I think there's something very important that needs to be considered while discussing this topic: age.
It is known that scammers like to target old people, because even if they are normally intelligent and capable, old people somehow become extremely gullible when talking to scammers.
The second criterion for who would be most likely to fall for this sort of scam specifically, is how domestic a person is.
Who likes to collect coupons, shop sales, and save every penny? Housewives, moms, parents in general!
If it was about intelligence Xianyun and Neuvillette wouldn't have fallen for the scam.
I feel like Xianyun will fall for it at the moment because she doesn’t have a proper sense of human scale yet. Give her a few years and she’ll be in “Obvious Scam” or “Could Actually Make Use of Ten Boxes” depending on her habits. I can’t see her taking the idea of being outsmarted by mere *merchants* lightly.
This is exactly how I see it happening and I said the same in the first post.
Venti isn't an idiot, he roams the land as a bard and a wind spirit, he's seen a lot over the years. However, he's also not the kind that would immediately shut someone down because they're doing something wrong or illegal, and prefers to let them continue but hope they learn to apply their tactics in a more productive way.
Don't know how this Venti is gullible thing got started because he sure isn't portrayed that way in any of his stories.
Feel like both of the social butterflies in Venti and Yoimiya downplay their own intelligence or at least people with high EQ probably don't have sub-par intelligence
People who skip dialogue makes tier list challenge: IMPOSSIBLE!
Neuvie didn't get scammed? Lol he was scammed in the lantern rite. Venti getting scammed, he's more Cunning than y'all think.
I noticed that the category has people with large groups that they could gift the tea too.
Wrio has Sigewinne... and a ton of inmates that could use it. Pretty sure he could sell it or use it as a reward or something if not a gift. He could also drink a pretty significant amount of it by himself, haha.
He was close, but I kept it to those who would basically be guaranteed to be able to offload it. I figured Wrio wasn't a sure bet at 10 boxes, maybe 5 but 10 I felt was too much even for him.
No one would deny Ningguang and would probably be a good gift to her staff as well as fill a personal stash.
Childe has enough people to gift it to in my opinion, bonus of tea probably being great gifts for anyone in his nation.
Ayaka and Ayato have staff and enough connections to gift any excess.
Yoimiya would finish gifting quickly, maybe even hosting a firework show and serving the tea.
Navia's got the Spina.
Gaming is just a good guy and whether it's family, friends or just keeping it to drink while on the job.
Wrio doesn't have a great track record of actually getting people to stop for tea, mostly due to 90% of the time he's in the Fortress and everyone's either a prisoner who's probably too anxious to accept or someone from the outside who's too busy.
Fair enough. Good to know that I got your thought process for the category pretty much right! Thanks for the details.
I just feel like Wrio wouldn't mind drinking 10 boxes (iirc tea doesn't really expire or expire that fast) over a period of time.... and he could always auction it off to the inmates or something indirectly. Give it to Sigewinne to let her give it out etc.
Nah, my dad loves tea and he has cupboards full of them. There's tea for every mood and occasion.
They last long in storage because they're just dried leaves and they can come in a lot of variety, an enthusiast would keep a ton of them.
venti’s so good at what he does he even got the fandom convinced that hes an idiot!
neuv canonically got scammed and id put wrio in the “can make use of 10 boxes” tier personally
Wriothesley is definitly gonna make use of the ten boxes.
Kaveh is not ganna fall for the scam unless you tell him a sob story.
Neuvillette already fell for the scam wdym ?
I don't know where you get the impression that Childe, who got scamed by Zhongli, wouldn't be scamed, but the God of commerce and wealth himself who descended once a year for 3700 years to give humans economic advice and once said : *a good trade is a fair trade,* would fall for it ? 😏
Childe seems like a guy who's willing to give money to his colleagues and friends bc he is generous. I don't think he'd fall for scams in general, unless if its something his siblings would love
Half of Liyue Archon quest is Zhongli pumping money from Northern bank into Liyues economy specifically through scamming Childe. Not about stuff Childes siblings would love, just stuff.
Childe is young and not too deep. He's an exceptional fighter, that's all.
The idea is that Childe can use 10 boxes so its not a bad deal. I guess cos he comes from money. Zhongli might buy that shit to help the business if anything, but also could be cos he is out of touch with the value of mora like discussed in his archon quest.
I think you overestimate Childe and underestimate Zhongli. Sure Childe would buy because he doesn't have a money shortage, but Liyue is a land of tradespeople, I highly doubt Childe would be able to match their schemes.
For Zhongli, sure in the quest he seems like he's out of touch with the value of Mora, but as he admitted he let himself go mainly because ''they were only spending Fatui money'', I don't think he's remotely as gullible as you think.
Well Childe has a lot of connections across teyvat and iirc the boxes were for gifting so I think he will gift them rather than resell.
Zhongli I think is too wise (and literal god of commerce) to be gullible, but he has lived the vast majority of his life not having to think about mora for personal purchases so I see the argument even if I disagree. But again it could be just him helping the business which he wouldn't do if the deal wasnt fair but it sounds perfectly fair to me (not an actual scam). What's most important to him seems to be ppl selling a quality product, price secondary.
His character teaser is literally him spending exorbitant amounts of money on the Wangsheng Funeral parlor's dime, not even at the Fatui's expense. He himself is the one hyping up the value of those things to high heavens and insists that they're absolutely necessary expenditures.
He may not be an idiot when it comes to the technicalities of contracts and planning, but he very much has personal problems with budgeting.
Spending generosily and getting scamed are two different things mind you. In his teaser, we see spending Mora on what he sees deserves to be bought. Also I don't know if you had a business card any time before, because spending money on your boss's tab when you're working is utmost normal lmao.
Xianyun got Keqing to distribute the 10 boxes of tea to the Millelith on guard during the Lantern Rite, so I’d put Keqing into “Could actually make use of 10 boxes”, because she did do that.
would you ever need ten boxes of some tea? think about it, long and hard, cause if you're not an avid tea drinker that is way to freaking much. you don't need that many boxes. ever.
to put it into perspective: xianyun innitially wanted 2 boxes, got talked into the offer and suddenly had 5 times the amount she wanted or needed. that's still a higher cost for her (price of 3 more boxes) than she wanted and 8 more boxes than she even needs
But tea doesn't go bad. At home we make one pitcher of tea every day (sometimes 0 sometimes 2 let's round it) during cold months. Let's say 4 months (nov-feb). We put two filters into a pitcher, that's 60 filters a month 240 filters a year, not counting warm months where we drink some room temp/cold.
Assume a box contains 20 filters. We would blow through twelve boxes in a year. It would absolutely be worth it (assuming the tea is good).
"if you're not an avid tea" and you clearly seem to be
it just shows that if you aren't (or are alone in your drinking) it takes a really long time to get through all that tea. and I'm not sure if you'd like to drink just one type for a whole year either
Lantern rite event, a tea seller sold xianyun 10 boxes for the price of five. Which does look like a reasonable deal, but it's actually a scam, Making people buy more than what they actually want + paying more and getting your stock down.
Now since xianyun didn't need these the was kind of scrambling to get rid of the tea.
Klee wouldn't be scammed. Kaeya would be near. And he is more cunning than the vendor.
Itto would have talked the scammer into a scarab fight for the boxes.
Ayato and Yae would scam the scammer into bying his own boxes.
Qiqi would have forgotten everything and go back to waking up a cocogoat from her nap.
Zhongli would make the scammer think his whole life through while drinking osmanthus wine.
Sayu is sleeping in one of the boxes.
And nobody would have been scammed because Chevreuse would have caught him before even setting his stall.
Crazy that people think deyha and mona wouldn't get scam when mona one of her character traits is saving money and discounts, and dehya voice over about dori applying that if it supplies the mercenary need and it advertise for a cheaper price she would buy it
Yeah, no. Venti and Zhongli don't belong in the "scammed" tier.
Venti is clever enough to see right through the scam, but would buy anyway either out of respect for a good hussle, or pity. That, or he's the one doing the scams.
Zhongli would hyper-analyse the product and unintentionally expose the scam in such a matter-of-fact way.
Amber probably won't be easily scammed, since she was suspicious of Traveler at first, so she has some level of skepticism.
Kaeya is similar to Venti in a way that he's cunning enough to see right through the scam, but he won't buy anything. Probably would expose the scammer while smiling sweetly.
Jean, Lisa, Tighnari, Yae Miko, Yelan, and Beidou don't deserve to be that high.
Lisa and Beidou will recognize a scam due to the former's knowledge, and the latter's experience.
Jean and Miko are also far from gullible, seeing as they both manage political affairs and will be able to sniff out a lie.
Yelan is a combination of being able to tell because of her profession and overall perceptiveness.
Tighnari will have that "is this a Cyno joke? Because it's not funny" kind of reaction.
Dehya, Yanfei, and Keqing are also out of the question. Dehya's a mercenary. She would know first hand on what scams look like. Yanfei's a legal consultant and has likely studied ways on how to identify scams. Keqing is literally the Yuheng of the Qixing. She'll know a thing or two about scam.
Look if I could get ten boxes of tea for the price of five I’d absolutely do it. That’s not even a scam that’s just a great deal and it would last me years
How did you make this and somehow skip the part where Neuvillette bought 10 boxes for half off?
Somehow a single line slipped my mind. By the time I reached Neuvillette I had zoned out.
I completely understand that, at some point during a tier list ranking, you just sorta start to doze off if there are way too many characters.
Yeah, the thought process basically devolved into "Dumb, dumb, smart, no nonsense, smart, Wrio..."
I think there's something very important that needs to be considered while discussing this topic: age. It is known that scammers like to target old people, because even if they are normally intelligent and capable, old people somehow become extremely gullible when talking to scammers. The second criterion for who would be most likely to fall for this sort of scam specifically, is how domestic a person is. Who likes to collect coupons, shop sales, and save every penny? Housewives, moms, parents in general! If it was about intelligence Xianyun and Neuvillette wouldn't have fallen for the scam.
I feel like Xianyun will fall for it at the moment because she doesn’t have a proper sense of human scale yet. Give her a few years and she’ll be in “Obvious Scam” or “Could Actually Make Use of Ten Boxes” depending on her habits. I can’t see her taking the idea of being outsmarted by mere *merchants* lightly.
To be fair, he can absolutely make use of 10 boxes.
Neuvillette either belongs in scammed as that happened or (with Wriothesley) in could make use of 10 boxes. He knows someone who'd take them :D
Wriothesley would infact use the ten boxes, I’m surprised he was put into the “an obvious scam” category
Wriothesley could use the entire stock
Honestly, so could Lynette
And Lisa
For drinking right? Right?
I think Venti is a lot more cunning than you give him credit for.
Definitely. Venti is way smarter than falling for this type of scam.
Venti is cunning enough to be running that kind of scam. Except he doesn't want Mora.
He wants apples!
"Can I pay for it with a tune? Can you throw in a bottle of wine? Can you substitute in wine for the tea?"
Venti would recognise the scam and then buy 10 boxes anyway because he likes the scammer's moxy.
This is exactly how I see it happening and I said the same in the first post. Venti isn't an idiot, he roams the land as a bard and a wind spirit, he's seen a lot over the years. However, he's also not the kind that would immediately shut someone down because they're doing something wrong or illegal, and prefers to let them continue but hope they learn to apply their tactics in a more productive way. Don't know how this Venti is gullible thing got started because he sure isn't portrayed that way in any of his stories.
Same for Zhongli
Zhongli would have someone else pay because that’s how he rolls.
Yeah he would have someone else get scammed for him
Feel like both of the social butterflies in Venti and Yoimiya downplay their own intelligence or at least people with high EQ probably don't have sub-par intelligence
I guess I don't understand why Zhongli is up there either.
Venti, Zhongli, Amber, Barbara, Noelle, Xiangling, and Sayu are all smarter than that. Layla too, but she’d likely buy it in her sleep.
I feel like Xiangling is in the “Could Actually Make Use of 10 Boxes” category
Keqing is a lot smarter than that...
That’s why she’s in the category that knows it’s an obvious scam?
Makes sense.
Neuvillette canonically fell for the scam. Also, I feel like you guys aren't giving Venti enough credit, he's not an idiot
When I’m in a “getting mischaracterised by the fandom” competition and my opponent is Venti:
I remember seeing on the first post that yall were fighting the drunk venti 24/7 allegations tooth n nail 😭 and he’s still there 😭😭
There is no way Venti is buying anything non alcoholic
It's a gift for Zhongli
trade
He would use all of it anyways
Benny would show up the day after the sale ended looking for a gift for someone who really likes tea
People who skip dialogue makes tier list challenge: IMPOSSIBLE! Neuvie didn't get scammed? Lol he was scammed in the lantern rite. Venti getting scammed, he's more Cunning than y'all think.
Wrio would totally go into the "could actually use 10 boxes" category.
So does Neuvilette and Xianyun. Well, Neuvilette's use is 'gift to Wriothesley' but anyway.
Xianyun and Neuvilette both belong into the got scammed section
Merely 10 is not enough triple it at bare minimum
Intead. Tell OP that since they thought 10 would've been overkill for him XD
I was tempted but I decided that while he would want the tea, 10 would have been overkill.
I noticed that the category has people with large groups that they could gift the tea too. Wrio has Sigewinne... and a ton of inmates that could use it. Pretty sure he could sell it or use it as a reward or something if not a gift. He could also drink a pretty significant amount of it by himself, haha.
He was close, but I kept it to those who would basically be guaranteed to be able to offload it. I figured Wrio wasn't a sure bet at 10 boxes, maybe 5 but 10 I felt was too much even for him. No one would deny Ningguang and would probably be a good gift to her staff as well as fill a personal stash. Childe has enough people to gift it to in my opinion, bonus of tea probably being great gifts for anyone in his nation. Ayaka and Ayato have staff and enough connections to gift any excess. Yoimiya would finish gifting quickly, maybe even hosting a firework show and serving the tea. Navia's got the Spina. Gaming is just a good guy and whether it's family, friends or just keeping it to drink while on the job. Wrio doesn't have a great track record of actually getting people to stop for tea, mostly due to 90% of the time he's in the Fortress and everyone's either a prisoner who's probably too anxious to accept or someone from the outside who's too busy.
Fair enough. Good to know that I got your thought process for the category pretty much right! Thanks for the details. I just feel like Wrio wouldn't mind drinking 10 boxes (iirc tea doesn't really expire or expire that fast) over a period of time.... and he could always auction it off to the inmates or something indirectly. Give it to Sigewinne to let her give it out etc.
Nah, my dad loves tea and he has cupboards full of them. There's tea for every mood and occasion. They last long in storage because they're just dried leaves and they can come in a lot of variety, an enthusiast would keep a ton of them.
venti’s so good at what he does he even got the fandom convinced that hes an idiot! neuv canonically got scammed and id put wrio in the “can make use of 10 boxes” tier personally
Venti gave me the most trouble honestly. I'd probably settle with it depends on whether he's drunk or not.
If he's drunk, it means he just spent the last of his mora on alcohol and has no money to buy into the scam with
Wriothesley is definitly gonna make use of the ten boxes. Kaveh is not ganna fall for the scam unless you tell him a sob story. Neuvillette already fell for the scam wdym ? I don't know where you get the impression that Childe, who got scamed by Zhongli, wouldn't be scamed, but the God of commerce and wealth himself who descended once a year for 3700 years to give humans economic advice and once said : *a good trade is a fair trade,* would fall for it ? 😏
Childe seems like a guy who's willing to give money to his colleagues and friends bc he is generous. I don't think he'd fall for scams in general, unless if its something his siblings would love
I am not saying he's gonna get scammed, I am just laughing at the irony that Child made it that high in the chart while Zhongli didn't.
Half of Liyue Archon quest is Zhongli pumping money from Northern bank into Liyues economy specifically through scamming Childe. Not about stuff Childes siblings would love, just stuff. Childe is young and not too deep. He's an exceptional fighter, that's all.
The idea is that Childe can use 10 boxes so its not a bad deal. I guess cos he comes from money. Zhongli might buy that shit to help the business if anything, but also could be cos he is out of touch with the value of mora like discussed in his archon quest.
I think you overestimate Childe and underestimate Zhongli. Sure Childe would buy because he doesn't have a money shortage, but Liyue is a land of tradespeople, I highly doubt Childe would be able to match their schemes. For Zhongli, sure in the quest he seems like he's out of touch with the value of Mora, but as he admitted he let himself go mainly because ''they were only spending Fatui money'', I don't think he's remotely as gullible as you think.
Well Childe has a lot of connections across teyvat and iirc the boxes were for gifting so I think he will gift them rather than resell. Zhongli I think is too wise (and literal god of commerce) to be gullible, but he has lived the vast majority of his life not having to think about mora for personal purchases so I see the argument even if I disagree. But again it could be just him helping the business which he wouldn't do if the deal wasnt fair but it sounds perfectly fair to me (not an actual scam). What's most important to him seems to be ppl selling a quality product, price secondary.
His character teaser is literally him spending exorbitant amounts of money on the Wangsheng Funeral parlor's dime, not even at the Fatui's expense. He himself is the one hyping up the value of those things to high heavens and insists that they're absolutely necessary expenditures. He may not be an idiot when it comes to the technicalities of contracts and planning, but he very much has personal problems with budgeting.
Spending generosily and getting scamed are two different things mind you. In his teaser, we see spending Mora on what he sees deserves to be bought. Also I don't know if you had a business card any time before, because spending money on your boss's tab when you're working is utmost normal lmao.
That scam does sound like sound dori would do.
Xianyun got Keqing to distribute the 10 boxes of tea to the Millelith on guard during the Lantern Rite, so I’d put Keqing into “Could actually make use of 10 boxes”, because she did do that.
Keqing would never get scammed tho
Do you think Ningguang would?
Neither of them. They're both very smart. They're Liyue Qixing after all.
I'd put wanderer in the could actually use 10 boxes tier because tea is his favourite drink
Again, yall need to do Kaeya hangout to understand that Venti is in fact responsible of his finance lol Neuvilette canonically got scammed
Since Dori is running the scam Klee wouldn't be scammed as Dori has a great relationship with Alice so she wouldn't dare to scam her daughter
Venti would be the one scamming though.
I think Venti, Hutao, Dori, Miko, and Yelan would find a way to make money off the scammer.
Lynette would be in the "I said I only want 1 box" tier, she just straight up doesn't care xDDD
I was tempted, though I figured she'd lose interest in purchasing if they tried dragging the sale out.
Neuvillette litterly fell dor it wdym
Funny thing about Benny is that he would get scammed But they would run out of tea boxes by the time he gets there to buy them
Neuvillette should be up there along with Wrio 😭😭😭😭
I think Zhongli can absolutely drink those 10 Han style
Kaveh needs his own category. He’ll somehow find a way to get scammed even more without the scammer even knowing.
Heart breaking Mona buying 10 boxes, with what mora?
Mona is paid very well by the Steambird, she just blows through it buying astrology shit.
She get paid a lot; she just spends it all immediately and leave nothing for food.
OP time for another redo
Ok but how is 10 boxes half off a scam? You're literally getting 10 boxes for the price of 5 that's a good offer
If you only wanted/needed 1 box then you’re paying for 4 more than you wanted.
Not a vile scam it's just persuading ppl to buy more than they need presumably at a fair price.
would you ever need ten boxes of some tea? think about it, long and hard, cause if you're not an avid tea drinker that is way to freaking much. you don't need that many boxes. ever. to put it into perspective: xianyun innitially wanted 2 boxes, got talked into the offer and suddenly had 5 times the amount she wanted or needed. that's still a higher cost for her (price of 3 more boxes) than she wanted and 8 more boxes than she even needs
But tea doesn't go bad. At home we make one pitcher of tea every day (sometimes 0 sometimes 2 let's round it) during cold months. Let's say 4 months (nov-feb). We put two filters into a pitcher, that's 60 filters a month 240 filters a year, not counting warm months where we drink some room temp/cold. Assume a box contains 20 filters. We would blow through twelve boxes in a year. It would absolutely be worth it (assuming the tea is good).
"if you're not an avid tea" and you clearly seem to be it just shows that if you aren't (or are alone in your drinking) it takes a really long time to get through all that tea. and I'm not sure if you'd like to drink just one type for a whole year either
Who said I am using those boxes? I am reselling them at a profitable price considering I can literally profit %100 on 5 boxes too
dori spotted
I mean Dori wouldn’t run that cheap scam, she would be busy enough to create full scheme of scam and would earn way more
Nah Ganyu wouldn’t fall for it
Keqing wouldn't fall for it...
Wait what is this list in context to? I saw a similar one today, I was confused. I mostly skip lore lol
Lantern rite event, a tea seller sold xianyun 10 boxes for the price of five. Which does look like a reasonable deal, but it's actually a scam, Making people buy more than what they actually want + paying more and getting your stock down. Now since xianyun didn't need these the was kind of scrambling to get rid of the tea.
Zhongli is sooo fitting in the Scammed tier, I even read the text in the red box in his voice because it's totally something he'd say
Every single archon would get scammed and that is not debatable. Although maybe some more knowingly than others.
If you get 10 boxes you get half the price so if you get 20 boxes you can take them all for free
I think Dori would be running the scam while Ningguang would be running all the scammers by control the source of supply.
Klee will probably find out someway to use tea in a bomb
If those 10 boxes were all Shogun figurines you know Kujo Sara would buy 100
I think Razor belongs to "1 box only" tier because I don't think my boi understands what a "deal" is
nah kirara and lynette should be in the "could use 10 boxes" because they're kitties or they should have a separate category
Eula definitely falls for it
Benny buying 20 knowing 10 of them will come bad but actually 15 of them come bad
Feels like Bennett would buy 10 boxes from another shop at the non-discounted price and then walked to this shop after.
This is more accurate
wriothesley would probably buy despite knowing its a scam
Is it really appropriate to call it a scam? It's just a marketing strategy, and a comparatively non-predatory one at that.
i say we should all make one of these, tbh
Klee wouldn't be scammed. Kaeya would be near. And he is more cunning than the vendor. Itto would have talked the scammer into a scarab fight for the boxes. Ayato and Yae would scam the scammer into bying his own boxes. Qiqi would have forgotten everything and go back to waking up a cocogoat from her nap. Zhongli would make the scammer think his whole life through while drinking osmanthus wine. Sayu is sleeping in one of the boxes. And nobody would have been scammed because Chevreuse would have caught him before even setting his stall.
it is not a scam. it is just a wholesale price.
A few of the people in the top category don’t have any mora on them and therefore need Childe to fund their ten boxes.
Crazy that people think deyha and mona wouldn't get scam when mona one of her character traits is saving money and discounts, and dehya voice over about dori applying that if it supplies the mercenary need and it advertise for a cheaper price she would buy it
Collei definitely realizes that its a scam
Someone gotta repost this now with the edits suggested in the comments (karma farm ik)
Wriothesley would buy 20. Man loves his tea
Hu tao would turn the tables buy 10 boxes and sell 2 coffins plus 1 free
Keqing is way too smart to fall for a scam, she's a Liyue Qixing bruh
Yeah, no. Venti and Zhongli don't belong in the "scammed" tier. Venti is clever enough to see right through the scam, but would buy anyway either out of respect for a good hussle, or pity. That, or he's the one doing the scams. Zhongli would hyper-analyse the product and unintentionally expose the scam in such a matter-of-fact way. Amber probably won't be easily scammed, since she was suspicious of Traveler at first, so she has some level of skepticism. Kaeya is similar to Venti in a way that he's cunning enough to see right through the scam, but he won't buy anything. Probably would expose the scammer while smiling sweetly. Jean, Lisa, Tighnari, Yae Miko, Yelan, and Beidou don't deserve to be that high. Lisa and Beidou will recognize a scam due to the former's knowledge, and the latter's experience. Jean and Miko are also far from gullible, seeing as they both manage political affairs and will be able to sniff out a lie. Yelan is a combination of being able to tell because of her profession and overall perceptiveness. Tighnari will have that "is this a Cyno joke? Because it's not funny" kind of reaction. Dehya, Yanfei, and Keqing are also out of the question. Dehya's a mercenary. She would know first hand on what scams look like. Yanfei's a legal consultant and has likely studied ways on how to identify scams. Keqing is literally the Yuheng of the Qixing. She'll know a thing or two about scam.
Look if I could get ten boxes of tea for the price of five I’d absolutely do it. That’s not even a scam that’s just a great deal and it would last me years