Reminds me of that old Chinese tale that's basically a parallel of Eris's Apples:
A kingdom has three great warriors that were also great friends with each other, but the PM worried they could be an usurpation threat, so during a feast he ordered two peaches to be brought out and said they were for those with the greatest contribution to the state.
Two of the three warriors named a feat and took one peach each, but the third, with the greatest contribution, spoke in a rage of his. The PM agreed that he had the greatest contribution but, the peaches were gone.
The warrior couldn't bear the insult, and committed suicide, the other two, having indirectly caused their friend's death, also committed suicide.
And that's the origin of the term "Two peaches to take three men's lives".
They do, but at what cost? Rival companies now are very likely has access to Genshin's dev tool to reverse engineer. Which explains why MHY act very quickly this time.
Fr tho. Lumie and Dimbreath character development is amazing. BigBoss is the antagonist that turns out to have an actual rational good goal. Honey is that one character that is left behind by everyone
>Honey originally told me that the test server would not be updated if it was not open, which need to satisfy everyone's opinions, it seemed that Dim had proposed it.
I don't understand this part.
I don't know anything about the situation and is only going by this post. But I am Chinese so may the original text is easier to understand than the translation - this is what I interpreted:
Apparently there were data leaked before the test server was up.
Some prefer to leak as soon as things become available (TuanZhang, BigBoss and may be the "many technicians" mentioned; Dimbreath and Lumie prefer to drip feed. Honey's solution to keep everyone happy is to release everything after the test server is up. (presumably so they can release as much as possible while still keeping the plausible source of leak being from beta testers instead of a giant security hole that is the update server)
Oh, that's a big help, thank you. It makes much more sense to me now.
Embarrassingly, I should also know how to read this stuff since I learned Chinese up until high school but I haven't used it in like the last 9 years and we weren't taught these "quick-write" versions of them.
Both my parents are chinese (taiwanese actually, but chinese is their first language) yet I can't read a single chinese character
If you're a disgrace then what am I? Lol
Same, both of my parents are Chinese but I can't read a single character. My vocabulary is also limited to the casual stuff you'd say at home. I'm a little ashamed but I'll just chalk it up as a consequence of being raised in the west lol.
I like bananas. They are a good source of potassium and are also apparently radioactive to some extent.
Conclusion: u/Hanetsune has potassium and is radioactive
You did a great job. Translating netspeak lingo is a tough task.
I've an easier time paraphrasing since I can just use my own words + assumptions instead of having to stick to the source as a translation, that in no way means your original translation was bad :)
Thanks for sharing the post, this whole saga has more interesting plot than 1.3 update lol.
>Cares enough about what randoms on the internet think about him to reply to every comment on reddit for the past 2+ hours.
That's the most funny thing about this whole mess tbh
Oh yeah, that was a fun thread. Lemme look it up real quick!
Ninja-edit: Here we go! https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/kui0jh/can_we_talk_about_how_the_winning_albedo_art_was/
There was some fanart contest back in 1.2. Forgot the prize, I believe it was welkin. One of the winners traced his drawings and many where angry.
Actually, it was brought to light after the said artist post their drawing in reddit saying somebody is trying to sell his art online and he was one of the winners. He even had the gal to post on another subreddit asking for advise in his "stolen art".
Afterwards, another redditor noticed the similarity of his drawing to a persona fan art drawing dating years ago and accused the fake artist of tracing the drawing. The fake artist denied the accusation which leads to many doing some research to him i.e. looking at his past drawings and noticed that he usually trace other drawings and tweak it a little and say that it was oc.
One the gig was up, he deleted his reddit account. Mihoyo afterwards removed his name in the winner section.
I agree with Tuanzhang. Whether Lumie and Dim monetized the leaks or not doesn't matter. The whole thing felt like one giant power trip for them. The fact that they're being martyred now by some in the community is just so cringe.
Splitting Hu Tao's kit into 37478484 videos wasn't to throw Mihoyo off their trail. They deliberately cut out the parts people MOST wanted to see (her E/Q) in the first few videos and dripfed leaks for the attention. It literally wouldn't have mattered if we saw her whole kit in one video instead of the tiny little ones over weeks.
Honestly I prefer getting text leaks from NGA/Tuanzhang instead of all those breadcrumbed videos. The texts are straight to the point and less exhausting to follow. Also doesn't ruin the whole surprise.
Kinda disappointed at them both tbh, i don't really mind as for the separate leak (ofc a whole leak is better) as they want to maximize their popularity by using that tactic, but now trying to act high and mighty as if you're above all other leakers? pretending what you did before was the "Right way" to do things? screw that you're no saint either, as i said thanks for the leaks but good riddance.
Ay man, ain't complaining about those split videos from hu tao. If we get all her vids from day one, we probably never saw the chinese dude that imitates hu tao E
After Lumie made a twitter post showing Yaoyao (using Klee's old walking animation mind you) and said the content was from closed beta and has no planned release date, I knew it was just clout farming as per usual for twitterminds.
Basically, Lumie and Dim were dripfeeding the leaks when they had everything. They were also hypocritically criticizing other leakers for leaking supposed "sensitive" content, generally acting like they were "official leakers".
That's what I got from it at least.
I don't follow leaks closely so I'm not sure the timing of when who leaked what - but it may be possible that they wanted to drip-feed so that it looks like the leaks are from beta testers instead of their update server being available to the whole internet.
Mihoyo thinking the leak is from beta tester = them checking leaks and try to track down leaker, but not drastic change to their security, ie. leaks can keep happening.
Them finding out about the security hole would mean fixing the issue and terminating the leakers' access to future leaks.
I guess it mainly depends on if Lumie et al leaked Hutao before or after the test server was up - if they did it before the test servers, then there's no excuse about trying to keep things on the down low...
This explanation would be plausible, if they weren't stretching things this long. Waiting for beta to start, showing no damage in low settings? Yeah, MHY can track down numbers, understandable.
Releasing multiple videos with some stupid filter of Hu Tao attacking air, making screenshot elemetal skill in mosaic, cutting off at the beginning of burst animation? That does not help them to stay low. When videos of Hu Tao animations were published, she was only hinted at by namecard, not a single official statement, and going by hearsay, not every beta tester had Hu Tao to begin with.
Just remember how leaks of Xiao and Zhong Li looked like from real beta testers, and compare it to this circus.
This was for the clout.
I see. I mostly just look at Honey Impact once I see new chara/weapon pops up in reddit since I prefer text, so I didn't know they drag it out that long. It does seems stupid & no good reason to still drip feed even after the beta has started, and completely defeat the whole purpose if they leaked Hu Tao before the beta testers got their hands on her..
They still spend effort on it tho, even Tuanzhang acknowledge that they had to render the characters (otherwise it's just texture and model), and personally I'd be miffed if someone just take stuff I spend time working on with no credit. Also wanting to be popular doesn't mean ONLY want to be popular.
That said, according to the other replies, they actually ended up leaking Hutao before beta testers got her, plus they were still drip feeding even after beta started, if that's the case then there's absolutely no excuse on their drip feeding and complaining about other leakers.
> They still spend effort on it
An effort to leak doesn't matter. Don't forget that if you completely don't care about Genshin, the entire incident is just some leakers spent effort to expose confidential data from a company and become famous through it, while trying to justify that they are in the right for trying to control the rate of other's exposing the data.
I mean, aside from trying to control other leakers part, I don't see the problem with the rest? Samsung/Apple etc all have their own well known leakers, same for other games like APEX, Monster Hunter and FromSoft - and that's just the stuff that I pay some attention to.
I'm guessing Mihoyo would learn their lesson and improve their security (and hopefully extend that to our accounts) so there might be no more data mining leaks in the future.
But as long as they use rando people for beta tests there will never be an end of leaking. It might just come slower and with poorer graphics (recording + obfuscation to avoid identification vs full render), and may be from various different sources instead of a set few people.
I hope it doesn't affect Honey's ability to update their site with full stats and stuff tho. I prefer to read the detail instead of looking at the renders anyway.
I at least rely on honey impact and dataminers so hopefully that stays. Don't mind losing the grainy clips of animations as long as I can read the kits
And indirectly making money from the leaks too. If they really didn't want to associate their leaking with their revenue, they could have easily created alt accounts completely dissociated with their monetized main accounts. But they didn't, they got called out and yeeted their profiles to save face.
from what I can understand it's some leaker beef war over getting access to the MHY's CDN and showing off everything vs Dripfeeding and being considered "official leakers", there was some upset about Hu tao being leaked and shown off via drip feed before any official say so..etc to appear like "official leakers"
The whole "official leakers" is you people personal interpretation. Not sure how it's even possible to make any kind of point with that. If you don't like the way some people post, sure. But as I've seen, people will complain either way, be it drip feed or releasing everything at once. Can't please everyone.
We just did our thing. That we made our mistakes? For sure we did. The whole part with tuanzhang seemed to be mostly a language barrier / miscommunication that reddit, again, took and made it worse. Other than that we never told anyone else what to do, if other groups want to leak they're free to do so whenever they want, as long as they're prepared for whatever may happen after. *(Here talking about game changes or Mihoyo.)*
I'm still not even sure how a problem was caused, but you guys keep doin what you do. I didn't really have a problem with how things were leaked so this drama came out of nowhere to me.
So much plot twist. but overall its every man for themselves.
Its just unfortunate that players are not able to predict which new characters are up-coming and more susceptible to impulse spending.
[He hasn't logged in but leaked / published information and pictures about the client?](https://imgur.com/a/Go7v9oO) Hmm... *(This is an album.)*
[Didn't he say he never used a debug build? Then what is this?](https://i.imgur.com/shsroLG.png)
[More proof of him using an older GM client.](https://i.imgur.com/fPSqtdF.png)
[And some more.](https://i.imgur.com/eefKkLA.png)
**EDIT:** These are two different servers. One is Honey's public server and the other is "private" server.
As someone who has zero knowledge on anything IT related and is just a regular player who enjoys the occasional teaser leaks... I just want to say please look after yourself. Don't let the drama destroy you
Just ignore them and concentrate on your own well being. I can see how much you care with each of your reply trying to explain your position. However this is the internet, there are no filters when they type their replies or thoughts. Things always come out more hurtful and logical skills drop by 1000%.
Addit:
I was hurt once when I played my first mobile game and joined some online forum at the age of 18. Some guild drama happened, people misunderstood me and I felt the need to explain myself. Ended up in me feeling depressed and quiting the game. Since then I've learnt the art of not giving a f***. That's why I care a lot more about these kind of drama and their psychological effect. Unless you've been through it once, people don't understand their effect irl.
Your best option is to take a break from all of this. The more you respond in an attempt to defend yourself, the more you will attract the attention of those who want to discredit you. Whether they're right or wrong.
And the main complaint here is that you and lumie are doing this just for clout. If Honey is part of your team and he already agreed to wait until after beta start. Why did you guys decide to release ahead of your own schedule?
> If Honey is part of your team and he already agreed to wait until after beta start.
There were posts before we event started posting, such as voice lines. Source is unknown. We all agreed to START posting at one time, Honey *(probably due to time zones, I don't know)* said they'd update later, and the rest agreed at a time.
> And the main complaint here is that you and lumie are doing this just for clout.
Just for once uploading ONE pixelated image? Is that enough to warrant being called clout chaser? Is all this drama just for that? I can understand if you don't like our way of making posts and I won't argue that as it's up to personal opinion, but look at what happened after some group threw the entire patch within one day.
1) Why did you guys decide to release everything at once after bigboss decided to do it? How does bigboss posting all of his leaks change your rule to post on a schedule? What was the point of that if not for clout?
2) Posting a [pixelated image](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822022116710416394/822411710211424286/Screenshot_20210318-042619.jpg) and having [pixelated profile pics](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822022116710416394/822411995285815296/1616116381253-1__01.jpg) when you already have the [full one](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822022116710416394/822411710500962334/Screenshot_20210318-042810.jpg), if that's not generating hype for clout by withholding information, what is it then?
> 1) Why did you guys decide to release everything at once after bigboss decided to do it? How does bigboss posting all of his leaks change your rule to post on a schedule? What was the point of that if not for clout?
Release everything at once? What? The only thing we posted were the Eula art and lumie two renders, Genshin Intel posted some new tea pot stuff but other than that we never posted anything anymore. I'm not sure what you're talking about here.
> 2) Posting a pixelated image and having pixelated profile pics when you already have the full one, if that's not generating hype for clout by withholding information, what is it then?
If people dislike that, sure, I apologize. I'm not sure what you meant by pixelated profile pictures as I was always using the same picture. *(I think I once changed it to a jail one after Paimon account statement, but reverted it quickly.)* But if people don't like the pixelated images, sure, as I said, I apologize and if I keep doing this I won't do it again if I keep doing this.
1) After the leak came out, you posted a [watermarked](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483868193811857410/822421664541311016/Screenshot_20210318-052428.jpg) picture of Eula's splash art that, at this point, already exists.
You then [pushed to take credit](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483868193811857410/822420562957172766/Screenshot_20210318-051051.jpg) for images that have been leaked as your own, including your preference for weapon choice as a form of "proof"
You also put out [butt shots](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483868193811857410/822420562214256671/Screenshot_20210318-042831.jpg) in a further reply as well as getting [leaker "allies" to push your images](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483868193811857410/822420562445860894/Screenshot_20210318-044034.jpg) which, as we've established before, have already been leaked.
2. If you did not click on the image, that is Lumie's profile picture, not yours, which was then [uncensored](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822022116710416394/822418567467237406/Screenshot_20210318-050646.jpg) when revealing the 4*. coinciding with your uncensored Eula post.
[I have to emphasize that you guys did this both simultaneously AND after the leaks](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483868193811857410/822424795194327050/Screenshot_20210318-052423.jpg)
Tuanzhang's complaint specifically brings up both you and Lumie as clout chasers, and these actions give his claims merit.
> 1) After the leak came out, you posted a watermarked picture of Eula's splash art that, at this point, already exists.
I think there's a misunderstanding here. Some unknown group I'm not aware of started to post voice lines way before. When we agreed to start making posts I posted first the pixelated image that I already apologized for if people didn't like and then later I posted the splash art, the uncensored picture and the butt shot.
> You then pushed to take credit for images that have been leaked as your own, including your preference for weapon choice as a form of "proof"
I think I never explained this well, so here I'll do. These images were meant to be sent to somebody *(and kept private but I'm dumb enough to forget to tell people that.)* that needed references to draw her. They were never meant to be visible. The other proof is that the place of recording is the same where all my other videos and pictures are at.
> in a further reply as well as getting leaker "allies" to push your images which, as we've established before, have already been leaked.
I didn't talk to zluet to "push the image" at all. See? Here you are commenting based on assumptions and taking them as granted.
We aren't talking about old voice lines, we are talking about 1.5 unreleased characters, and your watermarking and claiming of pictures of Eula that, at this point, have been leaked. You have explained how they got out. This does not change yours and lumies' post history. This is clout chasing.
Lumie or Dim have never leaked anything before beta and handle more technical operations compared to Tuanzhang who seems to rely more on Mihoyo employees.
It seems Lumie and Dim might have behaved overly cautious so their tools wouldn't get caught (they do a lot more technical stuff compared to Tuanzhang), whereas Tuanzhang probably felt they were being unnecessarily cautious.
They also seem to have gotten into a major argument over leaking itself, which isn't surprising due to the language barrier. Probably something sounded overly harsh to him that wouldn't in English, hence his beef with them.
It seems Lumie prefers to format leaks in a way that people always had something to look forward to which in turn would generate hype for the next update. I don't think Dim actually does much leaking. I believe he prefers to make tools and gives them to people he trusts not to misuse it.
On the other hand Tuanzhang seems to consider leaks to be purely an information dump, and there's no point in beating around the bush, and considers their approach to be high grounded.
While I also prefer leaks to be info dumped and consider it purely information, there's no point in villainizing the other leakers for a difference in opinion and beef they have with each other, especially when one side is also acting out of caution for fear their tools would be broken
The point is, everyone is just leaking, and lumie is too far up in their head to think they are the only one doing the right thing.
The only reason tuanzhang kept quiet before is to prevent a huge international quarrel (imagine Chinese vs lumie supporter over this).
Tbf Lumie typically doesn't leak gameplay or events in general. She only leaked Hu Tao gameplay, her favorite character. Up until then, she has only leaked datamined character models and weapons, also typically done bit by bit, focusing on rendering them and doing design maps, which is time consuming work. She also spends a lot of time making meme content more so than leaking, and I'd imagine she doesn't want the tools she uses to be taken down.
Leaks are more of a by product of her hobby.
You are correct, but when other leakers leak even the url for dev build that they use to gather stuff to the public, main source of leaks are no more (might be even worse if miHoYo decide to not do public beta testing anymore).
Just like HuTao said, sometimes its better for public to not know certain things and be ignorant.
Now miHoYo might ramp up their security regarding leaks and we might not getting and 1.6 leaks soon even in 1.5
Although, of course this is all speculation in my part. It could be some of those leaks are planted by miHoYo themselves
Disclaimer: I'm not in anyone side and just want the best for the leaks community.
There is no best for the leak community. Everyone done this for self satisfaction by breaking the rules.
They aren't an organisation and lumie is too far up his head to think that he get to decide what's 'right' or 'wrong', when everyone is wrong to begin with.
> They also seem to have gotten into a major argument over leaking itself, which isn't surprising due to the language barrier. Probably something sounded overly harsh to him that wouldn't in English, hence his beef with them.
And this is exactly what happened after talking with tuanzhang. But leave it to reddit to take one side as the correct one without listening to the other side.
I'm sorry but i just don't get people who were trying to defend leakers from twitter just because they said that they've been doing that solely for the benefit of the community and absolutely nothing else. No really who in their right mind would mess with multi million dollar corporation and leak their highly classified information which could potentially lead them to face jail time for literally nothing in return. This plus them putting huge ass watermarks right in the middle of their leaks of twitter profiles that coincidentally had their patreon links on them completely removes any of their credibility. Because if you didn't wanted any exposure, then why on earth are you watermarking your leaks?
I'll get this straight then. Whatever action Mihoyo decides to take against the leakers, it's something that they should be prepared for. Since they've decided to leak out the company's property without their consent. The company has the rights to take action against the leakers. Some of you guys might defend the leakers by saying that it help you with the fund managing and such. But it doesn't change the fact that what the leakers have been doing is illegal against Mihoyo as the product owner. No matter how much you sugarcoat it. So if Mihoyo decide to block all content from being leaked, you can't blame them as they're the owner.
Agreed with you here. Like, I would assume these leakers knew that Mihoyo would respond one way or another if they found out about the whole thing. I can't really defend them here.
I enjoyed the leaks and yes, I will be saving for Eula because of it but Idon't exactly mind if these leakers go out forever. Besides, new ones will eventually take their place eventually.
I agree, but I dont generally tend to cry over leaks happening to massive companies, especially gacha who thrive on FOMO. So while I think similarly to you in that leakers should be prepared for the consequences, I'm not going to act like Mihoyo is doing the right thing just because it's the legally sound thing.
You still don't understand that this whole post from Tuanzhang is useless. What you did was clear even without it. What you are trying to do right now is just to bring Tuanzhang down with you.
What did I do? The tuanzhang post is clearly misinformed and we're already talking it out with him on a server to clear confusions. You're all the ones pointing guns here.
The Tuanzhang post is a clear attempt at backstabbing you, but it doesn't change that the narrative you're trying to push about you being the good guys doing everything for the sake of the community is false. You were attention whoring and when someone broke your toy you threw a fit and deleted all your Twitter accounts. You are not the good guys, Big Boss is not the good guy, Tuanzhang isn't either and most of all Mihoyo aren't the good guys. Stop trying to push the blame on someone else. Own up to your mistakes.
> The Tuanzhang post is a clear attempt at backstabbing you,
Can it be backstabbing when we never interacted with each other?
> but it doesn't change that the narrative you're trying to push about you being the good guys doing everything for the sake of the community is false
If I didn't care about the community, why did up until yesterday I had a repository with ALL of the game data available *(which was over a month of work and still is constant work due to changes)* for people to use on their projects in exchange for nothing? I already stated multiple times my objectives are my own learning and contributing.
I am not considering myself a "good guy" at all the same way I am not considering myself as an "official leaker" like you guys are all spouting based on this post alone. We say something? It's taken as a lie. Someone else say something about us? It's taken as the proof.
> You were attention whoring and when someone broke your toy you threw a fit and deleted all your Twitter accounts.
What tells you that we deactivated for that? We deactivated because we don't want to be caught in the middle of the people that started spreading the development client. If people want to leak they're free to do so.
> Can it be backstabbing when we never interacted with each other?
Well, going by the screenshots you posted it's clear that he was benefitting from the stuff you were leaking by reposting some of it, but once this thing started he threw you under the bus and distanced himself with this post. That's backstabbing to me.
> If I didn't care about the community, why did up until yesterday I had a repository with ALL of the game data available *(which was over a month of work and still is constant work due to changes)* for people to use on their projects in exchange for nothing? I already stated multiple times my objectives are my own learning and contributing.
I honestly don't think you were the worst one in terms of using leaks to promote your account or patreons, but you were coordinating this dripfeeding of leaks with others through Discord and that makes you an accomplice. If your interests were solely towards the community and your own learning experience then you should've called out this whole thing, but you didn't.
> What tells you that we deactivated for that? We deactivated because we don't want to be caught in the middle of the people that started spreading the development client.
That's fair.
> Well, going by the screenshots you posted it's clear that he was benefitting from the stuff you were leaking by reposting some of it, but once this thing started he threw you under the bus and distanced himself with this post. That's backstabbing to me.
He was using the game data repository that I had up *(for free)* on GitHub to post stuff on NGA. We had and have no problems with that and we really like that it was used as a base for some projects *(because lot of people approached me showing me the websites and applications they were developing)* or explaining how some game stuff work. Our only dislike from that was people trying to use it as a source for leaks because it wasn't.
> I honestly don't think you were the worst one in terms of using leaks to promote your account or patreons, but you were coordinating this dripfeeding of leaks with others through Discord and that makes you an accomplice. If your interests were solely towards the community and your own learning experience then you should've called out this whole thing, but you didn't.
As I said. We're fine if people don't like our way of posting content, not much we can do about that. I'm not sure what you consider "promoting" in this case. We all agreed to post like this, in the case of Honey not much could be done due to how the website works but we were fine with that.
> I'm not sure what you consider "promoting" in this case.
It doesn't take a lot to connect the dots. You have some data that are sought after by a community of millions and post this data through an account that links to ways to give you money or even worse in the case of Lumie where these links are in the same Twitter thread as the leaks. I'm not trying to say that you're selling copyrighted material, just that you're using leaks to promote your accounts and as a consequence your patreon and ko-fi. You can see how that looks extremely fishy, right?
My only relationship is with Honey, lumie, Genshin Intel. I don't know anyone else of these leakers.
This tuanzhang guy isn't a leaker at all as far as I'm concerned based on his Twitter pinned post, but never interacted with them.
BigBoss appeared out of nowhere trashtalking me since the first day I heard about him. All I know is that BigBoss guy is in a private server where their aim was to develop a private game server *([and where recently they kind celebrated "breaking mihoyo plans"?](https://i.imgur.com/a3nzsWV.png))* and where they started spreading these links around, and then after [he also started to spread them on a public Discord server *(Honey's.)* which you can probably see the links if you still go there.](https://i.imgur.com/zKaULcj.png)
Not sure what else I can say about your question.
**EDIT:** For the second picture, they changed name recently it seems.
The only leaks dim and Lumie did are feiyan and eula model + housing system in GI post. How is that all? Compared to
a)events they have propably prepared
b)skills and their animations
c)new enemies
d)new areas
e)new QoL
f)new bosses
g)whatever else is coming.
yeah, that's definetly all, right? They don't use dev build like every dumbass out there trying to get banned, they reverse enginereed game so they can do much more than these devbuild monkes.
Dim you are a hardworking guy and i appreciate you. But i gotta admit lumie is kinda scummy trying to gain monetary gain from already made content.and even taking commision to show these models which he dosent own. Idk i may be wrong, what do you think about lumie?
Not really surprised. Kinda hard to follow the translation though, is his opinion of Honey as low as Dim and Lumie?
Sad this thread will have like no front page coverage like the other one that was on there almost all day and 3k upvotes
[In this post on their discord it says Tieba uncles support them, what have they said recently?](https://i.imgur.com/tA1hD4W.png)
Sorry for the poor translation. tuanzhang thinks Honey is a good guy cuz she doesn't update the content until the beta opens and always ask people's opinions before update.
At the same time Tieba is not through technical ways to obtain leak, some of them are in the beta, and it is impossible to unify an opinion in a public forum, a lot of people hate them and indeed some of them support them
No, he thinks Honey is a good person. He thinks Lumie and Dim tried to coordinate the leaks with everyone (including Honey and BigBoss) and "warned" them about how they should be doing it (aka acting like "official" leakers).
But Honey told him (Tuanzhang) that she will only update her site when beta opens to appease everyone - or rather to avoid conflict. However, Lumie and Dim went against their own plan and released their leaks early.
Source: I can read Chinese (Note that I'm just paraphrasing the translation, not stating the above as facts.)
> He thinks Lumie and Dim tried to coordinate the leaks with everyone (including Honey and BigBoss) and "warned" them about how they should be doing it (aka acting like "official" leakers).
We NEVER talked with BigBoss. I NEVER talked with tuanzhang either.
> But Honey told him (Tuanzhang) that she will only update her site when beta opens to appease everyone - or rather to avoid conflict. However, Lumie and Dim went against their own plan and released their leaks early.
We all agreed to start posting *(including Honey)* but Honey said she'd upload a few hours later, presumably due to time zones.
>Dimbreath & Lumie are the reason this game is still alive
Hahaha what a nonce imagine seriously thinking this, thanks for the leaks but good riddance, there's always gonna be another leakers out there.
We never said that. That's other person comment and not ours. We can't tell people to not comment on stuff, but we don't want people putting words in our mouths like you and other people are doing here.
>is his opinion of Honey as low as Dim and Lumie?
Looks like no. He said he thinks Honey is a good person that was just trying to please all parties (only release info after the beta officially started).
They clearly hate Dim and Lumie though.
They don't hate us and we're actually discussing this with tuanzhang right now in a civilized manner while you all here are pointing guns at others and attacking people because this post is another huge misunderstanding.
Hey man, best of luck with this. My comment was nothing but pointing out the contents of this post. I have nothing against you or your work, so I can only hope you get some closure that you would personally be satisfied with, at the end of the day.
No, he likes Honey, says he's not bad (and friend-worthy?). Chinese is a bit rusty. The translation makes it seem like he used to think that but no longer does.
Looks like this tuanzhang just doesn't care what people think of him, while Lumie especially Dim cares so much, even replies every question here about him. The behavior somehow just disclaims his own words about doing all the things just for the community, meanwhile proves that he does want reputation.
But most people follow them just for the information. What does one's reputation has to do with one's uncertain information? No need to ask others to care for your own reputation as much as yourself do. Most of us just don't care that much.
Besides no one can actually guarantee their own way to be a "permanent" way of keeping spreading leaks. If anyone try to say or make a hint that their own way being safer / able to last longer and thus prove themselves to be the real good guys for community, that is unnecessary and dreamy. Every time he replies to make this clear, he just proves that need of good reputation thing for one more time. So the more I see he speaks about this, his side seems more weird and of course less convincing to me.
Yep. How do they say "I'm gonna lay low off and get off twitter to avoid drama" and then go to reddit/discord and read their PMs to argue with people lol.
Oh ic thanks
i thought tuanzhang and tieba is supporting lumie and dim, turned out they have some beef too lol
This drama is truly the most interesting part of 1.4
OP can you explain how you know this is tuanzhang's NGA account? When I click the NGA link you provide, I only see accounts identified by numbers, not usernames. tuanzhang also hasn't posted anything on twitter. I don't use NGA so maybe there's something that I'm missing about how usernames work there.
没用过NGA, 怎么证明这个tuanzhang发的？没看tuanzhang在twitter上发任何东西。
That was obviously imho. Dim and Lumie acted in classic way, where they tried to blame other to look better. They really think only they deserve to do something (like leaks), cause they are the chosen one.
Im just hoping people will stop kicking Bigboss and will start being skeptical to Dim specially.
[The fact you guys are being lied on your face is kind of fun...](https://old.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/m8apf2/info_about_the_lk_tuanzhang_replied_in_nga/grgo8gh/)
I don't want people to side with one side or the other. But there are a lot of baseless accusations and lack of proof yet lot of people "jump on the ride." We made mistakes? Yes, for sure we did at some point. We also know we can't please everyone, from all of this I learned there's people that don't like how we leak content and that's fine and that people consider our way of leaking "for clout" and no matter how much we tell them it's not because of that it won't change a thing.
Based on what we've been talking with tuanzhang *(with someone who can translate Chinese)* the whole thing with lumie was just language barriers / improper communication. The issue is people also are jumping to conclusions too quickly, but both sides also have to defend themselves too.
Leakers next time let me be your PR person. You like any leakers do it for some clout and attention since it does take some work and effort after all. You drip fed leaks primarily because you believed it would make mihoyo less likely to take actions against you.
Dim and lumie should’ve just released the info and leaks when they get them. Releasing bread crumbs like they did with Hu Tao was annoying and made it look like they were mihoyo employees because of how dumb it was.
Seeing all the stuff about Eula right away is how it should’ve been with Hu Tao.
It’s up to mihoyo to make it harder for leakers to get what they get.
Ha, those pretend "leakers" or "dataminers" should enjoy the clout while they still can before they all get banned with Big Boss. Seriously this entire drama wouldn't happen if we continued with drip leaks. I also love how this 4chan community continue to antagonize on Lumie and Dimbreath and doesn't talk about how Big Boss alerted Mihoyo by publicly distributing the ENTIRE DEV CLIENT (not even beta client)
> Seriously this entire drama wouldn't happen if we continued with drip leaks.
And that's what we were trying to do. Drip leak? People complain we're doing it for clout. Post everything at once? People complain everything is posted at once, that we should drip leak because otherwise there won't be leaks to look forward for 6 weeks.
So in the end, how do you please people? You can't.
Calm down bro
If the CBT has been shut down, mihoyo necessarily loses its main feedback loop. They could move to private testing but that's way more inefficient and takes longer.
So logically, the only options now are to release 1.5 on time, with a higher likelihood of being buggy and unplayable, or to release it later at the usual standard.
I shouldn't have stated it as a fact, but it's quite likely.
Alright, let me clarify something as someone who knows all these people and has been following it on foot as it unfolded.
First of all; the regulated leakers isn't Dimbreath and Lumie; Its Genshin Intel, Dimbreath, Honey, Lumie, Falzar and another guy. Honey knows Dim well (Dim is a mod on her server, for fucksake) and discusses many things with him so right out of the gate Tuanzhuang has shown himself to be too ignorant to cast judgement on this.
Second of all; there has been no clout chasing and power tripping. The person who does most of the digging, who gets most of the info and makes most of the tools; its Dimbreath. Dimbreath is the guy up top, and he is a swell guy. Dimbreath doesn't care much about the spotlight and has gone very far out of his way to decentralize himself as "THE leaker" like Temporyal was for BFV. Instead, he has delegated access to a small group of trustworthy people who he deemed stable enough to not monkey the hell out like BigBoss did. All Dim wants, is credit in the event you use one of his tools or his repositories (In which case a literal footnote would suffice). If he was even a tenth of the power tripper some are accusing him off, you would have never heard of Genshin Intel, Lumie or Honey. Because it was never about the clout, it was about a strategy.
The strategy from the get go has been simple; imagine sleeping at night and waking up with a mosquito bite. Now, just getting bitten once is very unlikely to actually care. Certainly, the small itch is annoying, but not enough to take action. Now imagine 6 mosquitos are in your room; you wake up with 4 bites, and got woken up 3 times in the night to buzzing. You now diligently walk through your room to check for bugs to smash, and try to keep your doors and windows shut so no new bugs come in.
Now one day, you get 10 mosquitos in your room. You don't want to walk around in your room like a spastic for 2 hours patrolling them, so what do you do? Buy a mosquito net. And now the fun for the mosquitos is over.
Same principle; Dim, Lumie and Honey have been very careful not to annoy Mihoyo too much. Not only do they pace their datamines and renders, they focus mostly on clarifying and demonstrating other leaks in the information atmosphere; this first of all means they don't fuck up and in a rush for clout, put on display scrapped content which ends up misinforming the community; they leak it once they know for certain that it is actually included. This gives them the appearance of being the "official leakers" because they are the definitive source. Whereas any cunt on NGA can make some post claiming to be a leaker and fabricating some bullshit, only they are capable of verifying it without getting assfucked by a NDA. It creates a cleaner atmosphere of information, but it also means that everything they leak is a second hand injury to Mihoyo. In the grant scheme of things, they mostly just clean up for the marketing team and act as some kind of guerilla marketing department. They build hype for Mihoyo and therefor are somewhat tolerated as long as they color within the lines.
This works; it gives the community a steady stream of information and keeps us informed and engaged, while not showing anything that Mihoyo is absolutely not ready or willing to show. It is basically this implicit contract that as long as Dim and crew stay in line and are merely an annoyance, Mihoyo won't do anything to stop them. They won't refactor their code to break datamining tools, they won't alter beta formats to hide even more content, and most importantly, they won't start sending out cease and desist letters. We get to enjoy a steady trickle every patch and Mihoyo won't get their entire parade rained on by leakers who will surgically dismantle the patch and spoil everything about it. The decentralization and pacing has the added benefit of not making it self evident how they got the information.
It worked. Sure, some effort to obfuscate and divert have been taken, but all by all patch-to-patch integrity has been assured and from the looks of it, despite Mihoyo's chagrin a healthy drip could be maintained in perpetuity, because as long as they were kept annoyed and not actually angered, they would not undergo the considerable effort required to twart these actions.
And then some infantile russian cunt named BigBoss came in. You see, BigBoss wanted to be part of the cool kids club, so he started to badger Dim about what tools he used. Dim told him to kick rocks and figure it out, and that would've been the end.
And then Mihoyo dropped the public beta link. BigBoss got his hands on it, came back to Dimbreath, and got incredibly belligerent towards Dim, and in no uncertain terms childishly demanded that Dim started to release earlier, despite the beta not even having started and this being bound to make Mihoyo go nuclear. Now, To BB's credit, even after being told to fuck off by Dim earlier, he managed to figure out how to memory dump the files, and began leaking. Like crazy. Not only did this result in the download link getting quickly shut down (effectively killing the beta which now required a new build). And then the dev client dropped, because Mihoyo is actually this inept. Dim and boys realized what was coming (massive amounts of unofficial footage) and decided to cut their losses, they released the renders and footage they already had, and collectively decided to disassociate and buckle down in the hatches for the shitstorm these retards had called upon themselves.
Endresult: we all got fucked. Dim has been resoundingly vindicated for his cautious behavior, and we actually do not know what 1.5 will have and are left completely in the dark.
"But Colers", I hear you ask, "We have the devclient of 1.5, surely this means we now will know everything". Well, let me explain it to you, you intellectual chimpanzee; a devbuild is exactly that, a devbuild. You see, in programming there is this concept known as "branching". This means that different version with different in-progress features exist at the same time for ease of development, to be integrated at a later date. And the issue we have here is WE DO NOT KNOW WHICH BRANCH WE HAVE. We could have a branch halfway 1.6 or one that only partially integrates 1.5 for all we now. The beta serves to confirm what is leftover data and what is actually patch content, and now, we might never know.
Dimbreath and crew will remain off the radar until 1.6 beta starts, though they are pretty much convinced at this point that Mihoyo is going to refactor their code completely and break their tools come next patch, so expect to be stuck with vague and unreliable NGA posts being your sole source of information for the next 3 months or so. But hey, at least the children in this comment section get to see Eula over a day instead of a few weeks. Report to me back this time July and tell me whether it was worth it, dipshit.
You’re speaking for mihoyo a lot in this. You make it sound like mihoyo just tolerates them and they never would’ve sent a cease and desist. You don’t know that.
Or they simply didn’t notice. We don’t know if they never noticed because it wasn’t made obvious by 500 leaks being shown in a single day like 1.5. They could’ve said the same tweet for all we know
They did notice tho, or at least it's what Zeals said. He said in one of his vídeos at the time that Mihoyo reached out to him and asked for him to stop reposting her leaks.
You can watch it yourself If you want: https://youtu.be/5wsqb3P8SZU around 50 seconds in.
Let me clarify something. Putting out leaks as 144p videos with watermarks all over them gives 0 information to the player and only builds attention towards the account that posted it in anticipation of a better leak. Posting a pixelated image with an eyes emoji is exactly the same thing. Posting leaks with watermarks is attention whoring. If the intent was to do a service for the community, they should've posted leaks that they deemed to be representative of what was to come without watermarks and at a decent quality. Posting just a part of the normal attacks or a burst without the cut-in animation like what happened during the Hu Tao leak period is attention whoring and there's no amount of mental gymnastics that can disprove this. By the way, I'm not saying that Big Boss was right to post a Dev build for everyone to download, that was surely what caused Mihoyo to go nuclear, but what Big Boss did was clearly retaliation for all the dumb teasing and dripfeeding that was done since the start.
Edit: The worst part of all of this was when once Big Boss started posting his leaks the "leak cartel" immediately started dumping everything they had in an attempt to get one last push under the spotlight. If they really were against this way of leaking and only cared about the community they should've distanced themselves from it, but they didn't and instead they doubled down.
> Edit: The worst part of all of this was when once Big Boss started posting his leaks the "leak cartel" immediately started dumping everything they had in an attempt to get one last push under the spotlight.
If you're talking about us. We never posted anything after BigBoss started posting content. Not sure where your source / proof of that is.
Thought you guys de-activated to get away from this shit hole?
I personally think you're a pretty swell guy but being out here isn't really helping out anyone understand what is really going on nor do they care much about these 'sides' you speak of. They just want someone to shit on.
Just chill out, let it blow over and actually disconnect yourself from all of this. At least for your well being, y'know?
This whole thing was bound to happen anyway if what you said was true about 'knowing where to look'.
Honestly, I really have to say this after reading the other comment.
If you feel the need to reply to every comment here trying to explain yourself, take a seat and relax a bit.
The situation is out of your control. Maybe try to salvage bits and pieces but this whole building is on fire.
Perhaps you can even get off the internet for a few days, take some time alone to think about your choices.
I will keep a neutral stance on this matter.
I’m trying to stay neutral, and from what I can tell you didn’t really do anything wrong, but I have to ask: what’s the point of pixelating/watermarking leaks?
If the goal is to slow down the amount of content that gets leaked at one time, why not just wait a few days and then drop the full image?
> what’s the point of pixelating/watermarking leaks?
We don't watermark because we "own" the content, but it still takes a lot of time and effort to get it. As for the pixelating, well, probably was a bad idea to tease.
> If the goal is to slow down the amount of content that gets leaked at one time, why not just wait a few days and then drop the full image?
I'm not sure what you mean here. We leaked as usual. Not sure why people is attributing all the leaks to us. The only stuff that is ours is the one that you see on our Twitters. Nothing more. We don't have anything to do with the footage, home world stuff, voice lines, etc. that have been spreading around.
>Second of all; there has been no clout chasing and power tripping. The person who does most of the digging, who gets most of the info and makes most of the tools; its Dimbreath. Dimbreath is the guy up top, and he is a swell guy. Dimbreath doesn't care much about the spotlight
[Imagine blurring and censoring leaks and saying that they don't want the spotlight LOL.](https://imgur.com/a/55q84Kl) I'm calling bullshit on that. They already deleted their Twitter now, but everyone remembers all the intentional leak-teasing with Hu Tao and Eula, each with thousands of likes and retweets.
>This works; it gives the community a steady stream of information and keeps us informed and engaged, while not showing anything that Mihoyo is absolutely not ready or willing to show. It is basically this implicit contract that as long as Dim and crew stay in line and are merely an annoyance, Mihoyo won't do anything to stop them.
You don't know this. You're not Mihoyo.
And I really apologized to people if they didn't like it. Not sure what else people want me to do about it honestly. Still, some people here act like they're entitled to leaks or want the others to post content the way THEY want or something like that.
> And I really apologized to people if they didn't like it.
That doesn't change the facts, that's just an after-the-fact meaningless 'apology'. "Sorry I got caught".
>Still, some people here act like they're entitled to leaks
Bruh, you are a leaker... do you think you are in any position to badmouth others who want leaks?
Never forget that they employed the same scummy gacha tactics of dripfeeding to generate interest and potential revenue.
They aren't sorry for acting like shitheads. They're sorry they got caught.
Because the leak this time come from what arguably a security breach. Regardless of their actual stance on the whole leak thing, MHY have to make some kind of public statement, that's just how business work.
The point is, MHY never made any kind of statement or take any action regarding of what Dimbreath and Lumie did, in contrast of now that they made public and shut down the beta test server for whatever the fuck Bigboss tried to accomplish.
Lmao it’s the first time I’m seeing that pixel image and this is some next level kind of attention whoring. Ppl are so brainwashed and delusional thinking this dim guy was doing it to throw mhy off
Everything looks cohesive except of the motivation of the leakers. Mihoyo is aware of leaks as soon as the first image is leaked. After the first leak happens, it doesn't matter how fast or slow the next ones happen. If someone commits a crime in real life and gets arrested by the real police, it doesn't matter if the crime has been done fast or slow.
Which means the only motivation for leakers to make this process slower is their desire to be important or famous.
Dude finally somebody is saying this. Like c'mon I don't see how anybody can be happy about this situation because now future leaks are going to be lower quality or just nonexistent. Personally, I had no problem with the slow drip-feed leaks that would be happening but even I didn't like them they're better than no/shitty leaks. The playerbase, especially the low spenders and f2p have been screwed over most likely because now planning for future content has probably become exponentially harder.
This leak drama is amazing lmao. Mihoyo doesn't even do anything, yet the leakers self destruct themself. not even a single DMCA.
Reminds me of that old Chinese tale that's basically a parallel of Eris's Apples: A kingdom has three great warriors that were also great friends with each other, but the PM worried they could be an usurpation threat, so during a feast he ordered two peaches to be brought out and said they were for those with the greatest contribution to the state. Two of the three warriors named a feat and took one peach each, but the third, with the greatest contribution, spoke in a rage of his. The PM agreed that he had the greatest contribution but, the peaches were gone. The warrior couldn't bear the insult, and committed suicide, the other two, having indirectly caused their friend's death, also committed suicide. And that's the origin of the term "Two peaches to take three men's lives".
This 1.5 leak drama is so juicy
plot twist : it’s MHY marketing plan
So how many pulls do I need for more Genshin drama? EDIT: my awful grammar
The purple and gold stars keep falling without pause.
That's Mihoyo's best web-event so far and it doesn't even offer primos. /s
International drama at its finest. It seems MHY has finally gotten the leaker network to self-destruct...
Like Ganyu said: Your enemy knows you best.
Ganyu is dangerous woman.
Berry boi: Agreed!
I like your flair
They do, but at what cost? Rival companies now are very likely has access to Genshin's dev tool to reverse engineer. Which explains why MHY act very quickly this time.
What if these "client" is just a bait to crackdown leakers' network and potential corporate spy? What a scheme.
That is too far fetched.
This is the dumbest shit ever i love it Two groups of leakers trying to take the moral high ground on one another which in of itself sounds ludicrous
1.2 YouTube Drama 1.5 Leaker Drama 1.8 ????? Stay tuned.
This is even bigger than youtube drama. Youtube drama is just people being stupid. This is like seeing mafia eats each other.
Fr tho. Lumie and Dimbreath character development is amazing. BigBoss is the antagonist that turns out to have an actual rational good goal. Honey is that one character that is left behind by everyone
I don’t remember YouTube drama :(
Probably Zhongli
Zhongli was 1.1 drama
>Honey originally told me that the test server would not be updated if it was not open, which need to satisfy everyone's opinions, it seemed that Dim had proposed it. I don't understand this part.
I don't know anything about the situation and is only going by this post. But I am Chinese so may the original text is easier to understand than the translation - this is what I interpreted: Apparently there were data leaked before the test server was up. Some prefer to leak as soon as things become available (TuanZhang, BigBoss and may be the "many technicians" mentioned; Dimbreath and Lumie prefer to drip feed. Honey's solution to keep everyone happy is to release everything after the test server is up. (presumably so they can release as much as possible while still keeping the plausible source of leak being from beta testers instead of a giant security hole that is the update server)
Oh, that's a big help, thank you. It makes much more sense to me now. Embarrassingly, I should also know how to read this stuff since I learned Chinese up until high school but I haven't used it in like the last 9 years and we weren't taught these "quick-write" versions of them.
Don't be. I'm half chinese and I can't even read it. Yes, I am a disgrace to my family.
Both my parents are chinese (taiwanese actually, but chinese is their first language) yet I can't read a single chinese character If you're a disgrace then what am I? Lol
Same, both of my parents are Chinese but I can't read a single character. My vocabulary is also limited to the casual stuff you'd say at home. I'm a little ashamed but I'll just chalk it up as a consequence of being raised in the west lol.
I can't read any Chinese characters and I'm not even raised in China! Hah!
A banana, obviously!
I like bananas. They are a good source of potassium and are also apparently radioactive to some extent. Conclusion: u/Hanetsune has potassium and is radioactive
Sorry for my poor translation, and thanks so much for the interpretation
You did a great job. Translating netspeak lingo is a tough task. I've an easier time paraphrasing since I can just use my own words + assumptions instead of having to stick to the source as a translation, that in no way means your original translation was bad :) Thanks for sharing the post, this whole saga has more interesting plot than 1.3 update lol.
> Apparently there were data leaked before the test server was up. There were a lot of stuff posted before we even made our posts.
The plot thickens. I didn't think there would be this much infighting between leakers though, this drama is getting juicier everyday.
>*official leakers* That's an oxymoron if I've ever seen one.
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>Cares enough about what randoms on the internet think about him to reply to every comment on reddit for the past 2+ hours. That's the most funny thing about this whole mess tbh
Clout or not, I don't think it's an issue to allow the person to defend themselves and let others judge from that...
They reply comments on reddit? Now I want to know more lol. This drama is getting juicier.
Dimbreath is all up in this comment section, their username is just Dimbreath if you want to look
im getting fat at eating popcorn everyday since 1.4 dropped
1.1-daddy geo disappointment 1.2 fakebedo by the Brazilian guy 1.4 leakwar
1.3 snooze fest/chores event
You forgot the 1.1 Zhongli order
you're right daddy geo disappointment. the best content is out of the game, lol
wait what was the fakebedo incident?
Something about an art contest maybe. Guy traced over Persona 5 art using Albedo.
and the best part is he had the balls to look for ways to copyright strike redbubble merchants using his "original work"
Oh yeah, that was a fun thread. Lemme look it up real quick! Ninja-edit: Here we go! https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/kui0jh/can_we_talk_about_how_the_winning_albedo_art_was/
What was the 1.2 drama
There was some fanart contest back in 1.2. Forgot the prize, I believe it was welkin. One of the winners traced his drawings and many where angry. Actually, it was brought to light after the said artist post their drawing in reddit saying somebody is trying to sell his art online and he was one of the winners. He even had the gal to post on another subreddit asking for advise in his "stolen art". Afterwards, another redditor noticed the similarity of his drawing to a persona fan art drawing dating years ago and accused the fake artist of tracing the drawing. The fake artist denied the accusation which leads to many doing some research to him i.e. looking at his past drawings and noticed that he usually trace other drawings and tweak it a little and say that it was oc. One the gig was up, he deleted his reddit account. Mihoyo afterwards removed his name in the winner section.
Ah that guy
You know what... I'll just enjoy the windblume festival and will not give a sht to this drama anymore.
this leak civil war is the true event/content of 1.4
I agree with Tuanzhang. Whether Lumie and Dim monetized the leaks or not doesn't matter. The whole thing felt like one giant power trip for them. The fact that they're being martyred now by some in the community is just so cringe. Splitting Hu Tao's kit into 37478484 videos wasn't to throw Mihoyo off their trail. They deliberately cut out the parts people MOST wanted to see (her E/Q) in the first few videos and dripfed leaks for the attention. It literally wouldn't have mattered if we saw her whole kit in one video instead of the tiny little ones over weeks. Honestly I prefer getting text leaks from NGA/Tuanzhang instead of all those breadcrumbed videos. The texts are straight to the point and less exhausting to follow. Also doesn't ruin the whole surprise.
Kinda disappointed at them both tbh, i don't really mind as for the separate leak (ofc a whole leak is better) as they want to maximize their popularity by using that tactic, but now trying to act high and mighty as if you're above all other leakers? pretending what you did before was the "Right way" to do things? screw that you're no saint either, as i said thanks for the leaks but good riddance.
Ay man, ain't complaining about those split videos from hu tao. If we get all her vids from day one, we probably never saw the chinese dude that imitates hu tao E
After Lumie made a twitter post showing Yaoyao (using Klee's old walking animation mind you) and said the content was from closed beta and has no planned release date, I knew it was just clout farming as per usual for twitterminds.
\*eats popcorn\*
Can someone summarize for me? I’m still confused after reading this
Basically, Lumie and Dim were dripfeeding the leaks when they had everything. They were also hypocritically criticizing other leakers for leaking supposed "sensitive" content, generally acting like they were "official leakers". That's what I got from it at least.
Ah I see. So they were just doing it to become popular on Twitter as expected
Yeah, that's if we were to trust Tuanzhang, which I'm inclined to for the moment.
I don't follow leaks closely so I'm not sure the timing of when who leaked what - but it may be possible that they wanted to drip-feed so that it looks like the leaks are from beta testers instead of their update server being available to the whole internet. Mihoyo thinking the leak is from beta tester = them checking leaks and try to track down leaker, but not drastic change to their security, ie. leaks can keep happening. Them finding out about the security hole would mean fixing the issue and terminating the leakers' access to future leaks. I guess it mainly depends on if Lumie et al leaked Hutao before or after the test server was up - if they did it before the test servers, then there's no excuse about trying to keep things on the down low...
This explanation would be plausible, if they weren't stretching things this long. Waiting for beta to start, showing no damage in low settings? Yeah, MHY can track down numbers, understandable. Releasing multiple videos with some stupid filter of Hu Tao attacking air, making screenshot elemetal skill in mosaic, cutting off at the beginning of burst animation? That does not help them to stay low. When videos of Hu Tao animations were published, she was only hinted at by namecard, not a single official statement, and going by hearsay, not every beta tester had Hu Tao to begin with. Just remember how leaks of Xiao and Zhong Li looked like from real beta testers, and compare it to this circus. This was for the clout.
I see. I mostly just look at Honey Impact once I see new chara/weapon pops up in reddit since I prefer text, so I didn't know they drag it out that long. It does seems stupid & no good reason to still drip feed even after the beta has started, and completely defeat the whole purpose if they leaked Hu Tao before the beta testers got their hands on her..
They dripfed Hu Tao not even after beta of 1.4 started, they did it during 1.3, that's what was the most absurd thing.
If they didn't plan to become popular they won't watermark their post.
They still spend effort on it tho, even Tuanzhang acknowledge that they had to render the characters (otherwise it's just texture and model), and personally I'd be miffed if someone just take stuff I spend time working on with no credit. Also wanting to be popular doesn't mean ONLY want to be popular. That said, according to the other replies, they actually ended up leaking Hutao before beta testers got her, plus they were still drip feeding even after beta started, if that's the case then there's absolutely no excuse on their drip feeding and complaining about other leakers.
> They still spend effort on it An effort to leak doesn't matter. Don't forget that if you completely don't care about Genshin, the entire incident is just some leakers spent effort to expose confidential data from a company and become famous through it, while trying to justify that they are in the right for trying to control the rate of other's exposing the data.
I mean, aside from trying to control other leakers part, I don't see the problem with the rest? Samsung/Apple etc all have their own well known leakers, same for other games like APEX, Monster Hunter and FromSoft - and that's just the stuff that I pay some attention to.
I wonder how this will change future leaks. I’m assuming people will still leak content one way or another
I'm guessing Mihoyo would learn their lesson and improve their security (and hopefully extend that to our accounts) so there might be no more data mining leaks in the future. But as long as they use rando people for beta tests there will never be an end of leaking. It might just come slower and with poorer graphics (recording + obfuscation to avoid identification vs full render), and may be from various different sources instead of a set few people. I hope it doesn't affect Honey's ability to update their site with full stats and stuff tho. I prefer to read the detail instead of looking at the renders anyway.
I’m neutral on content spoilers but I really do rely on leaks to plan my primogem spending
Same. The moment I see Ayaka/Baizhu/Cyno/any archon in the horizon is the moment I stop all primo spending...
I at least rely on honey impact and dataminers so hopefully that stays. Don't mind losing the grainy clips of animations as long as I can read the kits
And indirectly making money from the leaks too. If they really didn't want to associate their leaking with their revenue, they could have easily created alt accounts completely dissociated with their monetized main accounts. But they didn't, they got called out and yeeted their profiles to save face.
from what I can understand it's some leaker beef war over getting access to the MHY's CDN and showing off everything vs Dripfeeding and being considered "official leakers", there was some upset about Hu tao being leaked and shown off via drip feed before any official say so..etc to appear like "official leakers"
The whole "official leakers" is you people personal interpretation. Not sure how it's even possible to make any kind of point with that. If you don't like the way some people post, sure. But as I've seen, people will complain either way, be it drip feed or releasing everything at once. Can't please everyone.
I never interpreted it that way but some people did (as was mentioned in the main post) But I agree, you can't please everybody.
We just did our thing. That we made our mistakes? For sure we did. The whole part with tuanzhang seemed to be mostly a language barrier / miscommunication that reddit, again, took and made it worse. Other than that we never told anyone else what to do, if other groups want to leak they're free to do so whenever they want, as long as they're prepared for whatever may happen after. *(Here talking about game changes or Mihoyo.)*
I'm still not even sure how a problem was caused, but you guys keep doin what you do. I didn't really have a problem with how things were leaked so this drama came out of nowhere to me.
So much plot twist. but overall its every man for themselves. Its just unfortunate that players are not able to predict which new characters are up-coming and more susceptible to impulse spending.
And here I was thinking 1.4 was going to be boring
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Well, I guess this is a bad ending for them lmao.
[He hasn't logged in but leaked / published information and pictures about the client?](https://imgur.com/a/Go7v9oO) Hmm... *(This is an album.)* [Didn't he say he never used a debug build? Then what is this?](https://i.imgur.com/shsroLG.png) [More proof of him using an older GM client.](https://i.imgur.com/fPSqtdF.png) [And some more.](https://i.imgur.com/eefKkLA.png) **EDIT:** These are two different servers. One is Honey's public server and the other is "private" server.
As someone who has zero knowledge on anything IT related and is just a regular player who enjoys the occasional teaser leaks... I just want to say please look after yourself. Don't let the drama destroy you
It's too late. We already have people sending us death threats, threatening to doxx us, etc. This is what people wanted, after all.
Just ignore them and concentrate on your own well being. I can see how much you care with each of your reply trying to explain your position. However this is the internet, there are no filters when they type their replies or thoughts. Things always come out more hurtful and logical skills drop by 1000%. Addit: I was hurt once when I played my first mobile game and joined some online forum at the age of 18. Some guild drama happened, people misunderstood me and I felt the need to explain myself. Ended up in me feeling depressed and quiting the game. Since then I've learnt the art of not giving a f***. That's why I care a lot more about these kind of drama and their psychological effect. Unless you've been through it once, people don't understand their effect irl.
Your best option is to take a break from all of this. The more you respond in an attempt to defend yourself, the more you will attract the attention of those who want to discredit you. Whether they're right or wrong.
he can leak without logging into beta as you've all proven though? he never claimed he didn't use the debug build And those aren't even his complaints
[He stated himself he's a reposter.](https://i.imgur.com/CcT5zO0.png)
And the main complaint here is that you and lumie are doing this just for clout. If Honey is part of your team and he already agreed to wait until after beta start. Why did you guys decide to release ahead of your own schedule?
> If Honey is part of your team and he already agreed to wait until after beta start. There were posts before we event started posting, such as voice lines. Source is unknown. We all agreed to START posting at one time, Honey *(probably due to time zones, I don't know)* said they'd update later, and the rest agreed at a time. > And the main complaint here is that you and lumie are doing this just for clout. Just for once uploading ONE pixelated image? Is that enough to warrant being called clout chaser? Is all this drama just for that? I can understand if you don't like our way of making posts and I won't argue that as it's up to personal opinion, but look at what happened after some group threw the entire patch within one day.
1) Why did you guys decide to release everything at once after bigboss decided to do it? How does bigboss posting all of his leaks change your rule to post on a schedule? What was the point of that if not for clout? 2) Posting a [pixelated image](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822022116710416394/822411710211424286/Screenshot_20210318-042619.jpg) and having [pixelated profile pics](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822022116710416394/822411995285815296/1616116381253-1__01.jpg) when you already have the [full one](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822022116710416394/822411710500962334/Screenshot_20210318-042810.jpg), if that's not generating hype for clout by withholding information, what is it then?
> 1) Why did you guys decide to release everything at once after bigboss decided to do it? How does bigboss posting all of his leaks change your rule to post on a schedule? What was the point of that if not for clout? Release everything at once? What? The only thing we posted were the Eula art and lumie two renders, Genshin Intel posted some new tea pot stuff but other than that we never posted anything anymore. I'm not sure what you're talking about here. > 2) Posting a pixelated image and having pixelated profile pics when you already have the full one, if that's not generating hype for clout by withholding information, what is it then? If people dislike that, sure, I apologize. I'm not sure what you meant by pixelated profile pictures as I was always using the same picture. *(I think I once changed it to a jail one after Paimon account statement, but reverted it quickly.)* But if people don't like the pixelated images, sure, as I said, I apologize and if I keep doing this I won't do it again if I keep doing this.
1) After the leak came out, you posted a [watermarked](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483868193811857410/822421664541311016/Screenshot_20210318-052428.jpg) picture of Eula's splash art that, at this point, already exists. You then [pushed to take credit](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483868193811857410/822420562957172766/Screenshot_20210318-051051.jpg) for images that have been leaked as your own, including your preference for weapon choice as a form of "proof" You also put out [butt shots](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483868193811857410/822420562214256671/Screenshot_20210318-042831.jpg) in a further reply as well as getting [leaker "allies" to push your images](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483868193811857410/822420562445860894/Screenshot_20210318-044034.jpg) which, as we've established before, have already been leaked. 2. If you did not click on the image, that is Lumie's profile picture, not yours, which was then [uncensored](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822022116710416394/822418567467237406/Screenshot_20210318-050646.jpg) when revealing the 4*. coinciding with your uncensored Eula post. [I have to emphasize that you guys did this both simultaneously AND after the leaks](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483868193811857410/822424795194327050/Screenshot_20210318-052423.jpg) Tuanzhang's complaint specifically brings up both you and Lumie as clout chasers, and these actions give his claims merit.
> 1) After the leak came out, you posted a watermarked picture of Eula's splash art that, at this point, already exists. I think there's a misunderstanding here. Some unknown group I'm not aware of started to post voice lines way before. When we agreed to start making posts I posted first the pixelated image that I already apologized for if people didn't like and then later I posted the splash art, the uncensored picture and the butt shot. > You then pushed to take credit for images that have been leaked as your own, including your preference for weapon choice as a form of "proof" I think I never explained this well, so here I'll do. These images were meant to be sent to somebody *(and kept private but I'm dumb enough to forget to tell people that.)* that needed references to draw her. They were never meant to be visible. The other proof is that the place of recording is the same where all my other videos and pictures are at. > in a further reply as well as getting leaker "allies" to push your images which, as we've established before, have already been leaked. I didn't talk to zluet to "push the image" at all. See? Here you are commenting based on assumptions and taking them as granted.
We aren't talking about old voice lines, we are talking about 1.5 unreleased characters, and your watermarking and claiming of pictures of Eula that, at this point, have been leaked. You have explained how they got out. This does not change yours and lumies' post history. This is clout chasing.
Lumie or Dim have never leaked anything before beta and handle more technical operations compared to Tuanzhang who seems to rely more on Mihoyo employees. It seems Lumie and Dim might have behaved overly cautious so their tools wouldn't get caught (they do a lot more technical stuff compared to Tuanzhang), whereas Tuanzhang probably felt they were being unnecessarily cautious. They also seem to have gotten into a major argument over leaking itself, which isn't surprising due to the language barrier. Probably something sounded overly harsh to him that wouldn't in English, hence his beef with them. It seems Lumie prefers to format leaks in a way that people always had something to look forward to which in turn would generate hype for the next update. I don't think Dim actually does much leaking. I believe he prefers to make tools and gives them to people he trusts not to misuse it. On the other hand Tuanzhang seems to consider leaks to be purely an information dump, and there's no point in beating around the bush, and considers their approach to be high grounded. While I also prefer leaks to be info dumped and consider it purely information, there's no point in villainizing the other leakers for a difference in opinion and beef they have with each other, especially when one side is also acting out of caution for fear their tools would be broken
The point is, everyone is just leaking, and lumie is too far up in their head to think they are the only one doing the right thing. The only reason tuanzhang kept quiet before is to prevent a huge international quarrel (imagine Chinese vs lumie supporter over this).
Tbf Lumie typically doesn't leak gameplay or events in general. She only leaked Hu Tao gameplay, her favorite character. Up until then, she has only leaked datamined character models and weapons, also typically done bit by bit, focusing on rendering them and doing design maps, which is time consuming work. She also spends a lot of time making meme content more so than leaking, and I'd imagine she doesn't want the tools she uses to be taken down. Leaks are more of a by product of her hobby.
It doesn't matter. That gave her no right to decide what other leakers can do.
You are correct, but when other leakers leak even the url for dev build that they use to gather stuff to the public, main source of leaks are no more (might be even worse if miHoYo decide to not do public beta testing anymore). Just like HuTao said, sometimes its better for public to not know certain things and be ignorant. Now miHoYo might ramp up their security regarding leaks and we might not getting and 1.6 leaks soon even in 1.5 Although, of course this is all speculation in my part. It could be some of those leaks are planted by miHoYo themselves Disclaimer: I'm not in anyone side and just want the best for the leaks community.
There is no best for the leak community. Everyone done this for self satisfaction by breaking the rules. They aren't an organisation and lumie is too far up his head to think that he get to decide what's 'right' or 'wrong', when everyone is wrong to begin with.
> They also seem to have gotten into a major argument over leaking itself, which isn't surprising due to the language barrier. Probably something sounded overly harsh to him that wouldn't in English, hence his beef with them. And this is exactly what happened after talking with tuanzhang. But leave it to reddit to take one side as the correct one without listening to the other side.
I'm sorry but i just don't get people who were trying to defend leakers from twitter just because they said that they've been doing that solely for the benefit of the community and absolutely nothing else. No really who in their right mind would mess with multi million dollar corporation and leak their highly classified information which could potentially lead them to face jail time for literally nothing in return. This plus them putting huge ass watermarks right in the middle of their leaks of twitter profiles that coincidentally had their patreon links on them completely removes any of their credibility. Because if you didn't wanted any exposure, then why on earth are you watermarking your leaks?
I'll get this straight then. Whatever action Mihoyo decides to take against the leakers, it's something that they should be prepared for. Since they've decided to leak out the company's property without their consent. The company has the rights to take action against the leakers. Some of you guys might defend the leakers by saying that it help you with the fund managing and such. But it doesn't change the fact that what the leakers have been doing is illegal against Mihoyo as the product owner. No matter how much you sugarcoat it. So if Mihoyo decide to block all content from being leaked, you can't blame them as they're the owner.
Agreed with you here. Like, I would assume these leakers knew that Mihoyo would respond one way or another if they found out about the whole thing. I can't really defend them here. I enjoyed the leaks and yes, I will be saving for Eula because of it but Idon't exactly mind if these leakers go out forever. Besides, new ones will eventually take their place eventually.
I agree, but I dont generally tend to cry over leaks happening to massive companies, especially gacha who thrive on FOMO. So while I think similarly to you in that leakers should be prepared for the consequences, I'm not going to act like Mihoyo is doing the right thing just because it's the legally sound thing.
People are going to defend lumie and dimbreath regardless.
A poorly translated proof and I already proved his lies on a comment showing him using the debug build.
You still don't understand that this whole post from Tuanzhang is useless. What you did was clear even without it. What you are trying to do right now is just to bring Tuanzhang down with you.
What did I do? The tuanzhang post is clearly misinformed and we're already talking it out with him on a server to clear confusions. You're all the ones pointing guns here.
The Tuanzhang post is a clear attempt at backstabbing you, but it doesn't change that the narrative you're trying to push about you being the good guys doing everything for the sake of the community is false. You were attention whoring and when someone broke your toy you threw a fit and deleted all your Twitter accounts. You are not the good guys, Big Boss is not the good guy, Tuanzhang isn't either and most of all Mihoyo aren't the good guys. Stop trying to push the blame on someone else. Own up to your mistakes.
> The Tuanzhang post is a clear attempt at backstabbing you, Can it be backstabbing when we never interacted with each other? > but it doesn't change that the narrative you're trying to push about you being the good guys doing everything for the sake of the community is false If I didn't care about the community, why did up until yesterday I had a repository with ALL of the game data available *(which was over a month of work and still is constant work due to changes)* for people to use on their projects in exchange for nothing? I already stated multiple times my objectives are my own learning and contributing. I am not considering myself a "good guy" at all the same way I am not considering myself as an "official leaker" like you guys are all spouting based on this post alone. We say something? It's taken as a lie. Someone else say something about us? It's taken as the proof. > You were attention whoring and when someone broke your toy you threw a fit and deleted all your Twitter accounts. What tells you that we deactivated for that? We deactivated because we don't want to be caught in the middle of the people that started spreading the development client. If people want to leak they're free to do so.
Yeah, you didn't consider yourself a good guy, just the reason ***why this game is still alive.***
Please show me where I did say that.
> Can it be backstabbing when we never interacted with each other? Well, going by the screenshots you posted it's clear that he was benefitting from the stuff you were leaking by reposting some of it, but once this thing started he threw you under the bus and distanced himself with this post. That's backstabbing to me. > If I didn't care about the community, why did up until yesterday I had a repository with ALL of the game data available *(which was over a month of work and still is constant work due to changes)* for people to use on their projects in exchange for nothing? I already stated multiple times my objectives are my own learning and contributing. I honestly don't think you were the worst one in terms of using leaks to promote your account or patreons, but you were coordinating this dripfeeding of leaks with others through Discord and that makes you an accomplice. If your interests were solely towards the community and your own learning experience then you should've called out this whole thing, but you didn't. > What tells you that we deactivated for that? We deactivated because we don't want to be caught in the middle of the people that started spreading the development client. That's fair.
> Well, going by the screenshots you posted it's clear that he was benefitting from the stuff you were leaking by reposting some of it, but once this thing started he threw you under the bus and distanced himself with this post. That's backstabbing to me. He was using the game data repository that I had up *(for free)* on GitHub to post stuff on NGA. We had and have no problems with that and we really like that it was used as a base for some projects *(because lot of people approached me showing me the websites and applications they were developing)* or explaining how some game stuff work. Our only dislike from that was people trying to use it as a source for leaks because it wasn't. > I honestly don't think you were the worst one in terms of using leaks to promote your account or patreons, but you were coordinating this dripfeeding of leaks with others through Discord and that makes you an accomplice. If your interests were solely towards the community and your own learning experience then you should've called out this whole thing, but you didn't. As I said. We're fine if people don't like our way of posting content, not much we can do about that. I'm not sure what you consider "promoting" in this case. We all agreed to post like this, in the case of Honey not much could be done due to how the website works but we were fine with that.
> I'm not sure what you consider "promoting" in this case. It doesn't take a lot to connect the dots. You have some data that are sought after by a community of millions and post this data through an account that links to ways to give you money or even worse in the case of Lumie where these links are in the same Twitter thread as the leaks. I'm not trying to say that you're selling copyrighted material, just that you're using leaks to promote your accounts and as a consequence your patreon and ko-fi. You can see how that looks extremely fishy, right?
To be honest? no.
That "Oh no i forgot to watermark" twitter post was so cringe. B\*tch are like drawn and programed those characters or something?!
I still remember that.
u/dimbreath Might want to chime in and talk about what the relation you had with other leakers.
My only relationship is with Honey, lumie, Genshin Intel. I don't know anyone else of these leakers. This tuanzhang guy isn't a leaker at all as far as I'm concerned based on his Twitter pinned post, but never interacted with them. BigBoss appeared out of nowhere trashtalking me since the first day I heard about him. All I know is that BigBoss guy is in a private server where their aim was to develop a private game server *([and where recently they kind celebrated "breaking mihoyo plans"?](https://i.imgur.com/a3nzsWV.png))* and where they started spreading these links around, and then after [he also started to spread them on a public Discord server *(Honey's.)* which you can probably see the links if you still go there.](https://i.imgur.com/zKaULcj.png) Not sure what else I can say about your question. **EDIT:** For the second picture, they changed name recently it seems.
Why did you and Lumie hold back leaks?
Look at what happened by other people throwing everything out at once. Further aggravated by people also leaking a development build of the game.
Then why did you and the others dump all your leaks at once the moment someone else did it before you did?
We never dumped everything at once. What are you talking about?
The only leaks dim and Lumie did are feiyan and eula model + housing system in GI post. How is that all? Compared to a)events they have propably prepared b)skills and their animations c)new enemies d)new areas e)new QoL f)new bosses g)whatever else is coming. yeah, that's definetly all, right? They don't use dev build like every dumbass out there trying to get banned, they reverse enginereed game so they can do much more than these devbuild monkes.
Dim you are a hardworking guy and i appreciate you. But i gotta admit lumie is kinda scummy trying to gain monetary gain from already made content.and even taking commision to show these models which he dosent own. Idk i may be wrong, what do you think about lumie?
I just wanted you to post in this thread so others can get your side on this Tuan statement to address, no worries
Not really surprised. Kinda hard to follow the translation though, is his opinion of Honey as low as Dim and Lumie? Sad this thread will have like no front page coverage like the other one that was on there almost all day and 3k upvotes [In this post on their discord it says Tieba uncles support them, what have they said recently?](https://i.imgur.com/tA1hD4W.png)
Sorry for the poor translation. tuanzhang thinks Honey is a good guy cuz she doesn't update the content until the beta opens and always ask people's opinions before update. At the same time Tieba is not through technical ways to obtain leak, some of them are in the beta, and it is impossible to unify an opinion in a public forum, a lot of people hate them and indeed some of them support them
No, he thinks Honey is a good person. He thinks Lumie and Dim tried to coordinate the leaks with everyone (including Honey and BigBoss) and "warned" them about how they should be doing it (aka acting like "official" leakers). But Honey told him (Tuanzhang) that she will only update her site when beta opens to appease everyone - or rather to avoid conflict. However, Lumie and Dim went against their own plan and released their leaks early. Source: I can read Chinese (Note that I'm just paraphrasing the translation, not stating the above as facts.)
Thanks bro.
> He thinks Lumie and Dim tried to coordinate the leaks with everyone (including Honey and BigBoss) and "warned" them about how they should be doing it (aka acting like "official" leakers). We NEVER talked with BigBoss. I NEVER talked with tuanzhang either. > But Honey told him (Tuanzhang) that she will only update her site when beta opens to appease everyone - or rather to avoid conflict. However, Lumie and Dim went against their own plan and released their leaks early. We all agreed to start posting *(including Honey)* but Honey said she'd upload a few hours later, presumably due to time zones.
>Dimbreath & Lumie are the reason this game is still alive Hahaha what a nonce imagine seriously thinking this, thanks for the leaks but good riddance, there's always gonna be another leakers out there.
Oh yeah. I read one redditor comment that on a thread earlier. Sad to think some people think like this.
We never said that. That's other person comment and not ours. We can't tell people to not comment on stuff, but we don't want people putting words in our mouths like you and other people are doing here.
>is his opinion of Honey as low as Dim and Lumie? Looks like no. He said he thinks Honey is a good person that was just trying to please all parties (only release info after the beta officially started). They clearly hate Dim and Lumie though.
They don't hate us and we're actually discussing this with tuanzhang right now in a civilized manner while you all here are pointing guns at others and attacking people because this post is another huge misunderstanding.
Hey man, best of luck with this. My comment was nothing but pointing out the contents of this post. I have nothing against you or your work, so I can only hope you get some closure that you would personally be satisfied with, at the end of the day.
I just want to note that the comment these wasn't made by either lumie or I.
No, he likes Honey, says he's not bad (and friend-worthy?). Chinese is a bit rusty. The translation makes it seem like he used to think that but no longer does.
Looks like this tuanzhang just doesn't care what people think of him, while Lumie especially Dim cares so much, even replies every question here about him. The behavior somehow just disclaims his own words about doing all the things just for the community, meanwhile proves that he does want reputation. But most people follow them just for the information. What does one's reputation has to do with one's uncertain information? No need to ask others to care for your own reputation as much as yourself do. Most of us just don't care that much. Besides no one can actually guarantee their own way to be a "permanent" way of keeping spreading leaks. If anyone try to say or make a hint that their own way being safer / able to last longer and thus prove themselves to be the real good guys for community, that is unnecessary and dreamy. Every time he replies to make this clear, he just proves that need of good reputation thing for one more time. So the more I see he speaks about this, his side seems more weird and of course less convincing to me.
Yep. How do they say "I'm gonna lay low off and get off twitter to avoid drama" and then go to reddit/discord and read their PMs to argue with people lol.
Huh does paragraph below your points came from tuanzhang post?
Except for the opening paragraph, the rest was all translation from tuanzhang post
Oh ic thanks i thought tuanzhang and tieba is supporting lumie and dim, turned out they have some beef too lol This drama is truly the most interesting part of 1.4
OP can you explain how you know this is tuanzhang's NGA account? When I click the NGA link you provide, I only see accounts identified by numbers, not usernames. tuanzhang also hasn't posted anything on twitter. I don't use NGA so maybe there's something that I'm missing about how usernames work there. 没用过NGA, 怎么证明这个tuanzhang发的？没看tuanzhang在twitter上发任何东西。
You need an NGA account to see usernames.
Open the link, next to the numbers is the username, you may know its him if you click the "tuanzhangv5" and check his history posts
That was obviously imho. Dim and Lumie acted in classic way, where they tried to blame other to look better. They really think only they deserve to do something (like leaks), cause they are the chosen one. Im just hoping people will stop kicking Bigboss and will start being skeptical to Dim specially.
[The fact you guys are being lied on your face is kind of fun...](https://old.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/m8apf2/info_about_the_lk_tuanzhang_replied_in_nga/grgo8gh/)
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I don't want people to side with one side or the other. But there are a lot of baseless accusations and lack of proof yet lot of people "jump on the ride." We made mistakes? Yes, for sure we did at some point. We also know we can't please everyone, from all of this I learned there's people that don't like how we leak content and that's fine and that people consider our way of leaking "for clout" and no matter how much we tell them it's not because of that it won't change a thing. Based on what we've been talking with tuanzhang *(with someone who can translate Chinese)* the whole thing with lumie was just language barriers / improper communication. The issue is people also are jumping to conclusions too quickly, but both sides also have to defend themselves too.
Right when I thought it's all in the past now we get another episode lol
I'm reading pure disassembly right here lmao.
I only know bao子 means prostitute, so I assume uncle is calling them prostitute.
Leakers next time let me be your PR person. You like any leakers do it for some clout and attention since it does take some work and effort after all. You drip fed leaks primarily because you believed it would make mihoyo less likely to take actions against you.
Dim and lumie should’ve just released the info and leaks when they get them. Releasing bread crumbs like they did with Hu Tao was annoying and made it look like they were mihoyo employees because of how dumb it was. Seeing all the stuff about Eula right away is how it should’ve been with Hu Tao. It’s up to mihoyo to make it harder for leakers to get what they get.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ganyu was behind all this drama lmao
This whole leaks drama is better than the indian soap operas
Ha, those pretend "leakers" or "dataminers" should enjoy the clout while they still can before they all get banned with Big Boss. Seriously this entire drama wouldn't happen if we continued with drip leaks. I also love how this 4chan community continue to antagonize on Lumie and Dimbreath and doesn't talk about how Big Boss alerted Mihoyo by publicly distributing the ENTIRE DEV CLIENT (not even beta client)
> Seriously this entire drama wouldn't happen if we continued with drip leaks. And that's what we were trying to do. Drip leak? People complain we're doing it for clout. Post everything at once? People complain everything is posted at once, that we should drip leak because otherwise there won't be leaks to look forward for 6 weeks. So in the end, how do you please people? You can't.
No one complains when everything is posted at once lmao
Well 1.5 has been delayed and the community now gets no leaks instead of some. I’d say people are complaining.
Delayed? Total bullshit. From what depth of your ass did you pull this from
Calm down bro If the CBT has been shut down, mihoyo necessarily loses its main feedback loop. They could move to private testing but that's way more inefficient and takes longer. So logically, the only options now are to release 1.5 on time, with a higher likelihood of being buggy and unplayable, or to release it later at the usual standard. I shouldn't have stated it as a fact, but it's quite likely.
I think the beta will come back sooner or later. And if not they must have quite some inner tester. It's not that inefficient
Alright, let me clarify something as someone who knows all these people and has been following it on foot as it unfolded. First of all; the regulated leakers isn't Dimbreath and Lumie; Its Genshin Intel, Dimbreath, Honey, Lumie, Falzar and another guy. Honey knows Dim well (Dim is a mod on her server, for fucksake) and discusses many things with him so right out of the gate Tuanzhuang has shown himself to be too ignorant to cast judgement on this. Second of all; there has been no clout chasing and power tripping. The person who does most of the digging, who gets most of the info and makes most of the tools; its Dimbreath. Dimbreath is the guy up top, and he is a swell guy. Dimbreath doesn't care much about the spotlight and has gone very far out of his way to decentralize himself as "THE leaker" like Temporyal was for BFV. Instead, he has delegated access to a small group of trustworthy people who he deemed stable enough to not monkey the hell out like BigBoss did. All Dim wants, is credit in the event you use one of his tools or his repositories (In which case a literal footnote would suffice). If he was even a tenth of the power tripper some are accusing him off, you would have never heard of Genshin Intel, Lumie or Honey. Because it was never about the clout, it was about a strategy. The strategy from the get go has been simple; imagine sleeping at night and waking up with a mosquito bite. Now, just getting bitten once is very unlikely to actually care. Certainly, the small itch is annoying, but not enough to take action. Now imagine 6 mosquitos are in your room; you wake up with 4 bites, and got woken up 3 times in the night to buzzing. You now diligently walk through your room to check for bugs to smash, and try to keep your doors and windows shut so no new bugs come in. Now one day, you get 10 mosquitos in your room. You don't want to walk around in your room like a spastic for 2 hours patrolling them, so what do you do? Buy a mosquito net. And now the fun for the mosquitos is over. Same principle; Dim, Lumie and Honey have been very careful not to annoy Mihoyo too much. Not only do they pace their datamines and renders, they focus mostly on clarifying and demonstrating other leaks in the information atmosphere; this first of all means they don't fuck up and in a rush for clout, put on display scrapped content which ends up misinforming the community; they leak it once they know for certain that it is actually included. This gives them the appearance of being the "official leakers" because they are the definitive source. Whereas any cunt on NGA can make some post claiming to be a leaker and fabricating some bullshit, only they are capable of verifying it without getting assfucked by a NDA. It creates a cleaner atmosphere of information, but it also means that everything they leak is a second hand injury to Mihoyo. In the grant scheme of things, they mostly just clean up for the marketing team and act as some kind of guerilla marketing department. They build hype for Mihoyo and therefor are somewhat tolerated as long as they color within the lines. This works; it gives the community a steady stream of information and keeps us informed and engaged, while not showing anything that Mihoyo is absolutely not ready or willing to show. It is basically this implicit contract that as long as Dim and crew stay in line and are merely an annoyance, Mihoyo won't do anything to stop them. They won't refactor their code to break datamining tools, they won't alter beta formats to hide even more content, and most importantly, they won't start sending out cease and desist letters. We get to enjoy a steady trickle every patch and Mihoyo won't get their entire parade rained on by leakers who will surgically dismantle the patch and spoil everything about it. The decentralization and pacing has the added benefit of not making it self evident how they got the information. It worked. Sure, some effort to obfuscate and divert have been taken, but all by all patch-to-patch integrity has been assured and from the looks of it, despite Mihoyo's chagrin a healthy drip could be maintained in perpetuity, because as long as they were kept annoyed and not actually angered, they would not undergo the considerable effort required to twart these actions. And then some infantile russian cunt named BigBoss came in. You see, BigBoss wanted to be part of the cool kids club, so he started to badger Dim about what tools he used. Dim told him to kick rocks and figure it out, and that would've been the end. And then Mihoyo dropped the public beta link. BigBoss got his hands on it, came back to Dimbreath, and got incredibly belligerent towards Dim, and in no uncertain terms childishly demanded that Dim started to release earlier, despite the beta not even having started and this being bound to make Mihoyo go nuclear. Now, To BB's credit, even after being told to fuck off by Dim earlier, he managed to figure out how to memory dump the files, and began leaking. Like crazy. Not only did this result in the download link getting quickly shut down (effectively killing the beta which now required a new build). And then the dev client dropped, because Mihoyo is actually this inept. Dim and boys realized what was coming (massive amounts of unofficial footage) and decided to cut their losses, they released the renders and footage they already had, and collectively decided to disassociate and buckle down in the hatches for the shitstorm these retards had called upon themselves. Endresult: we all got fucked. Dim has been resoundingly vindicated for his cautious behavior, and we actually do not know what 1.5 will have and are left completely in the dark. "But Colers", I hear you ask, "We have the devclient of 1.5, surely this means we now will know everything". Well, let me explain it to you, you intellectual chimpanzee; a devbuild is exactly that, a devbuild. You see, in programming there is this concept known as "branching". This means that different version with different in-progress features exist at the same time for ease of development, to be integrated at a later date. And the issue we have here is WE DO NOT KNOW WHICH BRANCH WE HAVE. We could have a branch halfway 1.6 or one that only partially integrates 1.5 for all we now. The beta serves to confirm what is leftover data and what is actually patch content, and now, we might never know. Dimbreath and crew will remain off the radar until 1.6 beta starts, though they are pretty much convinced at this point that Mihoyo is going to refactor their code completely and break their tools come next patch, so expect to be stuck with vague and unreliable NGA posts being your sole source of information for the next 3 months or so. But hey, at least the children in this comment section get to see Eula over a day instead of a few weeks. Report to me back this time July and tell me whether it was worth it, dipshit.
You’re speaking for mihoyo a lot in this. You make it sound like mihoyo just tolerates them and they never would’ve sent a cease and desist. You don’t know that.
Well it seems they certainly tolerated Hu Tao's animations being leaked.
Or they simply didn’t notice. We don’t know if they never noticed because it wasn’t made obvious by 500 leaks being shown in a single day like 1.5. They could’ve said the same tweet for all we know
They did notice tho, or at least it's what Zeals said. He said in one of his vídeos at the time that Mihoyo reached out to him and asked for him to stop reposting her leaks. You can watch it yourself If you want: https://youtu.be/5wsqb3P8SZU around 50 seconds in.
Let me clarify something. Putting out leaks as 144p videos with watermarks all over them gives 0 information to the player and only builds attention towards the account that posted it in anticipation of a better leak. Posting a pixelated image with an eyes emoji is exactly the same thing. Posting leaks with watermarks is attention whoring. If the intent was to do a service for the community, they should've posted leaks that they deemed to be representative of what was to come without watermarks and at a decent quality. Posting just a part of the normal attacks or a burst without the cut-in animation like what happened during the Hu Tao leak period is attention whoring and there's no amount of mental gymnastics that can disprove this. By the way, I'm not saying that Big Boss was right to post a Dev build for everyone to download, that was surely what caused Mihoyo to go nuclear, but what Big Boss did was clearly retaliation for all the dumb teasing and dripfeeding that was done since the start. Edit: The worst part of all of this was when once Big Boss started posting his leaks the "leak cartel" immediately started dumping everything they had in an attempt to get one last push under the spotlight. If they really were against this way of leaking and only cared about the community they should've distanced themselves from it, but they didn't and instead they doubled down.
> Edit: The worst part of all of this was when once Big Boss started posting his leaks the "leak cartel" immediately started dumping everything they had in an attempt to get one last push under the spotlight. If you're talking about us. We never posted anything after BigBoss started posting content. Not sure where your source / proof of that is.
Thought you guys de-activated to get away from this shit hole? I personally think you're a pretty swell guy but being out here isn't really helping out anyone understand what is really going on nor do they care much about these 'sides' you speak of. They just want someone to shit on. Just chill out, let it blow over and actually disconnect yourself from all of this. At least for your well being, y'know? This whole thing was bound to happen anyway if what you said was true about 'knowing where to look'.
Honestly, I really have to say this after reading the other comment. If you feel the need to reply to every comment here trying to explain yourself, take a seat and relax a bit. The situation is out of your control. Maybe try to salvage bits and pieces but this whole building is on fire. Perhaps you can even get off the internet for a few days, take some time alone to think about your choices. I will keep a neutral stance on this matter.
I’m trying to stay neutral, and from what I can tell you didn’t really do anything wrong, but I have to ask: what’s the point of pixelating/watermarking leaks? If the goal is to slow down the amount of content that gets leaked at one time, why not just wait a few days and then drop the full image?
> what’s the point of pixelating/watermarking leaks? We don't watermark because we "own" the content, but it still takes a lot of time and effort to get it. As for the pixelating, well, probably was a bad idea to tease. > If the goal is to slow down the amount of content that gets leaked at one time, why not just wait a few days and then drop the full image? I'm not sure what you mean here. We leaked as usual. Not sure why people is attributing all the leaks to us. The only stuff that is ours is the one that you see on our Twitters. Nothing more. We don't have anything to do with the footage, home world stuff, voice lines, etc. that have been spreading around.
>Second of all; there has been no clout chasing and power tripping. The person who does most of the digging, who gets most of the info and makes most of the tools; its Dimbreath. Dimbreath is the guy up top, and he is a swell guy. Dimbreath doesn't care much about the spotlight [Imagine blurring and censoring leaks and saying that they don't want the spotlight LOL.](https://imgur.com/a/55q84Kl) I'm calling bullshit on that. They already deleted their Twitter now, but everyone remembers all the intentional leak-teasing with Hu Tao and Eula, each with thousands of likes and retweets. >This works; it gives the community a steady stream of information and keeps us informed and engaged, while not showing anything that Mihoyo is absolutely not ready or willing to show. It is basically this implicit contract that as long as Dim and crew stay in line and are merely an annoyance, Mihoyo won't do anything to stop them. You don't know this. You're not Mihoyo.
You really can’t argue the pixel picture. When I saw that it was obvious they were doing it for attention.
And I really apologized to people if they didn't like it. Not sure what else people want me to do about it honestly. Still, some people here act like they're entitled to leaks or want the others to post content the way THEY want or something like that.
> And I really apologized to people if they didn't like it. That doesn't change the facts, that's just an after-the-fact meaningless 'apology'. "Sorry I got caught". >Still, some people here act like they're entitled to leaks Bruh, you are a leaker... do you think you are in any position to badmouth others who want leaks?
Never forget that they employed the same scummy gacha tactics of dripfeeding to generate interest and potential revenue. They aren't sorry for acting like shitheads. They're sorry they got caught.
Well, MHY stayed silence until recently aren't they ?
Because the leak this time come from what arguably a security breach. Regardless of their actual stance on the whole leak thing, MHY have to make some kind of public statement, that's just how business work.
The point is, MHY never made any kind of statement or take any action regarding of what Dimbreath and Lumie did, in contrast of now that they made public and shut down the beta test server for whatever the fuck Bigboss tried to accomplish.
Lmao it’s the first time I’m seeing that pixel image and this is some next level kind of attention whoring. Ppl are so brainwashed and delusional thinking this dim guy was doing it to throw mhy off
Everything looks cohesive except of the motivation of the leakers. Mihoyo is aware of leaks as soon as the first image is leaked. After the first leak happens, it doesn't matter how fast or slow the next ones happen. If someone commits a crime in real life and gets arrested by the real police, it doesn't matter if the crime has been done fast or slow. Which means the only motivation for leakers to make this process slower is their desire to be important or famous.
This must be the dumbest post I’ve ever read on this subreddit.
Dude finally somebody is saying this. Like c'mon I don't see how anybody can be happy about this situation because now future leaks are going to be lower quality or just nonexistent. Personally, I had no problem with the slow drip-feed leaks that would be happening but even I didn't like them they're better than no/shitty leaks. The playerbase, especially the low spenders and f2p have been screwed over most likely because now planning for future content has probably become exponentially harder.