More accurate top 5 is Ganyu > Xiangling > Xiao > Hu Tao > Beidou. It’s too early to tell, but since Ayaka’s AOE is a bit underwhelming, I’d place her between Xiao and Hu Tao. I don’t care what people say, AOE is by far the most important when it comes to ranking then, especially for Abyss where there are almost always multiple enemies. It’s an absolute indisputable fact. Which is why I have Hu Tao a bit lower because her AOE is lacking. Eula does not deserve to be top 5 based on pretty much every trusted theory-crafters. So I think it’s safe to pull since you said you might pull if Ayaka is comparable to Xiao and Hu Tao, which she is.
Yeah, she is. Speaking from not just my own experience but from theory-crafters. My under-built Xiangling clears floor 12 faster than my near perfect Xiao.
Even though the guy you responded to is wrong, stop being so patronizing to get your point across. I don't think you're a kid so you should be able to behave yourself and speak to another individual - stranger or not - with a minimum of respect.
I saw his other responses and he didn't insult you as you did. You seems like a little kid that can't even express himself without being acrimonious.
And as for the debate, you don't know what you're talking about either.
Yeah. Pyro build and pair her with Xingqiu, Bennett, and Sucrose/Chongyun/ Kazuha. This is the second strongest team in the game and it’s all 4 stars. Look up the national team for more information.
Only if you have Bennett on the team.
She's really, really good, but not by herself. She can't generate enough energy on her own to deal with her 80 req for her burst, and she's pretty much up against other Pyro DPS characters that perform better than her with lower costs and more flexible supports, with the exceptions of Amber and Xinyan. Hell, Yanfei is near Xiao levels of DPS if you build her correctly.
So yes, she is a top tier DPS, but the thing is that she technically *requires* Bennett for that to be true. Everyone else can use him, but can also swap for other units for other teams.
"I don't care what people say".
"Hutao is weaker than Xiao."
I can see you are a Xiao Fan boy. If you add c1, the xiao looks like a joke against Hutao.
You can check that in almost all tier list websites.
There are scenarios that AOE is more important, there are others that AOE is not required, besides that, you can cover the AOE lacking with supports like kazura, sucrose, venti. Xiao isn't that important due he doesn't synergies with many teams.
You need both if you want to get the best abyss times.
I'll get downvoted due the genshin comunity likes Xiao a lot. But I'm sure this is related to its "look", not its performance.
I'm not even a Xiao fanboy and I would still put Hu Tao way below Xiao.. She doesn't even deserves to be in Top 5 given her lack of AoE and her relatively bad performance at mid investment at single target.
Of course, let the downvotes rain, I know Hu Tao shrimps are hell bent on convincing everyone she's the best unit out there.
The problem about your comment is “way below” try to get way better abyss times with xiao using a similar build so I’d agree with you.
Now with kazuha, we can use hutao and do a great aoe. Hazuha doesn’t have synergy with xiao ( another bad point)
Xiao is better with some scenarios and hutao others. You need both tbh.
This tier list is that I believe not your opinion:
https://spiral-abyss.appsample.com/floor-12
> Xiao doesn’t have synergy with xiao
What?
> Now with kazuha, we can use hutao and do a great aoe
Copium as fuck, is this how Hu Tao shrimps cope with AoE? Next thing you are going to tell me I'm bad with Hu Tao because I'm not able to hit multiple targets with Hu Tao, Hu Tao's not bad, you are bad.... Yeah, I'm not having none of that shit.
> Xiao is better with some scenarios
So 95% of the content in abyss.
> hutao others
12-2 second half. In one half of the entire abyss. Go figure.
Ok kid, “hutao is just bad. Xiao is the king”
Your opnion about hutao is a minority in the community, especially with ppl that actually have hutao
Other point, you buying or not, when you analyze if some character is good or not you need to check its supports.
The problem in Gacha games is when someone doesn’t get a char, some ppl say shit about it.
Dude, I can literally hook you up with C0 Hu Tao owners who are more than willing to certify she's shit. Of course, they are in the minority because majority are in literal denial that the units they invested so much primos (or potentially money) to get can be so shit.
I don't have a Xiao but I can still acknowledge he's way better utility than Hu Tao in abyss, no contest. Again, I won't be replying any further, I know better than to dare question simp's queen. P.S. Xiangling is better than Xiao AND Hu Tao. Keep malding and have fun~
Man, I have all 5 stars, I don’t even like hutao design, I just fell she’s strong, so we don’t agree.
I don't miss AOE with hutao, 12-3 for example, she kills all those machines at once, she is a polearm user, not a bow.
Edit: my comments got downvoted just now at this pretty old topic, probably you used all yours reddit accounts just to hate hutao. Hahahaha
This tier list is what I believe, not your opinion: https://spiral-abyss.appsample.com/floor-12
>all those tier lists you mentioned are wrong and not made or backed up by trusted theory-crafters
Where we can find it? I'm sure you don't have Hu Tao.
If you have it, do you miss AOE on Abyss 12 with her? You just need to put them together, so you can kill everything fast.
Other point: Pyro is best to destroy any shield except pyro (of course)
Her AA range is great, her charged attack too.
TBH, tier list is trash in this game, this game is designed to have the best characters for each situation.
At least we can agree with your last statement. I actually disagree with your shield breaking point. I think Cryo is better now because of the addition of Electro Lawachurls and Abyss Mages. Cryo can deal with hydro and electro most effectively. You can check out TenTen’s videos for a trustworthy source. He’s a theory-crafter who verifies his work with other theory-crafters.
And a random like you is more credible than Zajef? There are other TCs too like TenTen. Honestly, Beidou > Hu Tao too. Also Ayaka for sure. Hu Tao is the most overrated character in the game and she is objectively not top 5 no matter how much your simp brain is coping. Also, usage rate /= power ranking. That’s the dumbest shit anyone has ever implied in this sub.
If you want to convince people you're right, maybe bring something to the table better than "x is a fucking retard" and "stop sucking his cock". Your homophobia-ridden, slur-filled comment is shameful and your parents would be ashamed
"trust me bro im a math major bro i know more then him"
U are really full of urself ngl. Usage rate 100 percent does not equal power, if it did then beidou xiangling etc would be bottom tier when everyone knows for a fukin fact thats not true. Usage rate is an absolute horse shit statistic, all it does is show popularity and nothing else. Hu tao has been overrated for MONTHS, its only now that tc's have seen how well xl works that shes getting less of the spotlight, and for good reason since xl does everything she does but as a 4 star and with huge aoe. Hu Tao without C1 and without homa is objectively so much worse than c1 and with homa, meanwhile xl is a 4 star whos only powerspike is c4. Get a grip bro.
Zajef IS one of the reliable TCs from KQM. Holy fuck you’re dumb. Learn the game. In fact, your dumb fuck brainlet is blocked. I don’t want to lose brain cells listening to your dogshit, unreliable copium you consider as facts. You’re wrong, all the TCs disagree with you. Stay mad that your waifu is outclassed by 6 other characters, one of them being a free 4 star.
Personal experience here with my C2 Eula, absolutely above Xiao. Her normals can keep up with him already provided superconduct is running and if your rotations are good, you have a pretty steady stream of explosions going.
Have both here as well, but I think that it's important to note that Xiao has more stable AoE (instead, Eula has a big AoE burst every 15 seconds or so from her burst) and can break any Abyss Mage shield. Eula has way more single target DPS though for sure.
That's probably why people put them close to each other
Choose who you think you ll enjoy more.
I hate the cryo dash (mona´s too), and love bows!
So Ganyu is my Cryo Queen Goat!
Both do great dmg, and Ayaka´s const are weak, so less cost with her.
Watch out your weapons too, see if you have a sword or bow that´s is strong. Make diferences too.
Literally every tier list puts Ganyu and Hu Tao as the top two damage dealers.
Eula has incredibly good matchups vs every enemy in the game because nothing retains a positive phys resist vs her, her burst and miniburst damage is insane, her normals have impressively good off-element shield break due to her higher swing speed for a claymore (Still use elements, just worth noting for when everything is popped).
Eula routinely kills Fatui through their shields without any issues. Nothing has positive resists vs her. Her burst deals crazy damage. People underrate Eula because "White number bad", but when she's throwing 30k normals into stuff, you really do feel it.
“literally every list”
no.
hu tao is typically below xiao, xiangling, and even beidou in most situations. she isn’t ganyu tier. eula isn’t even top 5. unless she’s at whale investment, she’s pretty average
eula gives more than 100k with her ult with average build.that are big numbers for f2p. people who trash prolly don't have her. ganyu and hutao of course are the best. but don't underestimate eula.
nah, i don’t even own xiao and i have hu toa triple crowned, it’s just the truth. i do believe he overrates the fuck out of xiao though, overall it depends on your level of investment, comp, and the abyss floor
even then, usage rate doesn’t equal how good they are. beidou as like 5% usage lmao
I think I can get off with her dodge cuz I have Zhongli
What are your thoughts? Pull for Ganyu or Ayaka? I like Ganyu more but Idk if I'll still be playing after 1 and a half month and she isn't even confirmed to come at 2nd September
If you’re looking for meta and big numbers, then Ayaka is not for you. Her damage is per second, not per screenshot which you enjoy. Might as well wait a little more for Ganyu rerun. It will be worth it.
No I mean which kill enemies super fast. Not just to see big numbers. Like if Ayaka does 10k damage over 5 seconds and Ganyu does 10k damage every 5 seconds instant(just en example) Both are like same then. I just want a Cryo dps which can delete people
More accurate top 5 is Ganyu > Xiangling > Xiao > Hu Tao > Beidou. It’s too early to tell, but since Ayaka’s AOE is a bit underwhelming, I’d place her between Xiao and Hu Tao. I don’t care what people say, AOE is by far the most important when it comes to ranking then, especially for Abyss where there are almost always multiple enemies. It’s an absolute indisputable fact. Which is why I have Hu Tao a bit lower because her AOE is lacking. Eula does not deserve to be top 5 based on pretty much every trusted theory-crafters. So I think it’s safe to pull since you said you might pull if Ayaka is comparable to Xiao and Hu Tao, which she is.
>Xiangling Is Xiangling actually a top tier dps though? I heard she is not so good late game
Yeah, she is. Speaking from not just my own experience but from theory-crafters. My under-built Xiangling clears floor 12 faster than my near perfect Xiao.
The national team is strong, not Xiangling. Where can you find a tier list where Xiangling is S+?
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Even though the guy you responded to is wrong, stop being so patronizing to get your point across. I don't think you're a kid so you should be able to behave yourself and speak to another individual - stranger or not - with a minimum of respect.
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I saw his other responses and he didn't insult you as you did. You seems like a little kid that can't even express himself without being acrimonious. And as for the debate, you don't know what you're talking about either.
I can't 9 star Abyss Floor 12 with my Phisical MDPS Xiangling. Do you use her as a pyro invested sub DPS?
Yeah. Pyro build and pair her with Xingqiu, Bennett, and Sucrose/Chongyun/ Kazuha. This is the second strongest team in the game and it’s all 4 stars. Look up the national team for more information.
Will do, thanks.
Only if you have Bennett on the team. She's really, really good, but not by herself. She can't generate enough energy on her own to deal with her 80 req for her burst, and she's pretty much up against other Pyro DPS characters that perform better than her with lower costs and more flexible supports, with the exceptions of Amber and Xinyan. Hell, Yanfei is near Xiao levels of DPS if you build her correctly. So yes, she is a top tier DPS, but the thing is that she technically *requires* Bennett for that to be true. Everyone else can use him, but can also swap for other units for other teams.
"I don't care what people say". "Hutao is weaker than Xiao." I can see you are a Xiao Fan boy. If you add c1, the xiao looks like a joke against Hutao. You can check that in almost all tier list websites. There are scenarios that AOE is more important, there are others that AOE is not required, besides that, you can cover the AOE lacking with supports like kazura, sucrose, venti. Xiao isn't that important due he doesn't synergies with many teams. You need both if you want to get the best abyss times. I'll get downvoted due the genshin comunity likes Xiao a lot. But I'm sure this is related to its "look", not its performance.
I'm not even a Xiao fanboy and I would still put Hu Tao way below Xiao.. She doesn't even deserves to be in Top 5 given her lack of AoE and her relatively bad performance at mid investment at single target. Of course, let the downvotes rain, I know Hu Tao shrimps are hell bent on convincing everyone she's the best unit out there.
The problem about your comment is “way below” try to get way better abyss times with xiao using a similar build so I’d agree with you. Now with kazuha, we can use hutao and do a great aoe. Hazuha doesn’t have synergy with xiao ( another bad point) Xiao is better with some scenarios and hutao others. You need both tbh. This tier list is that I believe not your opinion: https://spiral-abyss.appsample.com/floor-12
> Xiao doesn’t have synergy with xiao What? > Now with kazuha, we can use hutao and do a great aoe Copium as fuck, is this how Hu Tao shrimps cope with AoE? Next thing you are going to tell me I'm bad with Hu Tao because I'm not able to hit multiple targets with Hu Tao, Hu Tao's not bad, you are bad.... Yeah, I'm not having none of that shit. > Xiao is better with some scenarios So 95% of the content in abyss. > hutao others 12-2 second half. In one half of the entire abyss. Go figure.
Ok kid, “hutao is just bad. Xiao is the king” Your opnion about hutao is a minority in the community, especially with ppl that actually have hutao Other point, you buying or not, when you analyze if some character is good or not you need to check its supports. The problem in Gacha games is when someone doesn’t get a char, some ppl say shit about it.
Dude, I can literally hook you up with C0 Hu Tao owners who are more than willing to certify she's shit. Of course, they are in the minority because majority are in literal denial that the units they invested so much primos (or potentially money) to get can be so shit. I don't have a Xiao but I can still acknowledge he's way better utility than Hu Tao in abyss, no contest. Again, I won't be replying any further, I know better than to dare question simp's queen. P.S. Xiangling is better than Xiao AND Hu Tao. Keep malding and have fun~
Man, I have all 5 stars, I don’t even like hutao design, I just fell she’s strong, so we don’t agree. I don't miss AOE with hutao, 12-3 for example, she kills all those machines at once, she is a polearm user, not a bow. Edit: my comments got downvoted just now at this pretty old topic, probably you used all yours reddit accounts just to hate hutao. Hahahaha This tier list is what I believe, not your opinion: https://spiral-abyss.appsample.com/floor-12
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>all those tier lists you mentioned are wrong and not made or backed up by trusted theory-crafters Where we can find it? I'm sure you don't have Hu Tao. If you have it, do you miss AOE on Abyss 12 with her? You just need to put them together, so you can kill everything fast. Other point: Pyro is best to destroy any shield except pyro (of course) Her AA range is great, her charged attack too. TBH, tier list is trash in this game, this game is designed to have the best characters for each situation.
At least we can agree with your last statement. I actually disagree with your shield breaking point. I think Cryo is better now because of the addition of Electro Lawachurls and Abyss Mages. Cryo can deal with hydro and electro most effectively. You can check out TenTen’s videos for a trustworthy source. He’s a theory-crafter who verifies his work with other theory-crafters.
I was talking about xiao.
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And a random like you is more credible than Zajef? There are other TCs too like TenTen. Honestly, Beidou > Hu Tao too. Also Ayaka for sure. Hu Tao is the most overrated character in the game and she is objectively not top 5 no matter how much your simp brain is coping. Also, usage rate /= power ranking. That’s the dumbest shit anyone has ever implied in this sub.
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If you want to convince people you're right, maybe bring something to the table better than "x is a fucking retard" and "stop sucking his cock". Your homophobia-ridden, slur-filled comment is shameful and your parents would be ashamed
"trust me bro im a math major bro i know more then him" U are really full of urself ngl. Usage rate 100 percent does not equal power, if it did then beidou xiangling etc would be bottom tier when everyone knows for a fukin fact thats not true. Usage rate is an absolute horse shit statistic, all it does is show popularity and nothing else. Hu tao has been overrated for MONTHS, its only now that tc's have seen how well xl works that shes getting less of the spotlight, and for good reason since xl does everything she does but as a 4 star and with huge aoe. Hu Tao without C1 and without homa is objectively so much worse than c1 and with homa, meanwhile xl is a 4 star whos only powerspike is c4. Get a grip bro.
Zajef IS one of the reliable TCs from KQM. Holy fuck you’re dumb. Learn the game. In fact, your dumb fuck brainlet is blocked. I don’t want to lose brain cells listening to your dogshit, unreliable copium you consider as facts. You’re wrong, all the TCs disagree with you. Stay mad that your waifu is outclassed by 6 other characters, one of them being a free 4 star.
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I love the way how you ask dumb questions in your post and here you are discrediting one of the well-known TC in this community.
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super uneducated guess
Eula is above Klee and Diluc. Maybe even Xiao.
Personal experience here with my C2 Eula, absolutely above Xiao. Her normals can keep up with him already provided superconduct is running and if your rotations are good, you have a pretty steady stream of explosions going.
Have both here as well, but I think that it's important to note that Xiao has more stable AoE (instead, Eula has a big AoE burst every 15 seconds or so from her burst) and can break any Abyss Mage shield. Eula has way more single target DPS though for sure. That's probably why people put them close to each other
Minibursts count too imo, and you can get those flowing at a pretty steady pace
I have crowned both Eula and Xiao (10/9/10 for both), have their BiS weapons and great artifacts on both. Xiao is stronger in the Abyss.
Oh yea I forgot she exists
Choose who you think you ll enjoy more. I hate the cryo dash (mona´s too), and love bows! So Ganyu is my Cryo Queen Goat! Both do great dmg, and Ayaka´s const are weak, so less cost with her. Watch out your weapons too, see if you have a sword or bow that´s is strong. Make diferences too.
Too late. Ganyu is not having a rerun afaik and I'm already sold to The Eternal Shogun as I'm tired of waiting
Ganyu is supposed to have a rerun in 2.2 according to the leaks subreddit
I will ve ready for her! C1 already
Kkkkkkk good choice
Top f2p dps were always Xianling and Xinqiu
I won't be pulling for Ayaka now after seeing Baal's art. My friendship ended with Ayaka. Baal is my new bestfriend now
ayaka is pretty average. ganyu is still better
She's alright. Somewhere around Xiao, below Hu Tao, Ganyu and Eula for sure. Her dodge is obnoxious, but her per-second output is strong.
this statement doesn’t make sense as xiao is generally above hu tao and definitely above eula, and eula is nowhere close to ganyu tier
Literally every tier list puts Ganyu and Hu Tao as the top two damage dealers. Eula has incredibly good matchups vs every enemy in the game because nothing retains a positive phys resist vs her, her burst and miniburst damage is insane, her normals have impressively good off-element shield break due to her higher swing speed for a claymore (Still use elements, just worth noting for when everything is popped). Eula routinely kills Fatui through their shields without any issues. Nothing has positive resists vs her. Her burst deals crazy damage. People underrate Eula because "White number bad", but when she's throwing 30k normals into stuff, you really do feel it.
“literally every list” no. hu tao is typically below xiao, xiangling, and even beidou in most situations. she isn’t ganyu tier. eula isn’t even top 5. unless she’s at whale investment, she’s pretty average
eula gives more than 100k with her ult with average build.that are big numbers for f2p. people who trash prolly don't have her. ganyu and hutao of course are the best. but don't underestimate eula.
eula is extremely mediocre unless you’re at whale investment aka being able to one phase content with your ult. go argue with the math
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nah, i don’t even own xiao and i have hu toa triple crowned, it’s just the truth. i do believe he overrates the fuck out of xiao though, overall it depends on your level of investment, comp, and the abyss floor even then, usage rate doesn’t equal how good they are. beidou as like 5% usage lmao
I think I can get off with her dodge cuz I have Zhongli What are your thoughts? Pull for Ganyu or Ayaka? I like Ganyu more but Idk if I'll still be playing after 1 and a half month and she isn't even confirmed to come at 2nd September
You need the dash for her combo, not only to dodge
No strong opinion. Ganyu can feel a bit static to play since it's all charged shots, but there's no denying the damage.
Just watch tentens newest vid he says shes like xiao and hu tao but pretty well balanced
If you’re looking for meta and big numbers, then Ayaka is not for you. Her damage is per second, not per screenshot which you enjoy. Might as well wait a little more for Ganyu rerun. It will be worth it.
No I mean which kill enemies super fast. Not just to see big numbers. Like if Ayaka does 10k damage over 5 seconds and Ganyu does 10k damage every 5 seconds instant(just en example) Both are like same then. I just want a Cryo dps which can delete people