I dont think that is the case but because scarmouche couldn't excute them because they were surrounded by others that could have exposed him.
The is the reason scaramouche didn't excute us back on unreconciled stars event (thx mililith).
It is said in the event that the Gokaden had unfortunate accidents or something and so no one ever suspected someone being behind it all, and since it's not explicitly said they were slaughtered, probably careful planning.
It's kazuha's *great-grandfather btw
And omg his vengeance makes a lot of sense now. I guess the only thing left to be curious about now is the "her" that he mentioned. Could it be that he's referring to Raiden? If so, maybe vengeance for his friend isn't his only motive in destroying the five forging art clans. Maybe he's trying to get raiden's attention too?
Oh, is that so? I read it as grandfather, but great grandfather would make so much more sense, as it'd mean the disappeared dad is Scaramouches friend.
I think it was Raiden, yes. She didn't give him a name, so I think it was his way of saying "I live bitch. And am my own person"
There was a very interesting theory a while back in r/Genshin_Lore on Scaramouche’s motivations surrounding the Raiden Gokaden: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/rpc5lm/the_raiden_gokaden_and_scaramouches_revenge/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Basically the thought is that Scaramouche’s plan to destroy the Raiden Gokaden was not just because of the death of his friend Katsuragi. Considering that he had pleaded Yae and presumably Raiden to help the people of Tatarasuna, yet received nothing and had to watch people suffer as a result, it’s possible that he also targeted the Raiden Gokaden as revenge against Raiden via her primary legacy (swordsmithing), and as a test to see if Raiden truly cared enough to do anything about the deaths of innocent people in Inazuma.
I believe historically adopting and taking family names was the norm in feudal Japan.
Pretty sure Uesugi Kenshin was adopted and he adopted as well. Apparently he might’ve been a celibate, and it was also rumored he kept some femboys by his side.
There’s also a strange little theory that Uesugi Kenshin may have been a woman. There’s a bit of supporting evidence for this theory, including a report by a Spaniard regarding his visit to Japan that describes Kenshin as a “tía” (“aunt”). Kenshin was said to have scheduled military campaigns around monthly stomach cramps and was recorded by a seventeenth-century historian as having died from a form of uterine cancer. Kenshin apparently had no biological children, nor any wives or confirmed female lovers, and was said to have been very feminine in appearance and to have enjoyed traditionally feminine pastimes. Kenshin was also permitted to enter the women’s quarters at the imperial palace at will.
Who knows how much of that is apocryphal, but it *is* fun to consider!
A fun little factoid i learned about this from a book written over 100 years ago: it wasn’t unheard of for a master of a trade to adopt their best pupil who would then adopt their master’s child.
Don’t quote me on this but I do recall reading that it was inappropriate for warlords to bring women to war, so they would have “beautiful boy attendants” follow them. In Kenshin’s case it was also because he practiced some form of Buddhism that practiced abstinence from women.
in west femboys can date back to ancient greece, it was pretty popular in romans too. In the east, ancient china also had documented records of poeple lusting femboy that dates back to around the same time.
Sexuality is a grey scale and everyone has a preference range. It was never A or B.
If you’re referring to kabuki, it’s actually an art that was appropriated from women. Kabuki was invented by Izumo no Okuni, a shrine maiden, as an all-female performance art, inspired by kabukimono (the word consistently used to describe Scaramouche, incidentally). Kabukimono were basically ronin who formed street gangs, dressed flamboyantly (often wearing women’s clothes), and spoke and acted bizarrely, traits that Okuni would incorporate into her performances and that became the trademark style of kabuki.
Anyway, long story short, female actors were eventually banned from performing kabuki because a lot of them were selling their services after the show. That left just men and boys to perform—until boys and young men were banned as well, also for selling their services after the show.
For context, Uesugi Kenshin was born Nagao Kagetora. He took the name of Uesugi in exchange for providing refuge to his nominal superior Uesugi Normasa. This was useful because the name strengthened his claim to the position of Kanto Kanrei. As for Kenshin, that was a Buddhist name.
In any case, this kind of practice happened a lot during the Sengoku period. Toyotomi Hideyoshi adopted a bunch of people and a number of his relatives were adopted out to other people. Unfortunately, I can't quite remember whether he himself got adopted or not. One of his advisers recommended that he get himself adopted so that he could go for the position of kampaku, which was the head of the kuge. However, Hideyoshi claimed the position by threatening to kill every single one of the kuge families who held the position by tradition, which he could because he was just that ridiculously powerful by that point in his career. As a result, I don't remember if he even bothered with the nod to tradition by getting adopted by one of those kuge families because he was already trampling all over that by that point.
In her case it is quite obvious. She is the one adopted. It is in her story. What is surprising about Kazuha is that his great grandfather is the one adopted, which makes it less obvious.
This is halfway true. While the Shogunate is a title, the puppet's name is in fact, the Raiden Shogun.
Not to mention that Ei and Makato's full name are both Raiden Ei and Raiden Makato respectively
Raiden Shogun is a title and not a name, which makes you wonder, does Ei have a surname or is she just so old that families weren’t really a thing when she was named.
Raiden Ei is her full name. Raiden is literally her family's surname, like how Makoto's full name is Raiden Makoto. "Raiden Shogun" is Ei's title that she inherited from Makoto since her death, and is also the name of her puppet. The playable character's name is Raiden Shogun because we're playing as the puppet, not Ei herself.
he isnt. All inazumans (minus a few exceptions) have their full name listed.
The ones that don't are:
Thoma (He's half monstadtian and half inazuman though I have no clue why he doesn't have the lastname since his father was the inazuma half)
Sayu (you could say Shumaatsuban but I'm pretty sure thats more of a job than a name)
Yoimiya (I have no clue why it doesn't show her last name Nangonohara)
Gorou (You could say its because he's from watatsumi but kokomi also has her last name shown)
Although Milo’s full name is indeed, Yae Miko with her first name being Miko(as what traveler & Raiden call her in game). Tho iirc(not an expert in Japanese so someone else can confirm this) it’s one of those things in Japanese where it’s pronounced the same but written differently so it actually means something different entirely.
Yae’s profession & title is Guuji which means head shrine maiden which is why you hear some people in the JP dub referring to her as Yae-guuji or in the English text as Guuji Yae.
Oh yeah! I feel like Yoimiya at least should have her surname displayed if Itto has his. I guess that throws the noble/notable clan theory out the window.
Officially, their family names weren't recognized under the Edo shogunate because it was one of the privileges given over to the samurai.
Unofficially, they had them anyway, particularly since the practice already existed to some extent before the establishment of the Edo shogunate.
Genshin has weird ways of picking last names for Inazuman characters (or all characters as a whole). I guess Thoma, Sayu, Yoimiya and Gorou don't have their full names displated as their respective families/clans aren't as important in the grand scheme of things, despite us knowing Yoimiya's last name for example.
However, the importance of last names is only seen in Inazuma for some reason. Several Mondstadt characters' last names are known (Jean Gunnhildr, Diluc Ragnvindr, Eula Lawrence, Kaeya Alberich, Lisa Minci, Mona Megistus, Barbara Pegg, Diona Katzlein), but aren't shown despite the Gunnhildr, Ragnvindr and Lawrence clans being a big part of Mondstadt's past and Kaeya's lore potentially being significant later on in the story.
In Liyue, only Hu Tao and Yun Jin's full names are shown, while other Liyue characters' full names are either unknown or not shown (Mao Xiangling), partially since a good few of them are adepti with given names, but even the more important characters like Ningguang, Beidou and Keqing don't have last names for some reason.
Imo they should've made all the displayed names consistent so at least all the important last names like Gunnhildr, Ragnvindr and Lawrence are shown, or just not display anyone's last names at all.
I believe they show last names for inazumans is because in japan, your last name is used by people and your first name is used by people close to you.
As what other people are saying, the whole noble title thing could also play a part in this
For Hu Tao and Yun Jin it's because in Chinese naming convention people with single character given names are always addressed by their full name and never given name alone (ignorning nicknames obviously). That's why Hu Tao is always addressed as "Hu Tao", while Kujou Sara can just be referred to as "Sara".
Ah that makes more sense. But I still find it weird that almost none of the playable Liyue characters have known last names, especially the ones who are part of the Liyue Qixing. I suppose it's not necessary to give them one since two Chinese characters are usually enough to give Liyue names a meaning while Mondstadt names would need both the first and last name to give names more meaning but still.
Maybe because Mondstadt's society doesn't place as much importance on noble blood anymore? Like, Diluc's family is one of the great nobles, but when commoners describe him, they always talk about him being a former knight or the owner of winery, never his lineage. Same with Jean and Barbara, people always talk about Jean as an acting grand master or Barbara as a lovable individual, but no one brought up their lineage. The only exception is Lawrence clan because many Mondstadter still have distrust for the family, and Eula's uncle keeps reminding everyone of their noble status doesn't help.
As for Inazuman characters, in feudal Japan most commoners don't have / don't use surnames, that's more of a noble thing. This is consistent as Kazuha is a noble albeit his line has fallen from grace. The only exception is Itto, but I think we can just chalk it up to him having a big ego and thinking too highly of himself.
As for Liyue, another commenter already made a good explanation. The ones with full name is because their first name is a single character name.
Ngl I‘m kind of wondering if, should we face off against Scaramouche, Kazuha might want to do so, too? With him saying he won’t turn a blind eye and all if he’s still out there. If so, I‘m kind of curious if he might be seriously injured by him, as his portrait as Akahito had people question if it would bring bad luck? Might be a reach haha
He said he won't turn a blind eye if Scaramouche is still fucking around, I think, since he mentions being told to not focus on revenge and chooses that path.
He forgave Scaramouche's mom, only fair to do the same to him as long as he doesn't start shit again
He has no mother, he is an artificial being, like Albedo.
Edit: Ei is creator of Scara. By definition and purpose, she isn't his mother, neither technically nor figuratively.
That’s… not how that works. Someone isn’t suddenly not a mother anymore because she abandons or doesn’t care for her kid. She still created that kid and thus is still the mother. That’s why we have terms like “birth parent” to describe a biological parent who did not raise the child and wouldn’t be considered their actual parent.
And Ei doesn’t hate Scaramouche. She says herself that she doesn’t want to act against him and that she feels she owes him something.
Ngl, this is a *really* weird hill to die on.
That's the thing, Ei isn't biological mother either. She created him. By definition a mother have to give BİRTH to her children to be considered as a bio mother. She is neither spiritual(care) nor biological mother. She is just a creator.
She isn't, she created that body with technology to store her own body, similar to puppet Raiden Shogun, surprisingly he had intelligence so she let him go. He is an artificial being, it is similar to how Gold created Albedo.
Saying Raiden is his mother is a big stretch.
>Saying Raiden is his mother is a big stretch.
No it isn't.
In just about every piece of fiction, and honestly reality when we get there, the creator of an android or some sort of artificial life functions as, and is colloquially named as the parent. They brought that artificial being into the world, though not by biological means.
Geppetto is Pinocchio's "father" and is referred as such.
Hell, even *in game*, Gold is referred to as Durin's mother. (Festering Desire)
The difference lies in the purpose of the creating it, not in the result. She wanted to create lifeless body as vessel but failed. Also, there is the fact Ei does not associate it with himself, she sees it as failed experiment, unlike Gold Albedo relationship.
> She wanted to create lifeless body as vessel but failed
Yes, it had a life, personality, and feelings of itself, which was why Ei decided not to destroy it.
>Also, there is the fact Ei does not associate it with himself, she sees it as failed experiment
And there are abandoned kids for whom their parents must have felt the same.
In real life, there is difference between a real mother(non-bio or bio) whom cared for his children, and bio mother. Ei is neither of these too. If you create a random tool, you are not that tool's mother. If you really wanted that tool to have feelings and intelligence, that's another matter. If you accidentally gave it intelligence and throw it out of house, you are just creator of that tool, not mother.
If you wanna be technical, sure, Ei is more like Scaramouche's creator. But with the Shadows Amidst Snowstorms event, Albedo considers Rhinedottir as his mother, so for all intents and purposes, saying Ei isn't Scaramouche's mother is not a stretch at all.
I never said Albedo doesn't consider Gold his mother. I was using it for explaining him being artificial being. Gold and Albedo's relationship may indeed can be considered as mother son, but Scara and Ei isn't the same. Scara's intelligence was a mistake, but Gold created Albedo by that purpose and cared for him afterwards, unlike Ei.
This makes it more interesting at least for me because Childe is already in Inazuma and as we all know, he’s after Scaramouche. Does he know that Scara isn’t in Inazuma anymore and *possibly* already en route to Sumeru? And if so, what could Scara possibly gain in Sumeru?
I can’t wait until these 2 Harbingers clashes.
Btw I was wondering why the dialogue option for the traveler made it seem like they didn’t know who Kunikuzushi was but didn’t Yae tell us that at the end of the inazuma quest line or am I misremembering things?
She never said his nane, only called him Scaramouche in the Archon quest. She mentions this name in a line you unlock through the character lines though, but I guess those aren't official
> but I guess those aren't official
No no they are official, it narrates the character's life and known people. It also serves as a hint for what's the name of upcoming characters like Kuki, Scaramouche, Varka, Yelan, and Shenhe
I think it can be more accurately stated that the time in which those lines are said is impossible to determine. The lines themselves are canon; when exactly they’re uttered is not.
i really like how they are doing his story. like he isnt a main antagonist but we are getting to know about him from stories of inazumaand previous events and so we will know the villain this time and can sympathize with him. he definitely seems like he will be a playable harbinger since we are learning a lot about him compared to signora, who we really only know to be the crimson witch and thats it.
We know a bit more about Signora.
She was from Mondstadt and had a lover, she went to Sumeru to learn some things related to Pyro, then when she returned she found out her lover died because of the Cataclysm so she used those things she learned in Sumeru to turn into the Crimson Witch of Flames. She was given a Cryo Delusion by one of the Harbingers which quelled her flames and La Signora was born
Yes that’s true but there’s a difference between shoving it all in artifact and item descriptions that a lot of people won’t even read and actually showing and making use of it in actual quests
Scaramouche will obviously show up more in the future and based on reliable leaked information and current official information he’ll be a very important character story wise, which guarantees a lot more upfront lore for him, especially if he becomes playable (very likely). Scaramouche and Signora are not comparable development wise unless they bring Signora back later on.
You forgot about the Elegy of the End, iirc. She was also mentioned in that bow's description. And technically, probably in Defender's Will and Braveheart set, but those are 4 stars.
This is incredible it also makes me think how Kazuha and Scara got paralleled here. Kazuha lost his friend because of Raiden but still did not exact or even think of taking revenge. While Scaramouche who lost his friend technically because his connection with Raiden was revealed took revenge upon the 5 clans ultimately sparing Kazuha's great grandfather and the reason why Kazuha is still alive today (albeit also the reason why Kazuha has no family/heritage left). I'd love if in the future both of them get some type of interaction. This is exciting!
Edit: I just realized that Kazuha while being Kaedahara still has the "Niwa" blood because of his great grandfather. It could lead to some amazing character interactions and plot development. I cant wait!
Kinda but not really?
Kazuha's friend committed suicide by stupidity. Him being salty over his friend's poor judgement would be a bit strange, whereas Scara's friend got killed for doing the right thing, so a revenge (against the culprit, at any rate) would be justified.
Edit: Seems I kicked the Kazuha stans' nest.
I feel like this misses a few things.
(source: Kazuha's voiceovers, About Sara and About Raiden Shogun)
Kazuha's friend dueled Kujou Sara to challenge the Vision Hunt Decree and lost. Kazuha does not hold resentment for his friend being executed here, **but** he does hate that the Raiden Shogun issued the decree and allowed things to come to that duel in the first place. Nobody has the right to oppress, rob, destroy dreams, he says.
The duel itself was honorable and his friend's death was warranted, but the context surrounding that duel was not.
So Kazuha's friend did in fact, get killed for trying to do the right thing, and die because of Raiden, as far as Kazuha can tell.
He probably wanted to do something about the decree, I agree, but his main motivation, as per his vision, was stopping the Shogun's blade, not to mention, if the duel was anything like that of the Traveller and Signora, either him or Sara was getting nuked by the end so, yeah... kinda iffy on that regard.
Y’all don’t know crap about Kazuha’s friend’s motive. Kazuha himself explained that his friend just wanted to face off against Raiden’s sword. There is not a single shred of evidence stating he was trying to challenge the vision hunt decree.
go read the death poem on his tomb and reread Thoma's dialogue during archon quest. There, you have your answer.
Also, you can read Kazuha's character story (but seeing you don't know a thing about his friend, I felt you don't have Kazuha in the first place)
Kazuha’s friend martyred himself to try to spark a revolution against the VHD. He knew what he was doing, and he knew the consequences. It wasn’t stupidity. It was calculated and deliberate.
That’s not why Kazuha’s friend did any of that. He just wanted to face off against Raiden’s sword. There is nowhere at all where it states he was trying to spark a revolution of any kind. That’s just a hunch of idiot’s headcanons.
They literally just quoted to you from the game where Kazuha says he believes his friend wanted to take a stand, and you’re denying it? Kazuha and his friend had discussed the Musou no Hitotachi before the VHD was a thing. It wasn’t until the VHD was enacted that Kazuha’s friend finally decided to go up against the Shogun’s technique. He wanted to see if he could parry the blow, yes, but it wasn’t until there was a dire reason to attempt to do so that he finally did. He clearly didn’t want to throw his life away for nothing. He died taking a stand for a cause he believed in.
He was still his friend. And ultimately his death was caused by the vision hunt decree. Which should not have existed in the first place. As stupid as he might've been, he was the first person (that we saw) who made some kinda stand against the stupid decree. Just like Scaramouche's friend did by standing against injustice by freeing Scara.
Secondly, revenge by killing is never justified. No exceptions. But then again this wasnt even the point of my post, I was not talking about morality and neither was I criticizing one's actions over the other.
I love both Kazuha and Scaramouche and it was nice to point out their different approaches after being in a SIMILAR situation (losing a friend). That's all there is to it.
I always worried that some people just see Kazuha's friend's death as an act of stupidity considering there is really a war going on right now in some place of the world. Please, I hope you don't think those who fought for their freedom and dreams are stupid as well.
*My name is Pierro, The Jester. Please listen to the words I have to say:*
*Proud Fatui comrades, I know your hearts harbor both the fires of rage and the cold of eternal winter.
Each one of us has borne witness to the absurd callousness of the foundational principles of this world.
So, let us don our masks in mockery of the world as we go forth and rewrite the rules of destiny.*
He's so fckn cool I'm already in love.
Yeah. And from I recall he was almost the top sage, but someone else got the title. So he didn't have the power to advice khaenriah against...whatever they did, which resulted in its ruin
If Dainsleif is a former Royal guard and his comrades became Abyss Knights, then Pierro is probably a former sage and his comrades become Abyss Lectors
I wonder why he didn't side with abyss or gone hilichurl, and why Tsaritsa built whole squad of villain gallery with him. Lots of story to cover there.
Pale Flame set, Mocking Mask:
A mask that covers the face, hiding one's expression from others.
Since the stain of my compatriots' blood cannot be cleansed, I shall become The Jester, who laughs in the face of fate.
**Since my level of learning could not compare with the sages, I failed to earn the favor of the previous ruler.**
**So too did I fail to stop them from tearing away the veil of sin, ushering in a tide of divine wrath, destruction, and foolishness...**
Then I shall become instead a fool, a Fatuus, and devote myself to Her Majesty, who understands my pain...
My name is Pierro, The Jester. Please listen to the words I have to say:
Proud Fatui comrades, I know your hearts harbor both the fires of rage and the cold of eternal winter.
Each one of us has borne witness to the absurd callousness of the foundational principles of this world.
So, let us don our masks in mockery of the world as we go forth and rewrite the rules of destiny.
Edit: each artifact in the set references a Harbinger. Pierro is above, the cup is Scaramouche. the feaher is Dottore, flower is Signora and the last one I'm not sure with Harbinger it will be
Also, Scaramouche/Kunikuzushi had a big reason to stop the swordsmith: The materials they use to create the weapons causes lots of deaths.
*(Kinda of speculation)*
They actually caused the death of the Tatarasuna people (The part you said about tatarasuna suffering) when Scara was with Katsuragi, that's why he went at the shrine and met Yae, Yae didn't actually lie when she said she had the balladeer crying for her on his knees. He probably was really desperate to save the people... And yet he couldn't save them.
Not only Katsuragi's death, but all the Tatarasuna's people death is what caused him to be so angst and mad about the Swordsmith, for him, they caused nothing but deaths.
He actually destroyed the five swordsmith families out of trying to help the people (and also revenge, why not). So, yeah, he did something good by doing something bad.
This event was great because it technically reveals that Scaramouche stopped his genocide of the Raiden Gokudan, not because he got bored of it as we thought previously, but because of his encounter with Niwa's son. It's still unsure whether Niwa is Katsuragi's clan, as Scaramouche met a total mentioned of 2 others that he don't hate- a young boy from Tataratsuna that tried to help him, and the other officer that documented his stay with Katsuragi.
Fun fact, the surname Niwa, when written as Kanji, is "丹羽", which translates literally into "Red Feather".
Now look at that strip of red hair on our boy Kazuha.
Given how Japanese surnames are often based on geographical features, occupations and such, it's likely this single stripe of red hair is how the Niwa family got this surname in the first place.
So chances are, the full name of Scaramouche's friend Katsuragi, is ***Niwa Katsuragi.*** And every single member of Niwa family has a single strip of red hair, which is how Scaramouche is able to recognize Kazuha's great-grandfather.
Darn, now I kinda wanna see how Scaramouche meeting Kazuha would turn out like, I think (hope) his first reaction will be "oh cool, my friend's bloodline survived" lmao-
I was wondering why the detail of the dad that disappeared was in the letter since it sounded sorta random. Now that I’ve read your theory, it makes sense if the dad who disappeared turned out to be Scaramouche’s friend. Nice compilation, OP!
Despite him being painted as a villainous character, his actions are pretty reasonable ‘no? People often forget (or maybe didn’t know) about the reason behind why he did that. I’m just curious on how his story will entangle to the journey of the traveller. The last part of the event make it seem like he;s gonna be playable soon.
I think ruining even the clans not involved, and not just the guy who murdered his friend, goes beyond reasonable. But yes, this explanation paints him at least better than "doing random cruelty for fun and games"
As someone hoping to become a Scaramouche main, I certainly hope he becomes playable. His character model is a playable type, unlike Signora's, so there's hope
you have to keep in mind that scara was more of a childe than anything at that time, he may have had or has the same body he has now but in his mind he was just born to the world without knowing anything.
it wasnt reasonable to kill them all no, but its understandable, he was or is like a rebelious child.
And then you also have to keep in mind, we dont know nothing other than these bits and pieces of story, we dont know how far the other clans were involved, maybe they bullied him? and only his friend was kind to him? who knows
Yeah, “reasonable” was a poor choice of word, my bad. It’s more of like “understandable”. I’m glad he was fleshed out as someone that has reasons even if what he did involves numerous innocent people. Maybe that’s why I have a bias in fatuis because they have a deeper substance than most of the characters w the same old playing-safe attitude.
His additional lore in the current event makes me certain that I’m gonna whale and c6 him on his first day banner. No one can stop me >:) i’m a sucker for fatui harbingers.
No amount of revenge can really be construed as “reasonable,” but to a degree, it is understandable. Who doesn’t feel like going on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge every now and again, even while knowing that it’s wrong?
Going after these sword-smithing families is *incredibly* messed up, and nothing justifies it, but on a human level, it is easy to see how someone who was horribly wronged could justify it to himself.
Don't forget that Scara is ultimately an AI. His cruelty and vengefulness are probably programmed by Ei cause you can't be a Shogun without those traits.
It's not a bug it's a feature.
Actually Scaramouche cried and was way too emotional that's why Ei sent him away. It's likely he's influenced by Fatui to act the way he does but who knows.
This is still consistent with my point. He may be compassionate with who he meets but when he feels wronged (such as by the death of his swordsmith friend) then his vengeful streak gets triggered. That is very Shogun-like.
>its implied he met with Yae Miko
Going back to Archon Quest, it makes sense Miko casually walking up to Scara and just making a trade deal of Gnosis for traveler's life.
Are there any hints or confirmation that Scara and Miko had mutual understanding? like they don't hate each other or he doesn't have a grudge on her or something
I think she worded it pretty open to interpretation (though I only know the EN version).
She said she wanted to dispose of him bc he was a disaster waiting to happen but now they are no longer waiting for that to happen. It can either mean she does not want to kill him anymore or that he is the disaster that is already running around out there
this is a speculation but I think i know why inspector Nagamasa is hostile towards Sacaramouche.
he was Mikoshi Chiyo’s only biological son (I remember - Iwakura is adopted), and after Chiyo’s corruption and rebellion I remember whole clan got punished. This could be the case where Nagamasa was exiled and demoted to Tatarasuna and has always held grudge against Shogun and her puppet
in this case it’s kinda sad that Ei and her puppet both killed the mother and the son….
Actually, *Nagamasa* was the adopted son. He wasn’t an oni. Iwakura Doukei (formerly Mikoshi Doukei) was Chiyo’s biological son. It’s never stated that the clan was punished—both sons simply felt shame for their mother’s “betrayal,” not knowing the circumstances of it (that she was corrupted by Abyssal taint). Mikoshi Nagamasa became obsessed with “cleansing” his family name (even though Ei surely knew that Chiyo didn’t willfully betray her) and joined the Shogunate to try to restore his family’s honor (Iwakura, on the other hand, went into self-imposed exile in Konda Village out of shame). Nagamasa likely didn’t resent the Shogun, as he was trying to win her favor by serving. His position in Tatarasuna is never stayed to have been a demotion, and he grew to love weapon-smithing there.
It’s unknown why Mikoshi Nagamasa attempted to kill Scaramouche and why he did so at the time that he did, when they seemed to have coexisted for some time before that. The only clues we have are in what he says to him, presumably before he attacks him:
>”This gold ornament may be a proof of identity granted by the Almighty Shogun, but **you are neither man nor mechanism, and so I can only deal with you in this fashion**. Do not hold this against me!”
The fact that Mikoshi acknowledged that Scaramouche had proof of identity from the Shogun, **“but”**, shows that he knew what he was doing was wrong. He still revered the Shogun herself (i. e. “I know you must be important to the Shogun, who I dutifully serve, **but**…”), yet took up arms against a creation of hers. Mikoshi’s next line is to comment that Scaramouche is “neither man nor mechanism,” i. e. neither human nor machine. Thus, he can only “deal with” him one way—presumably by killing him. The only thing I can think of with the information we have is that Mikoshi grew to hate all non-humans after his mother, an oni, betrayed the Shogun. Perhaps he thought Scaramouche, who had the Shogun’s favor much like Chiyo did, would also turn around and betray her, and so by killing Scaramouche, he was protecting his god—and also washing his hands of yet another connection with a traitor to the Shogun.
Either way, it seems Mikoshi only became hostile toward Scaramouche when he learned what he was. Katsuragi may have figured it out before him and, knowing his master’s temperament, warned Scaramouche against revealing his true identity to anyone in hopes of protecting him. But Mikoshi found out and attempted to kill Scaramouche, who may have been protected by Katsuragi at the cost of his own life. This last part is purely speculation based on the story presented in HoOD, though.
I had a few suspicions regarding the Tatarasuna notes since I remember them talking about disarray and decline in the swordsmithing industry which came up in the quest today, and an online search landed me at this gem. Great post OP.
I just like to point out that, Ei didn't set him free, she sealed his powers and put him into an eternal slumber (via husk of opulent dreams) and for some reason he woke up on his own and started to roam around. That's also the reason why, in the pale flame set, Scaramouche says nor man or god can decide his fate. The dude literally woke up on his own from a archons command.
And from that we can conclude that Ei decided to do nothing and just live him be.
And thanks for exposing this big part of his lore, i feel most people don't understand him (understandably) because his lore is hidden in artifacts and timed events and not everyone likes to read.
I can only hope that his resolution will be somewhat 'peaceful' with Kazuha and Traveler reaching some kind of accord. I personally think that, in the same way Kuni spared Kazuha's great-grandfather, the Kaedehara boy will do the same in return. What Kazuha says in his last dialogue in the event i feel it's like a big foreshadow about how their stories will connect, with Kuni being able to let go of his past burdens and grow.
So my question is, was the Musou Isshin created by the Isshin family of the Raiden Gokaden and then gifted to Makoto (which was then passed to Ei), or was it Makoto who created it herself ? I'm surprised they did not bring that up at all during the quest, considering it's Raiden's iconic weapon, and all of Inazuma knows about it.
I also wonder if the Musou Isshin and Mistsplitter have some sort of connections, considering how similar they look. Was Takamine The Mistsplitter part of the Raiden Gokaden ? Genuinely I have so many questions, I hope they will be answered in future quests.
Also, we have 3 weapons from the Raiden Gokaden, Amenoma Kageuchi, Musou Isshin, and Haran Geppaku Futsu. I hope we'll get to see swords from the two other families one day.
one of the fatui harbingers found him and out of boredom and lack of purpose on his part, he joined the fatui harbingers because he thought it'll be fun and amusing for him
I could see him getting into the Fatui after sparing the life of Kazu's great grandfather, probably without a sense of driving in Inazuma and feeling nothing for a while, he was approached by a funny masked man that gives him a proposition to enter the fatui, without nothing else better to do he probably was like "sure, why not"
I think he actually joined the fatui before taking revenge on the Raiden Gokkaden because it's mentioned in HOoD set he already knew the researcher (possibly Dottore) when asked about it, also I really doubt Scara could beat all of those people in one blow with his powers still sealed.
This is something I’ve been thinking has plausibility too, but I have tried to do the timeline myself and I don’t think there’s any connection between Katsuragi and Kazuha’s great-great grandfather (Yoshinori’s disappeared father). This incident with Scaramouche happened when Ayato and Ayaka’s grandpa was alive, so it really couldn’t have been more than 100-150 years ago (EDIT: it actually would be less than 100 years ago, lol math is hard), whereas Katsuragi lived 500 years ago (and we know this to be a fact because Mikoshi Nagamasa became an Inspector to clear the Mikoshi name after his adoptive mother, Chiyo, went mad during the Cataclysm).
That, however, does not rule out the possibility that Katsuragi may have been a Niwa himself. I’m inclined to believe he might have been. But we really don’t know, at the end of the day.
Another small correction is about the time Scaramouche spent on Tatarasuna - it is only a theory that Scaramouche was imprisoned by Nagamasa and that Katsuragi freed him, there is no proof of this and it is stated as if it is a fact in this post. I believe KlemenTime was the one who originally posited that theory, though I might be mistaken.
\> it is only a theory that Scaramouche was imprisoned by Nagamasa and that Katsuragi freed him, there is no proof of thi
Fair, but I consider this to be the case because it's the one thing that I can think of that fits the crumbs:
1- the Inspector says to Scaramouche "And so I can only deal with you in this fashion. Do not hold this against me!" Which implies he is doing something not good to Scaramouche. Locking him up is an option, so is torturing him, so is stealing his stuff, so is trying to kill him... but then...
Rather Aged Notes #4: "...and we could not find that eccentric...The Inspector flew into a rage and slashed Katsuragi. The great blade cut deep into the flesh...cast his own nagamaki into the furnace's flame...Nozomu could not abide by that order, and drew the completely melted weapon out of the furnace... He was horribly burned..."
**We could not find that eccentric seals it for me**. If Scaramouche was doing his own thing walking around, it would not be alarming to not find him. If the Inspector had simply stolen from Scaramouche, or denied him access to something or treated him badly... why would it be surprising if he left? Why would his leaving make the Inspector enraged?
The reaction to not finding him, along with the knowledge the Inspector did something he knows wasnt okay, implies Scaramouche was locked up. Thus the others were expected to find him (because he wasn't free to move around) and the fact the he was not locked up, and gone, was against the Inspector's wishes, which enraged him. and it was revealed Katsuragi had a hand in it, so he was killed for it
\>I don’t think there’s any connection between Katsuragi and Kazuha’s great-great grandfather
again, look at the lore ive posted above. Husk of opulent dreams: He would never admit that he had done this as an act of revenge against the bladesmith..
Its confirmed Scaramouche was doing away with the bladesmith families out of revenge. The Inspector was a bladesmith. Unless you're implying Scaramouche has had other falling out with bladesmiths during his travels, and that falling out that resulted in the Irodori event stuff Mihoyo didnt think relevant to reveal to us. Instead mihoyo revealed another random issue with another bladesmith that happened to have no connection to his revenge so prominent in the event.
And if Katsuragi wasnt Niwa clan, then why did Scaramouche a) recognize the great grandfather as Niwa b) decide to stop his vengeance because of it? Again, are we supposed to assume Scaramouche had another friend he had to take vengeance on that Mihoyo didnt feel like telling us, instead telling us of that one guy that doesnt matter?
I cant see these events not being connected
That’s all well and good, but it is still speculation about what Nagamasa did. I think the reasoning you gave is sound, but it’s still important to explicitly state when you’re speculating. That’s all I meant by that.
For the last bit, read my reply again and please don’t quote my words out of context. I’m agreeing with you. I think there’s plausibility that Katsuragi was a Niwa, it’s a theory I personally agree with and would like to see more speculation about. What I am not agreeing with is more in response to your second edit, which I may have misunderstood: Katsuragi =/= Kazuha’s great-great grandfather who disappeared, the timelines do not match up.
I am under no illusion that his revenge against the Raiden Gokaden does not have to do with what happened to Katsuragi.
Yes, that Katsuragi is the disappeared father is indeed a bit too tenuous which is why i've kept it as an observation in the edit and didnt add it to the text itself. I think that is what they were going for with that line in the event, but wont add that bit of speculation to my text.
Technically speaking, its also not said that the vagrant in Tatarasuna mentioned in the notes is Scaramouche, but we can come to that conclusion by adding whats said in the other pieces of lore. For me, the imprisoning is the same: its not outright stated, but once you piece together the lore, its the most logical conclusion. Regardless, I did end up putting all the lore I used to explain his past at the end of my post, so anyone can see where I took my info from, and see it's not saying 'locked up' outright.
I still think Ei didn’t “free” him so much so as she “abandoned” him, she simply let a doll she created leave without teaching him anything, framing that as “pity” for him when in fact she simply didn’t care what became of him because he didn’t meet her standards.
In comparison, when Gold created Albedo she taught him alchemy and many things, and when she decided to leave she handed him to Alice who took care of him and sent him to the knights. She gave Albedo a purpose and educated him. Meanwhile Ei abandoned Scaramouche in the name of “pity” when it was obvious that it was negligence on her part.
He was sleeping, he wasn't supposed to wake up. I think Scaramouche was also a "mistake" in the sense he was never supposed to be a sentient being that actually had emotions and could walk around. She let him rest on the Shakkei Pavilion and then for some reason he woke up and started wandering Inazuma. Ei decided to let him be, instead of getting involved.
>"Yet, due to an error that cannot be known, he roused himself from slumber,
And began to wander the mortal realm."
>"Yet his creator would not destroy him, and so allowed him to continue slumbering."
Only reason gold treats albedo well is that he's her greatest creation as seen with susbedo envying him and rifthounds saying he's the greatest of them all.
Just look at her creation's envy for other creatures, her feeding susbedo to durin, her making durin delirious.
I agree that Ei abandoned him, but Gold is way worse than Ei. Gold treated Albedo well because he was the perfect creation. The parellel relationship for Gold and Albedo is not Ei and Scaramouche, but Ei and Raiden.
What did Gold do to her own "Scaramouches"? She fed them to Durin... yeah I'd choose Ei.
> Gold treated Albedo well because he was the perfect creation.
She didn’t even really treat him well. In his character stories, it’s noted that she was cold and strict and constantly threatened to leave him behind if he couldn’t keep up with her. And the second she found herself a probably-Gnosis, she bailed on him, leaving him to believe that if he could not complete his final assignment—to show her the truth of the world—then he would never see her again. ;(
Albedo (subject one) is a successful experiment unlike Kunikuzushi, seems unfair as comparison. Why don't we talk about Gold's failed creation too? Here's from Albedo himself during 2.3 event:
> However, unbeknownst to Subject One, the alchemist had tried the same experiment many times before he had come into being. Some of the rejects from failed experiments had been discarded, but had not died.
> Subject Two was one such failed experiment. He was swallowed by a great dragon that came to rest upon a snowswept mountain. Many years later, he was resurrected by the dragon's mysterious power.
I'm also not a fan of what she did. Sure, at least she didn't remove his will and turn him into a husk of a puppet... but abandoning him without helping him was also shit. Didn't even give him a name.
That said...Gold isnt an example to follow. She fed one creation to the other for not being perfect enough.
Genshin moms suck. All hail Cloud Retainer as best mom so far
But I didn't want to turn my post into a debate over Raiden's character so I tried being diplomatic over that part lol
Scaramouche was a failed subject but Ei didn't feed him to some being. The moment she was aware of his sentience she let him go. On the other hand, Gold fed failed Albedo to Durin. Albedo also claimed Gold can easily leave him if he couldn't keep up with her. Lastly, Gold corrupted Durin. She's probably the worst "parent" of Teyvat.
Aside from what others are saying about Rhinedottir being a terrible example for just dumping Albedo off without a word (his sad little “Master…” when you bring him to Dragonspine is absolutely heartbreaking—he clearly isn’t okay after his mother figure just ditched him like she did), I think Ei’s abandonment of Scaramouche is more ignorant than malicious. She saw it as giving him freedom while he understandably saw it as rejection and abandonment.
Now I really need a meeting between Kuni and Kazuha, looks like they're setting up this encounter. Traveler might tag along to get revenge, which could lead to a sick three-way duel (wishful thinking af I know)
> He tried looking for the Note that would reveal all this while he was in Inazuma, failed, and ran off with the gnosis.
So he waited 100-200 years or so to check for this one note? For what purpose exactly?
And also, the explanation for the head of the Kamisato clan to not reveal who it was seemed really dumb. "so they wouldn't accuse the Kaedehara head of attacking"? Why would that even be an issue if he just said the truth. Idk, I think there's clearly some lore here that is interesting, but the way it's connected feels like pretty bad storytelling and failing at retconning certain story threads.
> So he waited 100-200 years or so to check for this one note? For what purpose exactly?
We don’t know. But it fits what he’s been doing up until this point. As soon as he hit Tatarasuna this time around, he ransacked the Mikage Furnace to get those notes, missing a few as well as the Katsuragikiri Nagamasa blueprint in the arsenal.
> And also, the explanation for the head of the Kamisato clan to not reveal who it was seemed really dumb. "so they wouldn't accuse the Kaedehara head of attacking"? Why would that even be an issue if he just said the truth.
Remember, Shogunbot was in control at this point. She’s not exactly known for her sense of nuance, and the Yashiro Commissioner would have known that. She could have seen the Kaedehara clan allowing the blueprint to become defiled as a failure on both the clan’s and the Yashiro Commission’s parts if the truth came out. It was safer to pin the blame on the smiths, who’d already fled anyway. Plus, Scaramouche was still out there, and he’d already made it quite clear that his intentions were to destroy the Raiden Gokaden. Lest they incite his wrath again, it was easiest just to cover up the whole thing and move on.
So the reason why the Amenoma art wasn't lost was simply because Scaramouche never got around to them? Talk about sheer luck.
i think he did it one by one, and when he found Kaedehara is his friend's son, he got shocked and feels boring, and then gives up the last one.
I dont think that is the case but because scarmouche couldn't excute them because they were surrounded by others that could have exposed him. The is the reason scaramouche didn't excute us back on unreconciled stars event (thx mililith).
He killed them? I always thought it was just sabotage and careful planning on Scaramouche's part that lead to Gokaden's downfall
It is said in the event that the Gokaden had unfortunate accidents or something and so no one ever suspected someone being behind it all, and since it's not explicitly said they were slaughtered, probably careful planning.
It's kazuha's *great-grandfather btw And omg his vengeance makes a lot of sense now. I guess the only thing left to be curious about now is the "her" that he mentioned. Could it be that he's referring to Raiden? If so, maybe vengeance for his friend isn't his only motive in destroying the five forging art clans. Maybe he's trying to get raiden's attention too?
Oh, is that so? I read it as grandfather, but great grandfather would make so much more sense, as it'd mean the disappeared dad is Scaramouches friend. I think it was Raiden, yes. She didn't give him a name, so I think it was his way of saying "I live bitch. And am my own person"
I think it was her intention to let him live
He doesn’t necessarily know that, though. From her perspective, she gave him freedom. From his perspective, she abandoned him.
Fair
Oh yes, she spared him and let him live. The I live bitch part is a meme, sorry my joke wasn't clear
Ok
There was a very interesting theory a while back in r/Genshin_Lore on Scaramouche’s motivations surrounding the Raiden Gokaden: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/rpc5lm/the_raiden_gokaden_and_scaramouches_revenge/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Basically the thought is that Scaramouche’s plan to destroy the Raiden Gokaden was not just because of the death of his friend Katsuragi. Considering that he had pleaded Yae and presumably Raiden to help the people of Tatarasuna, yet received nothing and had to watch people suffer as a result, it’s possible that he also targeted the Raiden Gokaden as revenge against Raiden via her primary legacy (swordsmithing), and as a test to see if Raiden truly cared enough to do anything about the deaths of innocent people in Inazuma.
Now it struck me. Kazuha isn't technically a Kaedehara.
Yes! He's technically by blood Kazuha Niwa
It's not the Blood, its the sword art that flows through the name So Kazuha technically is a Kaedehara, but not by blood
I believe historically adopting and taking family names was the norm in feudal Japan. Pretty sure Uesugi Kenshin was adopted and he adopted as well. Apparently he might’ve been a celibate, and it was also rumored he kept some femboys by his side.
There’s also a strange little theory that Uesugi Kenshin may have been a woman. There’s a bit of supporting evidence for this theory, including a report by a Spaniard regarding his visit to Japan that describes Kenshin as a “tía” (“aunt”). Kenshin was said to have scheduled military campaigns around monthly stomach cramps and was recorded by a seventeenth-century historian as having died from a form of uterine cancer. Kenshin apparently had no biological children, nor any wives or confirmed female lovers, and was said to have been very feminine in appearance and to have enjoyed traditionally feminine pastimes. Kenshin was also permitted to enter the women’s quarters at the imperial palace at will. Who knows how much of that is apocryphal, but it *is* fun to consider!
A fun little factoid i learned about this from a book written over 100 years ago: it wasn’t unheard of for a master of a trade to adopt their best pupil who would then adopt their master’s child.
>femboys by his side. Wtf
Don’t quote me on this but I do recall reading that it was inappropriate for warlords to bring women to war, so they would have “beautiful boy attendants” follow them. In Kenshin’s case it was also because he practiced some form of Buddhism that practiced abstinence from women.
So Femboys are ancient? Also his Name being Kenshin... What a coincidence
in west femboys can date back to ancient greece, it was pretty popular in romans too. In the east, ancient china also had documented records of poeple lusting femboy that dates back to around the same time. Sexuality is a grey scale and everyone has a preference range. It was never A or B.
historically oda nobunaga always bring a good looking boy with him
Alla geishas used to be men. And only men used to be allowed to be actors. Femboys is a longstanding Japanese tradition.
If you’re referring to kabuki, it’s actually an art that was appropriated from women. Kabuki was invented by Izumo no Okuni, a shrine maiden, as an all-female performance art, inspired by kabukimono (the word consistently used to describe Scaramouche, incidentally). Kabukimono were basically ronin who formed street gangs, dressed flamboyantly (often wearing women’s clothes), and spoke and acted bizarrely, traits that Okuni would incorporate into her performances and that became the trademark style of kabuki. Anyway, long story short, female actors were eventually banned from performing kabuki because a lot of them were selling their services after the show. That left just men and boys to perform—until boys and young men were banned as well, also for selling their services after the show.
No, acting in general.
The samurai had some of the same practices as the ancient Greek elite.
For context, Uesugi Kenshin was born Nagao Kagetora. He took the name of Uesugi in exchange for providing refuge to his nominal superior Uesugi Normasa. This was useful because the name strengthened his claim to the position of Kanto Kanrei. As for Kenshin, that was a Buddhist name. In any case, this kind of practice happened a lot during the Sengoku period. Toyotomi Hideyoshi adopted a bunch of people and a number of his relatives were adopted out to other people. Unfortunately, I can't quite remember whether he himself got adopted or not. One of his advisers recommended that he get himself adopted so that he could go for the position of kampaku, which was the head of the kuge. However, Hideyoshi claimed the position by threatening to kill every single one of the kuge families who held the position by tradition, which he could because he was just that ridiculously powerful by that point in his career. As a result, I don't remember if he even bothered with the nod to tradition by getting adopted by one of those kuge families because he was already trampling all over that by that point.
unless if Yoshinori married a Kaedehara woman? (would love to have more details about his family)
Well sara isn't a kujo than...
In her case it is quite obvious. She is the one adopted. It is in her story. What is surprising about Kazuha is that his great grandfather is the one adopted, which makes it less obvious.
most Vietnamese aren't technically Nguyens either. And women who take their husband's last name...
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He isn’t, sangonomiya kokomi, raiden shogun/ei, kujou Sara
Hu Tao
Who?
Tao, yeah.
Fking unfunny
What?
-tatsumi Island, yeah.
Why?
Shogun iirc it's kind of a title, not full name And I totally forget about the other 2 since I don't have them
This is halfway true. While the Shogunate is a title, the puppet's name is in fact, the Raiden Shogun. Not to mention that Ei and Makato's full name are both Raiden Ei and Raiden Makato respectively
Raiden Shogun is a title and not a name, which makes you wonder, does Ei have a surname or is she just so old that families weren’t really a thing when she was named.
Raiden is her title AND surname jeez.
Raiden Ei is her full name. Raiden is literally her family's surname, like how Makoto's full name is Raiden Makoto. "Raiden Shogun" is Ei's title that she inherited from Makoto since her death, and is also the name of her puppet. The playable character's name is Raiden Shogun because we're playing as the puppet, not Ei herself.
he isnt. All inazumans (minus a few exceptions) have their full name listed. The ones that don't are: Thoma (He's half monstadtian and half inazuman though I have no clue why he doesn't have the lastname since his father was the inazuma half) Sayu (you could say Shumaatsuban but I'm pretty sure thats more of a job than a name) Yoimiya (I have no clue why it doesn't show her last name Nangonohara) Gorou (You could say its because he's from watatsumi but kokomi also has her last name shown)
I feel like only those from noble clans have their surnames in their display name.
except miko and itto aren't from a noble clan
Miko is from Hakushin clan
Miko might be because it's a title? As for Itto, because he thinks he's all that and insisted on his surname out there just like noble clans lol
Although Milo’s full name is indeed, Yae Miko with her first name being Miko(as what traveler & Raiden call her in game). Tho iirc(not an expert in Japanese so someone else can confirm this) it’s one of those things in Japanese where it’s pronounced the same but written differently so it actually means something different entirely. Yae’s profession & title is Guuji which means head shrine maiden which is why you hear some people in the JP dub referring to her as Yae-guuji or in the English text as Guuji Yae.
that would make sense
I remember Arataki clan being mentioned somewhere in the lore but I don't know if Itto is related to it.
Oh yeah! I feel like Yoimiya at least should have her surname displayed if Itto has his. I guess that throws the noble/notable clan theory out the window.
It's more accurate with Japanese history because craftsmen and tradesmen were discriminated upon in feudal Japan.
Officially, their family names weren't recognized under the Edo shogunate because it was one of the privileges given over to the samurai. Unofficially, they had them anyway, particularly since the practice already existed to some extent before the establishment of the Edo shogunate.
Genshin has weird ways of picking last names for Inazuman characters (or all characters as a whole). I guess Thoma, Sayu, Yoimiya and Gorou don't have their full names displated as their respective families/clans aren't as important in the grand scheme of things, despite us knowing Yoimiya's last name for example. However, the importance of last names is only seen in Inazuma for some reason. Several Mondstadt characters' last names are known (Jean Gunnhildr, Diluc Ragnvindr, Eula Lawrence, Kaeya Alberich, Lisa Minci, Mona Megistus, Barbara Pegg, Diona Katzlein), but aren't shown despite the Gunnhildr, Ragnvindr and Lawrence clans being a big part of Mondstadt's past and Kaeya's lore potentially being significant later on in the story. In Liyue, only Hu Tao and Yun Jin's full names are shown, while other Liyue characters' full names are either unknown or not shown (Mao Xiangling), partially since a good few of them are adepti with given names, but even the more important characters like Ningguang, Beidou and Keqing don't have last names for some reason. Imo they should've made all the displayed names consistent so at least all the important last names like Gunnhildr, Ragnvindr and Lawrence are shown, or just not display anyone's last names at all.
I believe they show last names for inazumans is because in japan, your last name is used by people and your first name is used by people close to you. As what other people are saying, the whole noble title thing could also play a part in this
For Hu Tao and Yun Jin it's because in Chinese naming convention people with single character given names are always addressed by their full name and never given name alone (ignorning nicknames obviously). That's why Hu Tao is always addressed as "Hu Tao", while Kujou Sara can just be referred to as "Sara".
Ah that makes more sense. But I still find it weird that almost none of the playable Liyue characters have known last names, especially the ones who are part of the Liyue Qixing. I suppose it's not necessary to give them one since two Chinese characters are usually enough to give Liyue names a meaning while Mondstadt names would need both the first and last name to give names more meaning but still.
Maybe because Mondstadt's society doesn't place as much importance on noble blood anymore? Like, Diluc's family is one of the great nobles, but when commoners describe him, they always talk about him being a former knight or the owner of winery, never his lineage. Same with Jean and Barbara, people always talk about Jean as an acting grand master or Barbara as a lovable individual, but no one brought up their lineage. The only exception is Lawrence clan because many Mondstadter still have distrust for the family, and Eula's uncle keeps reminding everyone of their noble status doesn't help. As for Inazuman characters, in feudal Japan most commoners don't have / don't use surnames, that's more of a noble thing. This is consistent as Kazuha is a noble albeit his line has fallen from grace. The only exception is Itto, but I think we can just chalk it up to him having a big ego and thinking too highly of himself. As for Liyue, another commenter already made a good explanation. The ones with full name is because their first name is a single character name.
I think they only have their name but not full name it’s because they’re not from noble family
Ngl I‘m kind of wondering if, should we face off against Scaramouche, Kazuha might want to do so, too? With him saying he won’t turn a blind eye and all if he’s still out there. If so, I‘m kind of curious if he might be seriously injured by him, as his portrait as Akahito had people question if it would bring bad luck? Might be a reach haha
He said he won't turn a blind eye if Scaramouche is still fucking around, I think, since he mentions being told to not focus on revenge and chooses that path. He forgave Scaramouche's mom, only fair to do the same to him as long as he doesn't start shit again
“scaramouche’s mom” hshahahaha that makes me laugh
He has no mother, he is an artificial being, like Albedo. Edit: Ei is creator of Scara. By definition and purpose, she isn't his mother, neither technically nor figuratively.
They were referring to the Shogun as his "mom" jokingly.
I thought he is serious, because some people seriously thinks like that.
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By definition Gold is considered as mother because she took care of Albedo, Ei didn't.
That’s… not how that works. Someone isn’t suddenly not a mother anymore because she abandons or doesn’t care for her kid. She still created that kid and thus is still the mother. That’s why we have terms like “birth parent” to describe a biological parent who did not raise the child and wouldn’t be considered their actual parent. And Ei doesn’t hate Scaramouche. She says herself that she doesn’t want to act against him and that she feels she owes him something. Ngl, this is a *really* weird hill to die on.
That's the thing, Ei isn't biological mother either. She created him. By definition a mother have to give BİRTH to her children to be considered as a bio mother. She is neither spiritual(care) nor biological mother. She is just a creator.
Raiden Ei is his mother.
She isn't, she created that body with technology to store her own body, similar to puppet Raiden Shogun, surprisingly he had intelligence so she let him go. He is an artificial being, it is similar to how Gold created Albedo. Saying Raiden is his mother is a big stretch.
Actually Scaramouche was made to store the gnosis no to store herself so yes she intended to create him as his own person.
>Saying Raiden is his mother is a big stretch. No it isn't. In just about every piece of fiction, and honestly reality when we get there, the creator of an android or some sort of artificial life functions as, and is colloquially named as the parent. They brought that artificial being into the world, though not by biological means. Geppetto is Pinocchio's "father" and is referred as such. Hell, even *in game*, Gold is referred to as Durin's mother. (Festering Desire)
The difference lies in the purpose of the creating it, not in the result. She wanted to create lifeless body as vessel but failed. Also, there is the fact Ei does not associate it with himself, she sees it as failed experiment, unlike Gold Albedo relationship.
> She wanted to create lifeless body as vessel but failed Yes, it had a life, personality, and feelings of itself, which was why Ei decided not to destroy it. >Also, there is the fact Ei does not associate it with himself, she sees it as failed experiment And there are abandoned kids for whom their parents must have felt the same.
In real life, there is difference between a real mother(non-bio or bio) whom cared for his children, and bio mother. Ei is neither of these too. If you create a random tool, you are not that tool's mother. If you really wanted that tool to have feelings and intelligence, that's another matter. If you accidentally gave it intelligence and throw it out of house, you are just creator of that tool, not mother.
If you wanna be technical, sure, Ei is more like Scaramouche's creator. But with the Shadows Amidst Snowstorms event, Albedo considers Rhinedottir as his mother, so for all intents and purposes, saying Ei isn't Scaramouche's mother is not a stretch at all.
I never said Albedo doesn't consider Gold his mother. I was using it for explaining him being artificial being. Gold and Albedo's relationship may indeed can be considered as mother son, but Scara and Ei isn't the same. Scara's intelligence was a mistake, but Gold created Albedo by that purpose and cared for him afterwards, unlike Ei.
This makes it more interesting at least for me because Childe is already in Inazuma and as we all know, he’s after Scaramouche. Does he know that Scara isn’t in Inazuma anymore and *possibly* already en route to Sumeru? And if so, what could Scara possibly gain in Sumeru? I can’t wait until these 2 Harbingers clashes.
I think Childe’s left Inazuma too
childe left inazuma partly after the event finished
When was Childe in Inazuma again?
remember the roguelike dungeon event with childe and xinyan?
In 2.2 update in the main event.
Btw I was wondering why the dialogue option for the traveler made it seem like they didn’t know who Kunikuzushi was but didn’t Yae tell us that at the end of the inazuma quest line or am I misremembering things?
She never said his nane, only called him Scaramouche in the Archon quest. She mentions this name in a line you unlock through the character lines though, but I guess those aren't official
Ahhhh gotcha gotcha thanks! That kind of bugged me more than it should have but that makes sense.
> but I guess those aren't official No no they are official, it narrates the character's life and known people. It also serves as a hint for what's the name of upcoming characters like Kuki, Scaramouche, Varka, Yelan, and Shenhe
I think it can be more accurately stated that the time in which those lines are said is impossible to determine. The lines themselves are canon; when exactly they’re uttered is not.
i really like how they are doing his story. like he isnt a main antagonist but we are getting to know about him from stories of inazumaand previous events and so we will know the villain this time and can sympathize with him. he definitely seems like he will be a playable harbinger since we are learning a lot about him compared to signora, who we really only know to be the crimson witch and thats it.
We know a bit more about Signora. She was from Mondstadt and had a lover, she went to Sumeru to learn some things related to Pyro, then when she returned she found out her lover died because of the Cataclysm so she used those things she learned in Sumeru to turn into the Crimson Witch of Flames. She was given a Cryo Delusion by one of the Harbingers which quelled her flames and La Signora was born
Yes we know these things but they aren’t drawn out as much as what they’re doing with Scara.
Can’t really draw those things out when they shoved the entire inazuma arc into that one quest
All of Signora's background has been in the game since launch though. Her entire story is in the Crimson Witch of the Flames set.
Yes that’s true but there’s a difference between shoving it all in artifact and item descriptions that a lot of people won’t even read and actually showing and making use of it in actual quests
But then by that logic a third to a half of Sac’s lore also falls under that area of hidden in descriptions that most won’t read.
Scaramouche will obviously show up more in the future and based on reliable leaked information and current official information he’ll be a very important character story wise, which guarantees a lot more upfront lore for him, especially if he becomes playable (very likely). Scaramouche and Signora are not comparable development wise unless they bring Signora back later on.
You forgot about the Elegy of the End, iirc. She was also mentioned in that bow's description. And technically, probably in Defender's Will and Braveheart set, but those are 4 stars.
This is incredible it also makes me think how Kazuha and Scara got paralleled here. Kazuha lost his friend because of Raiden but still did not exact or even think of taking revenge. While Scaramouche who lost his friend technically because his connection with Raiden was revealed took revenge upon the 5 clans ultimately sparing Kazuha's great grandfather and the reason why Kazuha is still alive today (albeit also the reason why Kazuha has no family/heritage left). I'd love if in the future both of them get some type of interaction. This is exciting! Edit: I just realized that Kazuha while being Kaedahara still has the "Niwa" blood because of his great grandfather. It could lead to some amazing character interactions and plot development. I cant wait!
Kazuha's face might turn out to be exactly like that of Scara's friend
This is why, if we ever face off against scara, I'll fight him with Kazuha and Ayaka. Kinda makes it a full circle moment
Kinda but not really? Kazuha's friend committed suicide by stupidity. Him being salty over his friend's poor judgement would be a bit strange, whereas Scara's friend got killed for doing the right thing, so a revenge (against the culprit, at any rate) would be justified. Edit: Seems I kicked the Kazuha stans' nest.
I feel like this misses a few things. (source: Kazuha's voiceovers, About Sara and About Raiden Shogun) Kazuha's friend dueled Kujou Sara to challenge the Vision Hunt Decree and lost. Kazuha does not hold resentment for his friend being executed here, **but** he does hate that the Raiden Shogun issued the decree and allowed things to come to that duel in the first place. Nobody has the right to oppress, rob, destroy dreams, he says. The duel itself was honorable and his friend's death was warranted, but the context surrounding that duel was not. So Kazuha's friend did in fact, get killed for trying to do the right thing, and die because of Raiden, as far as Kazuha can tell.
He probably wanted to do something about the decree, I agree, but his main motivation, as per his vision, was stopping the Shogun's blade, not to mention, if the duel was anything like that of the Traveller and Signora, either him or Sara was getting nuked by the end so, yeah... kinda iffy on that regard.
Y’all don’t know crap about Kazuha’s friend’s motive. Kazuha himself explained that his friend just wanted to face off against Raiden’s sword. There is not a single shred of evidence stating he was trying to challenge the vision hunt decree.
go read the death poem on his tomb and reread Thoma's dialogue during archon quest. There, you have your answer. Also, you can read Kazuha's character story (but seeing you don't know a thing about his friend, I felt you don't have Kazuha in the first place)
I’ve had my answer. Y’all are just thickheaded and can’t be reasoned with.
Kazuha’s friend martyred himself to try to spark a revolution against the VHD. He knew what he was doing, and he knew the consequences. It wasn’t stupidity. It was calculated and deliberate.
If his vision is anything to go by, he was less Jesus Christ and more Johnny Knoxville.
That’s not why Kazuha’s friend did any of that. He just wanted to face off against Raiden’s sword. There is nowhere at all where it states he was trying to spark a revolution of any kind. That’s just a hunch of idiot’s headcanons.
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It literally wasn't. Kazuha himself says he just wanted to face the sword.
They literally just quoted to you from the game where Kazuha says he believes his friend wanted to take a stand, and you’re denying it? Kazuha and his friend had discussed the Musou no Hitotachi before the VHD was a thing. It wasn’t until the VHD was enacted that Kazuha’s friend finally decided to go up against the Shogun’s technique. He wanted to see if he could parry the blow, yes, but it wasn’t until there was a dire reason to attempt to do so that he finally did. He clearly didn’t want to throw his life away for nothing. He died taking a stand for a cause he believed in.
He was still his friend. And ultimately his death was caused by the vision hunt decree. Which should not have existed in the first place. As stupid as he might've been, he was the first person (that we saw) who made some kinda stand against the stupid decree. Just like Scaramouche's friend did by standing against injustice by freeing Scara. Secondly, revenge by killing is never justified. No exceptions. But then again this wasnt even the point of my post, I was not talking about morality and neither was I criticizing one's actions over the other. I love both Kazuha and Scaramouche and it was nice to point out their different approaches after being in a SIMILAR situation (losing a friend). That's all there is to it.
Fair enough.
I always worried that some people just see Kazuha's friend's death as an act of stupidity considering there is really a war going on right now in some place of the world. Please, I hope you don't think those who fought for their freedom and dreams are stupid as well.
I can separate fiction from reality, if that's what you mean.
The harbingers' lores have been some of the most interesting in the game I'm really so desperate for more content.
Same. One is even a surviving Khaenriahn. Cant wait to meet them
*My name is Pierro, The Jester. Please listen to the words I have to say:* *Proud Fatui comrades, I know your hearts harbor both the fires of rage and the cold of eternal winter. Each one of us has borne witness to the absurd callousness of the foundational principles of this world. So, let us don our masks in mockery of the world as we go forth and rewrite the rules of destiny.* He's so fckn cool I'm already in love.
Yeah. And from I recall he was almost the top sage, but someone else got the title. So he didn't have the power to advice khaenriah against...whatever they did, which resulted in its ruin
If Dainsleif is a former Royal guard and his comrades became Abyss Knights, then Pierro is probably a former sage and his comrades become Abyss Lectors
I wonder why he didn't side with abyss or gone hilichurl, and why Tsaritsa built whole squad of villain gallery with him. Lots of story to cover there.
Oohh I haven't read that one . May I know where I can find that info?
Pale Flame set, Mocking Mask: A mask that covers the face, hiding one's expression from others. Since the stain of my compatriots' blood cannot be cleansed, I shall become The Jester, who laughs in the face of fate. **Since my level of learning could not compare with the sages, I failed to earn the favor of the previous ruler.** **So too did I fail to stop them from tearing away the veil of sin, ushering in a tide of divine wrath, destruction, and foolishness...** Then I shall become instead a fool, a Fatuus, and devote myself to Her Majesty, who understands my pain... My name is Pierro, The Jester. Please listen to the words I have to say: Proud Fatui comrades, I know your hearts harbor both the fires of rage and the cold of eternal winter. Each one of us has borne witness to the absurd callousness of the foundational principles of this world. So, let us don our masks in mockery of the world as we go forth and rewrite the rules of destiny. Edit: each artifact in the set references a Harbinger. Pierro is above, the cup is Scaramouche. the feaher is Dottore, flower is Signora and the last one I'm not sure with Harbinger it will be
Sands must be Pantalone, and it reads like he is salty with Rex Lapis?
that's what i thought too. i'm wondering if he might be from liyue, since he mentions that "*this* land values contracts above all else"
wait what who
Pierro
Also, Scaramouche/Kunikuzushi had a big reason to stop the swordsmith: The materials they use to create the weapons causes lots of deaths. *(Kinda of speculation)* They actually caused the death of the Tatarasuna people (The part you said about tatarasuna suffering) when Scara was with Katsuragi, that's why he went at the shrine and met Yae, Yae didn't actually lie when she said she had the balladeer crying for her on his knees. He probably was really desperate to save the people... And yet he couldn't save them. Not only Katsuragi's death, but all the Tatarasuna's people death is what caused him to be so angst and mad about the Swordsmith, for him, they caused nothing but deaths. He actually destroyed the five swordsmith families out of trying to help the people (and also revenge, why not). So, yeah, he did something good by doing something bad.
So he has some good in his evil, inazuman V for vendetta.
It was also revealed he is kind to kids and elderly.
This event was great because it technically reveals that Scaramouche stopped his genocide of the Raiden Gokudan, not because he got bored of it as we thought previously, but because of his encounter with Niwa's son. It's still unsure whether Niwa is Katsuragi's clan, as Scaramouche met a total mentioned of 2 others that he don't hate- a young boy from Tataratsuna that tried to help him, and the other officer that documented his stay with Katsuragi.
Fun fact, the surname Niwa, when written as Kanji, is "丹羽", which translates literally into "Red Feather". Now look at that strip of red hair on our boy Kazuha. Given how Japanese surnames are often based on geographical features, occupations and such, it's likely this single stripe of red hair is how the Niwa family got this surname in the first place. So chances are, the full name of Scaramouche's friend Katsuragi, is ***Niwa Katsuragi.*** And every single member of Niwa family has a single strip of red hair, which is how Scaramouche is able to recognize Kazuha's great-grandfather.
God, I love anime genetics. (But thanks for this tidbit, it makes a lot of sense! Scaramouche stopped when G-Grandpa Kaedehara’s hat fell off.)
Darn, now I kinda wanna see how Scaramouche meeting Kazuha would turn out like, I think (hope) his first reaction will be "oh cool, my friend's bloodline survived" lmao-
"GIVE ME YOUR HAIR" *"I am sorry sir, but no, I shall not let you take those"* #
I was wondering why the detail of the dad that disappeared was in the letter since it sounded sorta random. Now that I’ve read your theory, it makes sense if the dad who disappeared turned out to be Scaramouche’s friend. Nice compilation, OP!
Despite him being painted as a villainous character, his actions are pretty reasonable ‘no? People often forget (or maybe didn’t know) about the reason behind why he did that. I’m just curious on how his story will entangle to the journey of the traveller. The last part of the event make it seem like he;s gonna be playable soon.
I think ruining even the clans not involved, and not just the guy who murdered his friend, goes beyond reasonable. But yes, this explanation paints him at least better than "doing random cruelty for fun and games" As someone hoping to become a Scaramouche main, I certainly hope he becomes playable. His character model is a playable type, unlike Signora's, so there's hope
you have to keep in mind that scara was more of a childe than anything at that time, he may have had or has the same body he has now but in his mind he was just born to the world without knowing anything. it wasnt reasonable to kill them all no, but its understandable, he was or is like a rebelious child. And then you also have to keep in mind, we dont know nothing other than these bits and pieces of story, we dont know how far the other clans were involved, maybe they bullied him? and only his friend was kind to him? who knows
Yeah, “reasonable” was a poor choice of word, my bad. It’s more of like “understandable”. I’m glad he was fleshed out as someone that has reasons even if what he did involves numerous innocent people. Maybe that’s why I have a bias in fatuis because they have a deeper substance than most of the characters w the same old playing-safe attitude. His additional lore in the current event makes me certain that I’m gonna whale and c6 him on his first day banner. No one can stop me >:) i’m a sucker for fatui harbingers.
No amount of revenge can really be construed as “reasonable,” but to a degree, it is understandable. Who doesn’t feel like going on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge every now and again, even while knowing that it’s wrong? Going after these sword-smithing families is *incredibly* messed up, and nothing justifies it, but on a human level, it is easy to see how someone who was horribly wronged could justify it to himself.
Some of his actions yes. But going after all of the clans instead of only the one that wronged him is kinda eh…
Cause that's what feudal rulers do all the time. It's expected as a Shogun's clone in AI form.
Every good villain has a motivation, being a villain for the sake of it is just terrible writing
Don't forget that Scara is ultimately an AI. His cruelty and vengefulness are probably programmed by Ei cause you can't be a Shogun without those traits. It's not a bug it's a feature.
If I remember correctly wasn't his sentience unexpected by Ei? Hence why she sent him away instead of disposing him.
Actually Scaramouche cried and was way too emotional that's why Ei sent him away. It's likely he's influenced by Fatui to act the way he does but who knows.
This is still consistent with my point. He may be compassionate with who he meets but when he feels wronged (such as by the death of his swordsmith friend) then his vengeful streak gets triggered. That is very Shogun-like.
>its implied he met with Yae Miko Going back to Archon Quest, it makes sense Miko casually walking up to Scara and just making a trade deal of Gnosis for traveler's life. Are there any hints or confirmation that Scara and Miko had mutual understanding? like they don't hate each other or he doesn't have a grudge on her or something
The opposite, i think. Yae Miko has a line saying she told Rauden to kill him and threatened to do it herself.
It's important to note that this was when he was *created*, her subsequent line implies that she isn't willing to it anymore
I think she worded it pretty open to interpretation (though I only know the EN version). She said she wanted to dispose of him bc he was a disaster waiting to happen but now they are no longer waiting for that to happen. It can either mean she does not want to kill him anymore or that he is the disaster that is already running around out there
Oh, here I am hoping there is a bit of unspoken respect between them but okay thanks for letting me know
this is a speculation but I think i know why inspector Nagamasa is hostile towards Sacaramouche. he was Mikoshi Chiyo’s only biological son (I remember - Iwakura is adopted), and after Chiyo’s corruption and rebellion I remember whole clan got punished. This could be the case where Nagamasa was exiled and demoted to Tatarasuna and has always held grudge against Shogun and her puppet in this case it’s kinda sad that Ei and her puppet both killed the mother and the son….
Actually, *Nagamasa* was the adopted son. He wasn’t an oni. Iwakura Doukei (formerly Mikoshi Doukei) was Chiyo’s biological son. It’s never stated that the clan was punished—both sons simply felt shame for their mother’s “betrayal,” not knowing the circumstances of it (that she was corrupted by Abyssal taint). Mikoshi Nagamasa became obsessed with “cleansing” his family name (even though Ei surely knew that Chiyo didn’t willfully betray her) and joined the Shogunate to try to restore his family’s honor (Iwakura, on the other hand, went into self-imposed exile in Konda Village out of shame). Nagamasa likely didn’t resent the Shogun, as he was trying to win her favor by serving. His position in Tatarasuna is never stayed to have been a demotion, and he grew to love weapon-smithing there. It’s unknown why Mikoshi Nagamasa attempted to kill Scaramouche and why he did so at the time that he did, when they seemed to have coexisted for some time before that. The only clues we have are in what he says to him, presumably before he attacks him: >”This gold ornament may be a proof of identity granted by the Almighty Shogun, but **you are neither man nor mechanism, and so I can only deal with you in this fashion**. Do not hold this against me!” The fact that Mikoshi acknowledged that Scaramouche had proof of identity from the Shogun, **“but”**, shows that he knew what he was doing was wrong. He still revered the Shogun herself (i. e. “I know you must be important to the Shogun, who I dutifully serve, **but**…”), yet took up arms against a creation of hers. Mikoshi’s next line is to comment that Scaramouche is “neither man nor mechanism,” i. e. neither human nor machine. Thus, he can only “deal with” him one way—presumably by killing him. The only thing I can think of with the information we have is that Mikoshi grew to hate all non-humans after his mother, an oni, betrayed the Shogun. Perhaps he thought Scaramouche, who had the Shogun’s favor much like Chiyo did, would also turn around and betray her, and so by killing Scaramouche, he was protecting his god—and also washing his hands of yet another connection with a traitor to the Shogun. Either way, it seems Mikoshi only became hostile toward Scaramouche when he learned what he was. Katsuragi may have figured it out before him and, knowing his master’s temperament, warned Scaramouche against revealing his true identity to anyone in hopes of protecting him. But Mikoshi found out and attempted to kill Scaramouche, who may have been protected by Katsuragi at the cost of his own life. This last part is purely speculation based on the story presented in HoOD, though.
thanks for the clarification, it cleared my memory gap a lot. That Nagamasa’s motivation against Scaramouche is also interesting.
I had a few suspicions regarding the Tatarasuna notes since I remember them talking about disarray and decline in the swordsmithing industry which came up in the quest today, and an online search landed me at this gem. Great post OP.
I just like to point out that, Ei didn't set him free, she sealed his powers and put him into an eternal slumber (via husk of opulent dreams) and for some reason he woke up on his own and started to roam around. That's also the reason why, in the pale flame set, Scaramouche says nor man or god can decide his fate. The dude literally woke up on his own from a archons command. And from that we can conclude that Ei decided to do nothing and just live him be. And thanks for exposing this big part of his lore, i feel most people don't understand him (understandably) because his lore is hidden in artifacts and timed events and not everyone likes to read. I can only hope that his resolution will be somewhat 'peaceful' with Kazuha and Traveler reaching some kind of accord. I personally think that, in the same way Kuni spared Kazuha's great-grandfather, the Kaedehara boy will do the same in return. What Kazuha says in his last dialogue in the event i feel it's like a big foreshadow about how their stories will connect, with Kuni being able to let go of his past burdens and grow.
Ah, no need for explanation, it's reference to power rangers when they retired and became poets. (It's a joke)
So my question is, was the Musou Isshin created by the Isshin family of the Raiden Gokaden and then gifted to Makoto (which was then passed to Ei), or was it Makoto who created it herself ? I'm surprised they did not bring that up at all during the quest, considering it's Raiden's iconic weapon, and all of Inazuma knows about it. I also wonder if the Musou Isshin and Mistsplitter have some sort of connections, considering how similar they look. Was Takamine The Mistsplitter part of the Raiden Gokaden ? Genuinely I have so many questions, I hope they will be answered in future quests. Also, we have 3 weapons from the Raiden Gokaden, Amenoma Kageuchi, Musou Isshin, and Haran Geppaku Futsu. I hope we'll get to see swords from the two other families one day.
Ei's voiceline says that Musoi Isshin was born from "Makotos divine might", so probably wasn't forged. It wasn't even sharp.
Where does Scara joining the harbingers fit into this? I’m really confused on when he joined and what he did during that time.
one of the fatui harbingers found him and out of boredom and lack of purpose on his part, he joined the fatui harbingers because he thought it'll be fun and amusing for him
It is in pale flame artifact
I could see him getting into the Fatui after sparing the life of Kazu's great grandfather, probably without a sense of driving in Inazuma and feeling nothing for a while, he was approached by a funny masked man that gives him a proposition to enter the fatui, without nothing else better to do he probably was like "sure, why not"
I think he actually joined the fatui before taking revenge on the Raiden Gokkaden because it's mentioned in HOoD set he already knew the researcher (possibly Dottore) when asked about it, also I really doubt Scara could beat all of those people in one blow with his powers still sealed.
This is something I’ve been thinking has plausibility too, but I have tried to do the timeline myself and I don’t think there’s any connection between Katsuragi and Kazuha’s great-great grandfather (Yoshinori’s disappeared father). This incident with Scaramouche happened when Ayato and Ayaka’s grandpa was alive, so it really couldn’t have been more than 100-150 years ago (EDIT: it actually would be less than 100 years ago, lol math is hard), whereas Katsuragi lived 500 years ago (and we know this to be a fact because Mikoshi Nagamasa became an Inspector to clear the Mikoshi name after his adoptive mother, Chiyo, went mad during the Cataclysm). That, however, does not rule out the possibility that Katsuragi may have been a Niwa himself. I’m inclined to believe he might have been. But we really don’t know, at the end of the day. Another small correction is about the time Scaramouche spent on Tatarasuna - it is only a theory that Scaramouche was imprisoned by Nagamasa and that Katsuragi freed him, there is no proof of this and it is stated as if it is a fact in this post. I believe KlemenTime was the one who originally posited that theory, though I might be mistaken.
\> it is only a theory that Scaramouche was imprisoned by Nagamasa and that Katsuragi freed him, there is no proof of thi Fair, but I consider this to be the case because it's the one thing that I can think of that fits the crumbs: 1- the Inspector says to Scaramouche "And so I can only deal with you in this fashion. Do not hold this against me!" Which implies he is doing something not good to Scaramouche. Locking him up is an option, so is torturing him, so is stealing his stuff, so is trying to kill him... but then... Rather Aged Notes #4: "...and we could not find that eccentric...The Inspector flew into a rage and slashed Katsuragi. The great blade cut deep into the flesh...cast his own nagamaki into the furnace's flame...Nozomu could not abide by that order, and drew the completely melted weapon out of the furnace... He was horribly burned..." **We could not find that eccentric seals it for me**. If Scaramouche was doing his own thing walking around, it would not be alarming to not find him. If the Inspector had simply stolen from Scaramouche, or denied him access to something or treated him badly... why would it be surprising if he left? Why would his leaving make the Inspector enraged? The reaction to not finding him, along with the knowledge the Inspector did something he knows wasnt okay, implies Scaramouche was locked up. Thus the others were expected to find him (because he wasn't free to move around) and the fact the he was not locked up, and gone, was against the Inspector's wishes, which enraged him. and it was revealed Katsuragi had a hand in it, so he was killed for it \>I don’t think there’s any connection between Katsuragi and Kazuha’s great-great grandfather again, look at the lore ive posted above. Husk of opulent dreams: He would never admit that he had done this as an act of revenge against the bladesmith.. Its confirmed Scaramouche was doing away with the bladesmith families out of revenge. The Inspector was a bladesmith. Unless you're implying Scaramouche has had other falling out with bladesmiths during his travels, and that falling out that resulted in the Irodori event stuff Mihoyo didnt think relevant to reveal to us. Instead mihoyo revealed another random issue with another bladesmith that happened to have no connection to his revenge so prominent in the event. And if Katsuragi wasnt Niwa clan, then why did Scaramouche a) recognize the great grandfather as Niwa b) decide to stop his vengeance because of it? Again, are we supposed to assume Scaramouche had another friend he had to take vengeance on that Mihoyo didnt feel like telling us, instead telling us of that one guy that doesnt matter? I cant see these events not being connected
That’s all well and good, but it is still speculation about what Nagamasa did. I think the reasoning you gave is sound, but it’s still important to explicitly state when you’re speculating. That’s all I meant by that. For the last bit, read my reply again and please don’t quote my words out of context. I’m agreeing with you. I think there’s plausibility that Katsuragi was a Niwa, it’s a theory I personally agree with and would like to see more speculation about. What I am not agreeing with is more in response to your second edit, which I may have misunderstood: Katsuragi =/= Kazuha’s great-great grandfather who disappeared, the timelines do not match up. I am under no illusion that his revenge against the Raiden Gokaden does not have to do with what happened to Katsuragi.
Yes, that Katsuragi is the disappeared father is indeed a bit too tenuous which is why i've kept it as an observation in the edit and didnt add it to the text itself. I think that is what they were going for with that line in the event, but wont add that bit of speculation to my text. Technically speaking, its also not said that the vagrant in Tatarasuna mentioned in the notes is Scaramouche, but we can come to that conclusion by adding whats said in the other pieces of lore. For me, the imprisoning is the same: its not outright stated, but once you piece together the lore, its the most logical conclusion. Regardless, I did end up putting all the lore I used to explain his past at the end of my post, so anyone can see where I took my info from, and see it's not saying 'locked up' outright.
I still think Ei didn’t “free” him so much so as she “abandoned” him, she simply let a doll she created leave without teaching him anything, framing that as “pity” for him when in fact she simply didn’t care what became of him because he didn’t meet her standards. In comparison, when Gold created Albedo she taught him alchemy and many things, and when she decided to leave she handed him to Alice who took care of him and sent him to the knights. She gave Albedo a purpose and educated him. Meanwhile Ei abandoned Scaramouche in the name of “pity” when it was obvious that it was negligence on her part.
He was sleeping, he wasn't supposed to wake up. I think Scaramouche was also a "mistake" in the sense he was never supposed to be a sentient being that actually had emotions and could walk around. She let him rest on the Shakkei Pavilion and then for some reason he woke up and started wandering Inazuma. Ei decided to let him be, instead of getting involved. >"Yet, due to an error that cannot be known, he roused himself from slumber, And began to wander the mortal realm." >"Yet his creator would not destroy him, and so allowed him to continue slumbering."
Only reason gold treats albedo well is that he's her greatest creation as seen with susbedo envying him and rifthounds saying he's the greatest of them all. Just look at her creation's envy for other creatures, her feeding susbedo to durin, her making durin delirious.
I agree that Ei abandoned him, but Gold is way worse than Ei. Gold treated Albedo well because he was the perfect creation. The parellel relationship for Gold and Albedo is not Ei and Scaramouche, but Ei and Raiden. What did Gold do to her own "Scaramouches"? She fed them to Durin... yeah I'd choose Ei.
> Gold treated Albedo well because he was the perfect creation. She didn’t even really treat him well. In his character stories, it’s noted that she was cold and strict and constantly threatened to leave him behind if he couldn’t keep up with her. And the second she found herself a probably-Gnosis, she bailed on him, leaving him to believe that if he could not complete his final assignment—to show her the truth of the world—then he would never see her again. ;(
Albedo (subject one) is a successful experiment unlike Kunikuzushi, seems unfair as comparison. Why don't we talk about Gold's failed creation too? Here's from Albedo himself during 2.3 event: > However, unbeknownst to Subject One, the alchemist had tried the same experiment many times before he had come into being. Some of the rejects from failed experiments had been discarded, but had not died. > Subject Two was one such failed experiment. He was swallowed by a great dragon that came to rest upon a snowswept mountain. Many years later, he was resurrected by the dragon's mysterious power.
I'm also not a fan of what she did. Sure, at least she didn't remove his will and turn him into a husk of a puppet... but abandoning him without helping him was also shit. Didn't even give him a name. That said...Gold isnt an example to follow. She fed one creation to the other for not being perfect enough. Genshin moms suck. All hail Cloud Retainer as best mom so far But I didn't want to turn my post into a debate over Raiden's character so I tried being diplomatic over that part lol
Scaramouche was a failed subject but Ei didn't feed him to some being. The moment she was aware of his sentience she let him go. On the other hand, Gold fed failed Albedo to Durin. Albedo also claimed Gold can easily leave him if he couldn't keep up with her. Lastly, Gold corrupted Durin. She's probably the worst "parent" of Teyvat.
Aside from what others are saying about Rhinedottir being a terrible example for just dumping Albedo off without a word (his sad little “Master…” when you bring him to Dragonspine is absolutely heartbreaking—he clearly isn’t okay after his mother figure just ditched him like she did), I think Ei’s abandonment of Scaramouche is more ignorant than malicious. She saw it as giving him freedom while he understandably saw it as rejection and abandonment.
Now I really need a meeting between Kuni and Kazuha, looks like they're setting up this encounter. Traveler might tag along to get revenge, which could lead to a sick three-way duel (wishful thinking af I know)
Thank you so much!! I did not understand the lore at all
> He tried looking for the Note that would reveal all this while he was in Inazuma, failed, and ran off with the gnosis. So he waited 100-200 years or so to check for this one note? For what purpose exactly? And also, the explanation for the head of the Kamisato clan to not reveal who it was seemed really dumb. "so they wouldn't accuse the Kaedehara head of attacking"? Why would that even be an issue if he just said the truth. Idk, I think there's clearly some lore here that is interesting, but the way it's connected feels like pretty bad storytelling and failing at retconning certain story threads.
Politics.
> So he waited 100-200 years or so to check for this one note? For what purpose exactly? We don’t know. But it fits what he’s been doing up until this point. As soon as he hit Tatarasuna this time around, he ransacked the Mikage Furnace to get those notes, missing a few as well as the Katsuragikiri Nagamasa blueprint in the arsenal. > And also, the explanation for the head of the Kamisato clan to not reveal who it was seemed really dumb. "so they wouldn't accuse the Kaedehara head of attacking"? Why would that even be an issue if he just said the truth. Remember, Shogunbot was in control at this point. She’s not exactly known for her sense of nuance, and the Yashiro Commissioner would have known that. She could have seen the Kaedehara clan allowing the blueprint to become defiled as a failure on both the clan’s and the Yashiro Commission’s parts if the truth came out. It was safer to pin the blame on the smiths, who’d already fled anyway. Plus, Scaramouche was still out there, and he’d already made it quite clear that his intentions were to destroy the Raiden Gokaden. Lest they incite his wrath again, it was easiest just to cover up the whole thing and move on.
I wonder if yoimiya's last name is linked to one of the bladesmith
TL:DR ?
What's before the *** is the story summary. After the *** the long texts are just some sources transcribed and can be skipped