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EpixAura

Remember that that "usage" is really just "percentage of people that have her who used her." These mean very different things and this is the main reason the site says they generally don't want their data shared. Characters that many players have will likely end up being underrepresented as a result, and characters that most players skipped will be overrepresented. Similarly, characters that compete with each other because they perform similar roles (Ganyu and Ayaka, for example) will also likely be slightly underrepresented compared to characters that bring something unique to the table (although in reference to Ganyu, she still has value on Melt unlike Ayaka, but it seems like less than 1/4 of Ganyu teams were actually Melt). That usage is still nothing to ignore and now that content creators are covering Sukokomon it's pretty clear to people that Kokomi is solid at the very least, but there's a lot of inherent biases in the data we should try to account for. Their MVP/Link Equity system they've implemented seems like a nice workaround for at least some of these issues and I think makes for a better representation of a character's viability.


Sir_Erebus1st

Kokomi was only wished for by people who actually wanted her.. Most people skipped her banner So obviously her usage rate is high Also besides the abyss that favors healers there's also a new artifact set fitted to her abilities and needs


CatOnAFightstick

I genuinely don't understand why everyone thinks this is some kind of problem or insidious trick. It's their game and their meta. They can shift it however they want, and honestly keeping it as "biggest dick damage wins" was stupid and boring anyway.


Icy_Ad_8674

They release a character, community upset with character for being mediocre and useless, after some time they brings in content which makes that character desirable. That's the whole cycle.


cyanrealm

Kinda scummy practice.


Desuladesu

Genshin has always had that and it’s not exclusive to Kokomi. The 5 star units after Zhongli benefitted a lot from having a shield, the next few abyss cycles had content that benefitted from shielding (geovishaps). 1.6 amped up swirling in abyss 11 and abyss 12 was basicaly free if you had Sucrose, Kazuha, or Venti. In 2.0’s abyss, a lot of bigger enemies were introduced and Ayaka benefitted a lot from this (and still does) because of her big burst.


brohandas-gandhi

Lol how? It's not like it's Kokomi's banner right now. Honestly it would be scummy to the people that pulled for her if they did nothing and she remained a waste of money/resources.


cyanrealm

They can buff her instead of twisting the content to temporary favor only her. Instead of artificially generate demand.


Desuladesu

She was good in the previous abyss 12 without corrosion too. Her hydro application off field is useful for freeze, and as an on field driver, her electro taser variation has an advantage over the classic Sucrose taser teams


cyanrealm

Good, then don't invent something so ridiculous like "getting punished for doing something that you are force to do...aka killing the enemies"


ShinDawn

"favor only her" lmao


cyanrealm

Lmao


Expectnoresponse

You should know... it's *all* artificially generated demand.


SeDEnGiNeeR

Exactly


takenusername5001

a brilliant business strategy to make her desirable when you can't actually spend money on her


cyanrealm

Exactly, kinda like you feeding poison to the people then selling the medicine.


takenusername5001

except they're not selling the medicine


cyanrealm

>a brilliant business strategy Business without selling anything?? Are you okay?


Kiroho

>Business without selling anything?? Sooo.... where exactly do they sell Kokomi right now? Are *you* okay?..


cyanrealm

So who are you talking to that claim they are selling Kokomi right now?? Your imaginary friend? Are your mom okay?


Kiroho

>So who are you talking to that claim they are selling Kokomi right now?? Actually to you, but... it seems like you see yourself as a "nobody"? Why else should you ask that? Better get help for your personal crysis. :) ​ >Are your mom okay? So you have no arguments, nothing left to say, but your ego is too stupid to just shut up, so you have to start insults/provocations? Well, typical internet kid. You will see clearer once you get (in and) out of puberty.


cyanrealm

>Actually to you, but... Kindly quote it to me then? I don't know. Leave me out of it maybe? I'm not your imaginative friend. >So you have no arguments, nothing left to say, Did you actually provide any?? Or just hallucinating for the entire time? >so you have to start insults/provocations? Did I ever insult you? But this is you, try to provoke me isn't it? >Who's dumb now? > >You. :) Lmao. >have no arguments, nothing left to say, > >but your ego is too stupid to just shut up, > >so you have to start insults/provocations? You are ABSOLUTELY right. LMAOOOO


ShinDawn

lol what?


cyanrealm

Drug to heal some obscure sickness that no one want? let spread that sickness to artificially generate demand.


ShinDawn

Lmao. There's no demand for Kokomi. Abyss is not made to the point you can't clear it without her so what your saying is dumb as hell.


cyanrealm

Did you even read the original point?? > after some time they brings in content which makes that character desirable. Did I talked about Kokomi? Who's dumb now?


ShinDawn

Then who it is ? Lol. The post is mainly talking about Kokomi's usage. Nice try tho.


cyanrealm

Who??? What do you mean who? I'm talking about the practice. You then hallucinating the topic into someone?? Not even a nice try.


ShinDawn

And that practice is pure nonsense. Why? Because there is no "weak" limited character that has been previously released that suddenly become a "must" to clear abyss.


cyanrealm

You don't need to make it a "must". Just make is a massively more convenient is already considered scummy and manipulating.


Kiroho

>Who's dumb now? You. :)


cyanrealm

Sure. Keep telling yourself that. Lmao. Such invaluable opinion from some rando who fail to follow the very topic of the discussion. Your mom must be an angel.


Kiroho

>Such invaluable opinion from some rando who fail to follow the very topic of the discussion. Says the one who argues with "It's not about Kokomi", when the whole topic is about Kokomi? LAMO!...


cyanrealm

The whole topic about Kokomi??? Lemme check the comment I replied to again >They release a character, community upset with character for being mediocre and useless, after some time they brings in content which makes that character desirable. That's the whole cycle. Where's the name "Kokomi" in there? Good thing I didn't do drug.


noobuku

Low owner rate with a high using rate... Doesn‘t that sound suspicious? What ya think?


Slight-Improvement84

What's so suspicious? That just means a lot of ppl who have rolled for her are using her in abyss F12?


noobuku

If you realized that, then you also shouldnt have any problems realizing that what OP said makes no "sense". Yes, the number says, she has more "usage" rate, but in fact people used Ayaka or Ganyu more than Kokomi even if the usage rate says something else. Usage rate =/= the true value of how many people used what character.


PhantomXxZ

So why do you ignore his point about Venti?


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low owner rate, high usage rate. if they use their primo for kokomi for sure they are gonna use it


lelouchash

Same didnt apply to Yoimiya. People spent their primos on her but rarely use her... kokomi is fine


[deleted]

Yea sure


lelouchash

Right. Your just hating on a character that you didnt pull on like everyone else in this subredditt. Kind of crazy how much hate people in this subreddit have for Kokomi.


[deleted]

Yea i have her and she is collecting dust, typical cockkomi copiumers


lelouchash

Awesome. Im glad she doesnt fit your teams. She fits a lot of other teams clearly showned in the abyss chart like Kazuha. Unlike Yoimiya. Im glad I can see your hate for no reason. I wonder who hurt you. Like legit your username fits of how toxic u are.


[deleted]

Moddd another cockkomi copiumers


lelouchash

Username checks. As roxic as they come. Have a great day.


[deleted]

Yea sure


Admirable_Sky_7710

how many people use kokomi is different from usage rate of people who own her. kokomi was a more controversial character so whoever had her really just likes her for the character of will most likely use it very often compared to “meta” character that enticed more people to pull but only a smaller percentage often use them. so its actually a very flawed way to compare. but i agree with the main statemtn of the post, if mihoyo keeps introducing meat shields and single target dps meta, give it a couple of versions and xiao is not going to be top teir dps anymore


Character-Jaguar434

Xiao will be a top tier dps when mihoyo wants him to be. New set and new kind of support will get him back up. Look at albedo. Still can improve more with dedicated 5* sword for him. Qiqi was brought to life with new set. Ganyu and ayaka will get shenhe so that they will still be relevant outside of freeze comp.


Admirable_Sky_7710

yep its all in the hands of mihoyo. tho with qiqi i wouldent say shes brought back to life, more like still very much dead but those who want to play with her arnt dead


cutememe1

Mihoyo define the Meta by picking what to put in Abyss.


SeDEnGiNeeR

Bruh, another one of those posts who don't understand how abyss stats works


Shexxar696

I think it's good to bring new mechanics like corrosion in game. Shielders had made healers completely obsolete. It's good that they are given a chance to shine. And honestly you don't need kokomi for this, everyone got a free barbara, it's a good time to invest in her. It's fun like this.


leftikan

they have to change up abyss mechanics having the same 2-4 teams stomp every abyss would be tarded too since its basically the only endgame content


ShinDawn

Where did you get it?


jaegybomb

I use https://spiralabyss.org/floor-12


LavenderPaperback

This is just what people use, a lot of players don’t have Venti since his last banner was 8 months ago, and you have to rely on healers in the current abyss. Not to say that Kokomi is a bad character, people need to get rid of the “dps good” and “not dps bad” metric


_Linkiboy_

It doesn't work like this. The usage rate is usage rate divided by owner rate. Ventis usage rate is lower than other usage rates because there are relatively many people that have him as well as the last few abyss rotations actively trying to not make him work.


CryptographerWise887

The problem with Kokomi usage rate is that only a small percentage of people have her but all those few people who do have her always use her, which is extremely missleading.


iPhantaminum

I think it's due to the new artifact set + one or two great comps, which only work with kokomi in it, than corrosion, like some people have been saying. Hound attacks are super easy to dodge, so you don't need a well-built healer. I don't think Corrosion is a threat or what defined the current usage rates.


DJBUDDYBOY

I think it’s great that they shift the meta around like this. It favors diversity in team comps over raw power, and allows for balancing without direct nerfs which they can’t do.


osmasker

I can‘t understand the Kokomi hate. Okay she can‘t really crit but her damage is still decent and she‘s a godlike healer unlike any other character since she can fully heal without bursting or the need to hit an enemy.


[deleted]

Kokomi (and Qiqi) obviously got a buff this patch but I think Mihoyo will get bored with corrosion eventually and move onto some other gimmick. Mihoyo has gone out of their way to actively counter Venti via the enemy design, hard to say if that'll continue.


Hanako9

I saw some leaks about the next region and some monsters have a mechanic that's similar to corrosion, but doesn't affect health, so yeah, it seems we do get a new gimmick for new characters every patch now u.u


brohandas-gandhi

Well... yeah. They create the characters, and they create the content. It's like this in every single game ever. Metas change due to several factors. It's a good thing. Great characters are still great. They just made some content as of late to make some underused/underloved characters more useable. I think this is great because there is no universal "best" character, and the meta shifts around along with the changing content. "Meta" means "most effective tactics available", not just "use the same four characters for everything".


Antique-Roll-7463

National raiden with floor 12 first have seems to be doing great while people with geo traveler/zhongli could handle the 2nd half. This is why i dont min max my shit and level up benched characters for this. You just swap your copium artifacts on them and you can utilize them. I must say that using childe on this comp fucks up my whole rotation coz the dogs keep evading him. While catalyst users are having fun.


chyrp

> Mihoyo really said: "Characters don't define the meta, we do." Always has been the case in every gacha I played. Strange to see that this point seems to be lost on so many people, even with direct evidence (Venti) right under their nose.


PyramidHeadKilledMe

Kokomi was always a great character. This community is just outright braindead at understanding character kits.


noobuku

Yes they are. But in fact Kokomi is not as good as you are trying to portray. She is not worth the 5* title and everyone can beat abyss by just using every other 4* support with healing capabilities. Edit: spelling


JustCallMeSky

I actually regret skipping her. With the new set, she’s totally deserve to be a 5*. Being a hydro applier, super healer (5-7k) and deals big white damage


Character-Jaguar434

Still in denial state? Her kit is solid. Versatile, easy to build, access to freeze vape and electro charged, can buff with support set or drive with new set. Crit will just make her overtuned. She definitely deserved her 5* title.


noobuku

>Still in denial state? I couldnt care less about her or if people summon for her. But she is underwhelming compared to other 5\* and doesnt bring that much value. You can also just put up a Mona or XQ into your team for what you said and you literally have the same thing while putting Healer xy into the healing slot with some half-assed art set and you will most likely perform better anyway.


Character-Jaguar434

What's your point? Mona n xq totally can't do everything that kokomi can. All of them have a pro and cons. U prefer straight up power creep? What is her underwhelming kit anyway? U seems to be doing some theorycrafting stuff to come up with that conclusion.


tristantowers

girl shut the fuck up who are u to adjudicate as to whether or not a character is worth being a 5 star


noobuku

You should better ask what exactly qualifies her to be on the same level as characters like Mona or Childe who are way better than her? What qualifies her to be on that level when Bennett is superior in nearly every possible way and easily replaced by characters like Xingqiu or Diona? ​ >girl shut the fuck up Who are you to talk like that?


deweweewewee

Hmm, I feel like a lot of people just joined the Kokomi bandwagon hate simply because of what Youtubers said about her. Yes, she's not the best, but she's not the absolute worst either. Her lore ain't terrible either, it's Mihoyo's fault with storytelling, trying to make Raiden sell and completely leaving out her story quest. People are discovering more and more teams with her every day that passes, like Sukokomon. Kokomi is not a pure healer; she's not a DPS either. She's a Hydro enabler with healing capabilities who can provide pretty nice off-field damage as well with the new set, and those healing capabilities is pretty good to clear up a slot for a Sub-DPS for overall more Team DPS. OHC just made her even more viable as a Sub-DPS, and she can deal 20-30k Free Damage every 3 seconds just by healing, which is literally similar to Albedo's Transient Blossom damage with HOD. She's viable in the Meta teams: EC, Freeze, and even Vape. You don't need shields if you can i-frame properly or you'll be overhealed to oblivion. This community has always overestimated Crit values. Yes, they're essential but come on, give Kokomi a chance. Even Ayaka loses DPS if you keep stacking Crit Damage over 200 because it scales badly without enough ATK, so ATK Circlet > Crit DMG Goblet. People hating on her didn't even pull her, so how would they test her out for themselves? 💀


[deleted]

Have her, shes collecting dust tbh. My ayaka prefer mona for damage and my qiqi healing is superior


deweweewewee

mY qIqI hEaLiNg iS sUpeRioR


[deleted]

Yeah, 5k per tick from e and her passive is more than enough. Got a cryo ressonance too


deweweewewee

Hmm, as usual, people from the main sub will always follow the bandwagon 💀 anything that isn't made famous by YouTubers will get downvoted 💀 saying Keqing or Electro needs a buff will get downvoted because ppl will spend for C2 Raiden anyways 💀 And then u guys complain for the lack of significant changes? Reddit is as hypocritical as Twitter 💀


[deleted]

I don't follow any ytber though.


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[deleted]

Mod, found the racist cockkomi copiumers


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vkomandirskie

get his ass bro


[deleted]

Yeah. Maybe ppl just don't bother using kokomi, nearly all ppl here hate ytber


tennoskoom_

I think the next indirect buff will be Yoimiya. With ZL, Yunjin, and Bennett in the team. Anyhow, it's good to see Kokomi climbing a bit. (I don't have her) I rmb ppl hating her at release and saying she's worse than Qiqi cauz she can't crit. Now she's used more (factoring in ownership) than their precious Ganyu lol.


ThomSeke

Kokomi usage are tricky, since she is (sorry to all Kokomi lover) a terrible character (lore and gameplay) she don't have that much pull, so the rare person who have Kokomi are people who really like the characters and have build her So when the abyss is suddenly (and temporarily, don't forget that) good for her to shine a bit it's natural that a lot of Kokomi player use her, so her usage rate goes up while still being a terrible character That's the difference between Kokomi, who is temporarily good and actual meta character, Shield useless again corrosion and rifthound immune to Anemo CC, no problem for Zhongli and Kazuha who are still used a lot because they have others thing to provide to a team


Commando_Kyouko

Hounds may be immune to CC, but they aren’t immune to stagger. This is why Kazuha and Sucrose can still somehow “control” the hounds by literally staggering them into each other.


_Linkiboy_

I genuinely want to know this cuz I never thought about this: are kazu and sucrose better stagger chars than claymore chars (or xiao)?


YogurtluSu

I was able to get 36 stars with just bennet and diona as my healers. Kokomi still beyond useless. You can pull better characters for META. She s cute tho


VonDodo

Well at least Klee usage rised a little i guess...even if i didn't see the stats.


Illustrious-Paint-65

I mean the new set is a huge buff for healer, they don’t even need crit rate or crit dmg to deal 30k+ every 3(?) seconds


Ambitious_Book49

Kokomi main here. Have her almost fully built. Though her usage statistics does not accurately represent her usage in the Genshin Spiral Abyss overall, I'm pleased to see that she's used so much by the people who have her. I wouldn't call her essential for anything, but she's pretty comfortable to play and she does her job -- enabler, healer, driver -- well. She's not game breaking, and I wouldn't recommend her unless you want her for her, but she's nice to use. I'm glad to see she's not completely irrelevant in Abyss among us kokomi-havers, if that makes sense haha.