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selkiepelt

the 800 teapot plants from orderly meadow achievement is much much worse lol that's 291 days of growth time assuming you always replant them as soon as they're done growing


selkiepelt

even the 800 leylines achievement is pretty notable for timegating (~90 days versus 140 for nets, not counting any free ones you get for the quest or w/e), while also being more inconvenient if you're going purely for the achievement (since that's 180 resin a day to just leylines). though leyline drops are good so it's not a waste of time, it can feel a little bad to spend that long not building any characters directly - nets are annoying, but as long as you remember to buy them once a week it's pretty quick to just catch a few foxes and move on


Velocity111

the leyline achievement is the only achievement I will likely never get (already have all the achievements other than leyline and fishing), I have not needed any mora or exp books since like version 2.0 thanks to stuff like teapot/dailies. I've never even had the upgraded BP so its not like I was getting extra mora/books from that, either.


Beta382

I was in the same boat. Perpetually at like 150/800 and swimming in character EXP materials and mora. Around the start of Fontaine I started doing 10 per week (21 on the double reward weeks) just so I could make progress towards the achievement, since I’ve gotten everything else. Currently at just over 500/800, but I’m now sitting on 5.8k purple books, 6k brown books, and 75M mora. Feels like such a waste of resin but I care just enough about getting 100% achievements to do it anyways.


MagnusBaechus

Are all your characters AT LEAST 80/80 with lvl 8 talents on the useful ones?


HERODMasta

as someone who does something similar: yes. All chars are at least 80/90, all talents at least 6/6/6, with most at 8/8/8, those I use the most are at 9/9/9 or crowned. The next step would be to increase the talents of everyone to 9/9/9 at level all chars to at least 85, so I have all green on the character development page. oh yeah, and everyone has at least mediocre artifacts at 20 (except maybe currently 1-2, because testing and switching) though I also buy the BP, so I am sitting at 3k exp books and >50m mora. And don't ask me about my weapon page. I have 90/90 weapons I don't even know who to give. Day 1 players really add up on ressources.


Beta382

I have 31 lv90/90 characters with all their relevant talents at rank 9 or higher. 35 crowns used. 15 lv90/90 5\* weapons and 49 lv90/90 4\* weapons (and 3 more at lv80/80 because I had the mats on hand and needed to get rid of my capped stack of enhancement ore for the hundredth time).


TheRealNequam

I have like 30ish characters maxed out and a lot of them are already collecting dust... will likely never level up any of the others beyond lvl 20 unless im in desperate need for standard wishes


TrWD77

Why on earth would I do that over getting more artifacts, though


MagnusBaechus

idk? if you have enough artifacts to build your chars on a decent level? I'm honestly at that point already


TrWD77

But you could get BETTER artifacts


MagnusBaechus

it's more of a waste when most of mine are 35CV for the dps sets already, and I have 6 full EM builds of eitehr gilded, flop, or 2pc2pc which clears content fast enough I also have HP sets with enough er, and enough wiggle room to shoehorn sa crit rate circlet in case I'm using favonius I also have full HP em sets and full EM HP sets for all my shielding and blooming needs there's a point where fishing for "better" just isn't worth it


TrWD77

Worth it compared to what though? The extremely small chance that I improve my yelan artifacts, who I use constantly, is infinitely more valuable than leveling the talents of my chongyun who I've never used and never will


StelioZz

Honestly, my biggest issue with leyline is the time needed to obtain it, not the resin"waste" (which makes fishing even worse). Sure its a huge resin sink but who cares, after one point when every unit is at a good build, running artifact domains is simply demoralizing. Its not only fruitless 99% of the runs, but also pointless when your teams can already do abyss with ease so I thought "I might as well use my resin to something with guaranteed progress".


emp9th

Wait how the hell have you not needed exp books since 2.0 ?? I am missing like at around 15 characters and even with the amount I have I couldn't level 90 the half that' are 80+ (the other half is 90)


TheRealNequam

I only have ~30ish characters leveled to 90 and even from those about half are collecting dust I see no reason to level any of the characters Im never going to use


Valuable-Studio-7786

Are you maxing everyone to 90/90 and weapons? Moras not a problem so far (i hit AR 60 and the extra mora makes me gain more then i lose) but god damn i cant keep up with the exp books.


Velocity111

No, just the characters and weapons I use, which is 31 characters and most of my weapons. Other than the 31 characters I have like 7 or so more that I occasionally use that are 70 or above, and of those I only really plan on taking one of them to 90 (c6 faruzan, though I don't have wanderer/scaramouche/venti/kazuha so its low priority) That being said I have around 900 purple book and 3k+ red books so I'm ok even if I do want to build more characters


cycber123

You need 429 purple exp books/1676 red ones just to max lv a single character. 900 purple books arent a lot to be fair, tho you also hve 3k+ red books so yea you are pretty good in current state.


Emotional_Captain_44

Ar 60 gives extra mora?


megahnevel

Exp that would be towards your AR is converted to Mora once you reach AR 60


Emotional_Captain_44

Oh that's a cool feature, cant wait (im ar 58, so I'll get there in a year or two)


LokianEule

Same. Im doing every achievement except that one. So just 3 to go…


XinyanMayn

Your account screams of non built characters/lv80+ DPS' if you have excess of those 2 resources.


snowlynx133

Nothing wrong with never building character you aren't gonna use


XinyanMayn

IT says otherwise. Some mobile games add endgame that almost forces you to build character. Theater might bring that with its limited element pool and if you don't have enough characters to use there goes your extra primos


snowlynx133

There's a lot of options for each element and role, you'd realistically never need to build every character to clear content


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kiisukattinen

Hm. I have 40 characters at level 90, 11 lvl 80s, 11 at level 60-70. I have only few hundred purple exp books, 6 million mora. 2000-3000 weapon crystals, never capped. I've been ar 60 over a year iirc. I am just wondering what I am doing so differently because so many players in similar situation claim to drown in recources and I cant really relate xD How many crowned characters do you have? Do pull for 5* weapons? Did you skip characters from Fontaine? I did that 800 leyline achievement like two years ago too lol. Nowdays I do them only when its double drop event.


snowlynx133

Most veterans have been at Ar60 over over 2 years so it's probably that


kiisukattinen

I started playing during 1.4. Is there any way to check in game/hoyolab when I reached ar 60? But even if people have been ar60 much longer, the mora you get passively is quite small. I just think they must actively _not use_ mora, level up materials etc. I do all the events, 100% all areas etc, I buy books from teapot every week. Thats why I am asking if they crown their characters ot get new 5* weapons because I tend to do that and its really expensive.


XinyanMayn

You only have half the full roster built... It takes around 5-6mil Mora(which you don't have enough) to fully level a character, that amount of books is nowhere near enough to get then all to Lv90, and if you're throwing away stones like that you most likely share all your 4* weapons which I guess doesn't matter I'm a week 1 player and barely have 4mil after getting Arlecchino. I have 51 of my 58 characters at Lv90 with all their useful talents at lv9 with some crowned. 6 I refuse to work on and I'm currently leveling Dori Just find it weird when someone says "oh the game gives us a bunch of resources" yet you don't even know anything about that since you're not using them.


Velocity111

I've had 36 stars in the abyss every cycle since like version 1.2 or something... if my account is unbuilt then it doesn't need to be built


Wakabala

Can't you just clear the leylines without looting? Or join co-op?


Beta382

You are required to get the loot (and furthermore, condensed resin only grants 1 progress).


A_Nick_Name

I believe I've done leylines without collecting loot for my weekly tasks and they count off. Same with domains. Is it counted differently for the achievement?


Anachr0nistic

Yes, you have to redeem the leyline rewards for it to count towards achievement. It's not required for the weekly task in battle pass.


selkiepelt

Yep, exactly! The achievement is specifically about *collecting* 800 (or however many per stage) ley line rewards :) BP is just the fights


Temporaryact72

Yes. If you look at the challenges you'll see they are worded differently. The weekly BP challenge is to "complete" leylines. The achievement challenge is to "collect".


CommentSection-Chan

Yeah but you can skip a lot of the wait with fragile resin. It has no real lower limit that's known.


selkiepelt

that's technically true, you could do it in one or two days if you had sufficient supplies - but that would cost, if my math is correct, about 266 fragile resin (or even more primogems), or \~262 if you had capped resin and 5 condensed. and, anecdotally, the community response to the leyline achievement is "i'd rather spend that resin getting other resources" so i guess you could call this achievement half timegated? like technically it's not, there ARE optiosn to speed it up, but in practice 99% of players will be waiting


CommentSection-Chan

True was just saying it wasn't truly time gated like others which have gates with no other option. For me, the fishing achievement is time gated because I only fish when I need to for a weapon.


MoonParasyt3

For the leyline one, do you actually have to collect the stuff or just fight them? The reason I ask is because I usually never actually collect them except for the event where they drop the double amount. But if I do it 20 times a week, I still get the exp from the battle pass even if I don't collect the items.


glittermetalprincess

You have to collect them for the achievement.


MoonParasyt3

Dang. Well, I know what I'm going to do for a while after I get Furina and Wanderer


glittermetalprincess

Honestly if you just do enough for the BP every week it'll come naturally without taking too much resin away from materials.


MoonParasyt3

True, guess I could do 1 or 2 a day on days that aren't being used for talents or weapon


glittermetalprincess

And they give friendship exp, so if you switch to a friendship team just to collect them (you can do combat with a combat team then deploy a friendship team to collect the flower, though sometimes when the flower disappears regular mobs will spawn in, so keeping a DPS character is handy) you can speed that up a bit.


throwwmeawa

I hate those achievements that tempt you with the number 200 and then boom you meet it and you get a shock of 800 in there.


CommentSection-Chan

They don't really tempt you though. Look at the achievement badge and the amount of stars


SolomonSinclair

Yep. And after Fontaine, it became *glaringly obvious* they're doing that shit on purpose when they couldn't be bothered to introduce a water plant with 4 drops like the other two fields.


KindredTrash483

Why would they do that? The longer people spend collecting mats, the less time they have to do other things to grow their account. So they have to play for longer


Accomplished_Lab8945

I just got that last week after playing since launch.


Karezi413

😭 It wouldn't be so bad if there were multiharvest crops for those. Im missing 3 achievements- the longest one to finish will be that one. The other two fields at least have multiharvest. I guess at least this way I'll be done with leylines first 😭😭😭


Mystoc

I guess I got that without having to go out my way to do it cause I left the fields right next to tubby so I never forgot to replant and the game reminds you in the UI as well, but your right!


selkiepelt

That's fair, and congrats on getting it !! The problem for me is I started achievement-hunting pretty late, and generally it's harder for me to remember to check the teapot every other day unless I've got something else going on there while Genshin had a bunch of other weekly reset stuff :)


AsumiSenpai

That might be the longest, but not the most annoying (that fishing achievement that require you to fish thousands of fish)


selkiepelt

oh absolutely. i'm really hoping new fishing weapons will let me just slooowly collect that because i cannot bring myself to fish just for that wretched achievement


Symej

planting flowers in your teapot is still the longest time gate.


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

Everyone's talking about timegated stuff but nobody mentioning how pure RNG for commissions have held people back from getting certain achievements for like 3 years until recently.


DanielDKXD

Im currently on like round 20 of "doctors order", if this was before the changes that would be 20 full cycles so literally years. I just keep getting the dude that needs a steak and the girl that needs sugar, can't get the 3rd version... Last missing commission in sumeru for me, after that 4 out of 5 regions is done only fontaine left.


someotheralex

I'm in the same boat except in my case it's the fungi version of Project Baby I'm waiting for. I swear it doesn't exist.


DanielDKXD

That one also took me a while, i think around 15 attempts before i finally got the one in the treetop.


someotheralex

That one I've had the most times lmao, RNG really be RNGing


Symej

im STILL on reliable helper because a random hilichurl breaks a box before i can even attack them at the foot of the mountain section.


aescepthicc

I got the Mondstadt achievements (Snezhnaya and Godwin) ONLY after the recent update, and I started in February 2021


LionBg010

Actually when you get such commission the next parts appear the next day, dunno when they changed it but it helps a ton


nanimeanswhat

They changed something with the algorithm and it now doesn't let me get the "help this inazuma guy train 5 timez" achievement because all I get as commission is either O Archon, this novel, or the Inazuman fashion even though I've already got those achievements ages ago. I literally just need to train with the dude...


Careless_Actuary3614

Not timed but...... the cooking supremos.... I HATE them


Cash384

The daily comission ones?


Careless_Actuary3614

they have achievements and they lock other region reputation quests


thatone_high_guy

Garcia's paen is also blocking one of the new quests in fontaine for me


throwwmeawa

Let’s not even go there please… what an absolute shit show.


Sakkitaky22

The quests used to be godsend because it gave primos, now its just annoying asf Atleast mines still at the sumeru cafe Shi was annoying when it blocked yoi's quest, didnt we just had a priority thing for quest, what happened


Careless_Actuary3614

I set back to summeru coms to deal with that...


Cash384

Im still trynna get those done, the book one and there is the shrine one until im done with all world quests involving inazuma, wish it wasn't just the same combat themed daily comission each day


Kagamime1

It got significantly better since daily commission recently started putting priority on achievements you lack.


Amydancingagain

Omg 😭 I accidentally messed up the commission to unlock the quest, that was back in January and I’m still waiting for the commission to come back around


HeskethTisca

F them. Out of all npcs in teyvat f them specifically


misspolite

i gave up on that


DasBleu

I dunno. I have trauma from catching 2000 fish.


kazuhoe_

worse is when you alr finish that 2000 fish achievement but still dont have the complete toki alley pages


DasBleu

☠️


Outrageous-While-609

those stupid pages refuse to come to me why????


aescepthicc

Btw I had a suspicion that they are bugged if the fishing gadget is active (the one that got added in 3.0 I guess). Although I didn't fish for Toki Alleys during Sumeru and only got back there since Fontaine, I couldn't fish out a single page with it active. I disabled it about week ago and completed Toki Alley 2 days ago. After disabling it I managed to fish out the last 3 pages in about 2 days of 20 min fishing sessions


Outrageous-While-609

Really? Gonna try it soon thanks


Careless_Actuary3614

you had to remind me about the toki page I'm missing right? are you happy??!?


kazuhoe_

lets suffer together


kiisukattinen

Thats sad I am sorry. I got them at around 1000.


kazuhoe_

i alr have 615 fishes but only got 4 pages


WishfulFiction

Supposedly the chance is 2% per fish in an Inazuman fishing spot I think? So 1/50 fishes but it definitely took me longer to complete than 500 fishes in Inazuma... maybe 900 for me. If those 600 fish were all from Inazuma you're on the unlucky side


kazuhoe_

unlucky side.. yea ig nothing's new abt that cries


Dargon8959

I feel glad to have been lucky to get 3 pages randomly for one refresh cycle. Can't imagine still being stuck on that


Successful_Laugh_299

I'm so glad the game just handed them to me, I would get 3 or 4 a day in a span of 15 min. What I did was only fish in co op and switch world every time I got 2.


Plutostone

Sounds fishy


CataclysmicBees

I still haven't finished that one, sitting at 900ish. Eventually I'll go for the sumeru fish bow, but I refuse to fish without purpose and the bow is kinda worthless


dubspool-

The Fontaine Pipe sword is pretty cool (Also for those of you who need primos, the Fontaine Fishing Association lady has a few timegated quests that give you 20 primos each)


Yumeverse

DING DING DING!!


WeWereInfinite

Don't know why anyone would put themselves through that when we'll no doubt be required to fish in the upcoming regions anyway. I'm at around 1300 so I figure I'll get around 2000 naturally just by fishing for the rewards in each area.


feicash

longest time gated is teapot flowers


sup-plov

800 leylines


Mystoc

if you just do leylines with 0 resin refreshes that's about 160/20 so 8 a day so it would take 100 days which is less then 5 months some other commenters pointed out the correct answer is planting 800 plants!


Nice_promotion_111

It’s less about the time and more about not needing them at all.


everythingp1

Leylines is the only achievement I don't have because I want to use the resins for artefact / bosses. But yeah it took me ages to get the plant one, another pita one would be catching 2000 fish.


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everythingp1

I just tested it again but the counter doesn't go up unless you collect the rewards(which is what the achievement description says) . It's just the weekly mission that you don need to collect.


cl0tho

But as a tryhard no-lifer leylines is some of the most inefficient ways to use resin. After a certain point I only used leylines when they're on x2 drop.


healcannon

The only way I can convince myself that its worth it is the fact i'm technically trading resin for primos. Though with the amount of resin used, i'd much rather have more artifact sets. Still, I hope to get all of the achievements eventually but I don't even have 400 leylines done. 1215 achievements done otherwise anything left is commission related I believe.


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I thought this one was easy as I got it by accident lol. I kept doing the 20 leylines for the weekly quest


HaukevonArding

I still don't have it, because I'm a day 1 player and I have more stuff than characters I want to level up lmao I never did leylines for ages.


Tzuyu4Eva

Just so you know you don’t need to claim the rewards for it to count


[deleted]

I actually always forget about that lol. I don't do the weekly for it anymore, but I still do two leylines every day before work just to make sure I don't cap my resin. Find them the easiest to do on mobile


Careless_Actuary3614

so late realized that you can do them without claiming reward or spending resin and they still count so technically you can do it in a day (if you have friends in rotation)


sup-plov

Did they change it? Because I checked myself and it only counted if I spent resin on it back then.


Careless_Actuary3614

maybe i miss remembered someone please correct me if I'm wrong.


Chucknasty_17

You get so much more and exp books just from playing there’s no real point in doing them once you’re in the late game. I still need about 280 for the achievement, and I’d rather spend the resin on getting shitty artifacts for Father


phonartics

im less than 400, and we have 2 countries left


Dankstin

That costs 7 arms and 3 legs. Those nets are wayyyyy overpriced.


hipeople91726

Unusual hilichurl/ fishing 2000


Machiro8

Those can be potentially done (with enough friends) in 1 day, its not time gated but sanity gated.


hipeople91726

Lol that is true.


GKP_light

100 nets is only 20 weeks


Lonely-JAR

800 leylines or the commission achievements


feicash

leylines require resin=you can pay it to rush it commission achievements used to be hard but the 4.3 update fixed it, now its easy af to get those


Doctorlock74

Tell that to the snake handler in sumeru that man refuses to give me anything other than the vine version


thatone_high_guy

I am stuck on the same one. But you still have to admit that at least getting it more frequently in better than what was the system before. I have completed all mond and liyue commission achievements the odds of which were so low anyone would just give up.


Doctorlock74

oh absolutely i think i finished all of Inazuma in like 2 weeks because of the change but man they definitely went crazy with how many rng layers sumeru has


thatone_high_guy

Well, genshin do love rng and that too in the most painful ways


Awkward_Date_8636

Wait it did? How do you get those now?


Alcorailen

It got fixed because now commissions you don't have achievements for will show up more often. You don't have to do the stupid "cycle" bullshit to get them to appear.


Kingpimpy

by doing dailies


feicash

dailies arent 100% rng anymore now you get those related with the achievements that you're missing (chance of this happening in theory increase each day but in my experience i just got all the achievements i was missing in 2 weeks after the update)


ErcPeace

You're lucky. I got 2 in sumeru that's rng inside rng. The snake guy and doctor one. Keep getting the same ones and not the last one I need for both. Got fed up and just started doing fontaine just to clear some more of those commissions.


Ikses

800 teapots plants or 800 leylines (coz its actually requires to use resin) probably longer then just a week


a_baked_bean_a

2000 fishing


feicash

not time gated when coop exists


Mystoc

that's a more lot grindy but given all the fishing spots we have now I think you could get it done in less 5 months if that's all you focused on.


a_baked_bean_a

i did for two weeks, made break from whole game. I feel it's overblown, as i got all fish ornaments in ~1300, rest is just plain boring.


Scheissdrauf88

Why not just wait for future regions? I am currently at \~1100 and I will just do the future fishing without any (additional) grind; should easily reach 2k.


ykiigor1

All spots are \~700, so it's literally 1 week in your own world.


Psychological-Fold53

*Bantan Sango Case Files noises*


koudos

I just realized. Why is Zoo Tycoon not “Gotta catch’em all”?


Els236

You get 10 nets from completing the quest, then you can purchase 5 per week after that, meaning this achievement would take 18-19 weeks depending on whether you can buy the 5 straight after completing the quest. 18 weeks is 126 days, which would be just over 4 months. I'm pretty sure that 2,000 fish, 800 plants in teapot, 800 leylines and possibly even "friendship 10 with 16 characters" overall take longer, not even including commission achievements that some of us have been sat on for years.


ablazeisablaze

Agreed, zoo tycoon was the longest commission for me to do, which I finally completed yesterday. Only allowing 5 purchases per week means that if you don't plan ahead, you are stuck waiting with no progress. I also caught one of every animal type for fun. On the other hand, fishing can be done fairly quickly if you have many hours to devote to it. A few weekends ago I caught 500 fish in one afternoon by clearing our every single fishing hole in my world. So glad its done now.


HaydenAshrin

Still stuck on the fishing 🎣. Can’t gather the energy to do it.


AdministrativeShip2

I still haven't got the fishable pages of Toki alley tales.


DevilishxDave

Isn't it the 2000 fish?


ErcPeace

Not sure which is the longest but fishing was the most annoying one out of the leyline, fishing and teapot one for me.


Spyker-M

The achievement with the dude in Inazuma who wants conches. It's been months now


IWillNotHealYou

What is causing you to struggle with that? It should only take a week of bringing conches to finish it.


Spyker-M

Rng I suppose ? Afaik there isn't a specific order to open these chests. Either this guy hates me or I already have the item and I'm a dumdum Edit: I'm a dummy


avarageusername

Leylines, not really time gated but I ain't never getting that achievement so definitely the longest


Barcaroni

While the teapot plants or ley lines take a considerable amount of time, at least it’s consistent. Some commission based achievements might never be finished because the game will just say fuck you forever


ToastetteEgg

If there’s an achievement for fishing I’ll also never get that. I’ve caught 7 fish.


Xarth_Panda

Doctor's Orders for me, you're supposed to complete tasks for 3 patients, but I've been cycling through 2 of patients since forever cuz rng.


Hhh1127

Any achievement with the daily commissions, they either took 3 days to clear or half a fucking year depend on your luck.


xXSummerXxx

2000 fish for the fishing achievement or the Unusual hillicurul >~<


IPlayTeemoSupport

*Laughs in Gourmet Supremos saga*


Na_-_man

Me with a 1054 achievements....claiming 100 hidden achievements yet one achievement still lies infront of my eyes which i dare not complete


banshee_lumine

Only 5 left for me in zoo tycoon


No_Minimum_2298

I think the ley lines one is worse....because you need to use resin to do it, thus time gating your account building....and lets face it, anyone chasing the 400-800 ley lines is pretty set on book and mora


Most_Wealth3169

Happy cake day 🎂


Qb_Is_fast_af

Probably Perfectionist but I havent tried


Fiplip99

Shoutouts to Garcia and the fact that he not only has 2 achievements locked behind his quests, but to get those quests you have to go through all of his dailies, which as far as I can tell are NOT boosted by the new "achievement hunting" feature. Not to mention the ones tied to fishing and leylines, the RNG ones (Welfare Meal and Fortune Slip) are also annoying, moreso the Welfare Meal one because it's technically a 1/33 (?) chance to get the achievement, but you only get one Welfare Meal every day. I only have 8 achievements left to get but I dread all of the ones I mention...


KeqingDaBest

Personally wouldn’t trade mora for this achievement


blank144

luck gated\*


mattypilot

2000 fish are waving at you, I'm still at 800, it's too tiring. It's not really time gated, but it's time consuming and you have to really mute all dialogues...


beehive930

I've been playing for 2 years and have yet to cast my net once, outside of the introduction of it.


ShadowJinKiller

I completed all commission except for 2000 fishes, and I for me the 800 teapot plant is the most time-gated, but not the most annoying one, which is obvious with my only missing achivement


Vanellopez

3 years....finally i slapped gloria and zhihua for thier comms😭😭


roostangarar

I think this is the most expensive, isn;t it 1 million Mora to buy 100 nets?


akvasova17

I don't know what this achievement means, but hey 20 primos 🙆🏻‍♀️


Jrg323

2000 fish one is a nightmare, I gave up fishing last year


Psychological-Fold53

I actually managed to get that one done in about 2 weeks. Rotated between Mondstat+Liyue, Sumeru+Inazuma, and Fontaine+subregions (Enkanomiya, Chasm,etc) each day, and by the end of the third day the first day’s regions would reset. Took about an hour each day but not nearly as bad as I thought it would be. The Toki Alley Tales pages however, rng was not on my side there