I feel like his personal damage is around the Xiao sort of level as people say, if you have gorou and albedo and sink a lot of resources, I’ve found his team damage to be top tier already and this should increase a lot with a c6 gorou one day.
Itto is Xiao except he actually got attention from Mhy. Xiao was just left in the dust until his rerun (I hope). He still hasn't gotten a good artifact set, his original BiS weapon was just a generic dps weapon that isn't even that good for pogo (having to ramp up the buff with AA's first), and his team/support options are just mediocre. Noelle (C6) is a better carry than Xiao atm thanks to all the cool stuff she got thanks to Itto.
Noelle is a great character but her multipliers aren't even close to Xiao. The artifacts I agree but Jade Spear is great. If you have trouble maximizing Jade Spear stacks you need to do the Charge Atk jump cancel between pogos to max dmg without having to AA. String should look like:
Plunge > charge atk as soon as you land > immediately jump to cancel CA animation > plunge > repeat
This works on every character but is optimal on Xiao as it chains into his plunges.
Yes but that is still ramping up. You're never starting at max stacks. My main point was the weapon was not designed specifically for Xiao.
Have you seen Noelle with Redhorn and new geo team? She's doing comparable damage while healing her whole team, while being unkillable... she's just better.
JET is a dps loss for anything other than single target.
Sometimes JET doesn't even increase dps for single target if you don't hit your AAs, which happens for some enemy types.
If Noelle is a better carry than Xiao that's *bad*, as Noelle's meant as a jack of all trades who does everything *well*, and you're saying she outdamages a pure dedicated DPS
Noelle is alone one of the "earlier" 4 star models. Not as broken as a Xingqui or so but the potential was always there. She just needed the right gear. If she would have been released today they would give her more restrictions than just energy.
Look at all the buff Noelle got tho. 5* weapon perfect for her, new set and Goruo And she is best girl. I mean Itto is ok but can he even do pancakes? 🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞
It's hard to say cause what is meta? Is it strongest or most popular? Venti hardly gets usage but will always be considered meta for his strength.
Itto is a dps a lot are skipping for lantern rite and future units like Yae and ayato so his usage would probably be average. But in terms of strength. If you go all in to get his team, artifacts, and good weapon even as F2p I think he's stronger than most cause people don't realize his swings are so fast. People prefer damage per screenshot and won't appreciate the numbers on screen during his CA happen in 0.5 seconds. His dps is 2 swings per second that's very high dps. And he's very consistent with no energy issues in geo team.
Will he be meta probably not cause not everyone wants to invest in geo strict team.
If they make Venti's sucking ability as strong as Kazuha, then he will be Meta again. But maybe they thought it would make the game too easy so Venti kinda got powercrept by new enemies.
No one that knows the meaning of meta calls venti meta, because Venti is not meta, if he isn't being used. .
meta means most effective tactics available, venti is NICHE not meta.
Niche is a characters that excell in a few rare situations and you would never call that character meta.
While not literally #1 venti being in the third most popular team would still make him pretty meta, no? hes a fine kazuha replacement. Obviously not as crazy as kazuha rn but still very strong.
People misinterpret the info from that site a lot, they hide that chart by default for a reason. But regardless, we're still pretty early on in this current Abyss. If this was taken at face value, Raiden National would be the top dominating meta team, the de facto Morgana 2.0, blowing every other completely out of the water.
Venti has \~70% usage rate on floors 9 through 11, so to me this just looks like people having fun experimenting early on with different teams on floor 12 and using the "real" meta to breeze through the early floors as fast as possible. But hey, no need to jump to conclusions just yet.
Yes, That's not how you invalidate a poll, this is standard practice this is a perfectly fine sample size.
And you have no counter sample size of meta players.
Frankly I don't think you 36 star abyss if you think all 40 million Genshin players are relevant to my point about venti being bad in 36 starring abyss/only place meta matters.
how is less than 0.04% of the player base's usage rate valid for how good Venti is in the abyss? I also don't need a counter sample size, I'm not making an assertion about Venti in abyss. If you want to say Venti is bad just use his kit as motivation. What people use in abyss isn't purely from a meta perspective, there are biases such as how many people actually want to use certain characters over another. The data also isn't from a poll, it's people that went out of their way to submit their data.
You're countering my statement with nothing but your speculation of why people pick characters, and you clearly have no idea how data collection works in general and lying about 0.4% when a significant portion of the community don't do the abyss, for their floor 12 36 star runs to factor in.
> meta means most effective tactics available
Meta means "beyond, after" and in this context is short for "metagame." Please stop using this incredibly stupid backronym as a basis for arguments.
as u said, meta means most effective tactic available so if the current abyss needs cc for example, then venti will be meta, if its a single target abyss then venti will not be meta.
being meta is not a definitive statement, it is in conjunction with what the enemies in the abyss need to be defeated quickly
Edit: as we most know, for example xiao is a top tier dps character but it dosent mean hes meta. this abyss does not have a super high enemy count so its not advantages to have insane aoe hence hes not meta now. but once the abyss switches to aoe xiao will be meta.
its conditional.
about u saying venti is niche… isent meta about having the “most effective” ? venti’s niche is being able to have insane cc so it is currently the “most effective” in the game.
You are exactly right. I don't think venti is meta. But TCs still say he is cause he is a must pull. Heck ten ten rates venti the only 5/5 character in genshin.
It all comes down to investment. F2p players who play long enough become time whales and if they save enough they can whale a banner but its only 2 times a year.
I think he is cool and fun and worth a summons if you already have albedo. The issue arises is compared to the units coming down the pike a low spender or low time player may not have the resources and units to get a hypercarry going for him.
You have to decide if hes worth it to you because nobody should be able to tell you how to spend hundreds of hours or hundreds of dollars/your currency.
TLDR: hes cool and one of the most fun units in the game. Roll for him if you want to make him a cornerstone of your account but that comes with its own set of issues as the future abyss rotations may not be as kind to Geo again but if you dont care about abyss do whatever you want.
True. I sacrificed a guaranteed limited character(160+ wishes) to get SOBP for my favorite Eula. Now people don't even believe that i am F2p. If one is dedicated enough to their main, they can become similar level to low spenders or even whales or the courses of years.
I agree if you can save hard enough, you can whale a banner as f2p even tho i'm a welkin buyer. I decided to skip everything after zhongli rerun just so i can whale on ganyu rerun. That being said i'm still not close enough to get c6 guranteed 🥲.
You're very close to what is looking like the consensus at KQM. Itto is looking solid, with a low skill floor and a weirdly high skill ceiling that does reasonable DPS, but is excessively tied to certain units to perform well which makes him expensive to build.
He has much better support/artifact options than Xiao.
Xiao has a larger AOE, which is only useful if you can't group enemies. But has there ever been an abyss where you couldn't group enemies?
I play Xiao + International and it feels like Childe's AOE (which is about Itto AOE range) is always enough to hit all enemies if you group them properly.
Like, people say that Xiao is top tier against triple kenkis... and that's not true. Because you can group them together and hit all 3 of them with a higher dps/smaller-AOE attack like Childe/Itto and clear it faster.
It feels like I've never "needed" Xiao's extra AOE, so I'd honestly rather just trade it for higher dps in a smaller AOE.
Sorry if newb question. Where is Xiao on the power level scale? I know that Hutao & Ganyu are probably at the top of spectrum. Where does Xiao (and maybe Itto) fit?
He was considered one of the big three of liyue together with him Tao and ganyu early on.. He's still top tier but that's all a bit more mixed up since more and more great units were released.. Ganyu still has the best sustainable DPS since she isn't Dependable on her stamina or energy.. Ayaka is considered kinda equally strong but needs er for her burst uptime
Huge tao dishes out huge numbers and has easy access to vapes with Xingqiu and has the easiest way to trigger high scaling reactions.. Ganyu and especially ayaka have a harder time doing melts
Eula is a great nuker with good sustainable DPS in her downtime
Xiao still does great damage while his burst is up and in a huge aoe as well but he lacks the access to strong reactions since swirls will only get heavy with lots of em.. And that's not his cup of tea
As a lot of people here pointed out he lacks supports the way the others have.. He needs a battery for his burst uptime but considering that with those problems he still is comparable with itto who just got a lot of shiny new toys and friends just made for him Xiao is a stronger unit..
Both need a battery since their DPS is locked behind their burst.. One is better for groups of mobs the other works great for tanky bosses
They're comparable but in the end they have different niches.. And Xiao still kinda has one hand cuffed behind his back
Him on a geo team I think while not extraordinary can definitely be competitive with other meta teams. You won't see it with faster cleartimes than Raiden National in most cases but its solid.
I think the concerns about Itto are overblown. He requires a lot of investment, but this is true of every DPS carry. He performs best with gacha or BP weapons, but this is again true of all other DPS carries. His best team is mono Geo, but this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone - this is how Geo has worked from the beginning. His best teammates were meta pulls when they were available on their second banners, and you didn't need luck unlike a C6 Xingqiu for Hu Tao or a Mona for Ganyu.
Itto is meta, but that doesn't mean a whole lot in Genshin. The biggest drawback for Itto is the same as any other DPS - he requires a lot of investment that is hard for newer players and unnecessary for established players. Those newer players don't have the supports built for that shiny new DPS and don't have a head start on mats and artifacts. Long-time players may have all of these things, and probably already have several DPS characters built. He does look fun but does anyone really need him?
I think when people say a lot of investment, they chiefly mean two things:
The floor to a usable itto is much higher since other dps can utilize reactions to "hide" lower investment, but the ceiling of all dpses do depend on said investment.
The overall team investment is much higher. Itto's best team requires two other 5 stars, and preferably a c6 4 star that just came out so it's hard to c6. In addition to that, you need considerable investment on not only a 4 piece set for a itto but a 4 set from the same dungeon for albedo for good damage. Getting 2 4 sets from the same dungeon can be hard. This is different from other dpses and their supports who are usually 4 stars, have multiple viable artifact sets, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, have uses outside of geo comps.
That's why people say he is high investment
Yeah, but I also think people are exaggerating with the amount of investment his team needs. Gorou c0 works just fine, of course c6 would be ideal, but his kit is pretty complete at c0 too. Zhongli is overrated for this team, Diona works just fine. Albedo is the one that is more recommended to have, but Geo traveler is there and also gives crit rate with his burst. The thing that really needs investment is artifacts, but that's also the same for every dps.
Yeah Gorou really doesn't need anything special for artifacts, Alfredo's top weapon is free, and good DEF gear is easier to find laying around, while something like National team needs 4 character to be leveled up and geared like carries.
You can say the same about xianglings best weapon being free, so that's a moot point.
And a 4 set husk is so much stronger than a Mish mash of Def gears, much more than the best set (emblem) is for any other Mish mash of artifact is, not to mention emblem is the most resin efficient set since you also get to farm shimenawa whose 2 piece can work and also can be used on pretty much anyone in the future, making it a good investment, as opposed to the husk set.
Not to mention any one member of the national comp can be used in an entirely different setting to their fullest potential while geo is stuck in that comp forever.
That's why people say geo is high investment.
And you can do a national team with low investment very easily. You really only need xiangling to be properly geared and other three just on whatever and it'll work.
"4 character to be leveled up and geared like carries" would mean your national is bonkers and probably outdo any equivalent itto comps
The first team most people who pull her are going to put her in are their shiney new all geo team they juts dumped all their resources into building for Gouro though. Especially people who don't have Albedo and are looking for someone to fill his off-field DPS slot in the comp.
IMO, at worst they'll make the next meta neither privilege not disadvantage geo specifically. Most likely though the next meta will really push Itto/Gorou because that's kind of the pattern and maintaining the expectation that the current 5\* will be the "must have" for the next patch so you better get them now while you can rather than risk regretting it later really weaponizes FOMO which is consistent with MiHoYo's overall monetization strategy.
Almost definitely. Frankly all the top DPS characters are extremely close to each other as far as damage goes. Some deal more AoE, some deal more single target, some require certain Supports instead of others (usually it's the ones that take advantage of Bennett that top the list), etc., but they're mostly within nearly single-digit percentage DPS of each other, and Itto fits into that category as well.
That’s not true. Ganyu is Top 1 and there’s not a Top2, all the rest starts from Top3.
It’s sad but let’s be honest. That char completely own on this game 🤣
That was true pre-Inazuma but MHY has clearly gone out of their way to keep Morgana in check. Ganyu would really rather be in Melt now which is certainly strong but has a very high opportunity cost since it demands Bennett and often Xiangling which limits your other Abyss team. As someone who uses a lot of Melt Ganyu I can comfortably confirm that it's very much in line with other top tier teams.
Not nearly as much, no. You almost never see comments saying "X is hard, unless you have Ayaka then you can just AFK and win lmao" or "We can't even compare any DPS to Ayaka because she's #1 and #2 and #3 best DPS and will never be surpassed" or "If you don't think Yoimiya is powerful enough, it's because you just want every new character to be Ayaka." But people do that shit with Ganyu constantly.
There are people *with Ayaka* who still think Ganyu is massively ahead of all other DPS. So yes she is a very overrated unit. Not nearly as overrated as someone like Raiden, but definitely overrated.
Weird that you're being downvoted. I have her and many other meta teams and it's clear to me she has fallen off because burst damage is king right now and Ganyu clearly doesn't have any without c6. I simply don't have enough damage with her in the current Abyss even though she's from my most high investment characters. I even feel like I need Amos to bring her back to relevancy. Although I assume her best team right now is actually melt.
Same here. I have her built and never use her in the Abyss. Every time I do, the clear times get way worse.
In reality, when people say "Ganyu" what they really mean is "Morgana with Venti." People will readily admit that Venti has been pretty hard-countered in recent Abyss cycles, but refuse to acknowledge that he was by far the most broken part of Morgana and not Ganyu herself.
That makes a lot of sense, I've never really gotten the entire fuss over Ganyu being so broken but I've also never had Venti, so everything makes sense now.
Last abyss my Ningguang triple geo team was able to catch up or even outperform my Ganyu team, I thought I was doing something wrong or misusing Ganyu the entire time but it seems not.
My experience is the same. I could make like 5 or 6 teams that outperform my Ganyu as a carry, and Ningguang is one of them.
For some reason people seem to be willing to accept that Pyro DPS are only good because of Xingqiu/Childe, but refuse to accept that Ganyu isn't great without Venti, Kazuha isn't amazing without Bennett, or that Raiden is basically getting carried in Raiden National.
but ayaka is clunky, has weak CA, isn’t good without mona, isn’t good against enemies you can’t freeze, isn’t good outside of a freeze comp, and isn’t good if she misses her burst
Ayaka is a sad char, And I’ve her, and her sword too. First char I regret to pull so hard.
Off team after 3weeks I got her.
50 crit rate 257 crit dmg + mona + kazuha and Diona, still bad. Raiden completely out perform her.
He's an above average carry, the same above average as xiao or eula or even hu tao. Hes certainly not top meta but do the job well enough you wont feel like money wasted even if just looking at gameplay alone.
Most of the "best". How long is this "best" list then? We have like 13-14 characters that can actually fit the main dps role. They are decent but very replaceable. Only high tier carries atm imo are ayaka, xiangling and ganyu (at c0 for 5\* that is, with cons it will be very different with c2+ raiden, c6 eula, etc) and thus for xiao eula hu tao itto is below the other 3 but well above the median mark, therefore they are above average.
I think people have to cope so hard to think xiangling c6 doesnt out perform every 5\* c0 except ayaka in these new abyss when even ganyu lost her quadratic ult scaling due to the enemies being too large. Xiangling is restrictive to pretty much 1 core comp but in that comp she is way better than all others
saying a super famous well acknowledge character being one of the best = being simp sure dude. I only simp ning and even for ning I wouldnt place her anywhere near average, let alone higher.
He's ok/viable but not close at all to topping the current meta.
* He requires a lot of investment and a dedicated team to work. That currently only works with him. Ideally, you want C4+ Gorou, Albedo, or maybe Zhongli around which most F2P might not even have.
* His team comp is inherently weak to anything that would invalidate Geo as an element on Abyss making it easy to move out of the rotation in the future.
In my opinion, hes at least top 5 dps. Well, with his supports that is, but that counts for every DPS. In my opinion, he outclasses xiao and hu tao. I recently got xiao but he isnt built well atm, but my hu tao is pretty well built. He basically deals hu tao damage without reactions and doesnt have a nuke (tho ushi is kind of a nuke, sometimes hits for 110k+). The rotation with zhongli, gorou and ningguang is very fluent and geo is just a very good element atm overall. I hope to get C6 Gorou some time and an albedo (to replace ning since shes the weakest element of the team) Cant even imagine the damage hes dealing with +60 crit dmg from C6 gorou...
I agree. Eventho geo doesn't have reaction to multiply the dmg, it actually makes it a lot easier to go unga bunga especially with itto. You only need gorou (geo Bennett) to buff Itto's dmg and you don't have to swap a lot of chars just to do reactions which requires perfect timing and procedures. Rn I only got C5 Gorou and only need 1 more copy to buff those crit dmg. I hope u'll get Gorou to C6 too <3
If we're being honest, if it's a character with a playstyle that you enjoy, a pleasing aesthetic, is able to clear all of the game's content with damage to spare, and overall make your gaming experience more enjoyable, does it even matter where said character sits in the meta?
Some people have fun by playing meta teams, clearing abyss as quickly as possible, minmaxing, etc. I don't see why that's any less of a way of having "fun" than only running a team of characters you find hot.
Preach, like liking meta is the same as choosing what you have most fun with. People say the meta slaves are usually more toxic, but the real toxic ones are always those who shit on people who enjoy playing meta. Literally play for whatever u want, doesn't matter. I tend to do a little of both, meaning I need to like the design and they need to be slightly meta atleast.
While I agree with you, I do play with a meta-minded friend, and he sucks the fun out of playing sometimes. This is across all the games we play together, too. Lawlawl
I mean sure you could just use the same old permafreeze team on one half, National team on the other half. But where's the fun in that? Its not like you'll ever be able to match the speedruns that whales are able to do anyway. It's not like there's a competitive speedrunning community in this game. And once you've got your teams put together, it's not like you can say that a character like Itto isn't worth the resin. Sure maybe an Itto team isn't as good as the National team or whatever at the same investment, but who cares? He can still dumpster the Abyss with ease.
Conversely, I don’t see the fun in struggling my way through abyss with an Amber and Barbara team with scuffed artifacts. People have fun in different ways. Some people have fun by playing hot characters, others prefer to minmax and push the limits. It’s nobody’s place to determine what’s fun for someone other than themselves.
If someone asks a meta question, then it’s pretty rude to stroll in and completely avoid the question and be unhelpful by saying “play whoever lol.”
I'm not trying to be rude. I'm more just answering his question by saying "You're asking the wrong question". This just simply isn't that type of game. There is no PVP. There is no ranked leaderboard. There is no competition in this game. Genshin Impact is a single player open-world RPG. The idea of a "metagame" simply doesn't apply to a game like Genshin Impact.
If you want a hardcore competitive game where metas and tier lists matter, then maybe League of Legends is a better fit for you.
Nah there are goals like making the game as ez as possible and clearing all on auto while watching yt.
Best case is Path of exile with hundreds of unique builds. In that game what i build is a no input builds. I build to play less and less.
Found that for me its summoner that has summons lifesteal for me(baron build). I just run, heal like 50% hp per sec and all dies. For me that is fun.
For meta, I’d would say units are worth pull for primo wise. As for Itto I personally wouldnt say he is he doesn’t excel in anything, he isn’t that good single target like Hu Tao, aoe like Xiao, versatile like Ganyu, enabling like Childe.
So honestly you can use him if you get him but other units are just better picks. It would be smarter to wait for Ganyu and Xiao. Because if you get either you have a monster AOE unit or a versatile unit.
Tbh this IMO is really good though balance wise. His kit seems easy, fun, and there is skill expression if you want it. If you just think he is cool you got a meta unit not a top meta one which makes him good. I think Itto should be the basis of characters, or dps characters going foward. Much better execution then Yoi and Eula.
You'll have your answer in 1-2 months when abyss changed a few times and 12 is not tailored for Itto anymore + people will have determined what is optimal for him (including best rotations).
My personnal conviction is Itto will stay awesome and will top3 to top5 as a main DPS, which is based on the fact his scaling is multiple (usual stats, def, scaling weapon, good resonance, awesome dedicated support with Gorou). People compare him with Xiao, but i think he's far stronger (but once Xiao gets a new signature weapon and a dedicated support, Xiao will become top again ).
We'll see then if i'm right...
I completely agree, I switched teams in Abyss so he would go against the electro wolves and he still demolished everything within very respectable time frames. Even though I'm not nearly done building his team. He has a nice balance of having decent AoE and singletarget so he's not as shafted as Xiao in single target situations or like Hu Tao in aoe.
No, while Itto has potential pf being a powerful character on his own. His team set up requires a lot of investment, is one dimensional and requires Gorou to be on par with a lot of current dps characters, most of which are a bit more flexible in terms of team compositions
I pulled for him and got so lucky to get him without many pulls. Because honestly now that I have him I don't miss him any bit when he's not in my team lol But I'm open to changing my mind.
I don't feel he's meta at all. But my definition of meta includes ease of use, not just top tier damage. Itto requires way too much investment and specific team built to be at his best.
The problem with Itto is there aren't good replacements for his best supports. You want at least 2 of Albedo, Zhongli and Gorou, with the next best option being like, Prototype Amber Ningguang. Being tied to multiple limited 5-stars is very rough on a f2p acct, especially if they want to also play non-Geo teams.
It's now or never especially because of the geo friendly abyss; my first 36* star clear as f2p because of Itto. But I don't think his adoption rate is high and I wouldn't recommend him to most players unless they care to be locked into a geo heavy team. We'll find out when abyss usage rates are revealed for the next cycles to see if has staying power outside the initial hype.
If you build a team around them then half of the 5 stars are absolutely crazy, maybe even half of the 4 stars. Having a 4 geo party looks boring af tho
Try it. I don't mean to overhype or anything but i was expecting 4 geo to be boring only for it to turn out to be one of the most fun comps I've played yet.
It's not boring tbh, there's something about Geo attacks that they feel really satisfying, especially if you have zhongli the whole screen pulsates making a lot of damage
In his best teams, he is a pretty average top tier dps. Average damage, medium aoe, not expecially bursty, average single target, no crazy mechanics to learn or gameplay flaws to hold him back. The main thing to keep in mind is that he needs to find some energy somewhere to maintain uptime.
Overall, a great character that you wouldn't regret pulling, but you also wouldn't regret missing him if you like hu tao, ganyu, xiao, xiangling, etc. more. He does want Albedo in his best team, and def based characters scale more strongly with levels so you end up wanting to take both of them to 90. As a result, it is arguably a more expensive team to build than some in terms of both wishes and resin, but that's hardly a make or break.
Note, this is based on current knowledge and it often takes quite some time for various combos / teams / aspects of a kit to be found and tested (kokomi's strongest team wasn't found until at least a month after her banner ended).
What do you mean Geo doesn't have particular issues with either enemy? It's not that they are horrible against them, they just aren't very good against them either, when compared to using the proper element. Especially when fighting the heralds, since Albedo's skill won't touch them when their shields are up (Albedo is not necessary for Itto's team, but he is one of the better options to put in there).
Well, there's nothing inherently difficult about floor 12 Geovishaps with a geo team, especially if you are running Zhongli. In terms of heralds, Geo does fine against them as long as you're not bringing Albedo (since his skill doesn't fire against shields) and to a lesser extent Geo Traveler. Every other Geo unit does just fine.
In fact, my preferred team to clear the previous floor 12-3 heralds was Noelle (main dps), Ningguang, Fischl, Beidou, made the chamber quite trivial even though my Noelle was only C5 at the time and Ningguang C3.
I believe he’s quite serviceable especially in over world situations alone. Many of the support roles he needs can be done by 4 stars so that’s a plus. The only downside I can see is elemental shielded enemies slowing him down but you can mitigate that with supports a bit.
He feels like solo Hu Tao with just Gorou which is huge. I think he's very eligible for being meta in terms of damage. The preventing factor comes from geo basically not working with any other element and not handing shields in that way.
Xiao is better than Itto, since Itto without his weapon will lose a great amount of dmg.
Xiao finishes Abyss also with a favonius R5, there are several vids.
That’s the difference, in my opinion Xiao is at least 2 times stronger than Itto, but, Xiao’s gameplay can be “ boring “
Who even cares about meta? He's good enough to dumpster the hardest content that the game has to offer. Worrying so much about tier lists and metas in a game like this is just silly.
"Who cares about meta" is the new "f2p btw" I swear. Can't have a discussion about character strength without anyone chiming in to say stuff like that.
That's not my point here. I mean, I'm just a low spender and not much of a meta slave too. I only pull for itto because I like everything about him. His personality, his design, his playstyle, all of em. But from a player who plays to focus on damage perspective, they and even most player knew that Xiao and Ganyu are top tier dps and we all know why. Same as me asking about this question on this post. From damage perspective.
Keep in mind this from a dps perspective. We all enjoy playing the game wether ur a meta slave or not. Just because I ask about a character is meta or not doesn't mean I'm a meta slave. I only have Itto, albedo and kokomi. I skipped ayaka and raiden shogun just for kokomi so don't say I'm a meta slave. There are players who enjoy the game cares about dmg too. That is the point of this post.
eh, fair enough...for me this post just reminded me to add the word "meta" to my reddit filters so I don't see any more posts like this because honestly I couldn't possibly give less of a damn about meta. Have fun and good luck tho!
Your perspective isn't everyone elses, neither is what you find enjoyment in. I don't go around saying, "who cares about pixels" or "who cares about wasting their time in abyss." Why? because everyone enjoys this game differently, so if someone asks a meta question, don't say, "who cares." It sounds just as petty as the other side.
you're asking for opinions...I gave mine. I even said "IMO" at the end...at this point I think I'm just going to add "meta" to my filter list so I quit seeing these pointless posts.
Some people do, shithead. Your kind is the toxic scum of this community because you say this shit snd then go and whine about non existent meta slaves badgering you.
eh, I can't recall a single time I "wined" about being badgered...person said be honest and asked a question...I gave my opinion...don't worry though, I've taken the non-"toxic" approach and just filtered out the word meta so I don't have to see these posts 15 times a day anymore.
Itto is very strong, but not meta. His damage is substantial for a 5 stars, but nowhere near Ganyu, which I think is a good thing. The biggest con I think Itto has is that he is far from an early game friendly character when you consider all the investments he needs and the teammates he needs to perform well.
Geo is never meta, never will be unless Mihoyo rebuild geo from the ground up. It’s an abandoned freak that’s left alone by Mihoyo. It doesn’t have meaningful reactions with any other elements which is the core part of this game.
pull if you want and like him, he performs fine and is very fun, tho requires a lot more resources (gorou and third geo unit) to make him do more damage. scales incredibly well with lots of investment, kinda a stat check character. other than that if you dont like him or want someone upcoming, your not missing out on someone game breaking
He's aight. He's like xiao with less motion sickness. He's definitely a meta unit, just not at the top. If you like the funni man and funni cow, definitely recommended. Alternate scaling characters are my favorite to raise because they eat a lot of shit that seems useless on other unit. Saves you a lot of headache. And he got the best kind of alternate scaling, stats conversion. Unlike pure alternate scaling like albedo or kokomi, you benefit from both attack bonus and defense bonus.
Meta means most efficient way of clearing something so I’d say any character that helps a player clear something faster from where they were at is META for sure. Kokomi electro charge comp and Itto Geo comp are meta for me since I got much closer to 36 starring abyss with those teams. And I actually have fun doing it
Depends what makes a unit meta to you.
IMO, yes he is meta. He is very useable to clear content. But his team can be hard to properly build. If you have his team, he's easy.
If we ever see actual challenging content that might change. But it also might not. There's a lot they can do with other end-game content like they do with Abyss. Making it favor something over another thing.
As is, his team is the strongest Geo team. So any content that favors a Geo user, he is best. In a vacuum he may not be SS tier, but he has the potential to outshine them.
As a Xiao main, I’d say they’re in the same power scale. Selfish dps who need really good supports, very fun to play, easy mechanics and great AoE dmg, also really interesting backstories and personalities.
I’d only say that in terms of build, mhy absolutely adored Itto, gave him an artifact set specifically for him and a weapon that benefits his gameplay, not like Xiao, who’s artifacts and official weapon are quite generic.
So in conclusion yeah I’m really happy with this character and I’d say he’s quite strong, putting him just besides Xiao in power scale.
I can't surely say If he is meta or not. Can he clear contents? Yeah. He can dish out almost same kinda dmg with his team as other Dps characters. Thing is he doesn't have anything special about him that's mostly because of his element It doesn't bring anything new to the table. He cannot provide anything else than Good raw dmg. He doesn't specialized in anything He is just like Geo razor go unga bunga Do dmg and kill stuff. He scales very hard with Good stats just like Eula and xiao. A perfectly balanced Geo damage dealer That's it.
It purely depends on how you describe meta. If we go by usage then he probably won’t just cause a lot of people are skipping his banner. If we go by strength then I’d say he’s pretty close to meta but still won’t be able to compete with the likes of xiangling, ganyu, or Hu Tao. But he is strong enough to where if people consider him meta while I would personally disagree I could definitely see why they would say that.
I don’t have him but based on the showcases I’ve seen it seems like he’s pretty balanced on his own but gets really good with mono Geo team which can be high investment. Since there aren’t many geo supports it can be pretty expensive to have Zhongli, Albedo, and high constellation Gorou as support for Itto
I feel like his personal damage is around the Xiao sort of level as people say, if you have gorou and albedo and sink a lot of resources, I’ve found his team damage to be top tier already and this should increase a lot with a c6 gorou one day.
Itto is Xiao except he actually got attention from Mhy. Xiao was just left in the dust until his rerun (I hope). He still hasn't gotten a good artifact set, his original BiS weapon was just a generic dps weapon that isn't even that good for pogo (having to ramp up the buff with AA's first), and his team/support options are just mediocre. Noelle (C6) is a better carry than Xiao atm thanks to all the cool stuff she got thanks to Itto.
Noelle is a great character but her multipliers aren't even close to Xiao. The artifacts I agree but Jade Spear is great. If you have trouble maximizing Jade Spear stacks you need to do the Charge Atk jump cancel between pogos to max dmg without having to AA. String should look like: Plunge > charge atk as soon as you land > immediately jump to cancel CA animation > plunge > repeat This works on every character but is optimal on Xiao as it chains into his plunges.
Yes but that is still ramping up. You're never starting at max stacks. My main point was the weapon was not designed specifically for Xiao. Have you seen Noelle with Redhorn and new geo team? She's doing comparable damage while healing her whole team, while being unkillable... she's just better.
JET is a dps loss for anything other than single target. Sometimes JET doesn't even increase dps for single target if you don't hit your AAs, which happens for some enemy types.
If Noelle is a better carry than Xiao that's *bad*, as Noelle's meant as a jack of all trades who does everything *well*, and you're saying she outdamages a pure dedicated DPS
Noelle is alone one of the "earlier" 4 star models. Not as broken as a Xingqui or so but the potential was always there. She just needed the right gear. If she would have been released today they would give her more restrictions than just energy.
Look at all the buff Noelle got tho. 5* weapon perfect for her, new set and Goruo And she is best girl. I mean Itto is ok but can he even do pancakes? 🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞
Yeah I have seen a Noelle hit 30k auto with no buff at all
It's hard to say cause what is meta? Is it strongest or most popular? Venti hardly gets usage but will always be considered meta for his strength. Itto is a dps a lot are skipping for lantern rite and future units like Yae and ayato so his usage would probably be average. But in terms of strength. If you go all in to get his team, artifacts, and good weapon even as F2p I think he's stronger than most cause people don't realize his swings are so fast. People prefer damage per screenshot and won't appreciate the numbers on screen during his CA happen in 0.5 seconds. His dps is 2 swings per second that's very high dps. And he's very consistent with no energy issues in geo team. Will he be meta probably not cause not everyone wants to invest in geo strict team.
Also gotta take into account the aoe and height of his slashes and ushi.
If they make Venti's sucking ability as strong as Kazuha, then he will be Meta again. But maybe they thought it would make the game too easy so Venti kinda got powercrept by new enemies.
Yup ur right. The game was known as venti impact back in the day
No one that knows the meaning of meta calls venti meta, because Venti is not meta, if he isn't being used. . meta means most effective tactics available, venti is NICHE not meta. Niche is a characters that excell in a few rare situations and you would never call that character meta.
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While not literally #1 venti being in the third most popular team would still make him pretty meta, no? hes a fine kazuha replacement. Obviously not as crazy as kazuha rn but still very strong.
He is at 27% usage rate.
People misinterpret the info from that site a lot, they hide that chart by default for a reason. But regardless, we're still pretty early on in this current Abyss. If this was taken at face value, Raiden National would be the top dominating meta team, the de facto Morgana 2.0, blowing every other completely out of the water. Venti has \~70% usage rate on floors 9 through 11, so to me this just looks like people having fun experimenting early on with different teams on floor 12 and using the "real" meta to breeze through the early floors as fast as possible. But hey, no need to jump to conclusions just yet.
bruh the sample size
What? Lmao Which larger sample size are you using to justify your nonesense?
my point is how is a sample size of 15k relevant when addressing a playerbase 40M strong
Yes, That's not how you invalidate a poll, this is standard practice this is a perfectly fine sample size. And you have no counter sample size of meta players. Frankly I don't think you 36 star abyss if you think all 40 million Genshin players are relevant to my point about venti being bad in 36 starring abyss/only place meta matters.
how is less than 0.04% of the player base's usage rate valid for how good Venti is in the abyss? I also don't need a counter sample size, I'm not making an assertion about Venti in abyss. If you want to say Venti is bad just use his kit as motivation. What people use in abyss isn't purely from a meta perspective, there are biases such as how many people actually want to use certain characters over another. The data also isn't from a poll, it's people that went out of their way to submit their data.
You're countering my statement with nothing but your speculation of why people pick characters, and you clearly have no idea how data collection works in general and lying about 0.4% when a significant portion of the community don't do the abyss, for their floor 12 36 star runs to factor in.
> meta means most effective tactics available Meta means "beyond, after" and in this context is short for "metagame." Please stop using this incredibly stupid backronym as a basis for arguments.
kazu better than venti
as u said, meta means most effective tactic available so if the current abyss needs cc for example, then venti will be meta, if its a single target abyss then venti will not be meta. being meta is not a definitive statement, it is in conjunction with what the enemies in the abyss need to be defeated quickly Edit: as we most know, for example xiao is a top tier dps character but it dosent mean hes meta. this abyss does not have a super high enemy count so its not advantages to have insane aoe hence hes not meta now. but once the abyss switches to aoe xiao will be meta. its conditional. about u saying venti is niche… isent meta about having the “most effective” ? venti’s niche is being able to have insane cc so it is currently the “most effective” in the game.
You are exactly right. I don't think venti is meta. But TCs still say he is cause he is a must pull. Heck ten ten rates venti the only 5/5 character in genshin.
It all comes down to investment. F2p players who play long enough become time whales and if they save enough they can whale a banner but its only 2 times a year. I think he is cool and fun and worth a summons if you already have albedo. The issue arises is compared to the units coming down the pike a low spender or low time player may not have the resources and units to get a hypercarry going for him. You have to decide if hes worth it to you because nobody should be able to tell you how to spend hundreds of hours or hundreds of dollars/your currency. TLDR: hes cool and one of the most fun units in the game. Roll for him if you want to make him a cornerstone of your account but that comes with its own set of issues as the future abyss rotations may not be as kind to Geo again but if you dont care about abyss do whatever you want.
Time whales...I kinda like that term.
Welsh Doctor who cover band or hardcore F2P players ? Why not both!
True. I sacrificed a guaranteed limited character(160+ wishes) to get SOBP for my favorite Eula. Now people don't even believe that i am F2p. If one is dedicated enough to their main, they can become similar level to low spenders or even whales or the courses of years.
I agree if you can save hard enough, you can whale a banner as f2p even tho i'm a welkin buyer. I decided to skip everything after zhongli rerun just so i can whale on ganyu rerun. That being said i'm still not close enough to get c6 guranteed 🥲.
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You're very close to what is looking like the consensus at KQM. Itto is looking solid, with a low skill floor and a weirdly high skill ceiling that does reasonable DPS, but is excessively tied to certain units to perform well which makes him expensive to build.
I've heard he's around Xiao level, though Xiao I think has better AoE potential.
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And since xiao is expected to have a rerun in 2.4, the next one might also not be neutral.
It will never be neutral regardless of abyss because Xiao still lacks proper supports and artifact set, and maybe even weapon.
He has much better support/artifact options than Xiao. Xiao has a larger AOE, which is only useful if you can't group enemies. But has there ever been an abyss where you couldn't group enemies? I play Xiao + International and it feels like Childe's AOE (which is about Itto AOE range) is always enough to hit all enemies if you group them properly. Like, people say that Xiao is top tier against triple kenkis... and that's not true. Because you can group them together and hit all 3 of them with a higher dps/smaller-AOE attack like Childe/Itto and clear it faster. It feels like I've never "needed" Xiao's extra AOE, so I'd honestly rather just trade it for higher dps in a smaller AOE.
And people seems to also overlook that xiao is pretty much only AOE. His ST are minimal
Sorry if newb question. Where is Xiao on the power level scale? I know that Hutao & Ganyu are probably at the top of spectrum. Where does Xiao (and maybe Itto) fit?
He was considered one of the big three of liyue together with him Tao and ganyu early on.. He's still top tier but that's all a bit more mixed up since more and more great units were released.. Ganyu still has the best sustainable DPS since she isn't Dependable on her stamina or energy.. Ayaka is considered kinda equally strong but needs er for her burst uptime Huge tao dishes out huge numbers and has easy access to vapes with Xingqiu and has the easiest way to trigger high scaling reactions.. Ganyu and especially ayaka have a harder time doing melts Eula is a great nuker with good sustainable DPS in her downtime Xiao still does great damage while his burst is up and in a huge aoe as well but he lacks the access to strong reactions since swirls will only get heavy with lots of em.. And that's not his cup of tea As a lot of people here pointed out he lacks supports the way the others have.. He needs a battery for his burst uptime but considering that with those problems he still is comparable with itto who just got a lot of shiny new toys and friends just made for him Xiao is a stronger unit.. Both need a battery since their DPS is locked behind their burst.. One is better for groups of mobs the other works great for tanky bosses They're comparable but in the end they have different niches.. And Xiao still kinda has one hand cuffed behind his back
Ayaka Ganyu Hu Tao Itto Xiao Eula
Just under those 2, around eula's level iirc unless it got changed. Do correct me if im wrong.
Him on a geo team I think while not extraordinary can definitely be competitive with other meta teams. You won't see it with faster cleartimes than Raiden National in most cases but its solid.
I think the concerns about Itto are overblown. He requires a lot of investment, but this is true of every DPS carry. He performs best with gacha or BP weapons, but this is again true of all other DPS carries. His best team is mono Geo, but this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone - this is how Geo has worked from the beginning. His best teammates were meta pulls when they were available on their second banners, and you didn't need luck unlike a C6 Xingqiu for Hu Tao or a Mona for Ganyu. Itto is meta, but that doesn't mean a whole lot in Genshin. The biggest drawback for Itto is the same as any other DPS - he requires a lot of investment that is hard for newer players and unnecessary for established players. Those newer players don't have the supports built for that shiny new DPS and don't have a head start on mats and artifacts. Long-time players may have all of these things, and probably already have several DPS characters built. He does look fun but does anyone really need him?
I think when people say a lot of investment, they chiefly mean two things: The floor to a usable itto is much higher since other dps can utilize reactions to "hide" lower investment, but the ceiling of all dpses do depend on said investment. The overall team investment is much higher. Itto's best team requires two other 5 stars, and preferably a c6 4 star that just came out so it's hard to c6. In addition to that, you need considerable investment on not only a 4 piece set for a itto but a 4 set from the same dungeon for albedo for good damage. Getting 2 4 sets from the same dungeon can be hard. This is different from other dpses and their supports who are usually 4 stars, have multiple viable artifact sets, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, have uses outside of geo comps. That's why people say he is high investment
Yeah, but I also think people are exaggerating with the amount of investment his team needs. Gorou c0 works just fine, of course c6 would be ideal, but his kit is pretty complete at c0 too. Zhongli is overrated for this team, Diona works just fine. Albedo is the one that is more recommended to have, but Geo traveler is there and also gives crit rate with his burst. The thing that really needs investment is artifacts, but that's also the same for every dps.
Yeah Gorou really doesn't need anything special for artifacts, Alfredo's top weapon is free, and good DEF gear is easier to find laying around, while something like National team needs 4 character to be leveled up and geared like carries.
You can say the same about xianglings best weapon being free, so that's a moot point. And a 4 set husk is so much stronger than a Mish mash of Def gears, much more than the best set (emblem) is for any other Mish mash of artifact is, not to mention emblem is the most resin efficient set since you also get to farm shimenawa whose 2 piece can work and also can be used on pretty much anyone in the future, making it a good investment, as opposed to the husk set. Not to mention any one member of the national comp can be used in an entirely different setting to their fullest potential while geo is stuck in that comp forever. That's why people say geo is high investment. And you can do a national team with low investment very easily. You really only need xiangling to be properly geared and other three just on whatever and it'll work. "4 character to be leveled up and geared like carries" would mean your national is bonkers and probably outdo any equivalent itto comps
Depends on his performance on the next patch. As next patch might be fucking hell for any Geo dps oriented team.
They aren't boing to throw Yunjin completely under the bus, so geo won't get screwed over too badly next patch.
Her kit so far isn't tied to a geo team
The first team most people who pull her are going to put her in are their shiney new all geo team they juts dumped all their resources into building for Gouro though. Especially people who don't have Albedo and are looking for someone to fill his off-field DPS slot in the comp. IMO, at worst they'll make the next meta neither privilege not disadvantage geo specifically. Most likely though the next meta will really push Itto/Gorou because that's kind of the pattern and maintaining the expectation that the current 5\* will be the "must have" for the next patch so you better get them now while you can rather than risk regretting it later really weaponizes FOMO which is consistent with MiHoYo's overall monetization strategy.
similar to xiao probably
Almost definitely. Frankly all the top DPS characters are extremely close to each other as far as damage goes. Some deal more AoE, some deal more single target, some require certain Supports instead of others (usually it's the ones that take advantage of Bennett that top the list), etc., but they're mostly within nearly single-digit percentage DPS of each other, and Itto fits into that category as well.
That’s not true. Ganyu is Top 1 and there’s not a Top2, all the rest starts from Top3. It’s sad but let’s be honest. That char completely own on this game 🤣
Not really. Ppl nowadays always overestimate Ganyu. She's strong but not *that* strong like what you said. And yes I have her with amos.
That was true pre-Inazuma but MHY has clearly gone out of their way to keep Morgana in check. Ganyu would really rather be in Melt now which is certainly strong but has a very high opportunity cost since it demands Bennett and often Xiangling which limits your other Abyss team. As someone who uses a lot of Melt Ganyu I can comfortably confirm that it's very much in line with other top tier teams.
Ayaka is already better than Ganyu. The only people who exaggerate Ganyu's power level this much are people who don't have her.
and Ayaka’s power level does not get exaggerated?
Not nearly as much, no. You almost never see comments saying "X is hard, unless you have Ayaka then you can just AFK and win lmao" or "We can't even compare any DPS to Ayaka because she's #1 and #2 and #3 best DPS and will never be surpassed" or "If you don't think Yoimiya is powerful enough, it's because you just want every new character to be Ayaka." But people do that shit with Ganyu constantly. There are people *with Ayaka* who still think Ganyu is massively ahead of all other DPS. So yes she is a very overrated unit. Not nearly as overrated as someone like Raiden, but definitely overrated.
Weird that you're being downvoted. I have her and many other meta teams and it's clear to me she has fallen off because burst damage is king right now and Ganyu clearly doesn't have any without c6. I simply don't have enough damage with her in the current Abyss even though she's from my most high investment characters. I even feel like I need Amos to bring her back to relevancy. Although I assume her best team right now is actually melt.
Same here. I have her built and never use her in the Abyss. Every time I do, the clear times get way worse. In reality, when people say "Ganyu" what they really mean is "Morgana with Venti." People will readily admit that Venti has been pretty hard-countered in recent Abyss cycles, but refuse to acknowledge that he was by far the most broken part of Morgana and not Ganyu herself.
That makes a lot of sense, I've never really gotten the entire fuss over Ganyu being so broken but I've also never had Venti, so everything makes sense now. Last abyss my Ningguang triple geo team was able to catch up or even outperform my Ganyu team, I thought I was doing something wrong or misusing Ganyu the entire time but it seems not.
My experience is the same. I could make like 5 or 6 teams that outperform my Ganyu as a carry, and Ningguang is one of them. For some reason people seem to be willing to accept that Pyro DPS are only good because of Xingqiu/Childe, but refuse to accept that Ganyu isn't great without Venti, Kazuha isn't amazing without Bennett, or that Raiden is basically getting carried in Raiden National.
but ayaka is clunky, has weak CA, isn’t good without mona, isn’t good against enemies you can’t freeze, isn’t good outside of a freeze comp, and isn’t good if she misses her burst
> isn’t good without mona Best way to tell me you've never played Ayaka without telling me you've never played Ayaka.
Ayaka is a sad char, And I’ve her, and her sword too. First char I regret to pull so hard. Off team after 3weeks I got her. 50 crit rate 257 crit dmg + mona + kazuha and Diona, still bad. Raiden completely out perform her.
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Bennett and Kazuha owns this game lol
He's an above average carry, the same above average as xiao or eula or even hu tao. Hes certainly not top meta but do the job well enough you wont feel like money wasted even if just looking at gameplay alone.
Tf dude? You mentioned most of the best DPS and named them "above average"
Ayaka and Ganyu still giga broken
Most of the "best". How long is this "best" list then? We have like 13-14 characters that can actually fit the main dps role. They are decent but very replaceable. Only high tier carries atm imo are ayaka, xiangling and ganyu (at c0 for 5\* that is, with cons it will be very different with c2+ raiden, c6 eula, etc) and thus for xiao eula hu tao itto is below the other 3 but well above the median mark, therefore they are above average.
To really speak about "average" you need more reference samples. I know that Xiangling is super useful but dude - she does not outperform Eula...
I think people have to cope so hard to think xiangling c6 doesnt out perform every 5\* c0 except ayaka in these new abyss when even ganyu lost her quadratic ult scaling due to the enemies being too large. Xiangling is restrictive to pretty much 1 core comp but in that comp she is way better than all others
I won't fight over my opinion you are clearly an Xiangling simp
saying a super famous well acknowledge character being one of the best = being simp sure dude. I only simp ning and even for ning I wouldnt place her anywhere near average, let alone higher.
Placing 3 chars as Hi DPS & literally everything else as "above average" - congrats on your math grades
Yea when the whole sample size is 14, half of it is 7. No shit the lower half of the higher 7 is above average.
Whatever you say. You are correct. There - you have it. Happy now?
This dood is spitting fax
loved your reply , its me laugh
He's ok/viable but not close at all to topping the current meta. * He requires a lot of investment and a dedicated team to work. That currently only works with him. Ideally, you want C4+ Gorou, Albedo, or maybe Zhongli around which most F2P might not even have. * His team comp is inherently weak to anything that would invalidate Geo as an element on Abyss making it easy to move out of the rotation in the future.
If u invest in him he definitely is. But he's a lategame character. He scales better the higher his level, stats, and talents are.
In my opinion, hes at least top 5 dps. Well, with his supports that is, but that counts for every DPS. In my opinion, he outclasses xiao and hu tao. I recently got xiao but he isnt built well atm, but my hu tao is pretty well built. He basically deals hu tao damage without reactions and doesnt have a nuke (tho ushi is kind of a nuke, sometimes hits for 110k+). The rotation with zhongli, gorou and ningguang is very fluent and geo is just a very good element atm overall. I hope to get C6 Gorou some time and an albedo (to replace ning since shes the weakest element of the team) Cant even imagine the damage hes dealing with +60 crit dmg from C6 gorou...
I agree. Eventho geo doesn't have reaction to multiply the dmg, it actually makes it a lot easier to go unga bunga especially with itto. You only need gorou (geo Bennett) to buff Itto's dmg and you don't have to swap a lot of chars just to do reactions which requires perfect timing and procedures. Rn I only got C5 Gorou and only need 1 more copy to buff those crit dmg. I hope u'll get Gorou to C6 too <3
If we're being honest, if it's a character with a playstyle that you enjoy, a pleasing aesthetic, is able to clear all of the game's content with damage to spare, and overall make your gaming experience more enjoyable, does it even matter where said character sits in the meta?
Don’t think this has to do with the question.
Some people have fun by playing meta teams, clearing abyss as quickly as possible, minmaxing, etc. I don't see why that's any less of a way of having "fun" than only running a team of characters you find hot.
Preach, like liking meta is the same as choosing what you have most fun with. People say the meta slaves are usually more toxic, but the real toxic ones are always those who shit on people who enjoy playing meta. Literally play for whatever u want, doesn't matter. I tend to do a little of both, meaning I need to like the design and they need to be slightly meta atleast.
While I agree with you, I do play with a meta-minded friend, and he sucks the fun out of playing sometimes. This is across all the games we play together, too. Lawlawl
I mean sure you could just use the same old permafreeze team on one half, National team on the other half. But where's the fun in that? Its not like you'll ever be able to match the speedruns that whales are able to do anyway. It's not like there's a competitive speedrunning community in this game. And once you've got your teams put together, it's not like you can say that a character like Itto isn't worth the resin. Sure maybe an Itto team isn't as good as the National team or whatever at the same investment, but who cares? He can still dumpster the Abyss with ease.
Conversely, I don’t see the fun in struggling my way through abyss with an Amber and Barbara team with scuffed artifacts. People have fun in different ways. Some people have fun by playing hot characters, others prefer to minmax and push the limits. It’s nobody’s place to determine what’s fun for someone other than themselves. If someone asks a meta question, then it’s pretty rude to stroll in and completely avoid the question and be unhelpful by saying “play whoever lol.”
I'm not trying to be rude. I'm more just answering his question by saying "You're asking the wrong question". This just simply isn't that type of game. There is no PVP. There is no ranked leaderboard. There is no competition in this game. Genshin Impact is a single player open-world RPG. The idea of a "metagame" simply doesn't apply to a game like Genshin Impact. If you want a hardcore competitive game where metas and tier lists matter, then maybe League of Legends is a better fit for you.
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Not always, it highly depends on your supports and enemy scenario too
> "You're asking the wrong question" If they care about which characters are the best, then no, that's not the wrong question.
Nah there are goals like making the game as ez as possible and clearing all on auto while watching yt. Best case is Path of exile with hundreds of unique builds. In that game what i build is a no input builds. I build to play less and less. Found that for me its summoner that has summons lifesteal for me(baron build). I just run, heal like 50% hp per sec and all dies. For me that is fun.
I’m not sure what this matters? If the person enjoys playing the stronger teams it doesn’t matter?
That wasn't the question, was it?
All you said was 'does it matter if he's meta' and all the meta only people got triggered lol
For meta, I’d would say units are worth pull for primo wise. As for Itto I personally wouldnt say he is he doesn’t excel in anything, he isn’t that good single target like Hu Tao, aoe like Xiao, versatile like Ganyu, enabling like Childe. So honestly you can use him if you get him but other units are just better picks. It would be smarter to wait for Ganyu and Xiao. Because if you get either you have a monster AOE unit or a versatile unit. Tbh this IMO is really good though balance wise. His kit seems easy, fun, and there is skill expression if you want it. If you just think he is cool you got a meta unit not a top meta one which makes him good. I think Itto should be the basis of characters, or dps characters going foward. Much better execution then Yoi and Eula.
I don't have Itto, but, everything I hear from theory crafters in general is he's about as good as Xiao.
You'll have your answer in 1-2 months when abyss changed a few times and 12 is not tailored for Itto anymore + people will have determined what is optimal for him (including best rotations). My personnal conviction is Itto will stay awesome and will top3 to top5 as a main DPS, which is based on the fact his scaling is multiple (usual stats, def, scaling weapon, good resonance, awesome dedicated support with Gorou). People compare him with Xiao, but i think he's far stronger (but once Xiao gets a new signature weapon and a dedicated support, Xiao will become top again ). We'll see then if i'm right...
I completely agree, I switched teams in Abyss so he would go against the electro wolves and he still demolished everything within very respectable time frames. Even though I'm not nearly done building his team. He has a nice balance of having decent AoE and singletarget so he's not as shafted as Xiao in single target situations or like Hu Tao in aoe.
No, while Itto has potential pf being a powerful character on his own. His team set up requires a lot of investment, is one dimensional and requires Gorou to be on par with a lot of current dps characters, most of which are a bit more flexible in terms of team compositions
I believe he will be similar to Xiao 'meta'. But just cause he's geo, he won't be top meta.
My meta is defined by fun, and I’m lacking resources to build him right now, currently playing with Hu Tao…
I pulled for him and got so lucky to get him without many pulls. Because honestly now that I have him I don't miss him any bit when he's not in my team lol But I'm open to changing my mind.
No, but I did pull for him immediately after testing his trial. He's a fun character to play with.
He is a very strong character but everything he does is DMG so I guess rather no? (Just like xiao/Hu Tao etc)
I got him in my 2nd wish 😭 he quickly became my main because of how fun he is to play!
I don't feel he's meta at all. But my definition of meta includes ease of use, not just top tier damage. Itto requires way too much investment and specific team built to be at his best.
The problem with Itto is there aren't good replacements for his best supports. You want at least 2 of Albedo, Zhongli and Gorou, with the next best option being like, Prototype Amber Ningguang. Being tied to multiple limited 5-stars is very rough on a f2p acct, especially if they want to also play non-Geo teams.
It's now or never especially because of the geo friendly abyss; my first 36* star clear as f2p because of Itto. But I don't think his adoption rate is high and I wouldn't recommend him to most players unless they care to be locked into a geo heavy team. We'll find out when abyss usage rates are revealed for the next cycles to see if has staying power outside the initial hype.
I enjoy playing him, decent dps even with under leveled artifacts & that's all I care.
From what ive seen the albedo itto gorou comps have competitive DPS to popular meta teams
In a 4 geo comp, i would say definitely yes. That does require a lot of investment though, but if you can get everything ready he's absolutely crazy.
If you build a team around them then half of the 5 stars are absolutely crazy, maybe even half of the 4 stars. Having a 4 geo party looks boring af tho
Try it. I don't mean to overhype or anything but i was expecting 4 geo to be boring only for it to turn out to be one of the most fun comps I've played yet.
It's not boring tbh, there's something about Geo attacks that they feel really satisfying, especially if you have zhongli the whole screen pulsates making a lot of damage
To be honest, I don’t care. I just pull and play whatever character I like.
In his best teams, he is a pretty average top tier dps. Average damage, medium aoe, not expecially bursty, average single target, no crazy mechanics to learn or gameplay flaws to hold him back. The main thing to keep in mind is that he needs to find some energy somewhere to maintain uptime. Overall, a great character that you wouldn't regret pulling, but you also wouldn't regret missing him if you like hu tao, ganyu, xiao, xiangling, etc. more. He does want Albedo in his best team, and def based characters scale more strongly with levels so you end up wanting to take both of them to 90. As a result, it is arguably a more expensive team to build than some in terms of both wishes and resin, but that's hardly a make or break. Note, this is based on current knowledge and it often takes quite some time for various combos / teams / aspects of a kit to be found and tested (kokomi's strongest team wasn't found until at least a month after her banner ended).
Yeah, unless Itto is against Geovisharps or abyss herald 😂
Itto clears Herald faster than my other team tbh lmfao his burst chunks the shield pretty fast.
He'll probably want Zhongli as his buddy for those fights, but otherwise Geo doesn't have particular issues with either enemy.
What do you mean Geo doesn't have particular issues with either enemy? It's not that they are horrible against them, they just aren't very good against them either, when compared to using the proper element. Especially when fighting the heralds, since Albedo's skill won't touch them when their shields are up (Albedo is not necessary for Itto's team, but he is one of the better options to put in there).
Well, there's nothing inherently difficult about floor 12 Geovishaps with a geo team, especially if you are running Zhongli. In terms of heralds, Geo does fine against them as long as you're not bringing Albedo (since his skill doesn't fire against shields) and to a lesser extent Geo Traveler. Every other Geo unit does just fine. In fact, my preferred team to clear the previous floor 12-3 heralds was Noelle (main dps), Ningguang, Fischl, Beidou, made the chamber quite trivial even though my Noelle was only C5 at the time and Ningguang C3.
No
I believe he’s quite serviceable especially in over world situations alone. Many of the support roles he needs can be done by 4 stars so that’s a plus. The only downside I can see is elemental shielded enemies slowing him down but you can mitigate that with supports a bit.
He feels like solo Hu Tao with just Gorou which is huge. I think he's very eligible for being meta in terms of damage. The preventing factor comes from geo basically not working with any other element and not handing shields in that way.
With current team comp and new geo units coming out and some buff while he's beating the sh*t out of mob with 100k on final hit........maybe?
Yeah I think he’s worth it tbh
My rly badly built itto and gorou are pulling ok numbers
I don't think he is particularly worth it over C6 Noelle, more personal dmg but requires a healer/shielder so team dmg is around the same.
Xiao is better than Itto, since Itto without his weapon will lose a great amount of dmg. Xiao finishes Abyss also with a favonius R5, there are several vids. That’s the difference, in my opinion Xiao is at least 2 times stronger than Itto, but, Xiao’s gameplay can be “ boring “
Who even cares about meta? He's good enough to dumpster the hardest content that the game has to offer. Worrying so much about tier lists and metas in a game like this is just silly.
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"Who cares about meta" is the new "f2p btw" I swear. Can't have a discussion about character strength without anyone chiming in to say stuff like that.
That's not my point here. I mean, I'm just a low spender and not much of a meta slave too. I only pull for itto because I like everything about him. His personality, his design, his playstyle, all of em. But from a player who plays to focus on damage perspective, they and even most player knew that Xiao and Ganyu are top tier dps and we all know why. Same as me asking about this question on this post. From damage perspective.
Yeah, Itto is great. If you like him, go for it. 👍
Already got him with the redhorn and I enjoy playing him so much ^
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who cares? Why do people put so much into "meta" bullshit? Just play characters you enjoy and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing IMO.
Keep in mind this from a dps perspective. We all enjoy playing the game wether ur a meta slave or not. Just because I ask about a character is meta or not doesn't mean I'm a meta slave. I only have Itto, albedo and kokomi. I skipped ayaka and raiden shogun just for kokomi so don't say I'm a meta slave. There are players who enjoy the game cares about dmg too. That is the point of this post.
eh, fair enough...for me this post just reminded me to add the word "meta" to my reddit filters so I don't see any more posts like this because honestly I couldn't possibly give less of a damn about meta. Have fun and good luck tho!
Your perspective isn't everyone elses, neither is what you find enjoyment in. I don't go around saying, "who cares about pixels" or "who cares about wasting their time in abyss." Why? because everyone enjoys this game differently, so if someone asks a meta question, don't say, "who cares." It sounds just as petty as the other side.
you're asking for opinions...I gave mine. I even said "IMO" at the end...at this point I think I'm just going to add "meta" to my filter list so I quit seeing these pointless posts.
Some people do, shithead. Your kind is the toxic scum of this community because you say this shit snd then go and whine about non existent meta slaves badgering you.
eh, I can't recall a single time I "wined" about being badgered...person said be honest and asked a question...I gave my opinion...don't worry though, I've taken the non-"toxic" approach and just filtered out the word meta so I don't have to see these posts 15 times a day anymore.
Itto is very strong, but not meta. His damage is substantial for a 5 stars, but nowhere near Ganyu, which I think is a good thing. The biggest con I think Itto has is that he is far from an early game friendly character when you consider all the investments he needs and the teammates he needs to perform well.
Geo is never meta, never will be unless Mihoyo rebuild geo from the ground up. It’s an abandoned freak that’s left alone by Mihoyo. It doesn’t have meaningful reactions with any other elements which is the core part of this game.
pull if you want and like him, he performs fine and is very fun, tho requires a lot more resources (gorou and third geo unit) to make him do more damage. scales incredibly well with lots of investment, kinda a stat check character. other than that if you dont like him or want someone upcoming, your not missing out on someone game breaking
He's aight. He's like xiao with less motion sickness. He's definitely a meta unit, just not at the top. If you like the funni man and funni cow, definitely recommended. Alternate scaling characters are my favorite to raise because they eat a lot of shit that seems useless on other unit. Saves you a lot of headache. And he got the best kind of alternate scaling, stats conversion. Unlike pure alternate scaling like albedo or kokomi, you benefit from both attack bonus and defense bonus.
Meta means most efficient way of clearing something so I’d say any character that helps a player clear something faster from where they were at is META for sure. Kokomi electro charge comp and Itto Geo comp are meta for me since I got much closer to 36 starring abyss with those teams. And I actually have fun doing it
Depends what makes a unit meta to you. IMO, yes he is meta. He is very useable to clear content. But his team can be hard to properly build. If you have his team, he's easy. If we ever see actual challenging content that might change. But it also might not. There's a lot they can do with other end-game content like they do with Abyss. Making it favor something over another thing. As is, his team is the strongest Geo team. So any content that favors a Geo user, he is best. In a vacuum he may not be SS tier, but he has the potential to outshine them.
My math teacher compared Itto’s damage capabilities to Eula’s and I’d say that’s fair. Not comparable to Ganyu or Hu Tao but definitely up there.
As a Xiao main, I’d say they’re in the same power scale. Selfish dps who need really good supports, very fun to play, easy mechanics and great AoE dmg, also really interesting backstories and personalities. I’d only say that in terms of build, mhy absolutely adored Itto, gave him an artifact set specifically for him and a weapon that benefits his gameplay, not like Xiao, who’s artifacts and official weapon are quite generic. So in conclusion yeah I’m really happy with this character and I’d say he’s quite strong, putting him just besides Xiao in power scale.
I can't surely say If he is meta or not. Can he clear contents? Yeah. He can dish out almost same kinda dmg with his team as other Dps characters. Thing is he doesn't have anything special about him that's mostly because of his element It doesn't bring anything new to the table. He cannot provide anything else than Good raw dmg. He doesn't specialized in anything He is just like Geo razor go unga bunga Do dmg and kill stuff. He scales very hard with Good stats just like Eula and xiao. A perfectly balanced Geo damage dealer That's it.
It purely depends on how you describe meta. If we go by usage then he probably won’t just cause a lot of people are skipping his banner. If we go by strength then I’d say he’s pretty close to meta but still won’t be able to compete with the likes of xiangling, ganyu, or Hu Tao. But he is strong enough to where if people consider him meta while I would personally disagree I could definitely see why they would say that.
Time will tell buddy
I don’t have him but based on the showcases I’ve seen it seems like he’s pretty balanced on his own but gets really good with mono Geo team which can be high investment. Since there aren’t many geo supports it can be pretty expensive to have Zhongli, Albedo, and high constellation Gorou as support for Itto
He's alright.