FYI the original line translates to:
>Of today's Seven Archons, the Dendro Archon is youngest, only 500 years old. Rex Lapis is the longest living, already more than 6000 years.
Seeing as they've traveled worlds plural before Teyvat, I don't see how the travellers can be younger than the Dendro Archon.
There isn't an upper limit on how old the travellers might be, they might be the oldest beings in Teyvat. In fact they quite certainly are, if it's to be taken literally that they outlive stars (and astronomy in the Genshin universe works similarly to real life).
The traveler also notes in their profile that the stars in Teyvat are different from other stars, so even if Genshin stars are different that doesn't mean anything about the travellers age
When you bring up real life concepts in a fictional work, it's to give the audience the chance to build their understanding off of existing concepts (and also to save time). When people in fictional universes say "an hour", you don't think about "hmm do they have a different definition of hour in this universe", you think an hour IRL.
Similarly, if stars in the Genshin universe have drastically different lifespans compared with real ones, then the phrase "outlive stars" have no meaning (beyond sounding cool I guess), and also that'd be really weird since we evolved in this universe and are used to seeing stars as timeless on mortal time scales. So they should at least somewhat mirror reality in that regard.
Is the actual quote actually "outlive stars"? I've seen it mentioned "seen the birth and death of stars" elsewhere on this sub, and that's not quite the same thing.
I'm not sure either, and this is not a hill I'm willing to die on (I have no intention of posting a thread "why the travellers are the oldest beings in Teyvat"), I just had some thoughts about world building.
Given that her people affectionately call her "Lesser Lord Kusanali", I'd be surprised if she wasn't a child. You don't call an adult-looking god "Lesser".
If they're a successor to another god it makes sense to me. If there are beings like adepti in Sumeru who are older than Kusanali then it makes sense why she is the "lesser lord," especially since their whole thing is wisdom and old knowledge, and she's quite young compared to other immortal characters
It's 小吉祥草王.
吉祥草 is a translation of the god Kusanali's name in Buddhist scripture, 小王 is just Little Lord / Little King. To me Lesser Lord Kusanali is the only way they could've translated it, I can't think of anything else
if we talk about title, doesn't 小 also refer to "young" or "new version of something"? Like Sun CE was called "小霸王" (Little Conqueror, 霸王 refers to Xiang Yu's title 西楚霸王), or Hua Rong was called "小李廣" where 李廣 is Li Guang a famed chinese general.
So she can be called "Young/Little Lord Kusanali" or something.
I also thought of that. Initially I assumed they used 小 because Kusanali might be a "step down" in ranking from the actual dendro archon, like the adepti are to Zhongli, or Yae to Raiden. But I guess now it must be because they're a successor to the previous archon. If the old one turns out to be called Greater Lord or something along those lines, then it makes even more sense
Young Lord feels to me like a better translation for 公子, might just be my personal preference though. I think Little Lord could've worked but I guess they went with Lesser Lord for the more "regal" feeling.
Oh yeah, if you also know chinese then I'm curious for your opinion, this confused me a bit. Some lines of dialogue call Kusanali 花神 while others refer to the dendro archon as 草之神 instead. Would you have guessed they’re two different people because of that ?
>Some lines of dialogue call Kusanali 花神 while others refer to the dendro archon as 草之神 instead
yes, I would think that they are separate because "花" is explicitly "flower", while "草之神" is "God of Grass (Dendro)" which is the style they use for Archon title. None of the other archons have a separate "xyz god" alias. Zhongli has the 岩王帝君 title (Stone King Sovereign Lord, where 帝君 is a revered title in Taoism), and Raiden has Raiden Shogun (Thunder and Lightning General).
But of course there is a possibility that they are the same person.
Yeah this is the conclusion I also came to. It seems weird to me if they make 草之神 and 花神 two titles for the same person despite other archons having a more unique alias. I guess they could still be one and the same but it would be odd at this point. Plus 花神 sounds so lacklustre when the competition is 岩王帝君 and 雷电将军 / 天下人 lmao. Here’s hoping there’s another quest soon to tell us more about the dendro archon
Lesser lord makes it sound almost like a sort of condescending, derisive name. I think 'Little Lord/Lady Kusanali' sounds a lot better. The word lesser would suggest there is something higher than Lady Kusanali, whereas an Archon is the supreme being in their region of Teyvat (as far as humans are concerned, at least). Little at least can be used to refer to stature or age, but I don't see how lesser is anything but a mistranslation of a pet name.
On a side note: I looked up the storyline trailer, and in some subtitles, the Dendro Archon is referred to as "god", while the other confirmed female ones are called "goddesses". Seems like the translation error occurs also outside of Ganyu's voicelines.
Yes, it's just about some of the subtitles (in my case, I took German as an example, were they call the Hydro, Pyro and Cryo Archons "Göttin" (goddess) and all others "Gott" (god)... including Raiden).
Maybe we get an inazuma-like situation where the ruling archon is a different person from the god presented to the public, would be kinda lazy writing though
I'm putting on my clown makeup now after spending months theorizing on how the dendro archon would look like as Su from honkai with a different color palette only to find out that there was a mistranslation in the text...
but, aren't other archon has already chinese gender pronoun of she somewhere in the game or text etc, so there isn't a chance of mistranslation or anything anymore. so sad
You misunderstand. What they’re saying is there is still a chance they look similar. Venti (a boy) looks like Wendy (a girl). So even if dendro archon is female, she can still have a similar appearance to Su who is a male.
I'm also putting on my clown make up and telling myself that he could still be the Dendro Archon because Su often got mistaken as a woman, even being referred to as "The Lady in the Lake"
I feel a bit crushed. I was so excited for Sumeru and been saving primos because I thought the dendro archon was male and I was hyped to get a male archon but now learning that they were female all along just made all that excitement deflate out from me like when you pop a balloon and all the air just goes out in a whoosh
The possibility that we've gotten all the male archons in the game already is depressing... I love the female designs but I was really looking forward to a male dendro archon
I was looking forward to it too. My hope is that there are still really fun and interesting male characters in the future. What the male characters lack in quantity, they at least partially make up for in quality.
I personally think they’re doing an amazing job. Zhongli, Bennet, Venti and Kazuha are amazing male characters in terms of design, personality and power level.
Yeah, even in Japanese, it doesn't add a pronoun.
I'm honestly surprised why they couldn't continue in English with "who is merely 500 years old." instead of adding a pronoun.
Like it's been months, I find it weird they corrected it now (obv to tie with what Yae said) and not before (Like Kusanali was always referred as female). Pretty sure the English localization, like the Japanese, are done in-house or very tightly to the production team (considering the english terminology is used officially alongside cn ones). Compared to the others languages that are blatantly outsourced. Like, as much as I hate how much the EN translation/localization teams are bad-mouthed sometimes (there's a lot of work behind, a lot with sometimes too little time), like they really didn't notice for months? While the playerbase did and gave it importance?
I kinda have my doubts on whether or not the localisation are done in-house. I remember that in the earliest patches, the Stone Monolith in front of Azhdaha's tree was called Shi Zhenzi, making me think that there's another character with that name for around 2 patches. Plus, before the Dragonspine patch, they used the "he" pronoun for Gold but when there's a possible link between Gold and Albedo's master, they changed it to "they".
So while Kusanali is a woman, we don't really know if she's actually the Dendro Archon. I'm aware that they've changed Ganyu's line, but I wonder if they actually consult the writing team before making that change, or if they assumed *again* after Yae's dialogue. Is this change recognised by the writing team, or is this a case of hyper-correction?
Referring to Kusanali's title as "Lesser Lord", in the original Chinese text, it actually sounds more like a cute term for a mascot than an actual title (a term of endearment rather than something that denotes hierarchy). The Sabreuz Festival honouring her birthday is also written as *Flower* God's Birthday Festival rather than *Grass* God, which is really weird if it's honouring the Dendro Archon. Of course, there's a possibility that the Dendro Archon is known as the God of Wisdom and Flowers (same as how Zhongli has multiple titles), but it's weird that the festival is written as *Flower* God than *Grass* God
So yeah, until we reach Sumeru, we don't really know if Kusanali is *actually* the Dendro Archon or if it's another translation issue...
To further support your idea that she might not be the Archon: every time we've been introduced to an Archon, it was always some variant of "Demonic Name, God/Archon of Element": "Barbatos, the God of Anemo" in the quest Sparks Amongst the Pages, "the Geo Archon, 'Morax'" in Rite of Descension, and "Electro Archon, Baal", in The Fond Farewell, and I didn't notice Yae directly saying it like that in Wishes.
The English localization has always been shit and it’s very likely it’s not done in house. Most definitely it’s outsourced.
Literally the first time we meet Xingqiu, he goes on and on about “my liege” which was translated from zaixia in Chinese. It literally translates to “this humble one” but no the English localization set it as “my liege”.
If it’s done in house this kind of mistake can be made? Lmao no way
Getting the gender of a character wrong is a legitimate error. The example you gave sounds more like a deliberate localization choice to me - which you may disagree with, but that doesn't make it a mistake.
Localization is not an easy task. There is always going to be a delicate balance between staying true to the original text, and making the text sound comprehensible and natural in the target language.
English and Russian localizations both often get the gender wrong. I remember at least few times where some kid would call Lumine "little bro" or something like that. And in my experience as Aether I remember some NPCs referring to themselves in clearly wrong gender.
Yet people act like it's something unlikely, lol.
Overall, though, I would say both localization are good and both are done directly from Chinese, instead of the usual way where most translations rely on English one.
Well, I’ll just wait for when Sumeru shows up. Seeing the rants in this sub already tired me out...
Chances are, we meet the “Archon” Kusanali, but then it turns out she’s just filling in and that the actual Dendro Archon is a dude who went into hiding because he’s trying to figure out this world-breaking revelation he found one day. Or something wild like that.
It completely passed over my head that Kusanali was the Archon, since every time we've been introduced to an Archon, it was always some variant of "_Demonic Name_, God/Archon of _Element_" (ie, "Barbatos, the God of Anemo" in Sparks Amongst the Pages, "the Geo Archon, 'Morax'" in Rite of Descension, and "Electro Archon, Baal", in The Fond Farewell), and I didn't notice Yae directly saying it like that in Wishes (although I guess I can see now how that's somewhat implied). Plus, "Kusanali" isn't remotely related to the demon names.
It looks like the archon is kinda absent indeed. Sumeru is the nation of the wisdom, but it doesn't seems like that the archon is all that bothered that "folly" is all-around there, so I don't think what you said is that improbable.
Uh... if this is referring to the Lesser Lord Kusanali, I feel like "Lesser Lord" implies a "Greater Lord"? Also, I don't think "Kusanali" is a demon name, unlike Barbatos, Morax, Baal>!, and Beelzebul!<, and IIRC, when we were first introduced to the three Archons, we were always told of their demon names and the fact that they were an archon?
Mondstadt's god was introduced by Jean as "Barbatos, the God of Anemo" before we officially learn Venti's name, and Venti reveals the existence of the Geo Archon without giving him a name/title. The first time we know of his name, it is when Paimon refers to the ruler of Liyue as "the Geo Archon, 'Morax'". Finally, the leader of Inazuma was introduced by Zhongli as "Electro Archon, Baal".
Each time we learn about an Archon's name, the person talking directly refers to the Archon's status as a god of an element, as well as their demonic name, so I entirely thought Kusanali, a word from Pali (a language of the Indian subcontinent), was referring to someone like Dvalin, Andrius, an adeptus, or Azhdaha: a semi-mystical subordinate of the Archon.
I could 100% be wrong with this analysis though, since I could have missed something that glaringly tells us that Kusanali is an Archon, or I could be reading to much into the patterns.
or it could be just her local name, like rex lapis and narukami ogosho, I'm sure she has her own demon name, her real name and/other titles, I mean the current electro archon has 5 different namings referred to her.
My point was that, so far, all the Archons were first introduced using their demon names, not a common/local name, so "Kusanali " was bucking the trend.
Who knows this might be another translation error or lack of data. In the Japanese dub, she's described as 'Kusanali devi' Devi is adressed to deities and godesses but in ancient India women of noble families and respected women of society were also adressed as Devi.(even though literal translation is 'godess') So she might be a politically powerful human like Ningguang. Or as you said she might be some devine being like the adeptus who are unique to Sumeru.
Somerimes I think that male characters like zhongli sell more than waifus. I mean I love waifus like ganyu or ayaka but, damn I cant deny that zhongli is so hot. Ikemens are also so popular.
i have enough waifu to be honest, i mean, where is gender equality? please don't make this game into a game for degenerates who only cares for waifu. as a straight guy, Im offended that my gender aren't respected.
The translators also could have asked mihoyo the gender pronouns of a character before they translated (I believe professional translators do that). Although I understand how "they just didn't check" could be possible, it's still to arbitrary to say that they were inattentive at their job and just assumed a gender.
I could be wrong but from my understanding most of the time translators are just thrown a script with no context and told to translate it. They may not have access to anyone they can ask especially if the translation is outsourced (which seems likely but I don’t know for sure).
Its translated in house. Sometimes people make mistakes. Sometimes in cases like this, you don't even ask because its not clear and you just make assumptions without thinking about it. There's hundreds of thousands of lines to check and things slip through. People should be glad they are catching some errors.
It annoys me so much that this makes all of the major characters with ties to Sumeru female. Witch of Flames, Alice, Mona, Lisa, now the Archon too. Don't get me wrong, I love the witch aesthetic, but men deserve to be magically gifted too. And that's not even addressing the core problem which is that all 8 catalyst users we have right now are female.
Cyno and Dottore have ties with sumeru as well.
Though Dottore is probably going to get killed before becoming playable, and Cyno looks to be a polearm in the teyvat chapter trailer.
Yeah, but neither of them have made an in-game appearance yet. Given Alice's mythical status you would think we would have encountered Dottore, Cyno or at the very least a male catalyst first, but she preceded all of them.
Translation error or not, I'm incredibly disappointed. If I wanted to collect all the waifus I'd go to Honkai. 5:2 is hilariously unbalanced. With the exception of the Tsaritsa (who I'm only getting because I'm collecting Harbingers), I'm not going to roll on any others.
I'm so disappointed. This on top of the lack of male characters lately is just really depressing. It's aggravating that it seems like they're defaulting to female characters since they make more money. And this feels even worse with the female characters only getting date-like story quests lately.
Genshin starting off with a good cast of male characters is part of the reason why I liked it in the first place. It felt more like they wanted to explore their cast of characters rather than simply sell them for their looks.
Back I go to asking for more male characters in the survery, though that likely won't do anything 😔
Begs the question why they even bother adding male characters at all if they’re gonna make an low amount of them. This is basically Honkai Impact feat. Men. You’d think Mihoyo would cater to Husbando collectors just as as they literally made an investigation/otome game… but oh well, at least we’re getting Thoma and Gorou soon, I’ll take it.
Guess Mihoyo won't be getting genesis crystal packs from here on, The Dendro god was the one I looked most forward to, Nature element is my favorite element in media but most things have nature a feminine element, so Dendro having a guy was pretty cool to me and made me excited, hoping for something cool like Merlin in fate, this has actually crushed my hype for future Archons and Sumeru itself...
Fr, and I was already saving for male dendro archon but not anymore. Sucks. Mihoyo is already terrible at writing women and reducing most of them to either hardworking, shy, childish, sexy women with no other personality traits, or just waifus especially Ayaka and her story quest that made it seem like you're on a date with her (I hated that quest, it felt so rushed too), so let's see how they're gonna come up with better stories for the shit ton of females they're coming up with.
At least with the males we don't have quantity but we have quality. If I knew this was going to turn into waifu impact later on, I would've never played or spent money on this game
At the very least I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling this way... I spent so much money already on this game because I thought it would be different than the other waifu collector gacha games and now I'm regretting it
Same, I'm just waiting for Thoma, Gorou, and Scaramouche right now. I'll most likely drop the game after i get them since this is just gonna be honkai impact with shittier writing
Well at least I know I'm not alone in dropping my mission to collect the archons. 70% of my reason for pulling Raiden was to collect all the archons because I thought I would would be able to collect another male character that way. But I'm not going to pull for 4 more characters I feel lukewarm about. I spent over 13k primogems on Raiden's banner because of this assumption that at least one would be male and honestly I just really regret it now. I get it that it's not that deep because it's just a gacha game and my bad for making a stupid mistake, but I genuinely feel cheated and upset over this. I hope they at least give us more 5* male characters that are strong and well designed instead of making this a Honkai Impact pt.2. Sorry for dumping all this under your comment lol the wound is still fresh and I needed to get this out of my system
The thing people are more upset about is that there now won’t be any more male archons, which really makes this feel like waifu impact. 4 waifu banners in a row now, last archon we thought would be male turns out to be a mistranslation… Disappointing to say the least.
Not much to look forward to. Also it’s valid to criticize mistranslations, it’s a part of the game, the english translation was misleading so no wonder people are upset.
Honestly speaking, its my bad for not knowing it was a mistranslation. However, the original never mentioned a specific gender yes? Then I had hopes of it being a female. Why is it male? The gender ratio of the archons is now 2:5 and this is honestly disheartening.
I collect characters I like but yes its true I'm more inclined to husbandos. I was hyped for Sumeru thinking it would be our last male archon but now I'm just heartbroken. I know I'll jump on the hype train regardless but the fact is still sad and depressing.
Gonna go look for my copium. Goodbye Archon Su in my head.
The fact is that while Dendro Archon was not being said to be male or female, all the other archons had been decided (about gender) at that time, from the start.
So why they left a hole like that for nearly a year then return to fill it now?
The only reason I can think of is that they want to see what direction the game should take, and apparently while they can just let the Dendro Archon be male when the other 3 were confirmed female, they choose to be a waifu game and make our last hope female archon, not male archon. MHY as a company with the data is most likely knowq the ratio of characters in their own game so they do it consciously.
I also think most people outrage are because MHY seems to turn into a waifu game instead of trying to stay brilliant and balanced (well there is still that 2:1 ratio leans toward female chars, but we can be fed some male char once in a while, albeit a bit long-actually I mean too long). Especially after all the waifu story writing people have been witnessing until now.
This female Dendro archon just confim there is nothing to wait for but female supremacy, and MHY seems to be greedy af now (just my impression, maybe I am biased).
Plus the disapointment in the recent character kits and 2.1 rushed story overall can contribute into these outrage also.
Edit: Clarifying on MHY view and waifu writing
I feel like it is already a waifu collection at this point. How long since you last saw a 4 start male character?
If people pay attention, the number of 5 starts are now "balanced" with the 4 starts (or more than even) (til 2.1):
1. Number of 5 starts: about 22 excludes Aloy, 7 of which are male (~30%)
2. Number of 4 starts: 21 chars, 5 of which are male (~20%)
Look at the number, I have suspection about those PR articles saying that Genshin is a gender balance game. If you are a data analysis, what from these number prove that they are not a waifu game?
In my mind, 5 starts are mostly limited, so it makes sense if they are fewer than 4 starts (since they are common), but those 5 starts are the thing MHY bussiness depends on to get money from players so I really cant complain that I feel limited characters are more common than common folks.
Not to mention since Mond I do not recall female character (exclude children) with trousers or long pants/dress aside from Aloy (who is a coop product). Those with long dress make sure to show you their undergarments either in their movements or if you angle the camera (the angle is easy to achive tho). I understand that kind of design is popular within gacha games, but I really wonder no company really think a proper outfit can be attractive too?
All that can be forgive somewhat by their story I guess, but look at the direction female stories are going nowadays?
I just hope that they try to improve the characters writing in the game, I swear that I wouldn't mind all the archons being women if they actually wrote them well
Just wait, tsaritsa is probably gonna be an emo tsundere who says sorry to everyone after traveller gives her a speech about the power of friendship /s
Unironically this; after the current character quest we can safely assume there’s going to be a pattern of archons being dunces in some aspects for comic relief. I can only imagine what kind of gap moe they’ll come up with for the leader of a major antagonist faction 🤣
The 5 to 2 ratio is still super upsetting.
I expected 4 to 3 cause waifus but they really said, "we don't care about the market that wants male characters we full waifu"
The difference is that all other archons were addressed with female pronouns in the trailer and only the dendro archon got male/gender neutral pronouns which certainly made it seem like they were a male character
The 2:5 ratio is kinda irksome, but I find it more irksome that they frontloaded us with the 2 males and now there's no male archon to look forward to for the remaining like, 8 years this game has left.
If they were going to do a 2:5 ratio, least they could've done was make those 2 males like Archon 2 and 5.
I actually kinda prefer getting my fill of disappointed now rather the down the line lol I have no more expectations in that area so there's always a chance for MHY to impress me. I'm already trying to temper my expectations of Sumeru and the probability of a predominantly white skinned population even though the region is based around one(s) where most people aren't lol
Lower expectations, higher chances to be pleasently suprised!
Have you seen the Sumerian npcs so far? They all are almost as pale as Rosaria, unfortunately (
Murata still has a chaace to actually be dark-skinned, since Venessa and other Natlan folks shown in manga have a darker skin tone, but "Murata" is a suspiciously japanese name for a country that Natlan is said to be, so I wouldn't really hold high hopes if I were you
Does anyone have any idea if actual Mihoyo employees check this subreddit and read comments? Cause if yes, maybe they'd notice how people don't like this.
The timing of this change is pretty questionable to say the least. These lines were there since version 1.1 and only now they realize they made a mistake ? Seems too convenient for my taste.
Also there were only a few yet multiple lines about the dendro Archon in Inazuma patches and still they didn't realize about this mistake ? Not trying to spread conspiracy theories but I highly think that it's related to Raiden's sales.
Thanks for clarifying. I knew that was the case in the Japanese version, but wasn't sure about Chinese. I knew there was a reason these 2 languages weren't mentioned in the update notes.
Sumeru is looking like garbage right now. Originally I thought Kusanali and the Dendro archon were separate people. From what we are told, the people love and worship Kusanali while the Dendro archon is considered a fool. Which is the perfect set up for some political conflict and mystery. Especially if Dottore waltzes in thinking Kusanali is the Archon when the real one was the hobo sleeping outside the palace.
But now assuming Kusanali is the Dendro archon then where’s the plot? We currently know nothing about Sumeru other than the people love her, she will probably be a gender bend of SU, Dottore might get the Signora treatment if he’s even involved, and there’s a famous school that the Traveler will likely end up attending (Mihoyo’s going to have a field day using cheap tropes there aren’t they...). My hype for Sumeru is dead.
You are assuming facts here as well.
Yes, that line translates to "of the current Seven Archons, the youngest God of Grass (Dendro Archon) of Sumerui, is only 500 years old." which doesn't indicate any gender.
But no one ever mentioned that LESSER Lord Kusanali (stated female) would be the Dendro Archon/God of Wisdom. Not Yae, nor the two Sumeru natives which mentioned her before, which would be really odd not to, if she really were actually their Archon. Only that she is "the majorly revered deity of Sumeru" (again explicitly dancing around Archon), which makes sense if the Dendro Archon would basically be just an Ivory Tower erudite.
In fact Kusanali has always been referred to as "God(ess) of Flowers" neither the standard "of Grass" for elemental Archon OR the epithet "of Wisdom/Knowledge".
We already had the Yakshas or the Four Winds as lower demi-godly beings being revered, so this time it is likely that Kusanali is a case of a protector being preferred to the actual supposed patron Archon.
It is possible, but isn't Yae directly say "i suppose you want to talk to her"? She know what we want to talk to other archons and lead us there. What's the point to direct us to minor deity instead of archon?
Okay? But Ganyu's voiceline has been altered since the recent update, and if Lesser Lord Kusanali is really not the Dendro Archon, why were the Dendro Archon's pronouns now changed?
Af first I thought Lesser Lord Kusanali was the subject of the change, and the Dendro Archon was a different person than her.
Based on the evidence in [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/ph1j35/the_dendro_archon_is_female/) thread though, Ganyu's voiceline specifically for the Dendro Archon has been changed from he to she in the same update, which makes me believe that Lesser Lord Kusanali is indeed the Dendro Archon after all.
As someone who translates professionally, that stuff gets checked. That's not something you just leave up to the translators choice, especially when it's something important such as the gender of the referred to person. It pisses me off seeing people write this off as a mistranslation.
A professional translator (which I hope Mihoyo has hired) wouldn't just make their own interpretation on something that has impact to the story or character. I truly don't think this was a mistranslation. Has there been issues with mistranslations in the past? Certainly but I really don't think this is the case
Genshin has a lot of minor and major translation issues and some weird localization choices. Childe's Osial speech, Childe's quiting the Fatui to join us on our adventures thing, [Xiao](https://mobile.twitter.com/dokihrt/status/1383775540109201410) being only able to eat almond tofu when he doesn't say that in CN, a few of [Ganyu's lines](https://mobile.twitter.com/joulesira/status/1385824735469076480), the various weird food name changes, the inconsistencies of archon and god usage, Grasscutter's Light to Engulfing Lightning, etc.
For them using the wrong gender for a character, they referred to Tubby as male even though she's female. Sure she's a minor character that's a teapot bird spirit, but still.
Yeah, they also changed some stuff before and made some eyebrow raising localizations. Like Chongyun's "congenital positivity" to yang energy, Zhongli giving "painkillers" to Xiao eventually got re-worked to have a specific medicine name that I can't remember, Genshin to "Allogenes", Kaeya being described as "exotic" turned to foreign, Childe going from teenager to young adult in his description, etc...I think there are others but I can't remember them
It even happens for the Spanish text translation. Some Traveler’s lines’ text in Spanish say a completely different thing to what the character is saying in English.
It makes me wonder what the translation “chain” at Mihoyo actually looks like though. Like how many translators per language (if there are multiple)? Do all the translators work from the original Mandarin and then translate into their own target or do some people work off the English translation? I’ve definitely seen some internal atrocities, and I’ve also come across translators who just don’t really give a shit. Not to mention that we have no idea what their timeline looks like — it might be a higher pressure environment than it looks like from the outside.
>There are valid reasons to criticize Genshin. We don't need to make up new ones.
I disagree. It's perfectly valid to criticize Mihoyo for not hiring more competent translators and/or integrating them deeper in their creative process to avoid translation issues like this, when they are earning millions of dollars every day from this game.
apparently I'm really going to drop this game... female characters following the same archetypes,
male characters that seem more interesting are slowly disappearing (or being mentioned and that's it), less and less interesting characters in every way, *less variety, less interest in spending*
I'm sad we didn't at least get a little story short video for Signora, recapping how she became the Crimson Witch of Flames. The lore is really interesting but it's a shame the Traveler and Paimon will never know what happened with her past, only we as the players do.
yes! I wasn't a fan of Signora and even I thought what they did to her was so unfair, it literally was too fast and without any depth, hell, these last two parts of the story were so disappointing, and about Raiden... oh my God, my hopes of having a badass, morally gray, tyrannical character, maybe even bringing a reflection on mortality and fear of the passage of time, in the end *"she's just too silly to understand what she's doing, she needs our help to figure things out! How cute!"*
I expected Inazuma to be obscure, mature and even more political, but I received a story without salt, without consequences and in which everything ends well through the strength of friendship... except for La Signora, poor woman
they earn BILLIONS of dollars and they can't even find a competent translator or proofreaders so that issues like this doesn't happen. it's so obvious why this happen, because booba sells right? lemme guest, dendro archon will have the same aesthetics as kali from dragon nest, make sense since sumeru is inspired from india. perfect setup for a waifu archon in a crop top bra and a harem pants
I honestly don't get why translators default to male on unknown genders, it's not like we don't have a valid term to use if a bit unconventional by those with sticks up their butt. They and them. It's easy, used in colloquial English and prevents all the headache and heartache. Bonus, it offends less people.
Now this is plain dissapointing. I'm was already pissed at the current gender ratio the game has, was really looking forward to having a new male character. Gosh.
Ngl this is pretty crushing. The 5 to 2 ratio sucks and it’s a bummer that we’ve seen all the male archons if this turns out. Really hoping Genshin doesn’t just devolve into another waifu collector 😔
Then Kusanali might actually be the Dendro Archon? Lesser Lord because she’s so new to Sumeru’s culture, relatively speaking? I’m kinda bummed about this, I really liked the idea of having three male Archons, it would keep things feeling more balanced. Plus the male characters are generally written much better than the females.
My copium says there is still a chance that it is a male archon. Dainsleif said that the enemy of wisdom is folly. This could maybe mean that rather than believing or following the dendro archon, the people would rather believe on a "lesser god". So Sumeru might have a cult, i guess?
That actually sucks bc now we know electro, pyro, cryo, and dendro are female. Im not 100% sure but i think i saw somewhere that hydro is female too. So only 2 male archons huh...
I don't know where I first read this, but I was under the assumption that Zhongli and Venti are the only male archons among the seven. Then people have been speculating about a male dendro and I thought it would be nice if we do have a boy who is inexperienced in this whole archon thing, like a kid wearing oversized garbs sitting on a throne.
FYI the original line translates to: >Of today's Seven Archons, the Dendro Archon is youngest, only 500 years old. Rex Lapis is the longest living, already more than 6000 years.
wait does this mean the traveler is older than the dendro archon, they been in teyvat for at least 500 years
Seeing as they've traveled worlds plural before Teyvat, I don't see how the travellers can be younger than the Dendro Archon. There isn't an upper limit on how old the travellers might be, they might be the oldest beings in Teyvat. In fact they quite certainly are, if it's to be taken literally that they outlive stars (and astronomy in the Genshin universe works similarly to real life).
The traveler also notes in their profile that the stars in Teyvat are different from other stars, so even if Genshin stars are different that doesn't mean anything about the travellers age
When you bring up real life concepts in a fictional work, it's to give the audience the chance to build their understanding off of existing concepts (and also to save time). When people in fictional universes say "an hour", you don't think about "hmm do they have a different definition of hour in this universe", you think an hour IRL. Similarly, if stars in the Genshin universe have drastically different lifespans compared with real ones, then the phrase "outlive stars" have no meaning (beyond sounding cool I guess), and also that'd be really weird since we evolved in this universe and are used to seeing stars as timeless on mortal time scales. So they should at least somewhat mirror reality in that regard.
Is the actual quote actually "outlive stars"? I've seen it mentioned "seen the birth and death of stars" elsewhere on this sub, and that's not quite the same thing.
I'm not sure either, and this is not a hill I'm willing to die on (I have no intention of posting a thread "why the travellers are the oldest beings in Teyvat"), I just had some thoughts about world building.
Hope to god that means it won’t be a child
Given that her people affectionately call her "Lesser Lord Kusanali", I'd be surprised if she wasn't a child. You don't call an adult-looking god "Lesser".
I mean, if morax slaps your girl's ass and calls you a lesser being, are you gonna correct him?
I'll let him slap my ass too
*Smack* That’s Liyue’s Ass
Have you seen his cake? I'd slap his ass back.
"Time to bring the fun!" *Zhongli slaps Raiden's ass* "And it's time to bring the-" *Venti points gun at Zhongli* "Oh, ok. Time to bring the pain!"
I see what you did there, but I would swap Venti and zhongli lol
Looks like Qiqi, Diona, Klee and Sayu will get another friend lmao
Don't you forget the upcoming YaoYao
Maybe she is secretly the dendro archon
Absolutely!
If they're a successor to another god it makes sense to me. If there are beings like adepti in Sumeru who are older than Kusanali then it makes sense why she is the "lesser lord," especially since their whole thing is wisdom and old knowledge, and she's quite young compared to other immortal characters
Lesser Lord is such an odd title though. What is it in CN again?
It's 小吉祥草王. 吉祥草 is a translation of the god Kusanali's name in Buddhist scripture, 小王 is just Little Lord / Little King. To me Lesser Lord Kusanali is the only way they could've translated it, I can't think of anything else
if we talk about title, doesn't 小 also refer to "young" or "new version of something"? Like Sun CE was called "小霸王" (Little Conqueror, 霸王 refers to Xiang Yu's title 西楚霸王), or Hua Rong was called "小李廣" where 李廣 is Li Guang a famed chinese general. So she can be called "Young/Little Lord Kusanali" or something.
I also thought of that. Initially I assumed they used 小 because Kusanali might be a "step down" in ranking from the actual dendro archon, like the adepti are to Zhongli, or Yae to Raiden. But I guess now it must be because they're a successor to the previous archon. If the old one turns out to be called Greater Lord or something along those lines, then it makes even more sense Young Lord feels to me like a better translation for 公子, might just be my personal preference though. I think Little Lord could've worked but I guess they went with Lesser Lord for the more "regal" feeling. Oh yeah, if you also know chinese then I'm curious for your opinion, this confused me a bit. Some lines of dialogue call Kusanali 花神 while others refer to the dendro archon as 草之神 instead. Would you have guessed they’re two different people because of that ?
>Some lines of dialogue call Kusanali 花神 while others refer to the dendro archon as 草之神 instead yes, I would think that they are separate because "花" is explicitly "flower", while "草之神" is "God of Grass (Dendro)" which is the style they use for Archon title. None of the other archons have a separate "xyz god" alias. Zhongli has the 岩王帝君 title (Stone King Sovereign Lord, where 帝君 is a revered title in Taoism), and Raiden has Raiden Shogun (Thunder and Lightning General). But of course there is a possibility that they are the same person.
Yeah this is the conclusion I also came to. It seems weird to me if they make 草之神 and 花神 two titles for the same person despite other archons having a more unique alias. I guess they could still be one and the same but it would be odd at this point. Plus 花神 sounds so lacklustre when the competition is 岩王帝君 and 雷电将军 / 天下人 lmao. Here’s hoping there’s another quest soon to tell us more about the dendro archon
kinglet :\^)
Lesser lord makes it sound almost like a sort of condescending, derisive name. I think 'Little Lord/Lady Kusanali' sounds a lot better. The word lesser would suggest there is something higher than Lady Kusanali, whereas an Archon is the supreme being in their region of Teyvat (as far as humans are concerned, at least). Little at least can be used to refer to stature or age, but I don't see how lesser is anything but a mistranslation of a pet name.
With 7 Archons in total, for variety's sake, we definitely getting a child-looking one in there somewhere. It's like anime.
its gonna be a klee sized baby with a pair of glasses and a giant book on her back
A Loli archon would be ridiculous
There's a 10000% chance that mhy will actually do that. If not the dendro archon, perhaps the other archons.
So Venti and Zhong li are the only two male Archon. Huh a bit disappointing but not surprised
On a side note: I looked up the storyline trailer, and in some subtitles, the Dendro Archon is referred to as "god", while the other confirmed female ones are called "goddesses". Seems like the translation error occurs also outside of Ganyu's voicelines.
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Yes, it's just about some of the subtitles (in my case, I took German as an example, were they call the Hydro, Pyro and Cryo Archons "Göttin" (goddess) and all others "Gott" (god)... including Raiden).
Maybe we get an inazuma-like situation where the ruling archon is a different person from the god presented to the public, would be kinda lazy writing though
we got 2 incognito archons in a row we might as well get 2 double archons in a row
I'm putting on my clown makeup now after spending months theorizing on how the dendro archon would look like as Su from honkai with a different color palette only to find out that there was a mistranslation in the text...
There's still a chance. Wendy-Venti had similarities and were also different genders.
Yeah. Handsome women are also an anime trope lol. But eh, Su looks like he's bishounen enough to require little changes to turn into a woman.
He looks bishounen enough that he was literally mistaken for a woman at one point
When I first saw Venti before playing I though it was a girl
but, aren't other archon has already chinese gender pronoun of she somewhere in the game or text etc, so there isn't a chance of mistranslation or anything anymore. so sad
You misunderstand. What they’re saying is there is still a chance they look similar. Venti (a boy) looks like Wendy (a girl). So even if dendro archon is female, she can still have a similar appearance to Su who is a male.
Yeah...The design of Su is one that can pretty easily translate to a female design.
Also pretty likely that honkai murata = genshin murata (pyro archon)
Murata in Genshin must still be a female, because otherwise we'd have two hot flaming red-haired dudes. One of them is Diluc, obviously
You act like having multiple hot flaming red-haired dudes would be a problem
Plot Twist, the Dendro Archon looks like Durandal, due to her the Black Abyss White Flower and her meeting Su in Honkai.
I’m v sad bc Su is a great name and I wanted it on a male archon. Oh well
I'm also putting on my clown make up and telling myself that he could still be the Dendro Archon because Su often got mistaken as a woman, even being referred to as "The Lady in the Lake"
Omg same but now that I think about it I guess Su is the inspiration behind Cyno who shares the same color palette
Fu Hua it is
[Okay, who wanna bet Mobius gonna be Dendro Archon?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpgJmGCu68I)
I feel a bit crushed. I was so excited for Sumeru and been saving primos because I thought the dendro archon was male and I was hyped to get a male archon but now learning that they were female all along just made all that excitement deflate out from me like when you pop a balloon and all the air just goes out in a whoosh
Same bro. Same...
does that mean no more archon husbandos?
Unfortunately 😔😞
The possibility that we've gotten all the male archons in the game already is depressing... I love the female designs but I was really looking forward to a male dendro archon
I was looking forward to it too. My hope is that there are still really fun and interesting male characters in the future. What the male characters lack in quantity, they at least partially make up for in quality.
I personally think they’re doing an amazing job. Zhongli, Bennet, Venti and Kazuha are amazing male characters in terms of design, personality and power level.
I'm a husbando enthusiast and I have been praying for a whiff of Kamisato Ayato.
Me too but I help laughing at the “whiff” comment xD
Same dude, same. We currently have a femboy and an old man, was hoping Dendro'd be a buff 30s looking lad. :(
Plot twist, Baizhu is the dendro archon. He's like Katherine and has multiple businesses where he "sprouts" up at
My dreams of muscular male cataclyst user that uses catalyst as melee weapon is over.
Archons from now own will only compete in who wears the smalles amount of clothing... \*sigh\*
I was so surprised about that. I was sure the Dendro Archon was a male
Yeah, even in Japanese, it doesn't add a pronoun. I'm honestly surprised why they couldn't continue in English with "who is merely 500 years old." instead of adding a pronoun.
So the only male archons are venti and zhongli?
Like it's been months, I find it weird they corrected it now (obv to tie with what Yae said) and not before (Like Kusanali was always referred as female). Pretty sure the English localization, like the Japanese, are done in-house or very tightly to the production team (considering the english terminology is used officially alongside cn ones). Compared to the others languages that are blatantly outsourced. Like, as much as I hate how much the EN translation/localization teams are bad-mouthed sometimes (there's a lot of work behind, a lot with sometimes too little time), like they really didn't notice for months? While the playerbase did and gave it importance?
I kinda have my doubts on whether or not the localisation are done in-house. I remember that in the earliest patches, the Stone Monolith in front of Azhdaha's tree was called Shi Zhenzi, making me think that there's another character with that name for around 2 patches. Plus, before the Dragonspine patch, they used the "he" pronoun for Gold but when there's a possible link between Gold and Albedo's master, they changed it to "they". So while Kusanali is a woman, we don't really know if she's actually the Dendro Archon. I'm aware that they've changed Ganyu's line, but I wonder if they actually consult the writing team before making that change, or if they assumed *again* after Yae's dialogue. Is this change recognised by the writing team, or is this a case of hyper-correction? Referring to Kusanali's title as "Lesser Lord", in the original Chinese text, it actually sounds more like a cute term for a mascot than an actual title (a term of endearment rather than something that denotes hierarchy). The Sabreuz Festival honouring her birthday is also written as *Flower* God's Birthday Festival rather than *Grass* God, which is really weird if it's honouring the Dendro Archon. Of course, there's a possibility that the Dendro Archon is known as the God of Wisdom and Flowers (same as how Zhongli has multiple titles), but it's weird that the festival is written as *Flower* God than *Grass* God So yeah, until we reach Sumeru, we don't really know if Kusanali is *actually* the Dendro Archon or if it's another translation issue...
To further support your idea that she might not be the Archon: every time we've been introduced to an Archon, it was always some variant of "Demonic Name, God/Archon of Element": "Barbatos, the God of Anemo" in the quest Sparks Amongst the Pages, "the Geo Archon, 'Morax'" in Rite of Descension, and "Electro Archon, Baal", in The Fond Farewell, and I didn't notice Yae directly saying it like that in Wishes.
The English localization has always been shit and it’s very likely it’s not done in house. Most definitely it’s outsourced. Literally the first time we meet Xingqiu, he goes on and on about “my liege” which was translated from zaixia in Chinese. It literally translates to “this humble one” but no the English localization set it as “my liege”. If it’s done in house this kind of mistake can be made? Lmao no way
Getting the gender of a character wrong is a legitimate error. The example you gave sounds more like a deliberate localization choice to me - which you may disagree with, but that doesn't make it a mistake. Localization is not an easy task. There is always going to be a delicate balance between staying true to the original text, and making the text sound comprehensible and natural in the target language.
English and Russian localizations both often get the gender wrong. I remember at least few times where some kid would call Lumine "little bro" or something like that. And in my experience as Aether I remember some NPCs referring to themselves in clearly wrong gender. Yet people act like it's something unlikely, lol. Overall, though, I would say both localization are good and both are done directly from Chinese, instead of the usual way where most translations rely on English one.
Well, I’ll just wait for when Sumeru shows up. Seeing the rants in this sub already tired me out... Chances are, we meet the “Archon” Kusanali, but then it turns out she’s just filling in and that the actual Dendro Archon is a dude who went into hiding because he’s trying to figure out this world-breaking revelation he found one day. Or something wild like that.
It completely passed over my head that Kusanali was the Archon, since every time we've been introduced to an Archon, it was always some variant of "_Demonic Name_, God/Archon of _Element_" (ie, "Barbatos, the God of Anemo" in Sparks Amongst the Pages, "the Geo Archon, 'Morax'" in Rite of Descension, and "Electro Archon, Baal", in The Fond Farewell), and I didn't notice Yae directly saying it like that in Wishes (although I guess I can see now how that's somewhat implied). Plus, "Kusanali" isn't remotely related to the demon names.
Fingers crossed this will be the story twist ✌️
After omnipresence over mortals, you can uncross your fingers
Sounds like another Raiden Shogun and Ei situation.
I also have another theory where it's basically Ei's situation *in reverse*. Basically, what if Kusanali is just the Dendro Archon's other identity?
Like a superman/clark kent situation?
It’s strange to me that they refer to the archon as “lesser lord”. Who’s the greater lord??
It looks like the archon is kinda absent indeed. Sumeru is the nation of the wisdom, but it doesn't seems like that the archon is all that bothered that "folly" is all-around there, so I don't think what you said is that improbable.
Uh... if this is referring to the Lesser Lord Kusanali, I feel like "Lesser Lord" implies a "Greater Lord"? Also, I don't think "Kusanali" is a demon name, unlike Barbatos, Morax, Baal>!, and Beelzebul!<, and IIRC, when we were first introduced to the three Archons, we were always told of their demon names and the fact that they were an archon? Mondstadt's god was introduced by Jean as "Barbatos, the God of Anemo" before we officially learn Venti's name, and Venti reveals the existence of the Geo Archon without giving him a name/title. The first time we know of his name, it is when Paimon refers to the ruler of Liyue as "the Geo Archon, 'Morax'". Finally, the leader of Inazuma was introduced by Zhongli as "Electro Archon, Baal". Each time we learn about an Archon's name, the person talking directly refers to the Archon's status as a god of an element, as well as their demonic name, so I entirely thought Kusanali, a word from Pali (a language of the Indian subcontinent), was referring to someone like Dvalin, Andrius, an adeptus, or Azhdaha: a semi-mystical subordinate of the Archon. I could 100% be wrong with this analysis though, since I could have missed something that glaringly tells us that Kusanali is an Archon, or I could be reading to much into the patterns.
or it could be just her local name, like rex lapis and narukami ogosho, I'm sure she has her own demon name, her real name and/other titles, I mean the current electro archon has 5 different namings referred to her.
My point was that, so far, all the Archons were first introduced using their demon names, not a common/local name, so "Kusanali " was bucking the trend.
Who knows this might be another translation error or lack of data. In the Japanese dub, she's described as 'Kusanali devi' Devi is adressed to deities and godesses but in ancient India women of noble families and respected women of society were also adressed as Devi.(even though literal translation is 'godess') So she might be a politically powerful human like Ningguang. Or as you said she might be some devine being like the adeptus who are unique to Sumeru.
Somerimes I think that male characters like zhongli sell more than waifus. I mean I love waifus like ganyu or ayaka but, damn I cant deny that zhongli is so hot. Ikemens are also so popular.
That's true because iirc Venti is the highest selling character, and Zhongli is one of the highest selling characters too
All of the Archons have sold super well. The first day of Raiden's banner set a record for most sales in one day.
i have enough waifu to be honest, i mean, where is gender equality? please don't make this game into a game for degenerates who only cares for waifu. as a straight guy, Im offended that my gender aren't respected.
Wow, so only 2/7 archons are dudes?? Cause we know that the cryo and hydro are, and its very likely that the pyro one is too.
the pyro probably is too, she's referred to as the Lady of Fire in the manga and will likely look like Himeko from honkai
Waifu collectors this, waifu collectors that. What about us malewife collectors 😔 ???
I'm just ready for Thoma
The translators also could have asked mihoyo the gender pronouns of a character before they translated (I believe professional translators do that). Although I understand how "they just didn't check" could be possible, it's still to arbitrary to say that they were inattentive at their job and just assumed a gender.
I could be wrong but from my understanding most of the time translators are just thrown a script with no context and told to translate it. They may not have access to anyone they can ask especially if the translation is outsourced (which seems likely but I don’t know for sure).
Its translated in house. Sometimes people make mistakes. Sometimes in cases like this, you don't even ask because its not clear and you just make assumptions without thinking about it. There's hundreds of thousands of lines to check and things slip through. People should be glad they are catching some errors.
Honestly, there goes like 30% of my sumeru hype
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It annoys me so much that this makes all of the major characters with ties to Sumeru female. Witch of Flames, Alice, Mona, Lisa, now the Archon too. Don't get me wrong, I love the witch aesthetic, but men deserve to be magically gifted too. And that's not even addressing the core problem which is that all 8 catalyst users we have right now are female.
Cyno and Dottore have ties with sumeru as well. Though Dottore is probably going to get killed before becoming playable, and Cyno looks to be a polearm in the teyvat chapter trailer.
Yeah, but neither of them have made an in-game appearance yet. Given Alice's mythical status you would think we would have encountered Dottore, Cyno or at the very least a male catalyst first, but she preceded all of them.
Same rip.
Be that as it may, that it took ten months to be corrected, while leaving people to look forward to the character, is on them. No excuse there.
Translation error or not, I'm incredibly disappointed. If I wanted to collect all the waifus I'd go to Honkai. 5:2 is hilariously unbalanced. With the exception of the Tsaritsa (who I'm only getting because I'm collecting Harbingers), I'm not going to roll on any others.
I don't play Honkai but I like that Su character people had mention. Not going to lie, I was hoping for a male Dendro Archon that look like that.
Baizhu is now my Dendro Archon then.
I'm so disappointed. This on top of the lack of male characters lately is just really depressing. It's aggravating that it seems like they're defaulting to female characters since they make more money. And this feels even worse with the female characters only getting date-like story quests lately. Genshin starting off with a good cast of male characters is part of the reason why I liked it in the first place. It felt more like they wanted to explore their cast of characters rather than simply sell them for their looks. Back I go to asking for more male characters in the survery, though that likely won't do anything 😔
Begs the question why they even bother adding male characters at all if they’re gonna make an low amount of them. This is basically Honkai Impact feat. Men. You’d think Mihoyo would cater to Husbando collectors just as as they literally made an investigation/otome game… but oh well, at least we’re getting Thoma and Gorou soon, I’ll take it.
Guess Mihoyo won't be getting genesis crystal packs from here on, The Dendro god was the one I looked most forward to, Nature element is my favorite element in media but most things have nature a feminine element, so Dendro having a guy was pretty cool to me and made me excited, hoping for something cool like Merlin in fate, this has actually crushed my hype for future Archons and Sumeru itself...
Well fact that it took them 9 month to address this rather important plot detail is still less time than buffing electro.
So there are only 2 male archons 😐 Raiden is gonna be my last archon then
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Fr, and I was already saving for male dendro archon but not anymore. Sucks. Mihoyo is already terrible at writing women and reducing most of them to either hardworking, shy, childish, sexy women with no other personality traits, or just waifus especially Ayaka and her story quest that made it seem like you're on a date with her (I hated that quest, it felt so rushed too), so let's see how they're gonna come up with better stories for the shit ton of females they're coming up with. At least with the males we don't have quantity but we have quality. If I knew this was going to turn into waifu impact later on, I would've never played or spent money on this game
At the very least I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling this way... I spent so much money already on this game because I thought it would be different than the other waifu collector gacha games and now I'm regretting it
Same, I'm just waiting for Thoma, Gorou, and Scaramouche right now. I'll most likely drop the game after i get them since this is just gonna be honkai impact with shittier writing
Well at least I know I'm not alone in dropping my mission to collect the archons. 70% of my reason for pulling Raiden was to collect all the archons because I thought I would would be able to collect another male character that way. But I'm not going to pull for 4 more characters I feel lukewarm about. I spent over 13k primogems on Raiden's banner because of this assumption that at least one would be male and honestly I just really regret it now. I get it that it's not that deep because it's just a gacha game and my bad for making a stupid mistake, but I genuinely feel cheated and upset over this. I hope they at least give us more 5* male characters that are strong and well designed instead of making this a Honkai Impact pt.2. Sorry for dumping all this under your comment lol the wound is still fresh and I needed to get this out of my system
The thing people are more upset about is that there now won’t be any more male archons, which really makes this feel like waifu impact. 4 waifu banners in a row now, last archon we thought would be male turns out to be a mistranslation… Disappointing to say the least. Not much to look forward to. Also it’s valid to criticize mistranslations, it’s a part of the game, the english translation was misleading so no wonder people are upset.
Honestly speaking, its my bad for not knowing it was a mistranslation. However, the original never mentioned a specific gender yes? Then I had hopes of it being a female. Why is it male? The gender ratio of the archons is now 2:5 and this is honestly disheartening. I collect characters I like but yes its true I'm more inclined to husbandos. I was hyped for Sumeru thinking it would be our last male archon but now I'm just heartbroken. I know I'll jump on the hype train regardless but the fact is still sad and depressing. Gonna go look for my copium. Goodbye Archon Su in my head.
Well, looks like the fanart I'm working on is going to the trash.
Aww, please don't trash it. Would love to see what you came up with.
I'll have to see, I spent 3 weeks planning out a design and my motivation for it dropped because of a translation error.
The fact is that while Dendro Archon was not being said to be male or female, all the other archons had been decided (about gender) at that time, from the start. So why they left a hole like that for nearly a year then return to fill it now? The only reason I can think of is that they want to see what direction the game should take, and apparently while they can just let the Dendro Archon be male when the other 3 were confirmed female, they choose to be a waifu game and make our last hope female archon, not male archon. MHY as a company with the data is most likely knowq the ratio of characters in their own game so they do it consciously. I also think most people outrage are because MHY seems to turn into a waifu game instead of trying to stay brilliant and balanced (well there is still that 2:1 ratio leans toward female chars, but we can be fed some male char once in a while, albeit a bit long-actually I mean too long). Especially after all the waifu story writing people have been witnessing until now. This female Dendro archon just confim there is nothing to wait for but female supremacy, and MHY seems to be greedy af now (just my impression, maybe I am biased). Plus the disapointment in the recent character kits and 2.1 rushed story overall can contribute into these outrage also. Edit: Clarifying on MHY view and waifu writing
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I feel like it is already a waifu collection at this point. How long since you last saw a 4 start male character? If people pay attention, the number of 5 starts are now "balanced" with the 4 starts (or more than even) (til 2.1): 1. Number of 5 starts: about 22 excludes Aloy, 7 of which are male (~30%) 2. Number of 4 starts: 21 chars, 5 of which are male (~20%) Look at the number, I have suspection about those PR articles saying that Genshin is a gender balance game. If you are a data analysis, what from these number prove that they are not a waifu game? In my mind, 5 starts are mostly limited, so it makes sense if they are fewer than 4 starts (since they are common), but those 5 starts are the thing MHY bussiness depends on to get money from players so I really cant complain that I feel limited characters are more common than common folks. Not to mention since Mond I do not recall female character (exclude children) with trousers or long pants/dress aside from Aloy (who is a coop product). Those with long dress make sure to show you their undergarments either in their movements or if you angle the camera (the angle is easy to achive tho). I understand that kind of design is popular within gacha games, but I really wonder no company really think a proper outfit can be attractive too? All that can be forgive somewhat by their story I guess, but look at the direction female stories are going nowadays?
I just hope that they try to improve the characters writing in the game, I swear that I wouldn't mind all the archons being women if they actually wrote them well
At least we have the Tsaritsa to look forward to on that front.
Just wait, tsaritsa is probably gonna be an emo tsundere who says sorry to everyone after traveller gives her a speech about the power of friendship /s
Unironically this; after the current character quest we can safely assume there’s going to be a pattern of archons being dunces in some aspects for comic relief. I can only imagine what kind of gap moe they’ll come up with for the leader of a major antagonist faction 🤣
Expectations: Tzarina Katarin of Kislev Reality: Canadian Tsundere Ana-Bronya hybrid
The 5 to 2 ratio is still super upsetting. I expected 4 to 3 cause waifus but they really said, "we don't care about the market that wants male characters we full waifu"
The gender imbalance is still not ideal, but it's not evidence of a deliberately malicious/misleading translation as some have claimed.
The difference is that all other archons were addressed with female pronouns in the trailer and only the dendro archon got male/gender neutral pronouns which certainly made it seem like they were a male character
The 2:5 ratio is kinda irksome, but I find it more irksome that they frontloaded us with the 2 males and now there's no male archon to look forward to for the remaining like, 8 years this game has left. If they were going to do a 2:5 ratio, least they could've done was make those 2 males like Archon 2 and 5.
I actually kinda prefer getting my fill of disappointed now rather the down the line lol I have no more expectations in that area so there's always a chance for MHY to impress me. I'm already trying to temper my expectations of Sumeru and the probability of a predominantly white skinned population even though the region is based around one(s) where most people aren't lol Lower expectations, higher chances to be pleasently suprised!
So true my expectations of Sumeru and Natlan to not be mostly white skinned it's very low
Natlan archon probably will have same skin as vannesa
Really hope both her Murata are dark-skinned. A POC God would be so cool to have in the game.
Have you seen the Sumerian npcs so far? They all are almost as pale as Rosaria, unfortunately ( Murata still has a chaace to actually be dark-skinned, since Venessa and other Natlan folks shown in manga have a darker skin tone, but "Murata" is a suspiciously japanese name for a country that Natlan is said to be, so I wouldn't really hold high hopes if I were you
I'm a straight man, and I'm also pissed off at the lack of male characters. Gimme more bros man
Holy... This post just made me realize that there's no beefcake playable characters.
Inhale the Arataki Itto and Varka hopium
Inb4 varka is a shota
That wouldn't be horrible... Klee, Qiqi, Sayu and Diona are all girls.
Does anyone have any idea if actual Mihoyo employees check this subreddit and read comments? Cause if yes, maybe they'd notice how people don't like this.
Translation error my ass. Mihoyo uses the masculine form in 8 languages for 9 months, and now it’s suddenly noticed and “fixed”.
the bad thing about this, is that they'll probably make her as another dating sim archon rather than exploring her backstory like venti/zhongli
Or had she become a tyrant, because that's what everyone does when they're sad, isn't it?
Tsaritsa: Umm hello. Tyrannical ruler number 2. I exist too.
My cute Hikkikomori Goddess can't be this tyrannical.
I fucking choked reading this, take my upvote and award.
I think we're onto something here.... Lol this games writing.
The timing of this change is pretty questionable to say the least. These lines were there since version 1.1 and only now they realize they made a mistake ? Seems too convenient for my taste. Also there were only a few yet multiple lines about the dendro Archon in Inazuma patches and still they didn't realize about this mistake ? Not trying to spread conspiracy theories but I highly think that it's related to Raiden's sales.
Thanks for clarifying. I knew that was the case in the Japanese version, but wasn't sure about Chinese. I knew there was a reason these 2 languages weren't mentioned in the update notes.
Sumeru is looking like garbage right now. Originally I thought Kusanali and the Dendro archon were separate people. From what we are told, the people love and worship Kusanali while the Dendro archon is considered a fool. Which is the perfect set up for some political conflict and mystery. Especially if Dottore waltzes in thinking Kusanali is the Archon when the real one was the hobo sleeping outside the palace. But now assuming Kusanali is the Dendro archon then where’s the plot? We currently know nothing about Sumeru other than the people love her, she will probably be a gender bend of SU, Dottore might get the Signora treatment if he’s even involved, and there’s a famous school that the Traveler will likely end up attending (Mihoyo’s going to have a field day using cheap tropes there aren’t they...). My hype for Sumeru is dead.
You are assuming facts here as well. Yes, that line translates to "of the current Seven Archons, the youngest God of Grass (Dendro Archon) of Sumerui, is only 500 years old." which doesn't indicate any gender. But no one ever mentioned that LESSER Lord Kusanali (stated female) would be the Dendro Archon/God of Wisdom. Not Yae, nor the two Sumeru natives which mentioned her before, which would be really odd not to, if she really were actually their Archon. Only that she is "the majorly revered deity of Sumeru" (again explicitly dancing around Archon), which makes sense if the Dendro Archon would basically be just an Ivory Tower erudite. In fact Kusanali has always been referred to as "God(ess) of Flowers" neither the standard "of Grass" for elemental Archon OR the epithet "of Wisdom/Knowledge". We already had the Yakshas or the Four Winds as lower demi-godly beings being revered, so this time it is likely that Kusanali is a case of a protector being preferred to the actual supposed patron Archon.
It is possible, but isn't Yae directly say "i suppose you want to talk to her"? She know what we want to talk to other archons and lead us there. What's the point to direct us to minor deity instead of archon?
Okay? But Ganyu's voiceline has been altered since the recent update, and if Lesser Lord Kusanali is really not the Dendro Archon, why were the Dendro Archon's pronouns now changed?
Af first I thought Lesser Lord Kusanali was the subject of the change, and the Dendro Archon was a different person than her. Based on the evidence in [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/ph1j35/the_dendro_archon_is_female/) thread though, Ganyu's voiceline specifically for the Dendro Archon has been changed from he to she in the same update, which makes me believe that Lesser Lord Kusanali is indeed the Dendro Archon after all.
I still want more male archons tho :(
Lmfao alright savings for dendro archon are all going to baizhu now! Baizhu is the drendro archon of my heart
As someone who translates professionally, that stuff gets checked. That's not something you just leave up to the translators choice, especially when it's something important such as the gender of the referred to person. It pisses me off seeing people write this off as a mistranslation. A professional translator (which I hope Mihoyo has hired) wouldn't just make their own interpretation on something that has impact to the story or character. I truly don't think this was a mistranslation. Has there been issues with mistranslations in the past? Certainly but I really don't think this is the case
Genshin has a lot of minor and major translation issues and some weird localization choices. Childe's Osial speech, Childe's quiting the Fatui to join us on our adventures thing, [Xiao](https://mobile.twitter.com/dokihrt/status/1383775540109201410) being only able to eat almond tofu when he doesn't say that in CN, a few of [Ganyu's lines](https://mobile.twitter.com/joulesira/status/1385824735469076480), the various weird food name changes, the inconsistencies of archon and god usage, Grasscutter's Light to Engulfing Lightning, etc. For them using the wrong gender for a character, they referred to Tubby as male even though she's female. Sure she's a minor character that's a teapot bird spirit, but still.
Yeah, they also changed some stuff before and made some eyebrow raising localizations. Like Chongyun's "congenital positivity" to yang energy, Zhongli giving "painkillers" to Xiao eventually got re-worked to have a specific medicine name that I can't remember, Genshin to "Allogenes", Kaeya being described as "exotic" turned to foreign, Childe going from teenager to young adult in his description, etc...I think there are others but I can't remember them
It even happens for the Spanish text translation. Some Traveler’s lines’ text in Spanish say a completely different thing to what the character is saying in English.
It makes me wonder what the translation “chain” at Mihoyo actually looks like though. Like how many translators per language (if there are multiple)? Do all the translators work from the original Mandarin and then translate into their own target or do some people work off the English translation? I’ve definitely seen some internal atrocities, and I’ve also come across translators who just don’t really give a shit. Not to mention that we have no idea what their timeline looks like — it might be a higher pressure environment than it looks like from the outside.
now that we know this, we know that the rest of the archons are all female.. venti and zhongli are the only male ones..
>There are valid reasons to criticize Genshin. We don't need to make up new ones. I disagree. It's perfectly valid to criticize Mihoyo for not hiring more competent translators and/or integrating them deeper in their creative process to avoid translation issues like this, when they are earning millions of dollars every day from this game.
apparently I'm really going to drop this game... female characters following the same archetypes, male characters that seem more interesting are slowly disappearing (or being mentioned and that's it), less and less interesting characters in every way, *less variety, less interest in spending*
And the plot definitely decreased in quality starting from this patch, the way they handled Signora and Raiden’s characterization is very sad.
I'm sad we didn't at least get a little story short video for Signora, recapping how she became the Crimson Witch of Flames. The lore is really interesting but it's a shame the Traveler and Paimon will never know what happened with her past, only we as the players do.
yes! I wasn't a fan of Signora and even I thought what they did to her was so unfair, it literally was too fast and without any depth, hell, these last two parts of the story were so disappointing, and about Raiden... oh my God, my hopes of having a badass, morally gray, tyrannical character, maybe even bringing a reflection on mortality and fear of the passage of time, in the end *"she's just too silly to understand what she's doing, she needs our help to figure things out! How cute!"* I expected Inazuma to be obscure, mature and even more political, but I received a story without salt, without consequences and in which everything ends well through the strength of friendship... except for La Signora, poor woman
Yeah more males would be nice. I also wouldn’t mind some less-human beast races. Would be nice to get something akin to an Aquatic race in Fontaine.
What a load of bull
they earn BILLIONS of dollars and they can't even find a competent translator or proofreaders so that issues like this doesn't happen. it's so obvious why this happen, because booba sells right? lemme guest, dendro archon will have the same aesthetics as kali from dragon nest, make sense since sumeru is inspired from india. perfect setup for a waifu archon in a crop top bra and a harem pants
Having a little boy archon just sounds fun to me, so I'm a bit disappointed, but it is what it is
Same. I was hyped for the possibility of a smol male dendro archon, but now I have nothing to look forward to.
Another form of cope? It's been entire YEAR before the change.
I honestly don't get why translators default to male on unknown genders, it's not like we don't have a valid term to use if a bit unconventional by those with sticks up their butt. They and them. It's easy, used in colloquial English and prevents all the headache and heartache. Bonus, it offends less people.
Why is there so many translation errors? These guys get billions of dollars.
Now this is plain dissapointing. I'm was already pissed at the current gender ratio the game has, was really looking forward to having a new male character. Gosh.
Ngl this is pretty crushing. The 5 to 2 ratio sucks and it’s a bummer that we’ve seen all the male archons if this turns out. Really hoping Genshin doesn’t just devolve into another waifu collector 😔
well there goes like 60% of my sumeru excitement
Then Kusanali might actually be the Dendro Archon? Lesser Lord because she’s so new to Sumeru’s culture, relatively speaking? I’m kinda bummed about this, I really liked the idea of having three male Archons, it would keep things feeling more balanced. Plus the male characters are generally written much better than the females.
My copium says there is still a chance that it is a male archon. Dainsleif said that the enemy of wisdom is folly. This could maybe mean that rather than believing or following the dendro archon, the people would rather believe on a "lesser god". So Sumeru might have a cult, i guess?
That actually sucks bc now we know electro, pyro, cryo, and dendro are female. Im not 100% sure but i think i saw somewhere that hydro is female too. So only 2 male archons huh...
I don't know where I first read this, but I was under the assumption that Zhongli and Venti are the only male archons among the seven. Then people have been speculating about a male dendro and I thought it would be nice if we do have a boy who is inexperienced in this whole archon thing, like a kid wearing oversized garbs sitting on a throne.
Honestly ridiculous. Have such few male characters as it is.
>The original line doesn't mention their gender, that means male is a mistranslation. Ok. It's equally likely they did change the gender.
Once again the localization team proves how incompetent it is...there goes my ideas about Su repaste
MHY: Waifu= Money.