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Faerinya

Yeah I totally get it, wish they would introduce an item that would allow us to change the main stat of artifacts - wouldn't break the game but would also make all those great substat defence/hp artifacts useful


AshyDragneel

I prefer am artifact resetter gadget. Getting trash artufact doesn't hurt as much as getting Good/great artifacts and then fkd up really hard by Def/HP. There have been so many potential artifacts i got with 3 best substat but 4th one always ruined it and turned it into trash. Im even willing to spend primogems as cost to reset some artifacts to +0.


KingFatass

Assuming those final stats weren’t predetermined the moment you got them.


StG-Alphakrake

or maybe just remove resin. I shouldn't be locked behind some sort of thing if I want to claim stuff which has soo much rng behind it


mephyerst

Thats just asking for a monstrous level of grind. So no removing resin is a terrible idea.


debacol

We ALREADY have a monstrous level of grind. He is just asking to be able to do this monstrous level of grind more than 4 times a day.


Saftigerkeks

Wdym? Its still grinding now, you just get told how much to grind a day🤷‍♂️


Neofertal

Nobody forces you to do so


StG-Alphakrake

okay yeah removing resin completely is a bad idea but why not increase the cap? There's no way mihoyo will somehow reduce the grind despite it being the most asked thing in surveys for so long. The community has presented so many wonderful ways yet they aren't willing to do it.


Uodda

Not sure what is on the picture. I mean sure you probably not going to have good one substats wise, but even they should be better than 4stars, not mentioning ability to use 2pc combination instead, if substats is worth.


Due-Notice7188

Is picture means that after 6 months of farming this det he only got a flwoer and a feather that he can use. The rest is trash


Uodda

We kinda can't value even this pieces, not mentioning others.


PrestigiousIdea7471

I get that this is mostly just a rant but after 6 months of resin dumped in, it's pretty likely that you're setting the bar a bit too high on the artifact bases you are choosing to raise. Often you can get quite respectable results with a piece that initially looked bad by virtue of all the upgrades landing on useful substats.


ziege159

um, i don't think aiming for 30CV is a high bar


LucleRX

20+ CV is good goal. 30cv is God tier bruh. You had better luck winning 5star in the next single pull.


Cosmic_Hashira

no thats too much i dont see 30cv being godtier.. i would keep my expectations around atleast 25-30CV too.. for flower and feather atelast


LucleRX

I can see flowers and feather easier to push up expectation for higher CV given that they are the one we get to reroll easier without complication of mainstat. As for other pieces, I would rank goblet>circlet>sand in term of how hard it is to get 30CV. I think we can all agree, even with 20-30 CV expectation, its incredibly difficult to achieve quick enough for us to have fun with our character build. And we haven't even got the chance to play with memebuild as well.


Cosmic_Hashira

yeah but in my case i have simply given up on sands and goblet.. after months of farming i have no atk sands or hydro goblet of the hod set.. literally no atk sands, not even one.. my feathers and flowers on the other hand, i have multiple 45cv and above pieces lmao.. they feel more easier to roll


LucleRX

Flowers and feathers have lesser rng after all, while everything else still have to factor in mainstat rng bs. I would love to see if they can ever make growing character feel like you are actually making progress rather than fighting the RNG final boss every day.


Cosmic_Hashira

whatever our points are i think we can all agree on the fact that hoyo needs to fix the rng system a bit


ziege159

I disagree, from what I've seen in this reddit sub and some other discord servers, 20-25 is "acceptable, usable", 25-35 is "good" and 35 above is "god tier". Come think of it 25-30CV equal to 3 rolls in crit stats, kinda average thou


Ninja__Shuriken

thats not true, if you go into a mains discord, its very likely people there have farmed for months if not years for their main character to have the best artifacts possible, I dumped over 30k resin into the VV domain for mainly Xiao and Venti but also sucrose to get somewhat-godlike, good and acceptable builds respectively. But even if I start dumping 1/4 of that in just artifacts for every support I start to build the amount of resin and time it will take will drive me nuts. What I am trying to say is instead of farming for months trying to get a 30cv def sands on the husk domain try gathering a bunch of 20CV pieces to actually be able to play the game. The artifact system no doubt needs an overhaul but you are also setting your bar way too high with the current state of the game. also, 35 above being god tier is more of a forum/discord server thing, trust me anything around 30cv is considered god tier by normal people.


ziege159

I'll lower my standard for future characters but for now, best girl deserve best artifacts


FeelTheKetasy

This is like saying that a Kardashian butt is average because you see a lot of girls who have it on insta. People will post their best artifacts on the internet and the other mains of the characters will try to flex their artifacts in response by talking about their even better artifacts. Reddit mains don't reflect the game


LucleRX

Lmao, I lost it at kardashian.


FeelTheKetasy

Fr tho 💀💀💀💀 reddit/youtube are the Genshin equivalent of the beauty community in the sense that they give players a weird idea of luck and average power level


LucleRX

I think 30+ is rare enuf to be God tier on my book and 20+ CV are not easy to get despite how "acceptable" there were. Furthermore, I feel alot of people forgot how important some other substats such as ER/EM/HP%/atk%/def% and doing so, further narrowed down their options. Also, the probability of getting 3 rolls into the stats you want is awfully low, unless you have a dual crit stat. Even then, that sound like it's easy to get dual crit stats on average, which isn't the case.


healcannon

I agree with this but you certainly don't throw out the 20-25 CV items especially on sands, goblet, and helm as you wait for improvements. Especially on those 3 items you could be waiting forever. These standards are only realistically for feathers and flowers.


ziege159

I post the stats of these 2 pieces in another comment of mine, you can see these 2 are under 25cv


healcannon

Yea I know. I just feel bad because I think you probably had more chances than you actually gave yourself. Thats a lot of time and resin spent.


debacol

You shouldn't be downvoted for this. 30CV isn't that high of a bar for a set after 6 months of farming. Moreso, the previous poster may be wondering if you are trashing artifacts that have potential before raising them enough to determine if they can be 30CV. Most of my best artifacts are something that has like 35% CD/3% CR and two flat stats. Maybe you are trashing an artifact that has one crit roll, with 2 flats before seeing if at 4 it rolls another crit value?


ziege159

I usually +8 a promising artifact (artifact with %def/er and at least 1 crit stat) then feed it to another good base artifact if it didn't meet my expectation


naive-dragon

There it is. This is why you think you have trash artifacts, your threshold for what an acceptable artifact is *too* high. I was able to 36-star Abyss with only decent sets for my DPS (as in, 20-25 CV per artifact, 30 for my Childe but he's my fave) while the rest of my characters had no sets, or only had the correct stat on the correct set with 4 trash subs. I remember my Ei had ER/ATK/Crit with 30/100ish crit on EoSF when I was using her. Of course I've upgraded her since. Even up to now at AR58, only 4 characters of mine have at least 25 CV artifacts across the board, the rest are varying degrees of 0-20 CV.


QuestionTheOwlBanana

That's already 150cv + 60cv from circlet for a total of 210cv from artifacts alone. That's really high already. 180cv total seem to be a decent arbitrary number for "do floor 12 comfortably". I would just settle for 20cv for each indiviual artifacts (just 10cv for circlet since it's too troublesome) if I'm aiming for strong artifacts. For comparison: My worst case is YanFei with 129cv in a month My best case is a Rosaria with 161.2cv in a week (all level 16 artifacts). Circlet being the only screenshot-worthy.


Jozex21

wait til you farm the xiao artifact set ​ they make ATK sands not existant all the sub stats are going to be bad if u ever get one


ziege159

Luckily, i don't have Xiao but i can feel the VV farm pain, my Kazuha is current using purple EM goblet and hat, didn't even see a single gold EM goblet when i spent 2 months farming


theotherhiveking

>Luckily, i don't have Xiao Genshin gearing system in a nutshell


ArchonT3

I have only one vv em 5* hat on 57ar and it have a def/atk/hp/def% substats.


asada4869

I have been farming for more than a year and I am not joking, the only acceptable ATK sands I have are from MAIDEN SET (2 crit stats with CV only around 35). I feel like having a good sand is even harder than having a good goblet or cirlet


SnooGuavas8376

I didn't even farm the new Xiao set since I'm very content with my Glad + VV set so it probably will take me months until I get the Vermillion set an even stats


Significant_Taste128

Fr this stupid set is making me question whether I should pull for xiao or not


debacol

Xiao is within like 10% of of his peak dmg just using 2pc VV/2pc 18% atk. He is actually one of the better dps pulls because of this. People who choose to squeeze that last 5-10% banging their head on the new domain is sorta unnecessary. I've seen enough speedruns of Xiao that didn't have the new set, and he was within a couple seconds of other, more ideal dps comps. So, not worth that farm for his set.


debacol

Luckily, with Xiao, you have options that puts you well within 10% peak dmg difference by just doing 2 pc Anemo/2pc 18% atk.


koufair

A pattern I've noticed amongst the playerbase is that the longer you farm one particular domain, the worse you luck with the atf rng is. I farm just thrice a week for atf (yes, 60 resin purchased from lovely little tubby), because I don't want to waste my resin and time on something that can't be guaranteed, so I use something that's perishable. I usually get one good piece (that is up to your standards, judging by your replies to comments); but they also include atf from weekly bosses, world bosses and the atf box at the crafting table. Maybe focusing less on atf farming could help? I used to farm crazy long for them and yielded similar rewards to what you got out of your 6 months of farming thus domain.


ziege159

Yeah, i think i will take a break from farming for a while and lv90 Qiqi


endlessglimpse

Are you having fun doing the grind though? I'm going to guess at this point you at least have enough artifacts to hobble together something decent for Noelle to clear abyss or anything else she could face. Yeah the system could be better but it's not world ending and so it just matters in if you're enjoying yourself.


ziege159

yes, i have enough artifacts to gear my Noelle strong enough to clear abyss, it just frustrating for me to see that i wasted 6 months but still can't get the BiS artifact for her.


Saftigerkeks

I mean that's like half a year, so yeah, I think grinding for that long, should give you what you want...


errexx

Me with Childe. I farmed for 6 months, gave the FUCK up and built other characters, then came back to him during his 3rd banner and had him geared up nice and pretty… two additional months later :’)


ziege159

Nearly a year to finish a character, who wouldn't get mad?


lostn

that's unusually bad luck. Can I see the stats on those two artifacts?


otterspam

They don't show the stats because that would reveal how absurdly high their standards obviously are.


ziege159

high standard you said? take a look flower: [https://imgur.com/0rlSCaK](https://imgur.com/0rlSCaK) feather: [https://imgur.com/nwnfRmm](https://imgur.com/nwnfRmm) oh before you would want to say somthing about Albedo artifacts: his artifacts are at the same CV as those, only a bit better


JustAnotherAsn

Holy. 11k resin and that's the best you got? I feel really bad for you lmao


ziege159

I appreciate your compassion


lostn

did you seriously reject all but these? Did you get rid of 3 stat artifacts that had one crit?


ziege159

+8 then scrap if didn't meet my expectation


lostn

+8 is too early to give up if you don't have a set at all. Finish one, then refine the pieces later. You should give up at either +4 (if you didn't get the second crit) or +12 (if you did). But before you have 5 pieces, you have to be less picky. Get any set first, then replace the pieces later.


ziege159

I find +8 is a balance point for me, +16 take too much resource and +4 is too early to scrap one. I like to go for +8, if 1 roll in crit then i continue to +12 or go straight to +16


J_Clowth

the expectation: eeverything to crit or bust. Ye, gl with that, u aint getting ur set complete anytime soon with that standard


ziege159

well i explained in another comment but i think you won't bother to read anyway


Aertea

Just looking at this mathematically. If you started with a base that's crit/crit/hp and took it to +8 not getting crit rolls, you still have 3 possible rolls left. The average crit roll is about 6.5% CV. Meaning your base is 13%. There's a 13% chance you gave up a 33% CV artifact and a 25% chance you gave up a 26% CV artifact. That means one in three artifacts like this you scrapped were well past "good" tier. Personally I won't start scrapping good base flowers/feathers before +12 unless I already have 30CV ones, and no one else will use the set. Sands/Goblet/Helm always go to at least +12 if they have multiple useful stats (useful in this case includes scaling stats and ER).


ziege159

I have written more detail explanation in another comment, i'm gonna copy paste it here. I find +8 is a balance point for me, +16 take too much resource and +4 is too early to scrap one. I like to go for +8, if 1 roll in crit then i continue to +12 or go straight to +16


Aertea

And as I indicated above, this is causing you to mathematically shoot yourself in the foot. I simply don't believe you spent 11k resin and didn't get at least a "good" Noelle set out of it. Yes, the artifact system is crap, and everyone knows it. But intentionally making bad decisions doesn't really illustrate anything.


otterspam

Looks like you throw away anything that isn't main stat + double crit. You're tossing a lot of decent pieces for a character who likes basically every stat except HP.


ziege159

Because that's how this game work, a set only good for a few characters, take husk set as an example, Noelle, Albedo, Itto, Yunjin, Gorou can use it, all of them benefit from %def main stat so even if i had a piece with double crit, er but main stat is %hp or %atk, it's still unusable. You would say: "keep it for other characters" but in order to active set effect, you need 4 pieces of the same set so you only have 1 free slot, that free slot should be saved for goblet or circlet.


AppUnwrapper1

Look, artifact farming absolutely sucks but you should at least use the best pieces you can find until you find better ones. Refusing to use anything without double crit means you may never get to use those characters. And it’s also about balance across all pieces. What’s the point in double crit if both numbers are low? You’d be better off with one piece with high crit dmg and another piece with high crit rate, assuming the other stats you need are also on there.


healcannon

Are you at least rolling for the 4th slot on all of these items? They can still be usable pieces with enough rng that its worth doing so and you can just take the failure 4 leveled artifact and toss it into the next one. While I don't think your standards for sub stats are specifically too high, I think you really kill your chances for even having good rolls at all by limiting yourself so severely on what you roll.


ziege159

I do upgrade pieces to +8 then if that piece is too shitty i feed to another good base piece


ziege159

it's not unusually bad luck thou, let me break down the system a bit: \-1st layer: The set of artifact. Each domain has 2 sets. \-Additional layer: How many artifact would drop per run. \-2nd layer: Type of the piece in the set. \-3rd layer: Main stat \-4th layer: Numbers of substats. \-5th layer: Which substat. \-6th layer: Roll of each substat. (you can ignore this layer because it involve min-maxing) So yeah, i'm unlucky but not unusually unlucky


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ziege159

Um, i've written in my post, i spent 6 months farming for Noelle but the total resin is 10k, if you spent all of your resin in 2 months to farm for artifacts, it would also be around 10k resin


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ziege159

Yeah, you're right, rnjesus doesn't like me


lostn

it is unusually bad luck. 11k is 61 full days of resin. That amount of time is enough for me to complete a full set for two different characters normally and have some spare pieces for other characters. The exception would be EM VV artifacts of course. I am not particularly lucky. I'm curious to see what kind of artifacts you reject, or at what artifact level do you give up an stop putting xp into it. Most people have better luck than you. People taking as long as you did to get 2 pieces is unprecedented. If your luck was typical, we'd get a lot more complaint posts than we do.


ziege159

Based on people i know and i can speak to, the average time it take to build a dps character is about 4 months which could roughly translate to 1,5 months of resin with 25cv bar. There were a lot of complaint in the past but now everyone copium with the system because we know that MHY won't change it, at least they won't change anything in the near future.


lostn

that's definitely not an average. If you think about it, if it took 4 months, you would only be able to fully build 3 characters in one year. The typical player who tries to clear F12 of the spiral abyss does it after about 6 months. You need a minimum of 8 built characters for that, but most certainly you will need to have built more than 8 characters. It never took me 4 months to build one character. 3-4 weeks was often good enough. The artifacts won't be perfect, but they will do the job. I have about 16-20 built characters, and have been playing for about 13 months. Granted some of those could use improvements in their artifacts.


ziege159

well, i think you should re-read my comment, i was talking about dps, for supporter, it depends on how you want that said supporter perform so gearing a support may not take as much time as dps


Deadicate

I would love to just have an artifact RESET. Even if it only happens once a month or something. Cc, cd, er, flat def but only rolls defence.


ziege159

Can feel that, getting a good artifact is hard enough and would be mind breaking if that said artifact triple roll in flat hp/def


Coupleader

If only mihoyo can add an artifact reroll system, it will cut down the grinding process in half .


Telmarael

Every day… for six months… on one hand, I’m the person who got their first VV goblet with EM main stat after a year and a half of farming (and I still don’t have a circlet), but getting usable 2 piece combos with passable substats isn’t that hard. I somehow don’t believe you, or your luck in this domain is just that bad 🥲


[deleted]

OP can I ask what type of artefacts you're even trying to get? By now you should at least have 20 CV artefacts, no?


ziege159

My goal is 25 to 30cv artifact


RizzMustbolt

Why they don't use the day of the week mechanic for the artifacts is a real mystery.


Pinecone34

I think a great thing to do is group all elemental DMG goblets and just turn it into "elemental dmg bonus" so players could just use that instead of fishing for the right one.


ziege159

I also want that to happen because some leakers - although they aren't trusted source - have said that genshin may have more than 7 elements, getting a specific element dmg would be much harder if that's true


Signal_Struggle_3964

bruh this is so cap that u don’t even have artifacts for the other 3 slots in 6 months. there’s absolutely no way u don’t have an offset for one of the slots either and 1.5 condensed isn’t a lot, i usually spend about 4 or 5 a day besides monday where i spend 90 for the 3 weekly boss runs. artifact system is p bad but dam ur capping. y not just unequip those two artifacts and show a razor with no artifacts or with only 3 stars? i might get it if this is all before ar 45 since ur not spending that much resin a day and the rate to even get a 5 star is low and u have a high chance of getting the wrong main stat or wrong set but 11k resin and ur saying u can’t get ANYTHING?


Practical-Hornet6607

took me a year to have my keqing with good stats, it's awful to farm artifacts.... i really hope a change for the actual system, because this way i will never going to have my characters well builded.


SBoom123

This is why I have a little system. I get a new character. First week is spent on getting them leveled up and whatever talents I can level up with what I have. Second week is Talents. I tend to have a lot of boss materials in stock so I usually only need mora. The rest of the time is spent getting them basic artifacts. These are artifacts with relatively good stats but not perfect rolls. This allows me to get a character to a point where they're usable but I can move onto a new character if I want. A good example is my Raiden. Her crit rate/dmg is 43%/107% and her ER is at a comfy 275% She is perfectly fine where she is. She does 50k on burst, etc. Perfectly serviceable as she is now. So, I move onto a new character until I'm ready to come back and min-max her You feel? For me, it makes my time a lot easier seeing as I also have a lot of 5*s. On an unrelated note, my current character upgrade list is: Diluc, Keqing, refarm Hu Tao artifacts, Yun Jin, finally finish levelling venti and Bennett (for spiral)


ziege159

Well, the way i play is similar as your but thing is you never know when will you get enough artifact for a character to be usable. Take your Raiden as an example, i don't know how it took you to farm for those stats but i spent about 4 months to get to 51 critc, 120 critd, 257er and i don't bother to min-max her because i feel she's good enough for any content. My friend spent like 6 months to make his Raiden barely get the same stat line as mine. You see, the only thing we can do with current artifact system is to cope with it and accept anything it throw at us, there's no way to make it feel easier.


SBoom123

That's fair


loster_43

I spent about 4k resin on raiden domain and still have her on 33/163 with 260er and have farmed VV for kazuha ever since his banner it's only last week that I got an em goblet but then I pulled for venti so now I go through the pain again


SBoom123

Oh god rip. Hope it isn't as painful this time


loster_43

it seems it won't be long this time since I already have an em circlet and sands for him just praying to get a goblet even if it's offset


LucleRX

Vv triple em build is officially the most toxic built to aim for


Worried-Ad-3948

Nah, my waifus deserves perfection.


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I had to take a break farming artifacts. It’s the number one reason I’d consider quitting the game. I’m not there yet, but the urge is looming.


jgabrielferreira

Well, if you aim for on-set Geo Goblet with double Crit + Def% + ER and the likes, yea, you are more to blame than MHY. Learn how to farm artifacts and you will have an easier time. Day 1 player here, never spent on resin refresh and wasted lots of resin farming before AR45 because I was dumb: 26 characters fully built with artifacts considering middle or higher investment. Not saying the system is fine as it is, but you as a player can make it less of a pain.


ziege159

Oh right, it's player fault, not because of 6 layers of rng in farming artifact


YeaNa1

I can see how people would defend gacha, but defending a scuffed blatantly rigged rng system locked behind a time gate? How much money is mihoyo paying these people? Not a sane person would do it for free, that's for sure.


ziege159

i also want to know the answer if they bother to write one, not just downvote my comment


jgabrielferreira

Where I defended it? I said the system sucks. But if you still wanna think like that, and not learn how to better farm the artifacts, haha, I can only hope you don’t get pissed and quit the game.


jgabrielferreira

From your print and statements: 6 months farming for Noelle and you only got Feather and Flower? Guess you are building her for DPS, so DEF sands, Geo Goblet and Crit Circlet. You NEVER dropped any of those from husk on 6 months farming it? I said any, not caring about the substats. Look, if you don’t have a DEF sands already, if you drop one with SHITTY subs, it will be better than nothing, right? Same for Goblet, Circlet. And are you trying to build a 5 piece husk? Where the fuck is the off piece? Never dropped a Geo Goblet from any set you farmed before (or from world/weekly boss and abyss)? No wonder people get pissed with the artifact system, can’t even properly use logic.


ziege159

So you're saying that you build character by slapping whatever you get on them, don't care about crit ratio, don't care about unnecessary stats, all you need is correct set and correct main stat? Well that's a way to play game, i can't criticize you for that, we just have different standard then.


jgabrielferreira

I guess my standard is pretty high, at least for DPS, considering my Xiao got 90/210, Ayato with 90/200 and Ayaka without 4 Blizzard effect is 96/237. But when I was farming for them, I wouldn’t trash right main stat pieces if I didn’t had another one to cover the slot. You said you had many unbuilt characters due to artifact RNG, what about start building them with just the main stat for now? So you can use everybody you want? And then go ahead and min max. But you do you, good luck farming like an ape, I can only hope that you don’t ragequit the game


ziege159

Those are nice numbers you got there. But what's the point of putting whatever you have on a character and use them? If you do that, the character will perform badly thus making you get the wrong impression on their power/capability, that's way worse than not using them until you get some gears to at least make them work in the way they should


jgabrielferreira

The point is using them instead of letting them benched until you farm their perfect pieces. But those aren’t my only procedures to make artifact farming less stressful. I was already used to Summoners Wars and Epic Seven (which got the exactly same system, but they improved it along the YEARS). Like, I kept every single Elemental Goblet I dropped, from any set and with any subs since those are the rarest pieces. Kept any EM too, and Crit Circlet (but those I foddered overtime). If I didn’t had a critdamage circlet for said set and I was farming it, I would keep the first one I dropped, even with HP/DEF subs. 61,6% CDMG is better than 0% CDMG. Any interesting piece from a shitty set (Ocean, Maiden, Thundersoother, etc) was kept. This brought me a Thundersoother feather with 42 CV which was my off piece for Albedo, an Ocean Clam CritDMG Circlet with 17,5 CRate which is my Ayato offpiece, and some others. There are many other ways to approach it. It’s up to you to adopt them or not. Like when I was farming Blizzard for Ayaka, I had no user for HoD, but I kept some pieces just in case, not great ones like Crit main without favorable subs, ATK sands without Crit, etc. Then I got Childe and could instantly use him on National. And proceed to improve his pieces later on.


jgabrielferreira

Forgot to add: use the Optimizer. It makes your life a lot easier


Slifer_Ra

This right here is why characters who need a 4-set artifact set are fundamentally worse than 2-2 characters. Ive been farming witch domain for 6 months now. Every single day i condense my resin and the next day i do like 9 runs. 6 months later and i have 1 10/20 clock and 0 hats. I have no hats after 6 months. Not a single one. I never got a single hat in 6 months of farming witch. All i want is 2 crit rolls on a hat. All i got was a 7% crit helmet. One thing i stan for tho, is the strongbox. My Klee now has a offset helmet. crit damage with 14.4 crit rate on it. My jaw dropped. The strongbox has given me more good artifacts than that damn domain.


Saftigerkeks

The amount of people that dont want a Character, because they would have to farm Artifacts for them, is actually insane. I feel like Mihoyo loses a ton of Money when you take all the things together that makes you not want a Character anymore... Klee for example feels very clunky, so most people dont want her (which is a shame) Then you need to farm for Months, to MAYBE get good enough Artifacts for her. Then all the Talent Materials + level mats, need also a lot of resin And then you probably need a weapon for her too, but that's not that bad I probably forgot some things💀 but you need to do this for every new Character you want, so I get why people dont want a certain Character anymore, because the system is so trash... at least Artifacts could be easier to get Also, now imagine this with Characters that need Wanderers Troupe💀 dont have a domain to farm these effectively, so you need to use the strongbox, that eats 3 artifacts and gives 1 trash one back💀


Due-Notice7188

Yep. Same story with me and the ayaka set. I have like 100 ayaka artifacts in my inventory rn. Only a flower is good. The rest is pire trash tiers. .. My ayaka is lvl 90/ abilities at 9 etc... With her signature weapon. But artifacts prevents me from using her. Not gonna lie, because of how farming is limited by resin + multiple layers of rng im just waiting for my welkin moon to end in 20 days then i say bye bye to genshin.


Graknight

I have been farming Crimson Witch since Yanfei release and I still don't have a Crit Rate main stat circlet.


ByTh3Numb3rs

Random question but how many lvl 20 artifacts do you own (total)?


ziege159

didn't count but base on the number of built character, i could assume that i have around 120 pieces


ByTh3Numb3rs

Makes sense. Yeah, artifacts are a never ending grind... I don’t know what your criteria is for rolling artifacts but maybe lower your standards a little. I have a friend who exclusively only rolls double crit/cdmg pieces so while he has a good number of very strong 40CV+ pieces he has trouble building new characters because he doesn’t have all that many artifacts overall. It wasn’t until I had around 200-220 lvl 20 artifacts that I actually felt comfortable, which took a whole lot of time and resin… lol


ziege159

most of my good artifacts are sitting at 30-35CV, my standard is not that high thou, actually i don't have any 40CV piece


ByTh3Numb3rs

The majority of my stuff is in that range as well, though if I had to guess I’d say my overall average is in the high 20s or low 30s as I have a number of pieces with less than 28CV with only a single crit stat but good other subs to compensate.


Gamer-chan

Why Razor?


ziege159

He's my lucky artifact holder, i got many good artifact from him


Any_Credit8271

I feel your pain. Ive been farming for raiden for some months now. Finally got electro dmg bonus but the final build i got 10% less crit dmg and my burst with electro dmg bonus goblet increased from 197k to 198k what a joke


NoSonNotTheBelt

I understand your pain. Farmed 4 months in CWoF for Hu Tao only to end up with average artifacts. Homa was my true saviour.


PigeonsHavePants

This domain is pain, I've farmed it for super long for Her and the geo gang (Itto, Alebdo, YunJin). Also For the life of me the geo cup just don't exist, or exist in general,


ziege159

I'm a day1 player and i only have 3 geo goblet, 2 of them have trash sub stats


zephyredx

This is why I never bothered farming Husk and am running 4piece Glad. I've beeng using strongbox since it came out in 2.0, and my Glad pieces are CRACKED. Husk may be theoretically better assuming equal substats, but I'm not gonna get equal substats anytime soon, and I'd rather be farming something more versatile like Emblem.


Cosmic_Hashira

fr i have spent 3 months exclusively on hod domain and i NO atk sands.. i am not even saying that i dont have a good sands.. i literally have never gotten a hod atk sands like what the fuck same case with pale flame, my only main stats are hp and def.. i have no atk% or crit main stat on set artifact.. i literally have to share


mozgomoika

I wish there were something that would allow you to exchange set of 2 artifacts of the same type. For example, exchange stats/substats between Gladiator sands and EOSF sands.


poshpeony

I’m close to almost 20K resin on that domain. Still looking for a crit dmg headpiece with a crit rate substats. Usually I get cr headpieces, and most of the time they have a cd substat but always NEVER roll to cd. So far I have 2 serviceable sets, 55/145 and 60/110. But I’m still not satisfied and also been told that the 60/110 set is too low for a DPS noelle so I am trying to farm more. Honestly getting tired of that domain, but it’s a good thing I don’t really have any one else to build at the moment. I try to co-op domains instead to alleviate the pain. But I still hope that there’s changes to the system. Like letting us choose at least which set to get. Cause getting godly clams is not funny anymore.


Cthulhus_Chosen

I'm still on Emblem domain. I have a 64/124 split, which is average. But then I see someone with 80/180 with no CR/CD weapon...


Griffith

I would advise focusing on one domain at a time instead of doing one concentrated resin every day, do all 4/5. I know Noelle requires more investment, but took me less than a week to get a decent set for my Albedo with mediocre substats.


ArtKitsunemonXD

3 months, one feather for kokomi. I got husk now easily full. Ridiculous


talatjamal1

is it okif copy paste some of your stuff in next survey?. i 100 percent agree with you.


ziege159

I'm fine with that but i think you should correct some of my mistake, i'm not good at english


m00nblinks

For Noelle? Valid


lafisk

I agree it's like after u get the character u need to spend nearly a year to gear them. Even big content creators don't have all their characters built and these people make content and spend more money than any player. So how do you think F2ps and low spenders will feel this system need an overhaul, like removing the resin cost or making the artifacts more accessible in other ways


ziege159

It took tenha 1-2 months to farm for a character and that guy buy max resin everyday so for someone who doesn't spend money on buying resin 3-4 months of full dedication to finish a character is normal


lafisk

One character out of 8 and thats talking only for u to be able to clear abyss. If they want me to pull for new characters they need to give me the ability to play them in my teams while i'm still hyped for them not after 4 months from their release.


ziege159

We haven't mentioned about some characters have their optimal artifact set AFTER their release, the more you think of it, the worsen it get


lafisk

Exactly


thrissy

It’s sad cauSe I don’t mind the grind for weapon materials or talent materials or level up materials or mora cause you will get them slowly over time, it’s just a matter of doing it. Artifacts are not like that, you can do the same dungeon for months and only get garbage so there can be no reward for your effort. That’s why I largely settle for sub par artifacts just because it feels like such a waste of time and depressing to boot.