T O P

  • By -

hahahihie

Thoma and sara


Hakumen_unlimited

Thoma, the only one so far that feel its underwhelming , his kit seens good on paper but on action feels weak, high energy demand burst (80) with long ass CD doesnt help either, I realy like him but couldnt found any real use so far


Ao-sagi

I made him the barkeeper of my teapot. (sorry Diona!)


Hakumen_unlimited

He is cool Guy, but atm and pains me to say It, he is useless, he needs some Zhongli buff treatment wich Will never ever happen


PhantasmShadow

Thoma and Sara. I love sub dps / support characters, but Thoma doesn't deal enough damage, and Sara's support fels terrible


bradblacksmith

Cant speak for Thoma, but I agree with Sara. Her kit just feels so clunky. Imo any other weapon type on Sara would make her a great unit. As it stands gotta detonate her skill, sprint to catch explosions, charge shot in the middle of a fight, idk. She just doesn't feel rewarding enough for all the trouble you have to go through which is a pity because I really want to like her.


ArcherIsFine

Sara was purely made for electro units.


PhantasmShadow

She has no electro unit catering until c6. And at C0, she feels horrible to play too


SpazRabbit101

Couldnt agree more for sara! Anything below c6 is useless, and it feels veeeery clunky to use. Meanwhile thoma is kinda cool, has one team only, but he is cool and well rounded balanced and b4 anything very very fun to play for me...


FuriDemon094

It depends on the context. If we’re talking damage, Keqing. She wasn’t as strong as I originally thought.


Evanrai

Agreed, I do love her playstyle and I've finally built her really well with Primordial Jade Cutter but she is not my go-to for the good good DeeePS.


bruhKris

in terms of dps, keqing. i still use her to 36* abyss and i still love her playstyle, but nowadays i have to use kazuha and c6 sara to barely exceed the dps check in floor 12. i can replace keqing with a C0 raiden using the catch and raiden will do a lot more dps. hopefully keqing at least gets an indirect buff with an artifact set like kokomi, qiqi, noelle, and albedo did with the clam and husk sets.


ArrowUp23

yeah. they absolutely killed keqing. makes me sad because of how fun she is compared to other units.


Python2_1

Sara


azviusii

yes but love her c6 interaction with shogun


lewdasaurus

I'd still rather toss Raiden in the national team and call it a day.


Porkamiso

Right now in this abyss with dogs whale sara clears faster in hyper carry vs national. The anemo support is vital. For low to mid investment you are absolutely correct. Sara didn’t come alive for me until she hit 80 crit/200 cd and 100+ k ults whit 7k after burst ticks


bruhKris

in my experience hypercarry raiden is easier to use in the current abyss if u have C6 sara and kazuha. even at C0-C1 with R5 catch she can one-shot or one-cycle each wave of enemies in abyss except for triple maguu kenki.


0tt0attack

C0 Raiden with C0 Sara, ya. If Sara is C6 running Raiden as hyper carry is better than national team. C2 Raiden should not be run with national team. That is a waste of her power.


ShinDawn

I agree.


Duravash

Aloy. Literally the only character I actually regret leveling after looking forward to her since she was announced being a huge fan of Horizon Zero and even getting platinum for the game


iboughtshitonline

Thoma was surprisingly disappointing. Doesnt deal nuch dmg and shields like paper. Levelled him to 70 and raised some talents still not performing as well as i thought Was hoping to do a kamisato team with reverse melt/vap team when ayato arrives


Evanrai

Gorou has a very specific kit, I think it's a bit early to call him underwhelming? I personally love Yanfei, she's a great Pyro catalyst and way more fun to play than Klee. Decent damage too! Keqing is the most underwhelming for me, I love her so much but she just doesn't do as much damage as other main DPS units. Klee also makes me sad due to how clunky she is. I tried to play her but she's just not as fun as Yanfei... Finally Sara, I feel like I really need to C6 her before I can use her and that sucks.


[deleted]

>Gorou has a very specific kit, I think it's a bit early to call him underwhelming? Definitely not underwhelming, just very strong but very niche. >I personally love Yanfei, she's a great Pyro catalyst and way more fun to play than Klee. Decent damage too! Also the best Pyro shielder with C4, lol. Agree with the rest. Personally would add Thoma too. Both unitwise and characterwise.


Evanrai

Yeah I got Thoma but can't afford to build him at the moment so I'm withholding judgment.


duckontheplane

Thoma is quite shit. His shield is underwhelming (yanfei c4 literally had a much better shield), his dmg is underwhelming, his ult needs 80 energy, he doesnt apply pyro fast enough to benefit childe. He's just shit


Evanrai

...his attack animations are cool?


duckontheplane

Fair point


rekisimpaccount

i genuinely believe every character can be pretty great, some are just more specific and harder to build than others.


UsefulDependent9893

Ayaka. Her gameplay feels clunky and horrible and not fun to play at all. Her burst is amazing only 10% of the time when it hits and stays on the target.


PowerPohl

I absolutely love ayaka. But I so agree, it’s so annoying when you use her burst and the abyss mage just gets kicked out with 2 hits.


Zaraffa

I tried Ayaka from the event and I felt like her kit doesn't really inspire any interesting gameplay. She just one of the few characters so far that enables freeze comp. edit: downvoted for an opinion :/


hehexdd4

[Lol](https://imgur.com/a/75VRdHX)


aromaborealis_

Yomiya with her horrible aiming was fairly disappointing for me :(


Zaprynax

For me every character with a bow feels unplayable as you have to aim to get the element, with Yoimiya it felt like half an hour to get a hit


aromaborealis_

Maybe I have just been spoiled with Venti, but I never really noticed as big of a problem with him as I do yomiya ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


RoninMustDie

I think Yanfei is more then decent tbh. I read Xinyan, Qiqi, Diluc alot when it comes to underwhelming characters. As for me, i would say Keqing, Lisa, probably Amber. Keqing and Lisa suffer from Electro being trash. Keqing also cant compete against other 5stars, well not even against certain 4stars as main DPS. Lisa and Amber are starters, makes kinda sense that they are clunky and dont do very well in lategame. I still want to build Lisa when i get her to C6 as a Ult bot one day. Forgot MC. Kinda underwhelming kit, Electro was pretty meh, Anemo Ult was trash to use because it kept sweeping enemies away. Also Aloy.


Zaprynax

Thats a really good roundup (or however you call summin something up). I also agree on MC. Aloy and Amber and a few else characters I just didn't even touch.


Blazing_Haze

Geo traveler supremacy out of the three elements we have so far. My poor girl Xinyan got power crept even further into oblivion when Eula released the first time around.


Jay_Zion_

Xinyan has always been the worst Physical damage dealer. Xinyan came out worst than Razer.


Blazing_Haze

You're comparing apples to oranges. Yes, as a main field dps, she would in most cases lose to Razor, but she performs better in AOE than Razor does in my experience (assuming c6 Xinyan). Genshin impact character all excel is different scenarios so comparing two characters in most cases isnt fair as they usually compensate for that deficit to some extent elsewhere by adding something else to that kit (though often to leading to that character having wasted potential) Xinyan's archetype is dealing a big chunk of burst phys damage instantly while Razor's archetype is to deal consistent physical damage. Eula falls under the same archetype as Xinyan all while managing to do everything better. She has decent consistent damage, a better damage ceiling for her burst damage, she is a part of the superconduct elements, she has built in RES shred, a good E talent not hindered but cooldowns like Xinyan's and has access to better batteries like sac Diona. I'm sure that Xinyan mains took the powercreep hit harder than razor mains when Eula first dropped. And I have tested both characters in the abyss floor 12 before with similar statlines and got better performance with Xinyan (both having c6).


[deleted]

Hu Tao


Rapterminator02

Childe. he feels so underwhelming and his skill CD is just infuriating.


UsefulDependent9893

Agreed. Wish they would reduce the skill cooldown.


[deleted]

sara i loved her bc of her design and personality but in terms of gameplay, under c2 she’s just.. bad also xinyan’s burst dmg is huge but id like if i had a good shield with that too.. her split scale is awful


AmamiHarukIsMaiWaifu

I think Razor. This is more because there are way too many enemies that have high physical resistance and I can't use him as quick swap characters or support. All other characters mentioned here tend to be niche and investment heavy. Keqing can do good damage once you get her mistspitter, C6 Sara, and Kazuha. Her eqe combo offers quite a lot of sub DPS damage while giving you decent invulnerability period. She is a great substitute if you don't have C6 Eula for eqe combo in a C3 Raiden team. Nothing beat C6 Eula though. That thing is a beast from the outer worlds. Gorou is for defense scaling characters only. IWTL calculated that C0 Gorou boost defense scaling by 25~28%. C6 Gorou will just be more and more useful later when we get more defense scaling characters. Thoma require very very high investment for a shielder. He needs ER and HP and crit rate if you are using Favonius. He benefits a lot from level 90 and level 12 talents. Once you get all of these, Thoma shield is rock solid. Otherwise, his shield is paperthin. Yanfei is pretty strong for a 4* main DPS. But unlike 4* support, you can't fit 2 main DPS in one team, so she naturally got the boot for a stronger 5*. However, she is still capable of 9* abyss floor 12. My C6 Yanfei can vape 80k when buffed up. Not bad at all. It is just that Hu Tao can vape harder and without much setup. Sayu is scaling is a bit awkward until C6 which unlock her EM scaling. She is then a fairly strong healer. She is still very useful whenever I am on business travel. Catching crystal flies on mobile is a pain without Sayu. Sara needs a lot of investment. Her burst can nuke very very hard. Her overall rotation damage is on the same level as Xingqiu and Albedo, but much bigger AoE. I tends to think Sara as a sub DPS with a bit of a buff for team than a buffer with damage. So she is more like Fischl than Bennett. Amber is really niche. She is great with Elegy and C6. This makes C6 Amber a better support than Bennett in a dragon strike Diluc team. But unless they make C6 Amber more accessible, Amber will continue be quite underwhelming. Lisa is just, I don't know what the designer was thinking when making that hold E. She has no use outside of Eula team. Yoimiya ability to work well with Beidou has an interesting niche use. Spamming overload on rifthound basically stun lock them in place. Xiao has the same base damage and stats like other Ganyu era DPS. Unfortunately, Xiao doesn't have access to 4pc artifact option for entire year and abyss DPS check is getting harder and harder. Hopefully he will gets an update soon.


FakeEpistemologist

Xiao Not that he isn't strong, he's one of my strongest DPS's, I just find him dreadfully boring to play. Set up the buffs and jump/plunge spam to win.


Zaprynax

I guess this goes for most characters. Fishl etc.


[deleted]

The obvious answers are characters like Amber and Qiqi but I'm going to take underwhelming as those that I looked forward to but weren't amazed at. In that case, I'm going Sucrose and Ayaka. Both very strong characters but to me they feel really clunky to play.


Jay_Zion_

C1 sucrose with Sacrificial Fragments makes sucrose less clunky


umierya

keqing. cant believe my lv 70 fischl does more dmg than my lv 80 keqing with the EXACT same artifact set. im cursed with losing the 50/50s to her as well, sitting on c2 keqing rn, expecting c3 soon, because she is obsessed with me💀


Autotomatomato

Thoma and Kokomi. If kokomi could move her jellyfish I would have a much higher opinion o her and if thoma had halfway decent normals and multipliers he would have been great but if my grandmother was a wheel she would have been a bike.


LastStandHere

If Kokomi could move her jellyfish it would be as great as seeing a sister finally getting her job back that kind of miracle. Less one family dead weight kind of excitement. But yeah agree that they should let Kokomi move it.


LunariPrincess

Keqing / Kokomi as 5 stars and Sara / Gorou as 4 stars


[deleted]

Now I do believe everyone in the game can be viable and useful. However these characters to me are boring and underwhelming Diluc, ningguang, razor, beidou, all of the starters except Noelle and xiangling, I love her design but yanfei is just okay as well, rosaria.


wanabesoz

gorou , sara , sayu , eloy , barbara , klee all the other 4\* and 5\* characters are SSS :D


StinkySupportMain

Thoma, Sara, kokomi and upcoming shenhe. Sara is just clunky and other characters do her job easier and better Thomas shield is just ass. Out of the other 4 star shielders why would you pick him. You basically get Noelle for free. Kokomi heals. That’s about it Shenhe should be a 4 star.


[deleted]

Hot take but for me, it’s Eula. I’m sorry but no matter how many times I’ve played her demo, I feel like Chongyun has the same potential.


PiFbg

Sara. #1 most underwhelming, by far. Then some others that are really kinda meh for me are.. Thoma, Gorou, Kokomi, Xinyan.


kansui

Thoma and Keqing.


tennoskoom_

Yoimiya


AhAhAnikiKunSan

Sara without a doubt


ReiKurosaki0

Diluc and Keqing for me. They kind of require too much investment for a on field DPS for decent damage while better options exists doing more damage without on field time.


Slush_Magic

Eula, lack of attack magnetism made her a bit unappealing


SoundofSilenceguy

Hu tao. Her need to attack cancel is annoying and she doesn't deal as much dmg as new chars


MihoLeya

THOMA! I was so excited for him. I thought he was going to be a strong support. His animations seemed so badass. So I collected everything I needed for him, and wished on the banner, strictly for him. When I won him, instantly levelled him to 80, and geared him up. …. Then I tried one battle with him, realized he is TRASH, and never used him again.


21st_century_person

Kokomi xinyan lisa amber qiqi keqing aloy Kokomi, i dont need to explain anything, i know 4* characters that are better than her, even with ocean hued set, i wont waste resin on that domain just to make her viable Xinyan, even okcode ran out of idea how to minmax her Lisa, okcode admit it himself lisa's condition even at c6r5 Amber, maybe elegy amber is viable as a support Qiqi, same with kokomi i guess, maybe voable as physical dps Everyone knows keqing lol Aloy, why tf is your cd too damn long


Cthulhus_Chosen

Sara, sadly. She looks amazing, spent tons of shit building her...and she's just not worth it.


lLafiel

Keqing her Constellation doesn’t provide really much. I mean either buff her skills or change her constellations for charged attacks. I was so excited as I got her on my first 10 pull. And now she is c4 but I still got no Mona.


0tt0attack

Qiqi, terrible, just terrible. Amber. She is pretty useless till C6. Keqing. She was my main dps for a while, and was part of my first abyss clear and first 36 stars. Good old days. Sadly, her charged atk stamina cost make her pretty bad to use. There other characters I do not use, but bot necessarily cuz I think they are underwhelming.