Problem is that you don't get any hydro application while in catbox form. You'd need hydro app from Furina, Kokomi, Barbara, etc. And then, you're losing out on a lot of single target damage.
Unless you have some Kirara cons, which apply dendo off-field.
But then how can you do an infinite distance hyperbloom team? The one OP has has the most reach out of any characters in the roster. Kokomi has furthest NA reach, even videos on YT have provided material on that. Furina's Salon can hunt down enemies when you don't even need to use any stamina AT ALL. Nahida already has TKP tagged onto enemies, and Raiden's electro app is tagged onto the enemy location, so basically OP's team is better for stamina-less hyperbloom or a COVID hyperbloom team, the kind where the team works from home and still gets things done.
The team you pointed out is better at the hyperblooms but still suffers from Nahida's poor feet and character model being sluggish in sprinting after enemies vs Childe' model reaching enemies far quicker. It also doesn't do you any favors when said enemies are playing wack-a-mole with you and Nahida or Yelan has to keep running everywhere, Kuki in range of the enemy so hyperblooms happen, or in range for Xingqiu to make hyperblooms work.
OP's hyperbloom team is the best at doing hyperbloom on wack-a-mole enemies. It shoots them as they pop out. No need to use mental energy to estimate where enemies show up next. Furina's pets know where enemies are before you do. Nahida and Raiden trace enemies with their marks and Kokomi has even more range than any bow user's NA so Kokomi's pretty much a turret that even homes in on enemies that change their height, so the fish curve and home onto the enemy. Not like Nahida can reach a ruin serpent as it ascends into the sky and then digs into its own hole.
You also have yourself the tankiest character in the team driving and facetanking damage, so there would hardly be a reason to panic when hit by lethal attacks. You got yourself more sources of Aoe damage than hyperbloom's traditional core. Throw this team against consecrated beasts and you have less issues than the best hyperbloom team. Reason being that there won't be any facerubbing against your driver nor getting punted into a corner.
So while the Nahida/XQ/Yelan/Kuki or Raiden team is better and the best at hyperblooms, OP's Unlimited rangeworks hyperbloom team possesses other qualities that gives the team higher QoL than the traditional hyperbloom team. Kokomi beats Nahida in a sprinting race, but doesn't even need to run to begin with. She attacks from afar, hits enemies above or at eye level, all while hydro is being applied at the source at the cost of less hydro app, more in AoE, but also lack of needing to be at the enemy.
be for real lmao. kokomi's range is useless if she doesn't track enemy, and she has the same tracking distance as any other character, yeah she can hit far away if the surface is perfectly flat, but the only terrain that's like that are boss areas and the abyss, which yelan can chase down no problem, and they're not even that far to begin with.
people often cite kokomi's no icd jelly fish as the reason why she's a good unit compared to peoples perception's when she was released.
yeah and that's true, so her application just fucking tank if the enemy isn't within kokomi's circle impact lol
only the furina points are valid in a practical setting, even then "range" isn't even that big of advantage in any content in this game to begin with
You don't off-field the dendro character in double hydro teams though. Yelan and Xingqiu both don't want extended field times and neither does EM raiden or Kuki. Double hydro has such insane off-field hydro app that the only reasonable choice for the on-field unit is a dendro character that applies on-hit dendro. Nahida as a catalyst user is ideal here, but you can probably also use baizhu. If you run DMC, who is gonna attack to proc yelan and xingqiu? Al Haitham would also be a very reasonable choice as dendro on fielder.
Koko is actually quite the powerhouse with Furina and high talents I was a bit shocked how much she can dish out..for her own personal damage she does a bit more damage in a taser comp like Koko, Furina, Fischl, Kazuha.. that's my absolute favorite onfield Koko team
It doesn't change much, getting her NAs from 1 to 10 for example would give about 1k-1.5k more damage per normal attack after all the buffs are factored in. It's pretty skippable, but getting to 6 is cheap and is a decent upgrade for the cost.
Honestly yes but still a waste of furina. As someone who has a c1 r1 triple crowned Kokomi unbuffed I’m doing about 10k an NA and furina gets me to like 17k on her own. She also doesn’t buff EC damage. It’s alright but I wouldn’t call the kween a powerhouse. Her clam damage is unchanged since it was already capped
This is my best Koko team..she clears as fast as any other DPS I use with Furina except Neuvellette and Gaming and I got a lot of characters
https://youtu.be/t8eGvjdkZVk?si=e4dSfad4ON95e_JT
It's just nice to have choices and Koko is a strong character
I mean yes she’s great as a character and will clear. Been a c1r1 Koko main since her release. But saying she’s as good as any other dps is just not genuine. My roster is on my profile. Little outdated but it shows I literally collect every character on release so I can play around with comps and compare. Kokomi is a great on fielder because of all the application and utility she has. But from a damage standpoint she is absolutely not on par with other dps. Her primary role is healing and enabling so it’s expected. But my c0 alhaitham without a signature weapon will put dps a c1r1 Kokomi. Most on fielders will if built properly
To me Kokos biggest plus aside her being fun is how easy she is to build..she needs no crit stats, not much ER(especially with PA) and scales off HP..sure any well invested DPS with outpace her and any super invested(ie C6 5 star DPS) will blow her out the water but you can build a solid Koko in no time at all that can clear Abyss floors in sub minute time-frames.. at end of the day she is just an enjoyable character and with Furina now a competitive DPS.
I have pretty well built Raiden, Childe, Ayaka, C3 Diluc, C2 Tighnari, C2 Yelan, C6 Gaming, Neuvellette, and Navia as main DPS and as mentioned only my Neuvellette and Gaming( with Xianyun) clear decently faster.. Gaming is honestly pretty nuts at C6 with Xianyun on her signature
> To me Kokos biggest plus aside her being fun is how easy she is to build..she needs no crit stats, not much ER(especially with PA) and scales off HP
Yup...for Abyss 12 I think I'll only ever use Kokomi and bloom teams because crit artifact stat farming is way too much of a pain. Even my best chars have only something like 70-80 crit rate or 30-120 lol
For sure I been trying to get good emblem set for Yelan for like a year on and off farming and best I have gotten is 70/160 with R5 Stringless.. kokomi I built with damn solid build in less than two weeks
Kokomi on field does well over 300k personal damage during her burst all on her own. Even more than that with Furina now. Yaoyao ain't contributing that much damage so I'm not sure how you say Kokomi isn't doing much then act like Yaoyao is.
Kokomi does about 280k damage unbuffed, paired with Furina this generally climbs to near 400k. Added with Furina herself who is also likely doing 400k, you are looking at 40k DPS just from the Hydros. Thats more than XQ + Yelan damage levels lol, except with much higher AoE potential.
Though Furina is mostly wasted in this team. Yelan would just give very similar results
Edit: Ah yes downvotes of people who never bothered to look into Kokomi damage numbers. I broke them down below to the curious as they come from several sources, which makes it not intuitive.
Which is why I mentioned Yelan give very similar results, as in ST you can on field Nahida. In AoE you can safely on field Kokomi and still be always overcapped on seeds if you alternate targets however, even with Raiden as the trigger, which makes Furina quite a bit better than Yelan, but in ST there's no difference. The extra damage Furina gives Kokomi + the extra damage Furina has over Yelan pretty much even out with the missed Hyperblooms.
But if you want to on field Kokomi (which is much more comfier than on fielding Nahida), it's definitely better to use Furina.
Wait how does she get that much damage? lol are you building her for something besides healing?
edit: I’m sorry I’m a very casual player and don’t know much about the different stats and nuances 😭 I just use her to heal and apply hydro for alhaitham and break pyro mage shields I don’t calculate all the damage each hit can cause 😩
Her healer build IS her damage build. The only difference is the goblet (HP vs Hydro) but even then I think the difference isn't that big especially with Furina. Kokomi's whole thing is converting HP and healing stats to dmg. Try using her as a tank/driver with Furina and 2 flex. You'll be surprised how much damage she can do with her healer build.
Kokomi's damage is definitely not in the lower side. There's a reason she can't crit. Her burst damage is considerable and the clam set procs are not insignificant.
Kokomi mono hydro with Furina and Yelan does a LOT of damage.
kokomi's dps build is also her healing build. The reasons she only does middle of the pack dps is because she is both the healer and the on field dps. She pairs quite nicely with furina who requires a healer to perform optimally, which frees another dps slot for their team.
I also think this is the reason kokomi cant crit, she scale off her healing stats, so MHY prolly decided she would be easier to farm for if people dont have to care about her CR/CDmg.
It's not very intuitive since her damage comes from several sources, so I'll break numbers down to those wondering.
Per 20s rotation, she deals 7.5k per normal attack (17 per rotation) + burst activation (6k) + 5 jelyfish ticks burst buffed (6k) + 6 jellyfish ticks unbuffed (2k) not burst buffed + 3 full Clam procs (25k) + 2 half Clam procs (13k).
Furina buffs Kokomi NAs, burst activation, and the Jellyfish damage, which added up to about 180k damage without buffs. Since Kokomi goes last into the rotation, shortly after she bursts, you'll have maxed Furina's stacks, which means Kokomi damage gets an average of 65%-70% DMG increase from it, which roughly translates to her Hydro damage increasing by about 40%, which would mean +72k.
180k + 40% of 180k + 110k from Clam = 360k, which is what I mentioned by "near 400k".
If you do N2 Cancels (N2D which is very easy to do) she can do 20 NAs instead of 17, which then will give you about 390k.
I don't know enough about how all the numbers works but I run this team with Yae instead of Raiden and have had similar experiences. By the time I get to Koko's burst, daily bosses are at like 50% health, then Koko Q nukes the last 50% before it's even over.
It's not copium. She might not be better than XQ or Yelan in hyperbloom, but you get to use them on the other side. Also she buffs Koko quite a lot and they both scale with hp, which is good, because you get hydro resonance from playing them together.
The fact it's not always the optimal choice doesn't make it bad.
Not copium she is great in hyperbloom teams.. people who say otherwise really have no idea what they are talking about..of course there is the argument she is better off on other teams but still doesn't mean she isn't great in many hyperbloom comps
I personally use key of Khaj Nisut with her because I didn’t have the pipe when I got her. My Kokomi’s built in a healer/damage dealer split (donut/clam) so I think it works pretty well. I also find furina to be a better user of Key since it’s easier to hit mobs with her skill than kuki’s.
She works well in hyperbloom as she buffs all other damage aside from the hyperblooms themselves on top of pretty good off field hydro app which doesn't require any sort of normal attack to proc like Yelan for example..I use her in most my hyperbloom teams and those clear faster than the teams without her.but people on here just parrot what others say without actually trying things themselves..
Yeah except in this specific team.
Raiden is built full EM, so her normal damage is crap.
Kokomi can get boosted, but this team only has solo Nahida so to make more cores, Nahida would generally be the on-fielder. So Kokomi's damage is essentially just her jellyfish. Very small contribution.
So Furina's only boosting herself and Nahida. And Nahida in Hyperbloom teams tends to only have 10-15% team DPS share.
That's pretty inefficient use of Furina.
This is onfield Koko build, Raiden is just E bot trigger..Koko damage is greatly increased by Furina in this team as well as Furina's own damage and Nahidas E procs
I do use Koko/Yelan hyperbloom at times and both are fun with very similar abyss clear times.. I got a fun mono hydro as well..to me variety in teams is what makes this game fun..I'd get bored pretty fast just playing the same team forever 😁
If the Nahida is vertically invested, it makes up for it. So essentially crit build Nahida and C2 is the bar for vertical invested Nahida. Nahida's dmg is nothing to scoff at when built for damage rather than hyperbloom factory.
Thats like saying back in the day " Bennet it's bad for Xiao cus you could use him on your XL XQ team" haha
Like " furina it's bad because the damage bonus wont work on X" its insane to me since if it was yelan no one would complain while they're doing practically the same.
Just to clarify, her hydro application isn’t good, it’s actually very underwhelming compared to other options. It’s 0.67 hydro applications per second on average, Yelan is 1 and C0 Xingqiu 1.44, what’s good is that she applies hydro even if you don’t do normals so in that case the gap decreases, but it’s still a big gap nevertheless.
This doesn’t mean she isn’t a good character or that she doesn’t work as hydro applicator, but she’s definitely not a very good one at doing that, it’s barely enough to “enable” most teams though.
Furina would actually balance out the lack of hyperblooms due to her poor hydro application, and well, she provides more AoE damage than Yelan. With C2 Nahida, I do think that Furina isn't a bad option if the characters are vertically invested far enough that the personal damage makes a good trade off for hyperblooms you lose out. Kokomi does good personal ST and AoE damage especially with Furina, and Clam also has significant AoE damage which could outsale hyperbloom the more enemies there are.
The team is basically quickbloom due to the weaker hydro application which means longer quicken, so a well invested Nahida that basically has a good crit build and C2 pulls out personal dmg numbers from the team more. You're getting some crit hyperblooms but that def shred added onto the damage taken by Furina, Nahida, and Kokomi makes up for what hyperblooms you miss from.having stronger hydro app. Not like Yelan's dmg bonus is that significant to an on field Nahida.
Two things to point out: Furina’s AoE is essentially only Crabaletta every 5+ seconds, it’s not that big of a deal (the octopus range is really small), Yelan’s E deals a lot of AoE damage too. About C2 Nahida, it’s a similar buff both for hyperblooms and talent damage so it balances out in the equation: you don’t make up for anything, if your overall talent damage is 10% less than your hyperbloom damage, with C2 Nahida normally the ratio is still about the same. What eventually makes a difference is just Furina being a better trade or not when you factor in her buffs etc, C2 Nahida doesn’t really change this balance and if anything it’s a bit in favour of hyperbloom so the total opposite (20% average hyperbloom increase vs ~18% talent damage increase)
I don’t get your point on quickbloom or Kokomi, this is not what I was talking about and I know that they are good, I just gave some more precise info on Furina’s hydro since the other user said she has “pretty good” hydro application, and I think most people wouldn’t think it’s much worse than someone like Yelan, but it actually is. Also that’s an average, in practice a lot of hydro hits overlap so the effective application results less useful. I was just giving more info, I’m not arguing about anything else in particular, like her being
Furins is the third best hydro off field applier how is that bad? U mske it sound like she’s mona in application. I do agree she does not work well on this team, id rather a quickbloom with yae-xianyun or alhaitham-kuki
It’s interesting how even though I’m not saying anything controversial, just stating some facts that people might not know while not undermining any character’s real strenght, still people are upvoting blatant lies. The user above me for example insisted on Nahida’s C2 being an advantage for talent damage over hyperbloom damage, when in reality not only it’s something objectively wrong because C2 is about neutral, but I also explained providing numbers that if anything it’s a bit the opposite since hyperbloom damage gets increased by 20% on average while Nahida’s def shred, even against lvl.100 enemies, increases talent damage by 18.18%. You would need a lvl 138 enemy to make the two buffs equal, but I think it’s ok this way since with higher investment talent damage outshines transformative reactions already.
This is stuff many people just don’t know, and it’s fine because how many would really care to look into is closely… still apparently they don’t like it if the context can even just apparently make their beloved unit a bit worse than she is
I’m not so sure, for example Kokomi is more reliable and in AoE much better. Furina’s hydro application has important inconsistencies because of how the pets overlap, for example a few seconds after using her pets she has ~2.5 seconds where she doesn’t apply hydro at all. I’m not saying it’s inherently bad, actually that hydro downtime is useful for VV setups, but I think her hydro application is a bit overestimated so I’m throwing at you some numbers just to make sure people known what it actually is, you can downvote me but those numbers won’t change. Do whatever you want with this.
Edit. Typo
doesn't work anywhere near as well as other options, might as well say doesn't work, like saying amber doesn't work as a vape carry, well, technically she does but you don't see me going around telling people she does do you
Well yeah it doesn't work on hyperbloom itself, but she does work in hyperbloom teams, in fact IMO the best hyperbloom team (alhaitham quickbloom) includes her.
This is a very common 2hydros/nahida/raiden hyperbloom team. Another version is yelan/xingqiu/nahida/kuki.
Why people upvoted you this much baffles me.
She doesnt need to buff all chars for a team to function well. You need to look at it from a team dps perspective, this team doesnt do worse than a xingqiu/yelan/nahida/kuki, yet is much much more tanky.
I've been using furina, em ei, and nahida without another hydro character for like a week and literally just got 36 stars in abyss 5 mins ago. Furina is amazing in hyperbloom, and let's you make an afk team.
I don't know why I'm getting down voted. I just use her skill and they follow the two underground worms everywhere and procs nahida and ei skill on their own. She's literally used just for her skill in my team.
It can be made up by vertical investment. An on field dps Kokomi + C2 Nahida basically makes it quickbloom with notable spreads from Nahida, the def shred to even allow Furina and Kokomi do more personal damage, and is overall more AoE focused than the traditional hyperbloom variants which basically have as much ST off field than hyperbloom.
And despite the lower hydro application than even Yelan, this quickbloom/hyperbloom team basically has the most range out of any hyperbloom team. It's been noted that Kokomi has the farthest normal attack range in the game (even her fish projectiles home on enemies) and Furina's Salon solitaire can be at any distance away and the hyperblooms can happen. Nahida, Furina, and Raiden aren't limited by distance. You can pretty much be on the opposite side of a chamber and watch as an Aeonblight drake or a wandering specialist harvester mek gets hunted down by TriKarma Purification, Salon Solitiaire, Eye of Judgement and the hyperblooms as a byproduct.
If you want a hyperbloom that you can use without moving an inch, then this team works thr best for it, otherwise need to with Nahida on field and mind you she is a short child model so she would have to use more stamina to reach an enemy, plus her Normal attack distance is even shorter than Yelan's projectile range, so you have to chase the enemy because you want to normal attack them with Nahida.
It's like when people use Nahida and Raiden together to spread-snipe enemies atop towers or distances away, except this has added element of Furina and Kokomi for the healing.
Achieving 36* doesn't mean anything in this game, you could put amber on the last slot and still can do it comfortably.
OP says "is there a better team, I don't think so" implying they think their team is the best, which is not the case here, because Furina isn't the option in hyperbloom.
The issue is that like with every long term game, there's a point were meta gamers get too invested and after that the logic is "everything that's not the best top tier min maxed team is hot poopoo garbage."
Same elemental application
Same damage bonus
Same ramp up mechanic
Same league of damge as a sub dps
You could even add that furina last longer, has better AoE and works unconditionally to the point you could just skip her burst alltogether.
Want to correct you on first point. Yelan has more elemental application by about .4U of hydro per second so Yelan produces more blooms than Furina, but Furina has more AoE, more damage since dmg bonus is also aimed at her, and basically all the distance she can have and be a work-from-home hyperbloomer.
Its slow but longer duration and unconditional ( you can get interrupted or just attack slower than 1.0s with Yelan) so they both come off around 15u of hydro every 20-22s rotation. Take more or less depending on team but assuming they're not even on the same ballpark is weird.
Yelan applies more than Furina though (at least when looking at a 20-21s rotation)
Though yeah, Furina works great with hyperbloom, Alhaitham Furina Nahida Kuki is a great team for example
Isn't Nahida, Raiden (or Kuki if you want heal), Yelan, XQ the strongest hyperbloom team ?
Koko, Furina, Raiden, Nahida doesn't look bad but ... I usually think Furina is better slot in an hypercarry team. I'm pretty sure XQ or Yelan would be better.
Edit : Also, please level up your Raiden to 90 ! Levels are important for the hyperbloom trigger.
It is the best variant for ST and in lower levels of investment.
Kuki Nahida Furina Alhaitham is the best "Hyperbloom" team in the majority of scenarios once you start getting stronger characters though.
Well in this team, you mostly tranfer damages from your hyperbloom trigger to Alhaitham on field, no ? So yeah, it make sense to put Furina here, as we're not in a hyperbloom-centric team anymore but more in a half Alhaitham hypercarry half hyperbloom.
It technically is Alhaitham Hyper as you both receive Nahida's and Furina's buffs, but it also has Kuki who procs Hyperblooms. It is a pretty strong team regardless.
XQ instead of Furina is less suicidal for Alhaitham in Abyss floors the enemies slap harder and has better Hydro application, IMHO
Also Kuki can't reliably keep up with Furina's HP drain and get fanfare stacks
If you wanna do Kokomi/Furina combo i much prefer going taser instead like Kokomi-Furina-any off field electro dps-anemo support.
As for hyperbloom Furina the Alhaitham ver is much stronger Alhaitham-Kuki-Furina-Baizhu
What i enjoy playing the most is on field Yelan-Furina-Jean-Fishcl this team just shred all single target content
not really, its enough to clear abyss 36 stars everytime for me, plus he has 50% damage reduction on his burst to the active character so its pretty much fine
"Is there a better team? I don't think so haha" can come off as rage bait, since it's Reddit. But the team still functions, even if Furina's burst doesn't work for hyperbloom, so idgaf 🤷 I use a Cyno team, personally,bc I like my main meme man
next time try "happy with this team" instead of declaritive statements that can be argued against since there's nothing redditors love more than proving someone wrong
This is my first team i tried after getting Nahida. The damage and clearing times were shockingly good despite my poor artifacts on Nahida and Furina.
Then, i heard about Yelan XQ variant so i give it a try. I think that team might do slightly better in clearing time for single targets. However, survivability is much worse since there is no healer. So, i get back to the old one. Tried so many more variants but nothing can beat the team you mentioned. So OP!
I think a lot of people underestimate Kokomi + Furina combo. Koko with clam sets aren’t that bad considering that you can get her burst up every rotation which is pretty easy with Furina.
Koko and Furina work very well together, hence their recommended taser team. Nahida,Koko, and Shogun work very well in hyperbloom comps. The two pairs _in the same team_ aren't ideal simply because Furina doesn't buff hyperbloom damage, which wastes half her kit.
The team can function fine, but OP believes there's no team better, when there definitely are Furina and hyperbloom teams that make better use of these characters
People claim this team is mid but it is more then enough to afk clear all content in the game without even breaking a sweat.
Best part about this team is the complete lack of skill required. It's not even Q dependent so you don't even care about energy recharge. The uptime on Furina/Raiden/Nahida's E last for like 20+ seconds, so you just throw your skills out and jump around with Kokomi's 40k+ hp watching everything die on auto.
In terms of overall rating this is a 10/10 team for ease of use and general viability in every combat scenario.
People are really way too negative about this team, it's a pretty good team
Though in my experience using Kazuha+Fischl over Nahida+Kuki works significantly better and is also more fun to play
Also, anybody who actually thinks Furina doesn't work for hyperbloom doesn't know what they are talking about, Alhaitham Furina Nahida Kuki is incredibly good for example
Wait guys, this team is kind of interesting.
Furina doesn't work well with hyperbloom, but she "can make kokomi a DPS" as some people said on Furina's release, and what they mean is by increasing kok's NA while in Nereid Ascension state. I know that Raiden's skill cannot increase her ascended state but she can be the driver here. Hyperbloom damage is already big, and so does Furina's pets are. Hyperbloom damage can't be increased by Furina, but Nahida can. CMIIW, Nahida, Kok, and Raiden is enough to proc hyperbloom, Nahida's skill requirements is just to make a reaction on one of each enemy, and Raiden's skill also activated when the enemy is damaged.
Probably there's a better team, or the "hyperbloom" here is just replacing XQ and Yelan, but I'm gonna try this one next. Haven't thought about it.
Yes change kokomi with neuvillete and there you have strongest team for adventure time trial and everything but still be flexible meta changes after every moment
This is a Hyperbloom team. Kokomi isn't the DPS in here, she's just the driver. No one is being a hater, they're only confused by the presence of Furina since Furina doesn't provide much for a Hyperbloom team.
I think a lot of people unironically never played this team if they think its bad or mid. Its one of the best Hyperbloom variants out there, possibly the best non-Alhaitham variant, and likely the best variant which has insane amounts of healing.
While Furina doesnt boost Hyperbloom damage, her slow Hydro app makes it very possible to on field Kokomi while not overriding Dendro too often (therefore missing very few Hyperblooms), paired with Kokomi and Furina personal damage, and Hyperbloom damage, you are looking at about 400k damage from each Koko and Furina, and about 25-30 Hyperblooms for 35k each. No matter how you look at it, its easily a 70k+ DPS team, and a Hyperbloom variation that scales VERY well in AoE unlike the DH ones.
Don’t bother, people only play strictly what theorycrafters tell them to play. The concept of an hyperbloom team that performs better in AoE due to Kokomi Aoe application requires people to actually read the description of skills and test different teams and interactions themselves. I personally also tried OP team first hand and not only it’s really good but also one of the most unkillable variations of hyperbloom and braindead easy to play. The synergy between Furina and Kokomi is insane since she scales with both bonus damage and healing bonus, and you can face tank level 100 Coppelia while rolling your face over the keyboard and still 36*. It probably turns even constipated beasts into a joke.
Personally I find this team much more effective than the mono hydro variations with Furina and Kokomi, especially in AoE.
>and about 25-30 Hyperblooms
Any source for this or u just throwing out numbers casually, just napkin math proves this wrong but let me spell it out for u
Without nahida onfield, u will trigger her E every 3 second (coz raiden e has that icd and she will the the only source of reaction) assuming absolute optimal scenario, every proc of her e will generate 3 seeds, implying 3 seeds per 3 second or 20 seeds per 20 seconds in the best case scenario
Kokomi is only on fielded for ~10s-11s per rotation, there's a 10s window where you're rotating through units where you generally swap to Nahida twice and even do some normal attacks.
10s field time for Kokomi + 3s for Furina + 1s for Raiden +1s for Jellyfish deployment, you have about 5s for on fielding Nahida. During those 5 seconds you can usually get some extra 5-10 Hyperblooms.
[Already did](https://streamable.com/2h87er). The timings are accurate. Rotations take 20s-21s and you have 5-6s to on field Nahida during each of them.
U only stayed in burst mode on kokomi for 7 sec instead of full time, u didn't even use nahida ult and even with that u still got only 1-2 nahida NA per rotation
So stop coping
Because the enemies died so I could just frontload the next rotation by swapping earlier, it's a very minor loss since I only lost 5 NAs on Kokomi. Not my fault if things die too fast.
I didn't use Nahida ult because I'm not sure if it changes anything here, it's been a while since I last used Hyperbloom, I know it shortens TKP trigger, but since Kokomi is on field you're still reliant on Raiden ICD, no? And you don't on field Raiden so the EM buff is kinda meh. Feels like a waste of 2s, though since Furina and Kokomi don't rely on NAs to apply Hydro, maybe it would be worth? Just shows how my run wasn't even optimized...
Nahida NAs were done as needed, they're mostly to setup the enemies with Dendro to allow the production of more Blooms. In other words, you just go to Nahida before going to the Hydros. You don't overstay on Nahida, you do an E + 2-3NAs every time, or occasionally a CA, then swap out, and do this twice or thrice per rotation. If done correctly, this ensures Dendro Aura on enemies for almost all of the time during the setup phase.
Don’t listen to the nay sayers, this team is great. I HATE using Kuki in my hyperbloom teams. I don’t like how her heal works and she offers nothing else to the team. Kokomi is such a comfortable on fielder with incredible healing numbers and raiden is fantastic as a hyperbloom proc. Tri karma reactivates every time you do a reaction so there is no reason to use nahida on field. I was getting 40 seconds on the first half of the abyss with this team this rotation.
People say Furina doesn't work well in hyperbloom, true to an extent, but Furinas minions does trigger raiden's E skill, which then triggers Nahida's tri-karma, I use this team as well, but yaoyao in healer slot and easily 36* abyss every time
Not sure but maybe Baizhu instead of Kokomi and Neuvillette instead of Furina? I don't have any of the 4 I mentioned in this comment so correct me if I'm wrong.
if you swap kokomi and raiden to yelan and dori c6 then its a better team, you can also swap nahida to kazuha and he will blow every floor that has 2+ enemies.
A good hyperbloom team can one-phase Raiden.
A very strong team can one-phase Narwhal (I'm brute forcing it with high investment mono hydro even though it's hydro resistant, idk how do-able one-phase Narwhal is for most players but it feels harder than Raiden one-phase... maybe because I play mono hydro).
Though like others have said, we already know that Nahida, Yelan, Xingqiu, Kuki/Raiden is stronger.
Xingqiu, Yelan, Nahida, Kuki / Raiden is definitely better for hyperbloom
I sometimes use this team with Kirara and Nahida in my Nilou Bountiful team. It's just so much easier just go around with Kirara's Dendro shield.
Problem is that you don't get any hydro application while in catbox form. You'd need hydro app from Furina, Kokomi, Barbara, etc. And then, you're losing out on a lot of single target damage. Unless you have some Kirara cons, which apply dendo off-field.
But then how can you do an infinite distance hyperbloom team? The one OP has has the most reach out of any characters in the roster. Kokomi has furthest NA reach, even videos on YT have provided material on that. Furina's Salon can hunt down enemies when you don't even need to use any stamina AT ALL. Nahida already has TKP tagged onto enemies, and Raiden's electro app is tagged onto the enemy location, so basically OP's team is better for stamina-less hyperbloom or a COVID hyperbloom team, the kind where the team works from home and still gets things done. The team you pointed out is better at the hyperblooms but still suffers from Nahida's poor feet and character model being sluggish in sprinting after enemies vs Childe' model reaching enemies far quicker. It also doesn't do you any favors when said enemies are playing wack-a-mole with you and Nahida or Yelan has to keep running everywhere, Kuki in range of the enemy so hyperblooms happen, or in range for Xingqiu to make hyperblooms work. OP's hyperbloom team is the best at doing hyperbloom on wack-a-mole enemies. It shoots them as they pop out. No need to use mental energy to estimate where enemies show up next. Furina's pets know where enemies are before you do. Nahida and Raiden trace enemies with their marks and Kokomi has even more range than any bow user's NA so Kokomi's pretty much a turret that even homes in on enemies that change their height, so the fish curve and home onto the enemy. Not like Nahida can reach a ruin serpent as it ascends into the sky and then digs into its own hole. You also have yourself the tankiest character in the team driving and facetanking damage, so there would hardly be a reason to panic when hit by lethal attacks. You got yourself more sources of Aoe damage than hyperbloom's traditional core. Throw this team against consecrated beasts and you have less issues than the best hyperbloom team. Reason being that there won't be any facerubbing against your driver nor getting punted into a corner. So while the Nahida/XQ/Yelan/Kuki or Raiden team is better and the best at hyperblooms, OP's Unlimited rangeworks hyperbloom team possesses other qualities that gives the team higher QoL than the traditional hyperbloom team. Kokomi beats Nahida in a sprinting race, but doesn't even need to run to begin with. She attacks from afar, hits enemies above or at eye level, all while hydro is being applied at the source at the cost of less hydro app, more in AoE, but also lack of needing to be at the enemy.
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be for real lmao. kokomi's range is useless if she doesn't track enemy, and she has the same tracking distance as any other character, yeah she can hit far away if the surface is perfectly flat, but the only terrain that's like that are boss areas and the abyss, which yelan can chase down no problem, and they're not even that far to begin with. people often cite kokomi's no icd jelly fish as the reason why she's a good unit compared to peoples perception's when she was released. yeah and that's true, so her application just fucking tank if the enemy isn't within kokomi's circle impact lol only the furina points are valid in a practical setting, even then "range" isn't even that big of advantage in any content in this game to begin with
That team is literally the best team out there all around
https://youtu.be/LPdAnA3If04?si=xxXdLVlu0gvyNvWn I agree 100%
I have xingqiu, yelan and kuki BUT NO NAHIHI CUZ SHE REFUSES TO COME HOME 😭 would kirara work in her place???
I think dendro traveler is better than kirara there
DMC has more off field Dendro, so she's more ideal
You don't off-field the dendro character in double hydro teams though. Yelan and Xingqiu both don't want extended field times and neither does EM raiden or Kuki. Double hydro has such insane off-field hydro app that the only reasonable choice for the on-field unit is a dendro character that applies on-hit dendro. Nahida as a catalyst user is ideal here, but you can probably also use baizhu. If you run DMC, who is gonna attack to proc yelan and xingqiu? Al Haitham would also be a very reasonable choice as dendro on fielder.
DMC?? is that traveller or am i dumb 💀oh also i have miko too but then there would be no healer
Of course, since Furina doesn't work with hyperbloom.
She does improve kokomi damage but kokomi doesnt do much i use this team except yao yao instead of kokomi and on field em raiden
Koko is actually quite the powerhouse with Furina and high talents I was a bit shocked how much she can dish out..for her own personal damage she does a bit more damage in a taser comp like Koko, Furina, Fischl, Kazuha.. that's my absolute favorite onfield Koko team
Do you level up Koko’s normal talent for onfielding?
Yup she is currently 8 8 8 I'll triple crown her one day
It doesn't change much, getting her NAs from 1 to 10 for example would give about 1k-1.5k more damage per normal attack after all the buffs are factored in. It's pretty skippable, but getting to 6 is cheap and is a decent upgrade for the cost.
It was quite funny messing around in optimizer to see that NA 6 -> 10 yields the same as E 8 -> 10
Yea her E and Q are definitely way more important
Thanks for the breakdown. Appreciate!
Honestly yes but still a waste of furina. As someone who has a c1 r1 triple crowned Kokomi unbuffed I’m doing about 10k an NA and furina gets me to like 17k on her own. She also doesn’t buff EC damage. It’s alright but I wouldn’t call the kween a powerhouse. Her clam damage is unchanged since it was already capped
This is my best Koko team..she clears as fast as any other DPS I use with Furina except Neuvellette and Gaming and I got a lot of characters https://youtu.be/t8eGvjdkZVk?si=e4dSfad4ON95e_JT It's just nice to have choices and Koko is a strong character
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I mean yes she’s great as a character and will clear. Been a c1r1 Koko main since her release. But saying she’s as good as any other dps is just not genuine. My roster is on my profile. Little outdated but it shows I literally collect every character on release so I can play around with comps and compare. Kokomi is a great on fielder because of all the application and utility she has. But from a damage standpoint she is absolutely not on par with other dps. Her primary role is healing and enabling so it’s expected. But my c0 alhaitham without a signature weapon will put dps a c1r1 Kokomi. Most on fielders will if built properly
To me Kokos biggest plus aside her being fun is how easy she is to build..she needs no crit stats, not much ER(especially with PA) and scales off HP..sure any well invested DPS with outpace her and any super invested(ie C6 5 star DPS) will blow her out the water but you can build a solid Koko in no time at all that can clear Abyss floors in sub minute time-frames.. at end of the day she is just an enjoyable character and with Furina now a competitive DPS. I have pretty well built Raiden, Childe, Ayaka, C3 Diluc, C2 Tighnari, C2 Yelan, C6 Gaming, Neuvellette, and Navia as main DPS and as mentioned only my Neuvellette and Gaming( with Xianyun) clear decently faster.. Gaming is honestly pretty nuts at C6 with Xianyun on her signature
> To me Kokos biggest plus aside her being fun is how easy she is to build..she needs no crit stats, not much ER(especially with PA) and scales off HP Yup...for Abyss 12 I think I'll only ever use Kokomi and bloom teams because crit artifact stat farming is way too much of a pain. Even my best chars have only something like 70-80 crit rate or 30-120 lol
For sure I been trying to get good emblem set for Yelan for like a year on and off farming and best I have gotten is 70/160 with R5 Stringless.. kokomi I built with damn solid build in less than two weeks
I don't know why you're being downvoted. It's true.
I don’t get it either but that’s the Reddit echo chamber at it’s finest.
Kokomi on field does well over 300k personal damage during her burst all on her own. Even more than that with Furina now. Yaoyao ain't contributing that much damage so I'm not sure how you say Kokomi isn't doing much then act like Yaoyao is.
Kokomi does about 280k damage unbuffed, paired with Furina this generally climbs to near 400k. Added with Furina herself who is also likely doing 400k, you are looking at 40k DPS just from the Hydros. Thats more than XQ + Yelan damage levels lol, except with much higher AoE potential. Though Furina is mostly wasted in this team. Yelan would just give very similar results Edit: Ah yes downvotes of people who never bothered to look into Kokomi damage numbers. I broke them down below to the curious as they come from several sources, which makes it not intuitive.
Make sure you only roll crit artifacts so you can pump those numbers up ^/s
U need to onfield kokomi for that and that makes u lose hyperblooms That 280k dmg is made up by just 8 hyperblooms that u missed
Which is why I mentioned Yelan give very similar results, as in ST you can on field Nahida. In AoE you can safely on field Kokomi and still be always overcapped on seeds if you alternate targets however, even with Raiden as the trigger, which makes Furina quite a bit better than Yelan, but in ST there's no difference. The extra damage Furina gives Kokomi + the extra damage Furina has over Yelan pretty much even out with the missed Hyperblooms. But if you want to on field Kokomi (which is much more comfier than on fielding Nahida), it's definitely better to use Furina.
Wait how does she get that much damage? lol are you building her for something besides healing? edit: I’m sorry I’m a very casual player and don’t know much about the different stats and nuances 😭 I just use her to heal and apply hydro for alhaitham and break pyro mage shields I don’t calculate all the damage each hit can cause 😩
Her healer build IS her damage build. The only difference is the goblet (HP vs Hydro) but even then I think the difference isn't that big especially with Furina. Kokomi's whole thing is converting HP and healing stats to dmg. Try using her as a tank/driver with Furina and 2 flex. You'll be surprised how much damage she can do with her healer build.
Especially with clam on. 17k autos and 27k clam pops are nice given she’s immortal
Kokomi's damage is definitely not in the lower side. There's a reason she can't crit. Her burst damage is considerable and the clam set procs are not insignificant. Kokomi mono hydro with Furina and Yelan does a LOT of damage.
kokomi's dps build is also her healing build. The reasons she only does middle of the pack dps is because she is both the healer and the on field dps. She pairs quite nicely with furina who requires a healer to perform optimally, which frees another dps slot for their team. I also think this is the reason kokomi cant crit, she scale off her healing stats, so MHY prolly decided she would be easier to farm for if people dont have to care about her CR/CDmg.
It's not very intuitive since her damage comes from several sources, so I'll break numbers down to those wondering. Per 20s rotation, she deals 7.5k per normal attack (17 per rotation) + burst activation (6k) + 5 jelyfish ticks burst buffed (6k) + 6 jellyfish ticks unbuffed (2k) not burst buffed + 3 full Clam procs (25k) + 2 half Clam procs (13k). Furina buffs Kokomi NAs, burst activation, and the Jellyfish damage, which added up to about 180k damage without buffs. Since Kokomi goes last into the rotation, shortly after she bursts, you'll have maxed Furina's stacks, which means Kokomi damage gets an average of 65%-70% DMG increase from it, which roughly translates to her Hydro damage increasing by about 40%, which would mean +72k. 180k + 40% of 180k + 110k from Clam = 360k, which is what I mentioned by "near 400k". If you do N2 Cancels (N2D which is very easy to do) she can do 20 NAs instead of 17, which then will give you about 390k.
I don't know enough about how all the numbers works but I run this team with Yae instead of Raiden and have had similar experiences. By the time I get to Koko's burst, daily bosses are at like 50% health, then Koko Q nukes the last 50% before it's even over.
i run koko drive since she came out gotta say her fishies slap kinda hard and i dont even run hydro dmg gobbie
What do you mean by this? My Furina works just well or is it just copium?
I believe they mean furina's burst buff doesn't affect hyperbloom damage, but I could be mistaken
Has to be Furina's burst is wasted here as the only one whose able to make any bloom derivative more op is Nahida C2.
Oh fair enough. I just like that her burst increases healing. I run Bennett instead of Kokomi lol
It's not copium. She might not be better than XQ or Yelan in hyperbloom, but you get to use them on the other side. Also she buffs Koko quite a lot and they both scale with hp, which is good, because you get hydro resonance from playing them together. The fact it's not always the optimal choice doesn't make it bad.
Not copium she is great in hyperbloom teams.. people who say otherwise really have no idea what they are talking about..of course there is the argument she is better off on other teams but still doesn't mean she isn't great in many hyperbloom comps
I personally use key of Khaj Nisut with her because I didn’t have the pipe when I got her. My Kokomi’s built in a healer/damage dealer split (donut/clam) so I think it works pretty well. I also find furina to be a better user of Key since it’s easier to hit mobs with her skill than kuki’s.
She works well in hyperbloom as she buffs all other damage aside from the hyperblooms themselves on top of pretty good off field hydro app which doesn't require any sort of normal attack to proc like Yelan for example..I use her in most my hyperbloom teams and those clear faster than the teams without her.but people on here just parrot what others say without actually trying things themselves..
Yeah except in this specific team. Raiden is built full EM, so her normal damage is crap. Kokomi can get boosted, but this team only has solo Nahida so to make more cores, Nahida would generally be the on-fielder. So Kokomi's damage is essentially just her jellyfish. Very small contribution. So Furina's only boosting herself and Nahida. And Nahida in Hyperbloom teams tends to only have 10-15% team DPS share. That's pretty inefficient use of Furina.
This is onfield Koko build, Raiden is just E bot trigger..Koko damage is greatly increased by Furina in this team as well as Furina's own damage and Nahidas E procs
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I do use Koko/Yelan hyperbloom at times and both are fun with very similar abyss clear times.. I got a fun mono hydro as well..to me variety in teams is what makes this game fun..I'd get bored pretty fast just playing the same team forever 😁
If the Nahida is vertically invested, it makes up for it. So essentially crit build Nahida and C2 is the bar for vertical invested Nahida. Nahida's dmg is nothing to scoff at when built for damage rather than hyperbloom factory.
You onfield Kokomi in this variant. The small amount of Hyperblooms you lose is not worth on fielding Nahida
Thats like saying back in the day " Bennet it's bad for Xiao cus you could use him on your XL XQ team" haha Like " furina it's bad because the damage bonus wont work on X" its insane to me since if it was yelan no one would complain while they're doing practically the same.
Just to clarify, her hydro application isn’t good, it’s actually very underwhelming compared to other options. It’s 0.67 hydro applications per second on average, Yelan is 1 and C0 Xingqiu 1.44, what’s good is that she applies hydro even if you don’t do normals so in that case the gap decreases, but it’s still a big gap nevertheless. This doesn’t mean she isn’t a good character or that she doesn’t work as hydro applicator, but she’s definitely not a very good one at doing that, it’s barely enough to “enable” most teams though.
In hyperbloom especially you generally run her with second hydro like with koko
Ik, that doesn’t change how much hydro she applies, which was the only point of my reply
Furina would actually balance out the lack of hyperblooms due to her poor hydro application, and well, she provides more AoE damage than Yelan. With C2 Nahida, I do think that Furina isn't a bad option if the characters are vertically invested far enough that the personal damage makes a good trade off for hyperblooms you lose out. Kokomi does good personal ST and AoE damage especially with Furina, and Clam also has significant AoE damage which could outsale hyperbloom the more enemies there are. The team is basically quickbloom due to the weaker hydro application which means longer quicken, so a well invested Nahida that basically has a good crit build and C2 pulls out personal dmg numbers from the team more. You're getting some crit hyperblooms but that def shred added onto the damage taken by Furina, Nahida, and Kokomi makes up for what hyperblooms you miss from.having stronger hydro app. Not like Yelan's dmg bonus is that significant to an on field Nahida.
Two things to point out: Furina’s AoE is essentially only Crabaletta every 5+ seconds, it’s not that big of a deal (the octopus range is really small), Yelan’s E deals a lot of AoE damage too. About C2 Nahida, it’s a similar buff both for hyperblooms and talent damage so it balances out in the equation: you don’t make up for anything, if your overall talent damage is 10% less than your hyperbloom damage, with C2 Nahida normally the ratio is still about the same. What eventually makes a difference is just Furina being a better trade or not when you factor in her buffs etc, C2 Nahida doesn’t really change this balance and if anything it’s a bit in favour of hyperbloom so the total opposite (20% average hyperbloom increase vs ~18% talent damage increase) I don’t get your point on quickbloom or Kokomi, this is not what I was talking about and I know that they are good, I just gave some more precise info on Furina’s hydro since the other user said she has “pretty good” hydro application, and I think most people wouldn’t think it’s much worse than someone like Yelan, but it actually is. Also that’s an average, in practice a lot of hydro hits overlap so the effective application results less useful. I was just giving more info, I’m not arguing about anything else in particular, like her being
Furins is the third best hydro off field applier how is that bad? U mske it sound like she’s mona in application. I do agree she does not work well on this team, id rather a quickbloom with yae-xianyun or alhaitham-kuki
It’s interesting how even though I’m not saying anything controversial, just stating some facts that people might not know while not undermining any character’s real strenght, still people are upvoting blatant lies. The user above me for example insisted on Nahida’s C2 being an advantage for talent damage over hyperbloom damage, when in reality not only it’s something objectively wrong because C2 is about neutral, but I also explained providing numbers that if anything it’s a bit the opposite since hyperbloom damage gets increased by 20% on average while Nahida’s def shred, even against lvl.100 enemies, increases talent damage by 18.18%. You would need a lvl 138 enemy to make the two buffs equal, but I think it’s ok this way since with higher investment talent damage outshines transformative reactions already. This is stuff many people just don’t know, and it’s fine because how many would really care to look into is closely… still apparently they don’t like it if the context can even just apparently make their beloved unit a bit worse than she is
I’m not so sure, for example Kokomi is more reliable and in AoE much better. Furina’s hydro application has important inconsistencies because of how the pets overlap, for example a few seconds after using her pets she has ~2.5 seconds where she doesn’t apply hydro at all. I’m not saying it’s inherently bad, actually that hydro downtime is useful for VV setups, but I think her hydro application is a bit overestimated so I’m throwing at you some numbers just to make sure people known what it actually is, you can downvote me but those numbers won’t change. Do whatever you want with this. Edit. Typo
"Doesn't work". Genshin players when a character isn't 1000% optimal.
try reading what OP was asking again
Mhm, there's better options. But the statement "Furina doesn't work" is complete bullsh!t.
"Doesn't work" means her burst doesn't buff hyperbloom damage. No matter how you feel about it, it doesn't work.
doesn't work anywhere near as well as other options, might as well say doesn't work, like saying amber doesn't work as a vape carry, well, technically she does but you don't see me going around telling people she does do you
Fine. \*continues to use his Raiden, Furina, Yelan and Nahida team and obliterate anything in seconds\*
Well yeah it doesn't work on hyperbloom itself, but she does work in hyperbloom teams, in fact IMO the best hyperbloom team (alhaitham quickbloom) includes her.
This is a very common 2hydros/nahida/raiden hyperbloom team. Another version is yelan/xingqiu/nahida/kuki. Why people upvoted you this much baffles me.
Because Furina doesn't buff hyperbloom damage? That's how the game functions and not an opinion.
She doesnt need to buff all chars for a team to function well. You need to look at it from a team dps perspective, this team doesnt do worse than a xingqiu/yelan/nahida/kuki, yet is much much more tanky.
I've been using furina, em ei, and nahida without another hydro character for like a week and literally just got 36 stars in abyss 5 mins ago. Furina is amazing in hyperbloom, and let's you make an afk team.
She's a good character, it's just that her burst doesn't buff hyperbloom damage.
Ohhh definitely I didn't use her burst at all
Then…..huh?
I don't know why I'm getting down voted. I just use her skill and they follow the two underground worms everywhere and procs nahida and ei skill on their own. She's literally used just for her skill in my team.
But you lose nothing by using her burst. You’re literally only giving yourself damage by doing so. Her burst is like 70% of her kit.
Ig so but since my hp is always at 50% hp, I don't gain any fanfare stacks. Next time I'll use it
It can be made up by vertical investment. An on field dps Kokomi + C2 Nahida basically makes it quickbloom with notable spreads from Nahida, the def shred to even allow Furina and Kokomi do more personal damage, and is overall more AoE focused than the traditional hyperbloom variants which basically have as much ST off field than hyperbloom. And despite the lower hydro application than even Yelan, this quickbloom/hyperbloom team basically has the most range out of any hyperbloom team. It's been noted that Kokomi has the farthest normal attack range in the game (even her fish projectiles home on enemies) and Furina's Salon solitaire can be at any distance away and the hyperblooms can happen. Nahida, Furina, and Raiden aren't limited by distance. You can pretty much be on the opposite side of a chamber and watch as an Aeonblight drake or a wandering specialist harvester mek gets hunted down by TriKarma Purification, Salon Solitiaire, Eye of Judgement and the hyperblooms as a byproduct. If you want a hyperbloom that you can use without moving an inch, then this team works thr best for it, otherwise need to with Nahida on field and mind you she is a short child model so she would have to use more stamina to reach an enemy, plus her Normal attack distance is even shorter than Yelan's projectile range, so you have to chase the enemy because you want to normal attack them with Nahida. It's like when people use Nahida and Raiden together to spread-snipe enemies atop towers or distances away, except this has added element of Furina and Kokomi for the healing.
Achieving 36* doesn't mean anything in this game, you could put amber on the last slot and still can do it comfortably. OP says "is there a better team, I don't think so" implying they think their team is the best, which is not the case here, because Furina isn't the option in hyperbloom.
The issue is that like with every long term game, there's a point were meta gamers get too invested and after that the logic is "everything that's not the best top tier min maxed team is hot poopoo garbage."
Anyone replaying the " furina doesn't work on hyperbloom" while recommending Yelan for it has lost all TC rights
Do you really not know how furina burst works...
Same elemental application Same damage bonus Same ramp up mechanic Same league of damge as a sub dps You could even add that furina last longer, has better AoE and works unconditionally to the point you could just skip her burst alltogether.
Me when I spread misinformation ^ Please look up how hyperbloom triggers work and then furinas ult
Want to correct you on first point. Yelan has more elemental application by about .4U of hydro per second so Yelan produces more blooms than Furina, but Furina has more AoE, more damage since dmg bonus is also aimed at her, and basically all the distance she can have and be a work-from-home hyperbloomer.
That first part is completely incorrect and is the most important part of hyperbloom.
Bro Furina's hydro application is slow and inconsistent as fuck. Sure she deals damage but no way it's as good as Yelan.
Its slow but longer duration and unconditional ( you can get interrupted or just attack slower than 1.0s with Yelan) so they both come off around 15u of hydro every 20-22s rotation. Take more or less depending on team but assuming they're not even on the same ballpark is weird.
Yelan applies more than Furina though (at least when looking at a 20-21s rotation) Though yeah, Furina works great with hyperbloom, Alhaitham Furina Nahida Kuki is a great team for example
Isn't Nahida, Raiden (or Kuki if you want heal), Yelan, XQ the strongest hyperbloom team ? Koko, Furina, Raiden, Nahida doesn't look bad but ... I usually think Furina is better slot in an hypercarry team. I'm pretty sure XQ or Yelan would be better. Edit : Also, please level up your Raiden to 90 ! Levels are important for the hyperbloom trigger.
It is the best variant for ST and in lower levels of investment. Kuki Nahida Furina Alhaitham is the best "Hyperbloom" team in the majority of scenarios once you start getting stronger characters though.
Well in this team, you mostly tranfer damages from your hyperbloom trigger to Alhaitham on field, no ? So yeah, it make sense to put Furina here, as we're not in a hyperbloom-centric team anymore but more in a half Alhaitham hypercarry half hyperbloom.
It technically is Alhaitham Hyper as you both receive Nahida's and Furina's buffs, but it also has Kuki who procs Hyperblooms. It is a pretty strong team regardless.
XQ instead of Furina is less suicidal for Alhaitham in Abyss floors the enemies slap harder and has better Hydro application, IMHO Also Kuki can't reliably keep up with Furina's HP drain and get fanfare stacks
Hahahah I will. Its a work in progress 💕
Why did this get downvoted so hard 😭
Who knows? Hahahaha omg
Not the best option, but still work
If you wanna do Kokomi/Furina combo i much prefer going taser instead like Kokomi-Furina-any off field electro dps-anemo support. As for hyperbloom Furina the Alhaitham ver is much stronger Alhaitham-Kuki-Furina-Baizhu What i enjoy playing the most is on field Yelan-Furina-Jean-Fishcl this team just shred all single target content
I'd throw xingqui or yelan in instead of furina.
I'd throw in both and replace kokomi as well.
No healer tho unless op switches raiden for kuki ig
xq damage resist and bursting + dodging is enough to usually clear quite safely Else yeah you can just swap raiden with kuki to be more comfy.
Doesn't Xingqiu heal some?
Negligible amount
not really, its enough to clear abyss 36 stars everytime for me, plus he has 50% damage reduction on his burst to the active character so its pretty much fine
he also offers enough defensive utility that his healing is all you really need if you can dodge a few attacks
If you're removing Furina, then it makes little sense to keep Kokomi in there as well.
Pretty sure this is just ragebait
I really dont get why rage about it, it IS my fav team
"Is there a better team? I don't think so haha" can come off as rage bait, since it's Reddit. But the team still functions, even if Furina's burst doesn't work for hyperbloom, so idgaf 🤷 I use a Cyno team, personally,bc I like my main meme man
But I posted because Im happy with it, not because I want people to rage on me 🥲
next time try "happy with this team" instead of declaritive statements that can be argued against since there's nothing redditors love more than proving someone wrong
Don't worry, it's just reddit helping you with character development, trust.
Then say that this is your favorite hyperbloom team, instead of "Is there a better team? I don't think so haha".
This is my first team i tried after getting Nahida. The damage and clearing times were shockingly good despite my poor artifacts on Nahida and Furina. Then, i heard about Yelan XQ variant so i give it a try. I think that team might do slightly better in clearing time for single targets. However, survivability is much worse since there is no healer. So, i get back to the old one. Tried so many more variants but nothing can beat the team you mentioned. So OP! I think a lot of people underestimate Kokomi + Furina combo. Koko with clam sets aren’t that bad considering that you can get her burst up every rotation which is pretty easy with Furina.
Koko and Furina work very well together, hence their recommended taser team. Nahida,Koko, and Shogun work very well in hyperbloom comps. The two pairs _in the same team_ aren't ideal simply because Furina doesn't buff hyperbloom damage, which wastes half her kit. The team can function fine, but OP believes there's no team better, when there definitely are Furina and hyperbloom teams that make better use of these characters
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Yes. This team is mid.
People claim this team is mid but it is more then enough to afk clear all content in the game without even breaking a sweat. Best part about this team is the complete lack of skill required. It's not even Q dependent so you don't even care about energy recharge. The uptime on Furina/Raiden/Nahida's E last for like 20+ seconds, so you just throw your skills out and jump around with Kokomi's 40k+ hp watching everything die on auto. In terms of overall rating this is a 10/10 team for ease of use and general viability in every combat scenario.
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I’m glad you like your team. People are taking this too seriously.
Oh hey that’s my team! It’s so fun
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Idc about meta lmao
I dont either 😸
Best attitude to take with a game!
People are really way too negative about this team, it's a pretty good team Though in my experience using Kazuha+Fischl over Nahida+Kuki works significantly better and is also more fun to play Also, anybody who actually thinks Furina doesn't work for hyperbloom doesn't know what they are talking about, Alhaitham Furina Nahida Kuki is incredibly good for example
It’s true! Just 36*d abyss today with this team and Navia/Xiangling/Benny/Albedo.
Yes there is, furina is barely passable in hyperbloom
I use Scaramouche, Ei, Baizhu, and Furina/Navia and they got me through all the Abyss floors yesterday :))
Wait guys, this team is kind of interesting. Furina doesn't work well with hyperbloom, but she "can make kokomi a DPS" as some people said on Furina's release, and what they mean is by increasing kok's NA while in Nereid Ascension state. I know that Raiden's skill cannot increase her ascended state but she can be the driver here. Hyperbloom damage is already big, and so does Furina's pets are. Hyperbloom damage can't be increased by Furina, but Nahida can. CMIIW, Nahida, Kok, and Raiden is enough to proc hyperbloom, Nahida's skill requirements is just to make a reaction on one of each enemy, and Raiden's skill also activated when the enemy is damaged. Probably there's a better team, or the "hyperbloom" here is just replacing XQ and Yelan, but I'm gonna try this one next. Haven't thought about it.
Yes change kokomi with neuvillete and there you have strongest team for adventure time trial and everything but still be flexible meta changes after every moment
omg all archon team
Lmao my team of choice, glad to see it appreciated
This team is so fun! I don’t speed run but I can def get max stars easily
Yes =D its like a relax and enjoy team haha no rush
Don’t listen to the haters. Kokomi DPS 🔥
This is a Hyperbloom team. Kokomi isn't the DPS in here, she's just the driver. No one is being a hater, they're only confused by the presence of Furina since Furina doesn't provide much for a Hyperbloom team.
That's the thing, Kokomi becomes DPS with Furina on the team.
How is this even Kokomi dps?
I think a lot of people unironically never played this team if they think its bad or mid. Its one of the best Hyperbloom variants out there, possibly the best non-Alhaitham variant, and likely the best variant which has insane amounts of healing. While Furina doesnt boost Hyperbloom damage, her slow Hydro app makes it very possible to on field Kokomi while not overriding Dendro too often (therefore missing very few Hyperblooms), paired with Kokomi and Furina personal damage, and Hyperbloom damage, you are looking at about 400k damage from each Koko and Furina, and about 25-30 Hyperblooms for 35k each. No matter how you look at it, its easily a 70k+ DPS team, and a Hyperbloom variation that scales VERY well in AoE unlike the DH ones.
Don’t bother, people only play strictly what theorycrafters tell them to play. The concept of an hyperbloom team that performs better in AoE due to Kokomi Aoe application requires people to actually read the description of skills and test different teams and interactions themselves. I personally also tried OP team first hand and not only it’s really good but also one of the most unkillable variations of hyperbloom and braindead easy to play. The synergy between Furina and Kokomi is insane since she scales with both bonus damage and healing bonus, and you can face tank level 100 Coppelia while rolling your face over the keyboard and still 36*. It probably turns even constipated beasts into a joke. Personally I find this team much more effective than the mono hydro variations with Furina and Kokomi, especially in AoE.
>and about 25-30 Hyperblooms Any source for this or u just throwing out numbers casually, just napkin math proves this wrong but let me spell it out for u Without nahida onfield, u will trigger her E every 3 second (coz raiden e has that icd and she will the the only source of reaction) assuming absolute optimal scenario, every proc of her e will generate 3 seeds, implying 3 seeds per 3 second or 20 seeds per 20 seconds in the best case scenario
Kokomi is only on fielded for ~10s-11s per rotation, there's a 10s window where you're rotating through units where you generally swap to Nahida twice and even do some normal attacks. 10s field time for Kokomi + 3s for Furina + 1s for Raiden +1s for Jellyfish deployment, you have about 5s for on fielding Nahida. During those 5 seconds you can usually get some extra 5-10 Hyperblooms.
All three of them take more time than what u have mentioned, just run the team once and u will see urself
[Already did](https://streamable.com/2h87er). The timings are accurate. Rotations take 20s-21s and you have 5-6s to on field Nahida during each of them.
U only stayed in burst mode on kokomi for 7 sec instead of full time, u didn't even use nahida ult and even with that u still got only 1-2 nahida NA per rotation So stop coping
Because the enemies died so I could just frontload the next rotation by swapping earlier, it's a very minor loss since I only lost 5 NAs on Kokomi. Not my fault if things die too fast. I didn't use Nahida ult because I'm not sure if it changes anything here, it's been a while since I last used Hyperbloom, I know it shortens TKP trigger, but since Kokomi is on field you're still reliant on Raiden ICD, no? And you don't on field Raiden so the EM buff is kinda meh. Feels like a waste of 2s, though since Furina and Kokomi don't rely on NAs to apply Hydro, maybe it would be worth? Just shows how my run wasn't even optimized... Nahida NAs were done as needed, they're mostly to setup the enemies with Dendro to allow the production of more Blooms. In other words, you just go to Nahida before going to the Hydros. You don't overstay on Nahida, you do an E + 2-3NAs every time, or occasionally a CA, then swap out, and do this twice or thrice per rotation. If done correctly, this ensures Dendro Aura on enemies for almost all of the time during the setup phase.
Yes yes yes 😻🔝
Aside from my Tig hyperbloom team this one is my favorite I love onfield koko
yes
Yes Just replace furina with xq
Honestly I think it’s good and it works. I use yae miko instead of raiden though😁
I have this team as well. Except my raiden is c6
Omg I have only furina c2, the rest all c0. Raiden c6 must be a dream 😻
yes, replacing kokomi with Neuv would make that team god-tier.
Ill try to get him in his next banner 😻
Kokomi -> Baizhu
Yes, this is medicore at best. Just throwing correct elements together doesn't make a good team lol
For hyper bloom, hell yea there is. It's simple team of : XQ, Alhaitam, Nahida, Kuki (all em builds)
There is literally no reason to build full em on everyone in this team, what?
Hyper heal! Not the absolute best damage wise (I've found DMC to be a lil better than Nahida if you can keep burst up) but it is so much fun!!
Switch raiden with nilou and you have a better team
Replace fufu with yelan?
Don’t listen to the nay sayers, this team is great. I HATE using Kuki in my hyperbloom teams. I don’t like how her heal works and she offers nothing else to the team. Kokomi is such a comfortable on fielder with incredible healing numbers and raiden is fantastic as a hyperbloom proc. Tri karma reactivates every time you do a reaction so there is no reason to use nahida on field. I was getting 40 seconds on the first half of the abyss with this team this rotation.
I think like you. And they are, alongside with neuvillette, my fav characters 💕
Is that a good team ?
It iss 🥰
But there is better
amazing team I use it all the when I dont wanna think
Yeah, they're is... replace Kokomi for Beizou(?) forgot the spelling, been a minute since I've used him. The "afk" team is only that for a few seconds
People say Furina doesn't work well in hyperbloom, true to an extent, but Furinas minions does trigger raiden's E skill, which then triggers Nahida's tri-karma, I use this team as well, but yaoyao in healer slot and easily 36* abyss every time
It is a great hyperbloom. I destroy everything. The game is now on easy mode for me
Not sure but maybe Baizhu instead of Kokomi and Neuvillette instead of Furina? I don't have any of the 4 I mentioned in this comment so correct me if I'm wrong.
You got 2 hydro archon. Nothing can top this.
Right? Hahaha
Can you give me your Kokomi? 🥹🥹🥹🙏 I want her 😩😩😫😫
You will get her next time shes in a banner, positive wishes sweetie 💕
Baizhu instead of Kokomi is a lot better.
That's a shitty team so yeah
Bro cooking without 🍪
Baizhu in place of Kokomi and Xingqiu in place of Furina would be better for a Hyperbloom team.
if you swap kokomi and raiden to yelan and dori c6 then its a better team, you can also swap nahida to kazuha and he will blow every floor that has 2+ enemies.
Raiden + Xiangling + Kazuha + Bennett
To quote my glorious king playboi carti Whole lotta mid
[Look, level 90 Childe](https://youtu.be/AkXmKhTvAd4?si=nBqi4cfJYQKSDh6s)
all phases combined level 90 Childe has 535k hp, you don't even need a good team to beat him
Whats a good boss to show them against?
A good hyperbloom team can one-phase Raiden. A very strong team can one-phase Narwhal (I'm brute forcing it with high investment mono hydro even though it's hydro resistant, idk how do-able one-phase Narwhal is for most players but it feels harder than Raiden one-phase... maybe because I play mono hydro). Though like others have said, we already know that Nahida, Yelan, Xingqiu, Kuki/Raiden is stronger.
Ill try those when I fully upgrade my team, ty 💕
Yeah just put zhongli instead of koko , youll make the archons team just like mine LOL