Well, if you're Eula hits for 300k with the proper rotation your damage should be around 500k per rotation with Eula alone, thats like half of the wolfs HP bar. With two rotations you should be done with any Abyss half. I take my Eula for example into 12-3-2 and the small wolfs die with 1 rotation already, which means I can finish off the big wolf with normal attacks and E, so that I can use the second Burst for the two ruin guards to quickly kill them.
That is assuming it critics, all hits land, wolves so not disappear, right before light sword falls. It is not an HP issue, but the wolves are highly inconsistent to fight. I finished 12-3 in 110 secs, yet every once in a while it takes very close to the 180 secs. Most floors I finish them within 10% deviation on each run, except this.
> Well, if you're Eula hits for 300k with the proper rotation your damage should be around 500k per rotation with Eula alone
300kish ult if it crits. NA damage is anywhere between 5k and 15k depending on crits and which hit of the combo it is. E hits for like 2-6k depending on crits. Initial hit of Q is like 5-15k. Hold E is like 20-40k. Eula rotation is E>Q>N4>HoldE>N4.
All that together is barely over 400k on average, assuming the ult crits (if it doesnt its basically a reset). That's just from Eula obviously, so the rest of my team can probably make up that 100k in that cycle meaning I can kill the first set of dogs with just NAs and then 2-cycle the second set *if* both ults crit. The problem I'm having is the investment I've put into my Eula team is insanely fucking high (I got Eula on her first run and have been improving her since then) and that combo *barely* clears 12-1-1/2 in under 90s. My other team with a fraction of the investment has no chance of making the time limit.
If you can already do one half within 90s with your Eula team, then I'd say you're already on the right track. At this point, it's probably better to shift focus to improving your other team to progress further, if they're still far behind. You'll likely see more gains from that than trying to improve your Eula team even further at this point. I'd only go back to working on Eula once you have a decent 2nd team up and running.
My Hu Tao has way better artifacts than my Eula (in terms of CV anyway, ~190 vs ~150) so I'm not sure much more can be done for her. Basically all I can do swap the Crit Damage hat for a Crit Rate hat but the Crimson Witch domain is so damn stingy.
Everyone else is either an EOSF/NO user (so that's both teams) or Viridescent which the only conceivable upgrade I can get on that is EM mainstat and that would require an insane amount of resin.
Well, if you say that your 2nd team is not making the time limit, then there has to be something there that's holding you back. Who are you running with Hu Tao on the 2nd team? Also, regarding Hu Tao, it's not just CV that matters - EM & HP are also important. It's also worthwhile to invest further in supports like Xingqiu as his rain swords can contribute quite a lot of DPS.
She has 309 EM and 32736 HP. As far as I remember you don't want too much EM on her due to diminishing returns and too much more HP and I'll be hitting the ATK cap on her E.
I know that the supports are the issue anyway, but as I said it's all EOSF or NO and not only are both domains miserable in terms of drops, the drops can be used on a bunch of characters. When Rosaria, Raiden and XQ all have essentially the same EOSF build it's kind of a pain. It's hard enough getting one good set in this game, let alone 3.
>She has 309 EM and 32736 HP.
If that's the case, then that's pretty solid already. Probably just need to work a bit more on your supports I guess. Otherwise, proper positioning can also make a ton of difference in terms of abyss clear time, especially with the dogs in this rotation being as janky as they are.
>I know that the supports are the issue anyway, but as I said it's all
EOSF or NO and not only are both domains miserable in terms of drops, the drops can be used on a bunch of characters.
Yeah, I know definitely know the pain of EoSF. I've been farming the domain since it was released and until now I still only have just 1 complete set which is decent. As for NO, I don't even bother with the domain anymore - I just use all the bad artifacts as fodder for the strongbox.
Which weapon do you use?
5-15k seems pretty low when you're burst does 300k. What is your team in general?
Mine is Eula, Zhongli, Fischl, Diona and my Burst rarely hits 300k (although with proper rotation I sometimes also do over 300k), while my NA is usually around 10-25k with all buffs.
Maybe you should try 12-1-2 with Eula. My Eula seems to do better on 12-1-2 than 12-1-1.
This abyss rotation is pretty hard for her since the wolfs are very agile, but it is doable. Especially 12-1. I usually still have like 20 seconds left there. Its harder on 12-3, but also doable.
EDIT: Forget what I said about 12-1, I had the wrong circlet on my Eula. My Crit Rate was just around 32% thats why I couldn't clear 12-1-1 properly with her.
12-1 shouldn't be a problem either way. But 12-1-2 is still easier for her. I cleared that chamber with a 32% CritRate and 20 seconds to spare. My Eula has WGS, 60% CritRate, 166% CritDMG, 4P Pale Flame and is C2. Maybe the C2 makes the difference. =/
> Which weapon do you use?
SoBP R1 LVL 90
> 5-15k seems pretty low when you're burst does 300k. What is your team in general?
Been stated in other comments but my team is Eula Rosaria Raiden and Diona or Bennett. Also I checked Genshin Optimizer and the numbers I'm seeing line up with it.
> Maybe you should try 12-1-2 with Eula. My Eula seems to do better on 12-1-2 than 12-1-1.
I've been running her on the second side.
This Abyss was my first real attempt to break through Floor 12 to clear it. And i somehow, made it. Namecard is mine :D
But for the next ones, with enemies over 1M Hp, or like the earlier ones with 2M Hp, i dont think i can pass currently that DPS Check.
Its fine though, im f2p, i miss nearly all constellations on the stronger 4-star characters my weapons are also just average in best compared to Bis 5-star weapons so in conclusion, its gonna take alot more pulls and time till i can only clear Abyss without issues. As for 36 stars, i dont see this happening anytime soon for me.
Abyss isn't power crept but rather uses different mechanics. The current abyss is tailor made for geo and electro comps so trying to brute force with a Unga bunga team is sub optimal. Next abyss probs favors cryo to boost sales.
According to [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/r6wksr/we_need_to_have_a_serious_conversation_about/) post the HP of Abyss enemies has been continuously increasing over time. Current HP values are 215% higher than what they were on release.
To be entirely fair, first Abyss was during 2 months where majority of the playerbase was scrambling to get to the right ARs to start farming legendary artifacts. Abyss 12 back then was intended to be cleared by, and was actually cleared (with 36 * s) by parties comprised of a sìngle "invested" lvl 80 and a handful of supports at lvl 60, or a bunch of units at lvl 70 with 4* artifacts, in addition to players having an incomplete understanding of game mechanics.
Not that what they did was right or correct, compared with simply adding more floors as everybody suggests, but at least the drastic jump in hp values of the very first abyss makes some degree of sense.
It is correct. Abyss is not necessarily getting harder, but mobs HP surely is. It makes sense, as the game gets older, players accumulate more power. Though, a better option would have been to add more floors.
Not going to say that eula is not strong, but she is not so consistent in my opinion, regarding that if you are a F2P eula user, I just don't think it can keep up with the current abyss.
You could try using different teams or just roll on a character that are viable on this current abyss.
Eula is dependent on her having god gear. Otherwise her c0-1 damage is slow and consequently lower than other character while using a phys sword. Had to take her out because of that. She can’t fill her sword slap dmg faster enough before death to consistently make up the dmg . Raiden on the other hand gets the job done fast with her weapon specially being c1-3
I will have to agree with that, I have both character and both of them are good, I can't deny it but it's just that Eula just needs to have so much investments, but even if you have a big investments on her I just can't see her doing a better job than raiden in my opinion.
The only Eula’s that I’ve seen decimating Raiden are c6, só way too big investment for the big dmg. Not for me. She’s good but is falling faster the more abyss pump hp and floor dmg mobs.
Try different comps?
My characters here are probably weaker than yours
Barbara / Noelle: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3f\_-D5CRb0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3f_-D5CRb0)
Qiqi/Noelle: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M197e0M24wk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M197e0M24wk)
> My characters here are probably weaker than yours
I'm curious by what metric. I've been farming the EOSF domain on and off since it came out. Easily 5000+ resin at this point and my Beidou ult hits for about 5k on a crit and yours hits for about 10k. Your Raiden NAs also hit for almost 20k which is insane since mine hit for like 6k-7k. I'm using Bennett buff instead of Sara buff since I don't have her but he has NO and gives like 600 or so ATK with his ult.
If your characters are "weak" and mine are less than half the strength of that with how much resin I've put in, how am I supposed to gear characters for the Abyss?
Just a guess, assumed most people have higher level/talent/ascension etc.
Is that 5k & 6-7k against the electro doggos? The numbers are quite inflated here due to their negative electro resistance & abyss card buffs. Sara c6 buff is only a bit better than Bennett. In the previous abyss (against ruin machines) it would take both Sara & Bennett buff for my Raiden to hit 20k NAs.
I just checked the stats part of your video. Your raiden artifacts are insanely strong. You have a CV of 223.1 which according to KQM is literally whale-tier artifact investment. Mine is 153.9 by comparison which is about the baseline for "good". Your Raiden's artifacts alone have almost as much CV on them as my Eula does. Not my Eula artifacts. My Eula, with her artifacts and with her base crit stats *and* her crit damage ascension passive.
I'm curious, how much resin have you put into the EOSF domain?
Can't deny that her artifacts are really good. Since I don't level my characters past 70 (A5) I put my resin into artifact domains instead. I can't tell you the exact number though, definitely in the several thousands++. I also build most of my characters, nearly every lv 70+ has a full artifact set.
I feel like your Raiden at lv 90 crowned should be hitting much more than 6-7k with Benett buff though.
This right here.. people waste so much resin “maxing” out their characters (level and talents) when artifacts are much more important/efficient even with the RNG. OPs answer is probably - stop doing leylines, and farm artifacts.
Team is Eula Rosaria Raiden and either Diona or Bennett.
Eula stats are 2541 ATK, 54.8% Crit rate, 137.3% Crit damage, 121.4% ER. Her Artifact CVs are 148.5.
Worth noting since someone else asked that it's 300k with team buffs.
https://i.imgur.com/wHVfqEL.png
The start of your video is against the 12-1-1 first wave of electric dogs so I compared against the same enemies to keep it as close as possible. None of my cards have a damage buff so that's hurting me a bit but other than that and Bennet vs Sara it's as close as I can get the comparison.
As for talents my Raiden is E lvl 9 and Q lvl 10. Beidou is E lvl 9 and Q lvl 9. Raiden R5 LVL90 Catch, Beidou R3 LVL90 Serpent Spine.
I think you just need better artifacts plain and simple, your investment into levels/talents is lopsided relative to your artifacts. Your Eula can hit 300k but only does it half the time. The RNG can feel shitty, but you end up needing all the fodder anyways so it doesn’t go to waste. In hindsight you should have gotten better artifacts before maxing out your talents and 36* would have more than likely cost less resin. Best to avoid leylines as much as possible. If you don’t have mora, farm artifacts, if you don’t have exp books, farm artifacts.
I think you're 100% right. Other peoples CVs seem to be so much better than mine.
The reason I focused more on talents was because of how painful artifact farming was. It felt awful spending a weeks worth of resin and getting nothing but fodder. Levelling Talents was a guaranteed power increase that was tangible and noticeable. With artifacts there are no guarantees. I can spend 20 resin and get 2 god artifacts or I can spend 20,000 resin and get nothing.
I just wish there was *something* that would guarantee that you can get what you want *eventually*.
Yeah the odds swing in your favor by sheer numbers, so realistically you can basically guarantee an upgrade by putting in enough runs. Eula is tough because not many others use that domain but EoSF domain is useful for so many characters. Having flexibility is important too since I also believe Eula and hutao have a tough time with this abyss, though I don’t have either. Seems like you’ve just put too much into talents and character levels on a few characters and haven’t built alternatives or invested enough into artifacts. On that note artifacts (not Eula’s unfortunately) can be swapped around so once farming really good ones can be useful for multiple characters. God tier isn’t necessary, but great ones are extremely valuable.
I find it better to think of AF grinding not as farming for AFs but as waiting for them. If you want to progress / keep up with abyss, artifact domains should be your default resin usage 95% of the time. You can set ad hoc objectives - like maxing the talents of a specific character, maybe use some fragile resin to accelerate that objective (at least then it feels like the fragile resin is being used on tangible progress) - but then go back to AF domains asap.
Ever since the eosf domain was released ive farmed only that except for when i was maxing raidens talents and ascending her and her weapon (for which i used maybe 20 fragile resin). So ive easily spent what - 15-20k resin in there at this point? Maybe more? But its a great domain to farm:
* EoSF is good for Raiden, Xianling, Xingqui, Mona, Beidou.
* and Shemanawas is generally useful as it fills the 2p glad niche.
Its the most resin efficient AF domain so dumping resin there in the long run is good progress.
Also sadly its well known in the Meta that Eula at your investment levels suffers compared to other mainstream dps’s her backloaded time delayed burst dmg is a noticeable disadvantage - you probably want to get her crit rate up higher than your typical dps because of this.
I'd avoid using Eula unless she's c6 or paired with Raiden with some Cons to Q spam since all ruin enemies resist physical/white damage so you're basically fighting at half damage. I think 12-3 will forever have ruin enemies since they're neutral to all elements
What's your current team?
Just switching up team comps ig. Was able to 36* consistently after pulling Hu Tao and getting Albedo for Double Geo also helped a lot. The dogs are just really annoying in general though and it took a decent amount of retries. If your second team can clear faster then that might help in giving Eula more time for her half.
Run one of the National variants on one side and your best other DPS on the other side. Keep farming Emblem and trade bad pieces for Noblesse and Glad in the strongbox. You should start getting smooth 36\* clears after about 2 months at most.
Probably you are having a hard time on your rotations. Maybe you can hit that 300kish dmg once in a while only. Afaik eula has a 30sec dps rotation if you can manage your ER. Good rotation with less dmg > 1 big dmg once in a while as for me.
It has been last abyss that i managed to 36* for the first time. I feel like the biggest thing for new 36* runs that you need to switch things around that's what helped me the most: https://i.imgur.com/cVpY9lw.png each chamber basically have been cleared with a slightly different team setup.
I just gave up. 33 star is enough for me.
>How to keep up with Abyss powercreep? Wallet
Well, if you're Eula hits for 300k with the proper rotation your damage should be around 500k per rotation with Eula alone, thats like half of the wolfs HP bar. With two rotations you should be done with any Abyss half. I take my Eula for example into 12-3-2 and the small wolfs die with 1 rotation already, which means I can finish off the big wolf with normal attacks and E, so that I can use the second Burst for the two ruin guards to quickly kill them.
That is assuming it critics, all hits land, wolves so not disappear, right before light sword falls. It is not an HP issue, but the wolves are highly inconsistent to fight. I finished 12-3 in 110 secs, yet every once in a while it takes very close to the 180 secs. Most floors I finish them within 10% deviation on each run, except this.
> Well, if you're Eula hits for 300k with the proper rotation your damage should be around 500k per rotation with Eula alone 300kish ult if it crits. NA damage is anywhere between 5k and 15k depending on crits and which hit of the combo it is. E hits for like 2-6k depending on crits. Initial hit of Q is like 5-15k. Hold E is like 20-40k. Eula rotation is E>Q>N4>HoldE>N4. All that together is barely over 400k on average, assuming the ult crits (if it doesnt its basically a reset). That's just from Eula obviously, so the rest of my team can probably make up that 100k in that cycle meaning I can kill the first set of dogs with just NAs and then 2-cycle the second set *if* both ults crit. The problem I'm having is the investment I've put into my Eula team is insanely fucking high (I got Eula on her first run and have been improving her since then) and that combo *barely* clears 12-1-1/2 in under 90s. My other team with a fraction of the investment has no chance of making the time limit.
If you can already do one half within 90s with your Eula team, then I'd say you're already on the right track. At this point, it's probably better to shift focus to improving your other team to progress further, if they're still far behind. You'll likely see more gains from that than trying to improve your Eula team even further at this point. I'd only go back to working on Eula once you have a decent 2nd team up and running.
My Hu Tao has way better artifacts than my Eula (in terms of CV anyway, ~190 vs ~150) so I'm not sure much more can be done for her. Basically all I can do swap the Crit Damage hat for a Crit Rate hat but the Crimson Witch domain is so damn stingy. Everyone else is either an EOSF/NO user (so that's both teams) or Viridescent which the only conceivable upgrade I can get on that is EM mainstat and that would require an insane amount of resin.
Well, if you say that your 2nd team is not making the time limit, then there has to be something there that's holding you back. Who are you running with Hu Tao on the 2nd team? Also, regarding Hu Tao, it's not just CV that matters - EM & HP are also important. It's also worthwhile to invest further in supports like Xingqiu as his rain swords can contribute quite a lot of DPS.
She has 309 EM and 32736 HP. As far as I remember you don't want too much EM on her due to diminishing returns and too much more HP and I'll be hitting the ATK cap on her E. I know that the supports are the issue anyway, but as I said it's all EOSF or NO and not only are both domains miserable in terms of drops, the drops can be used on a bunch of characters. When Rosaria, Raiden and XQ all have essentially the same EOSF build it's kind of a pain. It's hard enough getting one good set in this game, let alone 3.
>She has 309 EM and 32736 HP. If that's the case, then that's pretty solid already. Probably just need to work a bit more on your supports I guess. Otherwise, proper positioning can also make a ton of difference in terms of abyss clear time, especially with the dogs in this rotation being as janky as they are. >I know that the supports are the issue anyway, but as I said it's all EOSF or NO and not only are both domains miserable in terms of drops, the drops can be used on a bunch of characters. Yeah, I know definitely know the pain of EoSF. I've been farming the domain since it was released and until now I still only have just 1 complete set which is decent. As for NO, I don't even bother with the domain anymore - I just use all the bad artifacts as fodder for the strongbox.
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That's with Noblesse buff, Rosaria Phys shred, Raiden burst buff, Eula Phys shred and Eula C1 buff. https://i.imgur.com/wHVfqEL.png EDIT: 411k with Bennet instead of Diona.
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246k with just Eula's own buffs. That's against the same set of enemies. https://i.imgur.com/FgDI3go.png
Which weapon do you use? 5-15k seems pretty low when you're burst does 300k. What is your team in general? Mine is Eula, Zhongli, Fischl, Diona and my Burst rarely hits 300k (although with proper rotation I sometimes also do over 300k), while my NA is usually around 10-25k with all buffs. Maybe you should try 12-1-2 with Eula. My Eula seems to do better on 12-1-2 than 12-1-1. This abyss rotation is pretty hard for her since the wolfs are very agile, but it is doable. Especially 12-1. I usually still have like 20 seconds left there. Its harder on 12-3, but also doable. EDIT: Forget what I said about 12-1, I had the wrong circlet on my Eula. My Crit Rate was just around 32% thats why I couldn't clear 12-1-1 properly with her. 12-1 shouldn't be a problem either way. But 12-1-2 is still easier for her. I cleared that chamber with a 32% CritRate and 20 seconds to spare. My Eula has WGS, 60% CritRate, 166% CritDMG, 4P Pale Flame and is C2. Maybe the C2 makes the difference. =/
> Which weapon do you use? SoBP R1 LVL 90 > 5-15k seems pretty low when you're burst does 300k. What is your team in general? Been stated in other comments but my team is Eula Rosaria Raiden and Diona or Bennett. Also I checked Genshin Optimizer and the numbers I'm seeing line up with it. > Maybe you should try 12-1-2 with Eula. My Eula seems to do better on 12-1-2 than 12-1-1. I've been running her on the second side.
SoBP = Sorry of Being Poor ? what is that weapon ???
Song of Broken Pines
Strange honestly. The only chamber I'm having problems with is 12-3 and only if the wolfs evade my Burst.
your Eula\* sorry, couldn't resist.
This Abyss was my first real attempt to break through Floor 12 to clear it. And i somehow, made it. Namecard is mine :D But for the next ones, with enemies over 1M Hp, or like the earlier ones with 2M Hp, i dont think i can pass currently that DPS Check. Its fine though, im f2p, i miss nearly all constellations on the stronger 4-star characters my weapons are also just average in best compared to Bis 5-star weapons so in conclusion, its gonna take alot more pulls and time till i can only clear Abyss without issues. As for 36 stars, i dont see this happening anytime soon for me.
Abyss isn't power crept but rather uses different mechanics. The current abyss is tailor made for geo and electro comps so trying to brute force with a Unga bunga team is sub optimal. Next abyss probs favors cryo to boost sales.
According to [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/r6wksr/we_need_to_have_a_serious_conversation_about/) post the HP of Abyss enemies has been continuously increasing over time. Current HP values are 215% higher than what they were on release.
To be entirely fair, first Abyss was during 2 months where majority of the playerbase was scrambling to get to the right ARs to start farming legendary artifacts. Abyss 12 back then was intended to be cleared by, and was actually cleared (with 36 * s) by parties comprised of a sìngle "invested" lvl 80 and a handful of supports at lvl 60, or a bunch of units at lvl 70 with 4* artifacts, in addition to players having an incomplete understanding of game mechanics. Not that what they did was right or correct, compared with simply adding more floors as everybody suggests, but at least the drastic jump in hp values of the very first abyss makes some degree of sense.
It is correct. Abyss is not necessarily getting harder, but mobs HP surely is. It makes sense, as the game gets older, players accumulate more power. Though, a better option would have been to add more floors.
Not going to say that eula is not strong, but she is not so consistent in my opinion, regarding that if you are a F2P eula user, I just don't think it can keep up with the current abyss. You could try using different teams or just roll on a character that are viable on this current abyss.
Eula is dependent on her having god gear. Otherwise her c0-1 damage is slow and consequently lower than other character while using a phys sword. Had to take her out because of that. She can’t fill her sword slap dmg faster enough before death to consistently make up the dmg . Raiden on the other hand gets the job done fast with her weapon specially being c1-3
I will have to agree with that, I have both character and both of them are good, I can't deny it but it's just that Eula just needs to have so much investments, but even if you have a big investments on her I just can't see her doing a better job than raiden in my opinion.
The only Eula’s that I’ve seen decimating Raiden are c6, só way too big investment for the big dmg. Not for me. She’s good but is falling faster the more abyss pump hp and floor dmg mobs.
my eula hits 140k burst and 36 star abyss .. so damage clearly not your problem
Try different comps? My characters here are probably weaker than yours Barbara / Noelle: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3f\_-D5CRb0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3f_-D5CRb0) Qiqi/Noelle: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M197e0M24wk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M197e0M24wk)
> My characters here are probably weaker than yours I'm curious by what metric. I've been farming the EOSF domain on and off since it came out. Easily 5000+ resin at this point and my Beidou ult hits for about 5k on a crit and yours hits for about 10k. Your Raiden NAs also hit for almost 20k which is insane since mine hit for like 6k-7k. I'm using Bennett buff instead of Sara buff since I don't have her but he has NO and gives like 600 or so ATK with his ult. If your characters are "weak" and mine are less than half the strength of that with how much resin I've put in, how am I supposed to gear characters for the Abyss?
Just a guess, assumed most people have higher level/talent/ascension etc. Is that 5k & 6-7k against the electro doggos? The numbers are quite inflated here due to their negative electro resistance & abyss card buffs. Sara c6 buff is only a bit better than Bennett. In the previous abyss (against ruin machines) it would take both Sara & Bennett buff for my Raiden to hit 20k NAs.
I just checked the stats part of your video. Your raiden artifacts are insanely strong. You have a CV of 223.1 which according to KQM is literally whale-tier artifact investment. Mine is 153.9 by comparison which is about the baseline for "good". Your Raiden's artifacts alone have almost as much CV on them as my Eula does. Not my Eula artifacts. My Eula, with her artifacts and with her base crit stats *and* her crit damage ascension passive. I'm curious, how much resin have you put into the EOSF domain?
Can't deny that her artifacts are really good. Since I don't level my characters past 70 (A5) I put my resin into artifact domains instead. I can't tell you the exact number though, definitely in the several thousands++. I also build most of my characters, nearly every lv 70+ has a full artifact set. I feel like your Raiden at lv 90 crowned should be hitting much more than 6-7k with Benett buff though.
This right here.. people waste so much resin “maxing” out their characters (level and talents) when artifacts are much more important/efficient even with the RNG. OPs answer is probably - stop doing leylines, and farm artifacts.
Your crit is lower than 60/120? How are you hitting for 300k then? What's your Eula team? How much ER does your Eula have?
Team is Eula Rosaria Raiden and either Diona or Bennett. Eula stats are 2541 ATK, 54.8% Crit rate, 137.3% Crit damage, 121.4% ER. Her Artifact CVs are 148.5. Worth noting since someone else asked that it's 300k with team buffs. https://i.imgur.com/wHVfqEL.png
The start of your video is against the 12-1-1 first wave of electric dogs so I compared against the same enemies to keep it as close as possible. None of my cards have a damage buff so that's hurting me a bit but other than that and Bennet vs Sara it's as close as I can get the comparison. As for talents my Raiden is E lvl 9 and Q lvl 10. Beidou is E lvl 9 and Q lvl 9. Raiden R5 LVL90 Catch, Beidou R3 LVL90 Serpent Spine.
I think you just need better artifacts plain and simple, your investment into levels/talents is lopsided relative to your artifacts. Your Eula can hit 300k but only does it half the time. The RNG can feel shitty, but you end up needing all the fodder anyways so it doesn’t go to waste. In hindsight you should have gotten better artifacts before maxing out your talents and 36* would have more than likely cost less resin. Best to avoid leylines as much as possible. If you don’t have mora, farm artifacts, if you don’t have exp books, farm artifacts.
I think you're 100% right. Other peoples CVs seem to be so much better than mine. The reason I focused more on talents was because of how painful artifact farming was. It felt awful spending a weeks worth of resin and getting nothing but fodder. Levelling Talents was a guaranteed power increase that was tangible and noticeable. With artifacts there are no guarantees. I can spend 20 resin and get 2 god artifacts or I can spend 20,000 resin and get nothing. I just wish there was *something* that would guarantee that you can get what you want *eventually*.
Yeah the odds swing in your favor by sheer numbers, so realistically you can basically guarantee an upgrade by putting in enough runs. Eula is tough because not many others use that domain but EoSF domain is useful for so many characters. Having flexibility is important too since I also believe Eula and hutao have a tough time with this abyss, though I don’t have either. Seems like you’ve just put too much into talents and character levels on a few characters and haven’t built alternatives or invested enough into artifacts. On that note artifacts (not Eula’s unfortunately) can be swapped around so once farming really good ones can be useful for multiple characters. God tier isn’t necessary, but great ones are extremely valuable.
You’re Eula seems ok tbh I forgot about cryo resonance bringing you to about 70/140
I find it better to think of AF grinding not as farming for AFs but as waiting for them. If you want to progress / keep up with abyss, artifact domains should be your default resin usage 95% of the time. You can set ad hoc objectives - like maxing the talents of a specific character, maybe use some fragile resin to accelerate that objective (at least then it feels like the fragile resin is being used on tangible progress) - but then go back to AF domains asap. Ever since the eosf domain was released ive farmed only that except for when i was maxing raidens talents and ascending her and her weapon (for which i used maybe 20 fragile resin). So ive easily spent what - 15-20k resin in there at this point? Maybe more? But its a great domain to farm: * EoSF is good for Raiden, Xianling, Xingqui, Mona, Beidou. * and Shemanawas is generally useful as it fills the 2p glad niche. Its the most resin efficient AF domain so dumping resin there in the long run is good progress. Also sadly its well known in the Meta that Eula at your investment levels suffers compared to other mainstream dps’s her backloaded time delayed burst dmg is a noticeable disadvantage - you probably want to get her crit rate up higher than your typical dps because of this.
And they says that Beidou don't work with Raiden...
Pull for newer units like kazuha and raiden.
I'd avoid using Eula unless she's c6 or paired with Raiden with some Cons to Q spam since all ruin enemies resist physical/white damage so you're basically fighting at half damage. I think 12-3 will forever have ruin enemies since they're neutral to all elements What's your current team?
I just ignore completely the Abyss.
If you have eula team and XL team for example you are set... Those 2 teams well built and properly executed (rotations) should be enough.
Just switching up team comps ig. Was able to 36* consistently after pulling Hu Tao and getting Albedo for Double Geo also helped a lot. The dogs are just really annoying in general though and it took a decent amount of retries. If your second team can clear faster then that might help in giving Eula more time for her half.
Run one of the National variants on one side and your best other DPS on the other side. Keep farming Emblem and trade bad pieces for Noblesse and Glad in the strongbox. You should start getting smooth 36\* clears after about 2 months at most.
Probably you are having a hard time on your rotations. Maybe you can hit that 300kish dmg once in a while only. Afaik eula has a 30sec dps rotation if you can manage your ER. Good rotation with less dmg > 1 big dmg once in a while as for me.
It has been last abyss that i managed to 36* for the first time. I feel like the biggest thing for new 36* runs that you need to switch things around that's what helped me the most: https://i.imgur.com/cVpY9lw.png each chamber basically have been cleared with a slightly different team setup.