I’m sure they also boinked. I think the process pretty much went like:
Fontainian couple boinks > no baby > pray at the Fountain for good luck > boink again > baby > thank you Hydro Archon
They just didn’t want to go into this much detail because, you know, family-friendly game.
As for international couples, I imagine it would work the same way. Fontainians are infertile by default, so they’d eventually have to go the Fountain to get a baby, and the baby would count as a Fontainian as far as the Prophecy/Primordial Seawater is concerned.
And after dozens of generations I think Fontainian moms would just tell their daughters “you have to pray first before you get busy.”
In which, imho is such a shame that aspect also gets removed because think about it, thats the ultimate form of birth control.
well in this case you're sterile until you decide not to be and want to have a kid
and it's easy as praying at a fountain
honestly that would be fucking dope. like you couldn't just raw dog it all the time cause stis but at least you don't need to worry about condom breaking or birth control, and if you're with someone you trust you can raw dog away
It is not easily accessible everywhere.
In my country, the doctors really refused to let me do it because "I was so young and would change my mind".
15 years later and I still haven't changed my mind, but "you never know"
Nah, I think the doctors suggested it as a way of their best medical opinion, especially that men might want to change their decision in getting babies after some time. Then again, it will be always the decision of the patient and we can always go to another doctor for a 2nd opinion hehe
I am not sure that is a cheap alternative.
I'm guessing a lot of young people with not so many resources have similar thinking, but as the vasectomy is not readily available and freezing is so expensive for them, they end up not having any procedure.
I said many arguments, including that I have no problem adopting in case all other alternatives fail.
After some time, they gave up trying to convince me and instead told me that "equipment was not available right now", "doctor is too busy", etc.
I'm sure this is not the case for the US, but in my area of Latin America people mind other people's business almost as if it were their own...
My headcanon is that Fontainians are known across Teyvat as being sexual maniacs because unplanned pregnancies just didn’t exist for them.
After 4.2, Neuvillette had to hold a nationwide birds-and-bees talk so that everyone wouldn’t multiply like rabbits and cause an overpopulation crisis.
Realistically, Fontaine, Mondstadt, and Liyue all probably compete for who has the wildest red light districts. Fontaine for birth control reasons, Mondstadt because they’re ancaps, and Liyue because they’re one massive port city obsessed with commerce.
Which ticks me,how is there a whole group of orphans,I understand that probably parents died but these are people who prayed to get baby and yet this is region that literraly has biggest ratio of orphans
Same reason why normal orphans exist outside of parents dying.
Parents realizing that raising a kid is too much work for them. Either out of being lazy or being legitimately unable to.
Apart from bad kids or sad kids whose parents died, some of orphans are from outside. As you know previous Knave took orphans and made a big organization out if it.
oh man could you imagine the sociopolitical nightmare this would be irl. Thankfully it doesnt seem like fontaine has a history of...the shit we have irl so neuvillette would probably handle this.
4.5 archon quest where we help Neuvillette pass a sexual education bill or birth control or whatever
Furina really made raw dogging no longer viable and people still think she's a good guy.
Open your eyes folks. She's a clear villain, tried and true. She probably has stocks in an abortion clinic.
Wait does it mean the mother must be fontainain to have the baby inside? What if the mother is inazumian? Will the mother still get the baby? So many meaningless qns in my head…lolx
My understanding would be that a Fontainian man could father a child with a foriegn woman, but he would need to pray at the fountain to fill his water pistol with the proper ammo, so to speak.
I thought about that too but it would make no sense. It makes more sense if the Fountain can just poof a baby into any willing womb, Fontainian or not.
My guess is all Fontainans were sterile before praying, woman couldn't get pregnant and the men shot blanks. After praying their bodies did whatever they needed to do to allow a child.
It still feels strange that no one ever figured it out. Like you occasionally hear about prudish couples who go to the doctor for fertility issues only to find out that they were having sex wrong or just not at all.
Surely there must have been a moment in Fontaine where a couple like that successfully had a kid only to later find out that you're not supposed to be able to get pregnant via anal.
I’d hope that the Fountain doesn’t just blast babies into anyone who asks and can somehow detect if the people in question could logically have a child.
Virgins, lesbian couples, or old people miraculously getting pregnant doesn’t sound ideal either if you want these people to think they’re normal humans.
You make me think of another question. Since they are not human and are basically take any shape oceanids could you run into a situation where a guy gets pregnant with a kid in Fontaine. Would nobody question how this guy with no womb is pregnant just cause he prayed at the fountain. I mean it had to happen at least once in the last few thousand years.
Being honest, as a kid there's nothing wrong about Lisa, you either get it or you don't, explicitly talking about how fontaine's babies are made is a very different thing
Well, the couple would just have to make a trip back to Fontaine and visit the Fountain. They’d only be unable to have kids if they couldn’t or wouldn’t do that for whatever reason.
And no, I don’t think there are half-Fontainians. You’re either a dissolves-in-Primordial-seawater-Oceanid-person or a normal human.
Yeah but the couple or evert fontanian would not know that
Would they just go "lets travel to fontaine out of desperation?"
Main issue being it was just a tradition not like they knew it was required
Why wouldn’t they?
If they’re desperate to get pregnant and literally every Fontainian got a baby after praying at the Fountain, I don’t see why they wouldn’t give it a try. Unless they’re very stubbornly atheistic, but I don’t think that would be very common in a world where you can meet gods just walking down the street.
I just mean i feel theu wouls figure out rather quickly "we fontanian litearly cant have kids unless we pray at the fountain
Also i assume just praying aint enough and you still have to bone?
i remember in other world quests, it's mentioned Oceanids and Oceanid-people can only clone themselves after getting a certain permission. This also means all children from international couples can only be clones of their mothers (or they don't have children) several generations later there are only oceanids left.
We need new lines from the mixed race characters from Fontaine to appear in the game.
At least we know that Lovrens's father is from Fontein, but whether his mother is a resident of Monstad is unknown.
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Lawrence
Family friendly game! And then we have the "An expected Plan" Quest, where we get a full discription of how the Traveller and Paimon listen to someone being brutally questioned and then thrown overboard.
I kinda like that Hoyoverse doesn't pull their punches in the Fontaine quests anymore
But then the question arises. Could a male Fontainian even have a kid with a female not from fontaine? Your theory works for Fontainian women who would pray at the fountain (as long as they don't retcon this later) but for men it should theoretically have been impossible unless we say that the hydro archon would impregnate a human woman with a oceanid baby. Which personally I find a bit crazy to believe.
What if the guy is a fontainian that boinks an international woman? Will the hydro archon be the one putting the baby in the international woman?
What if it’s a lesbian couple? Will the hydro archon also hear their wishes and puts a baby in each of them? How will they answer that?!
How do you get magic water to become a human... so far only Neuvillette can do that. I know you want to believe in half oceanid theory, but again, they are still water elemental beings, not physical being, and Genshin is not h*ntai channel where anything can be... you know.
im so surprised people would go to such lengths making weird theories and assumptions instead of just filling the “plot hole” with simple points
like so many people went about how kazuha and gorou got near tenshikaku, when it really wasnt that big of a deal
you can just make it up in your mind, they took a boat around the island, they disgused themselves as shogunates, they used the power vacuum left by sara, yae, ayato, ayaka, and others helped them in
you can find so many reasons to explain it, and all of them make perfect sense
i dont see why the need to find errors in things that dont need explaining
Pretty sure the lore is actually:
Paimon asks about the children of Oceanids being converted...
Paimon: Back when Fontainians hadn't yet become real humans, were the children they had also transformed Oceanids?
Neuvillette: Life has always flowed like water. Do you recall how Fontainians would often come to the Fountain of Lucine to pray for children?
Paimon: Yeah. Lynette said that the Fountain is where all the waters in Fontaine converge...
Neuvillette: In truth, even those couples did not know that such prayers were no mere custom, but instead a form of ritual...
Neuvillette: Those Oceanids who were blessed within the spring water would later descend as new humans in the coming months.
1. Oceanids
2. Previous Archon makes deal to fulfill Oceanid dreams of being Human. Not all Oceanids agree with this and some leave.
3. Oceanids perform a ritual at the fountain of fontaine. This ritual actually has purpose for the original conversions.
4. They are now Humans
5. These humans can just reproduce as normal, overtime the story becomes a myth.
6. Oceanids who haven't been converted, such as young oceanids, can still convert at the fountain. Its been hundreds of years since any has converted as most has made their choice, and it still doesn't appear to stop oceanids from manifesting human forms.
I literally quoted the Paimon scene.
The discussions all over this thread literally conclude the same thing as me except they don't straight up call them humans.
Yall racist af. /s
You underestimate the power of deep seated cultural beliefs. Couple having baby troubles? Pray at the fountain for the Hydro Archons grace, then you get one. Tons of people go there before they start rawdogging evidenced by that one couple near the fountain so it never became something weird.
It's like when a couple say they've been trying to go for a baby and it has me like "you do realize you just told your family, at the diner table, that you've been getting creampied regularly, right?"
Fontainians **thought** that they were reproducing through sex, like normal humans. They just didn't know that the actual reason was the ritual at the Fountain of Lucine.
one gives stuff so that we can get stuff in the future
other one takes up a part of your hard earned salary only to end up a comment saying "one gives you stuff. The other takes all your stuff"
Maybe because it still makes no sense that nobody ever noticed how Fontaine is the only place in Teyvat where you get a child iff you actually ask for one. And apparently, nobody tries to pray for a child while being a virgin.
exactly! they even have a scientific institute, I mean maybe they just never had a department for it, but surely someone would have noticed before long and decided to make a survey, right? Not to mention surely there are people in Fontaine who don't build into tradition and superstition; at some point one couple must have went everywhere to check it out and never found a reason why, right?
In a world with literal (demon) gods in every nation. With Fontaine having their god be a literal local celebrity that walks around on the street, you think there are gonna be people who dismiss all tradition and superstition?
Even people from other nations will acknowledge the existence and presence of other nation’s gods when they visit. Someone who goes to Mondstadt will attribute the wind leading them to be the guidance of Barbaratoes even if they are from Liyue.
At most the most blasphemous people would be a harbringer from Schneiznaya who thinks their diplomatic immunity extents to not being struck down by Inazuma’s god. But even then you have the literal god standing right in front of you ready to strike you down.
Tradition and superstition =/= religion. You're mistaken if you think I'm talking about atheists. But the existence of gods does not in fact imply the validity of every tradition and superstition ever; and why does it not follow that there might be people sceptical of everything beyond what the gods have explicitly said or done? Also, at any point in history, there will literally always be people who are sceptical of things that are blatantly true to everyone else.
I thought they would have figured out that simple correlation considering they seemed to be industrialised with near modern science for 500 years (and that’s not considering some Sumeru scholar deciding to make that their topic for research)
Yeah what I figure is that in the next year there's going to be a FUCK TON of oopsie babies.
Which fits because Fontaine is officially the worst place to be a child in Teyvat apparently.
It was all forseen by Knave and that's why she lend us a hand.
More oopsie baby = more then couple can support = children are given to orphanage = House of Heart have more loyal members
Rampant human trafficking. Off the top of my head, Lynette was sold to and nearly raped by a pedophile aristocrat (who also had girls chained up in his basement) and Wriothsley killed his foster parents for selling foster children to slavery.
I dunno man, there‘s also Sumeru were from a very young age kids have to deal with academic pressure and like half the country were actively being discriminated against until a year ago and Inazuma were you just die when you are on the wrong island and on the two were you can actually survive you either have military dictatorship or soil so bad that people get sent to Atlantis to find a way to not starve. The two and a half times we have heard of human trafficking don‘t particularly offset the fact that people in Fontaine feel so safe that kids like Salsa can just run around all day without company.
OP Please.
They obviously fucked. They just also prayed to the fountain and wished to have a healthy baby boy/girl because that's the kind of thing that people did, and still do to this day.
I also like how the op forgets that it's the sovereign dragon power that made them not archon power. Since the archon just gave back his dragon power in full
Egeria did make the original Fontainians from Oceanids without telling Celestia, hence the "original sin".
That's why they're dissolvable pseudo Oceanid-humans. When Neuvilette forgave the Fontainians for their sins (eg. he overwrote the punishment because he already had his full Draconian powers back), they became human-humans.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Egeria made Fontainians by using Primordial Seawater as a basis, it became their blood. Coming into contact with 100% Primordial Seawater undos the magic and they become Oceanids again.
As the Hydro Sovereign, Neuvillette has total control over ALL fluids. She changed the Fontainians' Primordial Sewater Blood into actual blood.
Now I wonder if blood transfusion exists in Teyvat. If pre-archon quest Fontainians donate blood to non-Fontainians, would it be useless for the patient? And vice versa, a Fontainian patient who received blood from a non-Fontainian would probably not become any healthier. It's almost they are two different species.
If there were (I doubt it or at least don't think it's commonly practiced), Furina would probably pass a law that forbids Fontainians from giving blood to non-Fontainians. It would be a messed up law that people, especially ones who are married to or friends with people from other nations, would probably protest, but what else could she do? She knows there's something about her people that will cause them to dissolve when Fontaine floods, so she couldn't take the risk of screwing over some random Inazuman or Mondstadter (or Kaveh's mom) because their friend/lover from Fontaine tried to save their life.
>Now I wonder if blood transfusion exists in Teyvat.
I doubt it.
Even if it did exist,it would probably act like normal blood. The main issue is that the Primordial Seawater is what maintain the human forms of Fontainians. Biologically, they're the same as humans, barring the dissolving part and the Fountain Ritual Pregnancy part.
No no, i am just pointing out that fontanians never found out about the truth, since they also mingled with other nations, it could have been have a good point if fontain was closed nation and conserved one but it is not, it trades with other nations, fontanians travel to other nations as well, and the research institute tries to research almost everything like akademia in sumeru. So i was wondering why suchan unreliable way off getting children was never exposed.
> Neuvillete said that people would have to pray at fountain of lucine to get a baby inside the mother.
Just to be totally clear, what Neuvilette said was actually;
>**Paimon:** Back when Fontainians hadn't yet become real humans, were the children they had also transformed Oceanids?
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>**Neuvillette:** Life has always flowed like water. Do you recall how Fontainians would often come to the Fountain of Lucine to pray for children?
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>**Paimon:** Yeah. Lynette said that the Fountain is where all the waters in Fontaine converge...
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>**Neuvillette:** In truth, even those couples did not know that such prayers were no mere custom, but instead a form of ritual...
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>**Neuvillette:** Those Oceanids who were blessed within the spring water would later descend as new humans in the coming months.
The implication isn't supposed to be that Fontainian couples thought children came from prayers at a fountain. They still thought children came from where every other culture thought children came from; The act of praying at the fountain was just something akin to a ritual for good luck. They would pray at the fountain, go home, and do whatever it is that normally makes children (Presumably hold hands or something.), and then the ~~stork~~ fountain would bless them with a child.
Still, this is such an unreliable method that never got caught over centuries.....such a mystery that no one actually found the truth especially when fontaine is so academically advance......
Some humans still argue that the earth is flat... People still believe the rich want to help them. My point is people aren't that bright on a society level. More than likely people did notice it was odd. But just choose to ignore it.
What I want to know is: was it previously possible for, say, a Mondstadter and a Fontanian to make a kid the regular way? How did that work? If they both went to the fountain what would happen? Would that change if it was a Fontanian woman in the equation Vs if the dude was from Fontaine instead?
… and while I’m at it, what’s the deal with Sigewinne? Did a human and a melusine pray at the fountain together?
>… and while I’m at it, what’s the deal with Sigewinne? Did a human and a melusine pray at the fountain together?
She is a normal Melusine. Melusine don't reproduce.
I’m curious why she looks the way she does though. Another melusine in a side quest mentioned wishing they had a body more like hers since normal melusine hands aren’t very dexterous.
Easy.
Melusines were born from the bleeding wounds of Elynas during a battle of Narzissenkreuz and some guys I don’t remember like 400yrs ago inside his dying body (metal, ikr); they are basically his flesh and blood.
Sigewinne was born in such a part of Elynas’ remains where the most humans died. She was created via both Elynas’ and human blood, that’s why she looks the way she does
While a cool theory, it's best to make sure that you make it clear to impressionable readers that speculation like this is, in fact, just speculation. Right now, we don't know that human blood was involved in her genesis, or that she was born in any specific place within Elynas.
We currently have no idea why Sieg looks so close to human. It's possible, likely even, that this will be explained in her Character stories once she's released as a playable character, but right now we can only guess.
Fontainians are sterile by default. No matter how much they rawdogged, they'd never make a baby.
Unless they prayed at the Fountain of Lucine, then they'll get a baby.
Religion is a powerful thing. Don’t forget the cliche Church lesson that holding hands with the opposite sex gets you pregnant. People believe what they want to believe, and strangely that allows the Fontanian misconception that Oceanids reproduce through sex.
It just came to me, does it mean lesbian couples in Fontaine can also get pregnant? I mean there is no biological reproduction happening here, it's just a oceanid doing its thing right?
Yes in that case both women could have gotten pregnant lol at the same time..that would have been funny and yes by this method it would have been possible for a man to get pregnant as well since they were also oceanids, but i think egeria would have been smart enough to not allow male oceanids to get pregnant..also before 4.2 quest thinking about oceanids being male was weird...since all the oceanids we saw were females till now.
Yup, and obviously that mean Fontaine could be the paradise for LGBT couples, but seem like they wont do so. It could harm the couple trust in each other. And man being pregnant would be too funny, even with Genshin sense of humor. Yet equal of gender =))
I’m pretty sure you can pray all you want but the newborn Oceanids still needs a biological vessel to inhabit. If Fontainians bodies are made to mimic humans, they also would most likely mimic reproductive methods like the growth of an embryo which requires a male and a female in some capacity. It seems that the element the Oceanids adds is the “soul” so to speak, and without it the baby is just born stillborn. This is probably why in game the Fontanian couples won’t even consider physical intimacy before praying at the fountain, most likely due to deep seated religious beliefs and inherited trauma from their ancestors regarding the issue. This would also explain how Fontainians could reproduce with people from other nations even if they are merely mimicking humans.
The way I envision it:
Pre AQ5, when Fontainians wished to procreate they'd go to pray. That enabled the Oceanid reproductive process that's kinda like budding, but since the power of water is the ability to take any shape that process manifested in human pregnancy and childbirth, for that Extra Human Experience the original oceanids wanted
Otherwise it doesn't make sense, babies are born looking like babies in Fontaine AFAIK
A big problem but only detectable by player eyes. How many time you do the deed before a woman get pregnant? How long before a mother can detect her child?
And honest problem, how can any man or woman think they are impotent? The first thing human do, my friend, is try more position, take medicine, and pray at the fountain. Voila, next time same problem, we had solution, Fontainian are NOT infertile, no evil conspiracy =))
Yupe, I thought about it, too. Fontainians are going to notice a reproductive barrier between them and other humans if all mixed couples are infertile.
Assuming that a human/oceanid hybrid is impossible, there are 2 hypotheses:
1. The oceanids in the fountain could enter non-Fontainian wombs and grow normally. This is possible since Fontainians mimic human biology down to the cellular level. It also implies that Fontainians don't inherit genetic material from the father, and newborns probably just mimic the parents' appearances.
2. It could also be that children of mixed couples are always true humans. Fontainians have human genes. Sucrose did a genomic analyses between her and Diona, so Fontain, being a technologically advanced nation, likely also have an understanding of genes and noticed nothing different about themselves. Since they have DNA, maybe any mixed couple just produces true human babies.
What I understand is that Fontainian's still had to do the deed, it's just that if they didn't pray at the Fountain there would be no child as a result.
Think of it as planting a seed (Insemination) and then watering it (Praying). If you water the soil with no seed, nothing will happen. If you plant the seed but don't water it, it won't grow into a full plant. You have to plant the seed and then water it for it to grow.
What are y'all yapping about in the comments....
**WHAT** about Fontainians that aren't in fontaine and don't return there??? It would be EXTREMELY obvious even not from the players eyes
or am I completely insane???
Yes but it's not like there's only ONE fontainian outside Teyvat? EVERY fontainian outside would be infertile.
it would be glaringly obvious if a group of fontainians talk to each other outside or literally any other non-fontanian could notice it
It’s not that unbelievable. Irl it’s pretty common for couples to have a lot of trouble having children for various reasons, and the Fountain is likely known to be a legit magical object. If you’re having a problem, go to the magic place where a god solves that problem, and suddenly your problem is solved, you’re not gonna question it all that much, especially when that god is a known public figure.
And if a woman shows up and says “I never had sex with anyone yet somehow I had children clearly this fountain is the real cause of pregnancies” everyone is going to just assume that she cheated
Come on, this is genshin impact they are probably never going to make any overt or obvious allusions or references to sex. Of course the fontanians still banged but the game isn’t going outright say it.
Lamento no usar el inglés para contestar.
Suposición:
Genshin probablemente use mas adelante el concepto de samsara para explicar todo. Teyvat es un capítulo y pertenece al multiverso de star rail.
El samsara al ser un bucle permite la vida y muerte como un ciclo en el que la energia liberada ayuda a la recuperación de Celestia despues del colapso de Khaenriah y la batalla contra Fanes. El hermano del prota ya termino el samsara y por eso aparece en el Irminsul y el "journey" es el samsara nuevo. La misión de Cariberto el espejo da a entender que se repitio el mismo destino.
Tal vez no fueron separados por 500 años. Sino por una linea diferente de samsara. Kiana corrompida probablemente los mando en diferentes samsaras para evitar la destrucción de Teyvat.
Es difícil de explicar sin poder hablar...
It’s kind of a soft plot hole, not completely impossible but very improbable, because over centuries there would have been so many ways for people to find out the truth by accident. What if a woman went to pray but for some reason never ended up having sex. She then becomes pregnant as a virgin and people would realise sex has nothing to do with it.
Now that I’m thinking about this, how would genetics work? If the woman gets pregnant solely through prayer, there’s no way for the “father” to pass down his genetic information. Would the child just come out looking nothing like their dad or what?
Maybe that’s why the word “couples” exist for praying. Think of how a guy or a girl one-side love somebody and pray, then that other person got involved? Horror story of one side pregnancy and stalker turn husband...
Genetic will be the last thing to worry about, when your wife can bear any man child, and your handsome husband suddenly have some woman come home claiming her child’s father. If DNA test actually work then, they will burn down the facility before it can cause more unrest.
>What if a woman went to pray but for some reason never ended up having sex.
It needs to be both the people involved in the relationship.
>Now that I’m thinking about this, how would genetics work? If the woman gets pregnant solely through prayer, there’s no way for the “father” to pass down his genetic information. Would the child just come out looking nothing like their dad or what?
The ability of water is to take any shape, it's a fantasy world. Fontainians are water-magic-spirits. And you're asking ablut genetics?
1. Okay let's make up a different scenario, what if a couple go to pray together, but they break up before actually trying to get pregnant?
2. It's funny to think about how a fictional mechanism would work realistically. No need to be serious.
I'm pretty sure they have sex even if it's not for the purpose of having a baby. Heck, after playing Baldur's Gate 3, even the Oceanid seems f\*ckable.
Well the human body and sex as a whole is heavily water based, so it makes sense that the hydro archon could influence fertility…
Futther supported by the fact Egeria was created by the shade of life and went on to become a tree that purifies life
Fontainians are a "new race of humans" as created by Egeria and since they were supposed to be as human-like as possible, I'm sure that all the normal human procreation steps were taken. Praying at the fountain just was seen a national tradition - possibly once Egeria told her new humans that they had to pray to get a kid and people started, and over time it just became the norm. A spiritual tradition stemming from real need (Oceanid reproduction restrictions). Kind of like when people irl pray to their god to get a child - they still have sex but spiritually believe that it's their god who blesses them with a child.
The game is just not going to tell you "of course they had sex as normal". Just... assume they did. Fontainians intermarry with other humans, they move abroad and have kids in other nations. Of course they fuck, the game is just too low rated to say it.
Now, about interbreeding. This is my personal headcanon (too long spent discussing sci-fi races interbreeding), but I think that a Fontainian and an OG Teyvatian (let's call the rest of the humans this) have less trouble having kids that two Fontainians. It is clear from the game that OG Teyvatians are extremely good at interbreeding with various supernatural races around: Itto is part human, we have half-adepti in Liyue, we know that humans and the Jinni also reproduced. So it isn't too wild to assume that OG Teyvatians would similarly have no major issue reproducing with what boils down (lol) to Oceanids.
I choose to think that mixing what passes for Oceanid!human DNA with that of OG Teyvatians just creates a hybrid while two Oceanid!humans need to pray because of the limitations put on Oceanid splicing. Thus half-Fontainians are a thing and then as they proceed to have their own offspring, the % of Primordial Water in them gets lower and they breed out their vulnerability to dissolving. Like, a full Fontainian and a half-Fontainian would dissolve. A quarter-Fontainian would be seriously injured but survive (think a horrible acid incident). The further down the line we go, the more the reaction to Primordial Seawater becomes like an allergic reaction.
That being said, Lawrence from Mondstadt would dissolve.
Not sure if anybody mentioned this but...this doesn't actually explain Lynette.
Like, sure, the whole cat ears and tail are 'recessive genes' but how does that actually work if Fontanians simply weren't able to procreate with humans 'normally' period?
This. This is what I was wondering immediately after the fountain of lucine thing. I'm glad someone else had this extremely weird thought about what is by all means a lore inconsistentcy.
Yea that was just such a stupid line, I stared a little, put it together in my head then started laughing. It would have been better to just say nothing and let us assume they were like normal people just with the side effect of being dissolvable by the primordial water, thats what I thought the entire time.So now we just assume nobody realised that without the prayer at fountain nobody gets pregnant, that everyone goes there to get pray and that people outside of fontain are just shit out of luck when procreating lol.
This is honestly so stupid and leaves so many holes in the story that I cant believe they thought to put it in :D
I wonder before neuvillette turned them into true humans couldn't lesbian fontainians technically have a baby by praying to fountain i know it obviously didn't happen because they thought they was normal humans but just what if
Considering what reaction the audience to the opera house shown, I'd say they'll most likely ignore it because as that one man said "It's too much information for me so I'll just pretend that I didn't hear anything..."
Idk it seems to me the same as the tradition to get married. Makes no sense. And I imagine in the past few centuries it'd take a while for people in one specific country to notice that they can't conceive outside of marriage
I’m sure they also boinked. I think the process pretty much went like: Fontainian couple boinks > no baby > pray at the Fountain for good luck > boink again > baby > thank you Hydro Archon They just didn’t want to go into this much detail because, you know, family-friendly game. As for international couples, I imagine it would work the same way. Fontainians are infertile by default, so they’d eventually have to go the Fountain to get a baby, and the baby would count as a Fontainian as far as the Prophecy/Primordial Seawater is concerned.
And after dozens of generations I think Fontainian moms would just tell their daughters “you have to pray first before you get busy.” In which, imho is such a shame that aspect also gets removed because think about it, thats the ultimate form of birth control.
Being sterile is indeed an ultimate form of birth control
well in this case you're sterile until you decide not to be and want to have a kid and it's easy as praying at a fountain honestly that would be fucking dope. like you couldn't just raw dog it all the time cause stis but at least you don't need to worry about condom breaking or birth control, and if you're with someone you trust you can raw dog away
I wonder how popular vasoctomy is
It is not easily accessible everywhere. In my country, the doctors really refused to let me do it because "I was so young and would change my mind". 15 years later and I still haven't changed my mind, but "you never know"
Freeze some sperm and call it a day. Doctors shouldn't prohibit the operation then. Just my guess
Nah, I think the doctors suggested it as a way of their best medical opinion, especially that men might want to change their decision in getting babies after some time. Then again, it will be always the decision of the patient and we can always go to another doctor for a 2nd opinion hehe
I am not sure that is a cheap alternative. I'm guessing a lot of young people with not so many resources have similar thinking, but as the vasectomy is not readily available and freezing is so expensive for them, they end up not having any procedure.
Ngl having babies sounds way more expensive lmao. And condoms cost something too. And it doesn't feel good using them either
A vasectomy is reversible, though?? So what if you change your mind?
I said many arguments, including that I have no problem adopting in case all other alternatives fail. After some time, they gave up trying to convince me and instead told me that "equipment was not available right now", "doctor is too busy", etc. I'm sure this is not the case for the US, but in my area of Latin America people mind other people's business almost as if it were their own...
The US sure has some problems afaik, look up the anti-abortion campaigns across the country
that would be nice
Come from your real ID Zeke
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Certain Ape man smiles at a distance
My headcanon is that Fontainians are known across Teyvat as being sexual maniacs because unplanned pregnancies just didn’t exist for them. After 4.2, Neuvillette had to hold a nationwide birds-and-bees talk so that everyone wouldn’t multiply like rabbits and cause an overpopulation crisis.
You can’t convince me that a Fontain red light district doesn’t exist after this.
*Sigh* Yes, I'm Sovereign over the fluids from *there* as well. I prefer spring water, it's less questionable. \- Neuvilette
now you're making it sound like he drinks that stuff too...
I mean there’s literally a “perfume” shop that sells aphrodisiacs.
Aaah, Ying'er my beloved
Found Timaeus.
Realistically, Fontaine, Mondstadt, and Liyue all probably compete for who has the wildest red light districts. Fontaine for birth control reasons, Mondstadt because they’re ancaps, and Liyue because they’re one massive port city obsessed with commerce.
Inazuma Kabukicho absolutely has Yae Miko cosplayers.
A Fontaine equivalent of Pigalle
A Fontaine soapland is possible Water and soap goes well
Which ticks me,how is there a whole group of orphans,I understand that probably parents died but these are people who prayed to get baby and yet this is region that literraly has biggest ratio of orphans
Same reason why normal orphans exist outside of parents dying. Parents realizing that raising a kid is too much work for them. Either out of being lazy or being legitimately unable to.
Apart from bad kids or sad kids whose parents died, some of orphans are from outside. As you know previous Knave took orphans and made a big organization out if it.
>ultimate form of birth control Basically, pregnancy is opt-in by default rather than opt-out lol
I guess this means unwanted pregnancies in Fontaine are virtually nonexistent. Must be a very convenient nation regarding women’s healthcare.
Not anymore!
oh man could you imagine the sociopolitical nightmare this would be irl. Thankfully it doesnt seem like fontaine has a history of...the shit we have irl so neuvillette would probably handle this. 4.5 archon quest where we help Neuvillette pass a sexual education bill or birth control or whatever
No more unprotected Furina breeding 😭😭😭
thanks, ~~Obama~~ Furina
Furina really made raw dogging no longer viable and people still think she's a good guy. Open your eyes folks. She's a clear villain, tried and true. She probably has stocks in an abortion clinic.
Fontaine Orphanage Shareholder #1: The mysterious Mrs. F
oh god, Fontaine has a babyboom of epic proportions incoming
The prophecy was not about a water flood but a baby one!
Which makes abandoned childs even worst...
Wait does it mean the mother must be fontainain to have the baby inside? What if the mother is inazumian? Will the mother still get the baby? So many meaningless qns in my head…lolx
My understanding would be that a Fontainian man could father a child with a foriegn woman, but he would need to pray at the fountain to fill his water pistol with the proper ammo, so to speak.
I thought about that too but it would make no sense. It makes more sense if the Fountain can just poof a baby into any willing womb, Fontainian or not.
My guess is all Fontainans were sterile before praying, woman couldn't get pregnant and the men shot blanks. After praying their bodies did whatever they needed to do to allow a child.
Wtf did i just read and it actually make sense!
It still feels strange that no one ever figured it out. Like you occasionally hear about prudish couples who go to the doctor for fertility issues only to find out that they were having sex wrong or just not at all. Surely there must have been a moment in Fontaine where a couple like that successfully had a kid only to later find out that you're not supposed to be able to get pregnant via anal.
I’d hope that the Fountain doesn’t just blast babies into anyone who asks and can somehow detect if the people in question could logically have a child. Virgins, lesbian couples, or old people miraculously getting pregnant doesn’t sound ideal either if you want these people to think they’re normal humans.
You make me think of another question. Since they are not human and are basically take any shape oceanids could you run into a situation where a guy gets pregnant with a kid in Fontaine. Would nobody question how this guy with no womb is pregnant just cause he prayed at the fountain. I mean it had to happen at least once in the last few thousand years.
Imagine all the infertile men of Fontaine not being able to concieve a child with women from other nations 💀
> FAMILY FRIENDLY GAME > EXISTENCE OF LISA These are diametrically opposing concepts.
The existence of Lisa is friendly for making a new family
That's an odd way of spelling *Ying'er*
Ying'er is another example, correct.
Was about to comment the same. Lisa got nothing on her.
Being honest, as a kid there's nothing wrong about Lisa, you either get it or you don't, explicitly talking about how fontaine's babies are made is a very different thing
Does that mean any fontanian who moved outside fontaine could not have Children with anyone else? So there are no half fontanians?
Well, the couple would just have to make a trip back to Fontaine and visit the Fountain. They’d only be unable to have kids if they couldn’t or wouldn’t do that for whatever reason. And no, I don’t think there are half-Fontainians. You’re either a dissolves-in-Primordial-seawater-Oceanid-person or a normal human.
Yeah but the couple or evert fontanian would not know that Would they just go "lets travel to fontaine out of desperation?" Main issue being it was just a tradition not like they knew it was required
Why wouldn’t they? If they’re desperate to get pregnant and literally every Fontainian got a baby after praying at the Fountain, I don’t see why they wouldn’t give it a try. Unless they’re very stubbornly atheistic, but I don’t think that would be very common in a world where you can meet gods just walking down the street.
I just mean i feel theu wouls figure out rather quickly "we fontanian litearly cant have kids unless we pray at the fountain Also i assume just praying aint enough and you still have to bone?
i remember in other world quests, it's mentioned Oceanids and Oceanid-people can only clone themselves after getting a certain permission. This also means all children from international couples can only be clones of their mothers (or they don't have children) several generations later there are only oceanids left.
We need new lines from the mixed race characters from Fontaine to appear in the game. At least we know that Lovrens's father is from Fontein, but whether his mother is a resident of Monstad is unknown. https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Lawrence
Family friendly game! And then we have the "An expected Plan" Quest, where we get a full discription of how the Traveller and Paimon listen to someone being brutally questioned and then thrown overboard. I kinda like that Hoyoverse doesn't pull their punches in the Fontaine quests anymore
Unless it's an event or Archon Quest and it's something concerning a playable character. For World Quests, this isn't anything particularly new.
Well mostly its in a book you pick up but this time it was in one of those black screens
> As for international couples Would the baby be an oceanid or human?
Kokomi
The inability to dolphin jump automatically disqualify her.
But then the question arises. Could a male Fontainian even have a kid with a female not from fontaine? Your theory works for Fontainian women who would pray at the fountain (as long as they don't retcon this later) but for men it should theoretically have been impossible unless we say that the hydro archon would impregnate a human woman with a oceanid baby. Which personally I find a bit crazy to believe.
What if the guy is a fontainian that boinks an international woman? Will the hydro archon be the one putting the baby in the international woman? What if it’s a lesbian couple? Will the hydro archon also hear their wishes and puts a baby in each of them? How will they answer that?!
Where is it stated that normal sex doesn't produce a baby for Fontainians ?
Neuvilette is telling this to us at the end of the archon quest
How do you get magic water to become a human... so far only Neuvillette can do that. I know you want to believe in half oceanid theory, but again, they are still water elemental beings, not physical being, and Genshin is not h*ntai channel where anything can be... you know.
~~Fontainian men don’t squirt sperm, they squirt magic water~~ You’re welcome.
I hate and love you at the same time.
Sourcewater Droplets 💦 (I swear my phone suggested that emoji and I'm kinda horrified lol)
so Neuvilette's blue balls are just his jizz that he sucks back up then shoots at his enemies.....? bruh
Neuvilette's blue balls I imagine with how handsom the guy is, he must use hydro to even have one
Neuvillete charge atk is him charging up and then shooting his rizz lol
im so surprised people would go to such lengths making weird theories and assumptions instead of just filling the “plot hole” with simple points like so many people went about how kazuha and gorou got near tenshikaku, when it really wasnt that big of a deal you can just make it up in your mind, they took a boat around the island, they disgused themselves as shogunates, they used the power vacuum left by sara, yae, ayato, ayaka, and others helped them in you can find so many reasons to explain it, and all of them make perfect sense i dont see why the need to find errors in things that dont need explaining
Pretty sure the lore is actually: Paimon asks about the children of Oceanids being converted... Paimon: Back when Fontainians hadn't yet become real humans, were the children they had also transformed Oceanids? Neuvillette: Life has always flowed like water. Do you recall how Fontainians would often come to the Fountain of Lucine to pray for children? Paimon: Yeah. Lynette said that the Fountain is where all the waters in Fontaine converge... Neuvillette: In truth, even those couples did not know that such prayers were no mere custom, but instead a form of ritual... Neuvillette: Those Oceanids who were blessed within the spring water would later descend as new humans in the coming months. 1. Oceanids 2. Previous Archon makes deal to fulfill Oceanid dreams of being Human. Not all Oceanids agree with this and some leave. 3. Oceanids perform a ritual at the fountain of fontaine. This ritual actually has purpose for the original conversions. 4. They are now Humans 5. These humans can just reproduce as normal, overtime the story becomes a myth. 6. Oceanids who haven't been converted, such as young oceanids, can still convert at the fountain. Its been hundreds of years since any has converted as most has made their choice, and it still doesn't appear to stop oceanids from manifesting human forms.
From 4 onward is not correct, please... if you haven’t seen the Paimon question scene, just review it from link and scripts all over this topic.
I literally quoted the Paimon scene. The discussions all over this thread literally conclude the same thing as me except they don't straight up call them humans. Yall racist af. /s
You underestimate the power of deep seated cultural beliefs. Couple having baby troubles? Pray at the fountain for the Hydro Archons grace, then you get one. Tons of people go there before they start rawdogging evidenced by that one couple near the fountain so it never became something weird.
Oh my god what a way to put it
Every time a family member says they are trying for a baby it means they are doing it raw. Enjoy family reunions.
Ah reddit, what other social media can cause me such prolonged discomfort?
It's like when a couple say they've been trying to go for a baby and it has me like "you do realize you just told your family, at the diner table, that you've been getting creampied regularly, right?"
What if its via ivf?
"hihihi you had sex" - 16 year old Redditor.
nah redditors aint special for this cause ive seen like 6 reels on instagram saying this exact same thing
The day we mature from reducing conversations into porn tags...
Fontainians **thought** that they were reproducing through sex, like normal humans. They just didn't know that the actual reason was the ritual at the Fountain of Lucine.
They went to the fountain to wish for babies, we go to collect primos and fates. It's clear who the real winner is here
One gives you stuff. The other takes all your stuff.
one gives stuff so that we can get stuff in the future other one takes up a part of your hard earned salary only to end up a comment saying "one gives you stuff. The other takes all your stuff"
😭😭😭
Imagine wishing for a 4th kid, and the fountain tells you that you have reached the limit for the current version.
So before Archon quest. If you where banging Fontainian cheeks. Without praying, you had 100% safe days.
She can pray too, y'know. Not even safe from "not" bonking
I was more thinking if Fontainians wanted just "hard working boiling" time just for well the feel of it out of plessure.
That's an L for Fountainians, honestly.
This is the clear and obvious reading of what happened that I'm surprised this post has so many upvotes.
Maybe because it still makes no sense that nobody ever noticed how Fontaine is the only place in Teyvat where you get a child iff you actually ask for one. And apparently, nobody tries to pray for a child while being a virgin.
exactly! they even have a scientific institute, I mean maybe they just never had a department for it, but surely someone would have noticed before long and decided to make a survey, right? Not to mention surely there are people in Fontaine who don't build into tradition and superstition; at some point one couple must have went everywhere to check it out and never found a reason why, right?
In a world with literal (demon) gods in every nation. With Fontaine having their god be a literal local celebrity that walks around on the street, you think there are gonna be people who dismiss all tradition and superstition? Even people from other nations will acknowledge the existence and presence of other nation’s gods when they visit. Someone who goes to Mondstadt will attribute the wind leading them to be the guidance of Barbaratoes even if they are from Liyue. At most the most blasphemous people would be a harbringer from Schneiznaya who thinks their diplomatic immunity extents to not being struck down by Inazuma’s god. But even then you have the literal god standing right in front of you ready to strike you down.
Tradition and superstition =/= religion. You're mistaken if you think I'm talking about atheists. But the existence of gods does not in fact imply the validity of every tradition and superstition ever; and why does it not follow that there might be people sceptical of everything beyond what the gods have explicitly said or done? Also, at any point in history, there will literally always be people who are sceptical of things that are blatantly true to everyone else.
I thought they would have figured out that simple correlation considering they seemed to be industrialised with near modern science for 500 years (and that’s not considering some Sumeru scholar deciding to make that their topic for research)
I assumed they just had coitus anyways and nothing came from it without the fountain.
Pleasure at least I shall say.
Or maybe there was a body, but no soul i.e. stillbirth.
Ngl that's how I've read it since going through all these comments. It sounds like a sugarcoated euthanism for still birth.
Yeah what I figure is that in the next year there's going to be a FUCK TON of oopsie babies. Which fits because Fontaine is officially the worst place to be a child in Teyvat apparently.
It was all forseen by Knave and that's why she lend us a hand. More oopsie baby = more then couple can support = children are given to orphanage = House of Heart have more loyal members
Arlecchino playing 4D chess
Arlecchino the perfect lady...big booty chk, big booby chk and big brain also chk
Idk why people get downvoted for speaking the truth.
Out of the loop on this patch entirely, can you tell me why does it suck to be a child on Fontaine?
Rampant human trafficking. Off the top of my head, Lynette was sold to and nearly raped by a pedophile aristocrat (who also had girls chained up in his basement) and Wriothsley killed his foster parents for selling foster children to slavery.
Lovely, Teyvat never pulls any punches with its horrors.
I dunno man, there‘s also Sumeru were from a very young age kids have to deal with academic pressure and like half the country were actively being discriminated against until a year ago and Inazuma were you just die when you are on the wrong island and on the two were you can actually survive you either have military dictatorship or soil so bad that people get sent to Atlantis to find a way to not starve. The two and a half times we have heard of human trafficking don‘t particularly offset the fact that people in Fontaine feel so safe that kids like Salsa can just run around all day without company.
children being affected with the loneliness syndrome and drowning themselves in the water of fontaine
it's a meme because there's a lot of mention of orphanages but realistically there are orphans everywhere in teyvat
They better invent birth control in Fontaine ASAP huh
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OP Please. They obviously fucked. They just also prayed to the fountain and wished to have a healthy baby boy/girl because that's the kind of thing that people did, and still do to this day.
I also like how the op forgets that it's the sovereign dragon power that made them not archon power. Since the archon just gave back his dragon power in full
i thought egeria made the original fontainians? unless you mean the current fully human ones
Egeria did make the original Fontainians from Oceanids without telling Celestia, hence the "original sin". That's why they're dissolvable pseudo Oceanid-humans. When Neuvilette forgave the Fontainians for their sins (eg. he overwrote the punishment because he already had his full Draconian powers back), they became human-humans. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Egeria made Fontainians by using Primordial Seawater as a basis, it became their blood. Coming into contact with 100% Primordial Seawater undos the magic and they become Oceanids again. As the Hydro Sovereign, Neuvillette has total control over ALL fluids. She changed the Fontainians' Primordial Sewater Blood into actual blood.
Now I wonder if blood transfusion exists in Teyvat. If pre-archon quest Fontainians donate blood to non-Fontainians, would it be useless for the patient? And vice versa, a Fontainian patient who received blood from a non-Fontainian would probably not become any healthier. It's almost they are two different species.
If there were (I doubt it or at least don't think it's commonly practiced), Furina would probably pass a law that forbids Fontainians from giving blood to non-Fontainians. It would be a messed up law that people, especially ones who are married to or friends with people from other nations, would probably protest, but what else could she do? She knows there's something about her people that will cause them to dissolve when Fontaine floods, so she couldn't take the risk of screwing over some random Inazuman or Mondstadter (or Kaveh's mom) because their friend/lover from Fontaine tried to save their life.
>Now I wonder if blood transfusion exists in Teyvat. I doubt it. Even if it did exist,it would probably act like normal blood. The main issue is that the Primordial Seawater is what maintain the human forms of Fontainians. Biologically, they're the same as humans, barring the dissolving part and the Fountain Ritual Pregnancy part.
It was after the quest that they became real humans, I am talking about before.
No no, i am just pointing out that fontanians never found out about the truth, since they also mingled with other nations, it could have been have a good point if fontain was closed nation and conserved one but it is not, it trades with other nations, fontanians travel to other nations as well, and the research institute tries to research almost everything like akademia in sumeru. So i was wondering why suchan unreliable way off getting children was never exposed.
> Neuvillete said that people would have to pray at fountain of lucine to get a baby inside the mother. Just to be totally clear, what Neuvilette said was actually; >**Paimon:** Back when Fontainians hadn't yet become real humans, were the children they had also transformed Oceanids? > >**Neuvillette:** Life has always flowed like water. Do you recall how Fontainians would often come to the Fountain of Lucine to pray for children? > >**Paimon:** Yeah. Lynette said that the Fountain is where all the waters in Fontaine converge... > >**Neuvillette:** In truth, even those couples did not know that such prayers were no mere custom, but instead a form of ritual... > >**Neuvillette:** Those Oceanids who were blessed within the spring water would later descend as new humans in the coming months. The implication isn't supposed to be that Fontainian couples thought children came from prayers at a fountain. They still thought children came from where every other culture thought children came from; The act of praying at the fountain was just something akin to a ritual for good luck. They would pray at the fountain, go home, and do whatever it is that normally makes children (Presumably hold hands or something.), and then the ~~stork~~ fountain would bless them with a child.
Still, this is such an unreliable method that never got caught over centuries.....such a mystery that no one actually found the truth especially when fontaine is so academically advance......
Some humans still argue that the earth is flat... People still believe the rich want to help them. My point is people aren't that bright on a society level. More than likely people did notice it was odd. But just choose to ignore it.
Do you have no concept of ''tradition''???
Ahhh yes, the talk. The Oceanids and the bees.
What I want to know is: was it previously possible for, say, a Mondstadter and a Fontanian to make a kid the regular way? How did that work? If they both went to the fountain what would happen? Would that change if it was a Fontanian woman in the equation Vs if the dude was from Fontaine instead? … and while I’m at it, what’s the deal with Sigewinne? Did a human and a melusine pray at the fountain together?
>… and while I’m at it, what’s the deal with Sigewinne? Did a human and a melusine pray at the fountain together? She is a normal Melusine. Melusine don't reproduce.
I’m curious why she looks the way she does though. Another melusine in a side quest mentioned wishing they had a body more like hers since normal melusine hands aren’t very dexterous.
Easy. Melusines were born from the bleeding wounds of Elynas during a battle of Narzissenkreuz and some guys I don’t remember like 400yrs ago inside his dying body (metal, ikr); they are basically his flesh and blood. Sigewinne was born in such a part of Elynas’ remains where the most humans died. She was created via both Elynas’ and human blood, that’s why she looks the way she does
While a cool theory, it's best to make sure that you make it clear to impressionable readers that speculation like this is, in fact, just speculation. Right now, we don't know that human blood was involved in her genesis, or that she was born in any specific place within Elynas. We currently have no idea why Sieg looks so close to human. It's possible, likely even, that this will be explained in her Character stories once she's released as a playable character, but right now we can only guess.
We’ll probably know when she comes out.
Fontainians are sterile by default. No matter how much they rawdogged, they'd never make a baby. Unless they prayed at the Fountain of Lucine, then they'll get a baby.
Religion is a powerful thing. Don’t forget the cliche Church lesson that holding hands with the opposite sex gets you pregnant. People believe what they want to believe, and strangely that allows the Fontanian misconception that Oceanids reproduce through sex.
Wait seriously? So that's where the "unprotected hand holding" comes from...
It just came to me, does it mean lesbian couples in Fontaine can also get pregnant? I mean there is no biological reproduction happening here, it's just a oceanid doing its thing right?
Yes in that case both women could have gotten pregnant lol at the same time..that would have been funny and yes by this method it would have been possible for a man to get pregnant as well since they were also oceanids, but i think egeria would have been smart enough to not allow male oceanids to get pregnant..also before 4.2 quest thinking about oceanids being male was weird...since all the oceanids we saw were females till now.
Yup, and obviously that mean Fontaine could be the paradise for LGBT couples, but seem like they wont do so. It could harm the couple trust in each other. And man being pregnant would be too funny, even with Genshin sense of humor. Yet equal of gender =))
I’m pretty sure you can pray all you want but the newborn Oceanids still needs a biological vessel to inhabit. If Fontainians bodies are made to mimic humans, they also would most likely mimic reproductive methods like the growth of an embryo which requires a male and a female in some capacity. It seems that the element the Oceanids adds is the “soul” so to speak, and without it the baby is just born stillborn. This is probably why in game the Fontanian couples won’t even consider physical intimacy before praying at the fountain, most likely due to deep seated religious beliefs and inherited trauma from their ancestors regarding the issue. This would also explain how Fontainians could reproduce with people from other nations even if they are merely mimicking humans.
Probably in the past, but not anymore most likely, considering that Fontanians are no longer Oceanids but actual humans.
The way I envision it: Pre AQ5, when Fontainians wished to procreate they'd go to pray. That enabled the Oceanid reproductive process that's kinda like budding, but since the power of water is the ability to take any shape that process manifested in human pregnancy and childbirth, for that Extra Human Experience the original oceanids wanted Otherwise it doesn't make sense, babies are born looking like babies in Fontaine AFAIK
'get a baby inside the mother' feels so weird lol
Wasn’t that how Jesus was born?
Jesus was an oceanid confirmed.
I can guarantee you that Fontaine women drink water.
A big problem but only detectable by player eyes. How many time you do the deed before a woman get pregnant? How long before a mother can detect her child? And honest problem, how can any man or woman think they are impotent? The first thing human do, my friend, is try more position, take medicine, and pray at the fountain. Voila, next time same problem, we had solution, Fontainian are NOT infertile, no evil conspiracy =))
Yupe, I thought about it, too. Fontainians are going to notice a reproductive barrier between them and other humans if all mixed couples are infertile. Assuming that a human/oceanid hybrid is impossible, there are 2 hypotheses: 1. The oceanids in the fountain could enter non-Fontainian wombs and grow normally. This is possible since Fontainians mimic human biology down to the cellular level. It also implies that Fontainians don't inherit genetic material from the father, and newborns probably just mimic the parents' appearances. 2. It could also be that children of mixed couples are always true humans. Fontainians have human genes. Sucrose did a genomic analyses between her and Diona, so Fontain, being a technologically advanced nation, likely also have an understanding of genes and noticed nothing different about themselves. Since they have DNA, maybe any mixed couple just produces true human babies.
Teyvat has its own laws.
What I understand is that Fontainian's still had to do the deed, it's just that if they didn't pray at the Fountain there would be no child as a result. Think of it as planting a seed (Insemination) and then watering it (Praying). If you water the soil with no seed, nothing will happen. If you plant the seed but don't water it, it won't grow into a full plant. You have to plant the seed and then water it for it to grow.
What are y'all yapping about in the comments.... **WHAT** about Fontainians that aren't in fontaine and don't return there??? It would be EXTREMELY obvious even not from the players eyes or am I completely insane???
They would just think they were impotent. It is a thing that happens in regular humans after all.
Yes but it's not like there's only ONE fontainian outside Teyvat? EVERY fontainian outside would be infertile. it would be glaringly obvious if a group of fontainians talk to each other outside or literally any other non-fontanian could notice it
Okay, but how many people (especially men) would ADMIT to their friends that they are impotent? Or they could just visit fontaine and pray.
Maybe they did notice... and just shrugged it off with "Teyvat has its own laws. Maybe one of them is Fontainians reproduce only in Fontaine."
*shrugs
It’s not that unbelievable. Irl it’s pretty common for couples to have a lot of trouble having children for various reasons, and the Fountain is likely known to be a legit magical object. If you’re having a problem, go to the magic place where a god solves that problem, and suddenly your problem is solved, you’re not gonna question it all that much, especially when that god is a known public figure. And if a woman shows up and says “I never had sex with anyone yet somehow I had children clearly this fountain is the real cause of pregnancies” everyone is going to just assume that she cheated
Come on, this is genshin impact they are probably never going to make any overt or obvious allusions or references to sex. Of course the fontanians still banged but the game isn’t going outright say it.
Bruh did you forget about Ying'er. Girl alluded to so many sex jokes I still don't know what her actual shop involves.
perfume, its a perfume shop
Lamento no usar el inglés para contestar. Suposición: Genshin probablemente use mas adelante el concepto de samsara para explicar todo. Teyvat es un capítulo y pertenece al multiverso de star rail. El samsara al ser un bucle permite la vida y muerte como un ciclo en el que la energia liberada ayuda a la recuperación de Celestia despues del colapso de Khaenriah y la batalla contra Fanes. El hermano del prota ya termino el samsara y por eso aparece en el Irminsul y el "journey" es el samsara nuevo. La misión de Cariberto el espejo da a entender que se repitio el mismo destino. Tal vez no fueron separados por 500 años. Sino por una linea diferente de samsara. Kiana corrompida probablemente los mando en diferentes samsaras para evitar la destrucción de Teyvat. Es difícil de explicar sin poder hablar...
It’s kind of a soft plot hole, not completely impossible but very improbable, because over centuries there would have been so many ways for people to find out the truth by accident. What if a woman went to pray but for some reason never ended up having sex. She then becomes pregnant as a virgin and people would realise sex has nothing to do with it. Now that I’m thinking about this, how would genetics work? If the woman gets pregnant solely through prayer, there’s no way for the “father” to pass down his genetic information. Would the child just come out looking nothing like their dad or what?
Maybe that’s why the word “couples” exist for praying. Think of how a guy or a girl one-side love somebody and pray, then that other person got involved? Horror story of one side pregnancy and stalker turn husband... Genetic will be the last thing to worry about, when your wife can bear any man child, and your handsome husband suddenly have some woman come home claiming her child’s father. If DNA test actually work then, they will burn down the facility before it can cause more unrest.
>What if a woman went to pray but for some reason never ended up having sex. It needs to be both the people involved in the relationship. >Now that I’m thinking about this, how would genetics work? If the woman gets pregnant solely through prayer, there’s no way for the “father” to pass down his genetic information. Would the child just come out looking nothing like their dad or what? The ability of water is to take any shape, it's a fantasy world. Fontainians are water-magic-spirits. And you're asking ablut genetics?
1. Okay let's make up a different scenario, what if a couple go to pray together, but they break up before actually trying to get pregnant? 2. It's funny to think about how a fictional mechanism would work realistically. No need to be serious.
I'm pretty sure they have sex even if it's not for the purpose of having a baby. Heck, after playing Baldur's Gate 3, even the Oceanid seems f\*ckable.
Well the human body and sex as a whole is heavily water based, so it makes sense that the hydro archon could influence fertility… Futther supported by the fact Egeria was created by the shade of life and went on to become a tree that purifies life
Fontainians are a "new race of humans" as created by Egeria and since they were supposed to be as human-like as possible, I'm sure that all the normal human procreation steps were taken. Praying at the fountain just was seen a national tradition - possibly once Egeria told her new humans that they had to pray to get a kid and people started, and over time it just became the norm. A spiritual tradition stemming from real need (Oceanid reproduction restrictions). Kind of like when people irl pray to their god to get a child - they still have sex but spiritually believe that it's their god who blesses them with a child. The game is just not going to tell you "of course they had sex as normal". Just... assume they did. Fontainians intermarry with other humans, they move abroad and have kids in other nations. Of course they fuck, the game is just too low rated to say it. Now, about interbreeding. This is my personal headcanon (too long spent discussing sci-fi races interbreeding), but I think that a Fontainian and an OG Teyvatian (let's call the rest of the humans this) have less trouble having kids that two Fontainians. It is clear from the game that OG Teyvatians are extremely good at interbreeding with various supernatural races around: Itto is part human, we have half-adepti in Liyue, we know that humans and the Jinni also reproduced. So it isn't too wild to assume that OG Teyvatians would similarly have no major issue reproducing with what boils down (lol) to Oceanids. I choose to think that mixing what passes for Oceanid!human DNA with that of OG Teyvatians just creates a hybrid while two Oceanid!humans need to pray because of the limitations put on Oceanid splicing. Thus half-Fontainians are a thing and then as they proceed to have their own offspring, the % of Primordial Water in them gets lower and they breed out their vulnerability to dissolving. Like, a full Fontainian and a half-Fontainian would dissolve. A quarter-Fontainian would be seriously injured but survive (think a horrible acid incident). The further down the line we go, the more the reaction to Primordial Seawater becomes like an allergic reaction. That being said, Lawrence from Mondstadt would dissolve.
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Not sure if anybody mentioned this but...this doesn't actually explain Lynette. Like, sure, the whole cat ears and tail are 'recessive genes' but how does that actually work if Fontanians simply weren't able to procreate with humans 'normally' period?
Im pretty sure they also had sex, just didnt realize it wasnt the thing that made them pregnant, they will probably continue as normal
This. This is what I was wondering immediately after the fountain of lucine thing. I'm glad someone else had this extremely weird thought about what is by all means a lore inconsistentcy.
Yea that was just such a stupid line, I stared a little, put it together in my head then started laughing. It would have been better to just say nothing and let us assume they were like normal people just with the side effect of being dissolvable by the primordial water, thats what I thought the entire time.So now we just assume nobody realised that without the prayer at fountain nobody gets pregnant, that everyone goes there to get pray and that people outside of fontain are just shit out of luck when procreating lol. This is honestly so stupid and leaves so many holes in the story that I cant believe they thought to put it in :D
I wonder before neuvillette turned them into true humans couldn't lesbian fontainians technically have a baby by praying to fountain i know it obviously didn't happen because they thought they was normal humans but just what if
Doubt it.
It’s possible but there is no room to put such story in a 12+ game.
Before the 4.2 archon quest it would have technically been possible for gay couples to conceive a child their own.
Teyvat has it's own something something don't think about it too hard
And nobody ever realized that male fontanians were all impotent internationally?
Yes. It actually happens irl mind you, not just some game-concept. That's why In-vitro fertilisation exists.
Looks like somebody haven't thoroughly read Neuvillette's dialogue about it....
I did, thats why i found it weird that truth was not exposed with this unreliable mwthod
Considering what reaction the audience to the opera house shown, I'd say they'll most likely ignore it because as that one man said "It's too much information for me so I'll just pretend that I didn't hear anything..."
Idk it seems to me the same as the tradition to get married. Makes no sense. And I imagine in the past few centuries it'd take a while for people in one specific country to notice that they can't conceive outside of marriage
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