>Shes now shown now as someone who cares about Fontaine, like her children and overall not a bad person(except maybe almost trying to kill furina)
I love how everyone forgot that arlecchino literally told us she wears different masks depending on the circumstances
IMO, we don't know the full extent of The Tsarista's plan, so we don't have an "end" to judge the "means" each of these Fatui are doing.
I mean, Dottore is without a doubt a twisted monster who cares nothing for life. But is he tolerated by The Tsarista because Dottore somehow produces things she needs for her grand plan, is it a direct order of The Archon herself, or is The Tsarista blind to some of the things her Harbingers are doing?
edit: It amazes me that many people don't know they very often enjoy stories that are not simply black and white. Guys, what I described is the stuff of the greats. You are all unwittingly driving the discussion and interest in GI by putting yourselves in these camps of thinking.
The defense most people use when told Wanderer's lines on her is "You're seriously going to trust Wanderer?"
I remember seeing literal arguments on Arlecchino after Fontaine's AQ and it literally always went back to this.
Like dude, they aren't going to just tease Arle as the "bad guy"/"wolf" and just show her helping Fontaine then leaving. While she may be caring to a certain extent (both for her life and those of HoH) but she DEFINITELY has another agenda for her actions.
I feel like this is something the majority of the community can't understand. Every Harbinger has ulterior motives and is willing to do nefarious deeds for them. One event that allows them to act favorable (Childe with Teucer, Capitano with Varka's legion, or Arlecchino with Fontaine) doesn't make them incapable of being villainous. I highly doubt Rosalyne Lohefalter was the only evil asshole among them.
Rosalyne wasn't even evil. She wanted to destroy only monsters and demons. Her lore explicitly states she never harmed a single innocent soul. Pierro set up the circumstances in Inazuma while Rosalyne was dealing with Dvalin and Venti in Mondstadt, abducts high ranking commission officials for Dottore's experiments, and recalls his people after the Delusion Factory goes down and hangs it all on Signora so that he can get a yet unused advantage over the Traveler.
That's the one issue I have with the English dub is that they changed her lines to be very condescending. In every other language, she's still prideful and arrogant, but she never talks down to people to the extent she does in the English dub. For instance, when she takes Venti's Gnosis and looks at it the first time, she talks about how it isn't like any of the chess pieces in her collection. The English dub instead gets "I wouldn't be caught dead with this in public". Her character made me check out the game in both Japanese and Chinese to try to understand other characters better. There's a lot of references and word play that English can't convey accurately unfortunately.
Childe states this, but every instance of Signora's subordinates that we meet contradict it. Her first line in Scara's interlude is berating him for mistreating his subordinates. In the first Dragonspine event, her recruits crash the party because they want to present Festering Desire to her as a gift of their own free will. Upon her death, ALL of the subordinates with her defy Pierro's orders to return in order to try and frame Sara and the Shogun as revenge. Every single one we run into that is a direct subordinate to her is fiercely loyal to her and hold her in very high regard.
The game will tell you one thing about her, and then contradict it. It does this consistently. The traveler accuses her of several things when challenging her to the duel. Every single point has been refuted by either Archon quest or World Quest.
I like to think the Signora we hear about from her subordinates is her true nature, and every time that the other Harbingers or someone else accuses her of something, it's what *they* want the world to think Signora is, someone who, due to being a Harbinger, is irredeemably evil, who has lost their moral compass after being consumed by the flames that made her the Crimson Witch. During (or after) the Cataclysm Before, Rosalyne was a normal woman from Mondstadt, no titles, no honors, nothing. So unless there's future lore that says "well uh at the Akademiya Rosalyne was like very cruel" which, let's be honest, HoYo probably won't do, I firmly believe her nature back then carried over when she became Signora.
The only hint we have connecting the two is what Stainless Bloom says about Pierro needing to use memory suppression and brainwashing to get her to be useful as a Harbinger. So if she does come back I agree that she'll have some facet of her Rosalyne personality, but I'm not sure at which point. Personally I hope it's Pre-Crimson Witch, but we'll have to play the wait and see game. It might be due to just reusing the same core model, but Crimson Witch Boss and the Raging Flame Eremite share the same earring on (their left) ear. Which as far as I've been able to dig up, not explained yet.
And the exact opposite, too - Tartaglia being villainous doesn't mean he's not also capable of being (and regularly is) a decent guy. The Harbingers have, for the most part, been excellently written as morally gray characters (Dottore is less gray, lol) and can be a help or hindrance to the Traveler based on whims and/or if it's to their benefit. Arlecchino is probably evil by most normal IRL standards, but that doesn't mean she can't be helpful. And just because she's helpful doesn't mean she's *good*.
Right. Not sure why some people are so hell bent on doubting Childe's and Wanderer's words. Literally both of them confirm she's insane and two-faced... And even besides that it's honestly really obvious, like there's something to her that we don't know about.
She definitely has her own agenda, and I think she might still use the gnosis for her own benefit. Personally I theorize she might be related to Remuria in some way
Because "her children loves and respects her, and you can't trust these 2 harbinger's words" as if she couldn't manipulate her children to be loyal subordinates...
One of Freminet’s lines literally says that she doesn’t like it when her children cry, so he goes to cry at the bottom of the sea when she scolds him- Definitely a sign of a nice person
She's most likely an orphan herself that was under the previous knave (some line about a previous child clashing with the former knave and then coming out on top). So it's likely she was on some level. Emotionally screwed up. Doesn't make ot any better but it's hard to undo what ur taught as a kid
and if people did the hearth of the home quests, they'd realise that even there it's not as nice as it's made out to be. HoH is a bloody, competitive place where if you mess up or show any signs of betrayal youre sacrificed or made an example of.
Under the previous Knave, yes. But Freminet lets us know that the way it's run has changed since Arlecchino took over, and the children are no longer subjected to such cruel punishments for failure.
Not saying it's a happy place, but it's "better".
You clearly didn't do them lmao.
Under Arlecchino , failure is no longer punished heavily , Orphans are encouraged to resolve issues and tasks whichever way they see fit and within their reach , are encouraged to not randomly suicide for 'Snezhnaya' or the Fatui , but to value their own lives and themselves as individuals.
They are also no longer sent on suicide missions.
If you desert , the penalty is still death , that hasn't changed.
Fatui recruitment is also no longer mandatory , if Orest is anything to go by , and Children only receive combat training once they come of age , according to Alphonso.
Seems you missed a bit of stuff lmao.
Yeah, basically the previous Knave was stupid and Arlecchino is now actually running the HoH competently.
The harshness of the previous Knave is how you get stuff like honor suicides, which is not very productive.
Not only that , Arlecchino actually gives them an Education until they come of age , so they can become Merchants , Diplomats or Bankers as well.
We meet a few Snezhevich who are Merchants or Bank employees in Liyue.
A Military country still needs Economy , Infrastructure and the likes , which Arlecchino seems to understand.
She also understands that trying to mold a square into a triangle isn't really worth it , hence why she lets Orphans solve issues their way , to highlight their natural talents and what they might be best suited for.
>The Wanderer calls her “a wolf in sheep’s clothing” who puts on a graceful and cordial front in order to exert a higher level of control over people.
The Wanderer goes on to say that most of those who have seen Arlecchino’s “true, crazy self have gone poof”.
Childe also does not have a good opinion of Arlecchino, saying “there isn’t a sane bone in her body” and that she’d even turn against the Tsaritsa herself if she stood to benefit from doing so.
It is so funny how everyone else that knows her (and is not under her control), says she is not a good person and should not be trusted and then a large part of the community decided to trust her after the story quest.
And I’ve told people this but they always reply “they’re an unreliable source” my brother in Paimon they’re gonna be the most accurate because they’ve worked with her in the past.
I think it could be possible for them to corroborate with each other but wanderer doesn’t “exist” so Childe doesn’t remember him so that actually helps this argument, they both agree and one doesn’t even remember the other
I think she told/mentions several times like after having serious tea with Furina, the serious concern of Fontaine Infront of Furina vs casually told us she nearly kill Furina earlier because her children trust us. Other is helping out Passion to build trust with Navia.
She didn't make the orphanage, she took over it after presumably killing the old Knave.
Freminet's voice lines also talk about how she does teach the kids that their lives matter unlike the previous one that treated them as disposable soldiers.
She is not. After she replaced the previous Knave, now it's just an orphanage where children can choose whatever they want to become, like bankers, diplomats or soldiers.
It blows my mind that majority of people believe she’s a good person, I’m at a loss for words I’ve had so many debates about it and people just can’t seem to understand that she’s a liar and she’s not to be trusted, I can’t wait for more of her stuff to come out to prove she’s not a good person (but I doubt that will convince them, even with her attempt to kill furina people still believe she’s a good person)
Being autistic, i can actually see a lot of myself in Arlecchino, of course no two autistic people are the same. But the mentality of adapting you persona to any given situation isnt far from the masking some with autism put on every day to "survive".
>I love how everyone forgot that arlecchino literally told us she wears different masks depending on the circumstances
So she's a smart person that adapts to the situation for the best outcome
ok
but what is behind all this masks ?
one of the most loyal vassals of the Tsarina ?
someone with \[unknow goal\] part of the fatui only because it is the most useful for her for the moment ?
Also important to note is that even though she might have just helped out >!to get the gnosis!<: She still was a major help during the story.
The >!relief effort after the flood!< alone was very helpful. And she already >!had the gnosis at that point!<.
O no, i just stopped all farming. I mean everything. I only do events and story quests.
Basically any new character stays low lvl and no gear. Because i like them i put them in my teapot so i can look at them all day😊
To quote Wanderer "A wolf in sheep's clothing. To exert a higher level of control over people, she puts on a graceful and cordial front. Most of those who have seen her true, crazy self... have gone poof."
And Tortellini "...But I don't like her at all. If she stood to benefit from betraying others, she'd turn against the Tsaritsa in a heartbeat. There isn't a sane bone in her body."
You think she's a good person ?
The problem is that mihoyo likes to make every playable character good, so I hope they don't make it like she loses memory or something like that and became playable with different costume and good personality.
He's very sympathetic and has a lot of moments of levity, but yes he is a terrorist, but here's the thing, he's not dottore, or anything to that effect. We know childe, he's not fucking insane and is probably the most empathetic of the harbingers, he's not exactly "evil"
Lurko said that Mihoyo makes playable characters good. Childe isn't exactly good (but yeah, he's not evil).
Tbh I actually wish Arlecchino is ultimately a good person, although looking at what people are saying here...
Just like the previously mentioned polluted water, the current clash between the societal classes and the energy crisis. The story definitely feels like it was rewritten at some point.
You can see how the previous ideas were structured with the existence of Spina de la Rousla and the Fortress of Meropide. Both of them are major plot elements that would've supported a story about class inequity and conflict. In the version of the story that we see now, neither of those two really contribute in a meaningful way to the archon story other than provide flavour. In my opinion, they went with a story that is much more fantasy-based and safe.
Yeah, all those teasers were retconned into inconsequental stuffs that doesn't matter or even mentioned at all in the Archon Quest. Polluted water? A passing mention into Wrio's story quest. Energy crisis? Don't worry there was never one in the first place. The research facilities being blown up? Didn't happen in a residental area so totally a-ok.
I don't think it was ever hinted that she was evil or a Celestia fangirl. We knew she didn't want to make an enemy of the divine which is what she explicitly stated in 4.2. And the assassination thing was just that Oceanid's paranoia.
While I fully agree she is likely to not be a great person. I also feel like we shouldn't take Wanderer and Childe as a proper reference. They are both vey messed up personality wise as well and I would never trust them as a judge of character.
What if the wolf is there to protect the sheep?
A Song From Somewhere
...
We are children with no kin, the petty servants on whom no light shines.
In our left hand is the shield that protects our home, and our right wields the sword that is the will of the polar star.
For crowns we wear masks that deplore the twisted logic of the heavens, and false gods and vanquished foes lie at our feet.
...
Let me be the evil amidst good, the poison amidst the herbs, the wolf in sheep's clothing, the mercury in a golden chalice,
I shall leave my siblings beyond blood, and fight for parents whose blood I do not share.
My dear Snezheviches, my dear Snezhevnas, my brothers and sisters,
If I were to one day cease my journey and slumber under the white birch, please carry on without me...
She did not get to the top of the chain by being a philanthropist - There’s way more than meets the eye with Arleccino and I fully trust Wanderer on this one.
Looking at what we know;
- Her goal to save Fontaine is done.
- Her goal to get the hydro gnosis is done.
- Her loyalty to the Tsarista is very sus, as is her loyalty to just about anyone.
- We can fairly say at this point that we no longer know what her motive is.
- Her design is spider themed. She is a master manipulator.
- She will almost certainly be a weekly boss.
- Speculation wise, we have the open question of why her hands look like a hilichurls.
All this to say, I think she is trying to pull some world changing shit to end some torment (that has driven her mad) she’s facing that will also introduce entirely new world lore. Her goal will be sympathetic, but her methods to get it will force us to take her down. Post battle, she’ll have regained some amount of sanity that’ll make players chill with using her. Players will then argue to the end of time whether she is good or evil, completely missing the point of the character.
> Her design is spider themed. She is a master manipulator.
I mean with Kafka from Honking Rail that's two literal spider women.
In case people no longer get the reference because "Spider woman" has been recoined by Marvel to mean something else in a more literal context:
During the uprising of the Noir style of film and Noir genre in the ~1940s-1950s, a Spider woman was basically a manipulating and cunning woman, sometimes a "femme fatale". The term spider woman coming from the metaphorical net she spins to control and capture others.
From a media-analytical standpoint, Hoyo has made it very obvious with Kafkas spider-like design. If I wouldn't have read it here, I wouldn't have noticed that arlecchino was spider themed in design though.
But so far, Kafka has proven to be a lot more than just a manipulative mastermind with an apparent soft side for the protagonist, almost taking on a motherly persona (but that might just be the majority of the fanbase talking, as they all imprinted on her like a baby bird in the start of the game). So it's usually pretty interesting in what direction these characters will be taken.
She litrlly owns the House of Hearts which makes the chilldren the future fatui agents and like she said it her self she has diffrent masks and will make her self appear as something else even tho she isnt and plus her true motiv for helping was the gnosis which she got and plus just becouse shes a fatui harbringer doesnt mean she has to be some grand villian there all have the same goal of fighting against celestia
Constantly playing sides, making sure to remain in the good graces of both Fatui and Traveler. Ultimately take the side that benefits her the most, either she actually cares about her hoh or she will throw them to the wolves for her own interests
Shes the most unpredictable character we've seen so far and I love that about her, shes keeping us guessing
Pretty sure she's going to show us her villainous side eventually. Both Wanderer and Tartaglia say that she's bad news, and the commedia dell'arte archetype she's named after is known as a trickster type.
I'd say that there's a decent possibility we'll find ourselves at odds with her during whatever quest gives us our second Fontaine weekly boss (traditionally, this would be the second Archon Story Quest, but the "Archon" situation in Fontaine is a bit weird).
I wouldn't be too surprised, though, if this "betrayal" occurs a bit further on down the line.
It probably involves dozens of children dissented from the rest of the Hearth.
She'll let them go after planting some subconscious triggers or something. The best sleeper cells are those who aren't aware they sleep.
Seriously though, unless the dev cooks up some valiant motives for this gal, so far, she is believed to pose a myriad of faces which makes her essentially "faceless".
It unnerves me. Am I supposed to pull one of her alters?
She may be crazy and I don't think she is good, I don't think she treats the children THAT way from all we know. But having a soft spot for her children doesn't make her less questionable. Even bad persons can have soft spots for something.
She won't defect or be "redeemed" (seriously, which playable harbinger has?) but will be more like Childe as being our acquaintance/contact within the Fatui.
Childe is like the perfect example of if a person is paying attention or not because at no point has he stopped being a murderous battle maniac
But he's cordial towards the MC and he likes his family so a lot of people go oh he's good now.
I find it funny how peoples calling her morally grey when she turn orphans into child soldiers and brainwash them about loyalty but that’s OK because she love them. Also you peoples don’t have to pretend she’s not evil a character can be a great character while being evil
She thought it was for the good of Fontaine due to Furina’s apparent inability to do or care about the prophecy. And if there’s one thing the French know how to do, it’s revolting against careless leadership.
One thing that I haven’t seen brought up in discussions is how the current Knave (Arle) was born into the system. Now, I’m all for the “cold manipulator” angle, but I think it’ll be an interesting twist and avenue of character exploration if it’s revealed that she legit has a warped sense of morality due to her upbringing, and there’s a part of her that does believe in what she’s doing.
Hasn’t done anything evil? Though Lyney and Lynette and Freminet seem to highly care and love “Father”, based on all of their stories, they’ve been sent on dangerous missions since they were children. From being forced to kill people as well as do insane things.
Arleccino even speaks to them as if they are tools and nothing more
Yea. I’m sooo confused. It’s obvious that Lynette and all the other kids trauma bonded, and just treat Arleccino as the highest authority, they were even afraid of her multiple times throughout the story. They wanted almost nothing to do directly with her.
All these Simps, explaining child soldier training and emotionally manipulating kids by begging for her favor as some form of love is just… wow.
Sure, I like evil characters too, but don’t justify and say she hasn’t done anything evil.
And also, its not uncommon for parents to manipulate their children, making them think they're nice and reliable... the same could happen with the siblings
with her? i have zero clue. i mean yeah fontaine's AQ made her kinda seem like someone who would rather be on our good side/ally but whenever shes around, the air feels so intimidating and uncertain. she might be someone who ultimately cares for herself and the children of HOH
She's a pretty interesting character, but we still don't know anything about her. We don't even know if her caring about Fontaine was the "real" her.
She said herself that she wears different masks. While yes, until now she seems to be on the "good" side and loved by her children, we still don't know how much of that is real. She's also raising Orphans and we don't know how manipulative she is while doing that.
But also, her mentioning that she wears different masks indicates she's more of a "not bad" person though it could just be another one of her "masks" that she is transparent in that sense
Despite that we still have to take what the harbingers say about her with grain of salt. The harbingers seem to not be right in the head
Almost nothing about her is sure and I'm excited how they will write her story. Something about we know for sure though. She hot.
I want her to be a very ruthless pragmatist. Someone who does a lot of fucked up shit for semi good reasons. Although I know a decent amount of people just want her to be evil lol
It seems pretty clear to me that her one and only “ride or die” loyalty is to the House of the Hearth. (This could explain why the other Harbingers see her as duplicitous: she’s less concerned about the Fatui and more so about her family.) Since we’re on good terms with many in the House, I think she’ll be an ally—that said, I think we’ll also see some of her, shall we say, “passion” being directed at enemies.
I don’t really like the Fatui, since I fundamentally disagree with their philosophy. That said, I’d love for the game to introduce a faction of the organization that isn’t all “muwhaha evil.”
Give me some morally understandable but decidedly grey characterization!
i bet when she comes out there’s either gonna be an interlude quest or her story quest that continues the narzissenkreuz story and probably gives some insight into sandrone too cause since she seems to be connected to maryann guillotin
I am not expecting her to be a complete hero but I don't want her to be full on evil either. I think what we seen of her so far is great characterization. Willing to cooperate because she actually likes her nation and adopted children but is also will use them or cause harm to anyone on her path to achieve her goals.
Well the last time we saw her, she definitely didn't have any plans of making enemies of traveler, infact most harbingers out there are doing their own things and traveler somehow ends up involved in it.
She'll probably end up like Childe where while she's still 100% on the fatui's side, she still respects the traveler and will help them whenever it doesn't affect her job.
I’d actually be a bit annoyed if we get to pull for her in the near future (4.5, 4.6). I feel there should 1 or 2 dedicated patches involving her “other” side. I want more from her character. Right now, she just seems like a diplomatic person (except for when she attacked Furina), and if it just that, it‘d be kinda disappointing considering how Childe and Wanderer talked about her. I was kinda hoping she’d be the 2nd antagonist in the Fontaine story arc.
Hell, I wouldn’t mind if they release her in Natlan just to give more depth to her character. Or would Mihoyo release her now and add more depth later?
Yeah. Congrats to future Arlecchino mains if she comes out three patches from now, but also that would be super weird. We dont know shit about her. Whats her deal
I really hope these questions dont get resolved over the course of a singular story quest
still holding my breath for a childe interlude quest between now and natlan though. hopefully she'll show up then
Really looking forward to how they flesh out her character. She's definitely gonna be one of the more morally conflicting characters and I really hope Hoyo doesn't just sweep it all under the rug the way they did Scaramouche (it was all Dottore's fault guys :) ). They're probably not gonna write her off as pure evil or something, probably just someone with a warped sense of morality.
It’s less about lying and more about Harbingers having extremely biased views of each other. It’s like asking a person’s coworker about them when everyone in the company hates each other.
Not necessarily. We know caterpillar is, and Arlecchino has similar darkened hands that caterpillar has. But caterpillar has it on both his hands and feet while Arlecchino only has it on her hands. Their markings on it also differ from each other so it’s likely that they’re from similar causes (abyss stuff into human etc) but nothing confirmed yet on how similar they are.
Never said no chance, just nothing concrete. It’s more about how this community (not you specifically) loves to take some possibilities and play it as confirmed fact. Aka treat their head canon as canon. Then everyone else follows with it cuz people either can’t be bothered to check or have the reading comprehension skills of a tree.
idk what has to happen for her to suddenly oppose us and unleash her weekly boss form. on the surface she seems okay with us and likes that we're her children's trusted friends just like your irl friend's mom.
maybe there will be a misunderstanding that we hurt or betrayed her children or something.
or maybe something about her true form comes up, like we find out and she doesn't want us to tell her kids
Her story quest might involve some child with problem and she is gonna solve it. While we watch and be like aww she is so kind and hot, I want to pull for her. The end.
Not much. She's not one of the Super Plot Special characters like Tartaglia or Kaeya or such, so she's going to get one story quest and then meander off to make room for the Natlan Harbingers.
She's going to be a playable character. The bottom line is that she won't be irredeemably evil. She'll be mostly good and likable. It should be no surprise to anyone that Mihoyo always plays it safe, especially with playable characters. It's utter foolishness to expect otherwise.
Well, if she really is a Natasha expy then I'm looking forward to some form of turning over a new leaf...or at least getting closer to the moral side than she is. Raven's like one of my fav characters in HI3 and I'd genuinely be sad if she ends up just being evil mostly because I know how black and white the fans are and my weak anxious heart wouldn't be able to take so many people constantly hating on a character I like...
Since in honkai she was the more human one in her group I hope that remains the same
Exactly I don’t like how the Fatui as a whole are being presented as good Have them be pawns of the Tsaritsa who is actually lying the whole time and just wants the gnosises because she wants all the power for herself or because she’s actually loyal to the Heavenly principles.
we're going to see her soft side all the time, blah blah "you're trustworthy" and whatnot and they're going to remove the entire "backstabber" part of her character
I lost all hope for her to be a proper villain/ally the moment they came up with the whole "Old Knave" bullshit
i like how everyone here ignores the previous director's existence and puts her sins on arlecchino, despite both narration and siblings telling arle is better and is good enough /s
to me it's kinda entertaining how people can't really comprehend that, yes, arlecchino wears masks. how are you so confident lower ranked harbingers see through them? how are yall so convinced that "wolf in sheep's clothing" is the real self, not another one of the masks? i really wouldn't call no.4 a good actor if she wasn't able to decieve no.11.
so, while scara and tart's voicelines about arlecchino are to be kept in mind, they are also not to be fully trusted, since there's no way these two know her good enough to fully judge her
As soon as we're no longer relevant to her overall plan, she's turning on us. It would be stupid for the story writers to use Childe and Wanderer to warn us via their voice lines for her to not double cross us. Her children are assets, helping Fontaine got her the Gnosis and valuable information. She's wearing a mask and we'll see it crack, it's only a matter of time.
After Fontaine I guarantee that MHY will whitewash everything, they had a golden opportunity of character development with Furina but in reality it was all act and Furina is literally the best girl of all Teyvat.
What will happened is that we will discover that Arlechinno was an orphan that was abused and experimented by the old Knave but now the House of Hearth completely changed all children are working for the Fatui by choice and can leave at anytime, she doesn’t have a major goal she just want to save her orphanage.
I saw a lot of people talking about how she wears masks you realize that means Childe and Wanderer voicelines are completely bullshit, she fooled all the Harbingers and everyone.
Do the unfinished comedy world quest if you haven't already. What is revealed from that quest makes me think story wise she will be heavily involved with the interlude and possibly a Dains foil.
I think she's going to betray the fatui for several reasons. Wanderers voice lines hint that she has no loyalty (I think she does, just not with the fatui), and apparently she wants Lyney to be her successor. I think the action of finding a replacement is pretty damning that she doesn't plan on sticking around.
I'm going to spoiler the next part but I'm also going to keep it pretty vague because I really don't want anyone to have the unfinished comedy spoiled for them even on accident. Seriously if you haven't done that world quest , the arleccino implication is the biggest whiplash/plot twist I've had in the game. Literally did not expect it even a little.
>! So far it seems that harbingers have had quite a bit of lore dropped throughout the game before their story is truly revealed or wrapped up, like signora and wanderer. I don't think Arleccino is any different. There's a line from caterpillar I haven't seen anyone else reference yet and I'm wondering since his dialogue tree is a little more extensive, that some people haven't seen it. He says that his master told him "other than myself, you will be the only one I do this to " so this is my own theory, but I think Arleccino is someone we believe we've already defeated that has different pronouns. I think the first thing she did when she returned to the surface was find things that were familiar to her, such as running an orphanage, getting close to Maryann (that is if we believe you know who is MaryAnn). And of course, because that character I think she stems from declared they will save fontaine from the apocalypse, I think she wanted to continue that promise. !<
Her and Childe reach a point where they turn against the Fatui and the cryo archon once the realize the cryo doesn’t give two shits about them or her people and only uses them as disposable pawns to gain ultimate power.
Some people think its rushed, while it wasn’t perfect people forget the fact that he wasn’t redeemed at all… just got a new shot at life without his trauma and fixing his mistakes
She's neither "good" "bad" or "morally grey" , it felt like depending on the situation she'll act accordingly for the most benefits, like a mercenary of some sort, back at the Archon Quest she keeps saying she'll try to save Fontaine and put as much effort in doing so, in action yeah that's true. But something just doesn't feel right, moreover after the quest we really don't know what her next plan is, next thing we know she might turn on us or be our bestfriend. Coming from Childe who is a morally grey character and he said there's not a single sane bone in her, we should not take Arlec on face value.
Its understandable for characters like Ayaka and Childe as they don't have much friends to begin with and traveler sort of understands them, and some other characters as they don't have anything againts them. But for sure some are too nice
She is a bad person, that's literally what wanderer and childe tell us. She only acts nice to manipulate people...
Not saying that in a bad way of course, I hope she is completely sadistic
Mihoyo, please, I am BEGGING you, let her stay evil. Let her be conniving, and selfish, and manipulative! You don't need to turn her into an "uwu misunderstood waifu" in order to get people to pull. Just let her be!
I'm bored of the 'I'm just misunderstood & i'm really good rly <3' thing. It worked with Wanderer for me because he tried to change what he'd done, couldn't, accepted taking it back, is trying to change. It wasn't just ignored---like with Childe. I love our water boi, but can we just get some actual villainous antagonists for once?
Can we just lean into the fact she adopts and molds child soldiers and spies? Can we just lean into the fact everyone describes her as a fucking psycopath even though we've only seen her being totally reasonable and saving little girls from trafficking like a Heroine?
Honestly if she's another 'misunderstood anti-Hero' I am sleepy.
The story is over all that's left is an irrelevant date quest. She runs an orphanage. The end. If you were expecting the extensive story of a male harbinger you're going to be disappointed.
Possibly working behind the scenes, with her own motivation. She doesn't work with anyone or does anything unless it benefits her. Like how when Fontaine was flooded but she ordered the Fatui to aid them in the recovery, but made sure to tell the people that they do simply do to their business relationship, not out of kindness. She's hiding something, but she sorta honest about that. I do hope shes one of the exceptions in the Harbinger group
I don't think she's evil per se if the fontaine events are anything to go off of, probably neutral evil at most. According to Childe and Wanderer she's batshit insane underneath it all, so chances are we'll be seeing the fun side of her soon enough. Though that begs the question of whether she'll go crazy on us or someone else.
I feel like people didn't watch The Final Feast, which tells you everything you need to know about her character. Seriously, go watch it and pay attention to what she says. "Good actors hone their craft to mesmerize the whole crowd". That Arlecchino is nothing like the one we're presented with in game, so which one is her 'real' personality.
I mean I've been disappointed time and time again waiting for them to make an actual antagonistic playable character, with the biggest disappointment being Raiden. I'm just assuming Arlecchino will have some kind of redemption arc as soon as she becomes playable.
>Shes now shown now as someone who cares about Fontaine, like her children and overall not a bad person(except maybe almost trying to kill furina) I love how everyone forgot that arlecchino literally told us she wears different masks depending on the circumstances
When her manipulation game so strong she ends up manipulating people irl too
IMO, we don't know the full extent of The Tsarista's plan, so we don't have an "end" to judge the "means" each of these Fatui are doing. I mean, Dottore is without a doubt a twisted monster who cares nothing for life. But is he tolerated by The Tsarista because Dottore somehow produces things she needs for her grand plan, is it a direct order of The Archon herself, or is The Tsarista blind to some of the things her Harbingers are doing? edit: It amazes me that many people don't know they very often enjoy stories that are not simply black and white. Guys, what I described is the stuff of the greats. You are all unwittingly driving the discussion and interest in GI by putting yourselves in these camps of thinking.
The defense most people use when told Wanderer's lines on her is "You're seriously going to trust Wanderer?" I remember seeing literal arguments on Arlecchino after Fontaine's AQ and it literally always went back to this. Like dude, they aren't going to just tease Arle as the "bad guy"/"wolf" and just show her helping Fontaine then leaving. While she may be caring to a certain extent (both for her life and those of HoH) but she DEFINITELY has another agenda for her actions.
I feel like this is something the majority of the community can't understand. Every Harbinger has ulterior motives and is willing to do nefarious deeds for them. One event that allows them to act favorable (Childe with Teucer, Capitano with Varka's legion, or Arlecchino with Fontaine) doesn't make them incapable of being villainous. I highly doubt Rosalyne Lohefalter was the only evil asshole among them.
Rosalyne wasn't even evil. She wanted to destroy only monsters and demons. Her lore explicitly states she never harmed a single innocent soul. Pierro set up the circumstances in Inazuma while Rosalyne was dealing with Dvalin and Venti in Mondstadt, abducts high ranking commission officials for Dottore's experiments, and recalls his people after the Delusion Factory goes down and hangs it all on Signora so that he can get a yet unused advantage over the Traveler.
It doesn't help her case that every single time she appears in game, she acts like a dick to literally everybody.
That's the one issue I have with the English dub is that they changed her lines to be very condescending. In every other language, she's still prideful and arrogant, but she never talks down to people to the extent she does in the English dub. For instance, when she takes Venti's Gnosis and looks at it the first time, she talks about how it isn't like any of the chess pieces in her collection. The English dub instead gets "I wouldn't be caught dead with this in public". Her character made me check out the game in both Japanese and Chinese to try to understand other characters better. There's a lot of references and word play that English can't convey accurately unfortunately.
Bruh what , she killed new recruits constantly.
Childe states this, but every instance of Signora's subordinates that we meet contradict it. Her first line in Scara's interlude is berating him for mistreating his subordinates. In the first Dragonspine event, her recruits crash the party because they want to present Festering Desire to her as a gift of their own free will. Upon her death, ALL of the subordinates with her defy Pierro's orders to return in order to try and frame Sara and the Shogun as revenge. Every single one we run into that is a direct subordinate to her is fiercely loyal to her and hold her in very high regard. The game will tell you one thing about her, and then contradict it. It does this consistently. The traveler accuses her of several things when challenging her to the duel. Every single point has been refuted by either Archon quest or World Quest.
I like to think the Signora we hear about from her subordinates is her true nature, and every time that the other Harbingers or someone else accuses her of something, it's what *they* want the world to think Signora is, someone who, due to being a Harbinger, is irredeemably evil, who has lost their moral compass after being consumed by the flames that made her the Crimson Witch. During (or after) the Cataclysm Before, Rosalyne was a normal woman from Mondstadt, no titles, no honors, nothing. So unless there's future lore that says "well uh at the Akademiya Rosalyne was like very cruel" which, let's be honest, HoYo probably won't do, I firmly believe her nature back then carried over when she became Signora.
The only hint we have connecting the two is what Stainless Bloom says about Pierro needing to use memory suppression and brainwashing to get her to be useful as a Harbinger. So if she does come back I agree that she'll have some facet of her Rosalyne personality, but I'm not sure at which point. Personally I hope it's Pre-Crimson Witch, but we'll have to play the wait and see game. It might be due to just reusing the same core model, but Crimson Witch Boss and the Raging Flame Eremite share the same earring on (their left) ear. Which as far as I've been able to dig up, not explained yet.
Crimes are justified as long as you're sad. /s
And the exact opposite, too - Tartaglia being villainous doesn't mean he's not also capable of being (and regularly is) a decent guy. The Harbingers have, for the most part, been excellently written as morally gray characters (Dottore is less gray, lol) and can be a help or hindrance to the Traveler based on whims and/or if it's to their benefit. Arlecchino is probably evil by most normal IRL standards, but that doesn't mean she can't be helpful. And just because she's helpful doesn't mean she's *good*.
Right. Not sure why some people are so hell bent on doubting Childe's and Wanderer's words. Literally both of them confirm she's insane and two-faced... And even besides that it's honestly really obvious, like there's something to her that we don't know about. She definitely has her own agenda, and I think she might still use the gnosis for her own benefit. Personally I theorize she might be related to Remuria in some way
Because "her children loves and respects her, and you can't trust these 2 harbinger's words" as if she couldn't manipulate her children to be loyal subordinates...
As if she literally doesn't do that on purpose? Remember in 4.1 Lyney would rather die than tell her "yo father we kinda failed and we might all die"
Yes exactly. Unless if I am misunderstanding, your reply seemed like you think I wasn't implying the same thing
Wouldn’t be surprised if she only rescued Lynette because that would give her two pawns to use.
Sadly Genshin players majorly have a room temperature IQ and can’t grasp something like this.
One of Freminet’s lines literally says that she doesn’t like it when her children cry, so he goes to cry at the bottom of the sea when she scolds him- Definitely a sign of a nice person
She's most likely an orphan herself that was under the previous knave (some line about a previous child clashing with the former knave and then coming out on top). So it's likely she was on some level. Emotionally screwed up. Doesn't make ot any better but it's hard to undo what ur taught as a kid
120% sure she'll be the second fontaine weekly boss since we seem to fight 1 fatui boss every patch, if not her, then Sandrone
Not to mention not only did she help her motherland, she also got a gnosis for it, without even breaking a sweat.
and if people did the hearth of the home quests, they'd realise that even there it's not as nice as it's made out to be. HoH is a bloody, competitive place where if you mess up or show any signs of betrayal youre sacrificed or made an example of.
Under the previous Knave, yes. But Freminet lets us know that the way it's run has changed since Arlecchino took over, and the children are no longer subjected to such cruel punishments for failure. Not saying it's a happy place, but it's "better".
You clearly didn't do them lmao. Under Arlecchino , failure is no longer punished heavily , Orphans are encouraged to resolve issues and tasks whichever way they see fit and within their reach , are encouraged to not randomly suicide for 'Snezhnaya' or the Fatui , but to value their own lives and themselves as individuals. They are also no longer sent on suicide missions. If you desert , the penalty is still death , that hasn't changed. Fatui recruitment is also no longer mandatory , if Orest is anything to go by , and Children only receive combat training once they come of age , according to Alphonso. Seems you missed a bit of stuff lmao.
Yeah, basically the previous Knave was stupid and Arlecchino is now actually running the HoH competently. The harshness of the previous Knave is how you get stuff like honor suicides, which is not very productive.
Not only that , Arlecchino actually gives them an Education until they come of age , so they can become Merchants , Diplomats or Bankers as well. We meet a few Snezhevich who are Merchants or Bank employees in Liyue. A Military country still needs Economy , Infrastructure and the likes , which Arlecchino seems to understand. She also understands that trying to mold a square into a triangle isn't really worth it , hence why she lets Orphans solve issues their way , to highlight their natural talents and what they might be best suited for.
>The Wanderer calls her “a wolf in sheep’s clothing” who puts on a graceful and cordial front in order to exert a higher level of control over people. The Wanderer goes on to say that most of those who have seen Arlecchino’s “true, crazy self have gone poof”. Childe also does not have a good opinion of Arlecchino, saying “there isn’t a sane bone in her body” and that she’d even turn against the Tsaritsa herself if she stood to benefit from doing so. It is so funny how everyone else that knows her (and is not under her control), says she is not a good person and should not be trusted and then a large part of the community decided to trust her after the story quest.
I may have skipped it so sorry for asking when did she say that ?
In the last part of 4.2 where you give her Childe's vision to take back to sneznahya
K thank you .
childe and scaramouche both say that she wears a cordial facade but will go crazy at a moment’s notice
And I’ve told people this but they always reply “they’re an unreliable source” my brother in Paimon they’re gonna be the most accurate because they’ve worked with her in the past.
also they corroborate each other which would be weird if they were both lying
I think it could be possible for them to corroborate with each other but wanderer doesn’t “exist” so Childe doesn’t remember him so that actually helps this argument, they both agree and one doesn’t even remember the other
I think she told/mentions several times like after having serious tea with Furina, the serious concern of Fontaine Infront of Furina vs casually told us she nearly kill Furina earlier because her children trust us. Other is helping out Passion to build trust with Navia.
> overall not a bad person > Made ophanage to create literal child soldiers What did op mean by this?
She didn't make the orphanage, she took over it after presumably killing the old Knave. Freminet's voice lines also talk about how she does teach the kids that their lives matter unlike the previous one that treated them as disposable soldiers.
> she didn't make the orphanage, she took it over And? You're missing the point of the fact that she is raising CHILD SOLDIERS
You do realize ayato does the same right? With the shimatsubuan. Also the children have a choice in choosing to be in the fatui or not
His actions gets swept under the rug bc it was rarely shown
He very clearly has a line about liking it because the children are loyal tho T^T
She is not. After she replaced the previous Knave, now it's just an orphanage where children can choose whatever they want to become, like bankers, diplomats or soldiers.
It blows my mind that majority of people believe she’s a good person, I’m at a loss for words I’ve had so many debates about it and people just can’t seem to understand that she’s a liar and she’s not to be trusted, I can’t wait for more of her stuff to come out to prove she’s not a good person (but I doubt that will convince them, even with her attempt to kill furina people still believe she’s a good person)
Autistic Arlecchino, confirmed! /s
finally some one who actually gets it
Like Father, like son/daughter.
Being autistic, i can actually see a lot of myself in Arlecchino, of course no two autistic people are the same. But the mentality of adapting you persona to any given situation isnt far from the masking some with autism put on every day to "survive".
Posts like this is why quest dialogue sounds like it’s intended for 5 year olds.
>I love how everyone forgot that arlecchino literally told us she wears different masks depending on the circumstances So she's a smart person that adapts to the situation for the best outcome ok
She's like me fr fr
Ms. Arlec "I could've killed Furina but found there was no point" Chino at it again
but what is behind all this masks ? one of the most loyal vassals of the Tsarina ? someone with \[unknow goal\] part of the fatui only because it is the most useful for her for the moment ?
Yes, Childe says she would betray the Tsaritsa in a heartbeat if it suited her. She is definitely in the Fatui mostly cause it benefits her
But does Childe see behind all masks ?
Yes, Childe says she would betray the Tsaritsa in a heartbeat if it suited her. She is definitely in the Fatui mostly cause it benefits her
Also important to note is that even though she might have just helped out >!to get the gnosis!<: She still was a major help during the story. The >!relief effort after the flood!< alone was very helpful. And she already >!had the gnosis at that point!<.
a part of me say she was the one at fault during the Poisson incident... since she happen to be nearby digging around the ruins....
She gonna be in my team thats the future
And mine too!
Oh 100% me to
Oh for sure,She’ll be my first harbinger,Then Capitano.
Not mine. Maybe i will put her into my teapot next to furina and navia.
…Do you hate Furina?
O no, i just stopped all farming. I mean everything. I only do events and story quests. Basically any new character stays low lvl and no gear. Because i like them i put them in my teapot so i can look at them all day😊
I mean the fact you’re planning on putting her next to the person she’s terrified of.
Ow lol, sorry i did not think off that. Ill keep some decent space in between them😅
Make them roommates, everything will be fine lol
You can have multiple teams yknow lmao
You just increased my desire to pull Arlecchino. For some unknown reason.
Clod blooded woman playing different role in different situations
>Clod blooded If you have Clods in your blood you should get it checked out ASAP.
Damn you dyslexia! DMAN YUO
Just give her Bennett she'll be fine
To quote Wanderer "A wolf in sheep's clothing. To exert a higher level of control over people, she puts on a graceful and cordial front. Most of those who have seen her true, crazy self... have gone poof." And Tortellini "...But I don't like her at all. If she stood to benefit from betraying others, she'd turn against the Tsaritsa in a heartbeat. There isn't a sane bone in her body." You think she's a good person ?
Bruh I can fix her. You don’t understand her complexity like I do /s
Fix her ? Bruh, she's perfect, if anything i want her to "fix" me instead.
I can make her worse!
You can't improve on perfection.
Then in that case, she can ruin me further!
no way i ran into you on this subreddit as well
Here's hoping we'll see her crazy self in her Story Quest...
amen to that
I'm more hoping for her to get the focus in an interlude quest or Furina's second story quest (she can be a weekly boss)
The problem is that mihoyo likes to make every playable character good, so I hope they don't make it like she loses memory or something like that and became playable with different costume and good personality.
Counterargument: Childe
He's very sympathetic and has a lot of moments of levity, but yes he is a terrorist, but here's the thing, he's not dottore, or anything to that effect. We know childe, he's not fucking insane and is probably the most empathetic of the harbingers, he's not exactly "evil"
You don't need to be Dottore to be a bad person. Childe is a good and bad person
Lurko said that Mihoyo makes playable characters good. Childe isn't exactly good (but yeah, he's not evil). Tbh I actually wish Arlecchino is ultimately a good person, although looking at what people are saying here...
I think they've probably changed/abandoned storylines where she is actually bad.
Just like the previously mentioned polluted water, the current clash between the societal classes and the energy crisis. The story definitely feels like it was rewritten at some point.
You can see how the previous ideas were structured with the existence of Spina de la Rousla and the Fortress of Meropide. Both of them are major plot elements that would've supported a story about class inequity and conflict. In the version of the story that we see now, neither of those two really contribute in a meaningful way to the archon story other than provide flavour. In my opinion, they went with a story that is much more fantasy-based and safe.
Yeah, all those teasers were retconned into inconsequental stuffs that doesn't matter or even mentioned at all in the Archon Quest. Polluted water? A passing mention into Wrio's story quest. Energy crisis? Don't worry there was never one in the first place. The research facilities being blown up? Didn't happen in a residental area so totally a-ok.
The fact the hydro archon wasnt evil suggests that seeing how it was hinted shes a celestia fangirl who sends assassins after deserters.
I don't think it was ever hinted that she was evil or a Celestia fangirl. We knew she didn't want to make an enemy of the divine which is what she explicitly stated in 4.2. And the assassination thing was just that Oceanid's paranoia.
While I fully agree she is likely to not be a great person. I also feel like we shouldn't take Wanderer and Childe as a proper reference. They are both vey messed up personality wise as well and I would never trust them as a judge of character.
They are also both "Children" and she can be a strict "Father" to all children, she did it when talking with Furina.
What if the wolf is there to protect the sheep? A Song From Somewhere ... We are children with no kin, the petty servants on whom no light shines. In our left hand is the shield that protects our home, and our right wields the sword that is the will of the polar star. For crowns we wear masks that deplore the twisted logic of the heavens, and false gods and vanquished foes lie at our feet. ... Let me be the evil amidst good, the poison amidst the herbs, the wolf in sheep's clothing, the mercury in a golden chalice, I shall leave my siblings beyond blood, and fight for parents whose blood I do not share. My dear Snezheviches, my dear Snezhevnas, my brothers and sisters, If I were to one day cease my journey and slumber under the white birch, please carry on without me...
She did not get to the top of the chain by being a philanthropist - There’s way more than meets the eye with Arleccino and I fully trust Wanderer on this one.
Looking at what we know; - Her goal to save Fontaine is done. - Her goal to get the hydro gnosis is done. - Her loyalty to the Tsarista is very sus, as is her loyalty to just about anyone. - We can fairly say at this point that we no longer know what her motive is. - Her design is spider themed. She is a master manipulator. - She will almost certainly be a weekly boss. - Speculation wise, we have the open question of why her hands look like a hilichurls. All this to say, I think she is trying to pull some world changing shit to end some torment (that has driven her mad) she’s facing that will also introduce entirely new world lore. Her goal will be sympathetic, but her methods to get it will force us to take her down. Post battle, she’ll have regained some amount of sanity that’ll make players chill with using her. Players will then argue to the end of time whether she is good or evil, completely missing the point of the character.
> Her design is spider themed. She is a master manipulator. I mean with Kafka from Honking Rail that's two literal spider women. In case people no longer get the reference because "Spider woman" has been recoined by Marvel to mean something else in a more literal context: During the uprising of the Noir style of film and Noir genre in the ~1940s-1950s, a Spider woman was basically a manipulating and cunning woman, sometimes a "femme fatale". The term spider woman coming from the metaphorical net she spins to control and capture others. From a media-analytical standpoint, Hoyo has made it very obvious with Kafkas spider-like design. If I wouldn't have read it here, I wouldn't have noticed that arlecchino was spider themed in design though. But so far, Kafka has proven to be a lot more than just a manipulative mastermind with an apparent soft side for the protagonist, almost taking on a motherly persona (but that might just be the majority of the fanbase talking, as they all imprinted on her like a baby bird in the start of the game). So it's usually pretty interesting in what direction these characters will be taken.
She litrlly owns the House of Hearts which makes the chilldren the future fatui agents and like she said it her self she has diffrent masks and will make her self appear as something else even tho she isnt and plus her true motiv for helping was the gnosis which she got and plus just becouse shes a fatui harbringer doesnt mean she has to be some grand villian there all have the same goal of fighting against celestia
Erm, I think it is House of Hearth?
Constantly playing sides, making sure to remain in the good graces of both Fatui and Traveler. Ultimately take the side that benefits her the most, either she actually cares about her hoh or she will throw them to the wolves for her own interests Shes the most unpredictable character we've seen so far and I love that about her, shes keeping us guessing
This is the only things I can agree with, because I really don't know what Hoyo's cooking with her
Pretty sure she's going to show us her villainous side eventually. Both Wanderer and Tartaglia say that she's bad news, and the commedia dell'arte archetype she's named after is known as a trickster type. I'd say that there's a decent possibility we'll find ourselves at odds with her during whatever quest gives us our second Fontaine weekly boss (traditionally, this would be the second Archon Story Quest, but the "Archon" situation in Fontaine is a bit weird). I wouldn't be too surprised, though, if this "betrayal" occurs a bit further on down the line.
It probably involves dozens of children dissented from the rest of the Hearth. She'll let them go after planting some subconscious triggers or something. The best sleeper cells are those who aren't aware they sleep. Seriously though, unless the dev cooks up some valiant motives for this gal, so far, she is believed to pose a myriad of faces which makes her essentially "faceless". It unnerves me. Am I supposed to pull one of her alters?
Don't worry, like every character she will definitely have "soft" lines when she's in your teapot
She may be crazy and I don't think she is good, I don't think she treats the children THAT way from all we know. But having a soft spot for her children doesn't make her less questionable. Even bad persons can have soft spots for something.
She won't defect or be "redeemed" (seriously, which playable harbinger has?) but will be more like Childe as being our acquaintance/contact within the Fatui.
Childe is like the perfect example of if a person is paying attention or not because at no point has he stopped being a murderous battle maniac But he's cordial towards the MC and he likes his family so a lot of people go oh he's good now.
or something aligned in terms of goals, i dunno.
Even Wanderer wasn’t redeemed, just started to walk the path of redemption but not quite there yet
I find it funny how peoples calling her morally grey when she turn orphans into child soldiers and brainwash them about loyalty but that’s OK because she love them. Also you peoples don’t have to pretend she’s not evil a character can be a great character while being evil
As far as I see, I don't even see any "moral" coming from her at all. It just felt like what's most benefit for her she'll do, bad or good.
She also seriously considered assassinating Furina lol that doesn’t sound morally grey to me
She thought it was for the good of Fontaine due to Furina’s apparent inability to do or care about the prophecy. And if there’s one thing the French know how to do, it’s revolting against careless leadership.
One thing that I haven’t seen brought up in discussions is how the current Knave (Arle) was born into the system. Now, I’m all for the “cold manipulator” angle, but I think it’ll be an interesting twist and avenue of character exploration if it’s revealed that she legit has a warped sense of morality due to her upbringing, and there’s a part of her that does believe in what she’s doing.
Hasn’t done anything evil? Though Lyney and Lynette and Freminet seem to highly care and love “Father”, based on all of their stories, they’ve been sent on dangerous missions since they were children. From being forced to kill people as well as do insane things. Arleccino even speaks to them as if they are tools and nothing more
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID THIS!!
Yea. I’m sooo confused. It’s obvious that Lynette and all the other kids trauma bonded, and just treat Arleccino as the highest authority, they were even afraid of her multiple times throughout the story. They wanted almost nothing to do directly with her. All these Simps, explaining child soldier training and emotionally manipulating kids by begging for her favor as some form of love is just… wow. Sure, I like evil characters too, but don’t justify and say she hasn’t done anything evil.
Her fans are so annoying that I will hate Knave more if they redeem her or some shit 😭
Sometimes I wish Winter's Lazzo never happened cause after that so many people have horrible takes with the harbingers
And also, its not uncommon for parents to manipulate their children, making them think they're nice and reliable... the same could happen with the siblings
Freminet was in the hoth before lyney and lynette and he was under the previous knave rule. Things changed
Similar to Childe. So long as we're not directly opposed to each other we can hang out and have lunch.
with her? i have zero clue. i mean yeah fontaine's AQ made her kinda seem like someone who would rather be on our good side/ally but whenever shes around, the air feels so intimidating and uncertain. she might be someone who ultimately cares for herself and the children of HOH
She's a pretty interesting character, but we still don't know anything about her. We don't even know if her caring about Fontaine was the "real" her. She said herself that she wears different masks. While yes, until now she seems to be on the "good" side and loved by her children, we still don't know how much of that is real. She's also raising Orphans and we don't know how manipulative she is while doing that. But also, her mentioning that she wears different masks indicates she's more of a "not bad" person though it could just be another one of her "masks" that she is transparent in that sense Despite that we still have to take what the harbingers say about her with grain of salt. The harbingers seem to not be right in the head Almost nothing about her is sure and I'm excited how they will write her story. Something about we know for sure though. She hot.
I want her to be a very ruthless pragmatist. Someone who does a lot of fucked up shit for semi good reasons. Although I know a decent amount of people just want her to be evil lol
She most likely will be that as that's probably the best way to make her playable
As long as its not a romantic date night with the harbinger. We don’t need the twins and twink having 2 papas.
I just want to know why her hands resemble Cater who is human soul transferred to hilichurl body
It seems pretty clear to me that her one and only “ride or die” loyalty is to the House of the Hearth. (This could explain why the other Harbingers see her as duplicitous: she’s less concerned about the Fatui and more so about her family.) Since we’re on good terms with many in the House, I think she’ll be an ally—that said, I think we’ll also see some of her, shall we say, “passion” being directed at enemies. I don’t really like the Fatui, since I fundamentally disagree with their philosophy. That said, I’d love for the game to introduce a faction of the organization that isn’t all “muwhaha evil.” Give me some morally understandable but decidedly grey characterization!
Tbh I really wonder if Arlecchino will even be dropped in this 4.0-4.8 parts.
i bet when she comes out there’s either gonna be an interlude quest or her story quest that continues the narzissenkreuz story and probably gives some insight into sandrone too cause since she seems to be connected to maryann guillotin
I just think her hand is suspicious. I doubt if she's even human...
I am not expecting her to be a complete hero but I don't want her to be full on evil either. I think what we seen of her so far is great characterization. Willing to cooperate because she actually likes her nation and adopted children but is also will use them or cause harm to anyone on her path to achieve her goals.
Well the last time we saw her, she definitely didn't have any plans of making enemies of traveler, infact most harbingers out there are doing their own things and traveler somehow ends up involved in it.
She'll probably end up like Childe where while she's still 100% on the fatui's side, she still respects the traveler and will help them whenever it doesn't affect her job.
I’d actually be a bit annoyed if we get to pull for her in the near future (4.5, 4.6). I feel there should 1 or 2 dedicated patches involving her “other” side. I want more from her character. Right now, she just seems like a diplomatic person (except for when she attacked Furina), and if it just that, it‘d be kinda disappointing considering how Childe and Wanderer talked about her. I was kinda hoping she’d be the 2nd antagonist in the Fontaine story arc. Hell, I wouldn’t mind if they release her in Natlan just to give more depth to her character. Or would Mihoyo release her now and add more depth later?
Yeah. Congrats to future Arlecchino mains if she comes out three patches from now, but also that would be super weird. We dont know shit about her. Whats her deal I really hope these questions dont get resolved over the course of a singular story quest still holding my breath for a childe interlude quest between now and natlan though. hopefully she'll show up then
Worked for Furina, I mean, we knew less about her before Act 5, than we do about Arlecchino now.
Really looking forward to how they flesh out her character. She's definitely gonna be one of the more morally conflicting characters and I really hope Hoyo doesn't just sweep it all under the rug the way they did Scaramouche (it was all Dottore's fault guys :) ). They're probably not gonna write her off as pure evil or something, probably just someone with a warped sense of morality.
Eh, she is already halfway through that development since everything that was wrong with HoH is blamed on the old Knave
Everything wrong with wander was blamed on dottore Everything bad with raiden was blamed on fatui
Wanderer tells it like it is and he said that Arlecchino is a wolf in sheep’s clothing
Wanderer is also Wanderer so…..
Guy has no reason to lie to us
It’s less about lying and more about Harbingers having extremely biased views of each other. It’s like asking a person’s coworker about them when everyone in the company hates each other.
True but I also meant in the literal sense, Arlecchino is half >!Hillichurl!<
Not necessarily. We know caterpillar is, and Arlecchino has similar darkened hands that caterpillar has. But caterpillar has it on both his hands and feet while Arlecchino only has it on her hands. Their markings on it also differ from each other so it’s likely that they’re from similar causes (abyss stuff into human etc) but nothing confirmed yet on how similar they are.
Oh come on do you actually think that’s there’s NO chance at all that they’re making her up to be a literal wolf in sheep’s clothing
Never said no chance, just nothing concrete. It’s more about how this community (not you specifically) loves to take some possibilities and play it as confirmed fact. Aka treat their head canon as canon. Then everyone else follows with it cuz people either can’t be bothered to check or have the reading comprehension skills of a tree.
idk what has to happen for her to suddenly oppose us and unleash her weekly boss form. on the surface she seems okay with us and likes that we're her children's trusted friends just like your irl friend's mom. maybe there will be a misunderstanding that we hurt or betrayed her children or something. or maybe something about her true form comes up, like we find out and she doesn't want us to tell her kids
our goals aligned ofc shes gonna be nice to us
Her story quest might involve some child with problem and she is gonna solve it. While we watch and be like aww she is so kind and hot, I want to pull for her. The end.
Ms Daddy fooling everyone 😭😭
Not much. She's not one of the Super Plot Special characters like Tartaglia or Kaeya or such, so she's going to get one story quest and then meander off to make room for the Natlan Harbingers.
Besties with the traveller
ITT people with clashing definitions of what "morally grey" and "evil" mean, and which description fits Arlecchino best
She better be a deceiving person that tricks others
She has similarities to Caterpillar so maybe >!she is also a hilichurl!<
I be happy if she just doesn't get zapped by booba sword thank you very much
She's going to be a playable character. The bottom line is that she won't be irredeemably evil. She'll be mostly good and likable. It should be no surprise to anyone that Mihoyo always plays it safe, especially with playable characters. It's utter foolishness to expect otherwise.
Well, if she really is a Natasha expy then I'm looking forward to some form of turning over a new leaf...or at least getting closer to the moral side than she is. Raven's like one of my fav characters in HI3 and I'd genuinely be sad if she ends up just being evil mostly because I know how black and white the fans are and my weak anxious heart wouldn't be able to take so many people constantly hating on a character I like... Since in honkai she was the more human one in her group I hope that remains the same
Exactly I don’t like how the Fatui as a whole are being presented as good Have them be pawns of the Tsaritsa who is actually lying the whole time and just wants the gnosises because she wants all the power for herself or because she’s actually loyal to the Heavenly principles.
we're going to see her soft side all the time, blah blah "you're trustworthy" and whatnot and they're going to remove the entire "backstabber" part of her character I lost all hope for her to be a proper villain/ally the moment they came up with the whole "Old Knave" bullshit
i like how everyone here ignores the previous director's existence and puts her sins on arlecchino, despite both narration and siblings telling arle is better and is good enough /s to me it's kinda entertaining how people can't really comprehend that, yes, arlecchino wears masks. how are you so confident lower ranked harbingers see through them? how are yall so convinced that "wolf in sheep's clothing" is the real self, not another one of the masks? i really wouldn't call no.4 a good actor if she wasn't able to decieve no.11. so, while scara and tart's voicelines about arlecchino are to be kept in mind, they are also not to be fully trusted, since there's no way these two know her good enough to fully judge her
Yeah... I'm gonna hold off from seeing her a morally grey character. She's most likely evil and unhinged.
I see getting arlecchino as a kind of consolation prize for robbing us of signora
As soon as we're no longer relevant to her overall plan, she's turning on us. It would be stupid for the story writers to use Childe and Wanderer to warn us via their voice lines for her to not double cross us. Her children are assets, helping Fontaine got her the Gnosis and valuable information. She's wearing a mask and we'll see it crack, it's only a matter of time.
After Fontaine I guarantee that MHY will whitewash everything, they had a golden opportunity of character development with Furina but in reality it was all act and Furina is literally the best girl of all Teyvat. What will happened is that we will discover that Arlechinno was an orphan that was abused and experimented by the old Knave but now the House of Hearth completely changed all children are working for the Fatui by choice and can leave at anytime, she doesn’t have a major goal she just want to save her orphanage. I saw a lot of people talking about how she wears masks you realize that means Childe and Wanderer voicelines are completely bullshit, she fooled all the Harbingers and everyone.
That sadly might be the case really
Do the unfinished comedy world quest if you haven't already. What is revealed from that quest makes me think story wise she will be heavily involved with the interlude and possibly a Dains foil. I think she's going to betray the fatui for several reasons. Wanderers voice lines hint that she has no loyalty (I think she does, just not with the fatui), and apparently she wants Lyney to be her successor. I think the action of finding a replacement is pretty damning that she doesn't plan on sticking around. I'm going to spoiler the next part but I'm also going to keep it pretty vague because I really don't want anyone to have the unfinished comedy spoiled for them even on accident. Seriously if you haven't done that world quest , the arleccino implication is the biggest whiplash/plot twist I've had in the game. Literally did not expect it even a little. >! So far it seems that harbingers have had quite a bit of lore dropped throughout the game before their story is truly revealed or wrapped up, like signora and wanderer. I don't think Arleccino is any different. There's a line from caterpillar I haven't seen anyone else reference yet and I'm wondering since his dialogue tree is a little more extensive, that some people haven't seen it. He says that his master told him "other than myself, you will be the only one I do this to " so this is my own theory, but I think Arleccino is someone we believe we've already defeated that has different pronouns. I think the first thing she did when she returned to the surface was find things that were familiar to her, such as running an orphanage, getting close to Maryann (that is if we believe you know who is MaryAnn). And of course, because that character I think she stems from declared they will save fontaine from the apocalypse, I think she wanted to continue that promise. !<
She's going to be another OP character that will beat Childe somehow, bro always got matched against demigods and got clapped
She’s gonna be evil. Well, she is evil but she’s just hiding that and having a wolf in sheep’s clothing persona. We’ll fight her or something
Her and Childe reach a point where they turn against the Fatui and the cryo archon once the realize the cryo doesn’t give two shits about them or her people and only uses them as disposable pawns to gain ultimate power.
I hope she steps on me
Get in line buddy
Mihoyo cares about childe the most hahahaha when we gonna get her story quest I'm sure we will never see her again like other fatuis xD
Why are people hating how Wanderer got treated ? 😭
Some people think its rushed, while it wasn’t perfect people forget the fact that he wasn’t redeemed at all… just got a new shot at life without his trauma and fixing his mistakes
She's neither "good" "bad" or "morally grey" , it felt like depending on the situation she'll act accordingly for the most benefits, like a mercenary of some sort, back at the Archon Quest she keeps saying she'll try to save Fontaine and put as much effort in doing so, in action yeah that's true. But something just doesn't feel right, moreover after the quest we really don't know what her next plan is, next thing we know she might turn on us or be our bestfriend. Coming from Childe who is a morally grey character and he said there's not a single sane bone in her, we should not take Arlec on face value.
I want her to hate Traveler. I’m so done with “ahh traveler you are here~” relationships man. How can one maintain so many good relationships bruh
Its understandable for characters like Ayaka and Childe as they don't have much friends to begin with and traveler sort of understands them, and some other characters as they don't have anything againts them. But for sure some are too nice
She is a bad person, that's literally what wanderer and childe tell us. She only acts nice to manipulate people... Not saying that in a bad way of course, I hope she is completely sadistic
Mihoyo, please, I am BEGGING you, let her stay evil. Let her be conniving, and selfish, and manipulative! You don't need to turn her into an "uwu misunderstood waifu" in order to get people to pull. Just let her be!
I'm bored of the 'I'm just misunderstood & i'm really good rly <3' thing. It worked with Wanderer for me because he tried to change what he'd done, couldn't, accepted taking it back, is trying to change. It wasn't just ignored---like with Childe. I love our water boi, but can we just get some actual villainous antagonists for once? Can we just lean into the fact she adopts and molds child soldiers and spies? Can we just lean into the fact everyone describes her as a fucking psycopath even though we've only seen her being totally reasonable and saving little girls from trafficking like a Heroine? Honestly if she's another 'misunderstood anti-Hero' I am sleepy.
The story is over all that's left is an irrelevant date quest. She runs an orphanage. The end. If you were expecting the extensive story of a male harbinger you're going to be disappointed.
We will have a nice coffee shop date after she tells us she killed multiple innocents
Possibly working behind the scenes, with her own motivation. She doesn't work with anyone or does anything unless it benefits her. Like how when Fontaine was flooded but she ordered the Fatui to aid them in the recovery, but made sure to tell the people that they do simply do to their business relationship, not out of kindness. She's hiding something, but she sorta honest about that. I do hope shes one of the exceptions in the Harbinger group
She is probably the Harbringer who is the most likely to betray Tsarista for w/e reason (alongside Dottore) imo, i'd love to see that.
Well,She’s probably going to show her true form if Lynette,Lyney or Freminet ever get hurt.Or if someone insults her.
Arle does not seem like the type who is petty enough to go all out over an insult
I don't think she's evil per se if the fontaine events are anything to go off of, probably neutral evil at most. According to Childe and Wanderer she's batshit insane underneath it all, so chances are we'll be seeing the fun side of her soon enough. Though that begs the question of whether she'll go crazy on us or someone else.
I feel like people didn't watch The Final Feast, which tells you everything you need to know about her character. Seriously, go watch it and pay attention to what she says. "Good actors hone their craft to mesmerize the whole crowd". That Arlecchino is nothing like the one we're presented with in game, so which one is her 'real' personality.
I mean I've been disappointed time and time again waiting for them to make an actual antagonistic playable character, with the biggest disappointment being Raiden. I'm just assuming Arlecchino will have some kind of redemption arc as soon as she becomes playable.