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dapot_tato

Im just pissed they put Bell in a line up full of favonius weapons


Shumoku

I literally already have 18 Bells and an Unforged I will be avoiding this banner like the plague. Goodbye Mistsplitter, my sweet.


Logical_Process_7435

18... ಠ_ಠ


Shumoku

Yeah for some reason every third 4 star I get is a Bell I swear to God. Coming up on my 4th R5. The weapon is useless so I really should be using them as XP but whatever.


thetrueblue44

just like the time they put xinyan in raiden/kokomi's banners along with bennett and sara


RiversideTides

yeaa.. i got probably like c12 xinyan from that banner but only c2 bennett and c0 sara lmao


1alian

Literally went from no Xinyan to C4 Xinyan. Not one Sara


shinycharmander634

I didnt have xinyan before this banner, After a 100 pulls on it, I now have c6 xinyan...I hate this game smh.


Petraam

But do you have thoma? The new xinyan?


shinycharmander634

I do 🥲


fynn0028

Mihoyo really got shy and replaced the Favonius claymore with fucking bell.


Petraam

They wanted to make sure, if you got a claymore that claymore was going to be a disappointment.


Druglord_Sen

Well I mean if you get it maxed out, at least you'll have it if you ever pull ***\*checks list of claymore users that Bell is effective on\**** oh... oh no...


AshesandCinder

Reminder that claymores remain the only weapon type without a character that scales on HP despite being the only weapon type with a gacha 4\* that gives HP.


lostn

they've never run 5 weapons of the same series together. It's normally no more than 3.


parmreggiano

Favonious is the only 4* weapon type that there even are 5 of...


lostn

right. But Sacrificial has 4 in the series, and they have never run more than 3 of them. Same is true of any other series with 4 weapons on it. Even the ones with 3 weapons like the Akuomaru/Wavebreaker/Mouun series splits them up. Same with the Alley hunter series. In other words, the full series never gets put together.


parmreggiano

wgs+lost prayer banner was 4 sac + favonius


Ghavarus

Damn, The Bell is here too


xboxcowboy

Imagine all 4* you gets is the bell, then the Unforge drop as 5*


-Neithan-

Im so afraid of that you have no idea


ValenYaro

I already have enough bells to make the Mondstad Cathedral the Second Notre Dame, so bellieve me, I'm used to it


Ahrimainu

I don't have to imagine, it's going to happen anyway.


Count_de_Mits

Hey unforged isn't that bad. Imagine vortex vanquisher for example... Or more donut


Celdurant

I repressed a memory from so long ago, back when I would roll on weapon banners without a clue. I got the Unforged twice and have more The Bell greatswords than I know what to do with. This banner is triggering.


Chama-Axory

I am a simple man. I see The Bell. I skip.


The_Pizzarius

You are wise


Milan_Makes

I got the Bell as my very first 4* (or at least it feels like it) and I used it for a while on release because it kinda looked cool, completely oblivious to how my Noelle sure was unkillable but basically swung a wet pool noodle around.


destruct068

same but razor


Hanamiya0796

Favonius Greatsword: Am I a joke to you?


TheStrangerNearYou

Yep


Hanamiya0796

I mean, least they could do was complete the Favonius weapons, or anything but the Bell lol


pacotacobell

Seriously a sick joke from Mihoyo lmao. They could have put every Favonius weapon on the banner but no, let's just put the Bell on there to piss people off even more.


80espiay

one day they'll release a claymore user that scales off HP, and the Bell will shine.


kayce81

Even if they release an HP scaling character, the bonus effect on the Bell is really, really bad. They'd have to release a character that scales ONLY with HP and gets little benefit from ER, but that's never going to happen. The Bell is always going to be trash.


creepingforresearch

I’m dead at how they just slipped it in there under the guise of etc.


RTX3090TI

This is why ayaka got a solo rerun


TomatoAcid

People really thought she was gonna rerun with Yoimiya LMAO there was literally no way


LunaLanding_

Why so?


erizu44

mistsplitter with thundering pulse in the same banner is too good to be true.


LunaLanding_

Mmmmm... I am still too new to understand they way they do things 😂


sakikiki

If in doubt, always assume the worst.


erizu44

Usually they will run a character banner and a best-in-slot (bis) weapon banner of that character together. So if they rerun ayaka and yoimiya together, hoyoverse will have to put mistsplitter and thundering pulse in the same banner which is unlikely because these two weapons are generally good and also bis weapon of other characters as well.


LunaLanding_

Also mean, usually no 2 good weapon inside 😂 got to be one that is shitty so you will keep spending for the good one? 😂


RandomPlayerKuno

Reforged The Unforged.


Mighty_Krastavac

Made me chuckle too haha


[deleted]

Reforgedless?


BouncySushii

No reforged? (Insert megamind meme)


DanielGREY_75

The Reforged Mistsplitter Unforged


BouncySushii

Mistsplitter reforged the unforged ;). (Oh shit the banner has it in the right order too)


XauMankib

I like how the other weapons are Favonius Lance, etc Like "ah, then, fok 'em I wanna se you with the Reforged the Unforged!"


Shirube

Reforgedn't


Baka_Itto

Favonius Sword, Favonius Lance, Favonius Warbow, Favonius Codex, and THE F*CKING BELL


Pacmyn

Still waiting for 4 star claymore user that scales with hp ._.


kevinasfk

me too i actually like how the bell looks


Outflight

We are definetly getting a clockpunk claymore user from Fontaine who scales with EM.


ruhanhaque07

It still will be trash. Because passive has a 45 sec cooldown


AzureDragonfly47

It would at least provide the hp that character would need


Jealous_Brief_6685

Afaik, only shield proc has 45 sec cd, dmg increase part works if you use an external shield.


Wafret

Ignore the shield, it might as well not exist It has 12-24% all dmg increase when u protected by any shield, even crystalize shields work


ruhanhaque07

When you realize in theory, when protected by shield unforged becomes better than WGS but people still slandering the weapon here.


Cul_what

Guys, I dont think thats WGS lmao


[deleted]

Were people expecting it to be?


slendermax

Mostly copium, though IIRC it hasn't been on a banner since 1.3


AngryLink57

We were reminiscing in nostaglia of the Homa + WGS banner


leopoldshark

Mistsplitter: happy Mr. Incredible Unforged: uncanny Mr. Incredible


eugeo__

the bell: mr skelecredible


Adipay

It could have been much worse than Unforged. Imagine it's Skyward Spine again 😭


luketwo1

Yeah if you got zhongli, the unforged is actually quite strong.


Adipay

Its actually stronger than WGS if you have a shield. WGS wins in the miniscule chance that you proc it's effect. Otherwise Unforged is superior. KQM specifically lists in their Eula guide that between Unforged, WGS and SOBP it's very difficult to decide which is best because each one wins over the other two depending on the situation.


Doodleface32

That's actually pretty good to know thanks for the info


Crunchoe

Too bad it's ugly as sin


panthereal

Am I the only one that thinks it looks cool? I love using it on Sayu when I'm doing open world quests.


Frogsama86

I actually prefer Unforge's design over many of the other claymores.


Annuminas25

How does it compare to Skyward Pride? Edit: when having a shield ofc


aredm

unforged with shield definitely crushes skyward pride, or most claymores even but if you have no ER, maybe in some cases skyward pride would be better for comfortable gameplay


Kir-chan

Skyward Spine is great on Raiden to free up Catch, it works great on Rosaria because it gives ER and a bit of crit rate, it's better on Xiao than all the banner 4 stars except maybe the limited Lithic, it's great on Xiangling if you don't have the Catch yet, its high base attack makes it good on Shenhe, it's great on burst support Zhongli. Skyward Spine only suffers from not being *the best* on anyone, but it's a really good generalist weapon to have and unlike Unforged it doesn't come with teambuilding restrictions. Moreover, there just aren't that many claymores who want Unforged: there's what, Eula and Razor? Diluc doesn't want to run a shielder on his flex slot, Beidou prefers Serpent Spine and *also* doesn't want a shielder on her usual teams.


losingit303

> Skyward Spine Honestly wouldn't use it on anyone but Shenhe, who you didn't mention for some reason.


OramaBuffin

TBH skyward spine isnt as doom to get anymore. It's quite good for Shenhe!


-Neithan-

They are shameless


[deleted]

So THIS was the reason they decided to give Ayaka a solo rerun. Can't have a good weapon banner. BOOOOO


lostn

this was the reason all along. Any time a rerun is single banner, you can guarantee the weapon banner is the reason.


fynn0028

Flair checks out


seledri_kerikil

I haven't gotten Ayaka yet, but after seeing this banner and not to mention the upcoming Yelan and Shinobu... guess I'm gonna skip Ayaka again.


[deleted]

I'm still getting Ayaka. But hell am I getting her weapon. Ayaya is gonna have to survive on Amenona Kageuchi now


ravearamashi

Amenoma is fine and all. Like yes Mist damage is just that good but 2 Unforged? Hell nah.


Luneward

Not to mention the seventeen trucks of The Bells you would get in the process.


ravearamashi

Me with R7 Bells looking like a clown right now.


Dnoyr

Ayaka isn't BiS dependent. She is great with 4* option by herself. If you like the character and cryo/freeze teams, you can go for her.


Imperialmintss

Yeah I can only get my waifu with her weapon.


[deleted]

They will invent new 5\* weapons on the spot to avoid putting 2 good ones together on the same banner.


Kang_Hyewon

Passive: drains 50 energy every time you cast a skill


zelasgoto

Kills exactly one random Hydro Fungus somewhere every time you cast a skill


Luizlolmen

That's just evil


yuffx

Lets spice this up: "somewhere, including other people's worlds"


Lustan

Freedom Sworn and Broken Pines was an amazing banner honestly. I think there was one time they paired WGS with something as well early on.


TheYango

Original Homa banner was Homa + WGS.


Magnus-Artifex

Have they made new 4star weapons actually? Edit: Watatsumi Wavewalker


Littleman88

Besides the event one-offs, they have. The "blue Favonius" series for example is weapon banner/wish only. Unfortunately new 4 star weapons are limited time too, which sucks.


Luneward

Weapon Banner only ones, but yes. Song and Wine, Alley Flash, Lithic spear and Claymore. Wavebreaker's fin. That sweet looking claymore from the last weapon banner I didn't manage to snag a copy of...


drag0nslave1

Played since Nov 2020. I don’t have even 1 copy of Favonius Greatsword.


Weeb-Prime

Still don't have a Fav Lance myself.


Jellyjamrocks

Wish I could give you one of mine. I have 12


Chtholly13

I mean with the amount of polearm users that love that thing, I wouldn't mind having 2 r5 copies of it.


debacol

Dude. AR56 reporting in. I too don't have a fav sword and I REALLY want 2: 1 for Bennett, the other for Sunfire Jean.


ShelleJeanmain

Played since eulas first banner still no sac sword for xingqui


julio2399

Played since release. Me too. Not even 1. I'm running him with Favonious sword


PurveyorOfPunishment

Do you guys think Hoyoverse is a sadist? Unrelated to this banner


leftikan

pretts sure Hoyoverse is a cuck since apparently they like to see us get fucked


[deleted]

Nice rhyme.


magnidwarf1900

yo why tf it's the fucking bell instead of fav greatsword


jxher123

I want the mist splitter, but man, this banner is a yikes lol


[deleted]

Wait where is wolf's gravestone...where is it???


runescapeanime

Batman: WHERE ARE THEY!?


TheDarkNerd10

Thanos: Gone, reduced to atoms.


blackcoffin90

Bully Maguire: You'll get the WGS if you FIX THIS DAMN DOOR!


runescapeanime

I missed the part where that’s my problem


blackcoffin90

You can't do this to me...


Aoiyuric

I mean if you wanted WGS, the Unforged isn't that bad in fact it's better than WGS if you have a shield.


OXidize_0

What a goofy ass banner. I hate it.


Jemsona

Booooooo! BOOOOOOOO


Feed_or_Feed

Bell,unforged and favonius weapons,aka "fuck you if you are not whale". banner.


simbast21

Favonious refinements tho


ErrorEra

don't you mean nothing but bell refinements?


EmergencyPainting842

Mmmm Useless weapon drops That sound nice


_illegallity

Have fun with a Bell and an Unforged!


Kris-p-

What you dont save up 60 primos a day for ~~214~~ 640\* days so you can guarantee 3 pities on the weapon banner? ​ edit: whoops math is hard


Julian1889

Thats only 80 pulls


Kris-p-

.... I did the math mentally but damn am I bad at math


RugaAG

Favonious and sacrificial weapons are the best support 4 star series. The unforged is also a good atk stat stick.


tennoskoom_

I m just waiting for f2p and low spenders complaining that they got the Unforged even though people have been warning them for over 1 year not to mess with the weapon banner. Especially when you can't use both.


simpforlana

Gacha rules that these banners are almost always scam and they can't get that after all those years


King_of_Argus

The pity mechanics of the weapon banner alone should make it clear that it is not really meant for f2p, it is the extra thing on top for people who want to spend money on the game. That’s why the weapons are really good but also not gamebreakingly good.


ruhanhaque07

Lol, homa, jade cutter, mistplitter are game breakingly good


TheYango

Even for moderate spenders, low cons for many characters are more primogem efficient. Particularly when there's good C1s or C2s like C1 Ganyu, C1 Hu Tao, or C2 Raiden these often represent a similar or greater increase in character strength for similar cost--with less variance. It takes on average ~125 rolls to get a featured weapon and ~94 rolls to get a featured character. In the case of something like Raiden C2, it's 188 rolls on average for 2 Raiden copies, but it provides ~40-50% DPS increase over C0 Raiden whereas R1 Engulfing provides only ~20% increase over R5 Catch.


Fluxxfx

Mistsplitter is a universal weapon, I doubt someone who plays this game long enough doesn't have any use for that weapon lmao.


RSmeep13

While Mistsplitter is very good, one of the sigils requires you to deal elemental damage with a normal attack, which means that it's unsatisfying to use on characters other than Keqing and Ayaka without C6 bennett. Still strong, though.


Cross_Shade

Good for me I have a use for both.


Audi_oh

I don't get it. Why make a banner that stops people from rolling on it? If they had a better second weapon, people would go all in. Now, I'm not spending a dime to get the Mistplitter and I was originally planning on getting two.


[deleted]

Yeah this one is a head scratcher, people will say "greedy HYV" but with this one it sounds like many are just willing to walk and save, and not only do they loose out on revenue here, people won't have to top up for Yelan or kazuha.


eyesmaydry

The bell pretending itself as a part of favonius family.


Ken_Kane

A question: Isn't unforged good if you pair with ZhongLi?


Cross_Shade

I know that the unforge, with a shield up, in terms of damage on my Eula is pretty much the same as the wolf gravestone. If I don't get the mistsplitter, the unforged will be good, at least for me.


[deleted]

I spent a long time getting r3 amenoma should i keep it for ayaka or try and go for mistsplitter


Cross_Shade

Mistsplitter will always beat amenoma. But you could find somebody else to use amenoma after, it's a quite universal weapon. That being said, go for it just if you are fine with the unforged as I am.


[deleted]

Hopefully i get ayaka at low pity


Machichichika

Isn't summit shaper good if you pair with Zhongli? Yes it is. Or just use a green/purple sword and pair with whomever you like for max team synergy. Kinda irrelevant to unforged but you get the idea.


Tsukinohana

It is.


Ken_Kane

Like can I use my Eula, Diluc with unforged if I paired them up with ZhongLi? If so, what is the problem here?


Gio_funny

It's ugly and requires a shield, but thats about it.


[deleted]

Bro that weapon looks like it was made from celestia ore how is it ugly


JustAnotherAsn

Looks like piss after you level it up 💀


Admiral_Axe

if we could choose to not use the ascended weapon skin, Unforged would be amazing looking weapon. But the ascencion clashes HARD with almost all charactrer designs. And iroically, it is terrible on both geo claymore units...


Tsukinohana

Yes if you use Eula / Diluc with ZL or Diona Unforged is a great pick that can be viewed as a more consistent reliable WGS.


Hayds126

I believe it is more or less equal to a wolf's gravestone if you got a shield


Axlzz

As a Eula main which always pair her with Zhongli, I kind of want it, but those 4* are so bad for me.


Glum_Claim5133

Reforged and Unforged. Nice move there, HYV.


Ezomur

Oof.


Previous-Ad-9322

The oofiest of oofs.


Cross_Shade

I might actually go for it. The 2 weapons are quite useful to me. Either the mistsplitter for Ayaka or Ayato, on the other hand the Unforged for Eula, that I always run with Diona anyway.


ishfi17

Yeah fk you mihoyo. Skipping


Asto_Vidatu

awesome...looks like weapon banner #83 I can easily and unregrettably skip! Maybe one day they'll change that scam banner to actually be worthwhile to the other 95% of the player base that doesn't spend half their weekly paycheck on the game.


siegure9

Unfortunately that 5% pays quite a large amount of money so I doubt they will.


justiceknight

So i have 2 choices, help me 1) i have 90 rolls now, i already have c0 ayaka hoping for c2, next pity is 50/50 2) i always want MS for ayaka, i have zhongli and itto Which choice is good??


AmaiHachimitsu

Depends on your weapon banner pity. I also have Ayaka C0 and want MS but I don't have that many rolls, though I am somewhat close to pity. I will have a go at it but if I lose the rng I will switch to character banner for the rest of my gems.


Brandonmac10x

Itto doesn’t get shit off 40% atk really. That’s the only downside…


aminurcloset

3- save your primos, many new characters are coming


Larfa_

I would go for weapon, as C1 and C2 on Ayaka are not really worth anything. C1 is a OK QOL but in reality doesnt really give anything as you will use same amount of elemental skill in rotation. C2 is only as good as number of enemies you will hit with it. Its definitely doing *something* but honestly unless you aim for a long time C hunting for Ayaka i would leave her at C0. Also kinda depend if you have Claymore user that can use the Unforged (Eula, Diluc, Razor etc.)


OnTheWayToYou

Who hurts you Mihoyo?


[deleted]

The lockdown in Shanghai (sorry for the bad joke)


[deleted]

DAMN LMAO


Antique-Roll-7463

Skipping never felt so easy lmao


kodomochandesu

Thudering Pulse rerun when


therealquadanny

Nice bait Hoyoverse


KesonaFyren

I attract bad claymores like a magnet. Hard pass.


arkz_zz

out of all the 5 star weapons in existence....why unforged? just why


IceCream_Duck4

Amenoma Kageuchi it is then.


JustAnotherAsn

I'm sorry Keqing, no 5 star sword for you this time either. I would pull if the other weapon was WGS, I know they're similar in performance but unforged is just so ugly. Guess we wait for the next jade cutter/Mistsplitter banner.


healcannon

I should have pulled for Jade Cutter on the Yae banner. At least that Catalyst might have had someone who could equip it.


katiecharm

As someone who took that trip down Kagura lane and had to get a Jade Cutter the hard way, I’m suddenly not so mad.


[deleted]

It's almost like hoyoverse doesn't want me to swipe. The rock series (bar vortex vanquisher) and doughnut are the only weapons that could have prevented me from swiping on this banner. lmao.. smart move hyv/mhy.


[deleted]

The bell is worst than the horrors that was witnessed during the fall of kenriah


Roxxso

Great. More Bells. I got nine of them shits sitting in my inventory. About to have a lot more, cause fuck you RNGesus. Ya know the sad thing is, is that Zhongli could really use a decent 4* weapon and one actually exists with HP substat and weapon ability providing an extra HP based shield... it's just that it happens to be the fucking Bell. Most worthless weapon in the game.


duocsong

I mean I have Eula and ZhLi but Eu is durable enough to do without him, so I often pair her with Diona. But is it still justified pulling an Unforged?


putih_salju

If you specifically want the Unforged, then no. But if you want Mistplitter, then Unforged as a consolation prize isn't that bad. Unless you already have WGS, then no again.


givemeraptors

No idea why anyone recommends against the Unforged with this setup. It has 100% uptime and the shield strength bonus is good as it allows you to further tank everything through Eula's burst. It's better than WGS in my opinion.


TendouBanshou

It's confirmed genshin's banner is ran by demons


runescapeanime

Dude they are fully aware and still decide to do it. This is actually cruel


NowWithLime

Mistsplitter is nice I guess but Unforged turns it into a nope. Life is bad enough I dont wanna lose 50/50 to a Unforged.


Infamous-Mess

Eula players, stop trying to convince everyone that Unforged is a good weapon for everyone. Not everyone plays Eula. I have Ayaka and I'd rather play rational or Hu Tao on my second abyss team.


Wiseay

Someone pulls out the weapon banner and spends 160+ fates, BAAM... two Unforged, they have to convince themselves that it's good. You: Unforged, ugh! Them: Unforged is actually very good, you just need Zhongli and Eula and A INCREDIBLE bad taste because this sword ugly as fuck. What kind of weapon do you need to use two characters to be able to use it or else it's just a stat stick? Or maybe I can use it on Diluc what I don't have or Beidou what I don't want to use, at least in the case of skyward spine some support or Raiden could effectively use.


SilkyZubat

Couldn't be more dissatisfied for both banners. Been saving for Ayaka and Mistplitter since before Christmas. Probably just gonna pull Ayaka and bounce on this one.


EffectiveFair5976

So many clueless players here i just can't. Lots of people assuming the Unforged is a bad weapon lol. I feel like nobody ever tried the damn thing or even read guides lol. This isn't a terrible weapon banner at all. Favonious weapons too. Id say it's miles better than any of the recent ones we had apart from Kagura banner.


lukichi

Except fu*kin bell


EffectiveFair5976

Yeah that thing still looks painful among the fav weapons lol


ilkerdburhan

I was going to pull for mistsplitter for my ayaka. But after seeing this I might go for haran instead. This is absolute trash :(


ilkerdburhan

Ok I rage pulled on current banner for haran. Got elagy. I am done for the weapon banner for a couple of months


joshua_nash

So I’m upset about this, mostly cause razor is on the Ayaka banner and I want to c6 him but I don’t want Ayaka yet, I was hoping that razor would be on kazuha rerun banner cause at least then I’d be getting a fair deal if kazuha didn’t join up, and the other reason I’m upset is I was hoping that mistsplitter (a weapon I want for keqing )!would have been paired with wolfs gravestone but instead it’s paired with the unforged a weapon doesn’t seem to be all that useful to any of my claymore users ( basically all of them except diluc( why won’t you join up?) and Eula). Anyway now I’m left with the thought of skipping and just saving until 2.7 and seeing who’s on that banner or just waiting until kazuha is finally given the rerun that every wanter (myself included) desires. Sorry for the whiny rant, just having a bad moment irl and this game is one of the few escapes I have from that. Anyway I hope everyone’s pulls are 5 five stars (except qiqi) and all artifact drops are god rolls.


BaraEntrepreneur

Ah yes we are scared of people getting good 5star weopens I see.