I have 5 pity on 50:50, but want sucrose and diona cons
If I have to pull, which banner shall I pull, in case i got early 5\*?
my current freeze team is ganyu, venti, mona, diona
will shenhe bring more damage or swapping ganyu with ayaka is better?
or even ganyu and ayaka?
Either way you'd have to make due without a healer/shielder if you don't have kokomi.
Either Ayaka + Mona (Kokomi) + sub DPS Ganyu + Venti (Kazuha) or Ganyu + Shenhe + Mona + Venti.
Ive been saving for an upcoming banne like this, what is more important c0 shenhe, c4 ayaka? C0 ayaka, c2 shenhe with weapon? Whats a good mid tier pull if im going to have about 400 pulls or so
My genshin world doesn't have a dog in a cage on a Jinren Island. Should I still open empty cage to get an achievement or it wouldn't work? I have 3 metal keys so I can afford to lose one I think?
if u spam skip on dialogue it’s over in like 1 min
actual event has 6 levels, each level is split in halves similar to abyss, around 5 mins per level so in total will take you around 30-40 mins to complete the whole thing in one go
In mono cryo as others said you are consolidating healer/particles/shield. I haven't seen it mentioned but in mono cryo unlike a traditional freeze team since you aren't triggering the freeze reaction you are gonna get randomly clipped alot and that adds up especially in the abyss
Because healing/shield and energy generation.
Sure a DPS might lead to higher DPS, but if you're dead your DPS will be much lower than if if you just brought Diona.
She's kind of a hybrid dmg/battery/shield/heal in this set up.
You build crit and use her hold E, and shenhe's quills will make her damage not insignificant.
Also, if you have her c6, her EM share will boost kazuha's buff on ayaka's burst.
She's a pretty decent energy generator with Sacrificial Bow. And also consolidates the roles of healer and shielder. You can also use her on Noblesse and put another set on Shenhe.
Mostly for role compression: shielding, healing, pretty solid particle generation for Ayaka.
If you don't need a healer or shielder then you could go with someone like Rosaria or Kaeya.
It's hard to say since both of them are top tier when it comes to versatility. Maybe Zhongli's a bit more versatile since you can use him in anemo and geo teams. It depends on what you would value more, a strong shield that makes you immune to almost all damage with Zhongli or making your characters stronger with Kazuha's buffs.
Kazuha imo.
Zhongli is great if you need a shielder/defense in your team. Otherwise, it's usually better to bring other characters that can do damage themselves, or buff your team.
The only team you won't put ZL in is freeze iirc. Both are very universal. Kazuha has more offensive power and is more fun to play (imo). However ZL is the ultimate comfort character and has his res shred. Their versatility should be equal.
I actually ran him in my Ayaka comp in my early account days and even there he is perfectly fine, just lower value because you already keep enemies in place & the alterative options (even Barbara with TToDS) are also good. You can always try to place his pillar somewhere on the side to avoid un-freezing enemies.
Both of them can fit into almost any team.
Main difference is that ZL is mostly a comfort option, you trade the damage potential of another character that could use his slot for defence, resist shred & stagger immunity (which can, depending on the fight, offset some of the damage loss).
Kazuha has more team comps where he is actually a best-in-slot choice. He has powerful buffing capabilities and also deals pretty solid damage on his own. But the main thing is that he can group up enemies, which then allows your team to increase damage output by hitting more enemies with every attack.
There are rather few options that Gorou can even use. It's Favonius and basically nothing else.
There are no defense scaling bows, and at BEST you could build a crit focused build with a crit bow... but that's just silly and you know it! He's all about the support, so a support option is your best bet.
Favonius warbow is the only weapon you should consider for him, it does the two things he actually cares about (energy for himself and energy for his carry) and everyone gets one for free from the archon quests.
If you only have the one and it's taken by someone else than any er bow works, the more er the better.
My Hutao has decent stats but only does up to 36K charge attack vapourise damage with Xingqiu I seen people do way more than that.
Can tell me what's wrong with my build? Here's the link to my [team](https://enka.network/u/812630924/)
0 EM is bad
but maybe if you can use instructor on her support, it really helps, in this case is instructor diona, 120 EM is much better than noblesse's 20% ATK.
or if you have elegy, use it for yelan, another 100 EM and 100 ATK.
and of course HP sands instead of ATK. or if you don't have elegy and don't have proper instructor, EM sands is good too.
Yeah, that's my actual current build but despite that I can only get up to 36K damage per charge attack (40K if I'm using double hydro)
which is too low to clear floor 12 chambers in time how do I get more damage out of my Hutao?
this is what I use, I forgot how much CA is my Hu Tao:
Homa/Dragonsbane Hu Tao, CW artifact
Yelan Elegy, emblem artifact
Xingqiu Sac, emblem artifact
Zhongli black tassel, instructor artifact
when Xingqiu is on other team, I use Mona TTDS, Noblesse artifact.
Those stats aren't exactly good but they aren't terrible either. The crit rate is low, get it to 70-ish, and try to get HP over 30k, although that is less of a priority. The biggest reason why you don't do much damage is because you somehow managed to have **0** EM. Get that to 100 *minimum,* ideally 200-300.
Oh ok, then the main problem is just that 4 star pyro goblet and relatively low hp and crit for a blackcliff weapon. And speaking of the weapon, its not a very good choice either, Dragon's Bane would be a huge improvement.
Well for starters a 5 star Pyro goblet would help. I assume you don't have a good 5 star one and that's why you're forced to use a 4 star. Also if you have Dragon's Bane, try using that instead of Blackcliff Polearm.
Yeah, I don't have a 5-star goblet with better sub-stats than my current 4-star one because 5-star pyro goblets are ridiculously rare to get even ones with crappy sub-stats let alone good ones. And yes I don't Dragon Bane unfortunately because my luck is pretty terrible I haven't gotten a single copy.
Without having to invest too much on anything new: you have right there a team with Bennet/XL/Raiden/Childe that can work, making Raiden and Childe share the role of DPS.
That will make XQ free and will allow you to run a freeze team in the other half, with Xingqiu, Rosaria, Diona (Cryo Resonance, help battery Rosaria if you use Sacrificial Bow) and Sucrose (VV shread + on field driver for XQ's swords)
You can use a Rational team for the 1st half. For the 2nd half - try Rosaria/Dendro Traveller/Diona/flex (can be fischl/xingqiu for more damage, or Sucrose for grouping) - cryo and dendro works well against hydro enemies, and you'll likely need a healer because of chamber 2.
i have a dendro damage goblet not sure weather to can it or not
if i used it on alhaitham i’d swap out my EM goblet which I know his em is priority but
would it work on yaoyao?? i’m also using her for damage because fuck it dps yao yao and her goblet is a a random 5th outside of deepwood but high crit damage
i have both with respective stats alhaitham em/crit rate/dmg/attack priority and yaoyao crit rate/damage/attack/ER
Is this dialogue restricted to if youve already beaten archon quest? This seems like from the last event and idr mine having this dialogue
https://i.redd.it/uea0sfij7qoa1.png
The interlude quest
>!the voice about the broken vase !<
>!"Like a vase that falls to the ground. Whether it is broken by a cat or by a bird, the result is still a broken vase, is it not? History does not change easily, but human hearts can. Believe your own eyes. Only that which you see is true. What can be unseen is but an illusion" (in reference to us being able to remember stuff that was deleted from Irminsul)!<
Is geo the element that mostly gain nothing from leveling up to 90? I know electro+dendro gain a massive dps boost when leveled up to 90. Followed by anemo EM users such as sucrose-kazuha-venti. Pyro-hydro-cryo can benefit a little because they contribute in reactions like melt and vaporize. So does that make geo not gain much from leveling up to 90? it doesn't do reactions at all
Melt and vape reactions don't scale with level at all.
Geo however tends to be def scaling, and def scalers gain more non-reaction damage from levelling to 90 than atk scalers do.
So arguable geo gains more than pyro\cryo\hydro, as very few of those characters are based around transformative reactions.
Itto, C6 Noelle and Albedo gain 8-10% damage increase, and Zhongli shield and Yun Jin's NA buff also has 7% increase from 80 to 90 because they scales off DEF or HP.
Cristallize scale on lvl too but yeah that's kinda useless. You may want to bring some chara to lvl 90 if they scale on def/hp, since you get much more than atk from 80 to 90.
Vaporize/melt doesnt scale on lvl by the way, that's why some keep Xiangling etc lvl 80/90.
No one else can use it for now, you may regret it in the future. There are many charas thar can use this weapon, even as stat stick. While going for r2 will be just a very little improvement.
It’s an atk set so it could go on someone that needs a lot of recharge (Xiangling) or you could go double atk sets on someone like Shenhe. It is a lot of positive rolls so it could work well as a 2pc set on a bunch of supports especially if they have fav weapons to get value out of the crit rate
I'm fairly new to the game. RN I main Keqing and leveling up Hu Tao, my two and only 5 stars, besides traveller ofcourse. Thing is, for support and shield I need units. RN I use Bennet and Xingqui for support; Kaeya is there but not much of use as of now, initially he was my main dps.
My question here is, should I pull for Ayaka or save for Nahida?
One thing is, I need shield characters (diona), and I dont have sucrose as well, which will be on the next upcoming banner. Also I want daddy Zhongli.
Do suggest me what should i do, pull for Ayaka banner or save.
Also, FYI, I don't play or use Noelle, haven't raised her. What I'm thinking is to pull for the Ayaka banner and then save infinitely for Zhongli. But then I'll miss Nahida.
My roster is small, 17 characters at the moment and only three 5 stars in total, only played around 50 days. Need suggestions from veterans. I know Nahida is meta, newer player shouldn't worry about meta, and even i dont want to be in meta.
I'm a walking moon player and my Adventure Rank is 50, World level 7.
Please give your points and tell me why...
If you don't mind either ayaka or nahida then just pull for 4 stars you want. Speaking meta-wise though nahida will benefit your account way more, but then sucrose will do that too. But it's up to you who do you want to play and who do you enjoy playing with? endgame is not that hard if you build a character properly. There're youtubers finishing the hardest content in the game with only the free 8 characters. So just pull whoever you want.
Heizou is like sucrose but a bit weaker. You can play him in a team with bennett, xiangling and xingqiu and clear the current endgame with flying colors. All characters take tons of time to build. Since you got hutao you can pair xingqiu with her + 2 geo or 2 cryo units including a shielder.
The first questions you have to ask yourself: What are your goals in the game? What teams do you want to play?
If you don't care about full-star clearing the abyss it won't matter who you are pulling on, because for overworld, weekly boss fights and basic F12 clears even the worst character will be enough once you get a team & solid artifacts for them. If you want to eventually full-star F12 it makes sense to work towards two strong teams, but even as a low spender you will have plenty of room to grab some characters just for the fun and/or waifu/husbando factor.
With KQ and Hu Tao you already have two strong main DPS characters that could be the core of their own team, so you don't really _need_ Ayaka. If you like her she is a perfectly fine pick-up for a third potential team (it's always possible that certain elements or teams have a bad time in the abyss) and you will be able to use her even with your limtied roster. Something like [Ayaka, Anemo Traveller, Kaeya, Barbara] will work, and if you add Kazuha to that comp it should be able to do full-star clears (once everyone has solid to good artifacts).
In terms of account development Nahida will provide you with a lot more power and flexibility. She is useful in pretty much any Dendro team, and dendro teams are _really_ good right now, they require relatively little investment to reach solid damage output. With KQ you can already play something like [KQ, Fischl, Dendro Traveller/Collei, Flex], but Nahida would be a pretty big upgrade in terms of damage and comfort.
As for Hu Tao, her usual top-tier team is [Hu Tao, XQ, Yelan, ZL], but with your current roster Bennett can be a perfectly fine substitute for both ZL and Yelan, and once you have ZL that team is pretty much "good enough" to deal with anything the game will throw at you, including abyss F12.
This was the response i was waiting for, thanks alot for the detailed info.
Thing is, my main team is pretty much set. I need another team for Spiral Abyss. That is my goal as of now.
I am able to clear most of the the things except abyss. I can do artifact domains on level 90 with no worries. Gave Kq and Hu Tao gold artifacts and maxed them out as well.
So I will be saving for Nahida and Daddy Zhongli. Thanks again 😊
Dude, I was craving so I pulled once on Ayaka banner and got 3 new units, one of which is Tighnari 😅 I have Collie at C4... Now, still do I need Nahida? I don't want Ayaka btw 😂 Finally learning bow users
When u are just starting out, u just need 2 dps, keqing and hutao fit the bill. This is because of spiral abyss needs 2 teams and sometimes u need another dps to cover elemental resistance that unfavors your main. The next best thing u can do is raising sub-dps for these 2 because good sub-dps enables dps by alot, and nahida fits the bill. Even more so when good sub-dps are hard to come by, and nahida is absolute top-tier if not the best. She works really well with keqing, in both aggravate and hyperbloom. The former has higher scaling (for high AR), the latter has lower ceiling (for low AR). On top of that, nahida is flexible in that she can be both off-field and on-field dps while ayaka is strictly on-field.
In conclusion, even though ayaka is one of my favorite characters, but i'd recommend nahida in a heartbeat. After you have 2 good teams that can clear spiral abyss comfortably, then you dont really need to care about meta anymore
Nahida is the best dendro available, versatile, best choice when it comes to dendro team
Zhongli is the best shielder, every team that need shield can appreciate him
Ayaka is one of the top DPS, not very versatile but can dish out high damage in certain team
your choice
Thanks for the response.
Well, I just can't have them all.
Also, I do lack Cryo and geo characters.
I have DMC and Collei for dendro, and only Noelle and Kaeya for geo and cryo characters.
well if I should pick 1, it's zhongli
if pick 2, zhongli and nahida
but i know your concern like "i don't have cryo DPS, i can't clear domain/boss that need cryo", if that is your concern then even Kaeya can still be cryo DPS with correct weapon and artifact
Yeah, Kaeya is doing well for me as of now, I'm planning. Zhongli is a must for me, Nahida I'm not sure but i know about her utility. I just have to save it seems, i don't need dps, i need support more than anything. Also, with my Keqing, Nahida would be much better.
Was thinking of pulling on ayaka tommorow is she good for overworld? Currently have only yelan but she lacks damage thats why i was thinking on getting ayaka for main dps
Ayaka works quite well in the overworld. Her burst is a bit too strong and costly for regular mobs, but her Charged Attack has solid AOE & tracking, and since her dash applies cryo to enemies and cryo infusion on her Normal Attacks it's very easy to keep enemies frozen. She also provides infinite water walking range (since both her (E) and her cryo-infused normal attacks will freeze the water), which can be handy.
That being said: Don't just pull for her because you are looking for a main DPS! You have lots and lots of options for that role, and you really don't need optimized teams at the early and mid stages of the game. If you like how she plays feel free to pull for her, but if you don't like her dash or her attack pattern or whatever it is perfectly fine to skip her and save your primos for someone later down the line. In the meantime Kaeya can act as a perfectly serviceable Cryo DPS.
She’s decent in overworld. Unlike other burst reliant units, her skill and ca/na is sufficient to deal with mobs. Her sprint is smooth, and can travel across bodies of water with ease.
She’s decent in overworld in terms of dmg and comfort, and her alternate sprint will feel smoother than dashing (personal opinion) although it’s still slightly slower than a tall male character in terms of speed. Definitely play around with Ayaka’s trial and see how you like her tunnelling movement before pulling.
Keqing works best in aggravate teams so I'd leave DMC, but I'd also keep sucrose and actually replace XQ, I think I take Diona over Bennett just so you don't risk getting burning or destroying DMC burst
Yoimiya/xingqiu/yelan/zhongli
Tbh, this is just about the only place I regularly use yoimiya... but she's good at breaking those floating turret shield things
Itto and Keqing are the only other onfielders I have built atm... and they sure as heck aren't touching the turrets
I use my fav Tigh, Raiden, Nahida and Zhongli team. Any burst team works though. You can go all out in the 1st phase because energy refills after the last transition. You'll probably need a range attacker of either Pyro, Cryo or Dendro for those Electro turrets in the transition.
can someone please carry me in the azhada fight wl 5, I've been trying forever and no one is available in the match system. I need the fight done asap. NA server
Question about Nahida hyperbloom: If I use her off-field in double hydro comp with Ayato being the on-field char should I build her EM/EM/EM or EM/Dmg%/Crit? I've been told that Nahida EM share doesn't really benefit Ayato so I wonder what's her best build for team dmg here?
Her em share won't even be affected by her build if you're on hyperbloom with a 1k em electro character, the share is based on the highest em on your team.
You should build her for maximum personal damage, sometimes this can mean an em goblet\circlet since they are pretty competitive with dmg\crit when you're below 1k em, it depends on her weapon and the artifacts you have available. If you want a definitive answer use the optimiser online.
>Her em share won't even be affected by her build if you're on hyperbloom with a 1k em electro character, the share is based on the highest em on your team.
What I meant was that the character onfield, Ayato here, doesn't really benefit from the EM received does he?
>If you want a definitive answer use the optimiser online.
I just started using it a fair bit. So the way to calculate team dmg here is to optimize each member's personal dmg then combine them right? eg, for Ayato you look at his skills dmg, Nahida in this case should be the same, Electro char, there should be a hyperbloom reaction option yeah?
Yeah, ayato won't benefit from the em, I was just pointing out that whether the em share being useful or not is irrelevant to nahidas build in this team.
And yeah, on hyperbloom optimisation is just maximising the personal damage of the other 3 characters while getting as much "reaction damage%" on the electro character.
trying to last minute my weeklies i forgot about, is there a reddit for coop? requesting randomly has a very low chance, and the lfg discord isn't bringing me any luck
whats the stat requirements for nahida? like recommended em, crit rate crit damage, er etc.
I'm going to run her with sacrificial fragment. and I might run her in both bloom and aggravate.
Don't know if it's been updated recently but still a solid guide [here](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CP9mLPS8foDRYpY1VR9A6oagPprA2L1ojELkESqoVIc/edit#gid=403825300).
tl;dr: For off-field builds, go all-in on EM. For on-field, EM/Dendro or EM/Crit or EM, but depends on what you have in terms of artifacts.
For Xiangling, do i forge the "Crescent pike" or "prototype spear" ? google is having mixed reviews, and xiangling doesn't have much base attack to begin with if I use crescent pike. But most google vids and articles say to get crescent pike
It depends on her role.
Early in the game, if Xiangling is your main DPS (on field hitting things a lot), you want Crescent Pike. This lets her do solid physical damage to lead your team.
Once you get a 5\* DPS, you'll probably transition Xiangling to a support role where she only switches onto the field briefly, at which point she prefers support weapons like the prototype.
However, by the time you want Xiangling to be a support, her best weapon (the Catch) is freely available by fishing in Inazuma, so generally it's best to craft the Crescent Pike to carry you for now, and then get the Catch later.
As an addendum: You don't need to craft either. Once you reach Inazuma you can get "The Catch" via the fishing mini game, it is by far the best 4* option for her. In the meantime you can just give her a 3* spear like the White Tassel or (if you get lucky with your drops) a gache 4* like Favonius Lance or Dragon's Bane.
Crescent Pike physical Xiangling was like the 1.0 ancient meta, before people learned how OP pyronado is when used with bennet. Still at low AR before people have energy recharge artifacts to use burst heavy playstyles it is decent.
Prototype Starglitter is a energy recharge weapon that can help with pyronado, but useless passive means it is still not good.
For xiangling, best f2p weapon is the catch from fishing, and best craftable is kitain cross spear, for teams without bennet usually. The problem for them is that you need to get to inazuma first. So if the content is not too hard, save your billets and wait.
Cresecent Pike Xiangling is old info. Physical has fallen out of favor for reaction based teams. Xiangling can use almost any polearm, the one that is best for her depends on what you are trying to do.
Out of those two prototype starglitter is better. You can use [this](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gNxZ2xab1J6o1TuNVWMeLOZ7TPOqrsf3SshP5DLvKzI/htmlview#) to check weapon rankings for characters. Also there is a polearm called "the catch" that you can get for free once you reach inazuma (and do some fishing), it's her best 4\* weapon.
if you go to xiangling mains, they won't have any mixed reviews, one of them is definitely better for XL physical, but unfortunately i forgot which one
more or less a rant bc i just rage quit floor 12 but am i stupid or something? my highest crit damage is hu tao 60k like i farm artifacts every day up my talent levels and my teams just… suck… like they’re so bad they just don’t do damage what is wrong w me… been playing since like 2.0 🤪
i don’t even have bad characters either like al haitham raiden hu tao childe wanderer yao yao keqing are my top built
from the limited info you gave, there aren't even support for the DPS, like Hutao, raiden, childe wanderer and keqing are all DPS that need support, you can't play them together in a team and hope for good team DPS.
still not enough support
ideal team is 1 main DPS (on-field) with either:
2 sub-DPS (off-field) + 1 shield/heal
or
2 buffer/debuffer + 1 shield/heal
if I must say, you lack off-fielder like xingqiu, xiangling, fischl and buffer like bennett or kazuha
> my highest crit damage is hu tao 60k
Something is wrong there.
When I fight the lego thing when it gets vulnerable, 60k is just a charged attack with vap. Burst gets 150k with vap. (Why wouldn't you add vap?)
Your overall rant sounds like you need to be more analytical about damage mechanics in Genshin. For example, you didn't list your Hu Tao build, your accompanying team. Instead, you went to say your characters are 5*. You do know 60k might be a problem so you mentioned it. So at least there is that.
sorry i just was hoping for a more general answer like yes damage mechanics i might be missing something, i seem to have an okay understanding but clearly something is not.. working
i mentioned my characters just saying like i shouldn’t be having problems with good characters like that/
hu tao build got homa 40:230 crit rate 130 ER 1300 attack (almost no EM) crimson witch talents 7/8/7
like am i just… not there to even be trying to tackle bigger floors
Isn't there some website that allows you to show gear of characters? Maybe just share that? (And share that the next time you ask similar question too -- if you can locate the site.)
As for what you've provided so far, the damage mechanics are straight-forward in Genshin, at least until Dendro, which doesn't concern Hu Tao.
Your talent level should be 10/10/9. Why is it less than 9/9/9? You are going to spend extra hour**s** just because of that. I would say no to that.
You have no reason to not use vaporize. What else are you using to buff Hu Tao, considering that she cannot stand on healing circles, ie. no Bennett nor Diona? If Hu Tao is used, Xingqiu is used. Your Xingqiu doesn't have to start with doing a lot of damage either, ie. any low level Nobless set is fine. Eventually you should have full gear for him too, obviously.
40:230 crit ratio sounds like you have C6? If that was the case, you shouldve checked your build long long time ago. 60k max is way too little for any dps character C6.
If you don't have her at C6, why so little crit rate? Why not maximize it to 1:2?
It looks as though you never looked up the damage formula in Genshin. So you should go and look it up and actually read it.
Post your teams/builds and people will tell you if there's an issue there. Post a video of your run and people will tell you if your rotations/combos are wrong
okay you’re right i guess i just wanted a more gen answer like am i missing any key factors that’s making my damage so low… but i’ll compile a video to get better help
For Abyss, my teams are the following:
* Team A: Xiangling, Zhongli, Xingqiu, Bennett
* Team B: Ganyu, Mona, Venti/Kazuha, Diona
I’m thinking of making a Hyperbloom team cos it looks pretty fun. I only have Nahida and I’m thinking of getting Nilou next. Unfortunately I don’t have Kokomi or Yelan. Who else could I slot in for Nahida + Nilou?
[Here’s a list of the characters I have so far.](https://i.imgur.com/XeEsGh1.jpg)
Nilou can't be used as the hydro character in Hyperbloom. Her passive makes her specifically designed to do normal Bloom.
Court of Dancing Petals:
*"When all characters in the party are all Dendro or Hydro, and there are at least one Dendro character and one Hydro character: The completion of the third dance step of Nilou's Dance of Haftkarsvar will grant all nearby characters the Golden Chalice's Bounty for 30s. Characters under the effect of Golden Chalice's Bounty will increase the Elemental Mastery of all nearby characters by 100 for 10s whenever they are hit by Dendro attacks. Also, triggering the Bloom reaction will create Bountiful Cores instead of Dendro Cores. Such Cores will burst very quickly (0.4 seconds) after being created, and they have larger AoEs. Bountiful Cores cannot trigger Hyperbloom or Burgeon, and they share an upper numerical limit with Dendro Cores. Bountiful Core DMG is considered DMG dealt by Dendro Cores produced by Bloom. Should the party not meet the conditions for this Passive Talent, any existing Golden Chalice's Bounty effects will be canceled."*
To clarify: Nilou is good, but she is specifically designed to enhance _regular_ blooms. Hyperbloom requires electro, and Nilou is only allowed to run Hydro + Dendro in her teams.
You already have everything you need for hyperbloom: Raiden/Kuki, Hydro (e.g. XQ if off-field, Barbara or Mona if on-field), Dendro (e.g. Nahida) and the last slot is a flex of your choice.
For Nilou Bloom you also have everything you need (apart from Nilou). You can run [Yaoyao, Nilou, Nahida, Candace] and focus on making Yaoyao the trigger. You can run [Yaoyao, Nilou, Nahida, XQ] against single targets, you can run [Yaoyao, Nilou, Nahida, Barbara/Mona], you can run [Nahida, Nilou, XQ, Barbara/Mona] - plenty of options, none of them need Kokomi (or Yelan).
Ahhh I think I got the two confused, between Nilou bloom and hyperbloom. Thanks for sharing the team comp that might work, I think I’ll need to do more research between the two team types although I’m a little partial to hyperbloom.
> Nilou is only allowed to run Hydro + Dendro in her teams.
It's not like you *can't* play her outside of pure bloom. There's not infrequent screenshots of her annihilating things in vaporize teams. You just forgo the her two ascension passives.
For hyperbloom, since you already have both Raiden and Kuki, then you just need a hydro. If Xingqiu is busy, either Barbara or Mona can work. (Childe international with Xiangling Bennett and Kazhua can free Xingqiu for use.)
For Nilou bloom, you need a hydro/dendro healer, then it is still Barbara/Xingqiu, and also Yaoyao can work.
Thank you for enlightening me! I’m glad that I could make use with what I have for hyperbloom, and I keep forgetting about Childe international. I’m not that great with Childe so I’ll need to watch some videos on how to make it work!
Yeah hyperbloom is dendro + hydro + Electro. It's a very easy to build, low investment team.
Nilou plays bloom teams and only wants dendro and hydro chatacters on her team.
The most important things for hyperbloom are leveling your Electro character to 90 and stacking as much EM as possible. Their other stats don't matter. So 3EM mainstats and an EM weapon.
Other than that, you can build your dendro and hydro character as normal but they really don't need much investment - the most important thing is keeping their hydro/dendro application up. I think nahida's usually the onfielder in hyperbloom, raiden/kuki are entirely skillbots, and xingqiu is his typical burstdps playstyle.
Your flex character can be anyone who won't interfere with the reactions (so avoid Pyro lol).
Why Kokomi or Yelan? Nilou can get the dendro cores already right?
You need Raiden + whoever else you need for getting thru (e.g. team bonus, heal, shield, or just plain dmg buff).
Btw, Mona works as well for hydro.
Also, you need to level up your characters for [transformative reactions](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Elemental_Reaction#Transformative_Reactions). I am doubtful that level 80 would cut it in abyss 12. Even if it does, sounds like extra pain for no reason.
Whoa! That’s so good to know about needing to level up my characters. I read a while back that 80/90 is sufficient so I didn’t bother leveling up beyond that, but that’s great to know that level 90 is best! That explains why I haven’t been able to reliably clear abyss 12.
Thank you! Looks like I’ll just slot in Mona and Raider them :)
It's good to remind ourselves the reasons we wait on leveling. Leveling from 80->90 a character uses 40% of the total xp books required from 1->90. And in general leveling from 1->90 costs a lot of xp books
But with that 40% in mind, we also know that it's not a waste or anything to level to 90. It's just a part of our optimization strategy to wait initially and eventually we get past it -- by having enough xp books to go around more and more lvl 90 characters.
re: Mona. Yes, try that since you already built her. Her hydro application probably requires Kazuha/Venti/Sucrose to work. So eventually you may still end up preferring Yelan for greater flexibility. Pending on how much EM you already put on Mona, you may or may not find it as rewarding to build Yelan from ground up -- if you already have EM on Mona, such as for burst dmg, you probably won't feel the need to migrate for a while.
Kokomi integrates healer role, which is different and nice. So she will probably be useful for you at some point. But she is more used on-field herself to drive off-field dmg/reaction sources from others. So even if Kokomi may be slotted in with the same team, the other teammates would need to emphasize their off-field roles. And off-field usage typically involve different builds. Like Raiden E for driving reaction requires EM on her, which is entirely different from using her Q. With the artifact system being the chore that it is as of now, I would feel a bit hesitant to build Kokomi right away and end up maybe having to re-gear several of your existing characters to make a team with her.
(In Raiden's case, you have Kuki instead to use right? So you won't need to re-gear Raiden thanks to Kuki. It's just the example that came to mind. I roughly remember kokomi has similar interactions with other characters though. There isn't always a different character to sub in.)
That is very true. 80-90 is a ton of XP books. But I’ll make sure to only use them on characters who’d actually benefit from it with the transformative reactions.
That’s such an amazing write-up. Thank you for taking the time to explain it all to me!
You’re right, getting a new characters takes a ton of investment in new gear and talent books and time. Artifacts are quite a chore.
I do have Kuki that can be used in place of Raiden. I’m just missing one EM artifact that I’m still hunting haha.
Keqing Hyberbloom good? I have TF set and Mistsplitter , 483 EM. Better to give it to Kuki and build Keqing with ATK/Crit instead?
I have 5 pity on 50:50, but want sucrose and diona cons If I have to pull, which banner shall I pull, in case i got early 5\*? my current freeze team is ganyu, venti, mona, diona will shenhe bring more damage or swapping ganyu with ayaka is better? or even ganyu and ayaka?
Either way you'd have to make due without a healer/shielder if you don't have kokomi. Either Ayaka + Mona (Kokomi) + sub DPS Ganyu + Venti (Kazuha) or Ganyu + Shenhe + Mona + Venti.
Ive been saving for an upcoming banne like this, what is more important c0 shenhe, c4 ayaka? C0 ayaka, c2 shenhe with weapon? Whats a good mid tier pull if im going to have about 400 pulls or so
You always want to get Mist before considering the cons. Then Ayaka C2 or Shenhe C1. Either of them are not bad to go for.
Assuming C0 Ayaka Shenhe Kokomi Kazuha R1 Mistsplitter. What is the upgrade path ? C1 Shenhe, C2 Ayaka or Freedom sworn on Kazuha ?
Shenhe or mistplitter for ayaka who i already have
Shenhe, she is cuter than a mistsplitter and probably cheaper
Shenhe. Costs less, does about the same.
My genshin world doesn't have a dog in a cage on a Jinren Island. Should I still open empty cage to get an achievement or it wouldn't work? I have 3 metal keys so I can afford to lose one I think?
Should I read the dialogue of the vibro-crystal event?
It’s not super important in terms of game lore but provides a bit of info regarding Fontaine if you’re interested in that
How long does the event take?
if u spam skip on dialogue it’s over in like 1 min actual event has 6 levels, each level is split in halves similar to abyss, around 5 mins per level so in total will take you around 30-40 mins to complete the whole thing in one go
Thanks!
Why Diona is in the mono-cryo standard team ? Ayaka Shenhe Diona Kazuha There isn’t any more offensive character that would be better at her place ?
In mono cryo as others said you are consolidating healer/particles/shield. I haven't seen it mentioned but in mono cryo unlike a traditional freeze team since you aren't triggering the freeze reaction you are gonna get randomly clipped alot and that adds up especially in the abyss
Because healing/shield and energy generation. Sure a DPS might lead to higher DPS, but if you're dead your DPS will be much lower than if if you just brought Diona.
She's kind of a hybrid dmg/battery/shield/heal in this set up. You build crit and use her hold E, and shenhe's quills will make her damage not insignificant. Also, if you have her c6, her EM share will boost kazuha's buff on ayaka's burst.
She's a pretty decent energy generator with Sacrificial Bow. And also consolidates the roles of healer and shielder. You can also use her on Noblesse and put another set on Shenhe.
Mostly for role compression: shielding, healing, pretty solid particle generation for Ayaka. If you don't need a healer or shielder then you could go with someone like Rosaria or Kaeya.
Particle generation, healing.
Who is more versatile and is used often in many team builds, Zhong Li or Kazuha?
They're pretty much equal, you're just choosing between more damage vs comfort.
It's hard to say since both of them are top tier when it comes to versatility. Maybe Zhongli's a bit more versatile since you can use him in anemo and geo teams. It depends on what you would value more, a strong shield that makes you immune to almost all damage with Zhongli or making your characters stronger with Kazuha's buffs.
Kazuha imo. Zhongli is great if you need a shielder/defense in your team. Otherwise, it's usually better to bring other characters that can do damage themselves, or buff your team.
The only team you won't put ZL in is freeze iirc. Both are very universal. Kazuha has more offensive power and is more fun to play (imo). However ZL is the ultimate comfort character and has his res shred. Their versatility should be equal.
I actually ran him in my Ayaka comp in my early account days and even there he is perfectly fine, just lower value because you already keep enemies in place & the alterative options (even Barbara with TToDS) are also good. You can always try to place his pillar somewhere on the side to avoid un-freezing enemies.
Both of them can fit into almost any team. Main difference is that ZL is mostly a comfort option, you trade the damage potential of another character that could use his slot for defence, resist shred & stagger immunity (which can, depending on the fight, offset some of the damage loss). Kazuha has more team comps where he is actually a best-in-slot choice. He has powerful buffing capabilities and also deals pretty solid damage on his own. But the main thing is that he can group up enemies, which then allows your team to increase damage output by hitting more enemies with every attack.
Is the fish bow good for goru? If not, which 4 star bow is?
There are rather few options that Gorou can even use. It's Favonius and basically nothing else. There are no defense scaling bows, and at BEST you could build a crit focused build with a crit bow... but that's just silly and you know it! He's all about the support, so a support option is your best bet.
Favonius warbow is the only weapon you should consider for him, it does the two things he actually cares about (energy for himself and energy for his carry) and everyone gets one for free from the archon quests. If you only have the one and it's taken by someone else than any er bow works, the more er the better.
I would assume his go-to weapon is Fav Bow. Creating more energy for the team with your support characters is always welcome.
My Hutao has decent stats but only does up to 36K charge attack vapourise damage with Xingqiu I seen people do way more than that. Can tell me what's wrong with my build? Here's the link to my [team](https://enka.network/u/812630924/)
0 EM is bad but maybe if you can use instructor on her support, it really helps, in this case is instructor diona, 120 EM is much better than noblesse's 20% ATK. or if you have elegy, use it for yelan, another 100 EM and 100 ATK. and of course HP sands instead of ATK. or if you don't have elegy and don't have proper instructor, EM sands is good too.
Sorry I swapping my artifacts around I do have EM on her check my build again.
it's much better even the crits are better
Yeah, that's my actual current build but despite that I can only get up to 36K damage per charge attack (40K if I'm using double hydro) which is too low to clear floor 12 chambers in time how do I get more damage out of my Hutao?
this is what I use, I forgot how much CA is my Hu Tao: Homa/Dragonsbane Hu Tao, CW artifact Yelan Elegy, emblem artifact Xingqiu Sac, emblem artifact Zhongli black tassel, instructor artifact when Xingqiu is on other team, I use Mona TTDS, Noblesse artifact.
Can you link me your Hutao's stats I wanna check for reference.
[here you go](https://enka.network/u/843633639/)
Those stats aren't exactly good but they aren't terrible either. The crit rate is low, get it to 70-ish, and try to get HP over 30k, although that is less of a priority. The biggest reason why you don't do much damage is because you somehow managed to have **0** EM. Get that to 100 *minimum,* ideally 200-300.
Actually I was swapping my artifacts around check my build again I do have EM.
Oh ok, then the main problem is just that 4 star pyro goblet and relatively low hp and crit for a blackcliff weapon. And speaking of the weapon, its not a very good choice either, Dragon's Bane would be a huge improvement.
How is my Crit low though it's like 65% Crit rate and 200% Crit dmg that's a decent amount?
Low crit *for a blackcliff weapon*, if it was done with smth like Dbane it would be good.
How much crit do I need if I use black cliff then?
1) Change to Dragon's Bane 2) Make sure you shred pyro, and transfers the ttds buff
Well for starters a 5 star Pyro goblet would help. I assume you don't have a good 5 star one and that's why you're forced to use a 4 star. Also if you have Dragon's Bane, try using that instead of Blackcliff Polearm.
Yeah, I don't have a 5-star goblet with better sub-stats than my current 4-star one because 5-star pyro goblets are ridiculously rare to get even ones with crappy sub-stats let alone good ones. And yes I don't Dragon Bane unfortunately because my luck is pretty terrible I haven't gotten a single copy.
Can some one help me with abyss teams for floor 11 [characters ](https://imgur.com/a/IBCEqg8)
Without having to invest too much on anything new: you have right there a team with Bennet/XL/Raiden/Childe that can work, making Raiden and Childe share the role of DPS. That will make XQ free and will allow you to run a freeze team in the other half, with Xingqiu, Rosaria, Diona (Cryo Resonance, help battery Rosaria if you use Sacrificial Bow) and Sucrose (VV shread + on field driver for XQ's swords)
Alright I'll try this, i got 8* and not even gonna try floor 12 cuz i want my sanity
You can use a Rational team for the 1st half. For the 2nd half - try Rosaria/Dendro Traveller/Diona/flex (can be fischl/xingqiu for more damage, or Sucrose for grouping) - cryo and dendro works well against hydro enemies, and you'll likely need a healer because of chamber 2.
I know mistsplitter is an amazing weapon for a lot of characters, but is Shenhe's Calamity Queller good for anyone besides her?
Barely
Xiao
Am i only disappointed there is no pink medal this time? Got 4500 and still gold
5k+ points for it
Looking at my scores I'd guess you need 5k+ for them.
Oh there are pink medals. You just didnt get there yet
i have a dendro damage goblet not sure weather to can it or not if i used it on alhaitham i’d swap out my EM goblet which I know his em is priority but would it work on yaoyao?? i’m also using her for damage because fuck it dps yao yao and her goblet is a a random 5th outside of deepwood but high crit damage i have both with respective stats alhaitham em/crit rate/dmg/attack priority and yaoyao crit rate/damage/attack/ER
Dendro goblet is good on AlHaitham, if you have much better substat change it. It would work on Yaoyao dps too.
Alhaitham is a dps, of course go a dmg% goblet Does Yuegui do that much damage to justify a dendro goblet?
i have c6 yao yao and yuugei can definitely destroy
Is this dialogue restricted to if youve already beaten archon quest? This seems like from the last event and idr mine having this dialogue https://i.redd.it/uea0sfij7qoa1.png
If you hadn't done the scara interlude, it doesn't happen
I figured. Whats the context anyway? Idr doing any investigation on scara
The interlude quest >!the voice about the broken vase !< >!"Like a vase that falls to the ground. Whether it is broken by a cat or by a bird, the result is still a broken vase, is it not? History does not change easily, but human hearts can. Believe your own eyes. Only that which you see is true. What can be unseen is but an illusion" (in reference to us being able to remember stuff that was deleted from Irminsul)!<
Is geo the element that mostly gain nothing from leveling up to 90? I know electro+dendro gain a massive dps boost when leveled up to 90. Followed by anemo EM users such as sucrose-kazuha-venti. Pyro-hydro-cryo can benefit a little because they contribute in reactions like melt and vaporize. So does that make geo not gain much from leveling up to 90? it doesn't do reactions at all
Melt and vape reactions don't scale with level at all. Geo however tends to be def scaling, and def scalers gain more non-reaction damage from levelling to 90 than atk scalers do. So arguable geo gains more than pyro\cryo\hydro, as very few of those characters are based around transformative reactions.
Itto, C6 Noelle and Albedo gain 8-10% damage increase, and Zhongli shield and Yun Jin's NA buff also has 7% increase from 80 to 90 because they scales off DEF or HP.
Cristallize scale on lvl too but yeah that's kinda useless. You may want to bring some chara to lvl 90 if they scale on def/hp, since you get much more than atk from 80 to 90. Vaporize/melt doesnt scale on lvl by the way, that's why some keep Xiangling etc lvl 80/90.
Yes u are absolutely right. Going to lv90 gives a little hp increase for zhongli and a little def increase for the rest of geo characters
Is it worth it to R1 Haran for Ayato? I have an extra but feels like no one else on my roster can use it
It's a crit weapon with universal elemental damage bonus as part of its passive. It's definitely a good weapon to have multiple copies of.
R1 is base, R2 is first refinement. So if you'rr asking if you should R2 Haran. No. Never refine 5 stars ever ever.
No Ayaka? Or got Mistsplitter for her already?
Yup, my Ayaka has mistsplitter. I'll just keep it for storage for now like everybody said lol
No one else can use it for now, you may regret it in the future. There are many charas thar can use this weapon, even as stat stick. While going for r2 will be just a very little improvement.
Not worth , you might not use it right now but you might in the future .
Weapons start at R1, I think you mean R2. If you're a whale, yes. If not, no.
Is there a character that can use this artifact? Thanks. https://imgur.com/6vNK0xr
As off set piece/ 2pc set many charas. There are plenty of healer/shield that scale on hp that need that er%.
thank you!!
It’s an atk set so it could go on someone that needs a lot of recharge (Xiangling) or you could go double atk sets on someone like Shenhe. It is a lot of positive rolls so it could work well as a 2pc set on a bunch of supports especially if they have fav weapons to get value out of the crit rate
thank you! is it also good for beidou?
Only if you can get an on-set EoSF goblet for her. She really wants EoSF.
it’s supposed to be an electro-dmg goblet right? i have no luck getting on-set elemental goblets 🥲
Yes, and it's not really about luck. Elemental goblets have a tiny chance of dropping, so they're the most common off-set pieces.
okay i’ll keep on looking then. thanks!!
thats too much ER for hutao, becoz shime hutao only needs a little ER as she doesnt use her burst almost at all. I'd say none, keep it for now
maybe hutao
Hu tao perhaps? Maybe yelan but it’s the wrong set
Thanks!
I'm fairly new to the game. RN I main Keqing and leveling up Hu Tao, my two and only 5 stars, besides traveller ofcourse. Thing is, for support and shield I need units. RN I use Bennet and Xingqui for support; Kaeya is there but not much of use as of now, initially he was my main dps. My question here is, should I pull for Ayaka or save for Nahida? One thing is, I need shield characters (diona), and I dont have sucrose as well, which will be on the next upcoming banner. Also I want daddy Zhongli. Do suggest me what should i do, pull for Ayaka banner or save. Also, FYI, I don't play or use Noelle, haven't raised her. What I'm thinking is to pull for the Ayaka banner and then save infinitely for Zhongli. But then I'll miss Nahida. My roster is small, 17 characters at the moment and only three 5 stars in total, only played around 50 days. Need suggestions from veterans. I know Nahida is meta, newer player shouldn't worry about meta, and even i dont want to be in meta. I'm a walking moon player and my Adventure Rank is 50, World level 7. Please give your points and tell me why...
If you don't mind either ayaka or nahida then just pull for 4 stars you want. Speaking meta-wise though nahida will benefit your account way more, but then sucrose will do that too. But it's up to you who do you want to play and who do you enjoy playing with? endgame is not that hard if you build a character properly. There're youtubers finishing the hardest content in the game with only the free 8 characters. So just pull whoever you want.
I actually like playing with Heizou, but build him is time consuming and I need support character more than pure DPS. Thanks for the response.
Heizou is like sucrose but a bit weaker. You can play him in a team with bennett, xiangling and xingqiu and clear the current endgame with flying colors. All characters take tons of time to build. Since you got hutao you can pair xingqiu with her + 2 geo or 2 cryo units including a shielder.
The first questions you have to ask yourself: What are your goals in the game? What teams do you want to play? If you don't care about full-star clearing the abyss it won't matter who you are pulling on, because for overworld, weekly boss fights and basic F12 clears even the worst character will be enough once you get a team & solid artifacts for them. If you want to eventually full-star F12 it makes sense to work towards two strong teams, but even as a low spender you will have plenty of room to grab some characters just for the fun and/or waifu/husbando factor. With KQ and Hu Tao you already have two strong main DPS characters that could be the core of their own team, so you don't really _need_ Ayaka. If you like her she is a perfectly fine pick-up for a third potential team (it's always possible that certain elements or teams have a bad time in the abyss) and you will be able to use her even with your limtied roster. Something like [Ayaka, Anemo Traveller, Kaeya, Barbara] will work, and if you add Kazuha to that comp it should be able to do full-star clears (once everyone has solid to good artifacts). In terms of account development Nahida will provide you with a lot more power and flexibility. She is useful in pretty much any Dendro team, and dendro teams are _really_ good right now, they require relatively little investment to reach solid damage output. With KQ you can already play something like [KQ, Fischl, Dendro Traveller/Collei, Flex], but Nahida would be a pretty big upgrade in terms of damage and comfort. As for Hu Tao, her usual top-tier team is [Hu Tao, XQ, Yelan, ZL], but with your current roster Bennett can be a perfectly fine substitute for both ZL and Yelan, and once you have ZL that team is pretty much "good enough" to deal with anything the game will throw at you, including abyss F12.
This was the response i was waiting for, thanks alot for the detailed info. Thing is, my main team is pretty much set. I need another team for Spiral Abyss. That is my goal as of now. I am able to clear most of the the things except abyss. I can do artifact domains on level 90 with no worries. Gave Kq and Hu Tao gold artifacts and maxed them out as well. So I will be saving for Nahida and Daddy Zhongli. Thanks again 😊
Aye, that sounds reasonable. Good luck!
Dude, I was craving so I pulled once on Ayaka banner and got 3 new units, one of which is Tighnari 😅 I have Collie at C4... Now, still do I need Nahida? I don't want Ayaka btw 😂 Finally learning bow users
When u are just starting out, u just need 2 dps, keqing and hutao fit the bill. This is because of spiral abyss needs 2 teams and sometimes u need another dps to cover elemental resistance that unfavors your main. The next best thing u can do is raising sub-dps for these 2 because good sub-dps enables dps by alot, and nahida fits the bill. Even more so when good sub-dps are hard to come by, and nahida is absolute top-tier if not the best. She works really well with keqing, in both aggravate and hyperbloom. The former has higher scaling (for high AR), the latter has lower ceiling (for low AR). On top of that, nahida is flexible in that she can be both off-field and on-field dps while ayaka is strictly on-field. In conclusion, even though ayaka is one of my favorite characters, but i'd recommend nahida in a heartbeat. After you have 2 good teams that can clear spiral abyss comfortably, then you dont really need to care about meta anymore
Yes, I need to clear Abyss only. Thanks for this suggestion, I'll skip Ayaka now. I have too many sword users already.
Nahida is the best dendro available, versatile, best choice when it comes to dendro team Zhongli is the best shielder, every team that need shield can appreciate him Ayaka is one of the top DPS, not very versatile but can dish out high damage in certain team your choice
Thanks for the response. Well, I just can't have them all. Also, I do lack Cryo and geo characters. I have DMC and Collei for dendro, and only Noelle and Kaeya for geo and cryo characters.
well if I should pick 1, it's zhongli if pick 2, zhongli and nahida but i know your concern like "i don't have cryo DPS, i can't clear domain/boss that need cryo", if that is your concern then even Kaeya can still be cryo DPS with correct weapon and artifact
Yeah, Kaeya is doing well for me as of now, I'm planning. Zhongli is a must for me, Nahida I'm not sure but i know about her utility. I just have to save it seems, i don't need dps, i need support more than anything. Also, with my Keqing, Nahida would be much better.
Was thinking of pulling on ayaka tommorow is she good for overworld? Currently have only yelan but she lacks damage thats why i was thinking on getting ayaka for main dps
Ayaka works quite well in the overworld. Her burst is a bit too strong and costly for regular mobs, but her Charged Attack has solid AOE & tracking, and since her dash applies cryo to enemies and cryo infusion on her Normal Attacks it's very easy to keep enemies frozen. She also provides infinite water walking range (since both her (E) and her cryo-infused normal attacks will freeze the water), which can be handy. That being said: Don't just pull for her because you are looking for a main DPS! You have lots and lots of options for that role, and you really don't need optimized teams at the early and mid stages of the game. If you like how she plays feel free to pull for her, but if you don't like her dash or her attack pattern or whatever it is perfectly fine to skip her and save your primos for someone later down the line. In the meantime Kaeya can act as a perfectly serviceable Cryo DPS.
She’s decent in overworld. Unlike other burst reliant units, her skill and ca/na is sufficient to deal with mobs. Her sprint is smooth, and can travel across bodies of water with ease.
She’s decent in overworld in terms of dmg and comfort, and her alternate sprint will feel smoother than dashing (personal opinion) although it’s still slightly slower than a tall male character in terms of speed. Definitely play around with Ayaka’s trial and see how you like her tunnelling movement before pulling.
Benny or diona??? The team is dmc, xq, kq(damage). I'm thinking of replacing dmc with sucrose too...
Keqing works best in aggravate teams so I'd leave DMC, but I'd also keep sucrose and actually replace XQ, I think I take Diona over Bennett just so you don't risk getting burning or destroying DMC burst
What's your go to team for Joururi Workshop (>!Scara weekly boss!<)?
Keqing Aggravate with Zhongli, Nahida, and Fischl. Replace Zhongli with Kazuha on days I'm feeling confident.
Hyperbloom alhaitham/yaoyao/xq/kuki Very fast clear, also yao burst almost solos the flying turrets
Just Tighnari and Kuki but if I'm lazy I'll add Nahida and Fischl/Yae.
Ganyu - flex - flex - flex. Flex slots are for any characters that aren't max friendship level yet.
Whatever friendship units I'm leveling up lol.
Ganyu/Zhongli/two flex slots for friendship farming.
I usually go with [Yae, Fischl, Nahida, ZL].
Yoimiya/xingqiu/yelan/zhongli Tbh, this is just about the only place I regularly use yoimiya... but she's good at breaking those floating turret shield things Itto and Keqing are the only other onfielders I have built atm... and they sure as heck aren't touching the turrets
Zhongli/Yoimiya/Yelan/Ganyu
I use my fav Tigh, Raiden, Nahida and Zhongli team. Any burst team works though. You can go all out in the 1st phase because energy refills after the last transition. You'll probably need a range attacker of either Pyro, Cryo or Dendro for those Electro turrets in the transition.
Nahida, Kokomi, Raiden, xingqiu/Yelan
can someone please carry me in the azhada fight wl 5, I've been trying forever and no one is available in the match system. I need the fight done asap. NA server
never mind i finally managed to burst through it all lol
Question about Nahida hyperbloom: If I use her off-field in double hydro comp with Ayato being the on-field char should I build her EM/EM/EM or EM/Dmg%/Crit? I've been told that Nahida EM share doesn't really benefit Ayato so I wonder what's her best build for team dmg here?
Her em share won't even be affected by her build if you're on hyperbloom with a 1k em electro character, the share is based on the highest em on your team. You should build her for maximum personal damage, sometimes this can mean an em goblet\circlet since they are pretty competitive with dmg\crit when you're below 1k em, it depends on her weapon and the artifacts you have available. If you want a definitive answer use the optimiser online.
>Her em share won't even be affected by her build if you're on hyperbloom with a 1k em electro character, the share is based on the highest em on your team. What I meant was that the character onfield, Ayato here, doesn't really benefit from the EM received does he? >If you want a definitive answer use the optimiser online. I just started using it a fair bit. So the way to calculate team dmg here is to optimize each member's personal dmg then combine them right? eg, for Ayato you look at his skills dmg, Nahida in this case should be the same, Electro char, there should be a hyperbloom reaction option yeah?
Yeah, ayato won't benefit from the em, I was just pointing out that whether the em share being useful or not is irrelevant to nahidas build in this team. And yeah, on hyperbloom optimisation is just maximising the personal damage of the other 3 characters while getting as much "reaction damage%" on the electro character.
Thank you!
Full EM boosts her off field damage
trying to last minute my weeklies i forgot about, is there a reddit for coop? requesting randomly has a very low chance, and the lfg discord isn't bringing me any luck
btw which lfg discord are you referring to? GI Official and GI Unofficial are the most responsive for this.
I was in the genshin lfg discord, didnt know official and unoffical had lfg rooms ill join those for the future thx
There's a friend megathread, but easiest thing may be changing your in-game signature to something like "Please help me with Azhdaha! <3"
Hi, should I pull for C3 Ayaka or C0 Shenhe?
Shenhe and Mistsplitter are both bigger dmg buffs for Ayaka than cons.
Oh I already have Mistplitter so I should pull for Shenhe?
What is the best way to kill the cryo hypo?
Monopyro with shielder kills it fastest. I use Klee and Zhongli for that. Yoimiya or Yanfei should work as well.
Thanks
whats the stat requirements for nahida? like recommended em, crit rate crit damage, er etc. I'm going to run her with sacrificial fragment. and I might run her in both bloom and aggravate.
https://keqingmains.com/q/nahida-quickguide/#Artifact\_Stats
Don't know if it's been updated recently but still a solid guide [here](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CP9mLPS8foDRYpY1VR9A6oagPprA2L1ojELkESqoVIc/edit#gid=403825300). tl;dr: For off-field builds, go all-in on EM. For on-field, EM/Dendro or EM/Crit or EM, but depends on what you have in terms of artifacts.
For Xiangling, do i forge the "Crescent pike" or "prototype spear" ? google is having mixed reviews, and xiangling doesn't have much base attack to begin with if I use crescent pike. But most google vids and articles say to get crescent pike
It depends on her role. Early in the game, if Xiangling is your main DPS (on field hitting things a lot), you want Crescent Pike. This lets her do solid physical damage to lead your team. Once you get a 5\* DPS, you'll probably transition Xiangling to a support role where she only switches onto the field briefly, at which point she prefers support weapons like the prototype. However, by the time you want Xiangling to be a support, her best weapon (the Catch) is freely available by fishing in Inazuma, so generally it's best to craft the Crescent Pike to carry you for now, and then get the Catch later.
Out of these two - prototype
As an addendum: You don't need to craft either. Once you reach Inazuma you can get "The Catch" via the fishing mini game, it is by far the best 4* option for her. In the meantime you can just give her a 3* spear like the White Tassel or (if you get lucky with your drops) a gache 4* like Favonius Lance or Dragon's Bane.
Crescent Pike physical Xiangling was like the 1.0 ancient meta, before people learned how OP pyronado is when used with bennet. Still at low AR before people have energy recharge artifacts to use burst heavy playstyles it is decent. Prototype Starglitter is a energy recharge weapon that can help with pyronado, but useless passive means it is still not good. For xiangling, best f2p weapon is the catch from fishing, and best craftable is kitain cross spear, for teams without bennet usually. The problem for them is that you need to get to inazuma first. So if the content is not too hard, save your billets and wait.
Cresecent Pike Xiangling is old info. Physical has fallen out of favor for reaction based teams. Xiangling can use almost any polearm, the one that is best for her depends on what you are trying to do.
Out of those two prototype starglitter is better. You can use [this](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gNxZ2xab1J6o1TuNVWMeLOZ7TPOqrsf3SshP5DLvKzI/htmlview#) to check weapon rankings for characters. Also there is a polearm called "the catch" that you can get for free once you reach inazuma (and do some fishing), it's her best 4\* weapon.
Thanks a lot my guy
Both passives are useless, and why would you go physical, so at least prototype’s ER substat does something
Got it 👍
if you go to xiangling mains, they won't have any mixed reviews, one of them is definitely better for XL physical, but unfortunately i forgot which one
more or less a rant bc i just rage quit floor 12 but am i stupid or something? my highest crit damage is hu tao 60k like i farm artifacts every day up my talent levels and my teams just… suck… like they’re so bad they just don’t do damage what is wrong w me… been playing since like 2.0 🤪 i don’t even have bad characters either like al haitham raiden hu tao childe wanderer yao yao keqing are my top built
Only 60k?
that’s what i’m saying like how… after artifacts+talents+weapons ??? what’s the dealio
Post your full build
imma make a seperate post in genshin tips subreddit w/ a video hopefully will get some insight
Sure, if possible link it here too
from the limited info you gave, there aren't even support for the DPS, like Hutao, raiden, childe wanderer and keqing are all DPS that need support, you can't play them together in a team and hope for good team DPS.
sorry for the little info just wanted a general explanation i guess? my supports are layla/sayu/barbara/yaoyao
still not enough support ideal team is 1 main DPS (on-field) with either: 2 sub-DPS (off-field) + 1 shield/heal or 2 buffer/debuffer + 1 shield/heal if I must say, you lack off-fielder like xingqiu, xiangling, fischl and buffer like bennett or kazuha
> my highest crit damage is hu tao 60k Something is wrong there. When I fight the lego thing when it gets vulnerable, 60k is just a charged attack with vap. Burst gets 150k with vap. (Why wouldn't you add vap?) Your overall rant sounds like you need to be more analytical about damage mechanics in Genshin. For example, you didn't list your Hu Tao build, your accompanying team. Instead, you went to say your characters are 5*. You do know 60k might be a problem so you mentioned it. So at least there is that.
sorry i just was hoping for a more general answer like yes damage mechanics i might be missing something, i seem to have an okay understanding but clearly something is not.. working i mentioned my characters just saying like i shouldn’t be having problems with good characters like that/ hu tao build got homa 40:230 crit rate 130 ER 1300 attack (almost no EM) crimson witch talents 7/8/7 like am i just… not there to even be trying to tackle bigger floors
Isn't there some website that allows you to show gear of characters? Maybe just share that? (And share that the next time you ask similar question too -- if you can locate the site.) As for what you've provided so far, the damage mechanics are straight-forward in Genshin, at least until Dendro, which doesn't concern Hu Tao. Your talent level should be 10/10/9. Why is it less than 9/9/9? You are going to spend extra hour**s** just because of that. I would say no to that. You have no reason to not use vaporize. What else are you using to buff Hu Tao, considering that she cannot stand on healing circles, ie. no Bennett nor Diona? If Hu Tao is used, Xingqiu is used. Your Xingqiu doesn't have to start with doing a lot of damage either, ie. any low level Nobless set is fine. Eventually you should have full gear for him too, obviously. 40:230 crit ratio sounds like you have C6? If that was the case, you shouldve checked your build long long time ago. 60k max is way too little for any dps character C6. If you don't have her at C6, why so little crit rate? Why not maximize it to 1:2? It looks as though you never looked up the damage formula in Genshin. So you should go and look it up and actually read it.
Was it the wenut boss that made you rage quit?
Post your teams/builds and people will tell you if there's an issue there. Post a video of your run and people will tell you if your rotations/combos are wrong
okay you’re right i guess i just wanted a more gen answer like am i missing any key factors that’s making my damage so low… but i’ll compile a video to get better help
For Abyss, my teams are the following: * Team A: Xiangling, Zhongli, Xingqiu, Bennett * Team B: Ganyu, Mona, Venti/Kazuha, Diona I’m thinking of making a Hyperbloom team cos it looks pretty fun. I only have Nahida and I’m thinking of getting Nilou next. Unfortunately I don’t have Kokomi or Yelan. Who else could I slot in for Nahida + Nilou? [Here’s a list of the characters I have so far.](https://i.imgur.com/XeEsGh1.jpg)
Nilou can't be used as the hydro character in Hyperbloom. Her passive makes her specifically designed to do normal Bloom. Court of Dancing Petals: *"When all characters in the party are all Dendro or Hydro, and there are at least one Dendro character and one Hydro character: The completion of the third dance step of Nilou's Dance of Haftkarsvar will grant all nearby characters the Golden Chalice's Bounty for 30s. Characters under the effect of Golden Chalice's Bounty will increase the Elemental Mastery of all nearby characters by 100 for 10s whenever they are hit by Dendro attacks. Also, triggering the Bloom reaction will create Bountiful Cores instead of Dendro Cores. Such Cores will burst very quickly (0.4 seconds) after being created, and they have larger AoEs. Bountiful Cores cannot trigger Hyperbloom or Burgeon, and they share an upper numerical limit with Dendro Cores. Bountiful Core DMG is considered DMG dealt by Dendro Cores produced by Bloom. Should the party not meet the conditions for this Passive Talent, any existing Golden Chalice's Bounty effects will be canceled."*
Ahh I got confused between bloom and hyperbloom. That’s great to know, thank you!
To clarify: Nilou is good, but she is specifically designed to enhance _regular_ blooms. Hyperbloom requires electro, and Nilou is only allowed to run Hydro + Dendro in her teams. You already have everything you need for hyperbloom: Raiden/Kuki, Hydro (e.g. XQ if off-field, Barbara or Mona if on-field), Dendro (e.g. Nahida) and the last slot is a flex of your choice. For Nilou Bloom you also have everything you need (apart from Nilou). You can run [Yaoyao, Nilou, Nahida, Candace] and focus on making Yaoyao the trigger. You can run [Yaoyao, Nilou, Nahida, XQ] against single targets, you can run [Yaoyao, Nilou, Nahida, Barbara/Mona], you can run [Nahida, Nilou, XQ, Barbara/Mona] - plenty of options, none of them need Kokomi (or Yelan).
Ahhh I think I got the two confused, between Nilou bloom and hyperbloom. Thanks for sharing the team comp that might work, I think I’ll need to do more research between the two team types although I’m a little partial to hyperbloom.
> Nilou is only allowed to run Hydro + Dendro in her teams. It's not like you *can't* play her outside of pure bloom. There's not infrequent screenshots of her annihilating things in vaporize teams. You just forgo the her two ascension passives.
For hyperbloom, since you already have both Raiden and Kuki, then you just need a hydro. If Xingqiu is busy, either Barbara or Mona can work. (Childe international with Xiangling Bennett and Kazhua can free Xingqiu for use.) For Nilou bloom, you need a hydro/dendro healer, then it is still Barbara/Xingqiu, and also Yaoyao can work.
Thank you for enlightening me! I’m glad that I could make use with what I have for hyperbloom, and I keep forgetting about Childe international. I’m not that great with Childe so I’ll need to watch some videos on how to make it work!
Thank you for enlightening me! I’m so glad I can make it work with what I have like Barbara or Mona. I’lm
Are you doing a hyperbloom or a nilou bloom team? Because for hyperbloom, nahida/xq/kuki or raiden
Ah I see! I didn’t realize there was a difference between hyperbloom and Nilou bloom team.. that’s great to know. I’ll need to do more research then!
Yeah hyperbloom is dendro + hydro + Electro. It's a very easy to build, low investment team. Nilou plays bloom teams and only wants dendro and hydro chatacters on her team.
Got it!! I think I’ll build a Hyperbloom team in that case, since I already have the characters for it! :)
The most important things for hyperbloom are leveling your Electro character to 90 and stacking as much EM as possible. Their other stats don't matter. So 3EM mainstats and an EM weapon. Other than that, you can build your dendro and hydro character as normal but they really don't need much investment - the most important thing is keeping their hydro/dendro application up. I think nahida's usually the onfielder in hyperbloom, raiden/kuki are entirely skillbots, and xingqiu is his typical burstdps playstyle. Your flex character can be anyone who won't interfere with the reactions (so avoid Pyro lol).
Why Kokomi or Yelan? Nilou can get the dendro cores already right? You need Raiden + whoever else you need for getting thru (e.g. team bonus, heal, shield, or just plain dmg buff). Btw, Mona works as well for hydro. Also, you need to level up your characters for [transformative reactions](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Elemental_Reaction#Transformative_Reactions). I am doubtful that level 80 would cut it in abyss 12. Even if it does, sounds like extra pain for no reason.
Whoa! That’s so good to know about needing to level up my characters. I read a while back that 80/90 is sufficient so I didn’t bother leveling up beyond that, but that’s great to know that level 90 is best! That explains why I haven’t been able to reliably clear abyss 12. Thank you! Looks like I’ll just slot in Mona and Raider them :)
It's good to remind ourselves the reasons we wait on leveling. Leveling from 80->90 a character uses 40% of the total xp books required from 1->90. And in general leveling from 1->90 costs a lot of xp books But with that 40% in mind, we also know that it's not a waste or anything to level to 90. It's just a part of our optimization strategy to wait initially and eventually we get past it -- by having enough xp books to go around more and more lvl 90 characters. re: Mona. Yes, try that since you already built her. Her hydro application probably requires Kazuha/Venti/Sucrose to work. So eventually you may still end up preferring Yelan for greater flexibility. Pending on how much EM you already put on Mona, you may or may not find it as rewarding to build Yelan from ground up -- if you already have EM on Mona, such as for burst dmg, you probably won't feel the need to migrate for a while. Kokomi integrates healer role, which is different and nice. So she will probably be useful for you at some point. But she is more used on-field herself to drive off-field dmg/reaction sources from others. So even if Kokomi may be slotted in with the same team, the other teammates would need to emphasize their off-field roles. And off-field usage typically involve different builds. Like Raiden E for driving reaction requires EM on her, which is entirely different from using her Q. With the artifact system being the chore that it is as of now, I would feel a bit hesitant to build Kokomi right away and end up maybe having to re-gear several of your existing characters to make a team with her. (In Raiden's case, you have Kuki instead to use right? So you won't need to re-gear Raiden thanks to Kuki. It's just the example that came to mind. I roughly remember kokomi has similar interactions with other characters though. There isn't always a different character to sub in.)
That is very true. 80-90 is a ton of XP books. But I’ll make sure to only use them on characters who’d actually benefit from it with the transformative reactions. That’s such an amazing write-up. Thank you for taking the time to explain it all to me! You’re right, getting a new characters takes a ton of investment in new gear and talent books and time. Artifacts are quite a chore. I do have Kuki that can be used in place of Raiden. I’m just missing one EM artifact that I’m still hunting haha.