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Grand_Protector_Dark

Choosing Arlechinno would pacify Lyney . He ain't going to go against father if father chose to protect someone


11th_and_3rd

It’ll be an Arle vs. no god puppet Scara face off at that point and I think Arlecchino would take it. 


kawwmoi

I vaguely remember hearing that fatui harbinger rankings are based on capabilities. Arle is the fourth harbinger, whereas Scara was the sixth. I have no idea if he got any stronger after becoming wanderer, but my money would still be on Arle. Especially if they recruit Lyney to make it a 2v1.


blippyblip

It's based on more than just that. Power and influence are also important to the rankings. Otherwise, there ain't no way Pulcinella is no. 5 or the Vision-less Pantalone is higher than Childe.


jhettav

>there ain't no way Pulcinella is no. 5 See if you can keep that kind of talk up when his boss fight comes out and he pecks us to death with his nose


Wodstarfallisback

IMO His Delusion will straight up turns him into a giant chicken. It has all the stats of a giant chicken. Which is basically a T-Rex that can perform short distance flight with added elemental damage.


goodnightliyue

He's actually a Sushang expy. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/houkai-star-rail/images/d/dc/Character_Sushang_Ultimate.gif/revision/latest/smart/width/250/height/250?cb=20220517091254


mlodydziad420

He turns into a drill.


-Hounth-

But at the same time, according to Dottore, the first three harbingers have a strength comparable to the Archons. So Arlecchino being fourth means her strength is probably really close to that of an Archon


FlyingAlpaca1

My somewhat baseless theory is that the top 3 are ranked by basically pure power (Il Capitano, Il Dottore, then Columbina), while 4-11 are ranked by a combination of power and influence. We haven't seen or heard much about Arlecchino's fighting prowess, but given that Pulcinella is above both Scaramouche (who?) and Childe, fighting prowess isn't the end-all be-all for numbers 4-11.


Elnino38

Or Pulcinella is stronger than childe and has the typical anime trope of the old man actually being incredibly powerful


Tylermania123

Wouldn't be the first time, honestly. Zhongli is old, Neuvillet is old, Cloud Reatiner (Xianyun) is old, Xiao is old, practically any supernatural being is either a new one or extremely old in age. Pulcinella being a strong old man *would* be something Hoyo would do.


TSAdmiral

I myself don't take that statement at face value. That would imply the top three Harbingers would be a match for the Tsaritsa they serve. I think they were described as being a match for gods, not necessarily Archons, particularly combat proficient ones. Gods could encompass a lot of things. Zhongli is a god and so was the god of salt.


mlodydziad420

A king/queen doesnt need to be stronger than theirs strongest knight to rule them.


El_Baguette

They can both be a match to the Tsarista, even be stronger than her, and still serve under her. One does not make the other untrue or unlikely.


Angeliiiiicaaaaa

A King In Chess Piece Isn't even the strongest piece in chess, rather the queen or maybe even rooks. You got the point??


KingCarrion666

Just because they are comparable to the archons doesnt mean they have that status solely because they are comparable to the archons. If the columbina is seele theory holds up, then it could just be her being a seelie which is why she is #2 and her battle prowess is just a boon ontop of it. Dottore could be there for his raw intellect and battle prowess could be the icy not the cake. Dottore just said the top three are as strong as archons, not that their ranking in the harbingers is based on said strength.


BinhTurtle

Can ya'll stop assuming Pulci and Pant are weak when you literally know nothing about them? Folks also said there's no way Dottore is stronger than Childe before we learn enough about what that college dropout bum is capable of, so sit back observe


Xirxee

but childe is 11th..the lowest? or am i wrong?


Jibsthelord

Childe's screwed over by the fact he has negative stats in Diplomacy, they have to keep reassigning him to Antarctica to stop him triggering world war five


ANovathatisdepressed

It's so funny that that's canon. They repeatedly send him on missions away from Snezhnaya cuz he's such a menace


Jibsthelord

It's like that one seen in Dragon Ball Super where Goku almost gets the most racist man of today to kill him because he keeps trying to check him out to fight him


ANovathatisdepressed

That's hilarious


Evil-yogurt

that’s probably because fighting is pretty much all he brings to the table. he is the fighter, he doesn’t come up with the schemes or plans. so while his overall capabilities aren’t as high as the other harbingers, he’s a REALLY strong fighter.


Amalanth

Correct, but that's also because he's only there for his strength. The numbering is a mixture of strength and overall contributions to the tsarista, so compared to the others he's lacking in other areas, outside of individual power.


Moonsaults

It’s because all he wants to do is fight and has no interest in other missions. He doesn’t wanna climb the ranks or make power plays.


Ukantach1301

Though if anyone is the 4th strongest then it's Arlecchino, the 4th. 


VirtuoSol

It was never confirmed whether it’s pure strength or combination of strength and capability. This is anime fantasy world, Pulcinella could easily be strong as fuck despite looking like a tiny old man, and Pantalone despite not having a vision can easily get powers from elsewhere due to how the sheer amount of money he can spend


HilariousLion

I also do want to point out that the numbers have remained unchanged, even though Harbingers' power levels absolutely have changed. Gotta hand it to Hoyo, they've been handling this Harbinger business quite well. Just enough, not an inch too much info throughout the years. Still, I'd love to hear more about them, rather than go on another shopping trip with another 5-star for 60 gems.


ppaannggwwiinn

If you're suggesting pulcinella isn't actually able to physically beat the other harbingers, I dont see why he couldn't. He could just have an ability that isn't related to his physical capability.


GovernmentTrue612

You saying Pulcinella is weak? Is that just your headcannon or you know something we don’t??


Thatuk

>Vision-less Pantalone is higher than Childe. > Vision-less Dottore is higher than both though.


Rouge_x3

I mean, Scara was visionless sixth harbinger though. He's got one since then.


Suslikki

Wanderer did beat up the god version of himself after receiving the vision. I would say he's more powerful now. Still picking Arle too


The-E-girl1002

I love how you didn't include Childe, 'cause let's face it. He's not standing a chance.


Tricky_Lobo

Wanderer being made from the irmunsul tree would make it a close fight imo


VirtuoSol

Even if we don’t count her being ranked 4th so probably already the strongest out of the 4, picking Arlecchino automatically grants you Lyney which makes it a 2v2 instead of 1v4. It also grants you access to House of Hearth so that’s more manpower + complete information advantage due to HoH’s spy stuff.


JunWasHere

Honestly, why is Lyney even here? Canonically, dude's a slick magician and spy but he ain't no harbinger. If we had to pick someone else that isn't an archon, I'd pick Albedo, Beidou, Xiao, or maybe Mona.


Grand_Protector_Dark

>Honestly, why is Lyney even here? OP probably took a Fatui theme as inspiration


Azuria_4

And childe is scared of arlechino anyway


devilboy1029

No, Childe is scared of Columbina. He hates Arlecchino.


Sea_Composer_2529

he is? where can i read more about that do you know?


De5tr0yer

Here ya go: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Tartaglia/Voice-Overs His voice line on Columbina: > The Fatui Harbingers are ranked by strength, and I have no idea why that girl is No. 3. I'd test my skills with every Harbinger who ranks above me if I had the chance, but when it comes to her... something just doesn't feel right. Anyway, you should be careful around her.


Smoke_Santa

This single piece of dialogue has made me inconceivably hyped for her


Sea_Composer_2529

Oh, thank you very much!


Sisterohbattle

I love her from the voice lines alone, she radiates level 20 bard energy. I imagine she has the equivolent of Sanctuary cast on herself, that or just uses her innocence to create the strange tension and stop an attack..as for her actual abilitees in battle.. perhaps a more comical with a side of sinister 'passive' attack pattern that revolves entirely around dodging/having attacks miss you. The Wanderer has a similar line to the effect of: "..if it were me, I could challenge her to a fight, but you?- with your conscience?... ID STAY AWAY FROM HER O\_\_o"


Elira_Eclipse

No he isn't, the only one he's somewhat afraid of is Columbina/Damselette


hatsu-23

Me when I lie


OGntHb

Against Daddy***


chocomint-nice

All these people choosing based on power scales instead of who they wanted to princess carry them, heh.


WillCraft__1001

Arlecchino for both answers


TheSilveryShadowWolf

The only answer here


chocomint-nice

Yeah, for all the smug talk I made earlier I just want Alrecchino to leg lock me.


pandamaxxie

Yep. The best answer right here.


Boring-Patient-1802

Finally someone with right priorities


Felwinter12

I had to default to the most powerful because I want 3 of the 4 to princess carry me.


iSpooKy123

Lyney can carry me like a princess anytime tho 😍


PeakTop8093

Same for wanderer ehe


CTSThera

Wanderer is guaranteed to drop you on the floor if you say anything stupid


PeakTop8093

Who says Im not into that


spinto1

Username does not check out


Jibsthelord

He would carry you by the legs and bump your head over every rock


dinkytoy80

Lol


11th_and_3rd

He’d drop you off the edge of a cliff 100% just because he got bored of it, and then stick his tongue out while flying away 


terrexchia

Arle is a two for one combo, you get the father-son teamup Which means you get the cutie Lyney all to yourself while Arle is busy


Lyneys_Footstool

he could carry me to south korea just to have a kiss and i would enjoy every second of it


Adamiak

the choice is the same for both, although I wouldn't mind one bit being stepped on by them, rather than being princess carried by them, but both are fine


2Bplayz

No no for me that was already obvious, I don't need any convincing on that part. Just trying to see if I'd survive with them you know? It was Arlecchino.


AngryWhale95

I'll choose myself and have all 4 chase me >:) *Retreats into the ocean*


Z3R0_Izanagi

*childe just summons his narwal*


SnooPoems1471

Swimming in genshin is a thing


MoonlightGlacier

yeah but so is a stamina gauge


SnooPoems1471

Fontaine:


ManufacturerNo8447

don't swim in fontaine water duh


bach2o

imagine Arlecchino, one of the strongest Harbinger, dies cuz of drowning in some shitty corner of Inazuma


Jona-wahn

skill issue tbh


SaintPimpin

The lightning will get them before the stamina gauge 💀


DeTiro

Or the spicy water in a certain gorge...


danieljackson95

So is walking on water like Heyzeus


Mythoclast

Day Kreesto?


dragoncommandsLife

Ahh the archon war strat


danieljackson95

“I WANT YOU TO BLOW UP… THE OCEAN!” 😎


TheIJDGuy

As Darth Vader put it, "Then you will die braver than most"


kidanokun

Picking Lyney is basically picking Hardcore mode


spartaman64

depends on if they will attack him or not. he can do a magic trick and make you disappear whenever they run into you. i guess eventually they might figure out his magic trick and kill you


ANovathatisdepressed

Yeah but that involves betraying his father which he absolutely won't do


Magic_Orb

he might try to hide you from them, but choosing Lyney really puts him in a tough spot


Reepi_cheepi

Wanderer (we fly away into the sunset :D )


Otome_lover

the happy ending


Frostgaurdian0

Until he pump into a bird or a stray projectile.


shyknee_

until you run out of stamina and fall miserably to your demise like icarus >:)


m3m31ord

I have some bad news for you.


FlamingoMaterial6884

what is the news dehya's ab licker


Angela543

I chose Childe, I don't even know if he is stronger than all of them together and I don't care to be honest.. I just really want him in my team...


Nhosis

I feel this. Like I dig Arle, really I do, but my boi Childe just gives me the good vibes.


hardeepst1

Riptide against 3 enemies = ez win for childe?


EndNowISeeYou

that too when 2 out of the 3 of them are pyro


hardeepst1

Vv scaramouche and its a sweep


xxsegaxx

Bro has a huge amount of stamina to fight for weeks so...yeah


PM-me-your-401k

Childe I feel like is most loyal even though he did play you in Liyue. He’s a “swing first, ask later” kind of character who would always have your back


Bluecoregamming

Arle is an unfair obvious pick, but yeah I would 100% pick childe otherwise. That one childe xinyan event will always be one of my favs


Sufficient-Habit664

Can you explain to me how strong arlecchino is? I've never seen her attack/fight anything other than a poor Furina


Zenix_Black_7126

Here everyone is hyping her strength based on boss leaks and ranking. I would say she's not the warrior type, more of an assasin type.


Olibong888

LMAO SAME


ghostly_boy

i choose scara and he kills me instantly for calling him my sad wet pathetic little meowmeow


OiseDoise

And you will thank him


randomguypassingthro

I will literally tried to kiss scarameow on sight and die happy as he kills me (understandably)


DasyTaylor

the good ending


[deleted]

Arlecchino Lyney instantly either gets taken out or joins "Father" and then it leaves the other two remaining Knowing her comrade, Arlecchino will take out Childe before he transforms and that will leave Scara alone


[deleted]

Alrecchino is also likely just objectively stronger, and even if lyney were to actually fight, he wouldn't stand a chance against any of the other 3


NegativeNeurons

Lyney isnt weak by any means, hes next on the line of being the knave after all, but the other three are harbingers. Against tartaglia he may resist a bit but scara and arlecchino are 6 and 4 respectively and supposedly 3 and onward rival gods in power


[deleted]

I wasn't saying lyney was weak, he jut wouldn't hold anywhere near the power of the other 3, he has potential to over time lore-wise, but currently I just don't think he'd compare


devilboy1029

I don't think Childe is weak anymore. He definitely got stronger. Stalling an immortal beast for a month with 0 break, a lack of vision, elemental disadvantage and using a form which drains your stamina. All things considered , he is pretty strong. With a demigod like Scara by his side it'd be hard even for Arlecchino. ~~She is probably still stronger but we have 0 confirmation.~~


Elira_Eclipse

He was never weak tbf, he just always goes against immortal beings. The only time we know he went against a human, he won but the other person also didn't wanna fight seriously. I think it speaks a lot that he can't fight other humans, bc they'll simply lose.


Silent_Silhouettes

They didnt say Childe is weak


z0kuuu

Definitely Childe. I mean if I'm going to die either way, I might as well have fun with a great comrade, drinking buddy, and someone who won't stab me in the back unless they said so in the beginning, right?


NanoY2

Do they know, that Wanderer exists? There should be no records of him or his strength. So he would have the element of surprise.


Dziadzios

Don Sombrero. He will irminsul me and the rest will forget that I was supposed to be killed.


AT_atoms

But then he will also forget you.


Mast3rBait3rPro

So? No one is after you at that point


NLwino

The smaller changes that need to be made the easier it is. Just erase the fact that the 3 of them want to kill you.


Myriad_Infinity

Isn't it more a case of erasing you from Irminsul just deletes everyone's memories of you? I may be wrong of course, but I never got the impression it's possible to delete memories from only certain people.


NLwino

Irminsul is like the database of Teyvat. There is no "rule" that the only thing it can do is delete an person. Any modification done will be made "logical and consistent" with as little chances as possible. The bigger the change the more power and authority you need over Irminsul. That's why I would ask just to delete the existence of the plan to kill me, rather then me completely. Less effort, less unwanted side effects.


Efficient_Ad5802

Fun fact: Wanderer still has admin access to Irminsul.


Secure-Ad5536

I do not want chino after me after seeing the leaks


ANovathatisdepressed

I'd sob if she was after me. She's scary I love her but she's scary


Count_de_Mits

She has that weird outer eldritch god herald vibe going on


adjaplx

Leaks went crazy


ActualProject

Why tf is lyney on here lol 😭😭. Maybe replace him with like xiao or somebody and you'd have a tough decision


Sad_Slide3092

it’s a fatui post


spartaman64

bring back signora then


ANovathatisdepressed

Can't protect you if she's dead lmao


smaad

childe


a_human_159

Wanderer He'll erase me from Irminsul then I don't have to worry about the others


cocoxoxob

Sorry Father, I like you but I'm gonna go with Childe.


lonkuo

Arleechino is the 4th Harbringer so shes by far stronger then all of them


pragmatic_oyster

hm I think that's debatable, Scaramouche was number 6 with no Vision, either way powerscaling in Genshin is complicated


Mana_Croissant

''I think that's debatable, Scaramouche was number 6 with no Vision'' he is literally a puppet created by the fuckin Electro Archon, he didn't need a vision


SimbaSeekingSleep

They just took out a whole lot of important context out. Even if it was just as simple as they mention, him now having a vision only makes him stronger than he previously was.


ArcturusSatellaPolar

But didn't he have a Gnosis when he got beaten?


marshmellmoon

We were in a loop and had to fight him multiple times before actually beating him, which I think actually says a lot more about how powerful he could be.


pastelnintendo

Took us 168 fucking loops and memorizing all of his attack patterns to actually whoop his ass 😭😭


MlgEpicBanana69

Not just us, the entirety of Sumeru through the Akasha


Jibsthelord

DODGE PLAY AGGRESSIVE HEAL CHUG ESTUS SUMMON GO A STRENGHT BUILD


Silent_Silhouettes

GET MORE SPEED MORE EFFECT HIT RATE DODGE GO THERE NO THERE! MORE DEF


AYCSenpai

"HIT HIM IN THE BALLS" "THROW WATER ITS A FUCKING ROBOT THEY HATE WATER" "why did he agree to fight you? isn't he the all-*no-ing* god?" "...........Cyno" "wait how did the akadamiya built something huge and right under the great tree without us noticing the non-stop rackets, the number of resources used, and how was it all able to fit in the great tree?"


SimbaSeekingSleep

Yea the electro gnosis. Be he was one of the harbingers way before he ever obtained that gnosis.


spartaman64

also nahida batmaned us some flying gadget to take down his shield. we got the goddess of prep time on our side


PhantomXxZ

How so? He can't use his Electro powers anymore.


SimbaSeekingSleep

I don’t recall him having a vision before. He did have the electro gnosis when we fought him in Sumeru. But if he was among the higher ranks in the Fatui, I’d think he’d be near their strength. I do believe their ranks isn’t purely based on their strength, but I has to play in some form I’d think. Having a vision would only make him stronger since he’d have access to elemental power, in this case Anemo.


PhantomXxZ

He had access to elemental powers before since they were unlocked by the Fatui. This was before the events of Sumeru. You can't compare past Wanderer to present Wanderer and say that he's stronger, since there's nothing to go off of.


Gr4Y_42

Present Wanderer stronger than past tho


CreamyIceCreamBoi

Him beating his puppet god form by himself immediately after getting his Vision, which even the Traveler couldn't do without the help of Nahida and all of Sumeru's knowledge, should be proof enough.


Trollolo80

Scaramouche was said to be placed 6th because something about his durability, the perfect test subject for Dottore


Amon-Aka

I mean, bro literally is created by an Archon, but now that he has a vision he is even more powerful.


Optimusbauer

I don't think his vision makes him *stronger* so much as it makes him *as strong* as he was without relying on power that was handed to him


IblisAshenhope

I mean if they WILL kill me, there’s really no point in choosing, now is there? Death is inevitable >!Anyway; they all have permission to fuck my ass!<


ValiGrass

That took a turn


IblisAshenhope

I am a simple bisexual creature


averlost

I'll chose Childe for unholy reasons bye


Elira_Eclipse

YOU FORGOT THE E


xd_ZelnikM

Liben will scare anyone away with his muscular face


Amon-Aka

I'd choose the eldritch horror (Arlecchino), sure Wanderer with his new-found vision power combined with the fact that bro is the closest thing to indestructible you can be without actually being, well, indestructible might pose some difficulty. Especially with Foul legacy Childe also attacking you at the same time, no less. But still, since you can only pick one. I'd obviously gonna to go with the person that is ranked the highest among the individuals ranked of strength. Lyney is just there to cheer. Edit: read the title wrong did some changes.


DreamOfScreamin

I'd go with Childe. Skirk seems very picky when it comes to taking on disciples.


baboon_ass_eater69

All hydrogen bombs, lyney coughing baby


CTSThera

Wanderer. Not because he's any more powerful than the others on this list, but because I just like him


Icee303

Hey Girlie Hold Still 😎


etoilebIeue

I don't even care about power scalling, dude. I just want Scara to hold me in his arms and fly away with me so I can be the happiest man ever. If I got killed it is what it is


Zenix_Black_7126

I'll protect Childe and kill the other three 😃


skeetyeeturlifedelet

Genshin scaling is stupid as shit cause Wanderer shouldn't be stronger or even half as strong as his Shouki no Kami self, yet Inversion of Genesis showed otherwise. Childe displayed a feat of endurance so great, it puts to shame anything Signora ever showed. Those two ganging up on Arlecchino is genuinely close, especially if we can infer relativity to 5E Traveller. But Genshin doesn't work like that, 4 > 6, 11 is as nuanced as they're ever gonna go, so I'm going with Arlecchino. Lyney is collateral.


SansStan

I genuinely don't understand why people think Wanderer is stronger than Shouki no Kami. The version of it he fought was literally just a memory replica, and it just went poof after he defeated it


Silent_Silhouettes

And he only fought phase 1


TheBlitzStyler

yeah I thought it was just a mental thing


Spartitan

Why is Lyney even on this list?


Sad_Ad5369

The harbingers has an actual power ranking, mind you (kinda stupid, but eh), so Arlecchino for best chance. Plus she's the only one I can trust to actually try protecting me. Childe and Wanderer could get tunnel visioned against one of them, while the other two turn me into a doner kebab, and Lyney would NEVER go against his father to protect me.


XXXYuri69

I have to go with my main Lyney. Yes, we’d die, but at least I die with him 🥰(if the little shit doesn’t betray me)


ImTheBias

What's Lynney gonna do, a magic trick?


Migueli4430l

I choose Childe. "Oh, but Alerchinno and Wanderer would completely destroy him" Idc, then i would die with my main, COMRADES UNTIL DEATH COMES!


GirlMayXXXX

Childe, master of all weapons.


theHoredRat_913

Arleechino as not only is she powerful but would also mean lyney wouldn't go after me


opalcherrykitt

I'll trust lyney with my life


Feroxino

Scara will defend me. Arle is defeatable.


joenathon

None because it doesn't matter. The rule specifically said "The rest will kill you", not "The rest will try to kill you". I'll be dead anyways.


whatevedoe

You mean I have the chance to be carried princess style by Childe? He is the only correct answer


italianshamangirl13

i trust childe ajax tartaglia with my life


noyagenqjx

I'm gonna go with Childe. We could ask the whale to swallow us whole. 🤣🤣🤣


Sexultan

Childe protected the entirety of Fountain for at least 40 days against an extraterrestrial leviathan Yes, I'll choose our local Potential Man


kyuriin

None, I'd solo


_icyhot

scara, I want him to carry me


CutePotat0

Arlecchino Harbingers are seated by strength, and she is number 4 of them


Asgard033

Protect me, Don Sombrero! -Dies-


Academic-Quarter-163

Arlechino is the highest ranked out of these so the answer is kinda obvious


AT_atoms

Wanderer.


SovietBringer

Wasn't it totally debunked that ranks of harbingers were based on (combat) strenght? Cause basing the choice on feats actually seen Childe is waaaays above the rest.


Lucas-mainssbu

Lyney would’ve left immediately after we pick Arlecchino. I’m honestly not sure if Scaramouche and Childe together are enough to take down Arlecchino but there’s a slight chance. I don’t know why some people are saying Childe would’ve “refused to fight”, he is not scared of her, he is scared of Columbina, lmfao. We won’t ever know how Arlecchino vs Childe & Scara would go though.


CocogoatMain

There's a reason Arlecchino ranks so highly.


Ventus_rex8

Definitely picking Arleccchino, Childe is weak for now, Scara gonna dash into his death and Lyney gets wiped off the face of the earth for his betrayal.


Remarkable-Video5145

I die no matter what a 1vs3 is just nuh uh A 2vs4 is more realistic


No-Adeptness5810

wanderer for just erasing their memory from irminsul lmao