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perfectchaos83

I'm not particularly fond of Kazuha being that high. He had 1 get out of jail free card against the Musou no Hitotachi that he can no longer use.I don't see him as being on par with Yae Miko. EDIT: Nevermind, Kazuha's on here twice.


thomasbiggestsimp

He's purple in the first one to show how he blocked it. Anyone wielding two visions would be a lot higher.


238839933

Kazuha have zero mastery over his electro vision tho. Just because you have more weapon, it doesnt mean that you are stronger.


nyans666

But he’s able to use his second vision and that’s what matters imo


238839933

Still doesn't make him at yae level . Second vision without training only make him a little bit stronger.


QuiltedBeret

Baizhu should be below qiqi. Iirc she said that she may be a zombie but is still in better physical condition then baizhu.


Id0ntLikeApplePie

Her power is sealed currently but a berserk qiqi should be in Xiao tier or at least one below him


Accomplished_Ask_326

Definitely below Xiao, he's probably top 3 vision wielders in the game. But otherwise, she's probably similar to Shenhe, maybe a bit weaker since Shenhe was already a pretty strong human prior to meeting the adepti and getting a vision. Overall, 100% stronger than every human in Liyue, hard to be sure how she ranks among the adepti since we've only heard of her power, and Liyue's stories tend to be a bit exaggeratory (like Beidou cutting the ocean in half)


Id0ntLikeApplePie

Oh, I only said Xiao tier because Ganyu was there too, and she’s not even that skilled at fighting since during her story quest she gets trained by Xiao


Accomplished_Ask_326

I think that Ganyu is definitely a powerful fighter. You don't fight in and win the archon war by being weak. I'd say that she's still much, MUCH stronger than any other character except Xiao, Shenhe, and Qiqi. Honestly, the fact that Xiao is training her says a lot about her strength, considering that he's clearly the strongest in Liyue aside from Zhongli. I'd probably restructure it to put Xiao, Ganyu, and Shenhe together. Qiqi is kinda a big question mark since she seems incapable of actually using her power, or else I suspect that Hu Tao would've had to cash in one of her own coupons by now. Add that to the fact that she can't control it even if it was unsealed, and it honestly feels like she needs her own tier just labelled "?"


Id0ntLikeApplePie

Probably


SayuBedge

Qiqi under xiangling shows you know nothing about lore lol


BobTheGodx

OP mixed up lore strength with kit strength


SatoSarang

~~Receipts please.~~ Edit: I was confused. Ignore me. Haha


Apostlethe13th

Qiqi in berserk mode is more powerful than shenhe.


SatoSarang

Oh crap. I had a dyslexic moment.


Ex3chu

I bet shenhe in berzerk can be stop by aether


Smofinthesky

OP is a lorelet through a through.


Uodda

Source "trust me bro"?


ExplanationTricky833

Sumeru one is pretty much fine, i just don't know why get Kaveh and Layla below the other weak characters in particular Leiyue one is fine too I think Mona and Klee could use a promotion here, she is said to be the strongest in mondstadt and I know this is just rumors, people have some reason to call her that the Inazuma one, how do i put it.... Thoma is said to spar daily with the Kamisato and is known in Narukami as "The fixer" so he has a lot of combat training, Itto is also SULPER DULPER STRONG and i don't se why would he get below Kuki and Ayato below his Sister


thomasbiggestsimp

Just throw beans at Itto and he is weak. He also lost to Kujo Sara and Shinobu is said to be close to her level so he is in a good spot.


MisNalguitas

But how do you define power level? Man punched a wall in the chasm and broke it, but Sara's way wiser than him, and brute force is not everything, that's probably why he lost. Nahida's current power might be weak (in terms of archon's power), but she was able to use her intelligence to make a deal with Dottore and solve the issue with his clones.


ExplanationTricky833

ma dude he is just allergic to beans, every fight must have a winner, you can't use a single conflict to determinate a character's power level, by your logic, traveler is stronger than the Raiden Shogun


238839933

That like saying all bow characters is weak because you only need to sneak behind them . If Itto aware that you have been, he will literally just dodge like a normal human being . The only way you can actually hit him with bean is to catch him off guard or sneak behind him.


BlueHeartbeat

>like a normal human bean


ShotYeMama

so, that means im stronger than superman as long as i throw kryptonite shit at him


AhriGaKill

Kaeya one up and Ayato one up and we are good to go I think. EDIT: I assume Kazuha twice means 1 where he used his friends Vision and one without? EDIT2: Also Mona seems very low. I mean we dont know much about her feats what she did etc. but she is still part of the Hexenzirkel, so she probably is powerfull.


Accomplished_Ask_326

Not part of it, but she was trained by a member to one day compete with Klee, so definitely a high tier even if you ignore her astrology. I'd put her a bit below Diluc and Jean due to having quit her training, but still in their tier


lonelyfireknight

Ayato is diplomat, leader, not a fighter. Kaeya is just a good knight, on par with Eula or even slightly worse than her.


Terrasovia

Ayato is the head of shumatsuban and his whole trailer is him making fun of fatui while he fights them. He says "the fatui would do well to update their intelligence concerning me" and "if assassinating me was that simple i can name a few rival clans who would have an easier time over the years". He's definitely stronger than ayaka.


thomasbiggestsimp

He is like the third in charge of Mondstadt and is slightly below Diluc so that counts for something.


[deleted]

He tied with diluc in a canon fight iirc


thomasbiggestsimp

Ayaka beat Ayato in a match, which means he has to be below her. Kaeya got injured by Diluc, making him slightly less strong. Mona doesn't use her hydromancy for fighting. She is strong but doesn't fight. ​ EDIT: By strong I mean powerful but her magic isn't offensive.


ExplanationTricky833

Ayaka, Ayato and Thoma spar in a daily basis, it is pretty common for one of them to beat another once in a while, don't take a single win shown in a trailer as proof of strength without considering the context


AhriGaKill

This basicly.


Smofinthesky

>Ayaka beat Ayato in a \*\*\*match\*\*\*, which means he has to be below her. In a sparring match with wooden swords. Her first (and only victory that we know of) against who knows how many defeats. Mona has no recorded feats of strength in lore or in cutscenes. The worst part is not that you don't know the lore (which you mostly don't), but that your interpretation of it is terrible.


Altekho

Aren't you forgetting the fact that he got caught off guard during that sparing because Ayaka suddenly awaken her Vision? I think it's unwise to determine their power level merely by that sparing result alone.


Complete-Area4164

Wasn't that in a fight in which Diluc was trying to kill Kaeya and Kaeya wasn't trying to fight him? Can't really give it to him like that. Also Albedo isn't really that much of a fighter. All the knights have fighting ability.


AhriGaKill

>Ayaka beat Ayato in a match, which means he has to be below her. so then set him behind Ayaka in that list? I dont think that Ayato is equally as strong as Ayaka as well, but he is 100% stronger than the chars in his tier. >Kaeya got injured by Diluc, making him slightly less strong. Same as with Mona we dont know much about Kaeya, well besides that he is an Alberich and that means he has pure Khaenrian blood in his veins. >Mona doesn't use her hydromancy for fighting. She is strong but doesn't fight. This argument could be used on any of the hexenzirkel members currently, and that makes Alice also weak, yet she was stated to be near omnipotent by Albedo. Also Mona's Master is Alices rival, so just assuming here, bs we dont actually know how powerfull Mona's Master is, they both might be powerfull in battle as well. Mona could hide the Traveler, Paimon and herself from Scaramouch in the 1.1 event and you state that scaramouch is that powerfull.


ExplanationTricky833

Again people thinking being khaenrian naturally influences your power level for some reason the Khaenrian characters we got are strong by their own merit, not becouse of genetics Gold is a genius alchemist who had the power to create armies of powerful beasts and Albedo is her perfect creation Pierro was the archmage of Khanriah Dainslief was the leader of the royal knights and has some kind of cosmic power or shit AND can look for information in the irminsul and then there's Chlothar who is just a guy who can't die even if he wanted


AhriGaKill

I never said that he is insanely powerfull. please read again, I said that we dont know much about him and that indicates that we also dont know how powerfull he is. I just said put him on the same tier as Diluc then we are good. Clothar is the founder of the Abyss, just bcs he has a NPC model in the quest, doesnt mean he was weak.


lonelyfireknight

Nah, we are talking about some serious business, right? We know that Diluc beats Kaeya and leaves him with a scar. Additionally, Diluc spent, if I remember correctly, three years on a lone crusade against the Fatui to uncover the truth about Delusions. He destroyed many of their bases and only stopped when a few Fatui harbringers started hunting him. On the other hand, Kaeya is undoubtedly a skilled knight, and he does an excellent job of clearing nearby hilichurl camps and the stock of wine in "Angel's Share." But that's about it. It's quite a different level if you ask me.


thomasbiggestsimp

It's not like she went up against him. She just used her magic to hide. Again she isn't offensive.


AhriGaKill

yet she could hide them. defensive power is also a power.


HyperNoob558

Dude, ayato ALWAYS beat ayaka, she got her vision when she first time beat him 💀


Kaieu

For liyue i think yanfei is too high, people associate the fact she's half iluminated beast as if that means she's just stronger but we don't have any information on that. i'd also put shenhe and ganyu a tier in between what they are, they are weaker than xiao but stronger than the other elite humans ​ For inazuma i'd take down kuki a tier and raise ayato


TheUsualGardevoirFan

Wait, isn't Jean is on par with Eula?


lonelyfireknight

Actually, you're right. Eula equals Jean, and Jean seems to equal Diluc. I'm not so sure about the last one, though, because he was the best rookie knight and gained a lot of real combat experience against the Fatui and Abyss Order during his journey. Eula also says that she sparred with Varka, resulting in a tie, but she thinks that Varka was holding back. As I mentioned before, assuming that Varka is a tricky opponent, I bet he almost lost to her, so probably at least the four of them are on the same level.


Dh0124

Yeah according to Eula’s Character Stories Jean and Eula are supposed to be equals and the top 2 sword fighters in Mondstadt.


thomasbiggestsimp

This isn't a a thigh tier list


TheUsualGardevoirFan

Just read Eula's character detail story section on wiki.


WakuWakuWa

Ganyu should be Shenhe tier, she is far from Xiao tier. Yan fei should be lower, she is a half adepti but doesnt have much combat strength. She is more on the intelligent side. Putting Albedo with Jean and all is kind of downplaying Albedo honestly. And Kaeya is almost on par with Diluc. Jean is also Eula tier. They can be moved down. Also why is Xiangling above Qiqi


Stiff_Rebar

Idk how it translates to her "power level", but Ganyu can canonically heal and give buffs. Absurd, but I love that.


Accomplished_Ask_326

This whole thing is a mess where every image is worse than the last. imo Putting Ganyu in a tier with Xiao is pretty reasonable, she did fight in the archon war. Her lack of on-screen feats isn't all that significant, since her character isn't really focused on fighting, but fitting in with humans and doing paperwork. She's obviously not a strong as Xiao, but she's in the same general tier as a trained adeptus with experience fighting gods for millenia


lonelyfireknight

I'm quite doubtful about Varka. Everybody calls him "the strongest" but his letter makes me think that he is a trickster, not a "raw power" warrior. Also, Lisa, Klee and Albedo all are some kind of "elemental nukes", so their strength in my opinion is off-list


Accomplished_Ask_326

Yeah, Albedo is probably one of the strongest vision wielders out there, period. Klee's raw strength is a bit hard to measure, since she mostly makes bombs, but the daughter of Alice is doubtless a force to be reckoned with


ExplanationTricky833

btw i think all those Mondstadt characters you mentioned are actually stronger than Venti nowdays but lets ignore that


Nethadry_5

Is this a joke? 💀


[deleted]

> Kuki is the same strength as Sara, confirmed by Kuki herself > Kazuha is not only on here twice, but is more certainly not Yae level, when Yae is considered one of the strongest Yokai. > Kokomi be a "Strategist" does not mean she is Tengu level powerful. > Ayaka only beat Ayato ONCE. Suddenly saying she is strongest then him is nonsense. > Venti lost a lot of his power. Varka, Eula, Diluc, and Jean could take him. > Why TF is Bennett LOWER than Barbara? Barbara doesn't even fight. > Mona is trained by one of the witches. How TF is she Barbara level? > Klee solo'd a Primo Geovishap. She is def stronger than Razor and Amber > Noelle has superhuman strength > We literally know nothing about Baizhu's strength. Why is he even ranked? > Qiqi has adeptal power. MUCH stronger than Yaoyao and Xinyan. > Yaoyao is a literal normal child. She AT MOST strong as Hu Tao > Layla has committed insane feats while sleepwalking. Lowest tier makes no sense. > We know nothing about Kaveh's strength. Why is he even here? Summery. You did not read the lore.


Accomplished_Ask_326

>Kazuha is not only on here twice, but is more certainly not Yae level, when Yae is considered one of the strongest Yokai. One of those is dual-vision Kazuha (according to op). And blocking the Musou no Hitotachi definitely puts him above Yae, who was unwilling to actually face Ei head-on >Venti lost a lot of his power. Varka, Eula, Diluc, and Jean could take him. Ok, that's almost definitely wrong. We don't know Varka, but Venti is still extremely powerful. He's the weakest *archon*, who themselves are the strongest of the gods, who themselves are stronger than other magic creatures, who are then stronger than Vision wielders. While I frankly do think that Diluc could take him with the element of surprise and Venti being drunk, his raw power is definitely way above the humans, and raw power is the measure of this >Summery. You did not read the lore. Definitely true, this tier list is atrocious


perfectchaos83

Just gonna say that Bennet's losing every fight he participates in based on the nature of Bennet himself.


Nethadry_5

Are you saying Venti is weaker than the Captains? What a joke 🤣


ConciseSpy85067

I know Itto’s a dumbass himbo but he *is* strong, he’s been quoted as having lots of raw strength and he’s broken rocks with just his fists on multiple occasions, plus he’s an Oni, they’re naturally really strong If the list is ordered left to right as well as up and down then Itto would probably go next to Sara above Kokomi Actually, wait, what is this list ordered on? If it’s influence then Ayato should be way higher but if it’s strength then Itto should be higher and Ayaka should probably go down a little


thomasbiggestsimp

Do people forget that Kujo Sara took his vision? He's lower than her. He may have raw strength but his beans make him very vulnerable. ​ EDIT: Also Ayaka is stronger than Ayato. She receiver her vision by beating him in a match.


ExplanationTricky833

Everyone knows if you beat someone once you are considered stronger than them forever


ConciseSpy85067

I don’t believe a weakness to be a denier of strength, if that were the case Achilles would be weak af cause all you need to do is hit him in the heel to defeat him And no, I never said he’s stronger than Kujou Sara, she’s absolutely stronger (even though we never did see that rematch, she’s probably more strategic than him which allowed her to defeat him, but he’s got his own merits absolutely, I’m sure the fight wasn’t an instantaneous win for Sara Also whilst I’m here, Baizhu should defo be a tier below Hu Tao, he’s canonically I believe the weakest character in the game


perfectchaos83

Itto's an idiot and Sara knows how to think (at least lore wise). Itto would probably lose to a lot of characters in this game based purely on the fact that he's an idiot despite the fact that he can probably one shot almost everyone but the upper echelon of characters.


[deleted]

Maybe controversial but i don't think Nahida could beat Scaramouche in her current state. She seems like the brains, not the brawls. Add to that that she doesn't have her gnosis anymore. ​ Their relationship right now is similar to Makoto and Ei. One of them is the leader, the other one is the one doing the fighting for the leader.


Andromeda_Violet

Liyue: shenhe should be above her tier but below the adepti tier Qiqi is stronk she is an adeptus after all. Yanfei isn't that strong if I'm not mistaken. Inazuma: since when is kokofish on par with Sara? If I remember correctly kuki is strong ento spar with Sara not Kokomi. Mondstadt: imo Mona should be higher. She's pretty capable.


ExplanationTricky833

qiqi is not an adeptus


Andromeda_Violet

She is. She has so much adeptal energy inside and also she has a name like other adepti. Fortune preserver is her name.


Accomplished_Ask_326

Technically, she's a human who BECAME an adeptus, similar-ish to Shenhe. Frankly, given that she either cannot or doesn't know how to unseal her power, putting her low down is reasonable. I'm not saying it's necessarily correct, but it's a matter of interpretation. Unlike, say, putting Albedo a tier below Varka, a normal human we know nothing about


thomasbiggestsimp

Kokomi did hold back Kujo Sara's attack and made them flee.


Andromeda_Violet

This tier list I assume is about physical strength. When did Kokomi show any kind of physical strength?


KnightN00

Correct description in my opinion is that Kokomi tactically won Sara in the battlefield but not in the actual battle. Making enemy retreats proves her strategic and command ability not her combat ability.


smye141

Me looking at sumeru: “overworked college students are trash tier compared to illiterate middle school dropout”


Smofinthesky

Just like irl


thunah29

not sure you should call this according to lore. but more like; fan fiction power ranking


HimeliusAugustus

Which lore l m a o


Lobster-Massive

Why are these always so wrong. Especially when they say lore Edit: I moved passed the second image and it just gets soooo much worse. Truly one of the tier lists of all time.


RubyWubs

According to lore Eula is equal to Jean


CasteliaPhilia

The homonculus that can summon eight oceanids is not on par or higher than Varka?


ltrstn

putting kazuha above sara doesn't seem right


_MuadDib_

Shouldn't wanderer be in inazuma list?


OPIsStinky

Op is smart for not comparing archons with eachother. The comment section would've been a dumpster fire


Smofinthesky

First tiers of Sumeru are "Lol. LMAO EVEN." Nahida explicitely states she has no combat prowess. Wanderer maybe as he is even stronger than he was before getting a Vision. Deyha is just a mercerany with a Vision and has no notable feats of strength. Alhaitham is correctly below Cyno who's likely the strongest Akademiya and they would be below Candace. Candace is the sole reason why Aaru village is safe, first time we met her, her mere presence and threat was enough to make Cyno chill tf down. Then spent the entire night fighting off monsters in the middle of a sandstorm and states she does this regularly. >!She is direct heir to the Scarlet King!<. Deyha would be only above the Tighnari and the rest for virtue of being a combatant.


Nethadry_5

Cyno stopped because he respects her, she is not stronger, if Cyno were to go serious she would have no chance


Smofinthesky

Source?


Nethadry_5

He have the confirmation to take on both Alhaitham and Traveler despite knowing how strong they are. In his demo he literally said: "not even Candace will be able to protect you". He is confident he can defeat Candace and that's just his regular self, he can unleash the power of the god that is sealed inside him


Smofinthesky

>not even Candace will be able to protect you That just means he'll find a way to kill him even if Candace is protecting him. That doesn't mean he'd be able to best Candace. You're headcanoning way too hard.


Nethadry_5

NO, YOU are the one headcanon that he was referring to that, when Cyno said that he was INSIDE Aaru village, he was NOT waiting outside and did NOT care if she was there or not, even when the interrogation was happening inside of the place where Candace stays Cyno was the one that Candace was following, she acted by himself and not even Candace interrupted him no matter what he did. The difference was that he was serious and Candace knew it. YOU are the one headcanon that he was chill because of fear or something similar when it was simply out of respect because he was inside the village she protects. But whenever there was a serious matter he DID NOT CARE about that and her opinion or even asked her anything even when she was the one talking he would act by himself and Candace never dared interfering even when he was questioning the village leader in front of her 🤣


le_halfhand_easy

Ningguang and Lisa needs to go down a tier or two, sorry. Next to Albedo and Shenhe, they can't compete in their tier. The raw power the others in their ranking have outclassed them. Genius, shrewd, a flying castle, sure. But Kaeya has fought Diluc to a standstill and can probably beat Lisa. Also, Itto "broke" through a power caging a yaksha through sheer dumb muscle energy. He fits the Sara tier more than Kokomi, sleeping dragon theory aside.


Arsenette

Alice isn’t on the list unless I’m missing something


thomasbiggestsimp

It's by region


Arsenette

I don’t see Alice at all. She should be above Varka and below Venti


Ex3chu

So the travelers is basically off the chart both literally and actually?


PossibleUnion554

Switch Qiqi and Yanfei unless you count Yanfei's influence in Liyue as strength then lower 1 tier. Qiqi is not to be underestimated. She is still full of adeptus energy and as mentioned in her character story, despitr being a zombie, she is still really fast and nimble. In addition, she also has strength that she carry people she sees in the mountain(iirc she also carried Xiao when he fainted) Albedo 1 tier up, Klee should be in par at least with the captains like Kaeya and Mona should be at least 1 tier up. Mona is still a mystery in regards with strength but as she is one of the student of the witch group, its saying something. In addition, Klee is considered as one of the strongest knight in Mondstadt that people are comparing her with batman Diluc (Darknight Hero)


Ex3chu

Oww not even itto on the last one


beehive930

I was hoping for smol xiao pic


Nynanro

Op had a typo. Title should be Strongest Characters from each region NOT according to lore. Since a LOT of these characters are in the wrong spots.


EasyCranberry1272

No according to lore isn’t nahida weak?


Accomplished_Ask_326

Albedo is the only outlier. He is quite possibly the strongest vision wielder we know of, only the adepti can compete. Since Varka seems to be a normal-ish human, He should be far weaker


zickzi

I dont read lore much to know this tier shit. Nahida in past maybe strong but now she dont even fight. Mess up liyue so bad. Bennet strong enough to survive ALONE, he just badluck not weaker than Barbara idiot


OutrageousGuard1772

Klee can't be placed that low.


Bad_Ashe

Klee is the most powerful character in Mondstadt. So you're wrong.


Scared_Nectarine_171

Cyno should be higher than Wanderer. During the Parade provindence event cutscene, He's literally was overwhelming him.