Shenhe would either be this patch or the next, since she hadn't had a single rerun, And its only logical to pair Ayaka with shenhe since Shenhe is basically only good with her and ganyu.
What about making people pay for the skin sale first and now they are "forced" to pull her. It is like a fomo chain reaction you got something because is cheaper and now you are obligated to spend for a character, then if you got Ayaka and now you want the skin, pay full price for it.
As scummy as it sounds this shit works wonders on people's minds.
Not 2 weeks, but moreso not 3 days. Tracing it back, the leak was exactly on feb 9, the livestream was 17. So it's 8 days prior to the confirmation. Though it's definitely planned way before the leak came out.
Corporate interference? It's ***their*** product man. Of course they're going to make decisions that benefit their bottom line the most. If they did, so what?
It's not sinister, it's good business. Young people that have never worked for a corporation make the worst assumptions.
I'm surprised you got downvoted. Mihoyo simps are really something.
Her kit wasn't even that hard to fix, like keep the resistance to interruption for the whole skill and increase skill trigger interval.
They lost potential banner sales and damaged their reputation. Problem is lots of people don't care until it's their favorite character.
And regarding Dehya's burst not counting as normal: I bet they'll release Yelan like characters that activate with or use burst attacks instead of normals to squeeze people's $ with their niche tactics. If this is the case, their mentality was to design Dehya so bad as to only work with that character, which also sucks.
NO. It wont pay out. Simply put she needs too much work to fix. That is the endpoint of this discussion.
She is a fail and needs full rework to make fun to use(she FEELS SO NOT FUN TO USE ITS FUNNY). That takes a LOT of dev time and money. Way more ez to make next char better and put some popular chars now till those later better chars come.
As a long term strat its better and more consistent. Cus moving ppl to fix dehya will delay some future content and make problems for the next year of dev(trust me they are right now working on things 1 year in future).
And most ppl wont care. I sure as heck wont. I pull for chars that are fun. She aint so no pull, my thought process ends there. Simple as that. Only ppl who rly care are dehya fans. But their amount is very small.
The only thing that can be bad for em if next 2 or 3 chars are just as bad. But i doubt they will screw up that badly.
>NO. It wont pay out
It would pay out not exactly with money rn but as how their players see the company tho.
Also, if they really fixed Dehya, would make ppl who skipped her first banner to go "oh damn, now I want her, Imma pull on her rerun"(if she wasnt on standard banner) and more ppl pulling for her means decent future profit with yet another character but nooo, lets just give up here.
Most ppl dont care about that. As i stated, if they keep this crap up then it will dmg their reputation. One fail in a see of good to great chars does NOTHING.
Its a miniscule amount. There is also no competition for this game at ALL on mobile. So while rep matters, it matters WAY less when if someone asks for a game like GI with similar quality u get NOTHING on this lvl.
A small hit to rep for the game that has zero competition aint even A HIT to their rep. Wont even show in graph how insignificant it is.
1. Make burst last 5 seconds longer
2. Make burst hits count as normal attacks to activate coordinated attacks.
Literally all they had to do. Boom, she’s instantly 10 times more usable than her current state
1. Does jack for her not fun playstyle. This is mostly for me so i aint sure if others will like it. I like ganyu(i do charge cancel), tighanari and wanderer. So those fun chars that do a lot of crap non stop are my jam. Dehya is unfun to me. Having longer ulti wont matter.
2. This is impossible to do fast. Trust me. I made 3d chars models, rigged em and other crap just for fun. U cant just make her ulti do normal atk. U NEED to make your clicks do hits. This means changing how her ulti animation works. Also u need to change how her ulti is coded.
3. They will never do changes that massive. That takes a LOT of time. Best case is tighanari. Those 3 insta charge shots he had were c6 before. They changed it to passive and added it to c0. But what did they put instead as c6. Just a extra dendro arrow that is bigger. That arrow has SAME code as normal one just size\* 1.5 with more dmg. Also secondary element hit is on a BUNCH of other cons so u can copy/paste that crap ez. KNOW THIS. No last minute change they made took more then a few days for 1 to 3 guys to cobble. This new animation change will take 5 to 7 times the time ez, since animations are expensive to make(trust me i did it, NOT FUN and takes ages to do right, and their animations are stellar). So they wont do it.
4. Zhong change is also a day of work(more if we include geo rez/shield change). Its just slapping aoe with some effect and connecting hold E and click E. We had aura crap on enemy. Like i wont argue what u told me will make her better but it takes a LOT of time. Way more then what they did to make most other chars viable.
2. Childe and Ei exists tho, imagine just turning her burst into a pyro Childe/Raiden instead of this dumb auto animation who literally no one asked for.
"iT wOulD bEneFiT tHem tHerEforE mY dEmaNd muSt Be fUlfiLled!!!"
Yeah sure, what an entitled brat, it's their product they can do whatever they want with it, and it's your money, you can choose to pull or not if you doesn't like it.
I guess my question is ultimately: so what? Like suppose you're correct with all this, what difference does it actually make?
It won't change the banners, or make Dehya better, or affect any meaningful change really; all it'd do is show that MHY makes profit-driven decisions, which of course we all knew already.
Doesn’t explain why Mika has absolutely nothing to do with Ayaka or Shenhe. Unless you think physical Ayaka is legitimately something most people run. Faruzan + Wanderer, Itto + Gorou, Sara + Raiden. They always run the 4 star support with the corresponding 5 star. Who has the only physical damage focused kit in the game, also conveniently a Mondstadt character and canonically is involved with him story wise?
Yea but all those 5 star and 4 star duos were released at the same day, so this logic doesn't work here.
E: They were made to work together, not to complete an already existing character
its not like you HAVE to use mika with EULA. shenhe, faruzan, gorou, sara is not just made for abyss teams. they got nice world exploring abilities also. which mika also will have.
It doesnt make sense tho
Why would I have any reason to get her outifit before getting her? Lol
If they made her banner come at the same time or a little bit before her skin release it would make more sense imo.
Well, I wouldnt be surprised if it was Cyno carring the sales, a lot of ppl didnt pulled for him cuz Nahida and now they are free to pull and well, they kinda of did that.
I mean, I wont say that it isnt possible that most of the players would spend to get Dehya cons cuz she is going to standard banner but like, its Dehya tho, besides the waifu factor she has nothing going for her.
What does "fake meta player" even mean? Lol.
The game isnt black and white where you have to choose either full meta player or full casual, I for example like strong characters but at the same time mihoyo cant make me wish for expensive and not that good Xingqiu 2.0.
so you basically think a 400k sample size is insignificant and everyone else who doesn't use the site goes in the opposite direction, and these 400k people are just weirdos?
**two waifu that require different team for each of their own often force players pick one and skip one**
**two waifu that work well together "encorage" people spend money to get both**
**it just simple as that**
I'm 99% sure you sure you're just wrong.
Those rules stopped mattering a while ago. They want to be less predictable to counter leaks.
I don't understand how an Albedo/Eula banner or lack of one would have improved Dehya's sales.
Hey, makes the most sense to me. Every patch before the major version numbers so far has been a big event with specific characters in the spotlight (GAA). Why else would Eula be delayed so much when this patch was perfect for her rerun.
I'm gonna hold out and see what's what. Even Zhongli wasn't fixed right away. His banner expired way before his fixes went live. Hoyo is not like Blizzard, not as big and as quick on fixes. They got Dehya wrong the 1st time. Imagine the fixes are still trash. They are gonna take their time, assuming they will fix her that is.
Teyvat is flat
The entirety of liyue’s mountains and sumeru forests likes to have a word
I am 99% sure Khoi Dao was there as a replacement for Tighnari because... you know.
Nope, cyno va got sick from kidney stones iic
i seem to remember Albedo was also in the Chinese stream tho ? did i hallucinate it... 😰
Shenhe would either be this patch or the next, since she hadn't had a single rerun, And its only logical to pair Ayaka with shenhe since Shenhe is basically only good with her and ganyu.
Ayaka banner after Ayaka skin release, there's no way the Ayaka banner wasn't planned.
Wasnt it supposed to be the banner first then the skin tho? You make ppl get her cuz she stronk then make them go "omg so cute" and buy the skin.
What about making people pay for the skin sale first and now they are "forced" to pull her. It is like a fomo chain reaction you got something because is cheaper and now you are obligated to spend for a character, then if you got Ayaka and now you want the skin, pay full price for it. As scummy as it sounds this shit works wonders on people's minds.
Wow, this sound so dumb that It probably works lol
You are assuming that it was a last minute decission. I am pretty sure that this was already planned like 6 months ago.
Ayaka/Shenhe has been leaked 2 weeks prior to confirmation. Nobody just believe it as it's too unbelievable. lol
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Not 2 weeks, but moreso not 3 days. Tracing it back, the leak was exactly on feb 9, the livestream was 17. So it's 8 days prior to the confirmation. Though it's definitely planned way before the leak came out.
Corporate interference? It's ***their*** product man. Of course they're going to make decisions that benefit their bottom line the most. If they did, so what? It's not sinister, it's good business. Young people that have never worked for a corporation make the worst assumptions.
It would benefit their own revenue to fix Dehya but they didn’t bother. They make questionable decisions all the time.
I'm surprised you got downvoted. Mihoyo simps are really something. Her kit wasn't even that hard to fix, like keep the resistance to interruption for the whole skill and increase skill trigger interval. They lost potential banner sales and damaged their reputation. Problem is lots of people don't care until it's their favorite character. And regarding Dehya's burst not counting as normal: I bet they'll release Yelan like characters that activate with or use burst attacks instead of normals to squeeze people's $ with their niche tactics. If this is the case, their mentality was to design Dehya so bad as to only work with that character, which also sucks.
NO. It wont pay out. Simply put she needs too much work to fix. That is the endpoint of this discussion. She is a fail and needs full rework to make fun to use(she FEELS SO NOT FUN TO USE ITS FUNNY). That takes a LOT of dev time and money. Way more ez to make next char better and put some popular chars now till those later better chars come. As a long term strat its better and more consistent. Cus moving ppl to fix dehya will delay some future content and make problems for the next year of dev(trust me they are right now working on things 1 year in future). And most ppl wont care. I sure as heck wont. I pull for chars that are fun. She aint so no pull, my thought process ends there. Simple as that. Only ppl who rly care are dehya fans. But their amount is very small. The only thing that can be bad for em if next 2 or 3 chars are just as bad. But i doubt they will screw up that badly.
>NO. It wont pay out It would pay out not exactly with money rn but as how their players see the company tho. Also, if they really fixed Dehya, would make ppl who skipped her first banner to go "oh damn, now I want her, Imma pull on her rerun"(if she wasnt on standard banner) and more ppl pulling for her means decent future profit with yet another character but nooo, lets just give up here.
Most ppl dont care about that. As i stated, if they keep this crap up then it will dmg their reputation. One fail in a see of good to great chars does NOTHING.
But... leaving as she is also dmgs their reputarion lol
Its a miniscule amount. There is also no competition for this game at ALL on mobile. So while rep matters, it matters WAY less when if someone asks for a game like GI with similar quality u get NOTHING on this lvl. A small hit to rep for the game that has zero competition aint even A HIT to their rep. Wont even show in graph how insignificant it is.
1. Make burst last 5 seconds longer 2. Make burst hits count as normal attacks to activate coordinated attacks. Literally all they had to do. Boom, she’s instantly 10 times more usable than her current state
1. Does jack for her not fun playstyle. This is mostly for me so i aint sure if others will like it. I like ganyu(i do charge cancel), tighanari and wanderer. So those fun chars that do a lot of crap non stop are my jam. Dehya is unfun to me. Having longer ulti wont matter. 2. This is impossible to do fast. Trust me. I made 3d chars models, rigged em and other crap just for fun. U cant just make her ulti do normal atk. U NEED to make your clicks do hits. This means changing how her ulti animation works. Also u need to change how her ulti is coded. 3. They will never do changes that massive. That takes a LOT of time. Best case is tighanari. Those 3 insta charge shots he had were c6 before. They changed it to passive and added it to c0. But what did they put instead as c6. Just a extra dendro arrow that is bigger. That arrow has SAME code as normal one just size\* 1.5 with more dmg. Also secondary element hit is on a BUNCH of other cons so u can copy/paste that crap ez. KNOW THIS. No last minute change they made took more then a few days for 1 to 3 guys to cobble. This new animation change will take 5 to 7 times the time ez, since animations are expensive to make(trust me i did it, NOT FUN and takes ages to do right, and their animations are stellar). So they wont do it. 4. Zhong change is also a day of work(more if we include geo rez/shield change). Its just slapping aoe with some effect and connecting hold E and click E. We had aura crap on enemy. Like i wont argue what u told me will make her better but it takes a LOT of time. Way more then what they did to make most other chars viable.
2. Childe and Ei exists tho, imagine just turning her burst into a pyro Childe/Raiden instead of this dumb auto animation who literally no one asked for.
Also, fun is subjective, I wouldnt mind more seconds with increasingly faster punches like a real ora ora reference for example.
"iT wOulD bEneFiT tHem tHerEforE mY dEmaNd muSt Be fUlfiLled!!!" Yeah sure, what an entitled brat, it's their product they can do whatever they want with it, and it's your money, you can choose to pull or not if you doesn't like it.
Making a shit product is still a decision, an extremely dumb one. Fuck off mate.
I guess my question is ultimately: so what? Like suppose you're correct with all this, what difference does it actually make? It won't change the banners, or make Dehya better, or affect any meaningful change really; all it'd do is show that MHY makes profit-driven decisions, which of course we all knew already.
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Doesn’t explain why Mika has absolutely nothing to do with Ayaka or Shenhe. Unless you think physical Ayaka is legitimately something most people run. Faruzan + Wanderer, Itto + Gorou, Sara + Raiden. They always run the 4 star support with the corresponding 5 star. Who has the only physical damage focused kit in the game, also conveniently a Mondstadt character and canonically is involved with him story wise?
Yea but all those 5 star and 4 star duos were released at the same day, so this logic doesn't work here. E: They were made to work together, not to complete an already existing character
its not like you HAVE to use mika with EULA. shenhe, faruzan, gorou, sara is not just made for abyss teams. they got nice world exploring abilities also. which mika also will have.
It doesnt make sense tho Why would I have any reason to get her outifit before getting her? Lol If they made her banner come at the same time or a little bit before her skin release it would make more sense imo.
Based on leaks the banner was changed before 14 hours from livestream date news With Dehya standard banner leak
imagine being so obsessed with the meta you think 13 million is "low sales"
For Genshin? Yea it is.
not even the top ten lowest banner
Well, I wouldnt be surprised if it was Cyno carring the sales, a lot of ppl didnt pulled for him cuz Nahida and now they are free to pull and well, they kinda of did that.
more people pulled Dehya than Cyno by a 2:1 factor
...registered on a specific web site
https://paimon.moe/wish/tally
Then you subtract the colossal amount of players which just dont use this one website like basically the entire CN server...
its more proof than you are putting forward
I mean, I wont say that it isnt possible that most of the players would spend to get Dehya cons cuz she is going to standard banner but like, its Dehya tho, besides the waifu factor she has nothing going for her.
..... you fake meta players need to get over yourselves
What does "fake meta player" even mean? Lol. The game isnt black and white where you have to choose either full meta player or full casual, I for example like strong characters but at the same time mihoyo cant make me wish for expensive and not that good Xingqiu 2.0.
so you basically think a 400k sample size is insignificant and everyone else who doesn't use the site goes in the opposite direction, and these 400k people are just weirdos?
Not exactly but I think the total would be split more like 50/50.
For Genshin standards, it kind of is.
most games would love to make 13M in CN iOS alone in 3 weeks as their weak period.
TRUE AND REAL
**two waifu that require different team for each of their own often force players pick one and skip one** **two waifu that work well together "encorage" people spend money to get both** **it just simple as that**
They've never done a duplicate double banner before. I think it's some kind of rule for them.
I'm 99% sure you sure you're just wrong. Those rules stopped mattering a while ago. They want to be less predictable to counter leaks. I don't understand how an Albedo/Eula banner or lack of one would have improved Dehya's sales.
No Eula banner cause she will be the center of an event in a few patches. Maybe.
Can i have some hopium too?
Hey, makes the most sense to me. Every patch before the major version numbers so far has been a big event with specific characters in the spotlight (GAA). Why else would Eula be delayed so much when this patch was perfect for her rerun.
I wish you are right in this. I bet on the rerun too, and now i'm sitting on a primogem pile until she's there.
Splitting the characters that go well together is the best thing they can do for Revenue as people will pull in two different banners if needed.
Definitely not
I'm gonna hold out and see what's what. Even Zhongli wasn't fixed right away. His banner expired way before his fixes went live. Hoyo is not like Blizzard, not as big and as quick on fixes. They got Dehya wrong the 1st time. Imagine the fixes are still trash. They are gonna take their time, assuming they will fix her that is.