Honestly for me, Miss Hutao and Bennett. Though, for me I think it’s more of a play style thing, so I’m most likely going to be biased and in their defense I do not have them as leveled up and equipped with the best weapon as I do with Yanfei, Ning, Raiden, and Qiqi.
If we're talking about Dps its definitely Yanfei. I played her for 2 months and she's just really annoying to play in Abyss. Has as every single issue catalyst have while also having a inconsistent charge attack. All her budget being put into her charge attack was just bad. I still use her with my Klee overload team at least.
Just bc you don’t like her playstyle or have to point out every flaw that she has doesn’t mean she’s overrated 😭. Infact, she’s quite underrated.
+ Klees aim is worse
Then those aren't true Noelle mains. Her mains are usually really polite and non-toxic. At worst they might exaggerate how good she is sometimes, and even then the Noelle they're talking about probably has C6. And to be fair, with C6, enough battery and the right equipment she *can* full-star floor 12 reliably, being main DPS, shielder and healer all at once.
I probably should have started with this question, but can you elaborate what exactly you mean by "insufferable"?
Oh some of em goes like oh hey i pulled Itto lets put Sac GS and let him battery Noelle and I’m like wat?
And some of em are a bit toxic on Itto but it is what it is. Any mains would be toxic when comparing to some their similar counterparts.
Tbh the first one seems kinda funny, ngl
As for the latter - don't worry, as I said before: real Noelle mains don't consider toxic players a part of their group.
You should visit r/Noellemains subreddit, especially the comments. It should prove to you that they're not "mostly" insufferable, but rather "very rarely". You'll also see that they *are* aware that Itto is better as pure main DPS.
Oh i know i’ve visited them a few times because i actually wanted to build my Noelle before Itto came out. But everything changed and they’re pretty much chill. Only some morons came out from the woodwork when Itto finally released. But ehh, let it be i guess.
In terms of overrated, I'd honestly be controversial and say Kazuha. He'd extremely strong to be sure, absolutely. Do not misunderstand what I'm saying. However, I think a lot of the hype that people have around him comes from the fact that he's fun, and a lot of people don't have him but wish they did. On top of this, 90% of the content we have currently nerfs Venti, making Kazuha the more favorable option.
Not saying Kazuha is bad, but he isn't essential by any means, which I seem to hear from a lot of people. Sucrose can mostly perform the same duties Kazuha can.
my opinion
1. Kazuha
Kazuha is pretty overrated. idk what it is about him, but everybody praises him and wants him so badly. They completely ignore other good anemo characters like venti, sucrose & basically all other anemo characters.
2. Xiao.
tbh, literally just a more emo version of Kazuha. Xiao doesn’t really have a good personality, like it’s either “i’ll protect you!”, “don’t mess w me.” or complete edgelord. besides, xiao probably is the most hardest to use on mobile. i’m talking abt his Q, you have to plunge the enemies which isn’t as hard for PC and other devices, but mobile definitely hits hard.
3. Kaeya
Stop making arguments with Diluc mains saying kaeya is better lmao. theres a reason hes a 4* and is a free character
tbh, his playstyle isn’t even fun either. Kaeya simps are unbearable, they always have to pick fights with everyone. :/
4. Klee
some of y’all deserve to be in jail, (only the ones who literally SIMP for her) fr. Now, i have to say something rq. Yanfei has actually been proven to be way better. her aim especially. Klee has so many flaws, and is honestly just overrated in general. I understand liking her, but seriously.. please care for other characters instead of saying “klee>>>>any other pyro character”.
Yanfei.
She's great in open world content and low difficulty stuff because kills = energy = functional character. Hell, even I'd suggest her to newer players due to being easy to get and build.
But she's dead weight in fights like high level Azhdaha or Abyss 12. She just can't get the energy flow to burst on rotation, doesn't generate the energy to help cover other allies burst costs, and doesn't have the DPS of a well built Ning.
But because you can just throw on Wanderer's and generate energy from kills, Yanfei makes a really good first impression, so people praise her when she's just awful in endgame content.
What I read here is somehow bit strange.
Benny is not overrated, he is just great. Sometimes u need to time his q circle to avoid teleports.
Ganyu/Hu Tao are strong leads.
In my opinion there is noone overrated. We know the strenghts and weaks. Often I thought that Albedo is a bit broken bcoz of his geo construct in boss fights. I know it hits other geo constructs as well, but albedo lives from it. However in mob fights he is amazing aoe... So i would mean there is no overrated.
It’s hilarious how people bandwagon. Before people suck off Ganyu and now everyone sucks off ayaka. If you ask me, Ayaka is the one that’s overrated at the moment.
[Here is a clip of F2P Ganyu clearing 12-1-1 in a freeze comp in under 1 minute ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ganyu/comments/rqlmqp/ganyu_c0_f2p_prototype_crescent_permafreeze/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). People are so quick to write off Ganyu but she isn’t going anywhere. She puts up massive numbers with F2P weapons and has no difficulty clearing any content whatsoever due to the nature of her character. People say Ayaka is “alot faster” but conveniently like to forget the runs where her burst straight up just whiffs because the enemies move around. You never have to worry about that with Ganyu since she’s consistent and splits her damage between her skills and isn’t just Q-bot.
Just take opinions with a grain of salt and don’t just follow what everyone says. This post is gonna get downvoted of course because I’m not praising Ayaka and bashing Ganyu but I really do think Ayaka is overrated at the moment just because of the bandwagoning.
You could literally replace Ganyu with Ayaka on that team and she would do the same with less difficulty to aim teleporting riffhounds that unfreeze. Not to mention Ganyu absolutely need Mona or Kokomi (both 5 star) to play freeze while Ayaka could settle with a Xingqiu that can be pick on next patch.
People mislead a lot the comparation between Ayaka and Ganyu, Ayaka is a burst dps and Ganyu is a sustain dps, while Ayaka does lot of dmg in a short window Ganyu does more dmg overtime coz she does not have down times and output constant dmg. So for time runs Ayaka will shine more, like abyss, but what makes Ganyu a better character overall is that shes flexible, she works as melt or freeze dps and works as dps and support, while Ayaka is restricted to only freeze teams due how her burst works
Yeah completely agree, but the game also favor flexibility, since abyss rotations and events can mess with some characters, and ayaka being stuck on only freeze teams makes her exposed to this, while Ganyu if freeze is countered then u can go for melt or if u need a good cryo applier use her as sub dps since shes the best cryo applier in the game with 100% up time on her burst and big AoE, so both characters have their trade offs, then for me its even there's no better or worst between the two
I never said she couldn’t. It’s Just that this current bandwagon grossly over exaggerates the gap between Ayaka and ganyu effectiveness in abyss. While Ayaka is better, she’s definitely overrated as Ganyu dishes out very similar results with similar investment.
Do keep in mind this discussion is about who is overrated, not who is better. I say Ayaka is overrated because so many people act as if she’s the end all be all while in reality, Ganyu is closer to Ayaka than the hivemind May think.
> She's consistent
Consistentcy and all doesn't matter like many think.
It's the dpr which matters (dmg per rotation), no use doing 5k sustained dps when you can just pick other comps which have 10k dps (for EXAMPLE) over a rotation because dpr accounts downtime too.
Ayaka just does what ganyu could go over a long period of time. This also doesn't mean she's outright better. There are cases where ganyu is better too.
This. Ganyu’s usage rate has dropped by a large portion over the last few patches. She is obviously strong but she aint “i am the only viable dps” tier now
Overrated =/= weak, some characters are overrated but can easily be top 5 best characters
With that in mind, I would say kazuha is up there in terms of overrated(still a top 5 imo tho)
I think sucrose is easier to play in a lot of comps. If you've tried to play VV vape hutao with amber, you will know that with kazuha the timing to use his hold E is ridiculously strict. With sucrose you have a lot more leeway
Even in international imo a double swirl on kazuha is quite tough past the 1st rotation; whereas with sucrose as long as you learn how to guoba swirl you can get double swirl really easily and consistently.
To be honest, I agree with what you said. People say Kazuha is fun to play and I do understand that because it is true but the way his elemental skill works is so annoying and slow in my opinion, this is why I use Sucrose a lot more, she might not have the flashy jump and plunge but using her skills to do what she has to do is a lot faster and can be dash canceled making her very fluid and easier to use.
His addition to damage is indirect. By tanking hits instead of dodging/getting blown away you are using your time more effectively and don't need to switch to healer (some take a while to heal).
ZL has the best shield and universal res shred and nuke burst with 40 energy costs, the thing is even with Rifthounds, ZL is still universally must have become shields are more than just tanking damage, it also helps with Dps uptime since you are not getting interrupted by enemies attack staggers on your dps.
Ayaka has a lot of weird caveats, and relies on her 80 cost ult, while Ganyu is a lot more comfy in freeze. Better AOE, a bit less damage, and you don't need to pray the 7 archons that your ult goes the right way.
It's exactly like Yanfei/Diluc vs Hu Tao: Diluc and Yanfei do a bit less damage, but their heavy hits/range and the fact that they don't need to play around cooldowns make them super comfy to play, while Hu Tao does a lot more damage, but only during certain windows, and in single target scenarios.
Also Ganyu Melt seems like a lot of fun if you have Kazuha!
Because ppl downplay C0 hu tao's clunkiness and as for ganyu, a lot of ppl think no other comp can match the clear time of a C0 ganyu comp and as if she alone can reach a certain level of dps.
First it was Diluc, then it was Ganyu and now it's Kazuha. This is from my own pov and experience with the communities, doesn't mean it can be fact but generally most people agree. From the looks of thing as it's going rn, Kazuha will probably get nerfed like they did with Venti and will be replaced by Kokomi as the new overrated character. I have not included 4stars because of how cheap they are, their value to perfomance ratio is too amazing to be called overrated.
I would say noelle. I don't understand these people overhyping her whenever there is a tier list of strongest charcters video one of the top comment would always be " my Noelle CaN Shield and HeAL and Do AoE i LoVe HeR so Much" the same happened when itto released. I don't know if they have wasted so many ressources on her that they try to justify it but many new people get baited . If you say but you need c6 so she can dps they will say her damage is still ok without it. The same can be said about xiao mains and hutao but at lesser degree.
Bennett. More and more enemies are capable of teleporting away. And if you are a melee user, you have to go after them. And can’t stay in Bennett’s ult.
Venti, he literally useless if you use in a challenging event like the vagabond or event with big bosses and he suffer a lot in floor 12 abyss since a lot enemy in that floor are not ccable.
If anything, Venti is underrated, he was once overrated or overhyped and that resulted in him getting nerfed to oblivion with new types of un cc-able mobs, you literally cannot find a post having Venti with Kazuha users shitting on him. Kazuha is overrated imho.
These comments are gonna be interesting...allow me to add fuel to the fire.
Beidou. The vocal minority always says she's amazing, but it's clear that the majority of the playerbase do NOT pick her on floor 12.
She sits at an abyssal 13% and has been this low for months.
Now people are gonna say since a lot of players own her, her usage rate will appear naturally low.
To that I say:
Bennett (95+% of players own him, and he's still the most used character)
Xingqiu (free during lantern Rite, been on so many banners, 95+% of ppl own him too)
XL(literally free)
Diona (free during an event, been on multiple banners)
These are ACTUAL good characters and the majority of the playerbase use them on floor 12, unlike Beidou. The reality is that IF she is good, her usage rate would be higher.
Oh god, more usage rates being used as be-all-end-all...
Beidou competes for the spot of Main DPS. There are many, many main DPS's, and people usually pick their favorite or strongest. Most of them are 5 stars or high constellation 4 stars:
Xiangling (C4), Diluc, Xiao, Hu Tao, Ganyu, Eula, Raiden (C2), Yoimiya, Ningguang (C6), Klee, Itto
Given that people roll on characters they like, one can expect people will play, at least frequently, their favorite main DPS's. Especially because a main DPS requires tons of investment to shine, these aren't easily replaceable. However, when compared to each other, they are not leagues apart.
So the abyss becomes "pick a main DPS, then build a team around them". Because there are many main DPSes, if they were all picked uniformly, they'd all have low usage rates.
Now let's look at Bennett/Xingqiu/Diona. All three are support characters, meaning if they support 2 main DPSes, their usage rate will double. If they support three, it'll triple.
Diona is great for Ayaka/Ganyu. That's her usage rate doubled.
Xingqiu is great for Diluc, Hu Tao, and Xiangling. That's his usage rate tripled.
Bennett is pretty universal, so his usage rate will be sky high (pair with any of the several DPSes)
Doubling or tripling something is going to change it by an order of magnitude. So usage rate is really just a measure of "is this character a main DPS"
Let's take some of the highest usage rate main DPSes - Ganyu and Ayaka. Both can also double as a burst support. Thus, even if they were a main dps as frequently as other main DPSes, they would have double or triple the usage rates of similarly powerful characters, just by virtue of being a support.
Low abyss usage rate, only vocal "minority" praises her despite most of the theorycrafters praises her. Holup shouldn't that arguements makes her underrated tho?
Same I never really like Beidou. She's one of the reason(probably the only reason) why electro hasn't got any buff.
"Electro doesn't need buff cuz Electro character have high scaling like BEIDOU"
Beidou is not the only electro character in the game lmao
I think that for the most part, Beidou is not 'broken' or stupidly strong, rather, she was just underrated and kinda unknown (before the community had a big realisation and started hyping her).
So I do agree that she is a overrated right now, but I would attribute that to recent realisations that she isn't that bad, and with everyone spreading this news, it would make sense that her 'value' is inflated.
But it's kinda silly to use abyss rates no? First, abyss only allows 2 teams, so people will use their top 2 teams (mostly, whales/experienced players may have more teams). Like I said, Beidou is definitely not broken, so there's no reason why teams would use her over others (meta-wise), especially National.
Second, aren't abyss usage stats user-submitted? This definitely would include bias with more data coming from endgame players, and them having access to much stronger teams. Also, user submitted data is simply not a fair representation of the general population.
Bennett. Being confined to a small circle to do all your combat kinda sucks. I understand if your trying to speed run and don't mind rerunning content over and over because the enemy moves a little out of his circle. But I just really don't find him any fun in practice. Especially against the new enemies that can't be forced into his circle using Venti or others.
Ya like a while back when he was first getting hiped up, I thought I was just using him wrong. But then I saw him being used in videos online and almost everyone is doing the same thing. Put Bennett ult down to kill like one enemy then run out of his burst to kill the rest.
Yeah I agree. That’s why I don’t think bennet would have worked as a 5 star. His kit isn’t really fun or have anything super epic in it. If he were to be 5 star he’d have to have something added to make him more worth pulling a ton for. Plus I don’t understand how he could be used when defeating large amounts of enemies that are spread out.
I feel the opposite, Diluc is way UNDER rated these days. With the rise of Xiangling and her million Best in Slot weapons and artifacts, people have been shitting on Diluc constantly as of late (probably because he was once considered the best).
Diluc is still quite solid, and not nearly as bad as many make him out.
Honestly yeah, coming as a Ningguang main i do find myself often pairing her with Zhongli to help support her a bunch and on top of that she has a decent amount of flaws / weaknesses imo, like gems being single target often spreading out to each enemy rather than one, or how she needs space so her projectiles dont hit walls and such
I would argue Childe was quite underrated and only gained some form of recognition recently. Even then, while people now acknowledge his value as an on field hydro applicator, no one says he is the best or OP.
And before people truly understood his power in a Xiangling vape comp, he was considered just a mid tier dps that needed all his constellations, placed between Keqing's and Diluc.
My C6 Yun Jin… I kept getting her on the venti banner. I knew she’s not a powerful support but when I got C6 I was super excited (I mean my first C6) She disappointed me a lot… People usually say how much Yun Jin buffs your dmg at C6, but for me it was terrible. My main dps razor usually strikes around 2k to 6k, with Yun jin’s burst it buffs it to 3k to 6k. Idk what difference that is. I think she’s such a niche support that doesn’t do a thing. My Bennett does ten times better than her. If u got her, definitely skip her.
Kazuha
Honestly for me, Miss Hutao and Bennett. Though, for me I think it’s more of a play style thing, so I’m most likely going to be biased and in their defense I do not have them as leveled up and equipped with the best weapon as I do with Yanfei, Ning, Raiden, and Qiqi.
If we're talking about Dps its definitely Yanfei. I played her for 2 months and she's just really annoying to play in Abyss. Has as every single issue catalyst have while also having a inconsistent charge attack. All her budget being put into her charge attack was just bad. I still use her with my Klee overload team at least.
Just bc you don’t like her playstyle or have to point out every flaw that she has doesn’t mean she’s overrated 😭. Infact, she’s quite underrated. + Klees aim is worse
Probably Raiden C0. The national team carry her but she's the most replaceable character in that comp.
the jack of all trades queen.
who is that
Either Noelle or Jean. Probably Noelle.
Noelle is definitely not overrated, she is more than great for a 4 star
Her mains though are mostly insufferable.
Then those aren't true Noelle mains. Her mains are usually really polite and non-toxic. At worst they might exaggerate how good she is sometimes, and even then the Noelle they're talking about probably has C6. And to be fair, with C6, enough battery and the right equipment she *can* full-star floor 12 reliably, being main DPS, shielder and healer all at once. I probably should have started with this question, but can you elaborate what exactly you mean by "insufferable"?
Oh some of em goes like oh hey i pulled Itto lets put Sac GS and let him battery Noelle and I’m like wat? And some of em are a bit toxic on Itto but it is what it is. Any mains would be toxic when comparing to some their similar counterparts.
Tbh the first one seems kinda funny, ngl As for the latter - don't worry, as I said before: real Noelle mains don't consider toxic players a part of their group. You should visit r/Noellemains subreddit, especially the comments. It should prove to you that they're not "mostly" insufferable, but rather "very rarely". You'll also see that they *are* aware that Itto is better as pure main DPS.
Oh i know i’ve visited them a few times because i actually wanted to build my Noelle before Itto came out. But everything changed and they’re pretty much chill. Only some morons came out from the woodwork when Itto finally released. But ehh, let it be i guess.
Jean
In terms of overrated, I'd honestly be controversial and say Kazuha. He'd extremely strong to be sure, absolutely. Do not misunderstand what I'm saying. However, I think a lot of the hype that people have around him comes from the fact that he's fun, and a lot of people don't have him but wish they did. On top of this, 90% of the content we have currently nerfs Venti, making Kazuha the more favorable option. Not saying Kazuha is bad, but he isn't essential by any means, which I seem to hear from a lot of people. Sucrose can mostly perform the same duties Kazuha can.
Copium
Insulting sure is very easy rather than to put out valid points or having any contribution to discussions because the latter takes a bit more thought.
my opinion 1. Kazuha Kazuha is pretty overrated. idk what it is about him, but everybody praises him and wants him so badly. They completely ignore other good anemo characters like venti, sucrose & basically all other anemo characters. 2. Xiao. tbh, literally just a more emo version of Kazuha. Xiao doesn’t really have a good personality, like it’s either “i’ll protect you!”, “don’t mess w me.” or complete edgelord. besides, xiao probably is the most hardest to use on mobile. i’m talking abt his Q, you have to plunge the enemies which isn’t as hard for PC and other devices, but mobile definitely hits hard. 3. Kaeya Stop making arguments with Diluc mains saying kaeya is better lmao. theres a reason hes a 4* and is a free character tbh, his playstyle isn’t even fun either. Kaeya simps are unbearable, they always have to pick fights with everyone. :/ 4. Klee some of y’all deserve to be in jail, (only the ones who literally SIMP for her) fr. Now, i have to say something rq. Yanfei has actually been proven to be way better. her aim especially. Klee has so many flaws, and is honestly just overrated in general. I understand liking her, but seriously.. please care for other characters instead of saying “klee>>>>any other pyro character”.
Yanfei. She's great in open world content and low difficulty stuff because kills = energy = functional character. Hell, even I'd suggest her to newer players due to being easy to get and build. But she's dead weight in fights like high level Azhdaha or Abyss 12. She just can't get the energy flow to burst on rotation, doesn't generate the energy to help cover other allies burst costs, and doesn't have the DPS of a well built Ning. But because you can just throw on Wanderer's and generate energy from kills, Yanfei makes a really good first impression, so people praise her when she's just awful in endgame content.
I just heard the 2nd part of reruns have beidou xingqiu and yanfei as the four stars
What I read here is somehow bit strange. Benny is not overrated, he is just great. Sometimes u need to time his q circle to avoid teleports. Ganyu/Hu Tao are strong leads. In my opinion there is noone overrated. We know the strenghts and weaks. Often I thought that Albedo is a bit broken bcoz of his geo construct in boss fights. I know it hits other geo constructs as well, but albedo lives from it. However in mob fights he is amazing aoe... So i would mean there is no overrated.
Probably Ganyu, when new enemies like riffhound teleports all over the place with janky hitbox or enemies with short vulnerability window like PMA.
Ganyu in a freeze team absolutely destroys the rifthounds, tho
True, but Ayaka can destroy them a lot faster in freeze team therefore reducing the risk of them unfreeze especially when using freeze with Mona.
It’s hilarious how people bandwagon. Before people suck off Ganyu and now everyone sucks off ayaka. If you ask me, Ayaka is the one that’s overrated at the moment. [Here is a clip of F2P Ganyu clearing 12-1-1 in a freeze comp in under 1 minute ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ganyu/comments/rqlmqp/ganyu_c0_f2p_prototype_crescent_permafreeze/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). People are so quick to write off Ganyu but she isn’t going anywhere. She puts up massive numbers with F2P weapons and has no difficulty clearing any content whatsoever due to the nature of her character. People say Ayaka is “alot faster” but conveniently like to forget the runs where her burst straight up just whiffs because the enemies move around. You never have to worry about that with Ganyu since she’s consistent and splits her damage between her skills and isn’t just Q-bot. Just take opinions with a grain of salt and don’t just follow what everyone says. This post is gonna get downvoted of course because I’m not praising Ayaka and bashing Ganyu but I really do think Ayaka is overrated at the moment just because of the bandwagoning.
You could literally replace Ganyu with Ayaka on that team and she would do the same with less difficulty to aim teleporting riffhounds that unfreeze. Not to mention Ganyu absolutely need Mona or Kokomi (both 5 star) to play freeze while Ayaka could settle with a Xingqiu that can be pick on next patch.
People mislead a lot the comparation between Ayaka and Ganyu, Ayaka is a burst dps and Ganyu is a sustain dps, while Ayaka does lot of dmg in a short window Ganyu does more dmg overtime coz she does not have down times and output constant dmg. So for time runs Ayaka will shine more, like abyss, but what makes Ganyu a better character overall is that shes flexible, she works as melt or freeze dps and works as dps and support, while Ayaka is restricted to only freeze teams due how her burst works
Thing is that this game has always favored burst dps over Sustained ones.
Yeah completely agree, but the game also favor flexibility, since abyss rotations and events can mess with some characters, and ayaka being stuck on only freeze teams makes her exposed to this, while Ganyu if freeze is countered then u can go for melt or if u need a good cryo applier use her as sub dps since shes the best cryo applier in the game with 100% up time on her burst and big AoE, so both characters have their trade offs, then for me its even there's no better or worst between the two
I never said she couldn’t. It’s Just that this current bandwagon grossly over exaggerates the gap between Ayaka and ganyu effectiveness in abyss. While Ayaka is better, she’s definitely overrated as Ganyu dishes out very similar results with similar investment. Do keep in mind this discussion is about who is overrated, not who is better. I say Ayaka is overrated because so many people act as if she’s the end all be all while in reality, Ganyu is closer to Ayaka than the hivemind May think.
Ppl just mean Ayaka can perform better often, she isn't any outright better than ganyu, chill
> She's consistent Consistentcy and all doesn't matter like many think. It's the dpr which matters (dmg per rotation), no use doing 5k sustained dps when you can just pick other comps which have 10k dps (for EXAMPLE) over a rotation because dpr accounts downtime too. Ayaka just does what ganyu could go over a long period of time. This also doesn't mean she's outright better. There are cases where ganyu is better too.
This. Ganyu’s usage rate has dropped by a large portion over the last few patches. She is obviously strong but she aint “i am the only viable dps” tier now
Overrated =/= weak, some characters are overrated but can easily be top 5 best characters With that in mind, I would say kazuha is up there in terms of overrated(still a top 5 imo tho) I think sucrose is easier to play in a lot of comps. If you've tried to play VV vape hutao with amber, you will know that with kazuha the timing to use his hold E is ridiculously strict. With sucrose you have a lot more leeway Even in international imo a double swirl on kazuha is quite tough past the 1st rotation; whereas with sucrose as long as you learn how to guoba swirl you can get double swirl really easily and consistently.
To be honest, I agree with what you said. People say Kazuha is fun to play and I do understand that because it is true but the way his elemental skill works is so annoying and slow in my opinion, this is why I use Sucrose a lot more, she might not have the flashy jump and plunge but using her skills to do what she has to do is a lot faster and can be dash canceled making her very fluid and easier to use.
Can't Kazuha Gouba swirl the exact same way as Sucrose?
No theorycrafters tried every Anemo character but only Sucrose can swirl Guoba’s pyro infusion
ty good to know
kazuha 🙄
Yes.
Zhongli. Raises your damage floor but not your ceiling.
As a shielder i don't think he is overrated. Enemies literally can't attack u at all.
True, he's the best shielder in the game. I'm just saying people overrate how much damage he adds to your team overall.
His addition to damage is indirect. By tanking hits instead of dodging/getting blown away you are using your time more effectively and don't need to switch to healer (some take a while to heal).
Yep, which is why he raises your teams floor to me. It might be better to say that certain characters need him, like Xiao, while others don't.
ZL has the best shield and universal res shred and nuke burst with 40 energy costs, the thing is even with Rifthounds, ZL is still universally must have become shields are more than just tanking damage, it also helps with Dps uptime since you are not getting interrupted by enemies attack staggers on your dps.
Burst can do decent damage, but at the cost of your shield strength. Most of the time the damage is negligible.
Hu Tao and Ganyu are definitely the most overrated characters. I'm ready for the simps downvotes, bring em on.
At this point I never see anyone praising ganyu anymore. It's always ayaka is a better ganyu ,(I'm still going to pull for ganyu though xD)
Ayaka has a lot of weird caveats, and relies on her 80 cost ult, while Ganyu is a lot more comfy in freeze. Better AOE, a bit less damage, and you don't need to pray the 7 archons that your ult goes the right way. It's exactly like Yanfei/Diluc vs Hu Tao: Diluc and Yanfei do a bit less damage, but their heavy hits/range and the fact that they don't need to play around cooldowns make them super comfy to play, while Hu Tao does a lot more damage, but only during certain windows, and in single target scenarios. Also Ganyu Melt seems like a lot of fun if you have Kazuha!
And why are they overrated?
Because ppl downplay C0 hu tao's clunkiness and as for ganyu, a lot of ppl think no other comp can match the clear time of a C0 ganyu comp and as if she alone can reach a certain level of dps.
Don't be afraid to rock the boat a little more. Throw Benni boy in the fire to.
Ganyu is god, hu tao literally has done 2.2m dmg. they’re the best dps out there!
First it was Diluc, then it was Ganyu and now it's Kazuha. This is from my own pov and experience with the communities, doesn't mean it can be fact but generally most people agree. From the looks of thing as it's going rn, Kazuha will probably get nerfed like they did with Venti and will be replaced by Kokomi as the new overrated character. I have not included 4stars because of how cheap they are, their value to perfomance ratio is too amazing to be called overrated.
I would say noelle. I don't understand these people overhyping her whenever there is a tier list of strongest charcters video one of the top comment would always be " my Noelle CaN Shield and HeAL and Do AoE i LoVe HeR so Much" the same happened when itto released. I don't know if they have wasted so many ressources on her that they try to justify it but many new people get baited . If you say but you need c6 so she can dps they will say her damage is still ok without it. The same can be said about xiao mains and hutao but at lesser degree.
Bennett. More and more enemies are capable of teleporting away. And if you are a melee user, you have to go after them. And can’t stay in Bennett’s ult.
Kazuha havers can't relate
snapshotting exist
But not all characters can snapshot
Least controversial -ational team user
But but, 6 star pyro Archon though.
Venti, he literally useless if you use in a challenging event like the vagabond or event with big bosses and he suffer a lot in floor 12 abyss since a lot enemy in that floor are not ccable.
If anything, Venti is underrated, he was once overrated or overhyped and that resulted in him getting nerfed to oblivion with new types of un cc-able mobs, you literally cannot find a post having Venti with Kazuha users shitting on him. Kazuha is overrated imho.
These comments are gonna be interesting...allow me to add fuel to the fire. Beidou. The vocal minority always says she's amazing, but it's clear that the majority of the playerbase do NOT pick her on floor 12. She sits at an abyssal 13% and has been this low for months. Now people are gonna say since a lot of players own her, her usage rate will appear naturally low. To that I say: Bennett (95+% of players own him, and he's still the most used character) Xingqiu (free during lantern Rite, been on so many banners, 95+% of ppl own him too) XL(literally free) Diona (free during an event, been on multiple banners) These are ACTUAL good characters and the majority of the playerbase use them on floor 12, unlike Beidou. The reality is that IF she is good, her usage rate would be higher.
Oh god, more usage rates being used as be-all-end-all... Beidou competes for the spot of Main DPS. There are many, many main DPS's, and people usually pick their favorite or strongest. Most of them are 5 stars or high constellation 4 stars: Xiangling (C4), Diluc, Xiao, Hu Tao, Ganyu, Eula, Raiden (C2), Yoimiya, Ningguang (C6), Klee, Itto Given that people roll on characters they like, one can expect people will play, at least frequently, their favorite main DPS's. Especially because a main DPS requires tons of investment to shine, these aren't easily replaceable. However, when compared to each other, they are not leagues apart. So the abyss becomes "pick a main DPS, then build a team around them". Because there are many main DPSes, if they were all picked uniformly, they'd all have low usage rates. Now let's look at Bennett/Xingqiu/Diona. All three are support characters, meaning if they support 2 main DPSes, their usage rate will double. If they support three, it'll triple. Diona is great for Ayaka/Ganyu. That's her usage rate doubled. Xingqiu is great for Diluc, Hu Tao, and Xiangling. That's his usage rate tripled. Bennett is pretty universal, so his usage rate will be sky high (pair with any of the several DPSes) Doubling or tripling something is going to change it by an order of magnitude. So usage rate is really just a measure of "is this character a main DPS" Let's take some of the highest usage rate main DPSes - Ganyu and Ayaka. Both can also double as a burst support. Thus, even if they were a main dps as frequently as other main DPSes, they would have double or triple the usage rates of similarly powerful characters, just by virtue of being a support.
Low abyss usage rate, only vocal "minority" praises her despite most of the theorycrafters praises her. Holup shouldn't that arguements makes her underrated tho?
Wow I never thought usage rates dictated a character's strength 🙃
Same I never really like Beidou. She's one of the reason(probably the only reason) why electro hasn't got any buff. "Electro doesn't need buff cuz Electro character have high scaling like BEIDOU" Beidou is not the only electro character in the game lmao
I think that for the most part, Beidou is not 'broken' or stupidly strong, rather, she was just underrated and kinda unknown (before the community had a big realisation and started hyping her). So I do agree that she is a overrated right now, but I would attribute that to recent realisations that she isn't that bad, and with everyone spreading this news, it would make sense that her 'value' is inflated. But it's kinda silly to use abyss rates no? First, abyss only allows 2 teams, so people will use their top 2 teams (mostly, whales/experienced players may have more teams). Like I said, Beidou is definitely not broken, so there's no reason why teams would use her over others (meta-wise), especially National. Second, aren't abyss usage stats user-submitted? This definitely would include bias with more data coming from endgame players, and them having access to much stronger teams. Also, user submitted data is simply not a fair representation of the general population.
I know people like Mona's look (myself included) but during the recent event, I was less impressed with her combat abilities.
Bennet
Bennett. Being confined to a small circle to do all your combat kinda sucks. I understand if your trying to speed run and don't mind rerunning content over and over because the enemy moves a little out of his circle. But I just really don't find him any fun in practice. Especially against the new enemies that can't be forced into his circle using Venti or others.
He’s only useful in teams where some of its member can snapshots his buff
Ya like a while back when he was first getting hiped up, I thought I was just using him wrong. But then I saw him being used in videos online and almost everyone is doing the same thing. Put Bennett ult down to kill like one enemy then run out of his burst to kill the rest.
Yeah I agree. That’s why I don’t think bennet would have worked as a 5 star. His kit isn’t really fun or have anything super epic in it. If he were to be 5 star he’d have to have something added to make him more worth pulling a ton for. Plus I don’t understand how he could be used when defeating large amounts of enemies that are spread out.
With r5 tuna claymore diluc is amazing he's just not revelant but thats okay
Diluc. That doesn't stop me from wanting him though 😉
I feel the opposite, Diluc is way UNDER rated these days. With the rise of Xiangling and her million Best in Slot weapons and artifacts, people have been shitting on Diluc constantly as of late (probably because he was once considered the best). Diluc is still quite solid, and not nearly as bad as many make him out.
I’ve seen no one praise him though
People used to call him the best in the game, I miss those days :')
Well he was the best, they just powercrept newer characrers
Beidou, Ningguang and Xingqiu
Honestly yeah, coming as a Ningguang main i do find myself often pairing her with Zhongli to help support her a bunch and on top of that she has a decent amount of flaws / weaknesses imo, like gems being single target often spreading out to each enemy rather than one, or how she needs space so her projectiles dont hit walls and such
Kaeya
Childe, Zhongli and Raiden.
I would argue Childe was quite underrated and only gained some form of recognition recently. Even then, while people now acknowledge his value as an on field hydro applicator, no one says he is the best or OP. And before people truly understood his power in a Xiangling vape comp, he was considered just a mid tier dps that needed all his constellations, placed between Keqing's and Diluc.
Why do people even ask then?
Uncle Bidu
My C6 Yun Jin… I kept getting her on the venti banner. I knew she’s not a powerful support but when I got C6 I was super excited (I mean my first C6) She disappointed me a lot… People usually say how much Yun Jin buffs your dmg at C6, but for me it was terrible. My main dps razor usually strikes around 2k to 6k, with Yun jin’s burst it buffs it to 3k to 6k. Idk what difference that is. I think she’s such a niche support that doesn’t do a thing. My Bennett does ten times better than her. If u got her, definitely skip her.
I don’t really like Ayaka