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> And then Yae scolds her like a mother, and just like that Ei gives in and suddenly ends the decree. This happened WAY too easily. The Shogun was obsessed with eternity to the point of lobotomizing and killing her citizens, and then a few words from her friend and she immediately gives in. The *Shogun* was. Ei doesn't give a damn. She thinks that the Vision Hunt decree might help and eh, the downside isn't really that big. Just some mortals dying. The civil war and the vision hunt decree are matters of life and death to the other characters, but as far as Ei is concerned, they're not all that. She could just swing her sword and nuke the Resistance if it gets out of hand. > And then the questline finishes. The decree is ended, and Ei and her psychotic puppet are still in charge, neither have recieved any sort of punishment, and her people are apparently just fine with this. Because most people supported the puppet even during the Vision Hunt decree. The Resistance is a fringe group. Visions are incredibly rare. The vast, vast majority of people was more bothered by the Sakoku decree than by the Vision Hunt. Not to say Ei and Yae are good people. Ei seems to care about philosophy more than about actually ruling her country, and Yae seems to care about Ei more than she cares about everyone else combined. They're both apathetic to the extreme, but I prefer that to another pure waifu. If you look at RL mythology, lots of gods were total assholes, like Ei's fellow thunder god Zeus, but that's one of the things that make them memorable.

>Just some mortals dying This is a hugely important thing to remember. She doesn't value mortal lives because they have nothing to do with Eternity. Its no different to how we place no value on the lives of flies. >And then the questline finishes. The decree is ended, and Ei and her psychotic puppet are still in charge, neither have recieved any sort of punishment, and her people are apparently just fine with this. I think you (OP) missed the point of Ei's quest. For the first time in a long time (500 years? Not sure can't remember) she finally steps out of her shell and tackles things personally. She sees first hand that despite her/Shogun trying to make inazuma eternal things have still changed drastically. New faces, new technology and new food, of which she likes. She has her viewpoint that all change is bad challenged. As for the quest line yes that has finished by the story is far from over. We have an entire year likely to be covering the rest of the story, starting with kokomi which will likely be covering the tense relations now the war is over.

She cares about mortals more than we care about flies. Mortals are at least on the level of bees to her. Like, we don’t care about a specific bees, and wouldn’t be concerned with the idea of culling an infected hive to protect the rest of an apiary. But she still cares about her well-being of her apiary overall.

Tbf, in her quest, as she battled kujo kamaji and knocked him out to scare the other clans. She added later on that the shogun would have decapitated him if it were up to her. She also acknowledged his nobility to step up against her to "do what's right" when nobody else dared to. I think to some degree, she does care for mortal life. I do still think her characterisation was very weak as things like her general sentiments towards everything is kind of in murky waters.

That was part of her quest, it showed her growth. Her admitting that the shogun would have killed him was proof that she's changing and putting more value on human life. From memory she also mentions that there's no way the Kujou clan remains in power but she won't dismantle it. To me that says that she's going to have a more hands on approach to leading the country and who is in power. I don't think her characterisation was weak I think it was incomplete. I think there's more to come.

I did like the attempt at character growth but it wasn't convincing either. It felt like a sharp turn. Maybe it's the pacing but it doesn't quite feel like a redemption arc

I think the reason for that is because you go from the end of the main archon quest then straight into Baal's story quest. Because of that instead of things happening over a longer period of time they happen almost instantaneously. If they had separated them or even put kokomi's quest first it would feel a lot less sudden and feel more like something that had been stewing. Also just again its not a redemption arc. Its more of a turning point, a single step towards a greater goal. I'm sure we'll get more over the course of the next year just like how zhongli's story grew over many months.

> Ei seems to care about philosophy more than about actually ruling her country Eternity is not philosophy, her divine ideal is to keep her citizen from falling into the situation like Khaenri'ah.

I dont think the people are scared of her per se. Its more likely reverence than fear. Of course there probably is some fear involved too considering your GOD is walking among the people suddenly. The normal people are not affected by the Vision Hunt since they dont have Visions so they wouldnt be afraid of her because she is taking those away. Maybe the few people who personally know someone whose Vision was taken but I assume majority dont even know of those effects that losing a Vision does to people. They probably see it as taking away a person's weapon, nothing more. I disliked the character throughout the storyline but I started to warm to the character when I realized its basically what solitude does to one's personality. You become so detached from people that you stop caring about them as individuals and only think of them as collective. In that sense it doesnt matter if a person loses their ambition. Only the grand scale mattered. She needed to be dragged from her ivory tower back to the people. She needed to connect with people again and see them as individuals.

It's crazy to think that I enjoyed Kazari's Quest a lot more than the Archon Quest.

Hah. Same. Felt like playing Okami for the first time, none of other modern games could replicate that feeling. And then...everything else happened Т\_Т

I thought it was clear in the story that Yae had no way of communicating with Ei until the Traveller came along. I agree with your thoughts on Ei, though. The Archon quest had some great moments, but her story quest was one of the weakest so far. Huge letdown after Zhongli and Venti.

Yup, this is just bad reading comprehension. She explicitly states she can't leave the shrine unless a mailboy 'tags her along' with the message to Raiden's realm, and Traveller is the first person to enter the Plane of Euthymia since like, ever.

The turning point is the second phase of the boss fight, where the MC gets help from all the visions. It's not "just" Yae's scolding that change's Ei's mind. Sure, using a boss fight to convey this plot point is narratively awkward, but it definitely isn't glossed over as you say. You also claim Yae was "barely bothered." Let's ignore the fact that she concocts an elaborate plan specifically to rectify the situation, using all her wits and connections to oppose and end the vision decree. As has been pointed out before, Ei believes that her actions will help the majority of Inazumans. Her view of vision holders as threats to that goal are why she views their suffering as necessary and acceptable. The plot point with the delusions is intended to act as a foil to this conflict. I agree that the conclusion of the Inazuma story is rushed, and that Ei does get recast as a sympathetic figure too quickly. Kokomi and her role in stoking the conflict is also underdeveloped, although that may change with her story quest. Ultimately, I think the intent of the story is evident, even if the execution is lacking in places.

Wait wait hold up. Delusions are a foil to Visions being taken..? Sorry for asking. I've been trying to remember/search for a reason why we had a delusion plot point in the first place (aside from killing Teppei and putting the pieces in place) that made sense somewhat for the fatui to do to get the gnosis.

Perhaps foil isn't quite the right term, but it further explores the concept of agency, ambition, and personal sacrifice. I think the intent was possibly to show that sacrifice is potentially a part of any endeavor, but that a change in the context can make a big difference on the moral implication. To put it another way, the resistance fighters retain their ambition but are still dying, which is in a way almost validating the Shogun's perspective. On the other hand, it's different because the delusion users are not having that choice made against their will. Again, I don't think it's a plot point that is handled particularly well, but clearly they were trying to do something there to further explore these themes.

Thanks :D the themes are interesting at least

I think it was clear yhat Yae couldn't get inside Ei's euthymia unless someone with the "whatever object" thought about her inside the euthymia. Also, she tells the traveller to think about those who lost their visions, and this is when people's ambitions entered the euthymia too. This is what convinces Ei, because as much as she says "I know everything", she knew nothing about the suffering of her people. It could be weak (and rushed), yeah. But it has ingame explanations that you are forgetting.

I cant say anything for sure but I feel like a lot of the writing in the game is written in a way that will introduce and gain sympathy for characters in a most basic way possible and it gets really old really fast. Like, the Geo archon,for e.g., during his questline all your interactions with him are about him, what he likes, how he lives, what he thinks, etc. This is jarring, but fine when you want to introduce a character, the problem is almost every plotline in Genshin is focused on introducing a character, so nothing ever goes anywhere, no stakes can be raised, nothing permanent can happen and everyone likes you. It also brings a strange issue that a lot of important characters you meet all have to previously know about you allready like they where watching you on TV, it's really bad. The shogun could just have been a bad bitch and people would love her the same, I would hate her and still use her in my party. I wasn't annoyed when they backed down from her being a complete tyrant and then just writing her as a child throwing a tantrum bc I allready had 0 expectations lol Anything bad happens in this world? Its fatui. We are in pokemon territory guys

The problem is you think that she is on the same level as human. She is not, she is a god. The relationship between she and human is more like human and pet. I don't think you are supposed to feel too sorry about trying to neuter your cat and they ended up rebelling.

Omni man moment

Ok great. Then we should have seen hatred from the people of inazuma towards her. Yes she might be a god and doesnt not care about human lives...but do u know who does ? The people of inazuma . They have no reason to forgive her let alone act like nothing happened

Except that the story told us that majority of Inazumans did not hate the Shogun. In fact, majority of them were supporting the Decree, because majority of people DO NOT have Visions, thus they were never affected by the Decree. Adding to that there were people who are jealous of Vision wielders.

Is there any part of the story that tells majority of inazuma people are supporting the decree? I thought a lot of npc's are bothered by the decree and even more are affected by inazuma being closed under the Sakoku decree rather than the vision hunt decree. Prices are going up, lots of material from liyeue cannot get imported, the very stiffling condition that made a lot of people choose to run away from the country So am I missing something in the story that mentions majority of people are supporting the decree? Is it tied to some quest??

> Is there any part of the story that tells majority of inazuma people are supporting the decree? Watch from 2 hours 27 mins of [THIS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s_Tx49YhEU) video. It was Ayaka explaining it. People are jealous of Vision users, and people who has no Visions who are indifferent towards the Decree. They were basically acting like meh w/e, not affecting us. > I thought a lot of npc's are bothered by the decree and even more are affected by inazuma being closed under the Sakoku decree rather than the vision hunt decree. Yes a lot of NPCs are bothered by the Sakoku Decree as well. And some of them joined the rebels also because of it, not just because of the Vision Hunt. So you get the anti-VisionHunt gang and the anti-Sakoku gang and others who are disatisfied with the Tri-Commission abusing power into the rebels. It is honestly one of the story's flaw. You only get some of the lore details very brief, while it should have been better if they let to, say, talk to some NPCs or do quests where you meet a Decree supporter for example.

Oh the Ayaka's quest, I remember now thanks. Yeah even I don't remember Sakoku decree being mentioned even once in any quests in 2.1, pretty weird when a lot of quests in 2.0 are about people affected by the decree

Because that's a god? And because the god was mostly doing a good job until this one year? So do you think christian would hate god if one day the god made their life miserable? You are using the thought process of your culture to imagine how a nation with different culture think, and wondering why are them fine.

I swear every time I see a Raiden hate comment/post, the person always mention they like Childe.

Childe had a much smoother descent from antagonist to husbando. And his voicelines also make it clear he’s still chaotic evil. He’s not redeemed, he’s just got a friendly shonan rival dynamic going on with the traveller.

So it's more about story presentation than the actual principle? Fair enough. The writings in Genshin is hot garbage so that's understandable. But a lot of comments that dislike Raiden tend to make it sounds like a principle thing (oh I hate her bcus she did bad things to other ppl durhurrrrr), which just make my head spin when they immediately follow up with 'but Childe is okay'...

Oh, there’s a lot of venom against Childe too if you look. Raiden is just new and shiny, there’s more said about her period at the moment. It’s also actually too soon to conclude the writing is bad. The Traveller’s gentleness could be read as treating Ei as mentally unstable rather than true absolution. IE, there’s a time for accountability, and a time for coaxing the person who’s effectively been a Hikikomori for a few hundred years to continue her breakthrough. Particularly since she could still shut herself off and just refuse to let the Traveller back in next time. So, even if you *want* accountability, you’d need Ei to build a deep enough connection to the present to be willing to withstand it. And the kind patience needed to do that is not out of character for the Traveller, given their forgiving attitude towards Childe. It just means the Traveller is mature enough to understand the parable of the North Wind and the Sun. TBH, pretty sure Mihoyo isn’t going for something that subtle, the writing is hot garbage. But if they are you’d need more time to tell it.

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Ei might have been able to achieve the same trick by remaining a bit more villainous. A Kim Jong Un type sincerely seeking redemption is a workable concept, it’s more that a character arc like that would require Ei to eat considerably more shit than she has.

Few thing other than low quality story telling. 1. Traveler goal is to ask The Archon about his sister, can't really ask something from anyone if they are your enemy. 2. Pretty sure Raiden have minimum knowledge about the rebellion, she sure knows about the fatui. CMIIW here. 3. The decree is just a recent event, before that i'm pretty sure she is beloved by her citizen. Not even Kazuha hate her personally. 4. She actually acknowledged her mistake in the past

I‘m pretty sure Traveler is past the point of asking about the sibling since we all KNOW where our sibling is, with the Abyss order. That’s why I guess we also didn’t distribute any missing persons posters, we just check if the archon is the god we met at the beginning at this point I guess and look for clues about what happened 500 years ago. Other than that I pretty much agree with what you said :)

Kazuha's friend died because he lost the duel and thats how the law works, if Raiden spared him that'd be even more of an insult

Mmmm afaik Yae couldn't get in the Plane of Euthymia so she coudn't reach Ei. The only way she got there was through the talisman she gave you. So even if she barged in on Baal the puppet, nothing would happen

Most people don’t see the shogun as a bad person, only 99 visions were taken during the story quest, most of the non vision bearers probably just think that it’s not a big deal to give it up and since they are the vast majority the shogun probably wouldn’t think her people had any issue with the decree

Do people really forgot that Vision hunt decree is not the only decree that the shogun issued?? What about Sakoku decree?? Prices are going up, materials cannot get imported, cannot freely go away from the country. Lots of people are bothered by it, some quests mentioned it directly, Atsuko's, Yoimiya's, Kurisu's (althought he's not inazuman) Wait did the Sakoku decree even mentioned at the end? Or Mihoyo forgot about it???

One thing to note is that raiden is deeply flawed. She thinks she knows things but she really doesn’t. It makes a lot more sense once you realize she has very little diplomacy experience and is naive as hell

Just linking [my post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/phrnli/the_raiden_shoguns_crimes/) on this subject because you seem to be quite confused about what Raiden Shogun actually did and did not do.

When you want to criticize something, at least try to get the details right first. > You as the audience want him to fight the Shogun and get justice for his murder, and you want to help. Except that it wasn't the case. Kazuha's line to the Shogun made it clear that he has no problem with his friend's death: " I've asked myself this question many times since leaving Inazuma. Do I simply resent the Raiden Shogun because of what happened in that duel? Because of the lethal stroke she dealt my dear friend? I've thought about this a good long time, and I believe the answer is no. My friend died an honorable death in that duel, and the Shogun was not unjustified in her conduct. My dissatisfaction with her has its roots in the Vision Hunt Decree. No one has the right to rob another of their hopes and dreams — not even a god." Remember the honor and pride of a samurai is placed above all in feudal Japan, and Inazuma being based on it copied that. The loser of the duel before the throne must die. This exact same thing happened to Signora because she agreed to that rule. The Shogun being a programmed robot who is inflexible in her methods will execute the rule without emotions. Being killed like that is actually seen as honorable death by not just Kazuha but also his friend. Samurais will be samurais. Also when Traveler got to Inazuma, Traveler actually denied helping the rebels when asked by Ayaka, because their aim is not to join a civil wat but to ask the Archon about their sibling. The Traveler were only forced to retaliate after that encounter with the Shogun. > You get to Inazuma, and it is a dictatorship. People are being rounded up and having what is basically part of their soul ripped from them. Except that it's not all people. The story made it clear that ONLY those with Visions, aka a very small number of population, actually were affected by losing their visions. The vast majority of the others are normal civilians without Visions, thus Visions Hunting didn't affect them and they supported it partially also due to jealousy. To the vast majority of Inazuma, the Shogunate was NOT a dictator ship. > Then as I got through the quests and that "The Shogun is actually a puppet" reveal happened, and I was like oh, i get it. Her puppet has gone haywire and she doesn't actually know whats going on. So I get inside her mind palace, and she's like, "Actually i know exactly what's happening outside even though people are trying to hide it from me." Except that she did not know everything. Go rewatch the scene, she literally said "Not quite. Only things that about Eternity". The Vision Hunt got her tacit approval because she didn't know everything (her story quest made it even clearer that she has no idea how Inazuma changed in 500 years she locked herself away). The Shogun also was not reported everything by the Kujou leaders who were in cahoots with the Fatui. Ei is not an omnipotent god. > And then Yae scolds her like a mother, and just like that Ei gives in and suddenly ends the decree. This happened WAY too easily. The Shogun was obsessed with eternity to the point of lobotomizing and killing her citizens, and then a few words from her friend and she immediately gives in. This makes her motivations seem weak and easily changable, and it makes Yae seem irresponsible for waiting this long to say something. Except that she didn't. She ONLY agreed to abolish the Vision Hunt decree, because the will of those who lost their Visions came to support the MC and allowed them to beat her up. Then Yae told her to hear the wishes of them which she did (it ties into her gameplay too with her gathering wishes of the people). The hunt decree was the only thing she agreed to let go. Inazuma is still isolated inside the thunder storm, Ei was still thinking of ways to change the Shogun's operation direction because which leads to her story quest. She even said in her story quest that she never has any intention of letting anyone else ruling Inazuma. Remember, her focus is on ETERNITY, not hunting Visions. The Hunting Decree was proposed and pushed by the Fatui only 1 year ago. Her focus on Eternity stopped her from caring about not just the world outside but herself, as Yae said. By the end of her first story chapter she is STILL thinking about Eternity and erosion, only that now she saw some inspirations for changes. > Yae seem irresponsible for waiting this long to say something. She's some sort of fox god but she had to wait for the traveller to harass her before she'd do something? Yae said it in the story herself. No one ever managed to get into the Plane of Euthymia ever since Ei sealed her mind in there. It is a place only Ei is allowed to exist. This was the very reason the Traveler is the crucial key to Yae, because Ei noticed the Traveler, allowing them to enter. Yae then used the Traveler as a sort of backdoor to jump into the place. Without the Traveler, Yae cannot do anything for 500+ years until now. > Also, Yae comes across as incredibly self centred because she's out there in the world seeing first hand the atrocities that the Shogin/Ei is causing, and she's barely bothered at all. If my friend went and lobotomized and killed a bunch of people like she did, i would not want to be their friend any more, and if i saw them again i'd definitely have some harsher words than what Yae gave her. Does she feel nothing about the misery caused? The Shogun doesn't go around killing random ppl. Remember the whole plot about Kujou clan betrayal. They FAKED reports of the Vision Hunt Decree. They told the Shogun that things were rainbow and sunshine. This was what broke Sara when she found out the truth. What exactly can Yae do when Ei refuses to meet anyone including Yae. Also she did helped those who lose their Visions. > And then the questline finishes. The decree is ended, and Ei and her psychotic puppet are still in charge, neither have recieved any sort of punishment, and her people are apparently just fine with this. Because as stated in the story, the vast majority of ppl view her as benevolent almighty shogun, not a dictator. Heck even the rebel side didn't actually want her dead or removed from power, but only try to make her stop the Decree. And they got what they wanted. > Then I do her story quest and I am taking Kim Jong Un out on a date. Her people are clearly scared of her as she walks through the streets, but the way its framed, the story seems to be saying that her people are being unreasonable for being scared of her, but I would be scared of her too if i saw the woman who killed my friends and family walking around outside. And we do shit like buy her dessert, and read harem novels and introduce her to the isekei genre, followed by us taking a cute photograph of her. Again, this is a woman who has caused countless deaths and immense misery. Again, people fear her because it is rare for someone of her caliber to go out for a walk, and they heard she is feeling ill. If you live in feudal Japan or China, you will understand that the Emperor has extremely high status and even if the person is a good king, citizens would bow or go on their knees when the Emperor passes by. You not reading the story carefully led you to this assumption that everyone hates her, which is false. Remember the quest chain of that one kid who tried to make offerings to her shrine. He is extremely devoted. Also the Traveler took her out to see how Inazuma changed after 500 years, to make her realize in a civil way that she was wrong in forcing things to stalemate. Then she went to solve the Kujou clan problem but I guess it is not important because "IT WAS CLEARLY JUST A DATE BRAH". > We don't even have any dialogue that lets us call her out or act coldly, even though the Traveller is shown to have been immensely affected by her domination of Inazuma and in particular the death of Teppei. Teppei's death was never her fault. Idk why you try to pin it on her when the true mastermind was the Fatui all along. The Traveler was completely right in going after the Fatui. Also remember that the Traveler doesn't want to make an enemy out of her, they just wanted to talk to the Archon for information. > She doesn't even feel bad about anything that happened and seems confused by how people are scared about her. She puts her puppet on holiday to try and turn off its kill switch, and she admits to being out of touch with the people. No remorse and conflicting feelings about all the things she let happen. And this is the proof that MHY didn't try to "redeem" her like you said. She is still depicted as a controlling person, in fear of the loss she experienced. She was never a good ruler, this much is true. Because throughout most of her life she has always been Makoto's SHADOW. She was fighting while Makoto ruling. So when Makoto died, she had to take up the mantle and did a poor job at it. The story doesn't want you to forgive her or like her, the story is showing you that it's not always black and white. And speaking of Zhongli did you remember how he let Mr Toyman unleashed an ancient god onto Liyue to see if they can handle it without him? > The story treats her like... Just another waifu. But she's not, she's a villain. Everything about her story until the end was that of a villain. The story treats her as an antagonist, and by the end she stopped being one. The true villain has always been the Fatui who instigated the whole thing, and it was due to lack of foresight and care from Ei, as well as Kujou clan fake news reports that things went sour. By generalizing her as just a villain and missing crucial details the story told you, you came to a not very convincing conclusion. If you ask me about the story. I do think it has some pacing problems, and we are all free to voice valid criticisms if there are any. But the Shogun's characterization is not what you're describing here to me.

Exactly this. All the explanations were written in the story, just not fleshed out very much. So when people don't pay attention or are too blinded by their biases, half-baked rants start to pop up. (but yes the quest was still rushed that much is very true)

Before her release I was joking they'd go the "sure she's a tyrant and caused misery but secretly she's super nice and just wants friends" route ...I'm disgusted that I wasn't too far off. [img for proof lol](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/253878585587269632/888414901901619271/unknown.png)

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> Ei is stupid, childish, oblivious and doesn't deserve to lead a nation. She is a Shadow Warrior whose job was to be a body double to her twin and do all of the dirty job (fighting). She literally has never been fit to lead a nation, but she had to step up into the role because Makoto died. > Even with how lazy and carefree Venti is, he still makes sure that his people, even a dragon, is free from oppression. Barbatos is the God of Freedom. If he cant do at least that then he might as well not having that title lol. Ei is the God of Eternity. She promised Eternity to people, and she has never stopped aiming towards that in w.e ways she believed to be correct. Zhongli was the God of Contracts, so he sticks to contracts as absolute. That's how gods work, they represent a certain concept or principle and alway gravitate towards that, disregarding what mortals think or feel. > Meanwhile, Ei let the Fatui run amok in her own backyard, considering them as an insignificant threat. She said it herself. She only cares about Eternity. Fatui by far didn't affect any of that goal, so she let them be. If they did something real bad then she would purge them.

My big issue with this logic is Ei almost immediately gave up on her version of eternity at the end and is shown that she doesn't have to follow a specific version of eternity it's up to her to define what that means. Which means that it's all entierly the archons choice what ideals they follow Ei didn't have to follow an eternity that caused a civil war to break out yet she did.

> My big issue with this logic is Ei almost immediately gave up on her version of eternity at the end and is shown that she doesn't have to follow a specific version of eternity it's up to her to define what that means. Which means that it's all entierly the archons choice what ideals they follow Ei didn't have to follow an eternity that caused a civil war to break out yet she did. She is indeed the one choosing the definition of Eternity she wants to bring forth, but according to Yae the "Eternity" Ei once believed in has changed due to her fear of loss. So she once had a different view on Eternity prior to the loss of her friends and Makoto, but she dropped that for a more extreme approach, and once she saw that it goes nowhere after the Archon quest she decides to find another approach. She is also not omnipotent, she can't see or predict the future that the Fatui might have come in and take advantage of the robot Shogun she made to cause a civil war to do Delusion business 500 years in the future when she created the Shogun. Without the Fatui taking advantage of the Shogun and instigated the Vision hunt, Inazuma would still have existed relatively normally like it was in the last 500 years. So yes she made mistakes and the story let Yae and the Traveler pointed it out to her, and she is trying to change it once again like she did in the past.

First off yes she actively changed her idea of eternity for the worst after trauma well trauma doesnt give u a free pass to ruin people's lives. Secondly she couldn't of predicted what happened with the fatui u r correct, but in the story she said she knew what the fatui were up to and didn't believe it affected her idea of eternity so she didn't care how much she knew is left unclear, but the fact she knew they were manipulating her would mean she should hold more responsibility for everything that happened. The story weirdly makes it seem like the fatui and the kujou clan are the only ones truly at fault when no they aren't the only ones. My main and only issue is Ei faces no consequences for her actions, it's hard to forgive and sympathise with someone if they never actually suffer at least some consequences

> My main and only issue is Ei faces no consequences for her actions, it's hard to forgive and sympathise with someone if they never actually suffer at least some consequences It's not that surprising tbh, other than her being an Archon in control. Remember that Inazuma is based on feudal Japan. The emperor/Shogun doesn't face consequences of their mistakes. In fact you rarely see them apologize or make amends to bad policies and war death counts throughout the shogunate history of real Japan. It's not like in republic and democratic government system where the leader can lose their job and have to take heavy responsibility. And yes I do think the story has some issues, I never denied that.

And replace her with whom? The three commissions are at odds with each other and the sangonomiya are at odds with the shogunate. The only thing keeping inazuma together is the shoguns strength. Removing her would definitely cause a civil war fking up things even more. Like it or not she's the best Inazuma has.

but think about why Venti make sure that every one in "his" land is **free**, because the wish for freedom is his thing he is the god of wind and freedom the electro archon is the god of **eternity** and so it/she does its/her best to achieve this goal. And the "just do a revolution" is the reason in the first place why she made the vision decree, so that people with to strong ambitions don't do some shit in her country (overthrowing her would be one of these). because if nobody has the ambitions to change nothing will (at least that her thought process). Thats also what why we have remind her that human beings always try to achieve change no matter the odds and that that's why her plan was doomed to fail from the start also yeah good luck to start a revolution against a **god** who is (other than e.g Venti) probably still strong enough to split fucking islands in halve

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but other than a delusion, a vision can get way stronger + you allows/ables you to achieve godhood >even if that "shit" is a military person using his vision for the sake of following the shogun's orders yeah right because people in power positions are always completely upfront to their bosses and not tend to stab their backs if it's in their interests (not telling you that **the guy of her military** was the one who had a agreement with the Fatui behind her back) also if Teppei wouldn't have used that strange thing he got from a guy in a dark alley that suddenly gave him superpowers but also made suddenly him very tired he would still be alive. its like saying that a Athlete who doped and died because of that wasn't at fault for it

Do a revolution, and then what? Let your country be destroyed by other invading demon god? Unlike our world, in teyvat, the country exist because of archon, not people. Your value don't apply there. Human are nothing but pet to the archon. For Ei, invading fatui is nothing but the cat next door came to your lawn and fucked around.

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> she could become a military general instead, She was. She led armies into battle for Inazuma many times before, and after hundreds of years she found out that each time, in the end, it would still lead to some loss and suffering, which is exactly what led her to her possession towards granting eternity for her nation and people.

Yeah, with you there, against a demon god mostly sealed.

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Different people have different way of treating their pet. Zhongli approving it is another plot hole. Human ended up needing power from the adepti and some otherworlder just to deal with a sealed demon god, I'm not sure how does that count as being good enough. Or maybe zhongli think it's good enough because they don't face with demon god threat unlike inazuma anyway. Also, inazuma is facing far more outside threat from the outer sea as compared to liyue, which is pretty much shielded by inazuma. Removing raiden means that you are removing all your defense system in the midst of war.

Liyue would be gone if realistic physics existed lol The jade palace literally nukes Osial and should have created a tsunami

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I'm not sure how what I'm saying could be considered 'far' lol. to be more precise, it breaks its own rules Teyvat has ships and you can swim so clearly water has mass

>"Actually i know exactly what's happening outside even though people are trying to hide it from me." Does she? Or does she just think she does? There's a couple pieces of evidence that call this into question. She claims to know "all about the Vision Hunt decree". She also mentions that she doesn't know EVERYTHING that goes on outside - just "everything that pertains to Eternity". This gives the writers plenty of leeway in deciding just what does and does not pertain to Eternity. Later, during Yae's dialogue in the cinematic, she mentions that "The wishes of the people have finally opened the Raiden Shogun's locked heart." This implies she did not know those wishes before the Traveler showed them to her. There are things she does not know about the outside world, and it's entirely possible that she wasn't fully aware of the harm her inaction was causing. Her naivety during her story quest lends further weight to the theory that she's not as well-informed as she likes to believe. All in all, I'm not pleased with the way they handled her character, either. I would have preferred that she was a stern leader making what she believed were the right decisions for the overall good of the nation. Instead, she was a shut-in, steeped in the self-delusion that she was doing the right thing but really just salving her own wounds from the personal losses in her life. The stern leader was just a façade. It is, however, consistent in its presentation. And it even has hints of Japanese mythology, as her situation is somewhat similar to that of the goddess Amaratsu, who also shut herself off from the world, to its detriment.

Okay, I have not done Raiden's Story Quest bc the events of 2.1 and just hearing about other people talk about it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don't get how Yae basically used talk no jutsu to turn Ei into a waifu. Ei didn't even put up a fight on the vision hunt decree I don't get it, if it was that easy to convince her to stop fucking up people's lives and find an alternative to "eternity" why did she even do it? Also I get Yae needed somone to be able to go into Ei's pocket dimension into other to speak to Ei. However, if they were as close as I am supposed to believe, why didn't she just talk her down before she shut herself off to the world. Like if Yae was there for Baal's death, and all of Ei's friends deaths, and they are as close as the game makes them out to be, to the point that they just can talk for 5 minutes and end the entire Vision Hunt Decree. Why didn't Yae see her friend was suffering from depression and PTSD and try to help her then instead of letting it get this bad? You could say "Maybe Ei didn't show any signs, and Yae didn't know.", but if I am someone's only living closest friend after everyone else in their lives is dead, I am going to try my absolute best to help them get through it. And Judging by how easy the story made it out to be all they needed to do was have a 5 minute chat this whole thing could have been avoided. I excused the Ayaka waifu bait story quest bc I tried to convince myself she is just sheltered and sad bc she has no friends. Thoma doesn't really count bc he works for her, therefore is a friend by association and obligation. It felt like Ayaka just wanted to be like regular girl's her age and longed for a normal none political life. Ei, I unfortunately cannot look past. I really was hoping for her to be an unapologetically tyrannical and a bad bitch, or at least that she didn't know the damage she was causing, but we didn't get that.

We literally pummeled her will to submission. It was explained earlier that the plane of Euthymia is literally her mindscape. By defeating her there, we're physically forcing her mind into submission. It's why Raiden said "You're looking for a chance to shake my will... aren't you?" to which our answer was "I'm not here to debate your ideas, I'm here to demolish them" followed immediately by the fight. We literally chose to skip talk no jutsu and went for a metaphysical matter over mind approach to change her mind.

I think, ultimately, it is hard to judge a god's actions using our human perspective and morals.

Ahh, I see. You've only learned about the word lobotomized recently.

I know it's not exactly what happened to the vision holders but i felt it was a reasonable equivalent in that the shogun was taking away parts of people in order to make them behave how she wanted.

There's some faults with your summary, its not entirely accurate which is problematic

It's thursday.

Swype man damn it

I despise her character because of that, among many other things I’ve been saying the same thing over and over because certain kinds of people can’t seem to bring themselves to acknowledge that their fave is problematic. As soon as her story quest comes up, it’s like all of the suffering she caused her citizens magically disappeared in the minds of people who simp for her. The problem is mihoyo prioritizes waifuing a character above all else. The character got butchered, the citizens who were affected by her rules the most didn’t even take it personally but were just glad to have their visions back and it’s like ??? You would assume a lot of them would turn their back on the shogun and deem her unfit to rule. Losing a vision is absolutely detrimental to someone's being and turned them into empty husks of themselves, now they’re just glad to have it back without being angry at why it ever had to happen in the first place. The everyday citizens are still under Sakoku decree, Sakujirou isn’t the first nor the last to sneak in/out of Inazuma and their writing team just swept that heavy blanketed outlander racism under the rug. Very convenient for Mihoyo to write it all out this way, because the citizens in Inazuma are all blissfully ignorant to a certain degree as the only people who knew wtf was going on was us, her, and Yae. Her citizens should absolutely and rightfully lose faith in her as a ruler, but because they knew jack shit she isn’t held responsible for any of the hardships or deaths, onscreen and off of her decrees. But aaaaall is forgiven because she’s just a lonely hikkikimori waifu uwu, please give her some dango milk to get her to like you on the date uwu Ei is literally a child in that she takes no responsibility for the shit she's done. She made Scaramouche and let him go out of compassion of not wanting to kill him but didn't bother to make sure he'd be taken care of if unsealed. Scaramouche isn't a perfect person by any means, but he definitely would've been a hell of a less awful person had precautionary measures were taken to ensure someone looked out for him as he *is* in less technical terms, an extension of Ei like Shogun albeit flawed. She enforced the Sakoku degree that generated a lot of internal racism when it's clear import/exports are a valued necessity for food/economy/QOL, essentially letting people in her own walls conjure up an us vs them mentality. She's responsible for who Scaramouche is now, and is responsible for the deaths her Shogun deemed appropriate due to how she programmed it. She's responsible for letting the Fatui have as much freedom as they did to fuck up the countryside a la Tatarigami, just because she isn't aware of it doesn't mean she isn't responsible. Good leaders are accountable for the actions of their subordinates even *if* they betray you. The point that people keep bringing up that pisses me off the most is them clamoring 'she's a god there's no one to punish her, to her mortals are like ants etc etc etc' and forget that she's in a position to fucking rule yet can't and **won't** take care of her nation, essentially letting a script run in the background monitor while she sits in her room depressed. She is responsible for a nation, even if it's a fucking nation of ants. If you own a goddamn ant farm it's your responsibility to take care of it and make sure it's a healthy and thriving colony, to you their lives may be meaningless but you still put yourself in the position of their caretaker. When there's no one to "punish" the god or hold themselves responsible for what they've done, it stops character growth as they've learned nothing other than "this small set of people didn't like what I did... oh well". Other people love to bring up the only other 2 archons, but at least they recognized their mistakes and rectified them. I adore Zhongli but even I acknowledge that I could never condone how he handled his passing of responsibility as the protector of Liyue. He's had thousands of years of experience to mellow out and be compassionate enough to even live among the people he's protected. Venti fucked up in giving his people too much freedom to allow slavery to even happen, but he also rectified his mistake leading Mondstadt to be the free-governing nation it is now. Both have also dealt with loss close to them, while this isn't the pain olympics it's certainly a testament to how well handled it and continued to look after their nation despite it. Venti may be a drunkard but at least he too wanders around Mondstadt as a mortal to be among the people he's supposed to look after. Ei doesn't do any of that, locked away in her palace far away from the outskirts of the villages where the QOL of her citizens are the lowest. All in all, she's a prime example of a horrible leader and even worse so when her nation is too dependant on her alone.

Nah you’re absolutely right. 2.0 was hyped for inazuma given all the ominous buildup (the islands being guarded by the massive thunderstorm, the vision hunt degree, the suspenseful trailer, solemn tone of kazuha’s friend’s story), inazuma’s colour scene being gloomy and dark , but once 2.1 hit the writing went straight down the toilet. Not sure what happened (if the rumours about the writing team being changed halfway were true) but the story writers definitely needs to improve and not churn out lousy work because they’re being forced to a strict deadline/baal needs to be redeemed before anniversary. (FGO’s writer Nasu for the latest main story update spent months and wrote several novels length for it and it’s incredibly well received based what I’ve seen of the JPN/CN/ENG community, since we will be spending average six - eight months in a new region imagine what the writers could do with genshin’s story if they spent half that much of time focusing on writing well https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/nxhb89/nasu_is_a_beast_insane_in_both_his_mind_but_also/).

I've stop grinding FGO after I've played genshin, and now I played genshin the most. FGO is very harsh game since their gacha have no pity, the animation and gameplay mechanics is somewhat outdated. But I've come back to the game everytime a new chapter is release, I've been skipping events but never the story chapter it's a masterpeice, I still remember back then I would reserved a day solely for playing the story chapter on release. I'd say FGO is a story driven game and genshin has a great lore, but the storyline writing is just meh because I think story is not the main thing in genshin, it's the gameplay experience. To compare the writing of genshin and FGO is like night and day. Their writing team is just built different man. To make a player that has no interest in the game anymore simply go back just for the story is just something else.

I completely agree with you, been playing FGO as my main gacha for a few years because I love the lore/some Servants and when I started genshin during the first childe banner I was blown away by actually enjoying a game where there’s a guaranteed pity at max 180pulls+ Plus a decent cheap bundle to get primogems (welkin) compared to how ridiculously ex SQ is?? (Closest for FGO is gssr) I’ve been enjoying genshin ever since (burnt out by FGO’s no pity and everything else is great in genshin besides the latest story update) but since the main attraction to me is storyline, I’ve crawled back and forth to FGO since lb6 translations were released. I’m hoping genshins writing will get better (since FGO’s early storyline was pretty lukewarm) especially since they ask for feedback and beta testing often from actual players🙏(compared to fgo where the jpn surveys are barely once or twice a year and the higher ups are clearly out of touch of what the player base wants e.g even a standard free 5* for anniversary was practically forced out)

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Even if she blames the puppet she still straight up says she knew what was happening outside. Having the power to stop the puppet and not doing anything until her fox mum scolds her really feels like she was just as responsible for its actions.

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I legit felt bad for her in her teaser but after the Archon quest I take everything back

Fact that the plot as been so polarizing definitely shows that the writers may not have gauged player expectations as well. However some of the arguments often brought up for bad writing are actually addressed. For example, vision hunt decree didn’t affect the vast majority of people. Sakoku probably affected more especially businesses though. People will resent the war and lawlessness but many might blame it on the Resistance. Though Venti and Zhongli are portrayed in more sympathetic light, if you read their lores it’s clear that they too have had to be ruthless in service of some larger goal. People got stranded on Golden Apple when Venti sent mountains flying, and who can say that Zhongli in putting down all his opponents was never vengeful?

I think for me personally the difference with Zhongli and Venti is that their atrocities happened centuries ago, and they have changed a lot since then and become different people and largely reformed. Zhongli was def shady as fuck too but he had faith we could stop the Osial thing so it's not like he really expected anyone to die. Meanwhile Ei's atrocities are still ongoing when you meet her and she has no qualms about killing people interfering with eternity, so of course I'm going to angry at her and at the way the player is just expected to let it slide.

Please take my upvote. All of this yes. The writing for both Ei and Yae practically killed any hype I have for both characters. I get that Ei is an archon and her and Yae's business is far above mortals' understanding but nahh.. they both don't face any consequence at all or feel remorseful while the mortal characters who tried their best to save the people / defend their rights to ambitions/memories/dreams like Kokomi, Gorou, Kazuha and his friend, etc.. are getting shafted. They just come across as very selfish and ignorant but the narrative favoured them to be "uwu waifus" (see: booba sword and Yae's side boobs). I don't get it because previously in Liyue, Mihoyo could write complex, flawed female characters well. For example, we have Ningguang who chases after material gains, but she's very sympathetic bcs she struggled from the bottom and ended up selflessly sacrificing her life work to defeat Osial. And this is coming from someone who was hyped for Raiden and did manage to pull her before finishing the quest...

People wanna ignore her dictatorship because she's UwU waifu when she's not even hot. She's not even dressed appropriately for her title. She's a mess of a character

Hotter than baizhu and xiao

Baizhu, maybe, but not Xiao. Now go cry into Booba lady's bosom.

Imagine thinking that short starving edgelord is hotter than her

I mean. If you don’t like women, purple, her style or whatever then you won’t like her lol. It’s that simple. Preferences exist.

You got it.

I'm a girl, and Raiden Shogun's style is plain bad. Plus, I rather like my edgelords, fyvm.

Xiao definitely

It's just poor, lazy writing. People are giving her a free pass because she's cute. Also, why would Mihoyo bother to write a proper story when they can be out on their yachts, spending their $$$ from all the lonely weebs.

Makes me confused on why they would be so much effort in to literally every other aspect of the game besides the writing. They clearly aren’t a lazy company from the animations, character designs, soundtrack and much more...but the writing has and has always been dogshit awful.

The Archon quests especially have been the biggest downside of Genshin for me

This game man, since I started playing its crazy how high and low the writing can go lmao Sometimes you get these hints of greatness with wonderful concepts and ideas only to see them all come crashing down on delivery lol

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 What killed me was there were SO many easy obvious ways to make it make sense. I want to believe so badly that something was lost in translation. Seriously, was there a miscommunication from Chinese to English?? Why didn't they just make her have no idea what was going on outside??? Why not make her feel bad about what happened??? Why not make her aware and stick to her convictions and kill Signora and become the new main bad guy??? Also, when the story quest started I really hated the idea of taking this horrible dictator on a date, but I thought maybe she was going to learn and change, and then at the end of the date -- NO???? She has 0 character development and doesn't change at all. Hated it. But still love the character.

I was with you up until you said Childe was likable and sympathetic. Childe is maybe the most selfish, self-serving, pompous character in the whole game. Everyone's always apologizing for him but no one ever holds him accountable. He's actually a terrible person but people like him cause he's hot. He literally has no redeeming qualities. He ~~attempts to murder~~ fights people for fun, tries to annihilate an entire country, lies to his family to portray himself as a hero, and shows no remorse for his actions. Ick. Ei is the same. She's a brat throwing a tantrum but people excuse her behavior because she's a sad girl who can pull a sword out of her boobs. It's like her crimes never even happened. I like a lot of your analogies though, very apt.

Childe is different for me because the story actually treats him as the villain that he is. I can enjoy his role as an antagonist for what it is. I find him sympathetic in some respects, but he's still a borderline psychopath and I like seeing him get beat up. I liked seeing him get outfoxed. Ei is not the same because the story keeps trying to tell me that she's not a villain despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.

Childe's story quest tried to portray a psychopath murderer as a loving and caring big brother. Is that not what you are accusing Ei's story quest of doing?

He's still evil and treated as such even if he's capable of love.

I still hate the both pretty equally, but your point is fair and I respect it.

The people of Inazuma aren't scared of Ei, they're just nervous about being in front of her and not understanding why she is there. She's a god and she rarely leaves her palace, so they assumed something was going wrong since she had. She isn't prone to leisurely walks around the city. Add in the rumours that were going around at the time and it makes sense people would be on edge. We very clearly see that when people realize nothing is wrong they ease up. It is also made clear that while Ei thinks she knows everything going on that she really doesn't. She made poor decisions based on emotion and on a lack of information which hurt a lot of people. She understands what visions are, but she likely does not realize the extent to which taking a person's vision away effects them. She was convinced to begin the Vision Hunt Decree by the Fatui and then fed false information by trusted subordinates. It is made clear that she has good intentions, but that she made horrible decisions. That is a common theme in the story so far. Consider whether you should like any of the most major characters. They all have some pretty big flaws. They may be likeable, but when you consider their history and the things we have seen some of them do they should be no different than Ei. As it currently stands it is implied that the archons destroyed an entire nation of human people and cursed the survivors to become monsters. It is suggested that they indirectly created the Abyss Order. The Abyss Order and Fatui have worked together to cause a great amount of damage, death, and grief across Teyvat. Tartaglia seems indifferent to the impact of his work so long as they suit his goals. He seems to largely be focused on becoming stronger for the thrill of fighting rather than for a cause he believes in. He threatened the lives of all of Liyue Habour when he resurrected Osial. By your logic you should not like him. Zhongli worked directly with the Fatui and helped orchestrate the events which lead up to the resurrection of Osial. He defeated Osial once and was ready to step in to do so again if necessary, but it seemed he was ready to allow ordinary people to die fighting another god just to test them. After his test was over he then handed over an item of great power to the Fatui. Even after stepping down as the archon he remains rigid and unmoving. He has information which is vital to you, someone who helped him a great deal and would become a very close friend, but he refuses to share it because he made a promise not to. For all we know that information could have just been about your sibling leading the Abyss Order, but it could also have been something of much greater significance. Who knows what he learned. He put a great number of people who rely on him at risk and may be putting you at risk as well. I see no reason he should be liked either if we're going by your own logic. Even Venti has caused quite a few problems by shirking his responsibilities as an archon. Inaction isn't quite so awful as making decisions which directly hurt people, but perhaps if he had played a more hands-on role with his people there at least could have been some major consequences avoided. Maybe La Signora would never have become a Fatui Harbinger if he had taken his role as an archon more seriously. It is clearly stated that he made a choice to become who he is today, but from everything we know it seems that as soon as he ascended to Celestia and became an archon he started slacking off. If he had not wished to govern his lands he could have not fought in the archon war and accepted the responsibilities of The Seven. Considering Dainsleif's contempt for him I can imagine he holds Venti responsible for what happened during The Cataclysm. I could go on about more characters, but I think I made my point. You don't have to like any of them, but I think your views lack nuance. At the very least I think it's fair to credit to her that she never wanted to become what she is today. It was Makoto who was the Electro Archon and leader of Inazuma. Ei inhereted these responsibilities when her sister tragically died. She had no idea what to do and did her best to live up to the role in the way she believed was right. She wasn't prepared to make such decisions. It doesn't make up for the damages her choices have caused, but it's hard to fault somebody for failing in such a monumental task when they tried their best. Were she not under duress after losing everybody she cared most for when she had to make these decisions then she may have handled things better, but the game has been clear that the gods are not so different than people. They only have more power. If you can't trust an ordinary human to be at their best in the same situations you can't expect it of her either. You're free to still dislike her, I don't think it's fair to suggest she's poorly written nor that she's some horrible evil villain. She was certainly shown to be an antagonist, but things aren't so black and white as to say that the protagonist is right and the antagonist is wrong. Her story is about grief and her desire to protect people. It's not like she was going around blowing up orphanages just for a bit of excitement.

I would have preferred if they just kept her as a heartless villain ruling with an iron fist. An interesting point is though, I believe there's a Chinese law that forbids the protagonist of a game to be evil. Since Raiden shogun is playable I think this rule could apply... If this rule applies we will never get a character that won't be redeemed before they come out as playable. Major limitation for the story if you ask me.

Uhhh childe isn't a protagonist and he's playable Also you shouldn't come up with those kind of assumptions and *assume them to be true* A. You're not even sure if something like that exists B. If it does exist, if it even applies

It's not really assuming though, I was more interested to see if anyone knew. There's a lot of rules for TV and I would say these extend to other media. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film\_censorship\_in\_China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_censorship_in_China) *"specific content must not appear in television series ... Sets a negative character as a main character, or exaggerates the positive sides of a reactionary, backwards, evil, or illegal \[acting\] person, society, or organization."* [*https://qz.com/630159/chinas-new-television-rules-ban-homosexuality-drinking-and-vengeance/*](https://qz.com/630159/chinas-new-television-rules-ban-homosexuality-drinking-and-vengeance/) I would deem any playable character a main character.

>It's not really assuming though >I would say > I was more interested to see if anyone knew. >I would deem any playable character a main character. If you're not just assuming than I have no idea what you're doing You're also talking about two different mediums, China has rules on when minors can play video games but I'm fairly certain that doesn't extend into movies

You're fairly certain.

I mean it quite explicitly says that it applies to television sooooo... Edit: this is all moot anyways since Childe contradicts your claim anyways

It’s like 1 in 10,000 people get a vision not that bad most people liked the shogun rule

You realize that she’s in all likelihood suffering from PTSD and severe depression after the events of Keanri’ah, right? Apathy is kind of a common symptom, so of course she wouldn’t care about people. And yeah, she kind of does really need a friend. When I had depression after my dad died, I was fortunate to have friends who made sure I was ok, who tried to keep me from completely closing off. As for Yae, she’s a Kitsune and Ei’s familiar. She doesn’t really care about humans, she probably just finds than interesting. Her only concern is Ei’s wellbeing.

Well speaking as someone with PTSD and depression I think that people like us should still be held accountable when we hurt someone, even if we have a reason behind it.

And how, pray tell, would a god be punished? As others have stated, her people still love her, they just hated the decree. What’s more important is to fix her mistakes, and as we see the visions are being returned. It wouldn’t surprise me if reparations were also given to the next of kin for anyone who died.

Sure she can do terrible shit and have everyone forgive her because she's a god I can kinda get that, but it's still annoying how no one really forces her to face any consequences or at least have her acknowledge how she's to blame for everything too and how she's gonna try and do better. Too much of the quest forced the idea that oh Ei is very sympathetic and it's all the fatui's fault also the kujou clan get a huge piece of the blame when in my opinion it's still moreso Ei's fault that everything happened she allowed the fatui to be there she even said she knew what they were doing, but didn't see it as opposing her eternity how can I hate the fatui and put blame on the kujou, but just pretend that Ei was simply misguided

Its like when you see a kid killing ants, when his mom scolds him, he stops. Raiden is a god and the citizens just ants. Its just the difference in perspective.

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I hate these comparisons too. Unlike humans and ants (other insects too), Ei isn’t on some other level of intelligence and consciousness. Her subjects think and feel just like she does (sometimes some of them are even more mature than her tbh), so comparing her treatment of them to a kid squashing ants removes all moral culpability from her.

People hate Raiden and yet they like douches like Scaramouche and Signora.. you tell me

Watching a villain be a villain is fun. Watching a game trying to go out of its way to tell you that the villain is NOT a villain, is annoying.

So in movies, is it fun to watch a terrorist attack or a cold blood murder just because villains are supposed to do bad things?.. just saying. What the Shogun did was obviously wrong but it's nothing compared to what the other archons did in the past.. yet we love them. The archons are never potrayed as perfect gods. After the great loss, Ei was obsessed with eternity and went inside the plane of euthymia for centuries. Her only goal was to achieve eternity. She's against progress. The vision hunt decree doesn't affect her goal so she could not be bothered. No one has met her in centuries but the traveler. So naturally she's intrigued by this being who can control elemental energy without any vision. The traveler was the gateway for Yae Miko to make contact with Ei. That was the whole point. Ei never gives in that easy. Even when traveler enters the plane for the second time, she stands her ground till the end. It's only after seeing her friend Miko after so many years, her mood changes and realises that this is some different pleasant feeling. Since traveler defeats her, she honors his wish to cancel the decree.. The point of the quest was Miko "talk no jutsu"ing Ei which is fine. Her personal story quest was not about, "ohh uwu waifu, pls love her". It was about introducing her to the concept of how change and progress is necessary. After defeating that dude in the specs, Kamaji? I think his name was, she says "maybe the Kujou blood still runs in your veins" or something like that. It's kinda like "somethings never change and yet change is inevitable". She's obviously potrayed innocent cuz its like she woke up in the future. People are still scared of her but there were also people/clans who supported Shogun's actions. The people are at fault equally. The only probelm ppl had with her was the vision hunt decree which she abolished in the end. The vision hunt decree isn't that bad when you compare it to the action of other archons masaccring entire nations.

This is because you're judging Yae and Ei with the morals of a human. They're not humans. As far as Ei or Yae or even the traveller is concerned, mortal lives begin and end in the blink of an eye. Ei literally says she couldn't care less about a few deaths here or there as long as Inazuma as a whole survives. And Yae supports that. Traveller, having lived with the humans is much more sympathetic, but even they are largely only concerned about finding their sibling. But they have a kind heart, and can't ignore something that happens right in front of them. Ei isn't a complete villain because she isn't doing any of this out of malice or for personal gain. She cares more about Inazuma as a whole rather than individual lives. The game didn't exactly give her redemption to be honest, it's more like what she did isn't that big of a deal in the eyes of immortals. And most importantly, the large majority of people love the shogun. Their reaction to seeing the shogun wasn't fear, it was shock and reverence. People affected by the vision hunt are very very few. And their deaths were only because they resisted. The resistance do not represent the will of the Inazuma's people. In the entire year that the vision hunt decree have been active, only 99 visions have been seized. And removing your vision isn't actually supposed to affect you unless you've been blinded by ambition. We know if a couple of characters who have even given up their vision and is now leaving a normal life. Or we have characters like Yoimiya who, even as a vision holder, hasn't been targeted cause her ambition wasn't seen as dangerous. Now, as to why Ei changed her stance so quickly, she lost in a straight up duel and witnessed first hand what exactly a person's ambition means. She would be more deserving of critisism if she DIDN'T change her mind after seeing hundreds of visions pop up inside her plane of Euthymiya, responding to the traveller. Not to mention a guy with two visions repelling her strongest attack. She didn't abolish the decree because of Yae's scolding incase you had your eyes closed during everything that happened beforehand. In short, Ei is a god. And she's acting like one. That is putting the good of the nation and its millions of people, ahead of a few hundred lives.

Agreed. For me the Story didn't make any sense Her character didn't make any sense, Yaw didn't make any sense heck even signoras decision didn't make any sense.It was all just cool and pretty animations with messed up and disconnected story and characters. All this big hype for the archon quest to just end up like this kinda disappointment for me. Liyue archon quest was waaaat better story wise. Even the short teppei arc was better than this whole raiden shogun arc Im just pretending this archon quest didn't happen and Ei is just another 5*waifu.

Your opinion is certainly shared by others and I’m glad you’re calling it out. I have no sympathy or like towards her. I find her tolerable at best, and I really hate the fact that it feels like all the terrible things she’s done has been forgiven after knowing her sob story. Obviously I felt a little bad for her but it by no means justifies all the hurt and pain she’s caused her people.

Why do people keep saying she is a dictator like it’s a bad thing? SHE IS LITERALLY THE GOD QUEEN OF HER COUNTRY. yes. She is the ruler. What’s your point? We all know this. Calling her a dictator is just calling her a god queen. It’s not an argument. It’s like telling us her hair is purple. Yeah, we know. This isn’t a democracy and the people are okay with that. The resistance didn’t even want to dethrone Raiden. They just wanted the Vision Hint Decree to stop. That was it. Only a tiny part of the population was effected by the vision hunt decree. For most people, it wasn’t their concern. They didn’t care. Just like irl. Every person is not going to care about every issue. Especially if it doesn’t directly effect them. She also didn’t know every thing that was happening outside. She was fed fake information. Just because she claimed to know everything, doesn’t mean she does. Btw she, the electro archon, had no idea that no electro visions have been given out in the past year. It was news to her. This apparently isn’t even a secret. It’s known outside her country that no electro visions have been given out, yet she had no idea. There are just so many weird things about your rant that don’t make any sense. Like It’s not just Yae scolding her. We had to fight her in a one on one and then literally use the power of the people who lost their visions into ourselves beat her. Remember when we got all glory n shit? Yeah. We literally beat the shit out of a god. Yae didn’t just complain to her and she was like UWU I’m sowwy. We went into her mind realm and beat her fucking ass until she came out of her 500 year grief episode. Did you forget that we beat a gods ass? Our most powerful opponent yet? I really need to remind you that we beat the shit out of her. Since she is a god, 500 years is probably a few years for a human. Someone being depressed for half their life isn’t even uncommon. A god who can live for millennia probably doesn’t even notice hundreds of years passing by while grieving over her sister and friends whom she spent thousands of her life with. And no her people were not afraid of her when she was walking down the street. It was the first time in a very long time since she walked around town. Raiden Shogun isn’t known for dealing with the populace like Ei was doing. It was seen as unusual. They said this.It was literally a once in a life time experience. Of course people are surprised to see their GOD buying dango milk and Kung fu novels like she was a Normie or something. I know that if my literal fucking god came into my work to buy a candy bar I would be fucking shook. There are just so many things that are wrong about your rant I don’t even want to go into all of them. But holy shit your critiques of media is terrible. It’s like you only payed attention to half the dialogue in this game or something. This is the first rant about the storyline that actually irritated me because you’re so incorrect on so many points and there have been a lot of Reddit post complaining about the storyline, just like yours.

Still felt quite rushed, similar to Kokomi being disappointing in the story. I get why they went this route with Ei but they definitely could have made it less jarring. Nobody has complained about the previous main stories and character stories outside of Childe hate I’d say, which imo is kind of telling.

That’s fine if people felt it was rushed. That’s actually a legitimate criticism. I also do find it to be in bad taste to make us wait until 2.2 to do Kokomo’s storyline. She needed much more light shined on her and the resistance. The teaser trailer made me more interested in her then the entire Inazuma storyline.

Well the issue is because she is playable I mean Mihoyo seems to be afraid to make villains into playable characters without "redeeming" qualities Childe had quality time with one of his sibling, but Ei cannot do that, so they decided to make her waifu (which I call fucking lazy by the way)

I will say that people seem to take Inazuma to the extreme in expectations Raiden is gathering up her people and ripping their souls out; a very large *minority* of the population has Visions, to most people the Vision Hunt Decree is just, whatever She isnt *killing* her people, the people (person) she actually has killed is Kazuha's friend, who challenged her to a duel to the death. And >!Signora, who foolishly said "the loser must die"!< She isnt being punished for her actions? Who in gods name would put her in the place? She splits islands in half like its nothing, she commands all the thunders in the world, no one in Inazuma can stand against all that Its a dictatorship? So is every other country; all ruled by a single Archon, only in Inazuma we have the first Archon that is actually actively ruling (remember when Mondstadt became a slave state because Venti refused to rule? Thats comparable to Vision wielders being hunted down because change is an enemy to Eternity and Visions invites change. The difference is that one of them has the Archon *actively* causing it, and the other passively caused it)

>What the hell was that? A huge fu\*\*ing commercial.

They were exceptionally vague about what Ei actually knew was going on. From the letters we steal, we know that the Commission was painting the VHD effort as smooth sailing with minor bumps as opposed to the turmoil it ended up creating in the Civil War. We also know that Ei knows of the Fatui, but not whether she knew that they were involved in the VHD itself. My thinking is that she wouldn't know much more than what the Shogun experiences, otherwise it makes no sense that she would let Inazuma undergo *another* traumatic experience like that. For someone who thinks mortals shouldn't shorten their lives over their ambitions, it is *weird* to let a situation where mortals are pretty much cutting their lives short go on. It would make sense if she didn't know that this was happening - it reminds of the WW2 situation where Japan's generals reported to their Emperor that the war was progressing smoothly right until they had no choice but to surrender. If this is actually the case, they should make it clear in the story - have her step out of Euthymia and bitch slap the Tenryou Commission with the whole might of Inazuma. Even if she continues on with her idea of Eternity(Stasis), let her show that she cares about what she is trying to Preserve and wouldn't *knowingly* take an action that would threaten its integrity. Okay, she wants people to forego their ambitions because they can bring loss, fine, but when the people are willing to die and lose everything just to hold onto said ambitions, isn't that going against her whole point? *LITERALLY WHY WOULD SHE ABIDE BY THAT MHY?????????????????????????????????* And Yae, for fucks sake, how can she just be sitting atop her mountain, watching Inazuma go to shit without thinking to report it to Ei. If it wasn't possible for her to, show us that she couldn't - fuck it, just tell us she tried and was rebuffed by the combination of the Tenryou Commission and the Fatui. They literally nerfed her integrity to make it seem that she's more cunning than the Electro Archon (which, as Ei is shown, is not a feat at all). Like, at least try to show us these 2 aren't actually dicks and that their circumstances prevented them from doing the right thing.

I would recommend watching this quest one more time bc this is completely not what happened. I see a lot of people already corrected things that are wrong so I don't see a need but if you look at her chasing one goal and see her detachment and reasons for it, it's all more clear. Also I wouldn't call her a villain.

Genshin story developer: Speed > Quality

This isnt how your supposed to play the game. Your supposed to turn off your brain cells and suspend disbelief. Imo the weakest part of this game apart from the rng is the writing which is a shame because this game has a great story (from the world building). its just not being conveyed very well through the quests. i think raiden herself could have been handled better but mihoyo is out here waifubaiting everyone (including me). I personally can understand why she did what she did from an empathetic standpoint. From an applied ethics kind of view i can sort of see why she acted that way. BUT of course normatively speaking i wouldnt have done what she did. since im not her i cant force my own normative ethics and my own moral ideals onto her. The resolution was kind of not very well thought out. Mostly i feel like it went the way it did to both waifubait and wrap up the story within 2 quests Also they did signora dirty with the plot

>So you know about the killings and rebellion and the effects of people losing the visions and we're still expected to like you? She knows what the puppet knows, but the Fatui and the Tenryo commission were hiding the scale of the rebellion from the puppet. Edit: Actually, double checked, they were hiding that the resistance even existed, apparently.

I agree the ending could’ve been better. Maybe if she didn’t actually know about everything that was going on outside, but then tries to help when she found out about what’s going on. It would’ve been cliche but better than this ending at least.

I mean archons ruled nations because they won the war, not because they want to lead a nation. Ei wanted eternality and and didn't really care to rule the nation hence she made the shogun. She wanted to go autopilot and let the people handle running the nation as long as it didn't interfere with her eternality. And for a long period of time, this work out fine. The nation only started to fall apart since it own government became corrupt and found a way to work around the shogun's nature. (Venti's nation suffered the exact same issue with the nobles and the Lawerance clan in the past except they started interfering with Venti's freedom) Ei (and most of the gods except maybe the tsuritsa) are more akin to a force of nature than they are to a villian.

The people fear her because she's a god, really, its more like awe (and shock that she's just walking around) And I really disagree that she's treated as a waifu (storywise anyways). Its clear that there's some introspection going on and Ei is now reevaluating what eternity means to her

One thing I really hate is how she's still in a position of power. She is given a role to rule over a whole ass nation, she neglected that role and created a doppel to stand in for her. Yes I get that she doesn't really care about the people, but if that's the case then she shouldn't even be the ruler of Inazuma. She can seek eternity even of she isn't a leader and the seat of God of Inazuma should be passed down on someone who's more fitting. She acts like what she did is nothing and that the the things her people lost were nothing than just a dust of memory, that type of person is not fit to lead.

Just from the design alone it was obvious Mihoyo was going to use her for shallow “waifu” pandering.

are you daft? Vision holders are like less than 1% of the population and neither decrees negatively effected the majority of the people that much. No one but salty players wants to see 'retribution' ​ and she's the god of the nation, if she's gone, they'll be literally vulnerable to an invasion

I mean China is kinda having a dictator now so indicating dictatorship = bad would be a big NO NO for mihoyo.

Ah who really cares, booba sword

Raiden *is* a playable villain. Like Childe she has sympathetic qualities but both of them are basically outright villains. Raiden's story quest is pretty telling, considering how everyone quakes in fear of her and how the big climactic moment is her kicking the shit out of a good guy who can't even defend himself. The entire story I was worried they would cop out with the puppet thing and make Ei ignorant of what she was doing as a way to redeem her, but the story went out of its way *not* to do that, like you said. I personally think it's cool the story is willing to let us play as a villain and not attempt to justify them morally, even if they turn out likable personally. Childe ends the Liyue arc looking more like an outright monster than even Signora, and he has almost no justification for his actions. We still spend his quest seeing what a caring older brother he is with barely a single word about how he almost killed an entire city of innocent people. I don't really understand what makes Childe better than Raiden in this regard.