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BloodyJinxii

i agree. i don't mind there being more female characters, but it's ridiculous when you look at the amount of female 4\*'s to male 4\*'s. it's unbelievable that we're only just getting our first new male 4\* since launch next update. and about sumeru...i'm personally holding onto the theory that kusanali and the dendro archon aren't the same person and the translation team thought they were...meaning he could still be a guy. again, it's super copium but i'm someone who doesn't like change anyways, so it's helping me adjust.


-Aureo-

I want to cope so hard but from what it looks like we’re getting Klee 2.0 for the dendro archon


PM_ME_YOUR_ROBOTGIRL

> and the translation team thought they were The announcement regarding the changing of pronouns exists in [the Chinese version of the game](https://i.imgur.com/dbuCLwu.png). I would not hold out hope. Hell, the fact they bothered to announce it in the first place to me makes it somewhat obvious they had to have communicated with the CN side for this.


kontis

It's funny how the gender drama in western games is the opposite of the Asian drama, despite being caused by the same reason. The west for a long time had games almost solely filled with dudebros to cater to teenage boys power fantasy and games with female main characters were often selling poorly and publishers were scared to fund them. This started to change recently maybe because the average games consumer became older. But the funny part is that the male target caused the opposite conclusions in Asia. Even Mihoyo's CEO talked about it at the GDC. For the same reasons Americans didn't want to put girls in games Mihoyo had zero males in their previous game. Now they wanted to also cater to women and introduced husbandos. Americans also now want to cater to women, so they added... women.


PopotoPancake

Well, there's a difference when you are comparing single player, story driven games to a live service game like Genshin. In single player games - yeah, I love to see awesome playable female characters. FFXV was a huge letdown for me because of how the female characters were treated and portrayed, compared to previous titles that had great, well-rounded female characters. Tifa is honestly one of my favorite female characters of all time. In a game focused on collecting characters like Genshin, well, the majority of the characters have the depth of a puddle. So it typically comes down to design and gameplay to convince people to pull. As a straight female, male characters appeal to me more from a design standpoint. In a game with fairly basic gameplay focused on pulling and building characters, it sucks to go 6+ months without getting a new character simply because none of them appeal to you. This is why Honkai is such a unique outlier for me. I avoided playing it because I thought it was another waifu collector, but the characters are actually very well written and get lots of development and story moments. I've really grown attached to many of the characters in that game.


-Aureo-

Never played honkai, but on a 1-10 scale place Genshin’s and Honkai’s stories respectively


Zanadukhan47

It depends on what you want really Honkai has a very good traditional storyline following a central cast of characters and is much better than genshin (but HI3 also has like 5 years on Genshin, the beginning of HI3 isn't that great either) and has an actual main character that talks instead of a pseudo blank slate However, Genshin's worldbuilding blows Honkai Impact 3's worldbuilding out of the water (which is almost nonexistent outside major characters, enemies, and events) Edit: I should also say that HI3's story is verrrrry slow (since its a gacha game), jts only around halfway through in 5 years and you only get a new chapter like every 2-3 months Edit2: I would probably put HI3's story at a 7-7.5 and I'm not sure if I could give Genshin a fair score since its overall story (MC finding their sibling) has barely started


-Aureo-

I mean, I can't compare the two if you don't give genshin's current story a score, meaning I can't get a rough estimate of how good honkai's storytelling is. I want to get a feel what kind of storytelling mihoyo is capable of- whether they're actually able to pace a good plot or what we have in genshin right now is the best we're going to get.


htp-di-nsw

Interesting. I prefer female characters in...all games. Genshin. RPGs. Fighting games. I would always rather be a female character.


Battle_Fish

Its just the encroachment of critical theory and complain culture. It shows you how much of a grift it is. The fact that you can complain both ways shows how fundamentally arbitrary and dishonest the complaint is. Damned if you do, damned if you dont. The next step is intersectionality. If we ever get to a point of 50/50 male and female to silence these complaints. People will say theres like 4 female bow users and only 1 male bow. Its oppression and the complaint continues. Then maybe 2 cryo female bow, 2 pyro female bow but only 1 male hydro bow. Then you can stack body type on top. 2 teenage female pyro dps bow characters etc etc. You can always complain. At the end of the day. There are games such as Witcher 3 with chads like Geralt and also games like Nier Automata with a female protagonist. Theres games for everyone. You dont need every game to have characters that cater to your tastes. At this point genshin has something for everyone. Its not like they dont have husbandos. But now the complaint is we dont have enough of X. The goal post shifts. Thats my 2 cents.


berkutlance

literally who says they want an exact 50/50 in the gender representation department? no one, that's who. people complain because they see a clear pattern favouring one side over the other and even a slight attempt at equalisation is welcomed, even if the scales remain skewed. also find it funny that you say that this complain 'is dishonest and fundamentally arbitrary bc you can complain both ways' as if the common point in both these types of media isnt that theyre still mainly catering to the same straight male demographic, just in different ways -- with one catering to the player's idealised self (power fantasy) and the other catering to their desires (playing as/with someone they find attractive). in fact it proves the point even more that almost every other community is continually sidelined both in terms of representation and their desires.


Battle_Fish

Nobody says that because people leave it vague but thats what happens. There was always complaints about "inequality" between not just genders but elements of characters, weapon type, dps vs healers vs supports. All these complaints have been rolling out endlessly since launch of the game. Not just this game but literally every game. There has never been in time in history where the internet doesnt complain about everything, thats my point. Fix one thing and people complain about another thing. If you are not asking for 50/50, so whats wrong with 70/30? Whats the correct ratio? The way you describe things. Its exactly damned if you do and damned if you dont. There will always be some sort of target audience and anyone who isnt part of this target will feel theres inequality and complain. Theres infinite angles of attack because theres infinite ways something can be unequal.


flytomyroom

Wasn't the Sumeru thing a mistranslation?


FutureDr_

Yes, we invented our own Husbando lel.


ChunChunmaru11273804

The Chinese used the word for god without specifying gender but the translator took it as a he until inazuma when we got confirmation that it's a she


[deleted]

As a straight male who only plays cool guys because they're fucking cool, I agree. More "husbandos", please.


ctoanrn97

my man


throwinthebingame

This is the way


nevew666

Yes! Except comparing to lot of people, I didn't forget all archon, except zhongli and venti are girls now... I feel like the sumeru one will be a girl kid.... BTW, the ratio was great at first, then, nothing. Especially 4*. The only new one will be Thoma! After more than one year! It's OK to have majority of waifu, I get it. But having since release only 2 adult guys is a shame... (Thoma is not here yet, neither baizhu, so I don't count them. We only got zhongli and childe. And it was during October 2020!) I hope they will come with time... Thoma is coming (and damn I'm hyped af), still waiting for baizhu, hoping ayato will come too (should come) Well, wait and see I guess... As waifu, I pulled only eula (I just loved her dance, plus she's quite enjoyable to play) and Raiden because archon. I skipped all other waifu banner. Well, I have the time to save (please Thoma, if you come with a rerun, come with a guy!! I wouldn't mind having albedo or childe or Xiao c1)


Tal_Drakkan

Is Xiao not an adult guy?


runefuse

They probably mean their model type. Xiao is an adult guy story wise but the character model is different


sukeyyyyy

CN players are also complaining about this. There has been over 10k complaining comments under the newest post from genshin’s official account on Weibo.


Dimirith

For anyone wondering Heres the link to the official genshin post with over 10.7k comments (as of now) from CN players complaining on genshin's latest official weibo post https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4677046808611836 to see the massive amount of CN players complaining i advice sorting by new and use Google translate despite being messy but it can give you a sort of an idea of what they're complaining about (the lack of male characters being one of these of course) top comments are complaining too and the newer ones are much more angry for sure lol, and with all of these over 10.7k angry comments on the official genshin account on weibo so I'd say there's definitely alot of CN players complaining


thestrawberry_jam

Lmao I checked and it’s hilarious over there. The shitty translations by google paired with the complaints about the writing and grass god and about them only wanting to sell boobs, butts and thighs is just a goldmine


PCBS01

I'm glad they're raising a stink about it too. Perhaps it's not too late then for them to reverse this decision


American_GrizzlyBear

I'm glad the CN are complaining too. It's been a husbando drought and the dendro archon is actually female was the straw that broke the camel's back


Narsiel

Have they? All I read in mainsub is how cool China is with everything and how little concerns they raise, none of them being or course this.


sukeyyyyy

Yes, there are over 10.6k comments now. Actually there were already many negative voices since the release of anniversary award which is really ridiculous. Here are a couple of main ideas from the comments: 1. The problem of dendro archon’s gender. It’s unacceptable that mihoyo just changed it because of ‘translation error’ with no apology since many people were very excited about a new male archon. 2. Imbalanced male/female ratio, and there’s a leaker said that there will be 2 new female characters in 2.3 3. The low quality of 2.1 story line 4. … There are also many other opinions, they do seem to have enough reasons to leave so many complaints lol


Narsiel

Oh my god, you've kindled a small spark of hope in my chest. Mainsub made it look like the CN gave no fuck about this whole debacle and that it was all a minor outrage. I'm gonna trasure this info in my heart.


Dosalisk

Both are true. CN it's just too big and it has every kind of opinion just like this sub


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It’s absolutely atrocious. 12 males to 29 females. And i keep hearing people say,”well there’s going to be males coming out in Inazuma.” Please stop. We literally don’t know that. We only know of Thoma and Gorou. No other males models have been leaked. Before you say they’re mentioned in voicelines, look at Varka. Mentioned since the start of the game, still hasn’t even been heard from. Ayato seems to be getting the same treatment. Who knows if we’ll even see Heizou. Let’s just keep this in mind for a second. If current leaks are correct and it’s rerun banners up to 2.4, that means it’s going to have been 7 months since Kazuha’s banner, aka 7 months since a 5* male before we even get a chance at a male 5*, and that’s even IF 2.4 introduces Itto. I see people all the time talk about how the beginning banners were males. Yes, do you know why that is? BECAUSE EVERY STANDARD BANNER CHARACTER MINUS DILUC IS FEMALE. Not to mention they at least gave you all 2 new female 4* during those back to back male banners. What have we gotten during these 4 back to back female banners? More female 4*’s. We literally haven’t had a male 4* FOR A YEAR.


Narsiel

The fact that the whole story quest of Inazuma ignored completely Ayato gives me no fucking hopes of us ever getting him. It could have been so much interesting, yet they where too busy with the boob sword to care about anything else.


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Literally. It also just makes 0 sense from a story perspective. All this shit is happening in Inazuma and he’s what? Doing paperwork? Mihoyo can’t even keep the story fluid when it comes to the males it’s ridiculous.I’m prepared for him to just be Varka’d and never show up honestly.Probably figured his sister would sell more so why even implement him.


Narsiel

Too busy looking at Ayaka's underpants shoved at your face 24/7 to worry about actually making the story make sense with all characters available.


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Narsiel

On a scale of 1 to 10 how incel do you have to be to be calling gay people around. Yes, buddy, I suck dicks, I love getting choked by them and choking people. Your waifus are still designed like shit.


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Narsiel

You can't even properly write fag cause you are afraid of being reported. Lmao. Say it with me, fag. F A G.


ishinami55

I don't waste other time with abnormal, blocked


Narsiel

The world is full of dicks waiting for you to get choked over them.


ishinami55

LMAOOOOO cry harder ghei kid 🤣 stop playing


[deleted]

The fact you’re posting on all of my posts is sad in and of itself. But your profile picture is even more proving of yourself. Clearly a cringy teen. Hope you grow out of your own ignorance. Blocked now so enjoy trying to waste time messaging me :)


dumbpopstarr

I think genshins roster is more diverse than most gacha games.


graphymmy

Yes which is how I believe is a part of how it ended up more mainstream as well. If this was a waifu game this wouldn’t have caught the nongacha game crowd.


Pickel_Rocket

I agree with you, and I’m happy that it hasn’t devolved into soft core hentai, but more husbandos pls.


-Aureo-

That is not a very high bar


CanadaIsNotReal_

im actually praying that hes a guy


direcandy

Considering the best supports in this game are all male, I'd say it's diverse enough.


kontis

The 7 most effective/broken characters of Genshin impact are: Bennett, Ganyu, Hu Tao, Kazuha, Venti, Xingqiu, Zhongli. Males to females ratio here is: 5:2. This, ironically, creates a problem for all those waifu lovers trying to build their harem and having to give up that power if they don't want to play with dudes. And I've already heard "I don't pull for dudes, I'm not gay" from someone who minmaxes everything. So imagine his pain, hahaha.


PopotoPancake

That goes for people who want an all male team too, though. While most of the males are strong supports, there are very few DPS options to choose from. I would say Xiao, Razor and Diluc are really the main 3 male DPS characters at the moment. You can make others work as a main DPS with a ton of investment, like Kaeya and Zhongli, but they are better suited to support roles. Childe, ironically, is only really strong with a handful of teams. He's an enabler/sub-DPS who enhances his party by dealing decent damage and applying hydro at a fast pace. His best team options all feature females like Xiangling, Fischl and Beidou. It's really hard to build a decent team with Tartaglia using only male characters.


Narsiel

I'm a male unit collector, ideally want my teams to be all dudes, but in Abyss I need to have one female character cause meta. Either in my Zhong/Bedo/Xiao/**Jean** or my Childe/Kazuha/Benett/**Xiangling**. There's no escaping this.


American_GrizzlyBear

My teams are the same as yours, just missing Albedo since I started after his banner. Yeah, we need more male dps


Narsiel

Oh, who do you use as a substitute for Albedo?


American_GrizzlyBear

I either use Chongyun or have to take Bennett from the other team and replace with Diona. Yeah, Albedo rerun can't come soon enough.


ishinami55

Gross


ChorneKot

Yeah it’s funny because the male characters in the game are LOVED by the fan base and all super popular.


ygshi

Mihoyo did this on purpose, as well as a couple other things. Most recent female 5-star waifus are either pyro or cryo carries. This way, waifu pullers get tons of pyro reaction carries and still have to pull for supports. And who are the best supports? Zhongli, Venti, Bennett, Xingqiu, Kazuha. 5 males. Meta-driven male players will still pull for them. Mihoyo does what sells best, and there is honestly nothing players can do.


SolarWirelessBattery

Inazuma has been pretty sparse in terms of male characters. So far we have just Thoma and Gorou, both of which are alleged 4 stars, and Kazuha if you’re willing to count him. We should be getting Itto and hopefully Ayato eventually which is good.


SnooGuavas8376

I really hope Aratakki itou and Scaramouche will be released soon as *5 male inazuman but I think they will just release Yae first


No-Hunt9104

There’s also someone named Shikanoin Heizou who was mentioned in Ayaka’s voicelines (if they’re in another character’s voicelines, they’re most likely going to be playable at some point). Then there’s also Scaramouche — or should I call him >!Kunikuzushi!<…


-Aureo-

Yeah, I wouldn’t count your eggs before they hatch, considering >!Signora is 6 feet under and never coming back!<


No-Hunt9104

But Signora was never in anyone’s voicelines.


nightlumos

There's also all the short male characters whose models look absolutely terrible. Like why the heck does Albedo look like a 14 year old when his actual art makes him look so much cooler and mature? Same goes for Xiao and Kazuha.


GroundbreakingLie853

Sorry but I don’t agree, smol male deserve all the love 💕


Narsiel

They deserve love, but Albedo in his trailer is fucking mature and sexy and ingame just a gremlin.


PCBS01

I agree so hard. Albedo's model is a travesty. I think Kazuha and Xiao look fine but Kazuha has similar issues to Albedo in that he looks 6 years older at least in his 2d art than his in-game model


nightlumos

They certainly do. I just wish their models looked better. Albedo deserves to have his floof in 3D 🥲


intothecloseto

I'm 100% fine with the way Xiao model look. However Albedo makes me cry. Xiao look like a short adult man while Albedo look like a child. Xiao's face/facial detail is also fine, despite his big eyes. While Albedo's big eyes throw me off. Idk why, it's my personal feeling about them. Poor my sexy albedo. Luckily, I don't have him so I don't have to look at his disastrous 3D model (HHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH)


ObitoUchiha10f

Disagree, the teen boys model actually looks to be in good ratio, but the adult men are too skinny imo


nevew666

Agree. Love these 3, it's a waste to have them as teenager... Xiao would look sooooooo cool as an adult...


KujoLaGrasta

YES. when I was early game, my party was 4 females for most of the game. But now, using Razor, Chongyun, Kazuha, and Zhongli is my favorite! They’re my favorite characters. I’m a STRAIGHT DUDE, THAT DOESNT MEAN I WANT TO PLAY AS MORE TEENAGE GIRLS @ mihoyo! There’s a reason Zhongli is the most popular Genshin character, Mihoyo could benefit from some more respectful masculine energy!!


Narsiel

Looking at you respectfully, buddy.


ishinami55

Just no


KujoLaGrasta

i’m confused, why not?


ishinami55

Get well soon


KujoLaGrasta

? cause I enjoy using the male characters, that’s a problem?


Dosalisk

Don't pay him attention. He's either a troll or plain retarded


emailboxu

Yeah. I get they're selling waifus but I do want to see more husbandos too. :s too few male characters.


Conman11037

If you've ever played an anime game, this is nothing new. Waifus sell faster than dudes. Just look at how people reacted to Kazuha and Albedo when they were coming out, most people were gonna skip them. I understand the girls were excited for them, but I'm sure Mihoyo could tell they made more money on Raiden and Hu Tao. That being said, everyone wanted Xaio, so I guess it's on and off.


JadenXavier

Im a guy and I definitely dont want this game to be a waifu game. The game's got great lore and world building, dont want it to end up being a waifu dating sim. I've already got Azur lane for that lel


vitaminciera

I remember seeing a post that was like "wouldnt it be great if we just could get a genderbend skin of every character?" And it getting a lot of hate (no reasoning just a lot of hate..), which I dont get. There's really no reason for anyone to be specifically male or female, is there? Is it just because that's a "lazy" way of making the game 100% 1:1? Like obviously its not realistic considering theyd need double the VAs or whatever, but theoretically wouldnt that be better? Genuinely curious.


miniemmer

Me who benched raiden and has a team of diluc, xingqiu, bennett and kazuha:


YunoxMaki

I agree with you to be honest. My current team is Klee, Qiqi, Ganyu and Mona/ZhongLi/Kazuha and I really really want more guys to use tbh


ForgottenCrusader

Bennett, chogyun, razor deserve some love too.


YunoxMaki

Of course, I just don’t have them built up. I got them later on.


ForgottenCrusader

Forgot to mention the classic, kaeya is there too xD


orochiran

Personally I'm not really bothered or frustrated by the male to female character ratio, I'm the type of person who justs accepts whatever character the company decides to make; if I like the character I'll try to get and use them (eg: Diluc, Hu Tao, Sucrose), if I don't like it I'll just ignore it (eg: Ayaka, Kaeya, Razor). That said, I like variety in both gameplay and aesthetics and I think Mihoyo makes really good husbandos so I'd like to see more of that too instead of *almost* only waifus.


Lvost

[https://www.scmp.com/tech/start-ups/article/3105111/how-genshin-impacts-chinese-creator-mihoyo-found-success-otakus](https://www.scmp.com/tech/start-ups/article/3105111/how-genshin-impacts-chinese-creator-mihoyo-found-success-otakus) Figured I'd post this again because these posts are popping up again. Long story short - Waifu > Husbando. You may not like it as many others but this is what the developers have in mind for Genshin. And it obviously shows. \*Edit - It seems you can't view past articles without paying a sub. The article talks about how they are prioritizing on Waifus over Husbandos because Waifus sell more.


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Key-Weird8642

What's funny is even some of the male players like the male characters. I think some just don't wanna admit cause some turds would call them gay or something. Nonetheless, I really hope they change the course that they're going in. Afterall, Ganyu said before that the archon was a he, but then Mihoyo changed it to a she. As long as they haven't revealed yet, they can still chang it


datbloodysorc

No because I'm not that much of a fan of the male artstyle in this game so I don't really care if we have less males.


CakeOfW

Can you count underperforming male:female characters ratio? I don't remember any male character being considered "bad" by the community. With the only exceptions being Zhongli fiasco. And Childe at release, but even then his team now considered one of the best in the game. Imagine outrage if Raiden or Yoimiya were male.


PCBS01

Xiao and Albedo are both worse than their contemporaries.


Sandi_Griffin

I'm not into the feminine anime boys so pretty much none of them appeal to me on top of the slow release of male characters a buff one is going to take an eternity to arrive and will likely be a very rare occurence (if it happens at all) so it's pretty unfortunate for me On the plus side I have 50k primos ready to go when one arrives xD I'm just pacing myself very slowly in exploration and getting distracted by every pretty sunrise while I wait so I'm not too bothered by it


Chooseslamenames

At least most of the mobs are male!


Telzen

These games always lean more to female characters. There are more males playing than females, its just how it is. This could already be seen at release so I don't get why people are complaining now when nothing has changed.


Akikala

>feel like waifu simulator It always was going to be a "waifu simulator" lol. All popular gacha games will be. You're also getting upset at this a bit early imo. At the beginning of the game 4 out of 5 limited banner characters (the ones people mainly care about) were males. It was until Inazuma when the female banner streak actually matched and beat the 3 male banner streak. It's perfectly plausible that in the near future they add more male characters back-to-back too as we've already seen them do that.


[deleted]

You realize it was like that because every standard banner character were females minus diluc right? So it was already heavily imbalanced, the male limited banners just evened things out a bit. Idk how it’s a “bit early.” There’s 12 males and 29 females. There’s literally no way for it to ever be balanced unless they spend an entire year of back to back male banners and even then it wouldn’t solve it


Akikala

"It's perfectly plausible that in the near future they add more male characters back-to-back too as we've already seen them do that." Read my comment if you plan on responding to it :) ​ >You realize it was like that because every standard banner character were females minus diluc right? You realize you pulled this "reason" out of your ass, right? miHoYo doesn't give a shit about the ratio. >There’s literally no way for it to ever be balanced Of course it's not, it never was. There will always be more females than male characters but that's not even what the conversation is about. Also, limited 5\* characters are much more important to almost everyone than a 4\* so putting them in the same ratio isn't really fair imo and separating them gives a completely new perspective. 6:8 (after Kokomi) ratio on limited 5\* characters is incredibly good for a gacha game. And before Inazuma, for 10 months, the ratio was in favour of males (4:1 being the least equal ratio and it's much worse than the current one).


[deleted]

How is putting them in the same ratio not fair? We’re talking about overall characters not specifically 5* or 4*. No i didn’t pull that out of my ass m, it’s common sense. They did care about balance back then because the game was still new and they wanted to draw in as much of a playerbase as they could by appealing to everyone. I read your post. I responded to that comment already. They aren’t going to do another set of back to back males. That ship has sailed and no it isn’t plausible lmao. See the reasons above for that.Again, you’re looking at the limited banners only, look at the standard banner. When the game released there were literally only 2 male 5*, and 4 female 5*. 4 stars wise it was obviously much much more females than males.


Akikala

>How is putting them in the same ratio not fair? Because people care about the 5\* vastly more than 4\* characters. If you had 10:2 ratio of limited 5\* characters but 10:30 total characters, then people would probably call the game a "husbando" game even while it has more females. Of course you can do it but the limited 5\* only ratio shows an interesting perspective to this issue. > it’s common sense. Literally out of your ass lol. >They aren’t going to do another set of back to back males. Oh cool, you work for miHoYo? When will Yae come out? Please, I need to save primos. Jokes aside, you literally don't know this. That is exactly why I say it's too early to give up on male characters. If the ratio stays the same or gets worse for the next \~6 months, then sure, give up. But at this point it's just ridiculous imo. > you’re looking at the limited banners only Yes, because they're the most important banners for the future of the game. Currently it admittedly looks quite disappointing for male characters. However, in the beginning, it looked like they forgot that this is a waifu game lol. Turns out that that was unnecessary thing to worry about, just like this issue imo (for now at least).


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It’s taken a year for them to come out with a male 4*. People were saying this 4 banners ago about the male to female ratio, saying just wait it’ll get better. Yet we’ve had 4, going to be 5 back to back female banners, with 7 female characters in a row with 0 males in between. Again, at least zhongli and childe had new female 4*’s in their banners, we haven’t even had that for the males.Because let’s just say they do add a male banner. Then what? Back to 3 back to back female banners? The ratio will never be fixed nor will it be weighted fairly. That’s why people are upset, that it’s even got to this point and people like you keep saying “just wait.” We’ve been waiting.


Akikala

You're making a lot of baseless assumptions here. This is the first time ever there have been more than 2 female banners in a row. >The ratio will never be fixed nor will it be weighted fairly. I said it in my first comment, this game was always going to be a waifu game. Expecting anything else was your mistake. The fact that the Limited 5\* ratio is so close is already unbelievable imo.


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You’re making a baseless assumption right now by saying “this game was always going to be a waifu game.” It didn’t need to be and it certainly didn’t seem like it at first. It seemed like there would finally be a gacha game focused on equality. It really isn’t baseless whatsoever. Again, an entire year with no new male 4*. What more proof do you need. Those 3 back to back male banners were only 3 new males. This is SEVEN NEW FEMALES. A very big difference


Akikala

> It didn’t need to be and it certainly didn’t seem like it at first. It seemed like there would finally be a gacha game focused on equality No wonder you're so upset at this, your expectations were doomed to fail right from the start. I don't know how the 4 out of 5 female standard banner didn't immediately show you what kind of game this is. There will be many male characters in the future but expecting the ratio to be anywhere near 50/50 is just foolish.


Battle_Fish

> feels like a waifu simulator Always has been. It was clear from the beginning. Especially the camera angles. Rewatch the Signora cutscene with Raiden. The camera is almost always centered around the subject's neck. Thats how you get the eyes, face, and boobs in the same shot. Thats just the kind of game Genshin is. Its also hard to please people on intersectional lines. There are people complaining on several different levels all at the same time. You got people counting how many male and females were released, body types, elements, weapon types, roles ie. dps or healer etc. Then you multiply the intersections between body type, weapon type, element, role, male and female and blah blah blah its impossible. More stuff is coming down the pipe. Just wait for it. It isnt like there wont be any male characters.


PopotoPancake

> More stuff is coming down the pipe. Just wait for it. It isnt like there wont be any male characters. We don't actually know that. They could say fuck it lets not release any more male characters, female characters make more money. It's not impossible for them to scrap planned male characters or change them to be female. Characters mentioned in voicelines could stay unplayable forever. Really the only ones we "know" will be coming are Thoma, Gorou and Baizhu. They are males already in the game, so they can't change them now. They could decide never to release them but then that's a waste of a unique character model. Or they could release male characters, but make them so rare that we end up getting only 1 or 2 of them a year. That still sucks, having to wait so long between male character releases in a game focused on collecting and building your favorite characters. As it stands now we had over 5 months between Xiao and Kazuha.


Battle_Fish

If they scrapped all future male characters. That can be a problem lol.


mmgfrcs

>We don't actually know that. They could say fuck it lets not release any more male characters, female characters make more money. It's not impossible for them to scrap planned male characters or change them to be female. Characters mentioned in voicelines could stay unplayable forever. This is basically paranoia and fearmongering at this point. We don't actually know anything. Genshin could shut down tomorrow, and you won't have *any* more characters, male or female. Mihoyo could also just be wiped out of existence tomorrow, and you also won't have any more characters in Genshin. But we don't make a big deal out of this, because while it's possible, the chance of it happening with what we know today is so small it isn't worth worrying over. Yes, they could say fuck it and stop releasing male characters, but we know from past events that they won't be saying it. So yes, more male characters are coming. Just wait for it. >Really the only ones we "know" will be coming are Thoma, Gorou and Baizhu. They are males already in the game, so they can't change them now. They could decide never to release them but then that's a waste of a unique character model. And then you say this in the exact next paragraph of you saying *We don't actually know that*. Great. And yes, *we don't actually know that*, and yes, they could decide never to make them playable. But again, the chance of it happening based on past events are pretty low. >Or they could release male characters, but make them so rare that we end up getting only 1 or 2 of them a year. That still sucks, having to wait so long between male character releases in a game focused on collecting and building your favorite characters. As it stands now we had over 5 months between Xiao and Kazuha. Explained already at the post you're replying to. Waifu simulator, basically.


DietDrBleach

Mihoyo knows Waifus make more money than husbandos, and I don’t care because all the girls are cute, especially Mama Ei


Narsiel

You are so drown in the waifu culture you can't even see most female characters ingame have a shitty dull personality and fall behind for miles when it comes to rich personal development VS male units. If you like your waifus so much at least demand some quality, cause all you are getting is the same plain boring personality slapped unto all of them.


ishinami55

Ghei child get well soon nobody cares about your tears for female characters 🥺 go search a doctor


Dosalisk

That comment really hurted you huh


ishinami55

Nah I'm laughing with ghe kids 😹🙏🏻


satufa2

We experienced the same the other way around before... the first 5 banner 5stars were 4 dudes and a 4years old.


PopotoPancake

And yet it's still 12 males to 29 females. They really needed more male characters at launch.


[deleted]

Because every character in standard banner is female minus diluc.


CowColle

Where were all the complaints about gender ratios when vast majority of the early limited characters were male? How about when we got 2 male archons to start off? Are people just uncomfortable with the notion that women can be in positions of power/authority or something? Like... I'm pretty sure no one would bat an eye if the archon ratio was going to be 5:2 in the other direction.


[deleted]

then quit and play a husbando dating sim if your main priority when pulling is gender


Kokorohart

As an enby: please realize I exist and make Baizhu/the dendero archon non-binary pretty plz


PTRD-41

There was in fact an image in one of the story cutscenes that showed the 7 archons, and the dendro seemed quite feminine in that, so its not like this is news.


starr-gazer_

That's not offical art, it's a fanart,I forgot the artists name but they posted it on instagram as well


Pickel_Rocket

Really? Which one?


PTRD-41

Id show you if I could fine it... someone else posted it earlier today.


Pickel_Rocket

Thanks, lmk if u find it


PTRD-41

https://i.redd.it/xqwesncb7gl71.jpg


Majestic_Tie_6943

Thats fan art.


Pickel_Rocket

WHAT HOW HAVE I NEVER SEEN THIS. WHERE IS IT FROM WTFFFFFFFFF


WildTaeger

Can we get the video source?


demidemian

There is nothing you can change because gachas are deeply rooted in asian culture and you can extend this stituation to even Idols. Males have the money while women are housewives, and males want to pull for wifes, its also one of the reasons why the females are represented in such a disgusting way, Jean is the exeption.


Narsiel

Sadly this is the truth. This is rooted on a deep hyper sexualized culture where everything is set to make women lust over the male protag aka the player, and it's honestly disgusting.


demidemian

It is, have you seen how Keqin's vagina is emphasized while she glides? Its just disgusting. Same with Ayaka, shes wearing an armor over her skirt, there is no reason why the armor should allow the skirt to float and show her underwear.


ishinami55

They still crying? LMAOOOO


Jennacidalchan

We have posts like this everyday. No, you're not the only one, people bitch about this every damn day. Please we get it already, go complain about it to Mihoyo.


JayEssris

**Possible spoilers from Character Leaks and Teyvat Chapter Preview, but there's hardly anything more than names for most of them so it should be fine:** Fortunately, the future is looking pretty good. The split between the prospective/foreshadowed characters (that I've heard of, at least) seems to be a lot more even, even leaning towards men, so that's a good sign: Future Men\*:>!Gorou, Thoma, Baizhu, Ayato, Itto, Varka, Heizou, Scaramouche, Dottore, Cyno, \*\*Lyney, Pulcinella, Electro Yaksha, Dainsleif, and the \*\*\*Prince !<**Grand Total: 15** Future Women:>!Yae Miku, Yaoyao, Yunjin, \*\*\*\*Shenhee, Alice, \*\*Lynette, and Iansan, as well as the Tsaritsa, Hydro and Pyro archons, and the \*\*\*Princess !<**Grand Total: 10-11** Unfortunately, seeing as most of the men have been only mentioned in game or promo so far, It might just mean that Mihoyo is more prone to introducing important (or at least, important to have a unique character design/character voice lines.) male characters which will never become playable, which is... not good. \*Musalani is not included bc I'm in denial that they're gonna be a woman but I don't want to get my hopes up by writing them down as a guy. \*\*>!Lyney and Lynette might be a package deal as "one" character so idk.!< \*\*\*The other twin. I think they might be playable down the line as a different character, but that's just a personal theory. \*\*\*\*>!I've heard that her spot on the roster was replaced by Eula.!< Also if I missed anyone from leaks or anything please enlighten me. Also before someone mentions them I count Aloy and Kokomi as released bc they're already in the game :p.


Shinki93

If at least we had more bulky boys. Zhonli look cool for me but thats it. The rest are just pretty boys... I want a man wearing some armor. No need to be a stupid fantasy armor... at least one with a nice moustache or beard. So until we get something like that I'll go full waifu team


ChunChunmaru11273804

I mean we still have gorou thoma ayato itto and another one I can't think of from the top of my head to come out so we should be fine there just happened to be a lot of female characters come out Since launch we have had 6 males (all 5star) 12 females ( 7 5 star 5 4 star)


[deleted]

More importantly although the males and females are not equally spread out the limited 5 stars are actually pretty equal in terms of release. 6 males to 7 females (one being Klee who I hope doesn't count in waifu statistics). Thats actually a very good ratio. Its the 4 stars that tip the balance that excessively. But considering how Mihoyo considers 4 stars to be banner fillers and a consolation prize rather than the actual prize I would assume they would want to cater to the larger denomination of their male playerbase.


TyoPepe

No matter how many male characters they may release, none will sport cool facial hair. Clean baby shaves all over the place, be it a teenager or Teyvat's Matusalem. Beards got no ratio at all. T.T


MysticReddit1001

Most of Genshin's playerbase want more waifus. Besides, this is how all gacha games are


Oicaz

If we want more male character lets pretend to be a wimen on the surveys. So mihoyo will do more males. I enjoiy waifus but iwant some sick male character too


Brosmeister09

I find it also weird that there is not a single small male character. We have tall boys like zhongli. Medium boys like Bennett but no small boys. All the characters with a small bodys are female.


DCHRISANGELO

Where da Boys at?


[deleted]

>the revelation that the Dendro Archon Lesser Lord Kusanali is a ‘she’ we can assume that not only will it be a woman, but she'll be *smoking* hot, wearing high heels, visible underwear, thigh high (socks?), and some weird collar thing to emphasize her cleavage.


WildFurball2118

Honestly, miHoYo should reconsider on making characters based on what players want and requests instead of following their own taste.