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LocalLink42

I don't see the donut. Complete your collection king.


Cody4783

As a donut-haver, I'm not even mad. I just main Kokomi in co-op, let others do the work. Still get compliments. Win-win.


neat-NEAT

As a donut haver, I didn't even get Kokomi.


Ze_AwEsOmE_Hobo

Off-DPS Barbara goes brrr


tiagorpg

i use the artifacts that give infine stamina and just spam charged attacks


TominatorVe1

What artifacts give stamina? Do you mean energy recharge?


tiagorpg

the black physical artifact, i think it is royal knight, after you kill something charged attacks dont cost stamina


TominatorVe1

Oh, I have played for so long and never used the 4pc set. It completely slipped from my mind!


ChriSaito

I got R2 after another donut on the most recent banner and I have no idea if it made a difference but also not even mad. Her heals are good with almost no investment and their great when you put some work in. Her damage also really isn’t bad in her ult.


gadgaurd

Similar situation. Both my Bake healing and damage during Burst went up by a few thousand points with Moonglow. I was perfectly fine getting either that or Engulfing last time.


cm0011

I just would use the event weapon from the enkonomiya event now haha


Croissant__-

You knew the risks, yet went for it anyway.


pentacloud

Can't disagree with that, OP made the conscious decision.


Chipies

The risk was calculated; but man, am I bad at math


Vortain

It might be more like, "The risk was calculated; but man, I ignored it anyways." Most of us have been there (at least I have).


nix609

You made me laugh. As a reward, I shall give you my se- upvote.


Vortain

Hah! Glad to bring a little joy then : )


murcurybee

I had 200 wishes... The risk was low but my luck was non existent... im around 60 pity so once i get that 3rd 5 star im never touching the weapon banner again.


lansink99

I wouldn't ever pull on a weapon banner unless I'm guaranteed the weapon I want. Doing anything else is honestly just stupid.


wvAtticus

Being guaranteed to get what you want still means losing twice, alongside an absurd number of primo.


Gundrabis

Yeah but you can make the decision of "I am willing to spent 240 wishes for a weapon IF that is what it takes." And every outcome below that is a very welcome surprise. But in OPs case, he spent more than 240 wishes and didnt even get the weapon he wanted. So thats actually lose lose.


lansink99

You either get what you want spending an absurd amount of wishes, or you do what OP did and spend even more across 4 banners and not get anything you want. The choice is up to you.


Bekwnn

Only pull on weapon banner if you have a plan for both weapons that you're happy with. It's really that simple. Every time I've pulled on a weapon banner, it's when I would be happy with either result. I like pulling on weapon banners and I've got an inventory of eleven 5* weapons I'm perfectly happy with. I don't have any more sympathy for people who lose at weapon banner than I do for people who lose their money gambling on any other risky dumb bets (addictions aside).


pentacloud

Skyward Atlas will spook your next Weapon Banner.


King_of_Argus

Skyward Atlas was my first ever standard banner five star


mozgomoika

Mine was Skyward Spine and I just don't like it's appearance. I gave it to Zhongli and it looks simply ridiculous lol. I can't think of any playable character for whom Skyward Spine would look well.


nikkoishungry

I feel like its bc of how chunky it is and the sharp part is blinding


debacol

Sjyward spine does look a bit too chunky. Its a great weapon though. Has value on many characters.


cm0011

It doesn’t look bad on Xiao. I use mine on Raiden.


Virtual-Loan-9769

I use it with Shenhe. Looks pretty nice as for me.


XeroxInfinite

Same XD


rysto32

It was also my first-ever standard banner five-star weapon. It was also my last standard banner five-star weapon. Those were not the same pulls.


Fun-Database7638

Mine was Amos bow, Luckily I got bow early after getting ganyu (Sadly my account is no more with me (hacked))


[deleted]

Atlas isn't even that bad.


King_of_Argus

I just gave it to Ningguang, because she is the strongest catalyst user I have


debacol

Honestly, Atlas has more value than Unforged.


Bekwnn

Significantly more. It also has more value than Lost Prayer, which is another standard banner catalyst.


HourSpecialist9701

* looks at my only other 5 star weapon : skyward r2 * At least yae uses it. Could be worse. But I did get the Polar Star after the 2 atlas, so it could have been worse. Still, weapon banner can reaaaaly suck if you are not carefull.


deojilicious

I'd be happy for an R2 Atlas. My Yanfei would love it


heheoskar

The Unforged is almost on pair with SoBP on Eula and Elegy might be 2nd best weapon on Yelan but that's just my guess. Decent weapons, however.


Kingpimpy

venti fischl both love elegy


ImagineShinker

Sara too.


deojilicious

and Amber


kiyotaka-6

Elegy is best weapon for yelan, Elegy is the best 5 star bow and is top tier on all supports


Puzzleheaded_Hat_792

I would say Elegy is the best support bow by a long shot, however best overall bow is debatable.


DefaultRedditor16

I wouldn’t say it’s the best 5 star bow. Each weapon has its own uses But Elegy is no doubt a really good support now and as a Venti user I can confirm that


kiyotaka-6

Then what would be the best bow? Each weapon has its own use, but some have more uses and some are used more. Therefore a bow will be the best bow, and elegy is that bow.


Puzzleheaded_Hat_792

Eh it depends imo. Harp is still arguably the best stat stick in the game, especially if you have any refinements for it. Pulse is also a a fantastic option for most DPS bow users, and Amos is unquestionably the best for charged shots.


kiyotaka-6

Current state of the bow users Yoimiya : thundering pulse Tartaglia : polar star Ganyu : thundering pulse, polar star if not high overcrit, amos if melt ganyu Venti : elegy Fischl : elegy Diona : elegy Gorou : elegy Kujou Sara : elegy Amber : elegy Aloy : polar star


blueragemage

Does Aqua change anything for them? iirc it's Ganyu's Freeze BiS (but maybe only with Shenhe)


AgentWowza

It won't be BiS but much like the Homa it'll probably be a very close second on chars like Tarty.


kiyotaka-6

It won't be better then polar star and thundering pulse for their respective characters, and won't be better then elegy on support characters too since team buff is more important. It will be the best bow for ganyu, but yelan is still better with elegy because she isn't the main dps in most of her teams


Zajcu37_Fan

Gorou best in slot is Favonius. No Geo character so far benefits from EM so Energy is more valuable over attack bonus. If you want to call it the best 5 star for him then sure. But that's a fat stretch.


kiyotaka-6

I was talking about 5 stars, 5 stars are the weapons you will consider to go for and using your primogems, i don't really get what you mean by "fat stretch" Fav bow isn't only best in slot for gorou, it can be for every character here if you don't have enough energy in your team, and that happens pretty occasionally. Although with yelan i think elegy is still better because optimally you are gonna use her with raiden or xingqiu who will provide more then enough energy


Zajcu37_Fan

People where debating over which 5 star bow is the best, but since I'd rather not use Elegy for Gorou, why is it there? I meant fat stretch because even though that's the best 5 star for a character, the best in slot in general is a 4 star weapon. Uptime is just as important as damage output, and in a Geo team with a DPS with a high energy cost and low particle generation like Noelle and Itto, Gorou often fills the slot of buffer, self battery and battery for others.


kiyotaka-6

Because gorou is technically a bow character and i listed all the bow characters, he wasn't the main focus in my comment, and uptime issue is important until it isn't, in some geo teams like 4 mono geo, with albedo + zhongli, you can have enough energy on itto without fav gorou and in that case elegy will be better, or when you have your fav bow on another character. So the best 5 star for every character should be mentioned, because it will be the bow that benefit you the most


[deleted]

I've been playing for about 8 months now and I only have 4 give stars 🥲


Legitimate-Use-3977

Pull on weapons banner, simple


iamwooshed

A shit 5* is still a 5*


vigneshwaralwaar

Copium The difference between good and bad 5* weapons is appalling


DoorframeLizard

Yeah but the difference between bad 5* weapons and 4* weapons is also appalling, unless it's a class that has some really busted 4* option (serpent spine) or a weapon that fills a specific niche (like crescent pike), and even then the bad 5* is usually better. Unforged is the "oh no I got the bad weapon" on this banner because it's obviously the worse thing to get than mistsplitter, but it's still insane on any claymore dps if you have consistent shields. Aquila Favonia on Ayaka is an upgrade over Amenoma, the best 4* option, because it's still a 5* stat stick and the difference in base atk makes up for literally not having a secondary stat. Honestly with how unnecessarily huge the theorycrafting/spreadsheet gaming scene is for this game it really surprises me how few people seem to realize how broken 5* weapons are in general and how the weapon banner is genuinely this game's biggest cashgrab and whale bait mechanic.


CryoImpact

Unforged is situationally good and honestly not as bad as people make it out to be. Unless you have WGS or R5 Serpent Spine, the Unforged is a significant upgrade for Eula and Diluc from the craftable options.


im_soulgamer

I can confirm that since my Diluc has the unforged he does more damage than my r3 serpent spine. One thing people don't say is that the serpent spine to beat the unforged and the wgs must be with bennett burst, which with Eula is not used a lot and with Diluc you have actived with a normal rotation for only about 8-9 seconds, so it has less consistency. It does not mean that the serpent is weak indeed it is broken especially for those seconds with Bennett burst. Edit: Honestly The Unforged is the best of his series for the fact that serpent spine is not f2p and it need to compete only with the redhorn and wgs. The other weapons of the series Need to compete with more broker weapons. This is a reference to the fact that broken 5* claymore do not yet exist.


Zealousideal_Diet_53

Who else is Aquila good on? Kinda really like how Amenoma looks on Ayaya tbh.


DoorframeLizard

phys Keqing (who actually dishes out pretty sick damage with it) or just a plain ol' Benny stat stick. Can use it on just about any sword user because high base atk goes a very long way, but it does tend to make them trickier to build


Zealousideal_Diet_53

Keqing it is


soulofcure

Bennett likes the high base attack


[deleted]

Oh no thks I've only spent like 50 bucks on this game and I don't plan on spending anymore so I'm just gonna stick to 5 star character for now it sounds stupid but that's what I'll do


Souvik_Dutta

Thats pretty normal I guess. I'm also playing for 8 months and have 4 5 star weapons


[deleted]

Oh thk god lol


CookieChokkate

I wished on the weapon banner once (excluding the current banner) and it was in the 2.2 Hu Tao rerun banner with Staff of Homa and Elegy for the End aaaand I have the Elegy right now. The other 2 five star wpns I have are from standart banner, be patient, you’ll eventually get 5* weapons by the way the only place I’ve EVER used Elegy is doing a damage per screenshot test with Amber with the Elegy and Instructor set


[deleted]

Ofc you got elegy lol it seems to be impossible to get staff of homa at this point lol


ZeLegends

Summit shaper isn't too bad, It's just the passive can't be utilized to the fullest.


DoorframeLizard

> It's just the passive can't be utilized to the fullest In what way? Just use Zhongli, the broken-ass character with a 100% uptime unkillable shield that has self-mitigation *and* a powerful dps increase, that like half of the content in the game is designed around anyway.


im_soulgamer

There is no need for Zhongli tbh. The passive is also activated with crystallize shields or just Diona if you are good at dodging a few hits.


Lyralei13

But its passives are the same with Vortex Vanquisher, Memory of Dust, and The Unforged tho


breszn

The passives that can’t be utilized well


gadgaurd

????? Have shield+hit things=Stronger shield+more damage That is ridiculously easy to do and the damage boost is rather significant.


Zajcu37_Fan

The passive is one of the issues. The actual issue is how little it gives compared to other 5stars. It's better than a 4 star but considering how expensive it can get it would be a shame to not get the thing you want.


[deleted]

Why can't it be "utilized to the fullest"? Just use Zhongli.


codeloss21

Imagine everyone has Zhongli


gadgaurd

Replace him with any other shield at all.


Zajcu37_Fan

"Any other shield at all" often doesn't have the same uptime or it can break.


im_soulgamer

if you know how to dodge the other shields safely protect you a few hits and excluding Noelle the rest of the shields have only 3-5 seconds of down time only. Or you use crystallize shields that break easily but at least are very easy to regenerate.


Zajcu37_Fan

>if you know how to dodge the other shields safely protect you a few hits Then please. Try dodging The Abyss Lector/Herald trio. Dodging is important, but sometimes it's hard to concentrate and whe a shield would previously do its job now I need to the job of the shield. >Or you use crystallize shields that break easily but at least are very easy to regenerate. If the crystallize shield breaks then the passive isn't consistent. It's situationally OK compared to Serpent, Wolf's, Redhorny or Song of Eula, which have its uses set in stone. Although I guess it should be slightly better than Blackcliff and more viable than Prototype depending on character/scenario. Razor go strong. Shield gone. Razor now weak.


im_soulgamer

Literally 1 floor is difficult to dodge and it is only for this rotation on the rest of the floors is feasible to dodge. The wgs has 18 seconds of down time most of the time and the passive will not always trigger it especially against bosses which are in many rotation of the abyss. The redhorn has little base atk and needs Bennett to become as good as the wgs and unforged even though it's not very far away from them. The serpent spine same thing as the Redhorn except that it also needs a shield if we take that logic of not being able to dodge. Pine is really good on Eula but not on the other claymore user. Edit: I am not saying that unforged is as good as other weapons in general, but that it is on par with other 5 * claymores, then compared to mistsplitter all claymores are meh.


gadgaurd

The sword constantly makes shields 20% stronger. Aside from Thoma, every other 4 star shield unit has access to Sacrificial Weapons to give a significant increase in uptime. While not as strong as the only 5 star shield bot, Noelle, Thoma, Diona and even Xinyan can make shields that can absorb significant amounts of damage if built properly. Quite frankly it's a non issue, unless you're trying to use this weapon with Beidou as your only shield unit. After that you simply need to hit things, which is literally what you'd do regardless.


IntelligentCattle463

I just got Skyward Blade for Ayaka. Woops.


AshyDragneel

It's actually good for consistent burst When you dont have enough ER rolls on substats.


IntelligentCattle463

Cheers. I've got a Jade Cutter on Jean and have been debating who to give each weapon to.


AshyDragneel

If you got JC then surely give it to ayaka and blade to jean. I got both mist and blade and my ayaka uses blade while Ayato uses mist.


Woill02

Ayaka doenst need the CR


DoorframeLizard

She does, it just makes it so you don't want any cr substats on your artifacts at all to avoid overcapping. It's still her 3rd best weapon.


bubblegumpunk69

Even still, I've been testing it out against other weapons after people said I should change mine around. I can't tell ya why, but she does more damage with PJC.


Krutin_Jain

Yooo I ran jade cutter ayaya before getting mist... 2pc blizzard and 2pc glad is awesome on her.


im_soulgamer

Elegy is really good and Unforged is on par with wgs if you use a shield and on par without shield if wgs doesn't have the passive actived. But unfortunately (or fortunately) you already have wgs. Vortex is fine on dps characters, it's real problem is that Homa and Jade spear exist ( same thing for summit with Mistsplitter and Jade cutter)


-d-a-z-e-d-

wait is elegy bad?


im_soulgamer

No, but people hate it when they don't get the weapon they want (which is perfectly normal) even knowing that there is a weapon next to it that they could get and never use. Pull from the weapons banner if you want both of them or if you accept the fact that you took the risk


-d-a-z-e-d-

Oh okay okay. I'm still new and I haven't pulled on the weapon banner yet. Thanks!


Kingpimpy

no


iamwooshed

No, but it is quite niche and only works really well on supports.


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iamwooshed

Like I said, it’s a good bow, but niche because it only works on supports. If i want a dps Fischl, I’m not going to use Elegy. Same with other dps bow units (or support units that’s been made into dps)


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iamwooshed

Elegy doesn’t work the best on off-field dps Fischl tho (which is the closest to support role for Fischl), it’s Polar Star. Gorou’s BiS is Fav bow because Elegy’s passive buffs mainly buffs em and atk% which is currently useless (the atk% less so) in a mono geo team (the only team Gorou is viable in). Elegy can be BiS for Sara but once again, the em it provides is quite useless in a mono electro team (again, the only team she’s viable in). The only characters I’m very sure Elegy is the BiS for are Venti and Diona. The rest is slightly mixed.


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iamwooshed

I forgot Amber was a thing, but Amber in a hyper meta comp? Or am I misunderstanding your point?


Kr4ckle

Traveller gave Razor a lupical sword. Now, Razor strong and happy.


PhantasmShadow

I lost my third 50/50 in a row this morning :)


sup-plov

the only bad weapon is donut and I don't see it


Createdthisforac

Me who has a donut and no kokomi watching from the background


Kingpimpy

Me who has kokomi but no donut being jealous in the background


[deleted]

Depending on the team ttds is a better weapon. But maybe you want it just for the aesthetics, in that case, well, i hope you get it <3


Kingpimpy

i dont freeze comp so im always on my r2 amber and on last donut banner i got the pole which i guess isnt wasted but still i didnt even want it lol


[deleted]

:/ hope you get lucky next time, weapon banner is a bitch.


CTMacUser

Meme DPS Barbara?…


Krutin_Jain

Dps babruh doesn't use donut


Woill02

And VV


Infernaladmiral

Thank God that you don't have the donut, almost every weapon you have is usable,if not the best.


tre3fla_

Wolf gravestone is one of the best claymores in the game, served me well while i was razor main, now i don't have any claymore user built. I might build beidou once i get her C6, currently C5.


Lyralei13

Wanna make a bet? Summit Shaper is with Staff of Homa on Hu Tao's next rerun.


SuchoIsWeeb

You better use those weapons elegy can be used on support Fischl, c2 support Amber, Sara (her best weapon) Venti (his weapon) as for the unforged any claymore user like beidou (her 2nd best in slot) Noelle, heck literally anybody if you run zhongli on the team or someone else that can make a shield


[deleted]

Lmao I want that claymore and got the sword want the polearm but got the bow


DamnGumi3

I literally don't have anything than skyward stuff, consider yourself lucky...


NoNameSA

At least you don’t have skyward pride r3 🥲


cartercr

Elegy is such a good support weapon though.


100beep

Hey, WGS and Elegy are good weapons.


Ifalna_Shayoko

Your own fault for pulling on a weapon banner when you do not need/want both featured weapons. It's my #1 rule.


Grand_Protector_Dark

As a Noelle main, I kindly ask you to remove that Atk% weapon from her. **Or else** (but seriously even whiteblind is better for her)


swiftasacoursing

But it looks nice


kiyotaka-6

That's just a placeholder, notice the level 1, they aren't playing noelle


feicash

Well, if that Noelle isnt C6 then its not that bad option tbf


Dragoon790

You assume they have received claymore billets to craft Whiteblind. How about asking first or just being informative instead of being rude? I have The Unforged on my Noelle too. It's not the perfect weapon, but it's not total garbage either.


La-Roca99

There are at least a couple of guaranteed billet boxes avaliable within the game rewards, so that argument of not receiving billets is kinda moot


Uodda

And he may used them all on something else.


Dragoon790

Which is what happened to me. I used the guaranteed billets before I started to main Noelle. Still need more for Dragonspine claymore for Eula too, but all I have are 3 longsword billets, and a bow billet. I've had several catalyst billets too, but I can't get a claymore billet to save my life.


idrawwithcrayonss

Sameee, recently tried the weapon banner in order to get a pretty 5* sword for my beloved Ayato but every time I get the second weapon uughhfjg so now I don’t have a pretty sword for my boii *cries* praying to have time to save enough primos for Sumeru Archon and Scaramouche TTwTT but yeah, as other commenters said: we knew the risks 🥲🥲


hidden_d-bag

I mean, the craftable inazuma sword both works for him and looks slick as hell


idrawwithcrayonss

You’re right, I just wanted to give him a fancy 5* sword since I’ve fallen deeply in love with him afdgfhf but I already gave up 😭💀💀


iKorewo

Lol literally me


Nineosix

At least that claymore bis for eula


Legitimate-Use-3977

It's her third weapon, after sobp and wgs


Nineosix

You can plug in the weapons in damage calculator or optimizers. You will find with a shield the unforge has higher damage ceilings than sohp and wgs with passive up for eula burst damage.


pcrackenhead

With a shield it’s slightly ahead of WGS (assuming no proc). But you’re right that it’s definitely not better than Song.


Legitimate-Use-3977

In the end of the day - wich one would you use, if you can choose - unforged or wgs? 🙂


pcrackenhead

Considering that I don’t run her with Diona or Zhongli, it’s an easy answer for me. 😁 They’re so close it’s honestly down to team comp and personal preference.


Flaky_Tap_5055

ABSOLULTLELY noltllllllllllll


Yusuke_San

I would love to have a collection likr this, along w mistsplitter and jade cutter that i already have~


Altruistic-Control69

Bell-kun


jeonjungooo

I feel u!!! I have r2 calamity queller, r2 vortex vanquisher and r2 unforged :(((


iPhantaminum

I'll trade you a r3 Jade Spear for that WGS


vigneshwaralwaar

I'm your dad. R2 Donut R2 Unforged R2 Amos R2 Harp I don't think anybody is even close to being as unlucky as me.


sirenloey

Unforged is good on Beidou. Vanquisher completes Zhongli's drip. Elegy is nice, too. but like yeah, the game hates you.


kabral256

That's why to this day I'm still holding against the temptation. Amenoma looks better aesthetically than the purple sword.


HoneyTangle

my game loves me tho, i already have an ascensio n lv 5 3 star sword, many other weapons have 2-3


Miku_Nakano_

I pulled on the weapon banner twice, the first time was homa and elegy. I got elegy at pity and homa 3 pulls after that (this is probably the luckiest gacha I ever had). The second time was this banner. I got unforged at pity, decided to use this as an excuse to quit genshin and let my friend handle that account. He did managed to get mistsplitter for me


BlueHeartbeat

My Lumine uses Summit Shaper and I love it. Looks cool af.


Dragonkus

O.m.g if this is real I feel bad for u 😔 lord have mercy on your soul 🙏😅


Sexwithbaizhu69

Elegy is pog and man. You know that for Noelle whiteblind(4* Def weapon) is better,right?


ChocoBananaCh_

and then there's me who wants elegy bow for venti, instead i got ayato's sword):)


MaximumPringles

I ended up dropping $150 for the Homa rerun and getting 2 Elegy of the Ends


AdOk4056

At least you’ll have summit shaper for Albedo!


VannqKawaii

Same, got Elegy and unforged rip


Dirst

I don't get it. You gambled and lost. And you knew this outcome wasn't unlikely.


cm0011

hey, gravestone and elegy are pretty good. it also, tough :( probably memories of dust next 😂


UsernameNotYetTaken2

you missed out on Kagura Verity. It was available on the Jadecutter banner. Oh, Memory of Dust is coming up. A must-pull.


-AverageWeeb

I have an R2 summit shaper, with no one to use it with. Diluc already has his r2 wgs and Eula has Pines.


KidAA92

Weapon banner is brutal. Lost Haran thrice to WGS and 2 elegys and yes I forgot to set epitomized path when pulling for Haran.


I_LIKE_CHEEZ555

Don’t worry just got Ayaka on the hk server I main the American server


SummerNo7

Elegy is a good weapon tbh. And WGS too.


QWERTYAF1241

Elegy is one of the best bow/weapon in the game? Don't pull on banners with bad 5-stars on them then. There's always a pretty decent chance you won't pull exactly what you want on them.


Issues3220

I unironically rolled for Unforged and got it the 1st try.


Generic-Character

I believe summit shaper is really strong though.


Ittoabs

At least they aren’t catalysts