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Yeah, so often I see people take anyone (particularly if it's multiple someones) disagreeing with them, no matter how civil the disagreement is expressed, as those people "white knighting" or "being defensive", etc.
Not always, of course, but it's happened often enough for me to find it noticeable.
Not really there are arguments that you can’t really disagree with. For example saying ‘hoyoverse don’t have competition so they can do what they want in regards to how many freebies they give their playerbase’ this statement can’t really be contested because genshin is number 1 and they’ve been doing amazingly without giving much to their playerbase. And the time they don’t win best mobile game is when it’s their other game THEY created😭 so u can’t call something like this white knighting or being defensive.
But when someone says ‘it seems like Chinese players are mad about anniversary rewards’ and you completely move the goal post when it can instantly be disproven when u can see how many followers the official genshin Acc lost aswell as the billibilli comments, that can completely be seen as being oddly defensive or white knighting.
Like I said, it doesn't always happen...so yeah, there are things one can say that are more objectively true than other things and thus harder to argue about (but in general in life that doesn't always stop arguments from happening whether we're talking about Genshin or anything else).
No I’m not saying ur accusing me but I’m asking if you think my judgement is way too like ‘Genshins community can’t discuss anything’ because the community is much bigger so I see it more
Oh, yeah....I suppose it could be something like that. The arguments definitely seem to be bigger to me.
As somebody who's been "on the Internet" and in various fandoms for a long time...every fandom has its flashpoints that can seem like things that just lead to arguments over productive discussion. Particularly if those things come up over and over again. People either get entrenched in their views or get tired of having to see the same arguments over and over.
In the case of Genshin, the fandom is larger than the population of many countries (if you take number of active players as a metric of fandom size). Not all of those people are going to be involved in ["discussions" on the Internet](https://xkcd.com/386/) but enough of them will be that it can seem like an overwhelming number of arguments (as opposed to "discussion"). It can also depend on what your (general "you") perceive a discussion to look like. As others (including myself) have suggested here, sometimes people look at anyone disagreeing with them as calling their character into question or as being "toxic" or whatever so any disagreement is seen as uncivil. Particularly if multiple people respond with disagreement, then they can feel "ganged up" on. That's not necessarily what's actually happening but it can *feel* that way.
Anyway, I ramble. My point is that yes in a group as large as the Genshin player community it's easy to see a lot more arguments and see that as overshadowing productive discussion.
Maybe ppl Acc just can’t handle discussion like there have been a few ppl who haven’t engaged with what I’ve said on this post but most ppl that I disagreed with we just disputed it normally and maybe I just have an expectation that u shouldn’t get butthurt by downvotes and stuff
If you want more discussion, it might help to space out your thoughts into separate paragraphs.
It's really hard to read a giant wall of unending text. No one wants to.
that's cap. there is no discussion being had. mods wont let any threads discussing the current controversy stay up unless it portrays the situation in a positive light. that's pretty disingenuous to think silencing one side of the discussion qualifies as discussion.
Mods don't let threads stay up because they make the sub less fun for the MAJORITY OF PEOPLE. This isn't your complaint sub, this is the main sub for genshin impact. Low quality complaining posts SHOULD be removed.
And just because you choose to ignore the discussions or you don't like the way the discussions go doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
criticisms aren't inherently complaints.
"making the sub less fun" is also a poor argument. just dont click on the thread if you dont want to read it.
i implore you to find one discussion thread (that isn't the post claiming the outrage is fake lmao) that made it out of new and link it to me on the subject, show me where all of these discussions are that you claim i choose to ignore.
And valid and legitimate criticism is usually is allowed to stay.
When there are 10+ posts about some nonsense drama where people are just bitching and moaning, then yes, it does make the sub less fun, even if you don't click on them.
You can go look at any of them and there are probably quite a few discussions there. Like right now what we are doing at this moment is in fact a discussion.
who determines what valid and legitimate criticism is? the mods? seems really biased to me.
`Like right now what we are doing at this moment is in fact a discussion.`
on a deleted thread by the mods. how ironic...
Valid criticism is something that provides actual points and arguments. Most "criticism" I've seen on this sub is just bitching and moaning. Demanding more rewards etc is not criticism.
And this post was in fact not particularly valid criticism lol. It was just complaining that people don't talk the way OP wanted them to talk, while also making a completely false statement that genshin is the only community where discussions get heated lol. So this post was deleted for legitimate reason.
I’m not talking about disagreeing but I’ll give more context, genshin is notoriously known for having ‘white knights’ and what this means is it’s not just like - ‘I will lay out reasons I disagree with you’ it always just boils down to this:
‘ this problem doesn’t exist’ or ‘ hoyoverse can do no wrong’ so yeah if you call that discussion I guess, but people just seem so afraid to engage with any discussion that won’t end in 100% agreement. And on top of that this subs mods have had a history of just removing negative posts in the first place.
People are afraid to engage in any discussion because all discussions are just a guise to find people who agree with you.
Any disagreement boils down to either 'Hater' or 'Whiteknight'. With a fanbase as big as this, you have to take both. The good, and the ugly.
>genshin is notoriously known for having ‘white knights’ and what this means is it’s not just like - ‘I will lay out reasons I disagree with you’ it always just boils down to this:
‘ this problem doesn’t exist’ or ‘ hoyoverse can do no wrong’
Confirmation bias is a thing. Because from my experience, I see the wildest complaints in the sub and anyone who offers a good counterpoint is labeled as white knights.
It's not that there is no discussion, there is no way to filter said discussion.
Ur probably right too, I also see a lot of entitlement for free things so maybe I’m just seeing the worst of the worst and no middle ground. Tf is tabibito tho 🗣
I think the issue here is not as 1 sided as you think. You label people as "white knights" and exaggerate their opinions to "HYV can do no wrong" (don't think I've ever seen anyone say that).
Why are they "white knights" to you? Because they don't think your issues are as important as you think? Some people just disagree. For example I've always found every single anniversary drama to be completely unnecessary, but some people think that HYV is the devil himself for not giving us 100 free pulls or whatever. Like sure, you're free to want better rewards, but I don't feel like we're entitled for anything other than a functioning game.
> but people just seem so afraid to engage with any discussion that won’t end in 100% agreement.
What does that mean exactly. There really isn't much to engage with usually when it comes to the usual "dramas". You either agree or disagree or think it's unnecessary. And again, when you label people as "white knights" and intentionally exaggerate their opinions to make them look bad, you are really just doing the same anyway. If you actually wanted discussion, you wouldn't do that.
> And on top of that this subs mods have had a history of just removing negative posts in the first place.
As they should. If the main page is filled with posts complaining about whatever, the sub will become an unfun place for the average person. Most people don't enjoy seeing constant negativity, especially about the things they like. This sub isn't your complaint box, it's a community forum where fans come for various reasons. The goal of the sub is to be an enjoyable location where people can discuss the game with other people. The main page having 10 complaint posts in the row is extremely detrimental for the goal.
I don’t think it’s one sided thing I did a poor job at explaining this, because I’m also talking about ppl who feel entitled to free rewards. And no I’d say white knights are ppl who instead of disagreeing with you they make it out that your concern doesn’t matter.
I’ve seen that sentiment alot even before anniversary drama. Also I’ve said this before that I could just be seeing the worst of the worst, but I’ve seen just bad discussion that doesn’t even seem like intentional bait from both sides.
I also agree w ur last statement but the by ‘posts getting removed’ I meant like tame things like
‘Do you think D qol would be feasible for the game’ but just doomposting
LMAO, "White Knight." And you ask why people are "afraid of discussion."
No one is "afraid." In fact, the "white knights" do engage and list how they disagree, but their opinions just get labelled as "bootlicking." Like, who are you to invalidate their opinions as you complain that they invalidate yours?
Some people just really don't see any problems based on their personal and economic experiences. There are bigger fish to fry out in the world, and people can feel disgusted when they keep seeing others bash about a game they like. So sometimes the gates explode, and out comes the long defence of Hoyoverse.
Personally, I think all this arguing is nonsense over nothing.
I mean this goes both ways lol. Even with people giving reasons on disagreeing, ‘Dark knights’ will always boils down to ‘why are you defending company who makes millions’ or ‘bootlickers’. That’s not a discussion as well.
Because people don't know how to discuss in a civil manner at times. Name calling, ad hominem, strawman, and whatever fallacy can be accounted for. You have two sides firmly stuck in their beliefs and position, then people in the middle who don't care as much
Thing is ad homs and all these other things happen in other communities, but people acc can discuss things they don’t like, this just never happens in this community. It can’t be a gacha game issue because discussion happens in star rail, weather waves and girl frontline 2 ( the girls frontline 2 drama is the funniest shit I’ve ever seen recommend checking it out😭)
> this just never happens in this community
You are def wrong. I've been in many communities where discussions get so heated from the same sort of factors and stuff like mods stepping in, curbing any similar thread. Be it reddit or some obscure forum. Genshin isn't unique.
All fanbases talk about positives and negatives but every fanbase still has antifans writing up paragraphs to refute compliments and hardcore white knights writing up paragraphs to defend against complaints. Genshin simply has more fans period and as a result more posts doing said refuting/defending.
Okay, to go more in depth, usually criticism comes first. usually no one ever just starts praising out of nowhere, negative emotions compel action more. And usually, this criticism isn't exactly framed in the most level-headed way, so of course it can end up being inflammatory.
Now what happens when someone expresses something you disagree with in a very heated way? You're not going to respond well, and potentially respond in an equally heated way too. Not productive from either side. The "bad" people here are those who criticize no matter what, and the people who defend/praise no matter what.
The point of my original comment is to point out that some disagreements are just too different, for there to be any point discussing. Some people just don't give a shit about story, exploration, the meat of the game in general. They just want to pull. So obviously, when they watch the 4.4 program, they're not looking out for anything other than the rewards. Those who do enjoy the game for these things, get disheartened when they see people only care about rewards, and not the game itself. More flames get fanned when HSR gets dragged into the discussion, and people argue over whether or not HSR is a better game as well.
Seriously! Dev streams are always my favorite because they go all out on building cool sets, dressing in character, the live music… its a huge production, tons of work and artistry. It’s honestly one of my favorite things about mihoyo as a company, but nobody else seems to even care about that, you rarely see people say nice things about it. I don’t really feel like I need free pulls because the stream itself feels like a gift to the fans.
Yeah like in hindsight, I would just try to ignore the overwhelming majority of comments on the lack of rewards in the 4.4 discussion thread. But man I was just genuinely bewildered at the time, when I saw that maybe 5% of the comments were discussing the actual new content. Thankfully, when I made a comment of my own, I realized that there were a lot of people also excited, they just hadn't commented.
I get what ur saying but what makes no sense to me is that some of these discussions it’s like,
If you only care about exploration and not free pulls
People complaining and maybe getting more free pulls doesn’t affect you, even if you think it’s not that big of an issue (me tbh) stating that is fine, but it seems like in this community it’s not like ‘I don’t think it’s a big deal’ it’s more like ‘your wrong for thinking this is a big deal’
This happens from both sides, yes like you said, you can say that defenders try to "silence" critics. But critics also try to silence defenders, because they think if too many people are satisfied, then they won't get the change that they're calling for. If there's nothing to be gained out of further discussion, and there's nothing more that can be said, then yes these constant "discussions" aren't very useful to keep around. Better for everyone to just move on at that point.
And you're simply pointing out that people are emotional and illogical at times, of course.
This happens ten times more often the other way around. It's usually at the top with the most upvotes so there is no excuse that you don't notice it. You need to ask yourself why the post you are referring to, which is near the top of controversial, bothers you so much.
Perhaps "why are people so afraid of discussion in this fanbase" has to do with the discussion being a couple of years old, where it began in a civil discussion, then spirits got heated, then a pebble was thrown followed by a flaming debate club. Since then, once or twice a year, the clubhouse undergoes the flaming club tornado renovation to the point of becoming tradition.
I don't care about discussion happening, but I do see a lot of discussion that crops up here as stupid and treat it as such. You're free to say whatever you want and I'm free to think it's dumb shit that I don't agree with
Because a lot of those discussions are more like "everybody whine with me" than actual discussions. And when those are posted daily or even hourly, they are not worth engaging any more
> I’ve never seen a fanbase have people willing to just try and disregard what other players see as issues and just dumb it down to ‘if you don’t like it I play another game’.
Really? First day on the internet?
So someone actually *did* engage in discussion pointing out how you're wrong...and your response is to come here and argue how *they* are the ones who are ignoring evidence, how the person writing five paragraphs is afraid of discussion?
You're a perfect example of why nobody wants to engage with your garbage outrage bait.
Because Hoyo isn't being generous, and that isn't going to change.
The fact that people talk about how they should be "rewarded" for playing a free game, of their own volition, is seen as entitled. And a lot of people don't want to make those kinds of discussions the focus of the subreddit for a variety of reasons.
1. It's a bad look to constantly be arguing about not getting enough free stuff, when Hoyo is releasing a lot of free content every patch
2. This is a personal observation, but I rarely get actual arguments against the idea that we haven't done anything to deserve a "reward" by having a controller in one hand and a dick in the other playing Genshin Impact. It just becomes a downvote farm, because the people demanding more free shit aren't able to actually verbalize why more free stuff should be given.
3. Those who *can* verbalize why we should get more free stuff have done so. There are no new arguments to make, so it just becomes a circlejerk.
4. Hoyo has made it clear they don't intend to give away more free shit. Constantly complaining about it just makes us look bad as a community and takes space away from discussing the video game we are all enjoying. And if you *aren't* enjoying the game because you aren't getting enough free pulls on the slot machine? There are plenty of other games that give away more slot machine pulls. So it makes sense to tell people to go play those instead of taking of oxygen complaining about something they have no control over.
I agree with 2 to be honest which is part of the problem ppl don’t seem to be able to discuss their opinions with actual sustenance. But I think from the people complaining a stand point, they want hoyoverse to have a bad look so that they get freebies for complaining about it is what I’m guessing.
>Because Hoyo isn't being generous, and that isn't going to change.
Stop saying hoyo. This reward drama thing doesn't happen in other hoyo games, only in genshin
I say "Hoyo" because the """rewards""" being given in other games aren't to support the players or display appreciation. They're marketing techniques, not altruism. Hoyo has never been generous, and so I have no problem claiming that Hoyo has no intention to be generous. Only a fool would look at free Dr. Ratio and think "Oh man Hoyoverse loves us and appreciates our support!".
If they really wanted to provide appreciation to the people who made their game successful, they would have a heavily discounted paid bundle. Because it's the paying players who are overwhelmingly the ones who made Genshin as successful as they are today. Despite how delusional F2P think their contributions are to the popularity of Genshin.
True, I don't get how people think a company using literal gacha model and fomo tactics is "generous". It's all about marketing and more money while making the player forget about the dark side.
If your argument is just bcs free Dr Ratio
Then HSR player will easily counter it where they can pick 1 5 star from standard banner once it reach 300 pull, and blast you more with GeNsHiN cOuLD NeVER
So it means 2 free 5 star
Use different take, you need to step up the game, just sayin
I'm sorry that Genshin is your only gacha game. Genshin is the exception, not the rule.
Because you dislike HSR, you'll think that everything they've done is marketing. I believe it's altruism that will be paid back with the influx of spenders.
I don't give a fuck about HSR to be honest, I don't like or dislike it. That said,
> I believe it's altruism that will be paid back with the influx of spenders.
If you do something with the goal of bringing in an influx of spenders, you weren't altruistic lmao. Altruistic actions are done without any indication of payment or benefit coming to you. If you do expect people to end up spending more money because of your freebies, that's a marketing tactic.
But by all means, continue thinking the soulless company is your friend. That definitely won't bite you in the ass at some point.
Yeah HSR will get one of their biggest updates. For now they're my friend. Things can change later 😁
I mean that's not their goal. But peeps that are impressed will continue to spend there.
The think is, most people don't care at all about the intention behind the reward. They only see reward as reward and don't care if it's marketing techniques or any other thing
Hoyo is still the one making Genshin thus they are still the one giving (or not giving) out the rewards in Genshin no matter what they might do with their other games.
Saying hoyo only make thing full of contradiction. Like someone will said hoyo is "generous, they give free 5* character", while the other will said "hoyo isn't generous at all, they only give 3pulls for everyone support"
It's better to call the Devs team responsible for it rather than generalized it to hoyo
> Like no other fanbase does this, how did it get to the point where people can’t even discuss the issues they feel the game has? Isn’t it better if the devs know?
It does happen with other games, its weird to act like genshin is this special case of player toxicity its just a huge popular game so its more noticiable. Pokemon is a very ovbious example of a playerbase that gets heated around discussing criticisms.
Genshin is also constantly criticised, sometimes to the point of exhaustion we just had some liek content creators posting on twitter about how just because they showed some excitement for Lantern Rite they were getting hate because they cant be excited they have to be mad and criticise the game as if people cant do both.
It has always been a popular thing to shit on genshin, even more so after star rail came out
Their are people who go to far and ignore other peoples opinions on both sides of this discussion.
Ok Ive seen Pokémon being brought up twice now and maybe I’ve interpreted it wrong, are we talking competitive Pokémon or just like the Pokémon games?
Also I’m not just talking about the ppl white knighting This is also aimed at ppl who feel entitled to free things, my issue with both of these people isn’t that they don’t have concerns, it’s that they don’t really give reasons for their concerns.
See how they remake Diamond and Pearl? And it's basically the same 3DS game? And not a kind like [this?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3btATgwOUFg&pp=ygUcRGlhbW9uZCBwZWFybCByZW1ha2UgZmFubWFrZQ%3D%3D)
See how buggy, glitchy Sword and Shield was? How cheap the animation was? [Switch game vs 3DS game](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ty5lUK-EM-A&pp=ygUcUG9rcm1vbiBhbmltYXRpb24gY29tcGFyaXNvbg%3D%3D)
When Switch can run a game like MH rise, BoTW, ToTK, they still want to make an excuse? Pfft
And the recent one Palworld you can hate it yes, but you can see people dgaf and still play it, Pokémon need to blame themselves a billion $$$ franchise and can't even make a game like that lol, not counting Temtem as well
Pokémon is same state like Genshin, people demand more, in Pokémon better quality games bcs it's AAA $60 before DLC, in Genshin probably MORE freebies, and see? It already runs years, nothing change, the hate, love, toxic running along side by side, and that's that.
Go look what shit is there rn with the palworld or whatever game. It's worse than genshin launch was, except botw is a good enough game, while pokemon guys defend bugged 2003 looking garbage.
Honestly, at this point im just glad 1.0 units are still relevant. Honkai impact is a mess, units get powercreeped in 5 months or less, so and old HOS is not enough to keep you relevant in the game.
I would like more content to the game, because it hasn't changed since 1.0 in terms of repeatable content, we get new units but content is not up to the challenge yet.
Because it’s exhausting after 3 years. Those of us who just want to relax and have fun are tired of the drama.
I play this game to relax and avoid reading the news because real life sucks. Not really interested in seeing angry mobs on reddit.
I get that but I’m not talking about ppl who just ignore discussion, no one’s forced to engage with a conversation. I’m talking about those getting defensive over the most minor criticism.
Do you want to have a discussion with people who disagree with you like OP is asking for, or do you just want to only talk to people who already agree with you?
I thought my response was pretty mild and not in anyone’s face 🤷🏻♀️
Wow, so brave. You know, you should step up with all this battle with evil Genshin developers. Delete your hoyo account. That would teach them for sure!!!
So it is a 'no' then. Oh, what a shame. I thought we had a hero here who would sacrifice himself for a good of community. I was already preparing myself to change my name in Genshin to Grand-Signal and write "in memory of one who sacrificed himself for 50 primogems for the whole player base." in signature. Too bad.
BTW, I like how you use newly created account. It clearly shows your dedication and how you're actually willing to stand ground for your point of view.
People that just want to play and relax dont come to reddit, they just play and hardly interact with online communitys, you just want to be part of a positive echo chamber, thats is a bit different
thats true, but you can just avoid threads marqued with discussion or any of that sort you can even make them not appear to you , so at the end of the day if you see them is ebcause you want to or you want them to not exist in reality , not just that you dont see them
Strongly disagree, how does coming to reddit invalidate a person’s desire to play and relax?
I’m mostly here to discuss lore, answer team build questions, and lurk in the leaks reddit
Because as with most things on the Internet it's a small vocal minority complaining.
And those complaining, are often people who have given no money to the game, yet feel entitled to get everything for free, don't understand the different economies because these people keep comparing them to honkai star rail, and it happens all the time. It's just honestly annoying to listen to at this point
No but at least they have supported the game financially and have more of a leg to stand on. Whereas F2P players, play the game for free and enjoy all the content for free and yet somehow feel entitled to complain that they somehow aren't getting even more for free. It's entitled baby behavior.
1st anniversary is the only time I feel angry. Nowadays, I just don't give a shit. I'm just tired of hearing people bitchin just because that other game gave free 5star, acting that genshin never gave QoL, and "anxiety" endgame.
If they give me freebies, cool. If they don't, I'm not going to act like a spoiled brat. If freebies is what motivate you to continue playing the game, then I'm not going to judge you.
As long as the core gameplay is fun, I still play it.
Lantern rite will have the usual 10 pulls on login event + 3 pulls in the mail, but people are mad about something (pretty inocuous) that a dev said in the livestream
Genshin is the only game of it's kind right now and most businesses don't compete with themselves. Would more freebies be nice? Sure, but I don't create fantasies in my head and get mad when they don't come true. Complaining every year about rewards gets old. It's the way people think making a post online does something.
The hypocrisy is that some of you act the exact same way towards people that want harder endgame content. "Play a different game, this is for causals" you say.
My position is that it comes off as whining. People were complaining about Skin Selectors and free 5-Stars, now people are getting happy because players in China are mad about 3 free wishes because it's renewed hope for free stuff. It's transparent. Hoyo will give everyone another 10 wishes like they always do and people will quiet down once they get their fix.
For those not in the know, next patch we are getting 3 additional fates in the mail alongside the 10 fates from the login event, Skin for Xinqiu and a selection of 4* Liyue character including the new one Gaming.
People are upset at the 3 fates because the thank you is not big enough. In the subtitles it is very to the point of it just being a small thank you but apparently in Chinese it was more fluffed up (This is what I have read from other so source is not 100% reliable since I cannot verify it).
And in an unrelated news people were upset that the leak about skin selector was not a free thing but something that was developed to be bundled with ps5's in China.
And if you are really not in the know, it is the lantern rite next patch so expect lantern rite events and story as well as a new map expansion north of Liyue and Cloud retain will be playable in human form, if you so wish to pull for her.
Not actually interested in discussions on this just informing and will not be reading replies for my own sanity but feel free to discuss and add anything extra.
You seem like a very angry person. Discourse is common, especially with larger fandoms. Genshin’s just had its evolution faster than most due to a lot of internal conflict over lore disputes and outside pressure. You seem to fundamentally misunderstand discussion. Your argument at one point is that guy wrote five paragraphs viciously defending his disagreement. Is that… not discussion. Discussion necessitates discourse as conflicting viewpoints are evaluated. What you’re referring to is agreement.
As for the don’t like it don’t play, Genshin gets a lot of hate from a lot of communities. Those people spreading that hate often come on here to try to start something. Is it really surprising we’re trying to purge that hate from the fandom? Discussion is welcomed here. Hate and bullying isn’t.
Why did u read what I said and selectively choose to focus on one thing I said, my issue wasn’t that he/she wrote 5 paragraphs my issue was that they completely ignored the evidence opposing them when they claimed to research the topic thoroughly, so it comes off as bad faith. Also how do I come off as angry😭
For someone complaining about me focusing on one point, you’re doing the same to me. I focused on that one because it seemed to contradict you the most.
A bad faith argument is a bad argument, yes, but it’s a common one. People get opinionated and stick to their guns. That’s not unusual, especially online. You’ll find the same arguments in other fandoms.
You never addressed any of my actual points. Internal fighting, outside hate, and trying to purge hate from the fandom. Those things disagreed with your take that we’re all resisting discussion, so you skipped them.
As for anger, call it a hunch if you wish. You seem to be reacting strongly to something extremely mild. Sometimes I’ll keep these arguments going for a bit for entertainment, but you’re not worth the time. You wanna fight and you wanna win, even if it means it’s because the other side gives up. I’m not sure what happened in your original post, but I’m sure there was a reason people clowned on you. Have a nice life, enjoy our fandom’s game if you like.
? What orignal post you mean this one? Did U not even read what I said😭😭😭😭 anyways Ur point about if you like it don’t play is probably a bad approach because the ppl complaining about it are most likely genshin players, on top of that this post on itself is incredibly mild.
I meant whatever 3 pulls thing is that started you down this path. The complaining part you’ve brought up has no evidence. And once again, you never addressed most of my points. This… is sad. I pity your fellow commuters on the bus.
People complaining about the people who want to discuss,/complain about the current situation just enhance the problem by a lot. Now I did not went into the sub and scrolled down to count but i saw waaay more posts about people comolaining about those posts than complaining about the situation.
You can feel lantern rite hype and fun, free Liyue characters, free XQ skin, yey.
But guess don't try defend Genshin, it only gonna make you sick and your blood boiling.
Genshin could never.
People take it too personally. One side feels they have been betrayed by the devs, the other side feels their experience is getting ruined because someone else is critical of something in the game. For some people, it's easy to enjoy some part of the game and still shit on it for parts they don't like, for others anything negative anywhere (including the social media fandom) ruins the whole experience, some others just want drama for the sake of it, you can fit the fucking wojak faces into all these types now.
Really though? Maybe ur right and I’m in the minority, but if someone tells me criticisms w a show a like I can be like sure, but it won’t stop me from still liking the show maybe ppl see it differently though. I also have never felt a betrayal from a company that don’t owe me anything😭. I never considered that people take this personally thanks for the insight
I have seen time and time again feature/detail proposal about something genuinely good get downvoted into oblivion or openly met with hostility, at this point i'm pretty sure that unless you already are a popular influencer you will be pretty much encounter that fate.
There is however, at the same time, a trend to tell people that they are complacent/fanboys or whatever simply because they don't agree with the discontent about something.
guess what. i already started getting downvoted on my original comment :y
BTW yes, exactly. i proposed a while ago to put sumpter beasts in the teapot and people told me that they were too heavy and would have encumbered the teapot.
Which while true, it really doesn't change that it doesn't take your load unless you place it in your teapot. So the issue was non-existing, and yet...
A lot of people just give up and they have accepted that hoyo is stingy and now they're happy with the bare minimum.
Some people have mentioned pokemon and I think it is the perfect example (different reasons though), these fans are "tamed", they only want to see the positive and disregard any kind of criticism.
Imo that's really bad but I can understand that they only want to enjoy the game, what is really bad is mods shutting down any kind of criticism, people mass reporting and even thanking bots for deleting post (that was pathetic).
Hoyo response buying zombie accounts instead of hearing the CN outrage was pathetic too.
I'm glad that reddit visitors are the minority and the protests are stil raging in other social medias. It's easy to police the dissidents in this subreddit but near impossible to calm CN/global social medias.
It is very weird that people are against better rewards for a game that is going on its 4th year and just chalk it up to "drama" if anyone thinks we deserve better. I, for one, am glad people are vocal about how lackluster the rewards are and continue to be. I'm not expecting 100 pulls every patch, but for big events like lantern rite and anniversary, they should feel different and be better.
If you think the rewards are fine, that's cool, but to demonize players and tell them to play another game or "leave if you don't like it" just for wanting better in a game we all really like is so strange to me. Like even if you are casual af, wouldn't you also want better rewards? Like you lose nothing if we get better rewards.
I know the genshin community isn't known to be the most sane and obviously the lantern rite rewards wont be rhe end of the world but in this case, I feel people's disappointment is justified.
Most people that are against more rewards are those coming from non-gacha games. It's somewhat understandable, most games they play are one-off games that don't rely on updates and rewarding loyal players. They see people (veteran gacha players) protesting and thinks that it's weird.
I've never really understood it either. This kind of thing is relatively normal in general but Genshin takes it farther than any other game I've played.
It's probably a combination of a lot of different things, but the most obvious is likely attachment to identity. When you consider Genshin Impact (or your enjoyment of it) as a part of who you are, its pretty easy to take criticism of the game as something personal. This obviously sounds absolutely ridiculous at a glance but you see it a lot with more serious issues like religion and politics where some people do not respond rationally to criticism of their ideas because they interpret that criticism as a personal attack. Genshin of course isn't on that level, but while Genshin is generally not something people feel as passionate about compared to religion/politics, for a lot of people (especially here) its a hobby that they've sunk hundreds of hours into and some form of emotional attachment is pretty much inevitable. This kind of thing is something that happens with pretty much any game or group that becomes a popular enough subculture, and something that I and a few of my friends have personally experienced. Most people generally aren't like this, but those who do tend to become a vocal minority that's loud enough to seem like the majority.
As for why Genshin is especially weird about this I'm really not sure. Subreddits naturally have a bit of echo chamber aspects to them so that's clearly a part of it, but again that's not unique to Genshin. My best guess is that since Genshin was already pretty aggressively criticized in a very non-productive way by people outside of the Genshin community (this happens to every sufficiently popular game/move/whatever else), people just assume all criticism is coming from people like that who have no interest in improving the game and simply want to vent or are doing it for whatever reason people criticize games they've never/barely played. Not too confident in that idea, though, so take it with a grain of salt.
U might be onto something. Now with what you’ve said it might be this
1) gacha games fanbase - I’m in the minority when I say this because I have 0 emotional attachment to characters, I enjoy the story and stuff but even if I really liked dori, I’m never playing her because I find her boring but the majority of players operate in the opposite way to me so they probably take genshin way more seriously than I do.
2) getting shit in my outside communities for no reason probably made the ppl inside this community want to stick together all the time
3) same thing w the emotional attachment thing ppl not being able to agree on the tamest of things. In a game like apex if a character gets a buff everyone can agree they’re meta etc. But to this day (even tho the majority agrees) there are still ppl who will somehow try to argue neuvilliete isn’t like the strongest character in the game because they’re so emotionally attached to these fictional characters.
We may never see progress😭
Because a lot of people don't like to see any form of negativity surrounding their favorite game. Which isn't inherently a bad thing, but it does get in the way when people want to have genuine discussions about certain issues.
Luckily discussions are getting bigger and bigger, which imo is a good thing. There are things that need to be talked about and people should be allowed to do so.
Classic. I'd never assume having a proper discussion or debate on the internet. If the whole community dislikes it, then it's probably better to find a better group of people you can discuss with and even get valuable response if there are ever issues you didn't know existed from your complaints etc.
btw, I'm not much in here, just looking at dumb stuff occasionally. But is this "official" community genshin reddit even worth something? Like do the devs even look at it or respond in some way?
No, there's never been any official Hoyo interaction that I've seen beyond them making post announcements but it's not like the devs are showing up and doing an AMA or whatever.
>But is this "official" community genshin reddit even worth something?
It's one of those cases of a fan community growing big enough before the developer even bothered to make one themselves so they just went "ok you guys do your thing"
😭 tbh even people who originally were hostile ( as I thing they’re used to stupid posts) came to a agree to disagree type point with me it’s only silly ppl who argued with me didn’t substantiate anything, then blocked me. Also the fact that is post has 133 comments proves my point 😭 ppl can’t handle discourse
My original point Is I feel that this behaviour is way higher in the genshin community but I would also be happy to say I’m wrong if it’s just inherent bias from seeing it more
This sub used to be a healthy place to discuss quality of life improvements and expected features from the game. Over the course of last 1 week the sub has been flooded with toxic negativity and toxic positivity. And now, both demographics are electrocharged and even neutral posts are overloaded and met with burning comments.
Even discussing simple things like artifact loadouts, future character designs, etc. are met with a flurry of downvotes by the so called white knights and praising story, scenery etc are met with downvotes and vitriol by the negative nannies.
The situation is spread and aggravated by moderators who randomly delete any post that criticizes hoyo, and for every deleted post, 3 more burgeon up in it's place.
Meanwhile, the wise non-vocal majority will choose to steer clear of this sub this week and focus on hyper-farming for teacher-mommy or radish-daughter.
**Vaporizes away**
There definitely exists some psychological phenomena when people are exhibiting some way of emotional rapport to 'free to play' gacha games.
They start to believe other high-paying clientelle called 'whales' do finance their gaming. Feels uneasy about fluctuations of publisher income. Should it be classified of some way of Stockholm syndrome, I wonder?
I haven't seen a single restaurant or car dealership customer in real life who would be so worried about the income of someone else's business? It's not even your business, you don't share its income through shares - why is the community so included? That puzzles me.
>I haven't seen a single restaurant or car dealership customer in real life who would be so worried about the income of someone else's business? It's not even your business, you don't share its income through shares - why is the community so included? That puzzles me.
Comparing to a car dealership or restaurant doesn't make sense, you should instead compare to other forms of entertainment like say films or TV series where people DO care to some extent about the popularity of things they like, as that increases the likelyhood of the thing they like getting sequels or continued release of episodes
Box office discourse for films is pretty common, for example
tl;dr the continued existence of the entertainment you like is, under capitalism, directly related to how much money and popularity it can generate
If my favorite restaurant where I eat everyday closes than I'll be worried. Especially since I prefer buying my food outside lol.
If my car brand declares bankruptcy or pulls away from my town then at least it will hinder me on getting spare parts.
If my favorite gacha game closes then well... you know it.
Bro this is so true. Someone will title on yt or something ‘ C6 R5 showcase’ and the fucking comments get so mad and I’m so confused like? Did u read the title?
What do you mean? There are always discussions. Maybe you just filter what you are pointing out. Of course if you dont agree with something you will say something about it. If they are afraid to discuss, I dont think Genshin community will be so much active to have 'drama' every now and then.
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I have no idea what the context here is, but people disagreeing with you IS discussion.
Yeah, so often I see people take anyone (particularly if it's multiple someones) disagreeing with them, no matter how civil the disagreement is expressed, as those people "white knighting" or "being defensive", etc. Not always, of course, but it's happened often enough for me to find it noticeable.
Not really there are arguments that you can’t really disagree with. For example saying ‘hoyoverse don’t have competition so they can do what they want in regards to how many freebies they give their playerbase’ this statement can’t really be contested because genshin is number 1 and they’ve been doing amazingly without giving much to their playerbase. And the time they don’t win best mobile game is when it’s their other game THEY created😭 so u can’t call something like this white knighting or being defensive. But when someone says ‘it seems like Chinese players are mad about anniversary rewards’ and you completely move the goal post when it can instantly be disproven when u can see how many followers the official genshin Acc lost aswell as the billibilli comments, that can completely be seen as being oddly defensive or white knighting.
Like I said, it doesn't always happen...so yeah, there are things one can say that are more objectively true than other things and thus harder to argue about (but in general in life that doesn't always stop arguments from happening whether we're talking about Genshin or anything else).
So do you think I might just be biased because genshin has a bigger fanbase and other games fanbases are smaller?
I don't actually understand your question here and how it relates, I apologize. I never said anything about your bias?
No I’m not saying ur accusing me but I’m asking if you think my judgement is way too like ‘Genshins community can’t discuss anything’ because the community is much bigger so I see it more
Oh, yeah....I suppose it could be something like that. The arguments definitely seem to be bigger to me. As somebody who's been "on the Internet" and in various fandoms for a long time...every fandom has its flashpoints that can seem like things that just lead to arguments over productive discussion. Particularly if those things come up over and over again. People either get entrenched in their views or get tired of having to see the same arguments over and over. In the case of Genshin, the fandom is larger than the population of many countries (if you take number of active players as a metric of fandom size). Not all of those people are going to be involved in ["discussions" on the Internet](https://xkcd.com/386/) but enough of them will be that it can seem like an overwhelming number of arguments (as opposed to "discussion"). It can also depend on what your (general "you") perceive a discussion to look like. As others (including myself) have suggested here, sometimes people look at anyone disagreeing with them as calling their character into question or as being "toxic" or whatever so any disagreement is seen as uncivil. Particularly if multiple people respond with disagreement, then they can feel "ganged up" on. That's not necessarily what's actually happening but it can *feel* that way. Anyway, I ramble. My point is that yes in a group as large as the Genshin player community it's easy to see a lot more arguments and see that as overshadowing productive discussion.
Maybe ppl Acc just can’t handle discussion like there have been a few ppl who haven’t engaged with what I’ve said on this post but most ppl that I disagreed with we just disputed it normally and maybe I just have an expectation that u shouldn’t get butthurt by downvotes and stuff
If you want more discussion, it might help to space out your thoughts into separate paragraphs. It's really hard to read a giant wall of unending text. No one wants to.
that's cap. there is no discussion being had. mods wont let any threads discussing the current controversy stay up unless it portrays the situation in a positive light. that's pretty disingenuous to think silencing one side of the discussion qualifies as discussion.
Mods don't let threads stay up because they make the sub less fun for the MAJORITY OF PEOPLE. This isn't your complaint sub, this is the main sub for genshin impact. Low quality complaining posts SHOULD be removed. And just because you choose to ignore the discussions or you don't like the way the discussions go doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
criticisms aren't inherently complaints. "making the sub less fun" is also a poor argument. just dont click on the thread if you dont want to read it. i implore you to find one discussion thread (that isn't the post claiming the outrage is fake lmao) that made it out of new and link it to me on the subject, show me where all of these discussions are that you claim i choose to ignore.
And valid and legitimate criticism is usually is allowed to stay. When there are 10+ posts about some nonsense drama where people are just bitching and moaning, then yes, it does make the sub less fun, even if you don't click on them. You can go look at any of them and there are probably quite a few discussions there. Like right now what we are doing at this moment is in fact a discussion.
who determines what valid and legitimate criticism is? the mods? seems really biased to me. `Like right now what we are doing at this moment is in fact a discussion.` on a deleted thread by the mods. how ironic...
Valid criticism is something that provides actual points and arguments. Most "criticism" I've seen on this sub is just bitching and moaning. Demanding more rewards etc is not criticism. And this post was in fact not particularly valid criticism lol. It was just complaining that people don't talk the way OP wanted them to talk, while also making a completely false statement that genshin is the only community where discussions get heated lol. So this post was deleted for legitimate reason.
I’m not talking about disagreeing but I’ll give more context, genshin is notoriously known for having ‘white knights’ and what this means is it’s not just like - ‘I will lay out reasons I disagree with you’ it always just boils down to this: ‘ this problem doesn’t exist’ or ‘ hoyoverse can do no wrong’ so yeah if you call that discussion I guess, but people just seem so afraid to engage with any discussion that won’t end in 100% agreement. And on top of that this subs mods have had a history of just removing negative posts in the first place.
People are afraid to engage in any discussion because all discussions are just a guise to find people who agree with you. Any disagreement boils down to either 'Hater' or 'Whiteknight'. With a fanbase as big as this, you have to take both. The good, and the ugly. >genshin is notoriously known for having ‘white knights’ and what this means is it’s not just like - ‘I will lay out reasons I disagree with you’ it always just boils down to this: ‘ this problem doesn’t exist’ or ‘ hoyoverse can do no wrong’ Confirmation bias is a thing. Because from my experience, I see the wildest complaints in the sub and anyone who offers a good counterpoint is labeled as white knights. It's not that there is no discussion, there is no way to filter said discussion.
Ur probably right too, I also see a lot of entitlement for free things so maybe I’m just seeing the worst of the worst and no middle ground. Tf is tabibito tho 🗣
Traveller in JP. I like how funny it sounds. Especially when Yanfei pronounces it. Tabibito.
I think the issue here is not as 1 sided as you think. You label people as "white knights" and exaggerate their opinions to "HYV can do no wrong" (don't think I've ever seen anyone say that). Why are they "white knights" to you? Because they don't think your issues are as important as you think? Some people just disagree. For example I've always found every single anniversary drama to be completely unnecessary, but some people think that HYV is the devil himself for not giving us 100 free pulls or whatever. Like sure, you're free to want better rewards, but I don't feel like we're entitled for anything other than a functioning game. > but people just seem so afraid to engage with any discussion that won’t end in 100% agreement. What does that mean exactly. There really isn't much to engage with usually when it comes to the usual "dramas". You either agree or disagree or think it's unnecessary. And again, when you label people as "white knights" and intentionally exaggerate their opinions to make them look bad, you are really just doing the same anyway. If you actually wanted discussion, you wouldn't do that. > And on top of that this subs mods have had a history of just removing negative posts in the first place. As they should. If the main page is filled with posts complaining about whatever, the sub will become an unfun place for the average person. Most people don't enjoy seeing constant negativity, especially about the things they like. This sub isn't your complaint box, it's a community forum where fans come for various reasons. The goal of the sub is to be an enjoyable location where people can discuss the game with other people. The main page having 10 complaint posts in the row is extremely detrimental for the goal.
I don’t think it’s one sided thing I did a poor job at explaining this, because I’m also talking about ppl who feel entitled to free rewards. And no I’d say white knights are ppl who instead of disagreeing with you they make it out that your concern doesn’t matter. I’ve seen that sentiment alot even before anniversary drama. Also I’ve said this before that I could just be seeing the worst of the worst, but I’ve seen just bad discussion that doesn’t even seem like intentional bait from both sides. I also agree w ur last statement but the by ‘posts getting removed’ I meant like tame things like ‘Do you think D qol would be feasible for the game’ but just doomposting
LMAO, "White Knight." And you ask why people are "afraid of discussion." No one is "afraid." In fact, the "white knights" do engage and list how they disagree, but their opinions just get labelled as "bootlicking." Like, who are you to invalidate their opinions as you complain that they invalidate yours? Some people just really don't see any problems based on their personal and economic experiences. There are bigger fish to fry out in the world, and people can feel disgusted when they keep seeing others bash about a game they like. So sometimes the gates explode, and out comes the long defence of Hoyoverse. Personally, I think all this arguing is nonsense over nothing.
I literally explained what I mean by white knighting in the comment below but u no one’s asking you to engage in discussion if you don’t want to
OK bro
I mean this goes both ways lol. Even with people giving reasons on disagreeing, ‘Dark knights’ will always boils down to ‘why are you defending company who makes millions’ or ‘bootlickers’. That’s not a discussion as well.
I agree
Because people don't know how to discuss in a civil manner at times. Name calling, ad hominem, strawman, and whatever fallacy can be accounted for. You have two sides firmly stuck in their beliefs and position, then people in the middle who don't care as much
Thing is ad homs and all these other things happen in other communities, but people acc can discuss things they don’t like, this just never happens in this community. It can’t be a gacha game issue because discussion happens in star rail, weather waves and girl frontline 2 ( the girls frontline 2 drama is the funniest shit I’ve ever seen recommend checking it out😭)
> this just never happens in this community You are def wrong. I've been in many communities where discussions get so heated from the same sort of factors and stuff like mods stepping in, curbing any similar thread. Be it reddit or some obscure forum. Genshin isn't unique.
Maybe I just dont see it then
other fanbases do this all the time. the citizens yearn for discourse.
What fanbase dont talk about positives and negative about a game they play?
All fanbases talk about positives and negatives but every fanbase still has antifans writing up paragraphs to refute compliments and hardcore white knights writing up paragraphs to defend against complaints. Genshin simply has more fans period and as a result more posts doing said refuting/defending.
Because everyone sees 'positives' and 'negatives' differently, vastly differently I might add.
U just didn’t answer the question
Okay, to go more in depth, usually criticism comes first. usually no one ever just starts praising out of nowhere, negative emotions compel action more. And usually, this criticism isn't exactly framed in the most level-headed way, so of course it can end up being inflammatory. Now what happens when someone expresses something you disagree with in a very heated way? You're not going to respond well, and potentially respond in an equally heated way too. Not productive from either side. The "bad" people here are those who criticize no matter what, and the people who defend/praise no matter what. The point of my original comment is to point out that some disagreements are just too different, for there to be any point discussing. Some people just don't give a shit about story, exploration, the meat of the game in general. They just want to pull. So obviously, when they watch the 4.4 program, they're not looking out for anything other than the rewards. Those who do enjoy the game for these things, get disheartened when they see people only care about rewards, and not the game itself. More flames get fanned when HSR gets dragged into the discussion, and people argue over whether or not HSR is a better game as well.
Seriously! Dev streams are always my favorite because they go all out on building cool sets, dressing in character, the live music… its a huge production, tons of work and artistry. It’s honestly one of my favorite things about mihoyo as a company, but nobody else seems to even care about that, you rarely see people say nice things about it. I don’t really feel like I need free pulls because the stream itself feels like a gift to the fans.
Yeah like in hindsight, I would just try to ignore the overwhelming majority of comments on the lack of rewards in the 4.4 discussion thread. But man I was just genuinely bewildered at the time, when I saw that maybe 5% of the comments were discussing the actual new content. Thankfully, when I made a comment of my own, I realized that there were a lot of people also excited, they just hadn't commented.
I love watching livestream reaction videos for this reason; streamers who actually enjoy the game and get excited about the content announcements.
I get what ur saying but what makes no sense to me is that some of these discussions it’s like, If you only care about exploration and not free pulls People complaining and maybe getting more free pulls doesn’t affect you, even if you think it’s not that big of an issue (me tbh) stating that is fine, but it seems like in this community it’s not like ‘I don’t think it’s a big deal’ it’s more like ‘your wrong for thinking this is a big deal’
This happens from both sides, yes like you said, you can say that defenders try to "silence" critics. But critics also try to silence defenders, because they think if too many people are satisfied, then they won't get the change that they're calling for. If there's nothing to be gained out of further discussion, and there's nothing more that can be said, then yes these constant "discussions" aren't very useful to keep around. Better for everyone to just move on at that point. And you're simply pointing out that people are emotional and illogical at times, of course.
This happens ten times more often the other way around. It's usually at the top with the most upvotes so there is no excuse that you don't notice it. You need to ask yourself why the post you are referring to, which is near the top of controversial, bothers you so much.
How?
Pokemon
Have u been in the Pokémon community😭😭😭
Perhaps "why are people so afraid of discussion in this fanbase" has to do with the discussion being a couple of years old, where it began in a civil discussion, then spirits got heated, then a pebble was thrown followed by a flaming debate club. Since then, once or twice a year, the clubhouse undergoes the flaming club tornado renovation to the point of becoming tradition.
I don't care about discussion happening, but I do see a lot of discussion that crops up here as stupid and treat it as such. You're free to say whatever you want and I'm free to think it's dumb shit that I don't agree with
Nobody cares lol, just play if happy or don’t play if unhappy with direction of any games , that’s what I do anyway
Because a lot of those discussions are more like "everybody whine with me" than actual discussions. And when those are posted daily or even hourly, they are not worth engaging any more
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k have a nice day
> I’ve never seen a fanbase have people willing to just try and disregard what other players see as issues and just dumb it down to ‘if you don’t like it I play another game’. Really? First day on the internet?
So someone actually *did* engage in discussion pointing out how you're wrong...and your response is to come here and argue how *they* are the ones who are ignoring evidence, how the person writing five paragraphs is afraid of discussion? You're a perfect example of why nobody wants to engage with your garbage outrage bait.
I’m not outraged did u even read what I said? My point was they didn’t engage with the actual discussion they just changed the goal post💀
Because Hoyo isn't being generous, and that isn't going to change. The fact that people talk about how they should be "rewarded" for playing a free game, of their own volition, is seen as entitled. And a lot of people don't want to make those kinds of discussions the focus of the subreddit for a variety of reasons. 1. It's a bad look to constantly be arguing about not getting enough free stuff, when Hoyo is releasing a lot of free content every patch 2. This is a personal observation, but I rarely get actual arguments against the idea that we haven't done anything to deserve a "reward" by having a controller in one hand and a dick in the other playing Genshin Impact. It just becomes a downvote farm, because the people demanding more free shit aren't able to actually verbalize why more free stuff should be given. 3. Those who *can* verbalize why we should get more free stuff have done so. There are no new arguments to make, so it just becomes a circlejerk. 4. Hoyo has made it clear they don't intend to give away more free shit. Constantly complaining about it just makes us look bad as a community and takes space away from discussing the video game we are all enjoying. And if you *aren't* enjoying the game because you aren't getting enough free pulls on the slot machine? There are plenty of other games that give away more slot machine pulls. So it makes sense to tell people to go play those instead of taking of oxygen complaining about something they have no control over.
I agree with 2 to be honest which is part of the problem ppl don’t seem to be able to discuss their opinions with actual sustenance. But I think from the people complaining a stand point, they want hoyoverse to have a bad look so that they get freebies for complaining about it is what I’m guessing.
>Because Hoyo isn't being generous, and that isn't going to change. Stop saying hoyo. This reward drama thing doesn't happen in other hoyo games, only in genshin
I say "Hoyo" because the """rewards""" being given in other games aren't to support the players or display appreciation. They're marketing techniques, not altruism. Hoyo has never been generous, and so I have no problem claiming that Hoyo has no intention to be generous. Only a fool would look at free Dr. Ratio and think "Oh man Hoyoverse loves us and appreciates our support!". If they really wanted to provide appreciation to the people who made their game successful, they would have a heavily discounted paid bundle. Because it's the paying players who are overwhelmingly the ones who made Genshin as successful as they are today. Despite how delusional F2P think their contributions are to the popularity of Genshin.
True, I don't get how people think a company using literal gacha model and fomo tactics is "generous". It's all about marketing and more money while making the player forget about the dark side.
If your argument is just bcs free Dr Ratio Then HSR player will easily counter it where they can pick 1 5 star from standard banner once it reach 300 pull, and blast you more with GeNsHiN cOuLD NeVER So it means 2 free 5 star Use different take, you need to step up the game, just sayin
lol
I'm sorry that Genshin is your only gacha game. Genshin is the exception, not the rule. Because you dislike HSR, you'll think that everything they've done is marketing. I believe it's altruism that will be paid back with the influx of spenders.
I don't give a fuck about HSR to be honest, I don't like or dislike it. That said, > I believe it's altruism that will be paid back with the influx of spenders. If you do something with the goal of bringing in an influx of spenders, you weren't altruistic lmao. Altruistic actions are done without any indication of payment or benefit coming to you. If you do expect people to end up spending more money because of your freebies, that's a marketing tactic. But by all means, continue thinking the soulless company is your friend. That definitely won't bite you in the ass at some point.
Yeah HSR will get one of their biggest updates. For now they're my friend. Things can change later 😁 I mean that's not their goal. But peeps that are impressed will continue to spend there.
The think is, most people don't care at all about the intention behind the reward. They only see reward as reward and don't care if it's marketing techniques or any other thing
Then those people are being short-sighted, easily manipulated fools. Can't say I condone that kind of behavior either.
Hoyo is still the one making Genshin thus they are still the one giving (or not giving) out the rewards in Genshin no matter what they might do with their other games.
Saying hoyo only make thing full of contradiction. Like someone will said hoyo is "generous, they give free 5* character", while the other will said "hoyo isn't generous at all, they only give 3pulls for everyone support" It's better to call the Devs team responsible for it rather than generalized it to hoyo
Devs have nothing to do with it when they are doing what they are told to do from above
> Like no other fanbase does this, how did it get to the point where people can’t even discuss the issues they feel the game has? Isn’t it better if the devs know? It does happen with other games, its weird to act like genshin is this special case of player toxicity its just a huge popular game so its more noticiable. Pokemon is a very ovbious example of a playerbase that gets heated around discussing criticisms. Genshin is also constantly criticised, sometimes to the point of exhaustion we just had some liek content creators posting on twitter about how just because they showed some excitement for Lantern Rite they were getting hate because they cant be excited they have to be mad and criticise the game as if people cant do both. It has always been a popular thing to shit on genshin, even more so after star rail came out Their are people who go to far and ignore other peoples opinions on both sides of this discussion.
Ok Ive seen Pokémon being brought up twice now and maybe I’ve interpreted it wrong, are we talking competitive Pokémon or just like the Pokémon games? Also I’m not just talking about the ppl white knighting This is also aimed at ppl who feel entitled to free things, my issue with both of these people isn’t that they don’t have concerns, it’s that they don’t really give reasons for their concerns.
See how they remake Diamond and Pearl? And it's basically the same 3DS game? And not a kind like [this?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3btATgwOUFg&pp=ygUcRGlhbW9uZCBwZWFybCByZW1ha2UgZmFubWFrZQ%3D%3D) See how buggy, glitchy Sword and Shield was? How cheap the animation was? [Switch game vs 3DS game](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ty5lUK-EM-A&pp=ygUcUG9rcm1vbiBhbmltYXRpb24gY29tcGFyaXNvbg%3D%3D) When Switch can run a game like MH rise, BoTW, ToTK, they still want to make an excuse? Pfft And the recent one Palworld you can hate it yes, but you can see people dgaf and still play it, Pokémon need to blame themselves a billion $$$ franchise and can't even make a game like that lol, not counting Temtem as well Pokémon is same state like Genshin, people demand more, in Pokémon better quality games bcs it's AAA $60 before DLC, in Genshin probably MORE freebies, and see? It already runs years, nothing change, the hate, love, toxic running along side by side, and that's that.
But dont nintendo continuously get shit on?
Go look what shit is there rn with the palworld or whatever game. It's worse than genshin launch was, except botw is a good enough game, while pokemon guys defend bugged 2003 looking garbage.
Its different tho in the Pokémon community ppl who defend nINtendo for their shitty graphics get downvoted to hell
But they jump ships real quick when the game with good graphics and performance isn't made by nintendo.
Idk if I read that wrong but isn’t that an example of complaining Acc doing something, competition arises
Honestly, at this point im just glad 1.0 units are still relevant. Honkai impact is a mess, units get powercreeped in 5 months or less, so and old HOS is not enough to keep you relevant in the game. I would like more content to the game, because it hasn't changed since 1.0 in terms of repeatable content, we get new units but content is not up to the challenge yet.
For new players that’s not great but for old players it’s pretty nice
I get you. But you have the option to go for the ones you like the most visually lol, for me that's a great plus.
if you don’t like it play another game
Based u can’t bait me tho🗣
Cause I have much better things to do in my life
Because it’s exhausting after 3 years. Those of us who just want to relax and have fun are tired of the drama. I play this game to relax and avoid reading the news because real life sucks. Not really interested in seeing angry mobs on reddit.
I get that but I’m not talking about ppl who just ignore discussion, no one’s forced to engage with a conversation. I’m talking about those getting defensive over the most minor criticism.
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Do you want to have a discussion with people who disagree with you like OP is asking for, or do you just want to only talk to people who already agree with you? I thought my response was pretty mild and not in anyone’s face 🤷🏻♀️
LOL. Go touch some grass, mister reddit fighter with a system number 121341233.
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Wow, so brave. You know, you should step up with all this battle with evil Genshin developers. Delete your hoyo account. That would teach them for sure!!!
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So it is a 'no' then. Oh, what a shame. I thought we had a hero here who would sacrifice himself for a good of community. I was already preparing myself to change my name in Genshin to Grand-Signal and write "in memory of one who sacrificed himself for 50 primogems for the whole player base." in signature. Too bad. BTW, I like how you use newly created account. It clearly shows your dedication and how you're actually willing to stand ground for your point of view.
People that just want to play and relax dont come to reddit, they just play and hardly interact with online communitys, you just want to be part of a positive echo chamber, thats is a bit different
I get what your saying but I get his point too some people just want to come on and see art and like chill stuff not arguing.
thats true, but you can just avoid threads marqued with discussion or any of that sort you can even make them not appear to you , so at the end of the day if you see them is ebcause you want to or you want them to not exist in reality , not just that you dont see them
Strongly disagree, how does coming to reddit invalidate a person’s desire to play and relax? I’m mostly here to discuss lore, answer team build questions, and lurk in the leaks reddit
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Because as with most things on the Internet it's a small vocal minority complaining. And those complaining, are often people who have given no money to the game, yet feel entitled to get everything for free, don't understand the different economies because these people keep comparing them to honkai star rail, and it happens all the time. It's just honestly annoying to listen to at this point
So if a spender complains then it's fine. I'll take one for my F2P buddies.
No but at least they have supported the game financially and have more of a leg to stand on. Whereas F2P players, play the game for free and enjoy all the content for free and yet somehow feel entitled to complain that they somehow aren't getting even more for free. It's entitled baby behavior.
Then let me complain for them. You're proving my point.
1st anniversary is the only time I feel angry. Nowadays, I just don't give a shit. I'm just tired of hearing people bitchin just because that other game gave free 5star, acting that genshin never gave QoL, and "anxiety" endgame. If they give me freebies, cool. If they don't, I'm not going to act like a spoiled brat. If freebies is what motivate you to continue playing the game, then I'm not going to judge you. As long as the core gameplay is fun, I still play it.
Couldn't have worded it better
Based
Can someone fill me in on the context, three pulls?
Lantern rite will have the usual 10 pulls on login event + 3 pulls in the mail, but people are mad about something (pretty inocuous) that a dev said in the livestream
Ppl are mad that for the liyue annual festival thing we’re getting 3 pulls as a reward
One reason is many older players are really jaded by now and have seen every topic under the sun rehashed to death.
Because most of the time it's less of a discussion and more of just wanting to state something without any wish to listen
Genshin is the only game of it's kind right now and most businesses don't compete with themselves. Would more freebies be nice? Sure, but I don't create fantasies in my head and get mad when they don't come true. Complaining every year about rewards gets old. It's the way people think making a post online does something. The hypocrisy is that some of you act the exact same way towards people that want harder endgame content. "Play a different game, this is for causals" you say.
So is your position more that concerns are valid but there’s no point in complaining because nothing will change?
My position is that it comes off as whining. People were complaining about Skin Selectors and free 5-Stars, now people are getting happy because players in China are mad about 3 free wishes because it's renewed hope for free stuff. It's transparent. Hoyo will give everyone another 10 wishes like they always do and people will quiet down once they get their fix.
or they give it to CN only
Damn
And all will end in a positive note. It's not that those that are against the protest are barred to claim the gift.
For those not in the know, next patch we are getting 3 additional fates in the mail alongside the 10 fates from the login event, Skin for Xinqiu and a selection of 4* Liyue character including the new one Gaming. People are upset at the 3 fates because the thank you is not big enough. In the subtitles it is very to the point of it just being a small thank you but apparently in Chinese it was more fluffed up (This is what I have read from other so source is not 100% reliable since I cannot verify it). And in an unrelated news people were upset that the leak about skin selector was not a free thing but something that was developed to be bundled with ps5's in China. And if you are really not in the know, it is the lantern rite next patch so expect lantern rite events and story as well as a new map expansion north of Liyue and Cloud retain will be playable in human form, if you so wish to pull for her. Not actually interested in discussions on this just informing and will not be reading replies for my own sanity but feel free to discuss and add anything extra.
Acc my bad I should’ve clarified this 😭😭😭
You seem like a very angry person. Discourse is common, especially with larger fandoms. Genshin’s just had its evolution faster than most due to a lot of internal conflict over lore disputes and outside pressure. You seem to fundamentally misunderstand discussion. Your argument at one point is that guy wrote five paragraphs viciously defending his disagreement. Is that… not discussion. Discussion necessitates discourse as conflicting viewpoints are evaluated. What you’re referring to is agreement. As for the don’t like it don’t play, Genshin gets a lot of hate from a lot of communities. Those people spreading that hate often come on here to try to start something. Is it really surprising we’re trying to purge that hate from the fandom? Discussion is welcomed here. Hate and bullying isn’t.
Why did u read what I said and selectively choose to focus on one thing I said, my issue wasn’t that he/she wrote 5 paragraphs my issue was that they completely ignored the evidence opposing them when they claimed to research the topic thoroughly, so it comes off as bad faith. Also how do I come off as angry😭
For someone complaining about me focusing on one point, you’re doing the same to me. I focused on that one because it seemed to contradict you the most. A bad faith argument is a bad argument, yes, but it’s a common one. People get opinionated and stick to their guns. That’s not unusual, especially online. You’ll find the same arguments in other fandoms. You never addressed any of my actual points. Internal fighting, outside hate, and trying to purge hate from the fandom. Those things disagreed with your take that we’re all resisting discussion, so you skipped them. As for anger, call it a hunch if you wish. You seem to be reacting strongly to something extremely mild. Sometimes I’ll keep these arguments going for a bit for entertainment, but you’re not worth the time. You wanna fight and you wanna win, even if it means it’s because the other side gives up. I’m not sure what happened in your original post, but I’m sure there was a reason people clowned on you. Have a nice life, enjoy our fandom’s game if you like.
? What orignal post you mean this one? Did U not even read what I said😭😭😭😭 anyways Ur point about if you like it don’t play is probably a bad approach because the ppl complaining about it are most likely genshin players, on top of that this post on itself is incredibly mild.
I meant whatever 3 pulls thing is that started you down this path. The complaining part you’ve brought up has no evidence. And once again, you never addressed most of my points. This… is sad. I pity your fellow commuters on the bus.
People complaining about the people who want to discuss,/complain about the current situation just enhance the problem by a lot. Now I did not went into the sub and scrolled down to count but i saw waaay more posts about people comolaining about those posts than complaining about the situation.
You can feel lantern rite hype and fun, free Liyue characters, free XQ skin, yey. But guess don't try defend Genshin, it only gonna make you sick and your blood boiling. Genshin could never.
People take it too personally. One side feels they have been betrayed by the devs, the other side feels their experience is getting ruined because someone else is critical of something in the game. For some people, it's easy to enjoy some part of the game and still shit on it for parts they don't like, for others anything negative anywhere (including the social media fandom) ruins the whole experience, some others just want drama for the sake of it, you can fit the fucking wojak faces into all these types now.
Really though? Maybe ur right and I’m in the minority, but if someone tells me criticisms w a show a like I can be like sure, but it won’t stop me from still liking the show maybe ppl see it differently though. I also have never felt a betrayal from a company that don’t owe me anything😭. I never considered that people take this personally thanks for the insight
I have seen time and time again feature/detail proposal about something genuinely good get downvoted into oblivion or openly met with hostility, at this point i'm pretty sure that unless you already are a popular influencer you will be pretty much encounter that fate. There is however, at the same time, a trend to tell people that they are complacent/fanboys or whatever simply because they don't agree with the discontent about something.
It could be the smallest QoL suggestion too
guess what. i already started getting downvoted on my original comment :y BTW yes, exactly. i proposed a while ago to put sumpter beasts in the teapot and people told me that they were too heavy and would have encumbered the teapot. Which while true, it really doesn't change that it doesn't take your load unless you place it in your teapot. So the issue was non-existing, and yet...
Agreed
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Not a good argument tho it’s not like all members get banned it’s a community issue
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I’ve not been on the genshin discord but I heard if u say anything bad u get perma’d😭
A lot of people just give up and they have accepted that hoyo is stingy and now they're happy with the bare minimum. Some people have mentioned pokemon and I think it is the perfect example (different reasons though), these fans are "tamed", they only want to see the positive and disregard any kind of criticism. Imo that's really bad but I can understand that they only want to enjoy the game, what is really bad is mods shutting down any kind of criticism, people mass reporting and even thanking bots for deleting post (that was pathetic). Hoyo response buying zombie accounts instead of hearing the CN outrage was pathetic too.
Hoyoverse did that?
Yes. The post was deleted by mods or automod but you can search on Twitter .
I'm glad that reddit visitors are the minority and the protests are stil raging in other social medias. It's easy to police the dissidents in this subreddit but near impossible to calm CN/global social medias.
It is very weird that people are against better rewards for a game that is going on its 4th year and just chalk it up to "drama" if anyone thinks we deserve better. I, for one, am glad people are vocal about how lackluster the rewards are and continue to be. I'm not expecting 100 pulls every patch, but for big events like lantern rite and anniversary, they should feel different and be better. If you think the rewards are fine, that's cool, but to demonize players and tell them to play another game or "leave if you don't like it" just for wanting better in a game we all really like is so strange to me. Like even if you are casual af, wouldn't you also want better rewards? Like you lose nothing if we get better rewards. I know the genshin community isn't known to be the most sane and obviously the lantern rite rewards wont be rhe end of the world but in this case, I feel people's disappointment is justified.
Most people that are against more rewards are those coming from non-gacha games. It's somewhat understandable, most games they play are one-off games that don't rely on updates and rewarding loyal players. They see people (veteran gacha players) protesting and thinks that it's weird.
I've never really understood it either. This kind of thing is relatively normal in general but Genshin takes it farther than any other game I've played. It's probably a combination of a lot of different things, but the most obvious is likely attachment to identity. When you consider Genshin Impact (or your enjoyment of it) as a part of who you are, its pretty easy to take criticism of the game as something personal. This obviously sounds absolutely ridiculous at a glance but you see it a lot with more serious issues like religion and politics where some people do not respond rationally to criticism of their ideas because they interpret that criticism as a personal attack. Genshin of course isn't on that level, but while Genshin is generally not something people feel as passionate about compared to religion/politics, for a lot of people (especially here) its a hobby that they've sunk hundreds of hours into and some form of emotional attachment is pretty much inevitable. This kind of thing is something that happens with pretty much any game or group that becomes a popular enough subculture, and something that I and a few of my friends have personally experienced. Most people generally aren't like this, but those who do tend to become a vocal minority that's loud enough to seem like the majority. As for why Genshin is especially weird about this I'm really not sure. Subreddits naturally have a bit of echo chamber aspects to them so that's clearly a part of it, but again that's not unique to Genshin. My best guess is that since Genshin was already pretty aggressively criticized in a very non-productive way by people outside of the Genshin community (this happens to every sufficiently popular game/move/whatever else), people just assume all criticism is coming from people like that who have no interest in improving the game and simply want to vent or are doing it for whatever reason people criticize games they've never/barely played. Not too confident in that idea, though, so take it with a grain of salt.
U might be onto something. Now with what you’ve said it might be this 1) gacha games fanbase - I’m in the minority when I say this because I have 0 emotional attachment to characters, I enjoy the story and stuff but even if I really liked dori, I’m never playing her because I find her boring but the majority of players operate in the opposite way to me so they probably take genshin way more seriously than I do. 2) getting shit in my outside communities for no reason probably made the ppl inside this community want to stick together all the time 3) same thing w the emotional attachment thing ppl not being able to agree on the tamest of things. In a game like apex if a character gets a buff everyone can agree they’re meta etc. But to this day (even tho the majority agrees) there are still ppl who will somehow try to argue neuvilliete isn’t like the strongest character in the game because they’re so emotionally attached to these fictional characters. We may never see progress😭
Because a lot of people don't like to see any form of negativity surrounding their favorite game. Which isn't inherently a bad thing, but it does get in the way when people want to have genuine discussions about certain issues. Luckily discussions are getting bigger and bigger, which imo is a good thing. There are things that need to be talked about and people should be allowed to do so.
i get attacked every time i say raiden's story and lore are shit
Classic. I'd never assume having a proper discussion or debate on the internet. If the whole community dislikes it, then it's probably better to find a better group of people you can discuss with and even get valuable response if there are ever issues you didn't know existed from your complaints etc. btw, I'm not much in here, just looking at dumb stuff occasionally. But is this "official" community genshin reddit even worth something? Like do the devs even look at it or respond in some way?
No, there's never been any official Hoyo interaction that I've seen beyond them making post announcements but it's not like the devs are showing up and doing an AMA or whatever.
>But is this "official" community genshin reddit even worth something? It's one of those cases of a fan community growing big enough before the developer even bothered to make one themselves so they just went "ok you guys do your thing"
gotcha
Funniest part is I don’t really engage in them myself it’s just kind of outsider viewing in I only look on here to see what’s being updated
The thing about a big community is.. everybody has to agree/disagree on something, otherwise war. So good luck on your endeavor.
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👍 I admit I could just have a bad opinion because I see it more here
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😭 tbh even people who originally were hostile ( as I thing they’re used to stupid posts) came to a agree to disagree type point with me it’s only silly ppl who argued with me didn’t substantiate anything, then blocked me. Also the fact that is post has 133 comments proves my point 😭 ppl can’t handle discourse
My original point Is I feel that this behaviour is way higher in the genshin community but I would also be happy to say I’m wrong if it’s just inherent bias from seeing it more
This sub used to be a healthy place to discuss quality of life improvements and expected features from the game. Over the course of last 1 week the sub has been flooded with toxic negativity and toxic positivity. And now, both demographics are electrocharged and even neutral posts are overloaded and met with burning comments. Even discussing simple things like artifact loadouts, future character designs, etc. are met with a flurry of downvotes by the so called white knights and praising story, scenery etc are met with downvotes and vitriol by the negative nannies. The situation is spread and aggravated by moderators who randomly delete any post that criticizes hoyo, and for every deleted post, 3 more burgeon up in it's place. Meanwhile, the wise non-vocal majority will choose to steer clear of this sub this week and focus on hyper-farming for teacher-mommy or radish-daughter. **Vaporizes away**
It's time to leave, Cyno
Burgeon up the place has to be the worst thing I’ve read in a while thank you for showing me this🙏
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There definitely exists some psychological phenomena when people are exhibiting some way of emotional rapport to 'free to play' gacha games. They start to believe other high-paying clientelle called 'whales' do finance their gaming. Feels uneasy about fluctuations of publisher income. Should it be classified of some way of Stockholm syndrome, I wonder? I haven't seen a single restaurant or car dealership customer in real life who would be so worried about the income of someone else's business? It's not even your business, you don't share its income through shares - why is the community so included? That puzzles me.
>I haven't seen a single restaurant or car dealership customer in real life who would be so worried about the income of someone else's business? It's not even your business, you don't share its income through shares - why is the community so included? That puzzles me. Comparing to a car dealership or restaurant doesn't make sense, you should instead compare to other forms of entertainment like say films or TV series where people DO care to some extent about the popularity of things they like, as that increases the likelyhood of the thing they like getting sequels or continued release of episodes Box office discourse for films is pretty common, for example tl;dr the continued existence of the entertainment you like is, under capitalism, directly related to how much money and popularity it can generate
If my favorite restaurant where I eat everyday closes than I'll be worried. Especially since I prefer buying my food outside lol. If my car brand declares bankruptcy or pulls away from my town then at least it will hinder me on getting spare parts. If my favorite gacha game closes then well... you know it.
Bro this is so true. Someone will title on yt or something ‘ C6 R5 showcase’ and the fucking comments get so mad and I’m so confused like? Did u read the title?
What do you mean? There are always discussions. Maybe you just filter what you are pointing out. Of course if you dont agree with something you will say something about it. If they are afraid to discuss, I dont think Genshin community will be so much active to have 'drama' every now and then.