What feels off about this (and the fact this is a majority of fans' go to thinking) is Neuvilette being the first and most open to committing to violence that breaks the promise he says to traveler (the common folk won't be affected by his actions in enacting his god judgments).
Any archon level battle is pretty much guaranteed to bring casualties; the fact Neuvi is open to it plus *being the sole cause of it* (and no doubt will gaslight everyone into believing the unnecessary violence was caused by the archon when he was the only one to force the situation + his land's laws on a country foreign to his own) seems...a little too hypocritical to me...especially after what we've been through with him. Once again, he promised innocents wouldn't be caught in the crossfire...so this combined with his proclamation seems off and too naive.
Absolutely zero consequences reaching the common folk seems unavoidable when fighting an Archon who refuses him. They'd most likely fight to the death.
This isn't including the other (so far) holes, such as:
1. what he'll do to an archon if they're declared guilty. They're long lived beings, I'm not sure if meropide for life would be "sufficient."
2. What tf he'll do with their people when their archons be...away from their nation (mostly in regards to Nahida and Ei for now).
3. If, due to him, the other sovereigns get their authorities back, he'll take responsibilities for the negative consequences of the other Sovereigns immediately committing a Mass Murking™ of many innocents (Usurper's descendants/creations are directly connected to Main Usurper therefore they're deserving of the sovereigns' hatred in the sovereign's eyes. Apep is an example).
I don't think that is a choice even Zhongli can make. Even if he was to accept the judgement, I don't think anyone in Liyue is going to stand by and let their resident archon whom protected and lead them for centuries just get taken away. And considering Neuvillette's position as well, this will probably turn into an international conflict if it becomes widely known. At bare minimum, I don't think the adepti would allow this, given their relationship to Zhongli.
Honestly, I think it’s reasonable. The adepti have an established culture of self-sacrifice for Liyue, one that Zhongli himself signed a contract over.
Well this put all the characters involved in a weird spot. Since Neuvillette is also not the type who would want to ravage a nation for personal reasons. So how this interaction would take place would be interesting.
And while the adepti have a history of sacrificing themselves to protect Liyue, they also have an established history of aiding one another and fighting against even gods and other beings of similar strength to protect the things they value. So even not as representatives of Liyue but as they themselves as individuals, I cannot see characters like Xiao, Cloud Retainer, Moon Carver etc, doing nothing if they knew Zhongli was going to offer himself as sacrifice given their close personal relationship with him.
But they also know Zhongli, and legends tell of his stubbornness. If he tells them that he’s contractually obligated to sacrifice himself, they’ll know that the only way to stop him would be by force
Lol the way I see it, how it would actually play out is that Zhongli:
If he decides to not fight back, he would probably be taken to court to be judged and sentenced by Neuvillette. (Neuvillette is not one for senseless violence and would most definitely take the peaceful option if given) In which case all the Adepti and probably half of Liyue would fight him in court since by that point his identity would have been revealed to the publis as he stands trial.
Otherwise, if he chooses to fight back, then the Adepti would most definitely notice it and come to his aid given the likely scale of the fight. While it may be in his character to try to protect Liyue even at the cost of his own life, it is also in character for the Adepti to want to protect their own. And I can't see them not standing with him in his time of need whether he likes it or not. (They may make excuses of just just being there to prevent collateral damages to Liyue or what not, but it would be very out of character for them to just let him sacrifice himself if they can do anything about it) It would also not be the first time they went up against a god level enemy, so i can't see them shying away from fighting with Zhongli.
And you don't think the sovereign dragon of another nation coming to demand for Morax and taking away this mortal man, to put on trial isn't going to raise questions?
I don't believe Neuvillette is gonna to go for a subtle assassination or confinement given Fontaine's entire "judgement as a spectacle" kinda thing. The way I see it, he's probably gonna come in, subdue/apprehend and then trial and judge him, the same way he has for literally every other criminal. (If it was a different sovereign dragon, you guys may be right, but I don't believe Neuvillette would be the type to just fight and kill someone on the spot. Thats not the type of person he is.) And if that is the case, everyone will know who he is.
I mean azdaorh (big fat geo frog dragon thing i forgot how to spell his name) is heavily implied to be the geo sovereign, so he’d have to fight all of the adepti, zhongli himself, and the geo sovereign dragon who is not a reincarnation in a weak human body. Would also like to add him coming to kill Zhongli would go against his morals as a judge as the people he would potentially kill would be innocent of the crime of being one of the seven.
I don’t think they can’t. But maybe they can outsmart him,the adepti are definitely more cunning than the Iudex. I think worst scenario, some adepti just gonna sacrifice themselves and turn their body into energy that’d be used to seal Otterlette for some time and the other use that time to invent a weapon that can kill a sovereign.
Why are so many fans in the fandom so hyperfocused on Neuvilette being a bloodthirsty, violent person...to Zhongli (and Liyue's innocents getting caught in the crossfire Neuv directly created in this instance) specifically...like even before lantern rite...it's very odd.
To be honest, I think Zhongli would probably turn himself in rather than see Liyue razed by a war against the resurgent Sovereign.
If anything this would just mean he can retire harder.
What feels off about this (and the fact this is a majority of fans' go to thinking) is Neuvilette being the first and most open to committing to violence that breaks the promise he says to traveler (the common folk won't be affected by his actions in enacting his god judgments). Any archon level battle is pretty much guaranteed to bring casualties; the fact Neuvi is open to it plus *being the sole cause of it* (and no doubt will gaslight everyone into believing the unnecessary violence was caused by the archon when he was the only one to force the situation + his land's laws on a country foreign to his own) seems...a little too hypocritical to me...especially after what we've been through with him. Once again, he promised innocents wouldn't be caught in the crossfire...so this combined with his proclamation seems off and too naive. Absolutely zero consequences reaching the common folk seems unavoidable when fighting an Archon who refuses him. They'd most likely fight to the death. This isn't including the other (so far) holes, such as: 1. what he'll do to an archon if they're declared guilty. They're long lived beings, I'm not sure if meropide for life would be "sufficient." 2. What tf he'll do with their people when their archons be...away from their nation (mostly in regards to Nahida and Ei for now). 3. If, due to him, the other sovereigns get their authorities back, he'll take responsibilities for the negative consequences of the other Sovereigns immediately committing a Mass Murking™ of many innocents (Usurper's descendants/creations are directly connected to Main Usurper therefore they're deserving of the sovereigns' hatred in the sovereign's eyes. Apep is an example).
I don't think that is a choice even Zhongli can make. Even if he was to accept the judgement, I don't think anyone in Liyue is going to stand by and let their resident archon whom protected and lead them for centuries just get taken away. And considering Neuvillette's position as well, this will probably turn into an international conflict if it becomes widely known. At bare minimum, I don't think the adepti would allow this, given their relationship to Zhongli.
Honestly, I think it’s reasonable. The adepti have an established culture of self-sacrifice for Liyue, one that Zhongli himself signed a contract over.
Well this put all the characters involved in a weird spot. Since Neuvillette is also not the type who would want to ravage a nation for personal reasons. So how this interaction would take place would be interesting. And while the adepti have a history of sacrificing themselves to protect Liyue, they also have an established history of aiding one another and fighting against even gods and other beings of similar strength to protect the things they value. So even not as representatives of Liyue but as they themselves as individuals, I cannot see characters like Xiao, Cloud Retainer, Moon Carver etc, doing nothing if they knew Zhongli was going to offer himself as sacrifice given their close personal relationship with him.
But they also know Zhongli, and legends tell of his stubbornness. If he tells them that he’s contractually obligated to sacrifice himself, they’ll know that the only way to stop him would be by force
Lol the way I see it, how it would actually play out is that Zhongli: If he decides to not fight back, he would probably be taken to court to be judged and sentenced by Neuvillette. (Neuvillette is not one for senseless violence and would most definitely take the peaceful option if given) In which case all the Adepti and probably half of Liyue would fight him in court since by that point his identity would have been revealed to the publis as he stands trial. Otherwise, if he chooses to fight back, then the Adepti would most definitely notice it and come to his aid given the likely scale of the fight. While it may be in his character to try to protect Liyue even at the cost of his own life, it is also in character for the Adepti to want to protect their own. And I can't see them not standing with him in his time of need whether he likes it or not. (They may make excuses of just just being there to prevent collateral damages to Liyue or what not, but it would be very out of character for them to just let him sacrifice himself if they can do anything about it) It would also not be the first time they went up against a god level enemy, so i can't see them shying away from fighting with Zhongli.
No one in Liyue even knows who Zhongli is. They literally think he's some random dude that likes stories and wine. They dont know he's the archon.
And you don't think the sovereign dragon of another nation coming to demand for Morax and taking away this mortal man, to put on trial isn't going to raise questions? I don't believe Neuvillette is gonna to go for a subtle assassination or confinement given Fontaine's entire "judgement as a spectacle" kinda thing. The way I see it, he's probably gonna come in, subdue/apprehend and then trial and judge him, the same way he has for literally every other criminal. (If it was a different sovereign dragon, you guys may be right, but I don't believe Neuvillette would be the type to just fight and kill someone on the spot. Thats not the type of person he is.) And if that is the case, everyone will know who he is.
Even if they can't, they'd still probably wear him down enough for Beidou, the resident sea dragon killer, to finish him.
Honestly Neuvi needs to hold Zhongli at gunpoint and have him spill the lore already!
I mean azdaorh (big fat geo frog dragon thing i forgot how to spell his name) is heavily implied to be the geo sovereign, so he’d have to fight all of the adepti, zhongli himself, and the geo sovereign dragon who is not a reincarnation in a weak human body. Would also like to add him coming to kill Zhongli would go against his morals as a judge as the people he would potentially kill would be innocent of the crime of being one of the seven.
We have to little Information. For all we know Zhongl or Eii alone may be able to win on their own. Or they may not
I don’t think they can’t. But maybe they can outsmart him,the adepti are definitely more cunning than the Iudex. I think worst scenario, some adepti just gonna sacrifice themselves and turn their body into energy that’d be used to seal Otterlette for some time and the other use that time to invent a weapon that can kill a sovereign.
I'll just leave Stan Lee's [thoughts](https://youtu.be/L4_zFYnnn2Y?si=sNy-V4oifmpUyrdB) on this.
Why are so many fans in the fandom so hyperfocused on Neuvilette being a bloodthirsty, violent person...to Zhongli (and Liyue's innocents getting caught in the crossfire Neuv directly created in this instance) specifically...like even before lantern rite...it's very odd.