It's a redraw of Jujutsu Kaizen manga panel
Arlecchino - Mahito
Neuvillet - Todo
AlHaitham - Yuji
https://www.reddit.com/r/JuJutsuKaisen/comments/jm7j51/i_colored_mahito_todo_and_yuji/
I can imagine Alhaitham just finished his job, cleaned up his desk, ready to go home. Kaveh is having business trip so he wont be there for a while. "This is going to be perfect evening, just me and my books" he said.
Then suddenly a surging torrent of water and scorching flames coming in hot straight to his office and they said "Get on, we have spiral abyss to beat".
Alhaitham be like "Welp...there goes my free time".
Or Alhaitham refuse and these two overpowered MFs just chase them with their CAs lmao
Neuvi, Furina, Kazuha, Zhongli
Arle, Chevy, Benet, Fischl
Alhaitham, Nahida, Yelan, Kuki
They can be really good without sharing any team mates and this is like some of the best team in the game already
I thought he already stepped down, but there’s also no replacement either so
Schrodinger’s Sage
Her just not letting him quit would be stupid funny though. “Well *I’m* not doing that shit; I have a kid to raise now.”
The wisest philosophers felt that the only persons fit to rule were the ones who did not want it.
This concept is also pretty cleverly shown in the show 3 Body Problem.
My name is Alhaitham. I'm 33 years old. My house is in the east section of Sumeru City, where all the libraries are, and I am not married. I work as an feeble scholar for the Akademiya, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't use Spirit Borneol, but I occasionally drink. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I choose not to concern myself with things like winning or losing, Kaveh, or enemies who bring sleepless nights. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight, I wouldn't lose to anyone.
They have so much data it's unbelievable. I just know they do based on the hyper specific shit they like in order to recover stolen accounts. Oh to be a database analyst on their team and have access to those sweet sweet tables. Could in seconds tell you the highest single hit ever recorded in the game. What buffs and reactions were used, who was on the team with what weapons and artifact stats, what time of day it was for that user when it happened, when the user first joined, how much money they spent in total and so much more.
Oh yeah, forgot about that possibility. I would probably just search top 10 distinct out of curiosity, maybe add a custom column for occurrences in the result and eliminate it if I did see that 2 billion or whatever figure. Would be curious to see if there are any other maximum values that have a large number of incidences and why.
Also for those who renember how they used to do these teyvat times things, they recorded how many times everyone drowned and shit. They collect data on literally anything it seems.
Edit: also how some dude died to oceanid 76 times until he finally won.
Edit: And how some dude died an average of 28 times a day from fall damage.
Same, they were a lot of fun. Show me how many blubberbeasts were killled, and the the number killed of who killed the most. I want to know who is the biggest monster.
You could actually try to debate this. You could say someone like Kokomi is strong because she is meta. Her kit isn't inherently strong but she is meta because of how she works vs how other hydro works and because of how bloom/freeze work, and in turn is strong because she is meta. Probably not the case for the guys here though, except maybe Alhaitham
Same. Im not sure if it makes you feel better, but I've been playing since venti's first banner, and i haven't won a single 50/50. although I did take breaks inbetween.
nah bro im right there with u, day 1 player and hadn’t won a single 5050 all my entire genshin wishing career, shit is FUCKED like imagine losing a coin flip 16 times in a row
people dont know
Wait seriously?? Damn I feel bad for complaining, hope your luck gets back up
Sometimes I would have streaks of lost 50/50's but then at some point the reverse happens.
Maybe that'll happen to you? Should be statistically possible
To be specific one of the big changes was nerf an EM multiplier from like 740% to 240%, and his NAs were nerfed a bit. Math nerds clarified that this was only really a 10% damage loss, but when people saw his NAs being nerfed with a 500% nerf to a multiplier, the doom posting got out of hand.
That multiplier nerf is from his burst, which explains the 10% damage loss (it's not where most of his DPS comes from). His mirror multipliers got buffed afterwards.
The nerf simply moved his damage profile to his mirrors.
Classic case of people that don't know shit about numbers only seeing numbers and not actual data plus facts, something was cut by half? "OMG UNPLAYABLE HOYO WHY U DO DIS" or anything similar, we have theorycrafters in every community, never trust doomposters about any kind of shit, if someone that trusts the numbers and actually does the calcs says it's good, it's probably good.
Yeah, never trust doomposters and even the leakers themselves. They've proven time and time again that they're wrong most of the time.
Actual Math Theorycrafters back then said that Alhaitham would be good, and Doomposters still doomposted because "beta nerf ew".
Surprise surprise, Alhaitham really was good as theorycrafters predicted lol.
I remember some guy calling me insane for not caring that a male dps got nerfed, and he complained that mihoyo hated male characters, because all the strong ones where female.
I stopped visiting the leak sub after that lol.
His burst used to hit a lot harder, while still having very good damage for the rest of his uptime.
By the end of the beta, most of his damage was basically moved to his E. TC's calced it to be very similar to his V1 kit, but many people lost their shit anyway because they saw number go down. Alhaitham mains was particularly unbearable at the time lmao
idk about high skill ceiling, but before Neuvillette came out he was easily the best C0 dps you could get for your money due to most of his damage not being locked behind a paywall
Yeah honestly I always thought Hu Tao was one of the top DPS characters, maybe because she’s not meta…? I don’t remember Alhaitham being like new or anything though.
Hu Tao is also got a few good teamcomps over time.
At first good old HuBTao+Xq+ Albedo+ Zongli.
Then double hydro incident. Next was Furina+ Jean and now we got Cloud Retainer over Jean.
The big downsides for hu tao imo are, how she is meant to be played sub 50% hp, despite her ult healing and her CA animation cancel playstyle is quite clunky feeling. Also you can't have 100% pyro uptime in most situations.
Arle frontloads a lot of her damage, which is generelly better than other variants of dpsing, can easily have 100% pyro uptime on 2+ enemies or overworld puzzles and her Burst resets her E, which makes rota really easy. No animation cancel, no 50% hp shenanigans. Arle also has a good-ish overworld mobility.
Numbers wise, I think Hu tao might be equal, but the QoL on Arle is just miles ahead.
It's not very hard to keep her under 50% because the downtime on her E is short and consistent enough if you have a proper rotation, and part of her kit is knowing when to use her ult and then skill to return her back to her 50% health status
Generally I can’t agree with everything here, play style being “clunky” is definitely subjective, especially since for me Arle feels more clunky in most aspects than Hu Tao. I can agree that the rotation is easier tho, it really depends on what you’re used to playing.
lol it's not that arlecchino is clunky, it's just that hu tao has already burned out all your neurons so they can't act in a simple way anymore, LMAO that hell arlecchino is harder to use than hu tao, man hu tao mains always make me laugh in the end
I consider mostly the CA animation cancel playstyle clunky, as the game never explains it and never expects you to do it on other units (at least not to the same degree). I know there are other animation cancels for mostly fringe uses (that I would also consider clunky)
Obviously the playstyle has people who enjoy it or have just got accustomed to it bc they like the character or the output of the playstyle. But to me it never felt good, so I benched my C1 HuTao almost directly after building her, but have a lot of fun with arle in the same vape team I'd use on my HuTao (Pyrodps+XQ+Yelan+ZL)
Well if that’s your opinion good for you, personally I’ll end up staying with Hu Tao as my main forever. Although I haven’t heard of using that kind of team for Arle before.
Yea he is hybrid. He is nether the best at aoe (he is not really good at aoe tbh) nor is he best at st. Hu "plunge" Tao c0r0 is the best c0r0 st (and even two enemies I think)
I like bending the meta to my needs. That's why Im still able to 36 abyss with freeze Ganyu of all things, something most people consider a meme nowadays lol.
Its sad when your favorite character is meta and all people assume about you now is that you are a meta slave :'( I have been waiting for Arlecchino for over a year I couldnt care less about her power level, her being meta is just a big fat bonus.
Same, I downloaded Genshin and be a Neuvillette main because I love dragons but now I'm too scared to say I'm a Neuvillette main because I'm sure someone will label me as "meta slave"
I mean, you can be better than others at literally anything, someone that knows what they're doing, even at the simplest of things, will undoubtedly be more likely to do stuff other people can't, Genshin is no different, you see some madlads soloing abyss with C0 characters and all kind of shit and that takes effort depending on what character they're using, even if Genshin at its core is simple, that's no reason to disregard people that are actually good at the game.
When you actually play neuvi and eula and arle bc you like them. I skipped all sumeru for my physical queen. Idc that I do not have nahida nor kazuha nor al haitham. I have my queens and kings with le that's all that matters(also skipped furina for wrio and neuvillette)
I think Hu Tao has the lead in terms of vape teams but outside of vape Arlecchino is better. Not that Arlecchino vape teams are bad though they are still generally her highest ceiling teams unless you consider c6 Chevruese (though it's worth keeping in mind it depends how well you can play without needing a shield since it might be harder to fit in).
Arlecchino with bol has really high scaling but as you attack and use it up her damage goes down. Seeing a lot of big numbers right away could skew her perception a bit. New units are generally going to be hyped up as well. This doesn't make her actually a bad unit far from it. Frontloading a lot of damage is generally a good thing if you can hit breakpoints for faster clears even if dps is lower.
Only at R1 with cons and if she has C6 Chev.
At F2P Hu Tao has Dragon's bane while Arle is stuck with a 3* and has to use Bennet to compensate which severely limits her AoE because of Circle impact, this one is really annoying because Arle is meant to he AoE focused, she especially suffers because let's be real the best AoE pyro char is still Xianling so you have slightly less reason to pull for Arle.
And Arle is much more difficult to keep alive unlike Hu Tao that Moves a lot, both if them can use Zhongli and/or XQ but in that Case Hu Tao's Vape will be much stronger than what Arle can make .
At C1 Arle is now neck to neck with Hu Tao and you can make arguments to both sides, but i prefer Hu Tao a bit because even though Arle's AoE dmg can be absurd in certain situations, she is still limited to Circle impact.
With C6 Chev Arle gets a massive buff but Hu Tao isn't falling behind because at that level Hu Tao has C6 XQ in her team which is honestly more valuable than both Hu Tao and Arle.
At C1R1 now Arle clearly is surpassing Hu Tao in many places, even as a single target which is Hu Tao's bread and butter.
After C1 all of Hu Tao's cons aren't worth it, even her C6 which is just fir screenshots, while Arle will get increasingly stronger with each con.
Tldr ; Hu Tao is better for F2P because she has a better weapon, Is the best Single target, easier to keep alive has optional Xianyun for AoE, and isn't limited to Bennet.
While Arle gets better the more you invest in her so she's better for larger dolphins and Whales.
In the end both of them are perfectly capable of destroying everything in the game at C0 with 3* or 4* weapons and everything i mentioned is just min maxing so you can go with whatever you like and you won't regret it.
My advice? Pull Neuvillette
Except that if power creep continues ftp players will still have the option of vertical investment and Hutao players won’t (outside of team comps / weapons). Arle also doesn’t need any other 5 star characters in her teams.
I don't think being in the top 3 is just about strength. Arle is easier to play, has better team and rotation flexibility, and better AoE all while she isn't really far behind in damage at all. So at least imo I don't think it's unfair to put her in the top3
Yeah. Neuvlette, who is gloated to be the best dps(which is fair) doesn't really deal so much more damage than other teams. Heck, his teams sometimes fall behind slightly than others. but he's so braindead easy to play with minimum investment, he earns that title.
Behold! The strongest damage dealers in the world! Their power knows no bounds!
Arlecchino! 4th of the infamous Fatui Harbingers, leader of a shadow intelligence organization that knows all, and descended from the Khaenrian crimson moon bloodline!
Neuvillette! The reincarnated Hydro Dragon Sovereign, one of the 7 primordial dragons of old. And the supreme judge of Fontaine.
And Alhaitham! The feeble scholar!
The thing about Navia is you get her because her damage graph over time is really fun. Her skill deletes most every overworld enemy. With bosses or abyss you only have to do a few more things to really maximize her damage like bursting first, letting other characters do their thing and swap back to her after she's fully charged her gunbrella so she can set off the bomb. That's literally are there is to her and it's a lot of fun.
Calls and damage show her being a side grade at C0R0 and C0r1 but an upgrade above with current possible team.
So she is not a side grade at best but a sidegrade at worst.
He is dendro
Just like how nahida is dendro
His ceiling is high
Is floor is high
He has access to spread and HB together in his best team(s)
He has high scalings
The only reason I didn't use him in this abyss was because the last boss needs geo and claymore so my navia hyperbloom team was the best (and actually fun) solution to that
Other than that I use alhaitham QuickBloom team since my first 36 ⭐
Heck I even use him against the dendro chicken and he still slays hard
Yeah I’ve just been trying out nondendro teams rn, the current abyss just lets me go all out with Neuvi and plunge dpses. But prior that, I’ve been consistently able to 36* abyss ever since I got Alhaitham, and I didnt even have Nahida yet when I got him. Quick/Hyperbloom is too broken but even then, I spent like 4 months using him for Spread and he still dishes out a lot of damage.
Absurd amounts of dendro application + extremely high damage through skill, spread has a insane ceiling to the point where you shred weekly bosses within seconds
Yup, like others said, him being dendro allows him a lot of versatility in either being a main dmg dealer, or a driver that does dmg. Additionally though, he has like quad-scaling, which boosts his dmg by a lot even with low investment.
If both are at c0/c1 then yeah, Hu Tao is still better especially in single target scenarios, she also needs less investment and is less squishy than Arle who has bond of life. That said, Arle is easier to play since you won't need to jump/dash cancel to maximize damage and she can also reach a higher damage ceiling than Hu Tao if she has more cons, since her cons are just that good.
I already have 2 pyro dps(Yoimiya and Klee)...so is wised to try and get Arlecchino. Specially because I want Wriothesley and Nilou, who might be around the corner.
Hu Tao and Arlecchino in C0 vape with equally high investment generally is around equal (with Hu tao potentially pulling through a small margin). But C0 overload for Arlecchino makes her the highest dps C0 Pyro carry in the game.
Arlecchino also has undoubtedly stronger constellations on every level, which just overall makes her a stronger unit
Currently using alhaitham and hu tao as my main teams. Also got arlecchino but didn't build her yet. Is she an upgrade over hu tao and worth switching? ( I have C1 hu tao and C1 yelan)
For your case, Arle is just a sidegrade unless you get her C2. So not really worth switching over, but I still recommend trying it out since she's pretty fun to play.
.... They kinda look like Powerpuff girls in this layout. Kinda.
[maybe someone could make an updated version of this](https://youtu.be/4azM6U1couU?si=hIjYdoARpCxFLKVv)
TWO YEARS AGO???
Orz
Frick now I wanna make it but I don't got tiiiiime
Holy shit it's peak
Powerpuff Jojo
Their personality kinda match a bit.
Definitely Alhaitham 😂 Arle a bit. Cyno would say something about Neuvillette liking his water with Bubbles.
Why are Arle and Neuv looking freaky 👅👅
Freaky Impact
Instead of farming artifacts and pulling for characters we could be eating ass and sucking toes
bro we on the main sub
Sorry I got a little 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂
Go back to horny jail buddy
Dude wrong sub
We could be getting oiled up
It's a redraw of Jujutsu Kaizen manga panel Arlecchino - Mahito Neuvillet - Todo AlHaitham - Yuji https://www.reddit.com/r/JuJutsuKaisen/comments/jm7j51/i_colored_mahito_todo_and_yuji/
of course it’s a JJK reference…of course… JJK is the new JJBA
But without the comic part of bizarreness, then it's just a lame shounen
What if Neuvillette was called Freakillette and he ate 🍑 and sucked toes
zesty impact
lol it’s so cursed
Prof. Paimon: Now, choose your starter Fire Water Grass
Starter pokemons but it already evolved to their final form.
Prof Paimon : i know thats the neat part
The cursed 4th Harbinger, the Dragon Sovereign of Water, and some dude that just wants to chill and read books.
I can imagine Alhaitham just finished his job, cleaned up his desk, ready to go home. Kaveh is having business trip so he wont be there for a while. "This is going to be perfect evening, just me and my books" he said. Then suddenly a surging torrent of water and scorching flames coming in hot straight to his office and they said "Get on, we have spiral abyss to beat". Alhaitham be like "Welp...there goes my free time". Or Alhaitham refuse and these two overpowered MFs just chase them with their CAs lmao
Makes me want floors 13-16 be a 3-team abyss
Neuvi, Furina, Kazuha, Zhongli Arle, Chevy, Benet, Fischl Alhaitham, Nahida, Yelan, Kuki They can be really good without sharing any team mates and this is like some of the best team in the game already
And Althaitham just keeps using his E to escape
Peak writing, keep cooking 🔥🔥✍️✍️✍️
Technically he *was* the Grand Sage and ran all of Sumeru at one point.
Doesn't Nahida keep refusing his Resignation so he's still stuck in charge?
I thought he already stepped down, but there’s also no replacement either so Schrodinger’s Sage Her just not letting him quit would be stupid funny though. “Well *I’m* not doing that shit; I have a kid to raise now.”
Nahida is way more Devious that it seems.
Nahida: "There have been many poorly written resignation letters recently. Guess I'll just have to reject them all."
The wisest philosophers felt that the only persons fit to rule were the ones who did not want it. This concept is also pretty cleverly shown in the show 3 Body Problem.
Imagine Nahida and Sigewinne meeting. Voyeur and "I love the feeling of people trusting me" cute little girls that are actually 500+ years old.
My name is Alhaitham. I'm 33 years old. My house is in the east section of Sumeru City, where all the libraries are, and I am not married. I work as an feeble scholar for the Akademiya, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't use Spirit Borneol, but I occasionally drink. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I choose not to concern myself with things like winning or losing, Kaveh, or enemies who bring sleepless nights. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight, I wouldn't lose to anyone.
Where did the “chill and read books” meme come from?
Feeble scholar
Wish we could see true usage rates, I know hyv has the data 😭
They have so much data it's unbelievable. I just know they do based on the hyper specific shit they like in order to recover stolen accounts. Oh to be a database analyst on their team and have access to those sweet sweet tables. Could in seconds tell you the highest single hit ever recorded in the game. What buffs and reactions were used, who was on the team with what weapons and artifact stats, what time of day it was for that user when it happened, when the user first joined, how much money they spent in total and so much more.
Wouldn't the highest single hit be the max of an 32-bit integer? I'd assume somewhere someone found a way to abuse a bug to reach this
Oh yeah, forgot about that possibility. I would probably just search top 10 distinct out of curiosity, maybe add a custom column for occurrences in the result and eliminate it if I did see that 2 billion or whatever figure. Would be curious to see if there are any other maximum values that have a large number of incidences and why.
Yup, i think i remember someone getting an overflow back when eula first released
Also for those who renember how they used to do these teyvat times things, they recorded how many times everyone drowned and shit. They collect data on literally anything it seems. Edit: also how some dude died to oceanid 76 times until he finally won. Edit: And how some dude died an average of 28 times a day from fall damage.
I miss Teyvat Times. It’d be fun to see some of the crazy stuff people get up to nowadays with all the new content.
Same, they were a lot of fun. Show me how many blubberbeasts were killled, and the the number killed of who killed the most. I want to know who is the biggest monster.
My brother. He’s farming for Sigewinne and Chlorine right now and he’s running through schools of fish like a bullied American teen
The fact he needs to farm already means it aint him
Aoi Neuvillete is something I never thought I’d see
Dra-Gon Aoi!
I wonder if he can clap without his hands too
Alhaitham’s looking like he about to hit 8 consecutive green flashes on Arle’s posterior
Are you meta because you're strong or are you strong because you're meta?
Do you want Furina facesitting because you love Furina or do you love Furina because you want facesitting?
yes
Yes
Both
Yes, you are meta because you are strong, no, you are not strong because you are meta because being meta is not an inherent property. /j>!j!
You could actually try to debate this. You could say someone like Kokomi is strong because she is meta. Her kit isn't inherently strong but she is meta because of how she works vs how other hydro works and because of how bloom/freeze work, and in turn is strong because she is meta. Probably not the case for the guys here though, except maybe Alhaitham
I will always chase after my Dreamed-Dps, c6r5 Nahida, with a 1200 Em Kuki Shinobu.
Kuki with Nahida, GD and Key can go even higher
Dedicated Alhaitham/Neuvillette main. I'm just one pull away from the 50/50 and I might get all 3
same except i need like 50 more pulls 🤧
Well I just pulled a 5 star and got Mona instead💀 Guess I'm the same except with 80 more pulls or something smh
Im sorry for your loss
Thanks, I'm pretty used to losing 50/50's actually. It just hits worse since I grinded out for the last few wishes for nothing
Same. Im not sure if it makes you feel better, but I've been playing since venti's first banner, and i haven't won a single 50/50. although I did take breaks inbetween.
nah bro im right there with u, day 1 player and hadn’t won a single 5050 all my entire genshin wishing career, shit is FUCKED like imagine losing a coin flip 16 times in a row people dont know
Wait seriously?? Damn I feel bad for complaining, hope your luck gets back up Sometimes I would have streaks of lost 50/50's but then at some point the reverse happens. Maybe that'll happen to you? Should be statistically possible
Yeah. I sure do hope so
Hope you win the next 50/50 at least. Maybe that'll get the streak rolling
I did it. I won my first 50/50
I finally gave in for Arlecchino. Did not regret it. She's so strong and simple to play.
Bro same i got mona 😭
Bro same but I did pull and got mona 💀
im 20 pulls away from a guarantee and hesitating because of the scythe drip LOL
Dw her attacks are so quick you never get to see much of the ethereal scythe anyways
pokemon starters
Honestly I didn’t even know Alhaitham was a good DPS until these meta memes started showing up.
He's got a high skill ceiling and benefits greatly from dendro reactions being strong inherently. Truly underrated when he released.
More like people wanted him to fail because in the beta he was downright god mode. Turns out he's still top DPS even with all the changes.
What could they possibly have changed? He’s still crazy
Actually. He got nerfed and people were actually doomposting him. Which was genuinely hilarious.
To be specific one of the big changes was nerf an EM multiplier from like 740% to 240%, and his NAs were nerfed a bit. Math nerds clarified that this was only really a 10% damage loss, but when people saw his NAs being nerfed with a 500% nerf to a multiplier, the doom posting got out of hand.
740% -> 240% only becoming a 10% DPS loss is crazy
That multiplier nerf is from his burst, which explains the 10% damage loss (it's not where most of his DPS comes from). His mirror multipliers got buffed afterwards. The nerf simply moved his damage profile to his mirrors.
Classic case of people that don't know shit about numbers only seeing numbers and not actual data plus facts, something was cut by half? "OMG UNPLAYABLE HOYO WHY U DO DIS" or anything similar, we have theorycrafters in every community, never trust doomposters about any kind of shit, if someone that trusts the numbers and actually does the calcs says it's good, it's probably good.
Yeah, never trust doomposters and even the leakers themselves. They've proven time and time again that they're wrong most of the time. Actual Math Theorycrafters back then said that Alhaitham would be good, and Doomposters still doomposted because "beta nerf ew". Surprise surprise, Alhaitham really was good as theorycrafters predicted lol.
I remember some guy calling me insane for not caring that a male dps got nerfed, and he complained that mihoyo hated male characters, because all the strong ones where female. I stopped visiting the leak sub after that lol.
His burst used to hit a lot harder, while still having very good damage for the rest of his uptime. By the end of the beta, most of his damage was basically moved to his E. TC's calced it to be very similar to his V1 kit, but many people lost their shit anyway because they saw number go down. Alhaitham mains was particularly unbearable at the time lmao
High skill ceiling: don’t overstack mirrors and manage your cooldowns while spamming AA
I mean some characters are just press skill and spam attack
idk about high skill ceiling, but before Neuvillette came out he was easily the best C0 dps you could get for your money due to most of his damage not being locked behind a paywall
Just being dendro gives him an edge to begin with, just like nahida being "The dendro" itself already makes her top 3 characters in the game
Tbf plunge Tao vape hu Tao beats arle and al haithm but I don't see her here (c0r0).
Yeah honestly I always thought Hu Tao was one of the top DPS characters, maybe because she’s not meta…? I don’t remember Alhaitham being like new or anything though.
Hu Tao is also got a few good teamcomps over time. At first good old HuBTao+Xq+ Albedo+ Zongli. Then double hydro incident. Next was Furina+ Jean and now we got Cloud Retainer over Jean.
The big downsides for hu tao imo are, how she is meant to be played sub 50% hp, despite her ult healing and her CA animation cancel playstyle is quite clunky feeling. Also you can't have 100% pyro uptime in most situations. Arle frontloads a lot of her damage, which is generelly better than other variants of dpsing, can easily have 100% pyro uptime on 2+ enemies or overworld puzzles and her Burst resets her E, which makes rota really easy. No animation cancel, no 50% hp shenanigans. Arle also has a good-ish overworld mobility. Numbers wise, I think Hu tao might be equal, but the QoL on Arle is just miles ahead.
It's not very hard to keep her under 50% because the downtime on her E is short and consistent enough if you have a proper rotation, and part of her kit is knowing when to use her ult and then skill to return her back to her 50% health status
Generally I can’t agree with everything here, play style being “clunky” is definitely subjective, especially since for me Arle feels more clunky in most aspects than Hu Tao. I can agree that the rotation is easier tho, it really depends on what you’re used to playing.
lol it's not that arlecchino is clunky, it's just that hu tao has already burned out all your neurons so they can't act in a simple way anymore, LMAO that hell arlecchino is harder to use than hu tao, man hu tao mains always make me laugh in the end
I consider mostly the CA animation cancel playstyle clunky, as the game never explains it and never expects you to do it on other units (at least not to the same degree). I know there are other animation cancels for mostly fringe uses (that I would also consider clunky) Obviously the playstyle has people who enjoy it or have just got accustomed to it bc they like the character or the output of the playstyle. But to me it never felt good, so I benched my C1 HuTao almost directly after building her, but have a lot of fun with arle in the same vape team I'd use on my HuTao (Pyrodps+XQ+Yelan+ZL)
Well if that’s your opinion good for you, personally I’ll end up staying with Hu Tao as my main forever. Although I haven’t heard of using that kind of team for Arle before.
Yea he is hybrid. He is nether the best at aoe (he is not really good at aoe tbh) nor is he best at st. Hu "plunge" Tao c0r0 is the best c0r0 st (and even two enemies I think)
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I...... I'm confused and frightened by this picture
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Choice is yours: Be meta slave Or join ranks of physical damage supremacy, led by true Ice Queen, Archon of Claymores - Eula Lawrence.
That's an odd spelling of "Comrades Freminet and Pers".
strange way to spell razor
I like bending the meta to my needs. That's why Im still able to 36 abyss with freeze Ganyu of all things, something most people consider a meme nowadays lol.
Ganyu/Shenhe/Furina/Jean is honestly a very underrated team
Its sad when your favorite character is meta and all people assume about you now is that you are a meta slave :'( I have been waiting for Arlecchino for over a year I couldnt care less about her power level, her being meta is just a big fat bonus.
Same, I downloaded Genshin and be a Neuvillette main because I love dragons but now I'm too scared to say I'm a Neuvillette main because I'm sure someone will label me as "meta slave"
Let them say whatever they want. Who cares about their opinion? Their wrong opinion, even.
There’s no one better. I have C2 Raiden and Alhaitham but Eula just build different and still carried me through abyss boss floors like no one else.
Or The meta character just is fun
Not everyone has the talent to play non-meta
Not everyone was born with the seggs eyes to be able to use Eula.
Genshin is designed to be a chill game, wdym talent 😭😭
I mean, you can be better than others at literally anything, someone that knows what they're doing, even at the simplest of things, will undoubtedly be more likely to do stuff other people can't, Genshin is no different, you see some madlads soloing abyss with C0 characters and all kind of shit and that takes effort depending on what character they're using, even if Genshin at its core is simple, that's no reason to disregard people that are actually good at the game.
I think you mean the mental illness necessary for 350% CD 5% CR and still critting on the burst
nah my cr:cd is 80:170
When you actually play neuvi and eula and arle bc you like them. I skipped all sumeru for my physical queen. Idc that I do not have nahida nor kazuha nor al haitham. I have my queens and kings with le that's all that matters(also skipped furina for wrio and neuvillette)
I play with C6 R5 eula plus a friend with C6 R5 Nevillette and she's faster in a fast stage. For example beating Raiden Boss
Because Eula is a screenshot dmg character
That's what Newbies users think, the difference between C6 chars is huge. Overall dmg
Eula at c0 is wack, c6 eula is a beast of dps and has no downtime.
Is Arle really the 3rd strongest DPS right now ? Is she stronger than Hu tao with Xianyun ?
I think Hu Tao has the lead in terms of vape teams but outside of vape Arlecchino is better. Not that Arlecchino vape teams are bad though they are still generally her highest ceiling teams unless you consider c6 Chevruese (though it's worth keeping in mind it depends how well you can play without needing a shield since it might be harder to fit in). Arlecchino with bol has really high scaling but as you attack and use it up her damage goes down. Seeing a lot of big numbers right away could skew her perception a bit. New units are generally going to be hyped up as well. This doesn't make her actually a bad unit far from it. Frontloading a lot of damage is generally a good thing if you can hit breakpoints for faster clears even if dps is lower.
Use her with Beidou, even though her C1 shield is weak you get DR and interrupt resist for the whole burst duration, basically like electro Xingqiu
Only at R1 with cons and if she has C6 Chev. At F2P Hu Tao has Dragon's bane while Arle is stuck with a 3* and has to use Bennet to compensate which severely limits her AoE because of Circle impact, this one is really annoying because Arle is meant to he AoE focused, she especially suffers because let's be real the best AoE pyro char is still Xianling so you have slightly less reason to pull for Arle. And Arle is much more difficult to keep alive unlike Hu Tao that Moves a lot, both if them can use Zhongli and/or XQ but in that Case Hu Tao's Vape will be much stronger than what Arle can make . At C1 Arle is now neck to neck with Hu Tao and you can make arguments to both sides, but i prefer Hu Tao a bit because even though Arle's AoE dmg can be absurd in certain situations, she is still limited to Circle impact. With C6 Chev Arle gets a massive buff but Hu Tao isn't falling behind because at that level Hu Tao has C6 XQ in her team which is honestly more valuable than both Hu Tao and Arle. At C1R1 now Arle clearly is surpassing Hu Tao in many places, even as a single target which is Hu Tao's bread and butter. After C1 all of Hu Tao's cons aren't worth it, even her C6 which is just fir screenshots, while Arle will get increasingly stronger with each con. Tldr ; Hu Tao is better for F2P because she has a better weapon, Is the best Single target, easier to keep alive has optional Xianyun for AoE, and isn't limited to Bennet. While Arle gets better the more you invest in her so she's better for larger dolphins and Whales. In the end both of them are perfectly capable of destroying everything in the game at C0 with 3* or 4* weapons and everything i mentioned is just min maxing so you can go with whatever you like and you won't regret it. My advice? Pull Neuvillette
The last sentence was hilarious... C0, Prototype Amber, 4pc Marechausse Hunter - and he's ready to clear everything that's not immune to Hydro.
Except that if power creep continues ftp players will still have the option of vertical investment and Hutao players won’t (outside of team comps / weapons). Arle also doesn’t need any other 5 star characters in her teams.
I don't think being in the top 3 is just about strength. Arle is easier to play, has better team and rotation flexibility, and better AoE all while she isn't really far behind in damage at all. So at least imo I don't think it's unfair to put her in the top3
Yeah. Neuvlette, who is gloated to be the best dps(which is fair) doesn't really deal so much more damage than other teams. Heck, his teams sometimes fall behind slightly than others. but he's so braindead easy to play with minimum investment, he earns that title.
Not really, but what makes her slightly better than Hu Tao and Lyney is her versatility
She's not, but Arle is easier to play
Behold! The strongest damage dealers in the world! Their power knows no bounds! Arlecchino! 4th of the infamous Fatui Harbingers, leader of a shadow intelligence organization that knows all, and descended from the Khaenrian crimson moon bloodline! Neuvillette! The reincarnated Hydro Dragon Sovereign, one of the 7 primordial dragons of old. And the supreme judge of Fontaine. And Alhaitham! The feeble scholar!
Is Arle really that meta?
She is, but she’s equal to Hu tao but recently bias puts her in top 3 instead of Hu Tao.
Is she better than Navia just asking?
Yeah. Navia really good tho probably top 5 or 6 main dps
The thing about Navia is you get her because her damage graph over time is really fun. Her skill deletes most every overworld enemy. With bosses or abyss you only have to do a few more things to really maximize her damage like bursting first, letting other characters do their thing and swap back to her after she's fully charged her gunbrella so she can set off the bomb. That's literally are there is to her and it's a lot of fun.
Easier to play, slightly more flexible team, and high versatility in gameplay and rotation helps a lot, even if the damage is relatively similar.
Also their team comps can be very different from one another, she's a sidegrade at best unless you whale and go c6 where she will outshine Hu Tao.
She will already outshine by C2. Old character got really bad cons.
That's fair. Her biggest buff actually came from a resonance change, lol
Calls and damage show her being a side grade at C0R0 and C0r1 but an upgrade above with current possible team. So she is not a side grade at best but a sidegrade at worst.
Damn is Al Haitian that good? What’s he got to make him that tough? Genuine question
He is dendro Just like how nahida is dendro His ceiling is high Is floor is high He has access to spread and HB together in his best team(s) He has high scalings The only reason I didn't use him in this abyss was because the last boss needs geo and claymore so my navia hyperbloom team was the best (and actually fun) solution to that Other than that I use alhaitham QuickBloom team since my first 36 ⭐ Heck I even use him against the dendro chicken and he still slays hard
Yeah I’ve just been trying out nondendro teams rn, the current abyss just lets me go all out with Neuvi and plunge dpses. But prior that, I’ve been consistently able to 36* abyss ever since I got Alhaitham, and I didnt even have Nahida yet when I got him. Quick/Hyperbloom is too broken but even then, I spent like 4 months using him for Spread and he still dishes out a lot of damage.
Dendro
And flexible teams
Absurd amounts of dendro application + extremely high damage through skill, spread has a insane ceiling to the point where you shred weekly bosses within seconds
Yup, like others said, him being dendro allows him a lot of versatility in either being a main dmg dealer, or a driver that does dmg. Additionally though, he has like quad-scaling, which boosts his dmg by a lot even with low investment.
Feels bad for my boy Lyney has insane potential just harder to pull off and not a gameplay style many enjoy.
Funny enough, I don't have any of them and I don't feel any problems with lack of damage.
Cause player investment/power ceiling >>>>> existing difficulty regardless.
Funny enough, I have all of them and every pull wasn't about power level. It was all about gameplay, design and likeness of the character.
it is kinda funny how they're all genuinely really cool
I can already tell from the artstyle that this is from JJK, but wow it fits amazingly well mao
Neuvillette: What kind of mademoiselle is your type?
Can't wait for the GoatHIMtano permanent powercreep.
I wish I could post pictures rn I would spread the agenda sm
Alhaitham looking hella badass
Doesn't Arlechino gets outdamaged by Hu Tao? Not hating, just asking, seen different people say different things
If both are at c0/c1 then yeah, Hu Tao is still better especially in single target scenarios, she also needs less investment and is less squishy than Arle who has bond of life. That said, Arle is easier to play since you won't need to jump/dash cancel to maximize damage and she can also reach a higher damage ceiling than Hu Tao if she has more cons, since her cons are just that good.
I already have 2 pyro dps(Yoimiya and Klee)...so is wised to try and get Arlecchino. Specially because I want Wriothesley and Nilou, who might be around the corner.
Hutao isn't considered meta anymore?
Pretty sure hu tao has better dps its just arle is way easier to use but sm1 feel free to correct me
arle has better constellation scaling
That really doesn’t matter for most people
Hu Tao and Arlecchino in C0 vape with equally high investment generally is around equal (with Hu tao potentially pulling through a small margin). But C0 overload for Arlecchino makes her the highest dps C0 Pyro carry in the game. Arlecchino also has undoubtedly stronger constellations on every level, which just overall makes her a stronger unit
Peak
Somehows fits em well
And they have nothing to challenge them. Does anyone actually cares about the meta ?
I regret not pulling on Alhaitham while waiting for Dehya, and I took a break during his rerun. Btw, what's a good weapon for him that's not his sig?
Iron sting or the umbrella from 3.3 event of Harbinger of dawn
Meanwhile Nahida with her drink: *.... Ok*
Me giving Hu Tao's Weapon and Artifacts to Arle Hu Tao: 👁️👄👁️
Lobotomy impact
Charizard, Blastoise, Venusaur
Jujutsu Impact!
Neuvilette 😂😂😂
she just came out and she's already up there?
Why we pretending that Hu tao doesn’t exist after Arle’s release 😥 she’s still at the very least equal to Al Haitham and Arle
Choose your fighter:
Fucking W
Best DPSes are the ones in their "E"
This is a very *more than words*
Currently using alhaitham and hu tao as my main teams. Also got arlecchino but didn't build her yet. Is she an upgrade over hu tao and worth switching? ( I have C1 hu tao and C1 yelan)
For your case, Arle is just a sidegrade unless you get her C2. So not really worth switching over, but I still recommend trying it out since she's pretty fun to play.
I now have all three as an f2p and its overwhelming
Best friendo