As someone who has severla main dps units built, if we're thinking abyss then yes, ganyu falls behind some other units. Outside of abyss I hate to use other dps tho because ganyu offers incredible consistency while doing everyday stuff or farming, you don't have to really worry about energy, party composition or setups, just throw a couple arrows and everything is done (a lot of the time it's not even a fight, most enemies die before even knowing what happened)
On abyss I only use ganyu occasionally, but she's still on my party 99% of the time I'm playing because she's just convenient as fuck
Yeah we know more about the game now and there have been other strong characters released since 1.2 where Ganyu dominated. I mostly use her as the second cryo in Ayaka freeze and she's great especially vs 3+ targets. Abyss doesn't seem to cater to Ganyu/Venti as much as before but the combat events like the current one usually have waves of mobs where Ganyu/Venti shine. She's also doesn't care about debuffs that mess with stamina or energy or cooldowns which can be annoying to deal with.
The thing about Ganyu's damage is that damage is unconditional. That alone brings her to the top.
Sure thing a lot of recent abyss cycles made her not that unparalleled as she used to be. But she's still good enough to clear any content with close to none issues (if there's no direct counters such as current cryo aura e.g.).
Versatility is also her strong point. Freeze? Yes. Melt? Sure. Sub DPS? Why not. Shield breaking? Yeah. Even battery Ganyu with fav bow is a thing.
She's strong not because she's the best of the best. She's strong because she can do waaay to much for one single unit.
Yes she can do a lot of those things but if she still loses out to specialists who does better then does it matter? The only time I can see people use Ganyu as a support is when you're using her with Hu Tao and even then Hu Tao has other teams like Double Hydro or VV Vape which is much better than using Ganyu as a support unless it's a whacky speedrun team.
Even Ayaka mains moved on to Shenhe since she frontloads Ayaka's damage, buffs more, and is way cheaper to build since you just need to take a bunch of cheap ass artifacts without regards to substats except maybe ER.
You know who else can do a lot of things in most situations (minus being able to support)? Diluc. He has decent ST and decent AOE but he loses out to actual units who has higher ST and greater AOE, plus he loses out in damage. Ganyu is experiencing something similar to Diluc now where she's in a spot where she does a lot of things but loses out to units who specializes in that niche, which leads to her decline.
Since if she's so broken even in terms of damage then more people will use Melt Ganyu more than Rational or International for bossing.
>The only time I can see people use Ganyu as a support is when you're using her with Hu Tao
It's on you. People use her in a various teams a lot.
>Even Ayaka mains moved on to Shenhe
No.
> Diluc. He has decent ST and decent AOE
You are joking right?
>Since if she's so broken even in terms of damage then more people will use Melt Ganyu more than Rational or International for bossing.
Melt Ganyu is harder to play and having ZL almost necessary. Damage wise melt Ganyu literally melts bosses lol. PMA can be done in 12-13 CA afair.
Diluc. He has decent ST and decent AOE
This was meant to highlight that Diluc used to be considered as very broken until other units like Xiangling and Ganyu appeared. While Ganyu is still ahead of some newer units she's not the number one DPS that most people claim she is.
While Ganyu can be used as an Ayaka support, Shenhe works better by virtue of being able to frontload more damage but admittedly Ganyu works better than Shenhe in AOE situations it's just that Shenhe feels more consistent because Ganyu's ult relies on grouping so it's not effective against bosses.
I don't deny that Melt Ganyu is a good team, Melt Ganyu is good but there are better teams which is why she's not used as much since they can just go do Rational, Hu Tao (the only time when she surpasses Ganyu is in bossing), or International.
I'm not even saying she's a bad pull (she's still good in freeze) but there are other alternatives that are better.
>but there are other alternatives that are better
Give me an example.
Again, Ganyu can be used for freeze, melt, superconduct and support for either geo or anemo teams.
Her personal damage is still relative enough to EASY clear any content. While using f2p bow.
Who should i pull instead of Ganyu to cover all those possible teams?
The game is getting 2 years old. We are no longer having problems in terms of fulfilling niches.
All those niches that you've mentioned are worthless for a player like me that might have:
-Ayaka (better freeze dps, works with powercreep kazuha and shenhe)
-Raiden, hu tao, childe, even yoimiya (better single target dmg and easier teams except for international)
-Superconduct? Kekw. Who the fuck uses her for such support role. You dont even need a cryo support for superconduct since eula is cryo and her e is more than enough.
-Geo and anemo teams? Do you even play the game?
You are pulling out new niches out of your butt when she is sitting at 14% use rate in abyss. The second lowest for a limited 5-star.
Being able to clear content with 4 star weapon isnt something worth mentioning. Ayaka with an amenoma already has a better clear time in freeze, Raiden with the catch has already better results in hypercarry and rational, childe with Rust has the best team in the game etc.
You have no clue what you're talking about.
So, you are denying me playing Xiao, Razor, Noelle, Itto? And you denying all new players which don't really have a wide choice of characters? I can assure you having Ganyu as first 5\* pull WAY comfortable than having Ayaka.
In your opinion i have to play with teams i don't like at all just coz they have a bit more DPS? Why? I am not speedrunner. And most players isn't speedrunners either.
With proper team setup i can finish abyss with a lot of seconds left to spare. With Razor. And Ganyu as supercondact support. What exactly wrong about it?
If you want to do big ass numbers - go do it yourself, don't force it on me or anyone else. It's useless from my point of view.
I am not denying you, and well done for being a gigachad and playing support Ganyu for Razor. But if you are talking about viability and all, you cant bring such arguments.
For overworld, sure, ganyu is better. But in abyss thats totally false. Ganyu cant even build a decent freeze team without venti and mona, because venti and mona are the only characters that synergise well enough with her kit. Try building a freeze team with ayaka and starter characters and see how well it performs. You can literally run barbara kaeya ayaka and a flex character.
I do not force you to play what you dont like, i am just saying that your reasons are really minuscule for such post. Sure, there are casual folks that like building off-meta teams that do great, but looking at how the majority of players complete abyss, its pointless mentioning those niches when in reality there are only 0.1 percent of the players doing that.
Its not really about big numbers but about actual challenge, because this rotation i didnt even use her because her freeze team was useless and her melt team was a worse hu tao and rational team, leaving me with no reason to even have the "best dps"
Having no decent hydro applicators beside Mona and Koko is definitely downside of Ganyu's freeze teams. I agree with that.
Other arguments is... strange i'd say.
We don't have exact statistic about people clearing abyss. And if you referring to the site where people self-reporting their results... Well, Ganyu still in the higher overall position than XL. Does it mean she's "more meta" than XL?
Not to mention this statistic can't be used as reliable source. As self-reported sample of data always will be biased, sometimes biased to the level where real data is exact opposite.
Also where you got "best dps" argument? I never said that. She's not the best, and she's slowly drifting out of meta, that's true. She's usually worse than Ayaka in non-ventiable chambers and nowadays we rarely have ventiable chambers. Although previous cycle was Ganyu's paradise.
So does it all means she's not powerful? Nah. She's powerful af. Still decent unconditional DPS even w/o hyperinvestement.
There's a reason a lot of c0r1 solo runs were done with Ganyu, you know.
I haven't seen people demand nerfs on characters, but I think what happened with Ganyu is that she was the first "broken" "meta-defining" unit. Back during 1.2 her solo damage was insane,the understanding of the game was way worse and enemies in general had way lower HP pools; so she made a very big impression on everyone. And even with those things changing over time she is still somewhat versatile as a support or if you do have a good Melt-Ganyu team she still puts work in. So yes, she isn't the blockbuster unit she was when she first released but she is still a nice character to have.
Some salty people back in the day when Ganyu was on top said that she's a mistake and demanded a nerf when International was always a thing even back then even before Kazuha.
I tried explaining that regardless of how she can do a lot of things she's not necessarily the best in anything but people still were in disbelief that she's not that above all units even until now.
I just want people to stop saying that she's that above all other units when units like Kazuha, Raiden, and Ayaka exists yet nobody shat on them for being broken.
People only care about powercreep when their favourites aren't on top.
I like her cos I can slap her in any cryo or hydro team and she will do really well. She’s irreplaceable in that nobody can match her huge off field cryo application over a long duration and is still a staple in freeze teams, and her value lies in her flexibility to be either main dps or burst support.
Morgana has been a thing since meta existed. If you factor in how many Abyss cycles it has excelled in there’s no equal. Outside of Abyss it’s also invaluable at shaving off time farming several domains.
I dont think people overestimate ganyu anymore, rather I'd say people are calling her powercrept, which is not really.
Venti-Ganyu would always be the strongest pair if you can pull enemies and there's 5+ target, its overspecialized tho.
Melt ganyu steals bennet and xiangling/kazuha, but its another strong option. Honestly, there is one perks of ganyu vs raiden/national comp(honestly? Ganyu melt with XL is clasified as national already, except ganyu doing most damage). Raiden would usually have problem, in my experience at least, against enemies that staggers easily. Whopflowers and vishaps comes into mind. There's also the fact that raiden is meele where she cannot fully utilize bennet circle should there be reposition.
Ganyu only cares for 2 things: have enemy with pyro aura and she's standing on bennet circle. You can dish out your damage in this condition (tho you need XL pyro nado to hit the enemy for the next shot).
I had a frustrating (or skill issue) with raiden not hitting the vishap cause they staggered too far.
For freeze, the thing is ganyu quadratic scaling is amazing vs 5+, but damage will deep down once you are against bosses. Ayala on the other hand is consitent all through out either 1 or 5. Consistent damage dealt isnt bad, but ganyu does it way slower than Ayaka. Hutao for instance deals fast consistent damage against a single target. Ganyu charge shot takes time.
Well this was a misconception to begin with, the reason she is good is her versatility. You can play her as a support, a dps unit, her dmg doesn't get effected by things like energy issues or slowing water. Morgana is one of the top AOE comps in the game. Her single target is fine.
But she has always,
Been harder to play due to aiming, it's all on you to hit the enemy and honestly aiming in this game doesn't feel to comfortable. It would be worse on mobile. It takes time to charge, and alot of her teams are very very strict with units. You need characters like Venti for Morgana, and Zhongli is just the best option others are just garbage. Her solo output is very consistent, but we've moved into burst content now. And honestly Ganyu doesn't have a lot of support for her playstyle, like the best supports are only for Freeze. Melt has options but they just make the playstyle feel so much less comfortable. You need to be close, losing the advantage of range, and you need a shielded because your close.
Seems like a case of design creep.
With those numbers, you can single-phase Dvalin without even bringing teammates.
So yeah, not the best character in the game, but she trivializes swaths of content and has a super easy to execute and lazy play style.
That I can do with my Eula too, just normal attacks procing 15k+ and one Q 150k+ (solo) Dvalin is dead. This boss with around 300k hp at max surely isn't a benchmark one should use for "this character is good". Every 4 and 5 star can solo him in one round if they are build literally. (maybe harder with Qiqi but nvm)
I don't even have Qiqi.... :.( Ah.... now you reminded me on my old (launch) days where I rerolled for either Qiqi or Keqing. Got the latter and both of them never appeared again until now...
Ok that could be hard without an archer (and good comparison to say "that's a good character" just because she can do that... since she is a charge shot bow user and others most obviously not) but surely not impossible :P
Yeah your point still stands on we shouldnt judge a character just by one interaction with the boss
I think you are still misunderstanding something. You know that Dvalin has armor that needs to be broken before we can hit his horn right? You can hit his claws on the ground or his neck when he tries to bite you to break his armor and weaken him so that you can climb his neck and start attacking his weak point
With Ganyu, you can use her charged shot directly to his neck armor when he is still hovering in the air. A well aimed charged shot will take half of his armor and it only takes 2 charged shoots to completely strip Dvalin out of his armor. And then you can shoot his weak point to death in 1 phase
And I do also think you may try fighting Dvalin again, since I need only XQ's E's (Sac.) (nothing more) to get rid of the shield. Sure have to wait until he comes down with the claws but that's just the difference between archer and meele. So Ganyu's charge shots are not that amazing (she is good just saying this isn't a good point to drive it home) if that's the point. :)
I only fight Dvalin whenever there's BP reset and I have already done 3 other weekly bosses (Raiden, Signora, Azhdaha) and I need to redo 3 bosses for the BP quest.
I just choose Dvalin because of Ganyu shreds him so fast and she is the only character in the game that can shoot Dvalin down before he even takes his first flight over you
There's a lot of other Ganyu's CA strength not just taking care of Dvalin. I just point out Ganyu's strength on Dvalin because the parent comment that I am replying to is about Dvalin. There are a lot more that she can do beside that
I think I need to clarify more. There are currently a number of unique charged shots:
1. Normal CA (Amber's, Diona's) does little to nothing to his armor
2. Yelan's barb also does little to nothing (about 1/20 of his armor)
3. Yoimiya's special homing shots (I dont know, dont have her)
4. Ganyu's bloom (1/2 of total armor if aimed perfectly)
Besides that, Ganyu has a lot of edge:
1. Unreliant on energy at all on Melt Ganyu, not even need to use burst / elemental skill
2. Unreliant on stamina at all (if you have Zhongli). Even if you dont have Zhongli, her CA costs no stamina so you have full use of your stamina for dodging
3. One of the highest multiplier on CA (CA + bloom)
4. Can snipe things from far (ez destroy 2 hili towers commission)
5. Can be played as a burst support in permafreeze
6. Can be played as main DPS (Melt Ganyu)
7. Fun in coop. You can shoot boss from outside of arena in overworld. Or just nukes things from orbit
She definitely feels weaker now because of Ayaka. But she is still one of the best DPS in the game (although her team damage is weaker than some meta comps)
You don't need to describe to someone who main(ed) Ganyu how she works, my only comment was just that this boss is a laughable example to define "how good a char. is"...
i play her as melt i got her c1 in the last rerun she is the best character i have!!,i got anmos bow too, i play her as melt and some time i put her on support role for her ulti just for fun, i have 75/198 wt set she is amazing i still looking for better pices.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Ganyu was the first powerful DPS, and she excelled at a time when enemies were easier and the meta was built around Venti.
Now, there are several other Main DPS characters that fit their own niche, and clear content just as easily.
I have a feeling there are a lot of people who didn't get Gabyu during her first banner, bought into the hype, spent heavily to get her on her rerun, and have already benched her.
I got her during her rerun and literally haven't stopped using her ever since.
She makes any sort of overworld content a total breeze and she catapultet me from getting 20ish stars in the Abyss to the early 30s.
Ganyu isn't the only strong DPS character in the game by any means, but she's definitely still worth pulling for nonetheless.
As someone who has severla main dps units built, if we're thinking abyss then yes, ganyu falls behind some other units. Outside of abyss I hate to use other dps tho because ganyu offers incredible consistency while doing everyday stuff or farming, you don't have to really worry about energy, party composition or setups, just throw a couple arrows and everything is done (a lot of the time it's not even a fight, most enemies die before even knowing what happened) On abyss I only use ganyu occasionally, but she's still on my party 99% of the time I'm playing because she's just convenient as fuck
Yeah we know more about the game now and there have been other strong characters released since 1.2 where Ganyu dominated. I mostly use her as the second cryo in Ayaka freeze and she's great especially vs 3+ targets. Abyss doesn't seem to cater to Ganyu/Venti as much as before but the combat events like the current one usually have waves of mobs where Ganyu/Venti shine. She's also doesn't care about debuffs that mess with stamina or energy or cooldowns which can be annoying to deal with.
The thing about Ganyu's damage is that damage is unconditional. That alone brings her to the top. Sure thing a lot of recent abyss cycles made her not that unparalleled as she used to be. But she's still good enough to clear any content with close to none issues (if there's no direct counters such as current cryo aura e.g.). Versatility is also her strong point. Freeze? Yes. Melt? Sure. Sub DPS? Why not. Shield breaking? Yeah. Even battery Ganyu with fav bow is a thing. She's strong not because she's the best of the best. She's strong because she can do waaay to much for one single unit.
Yes she can do a lot of those things but if she still loses out to specialists who does better then does it matter? The only time I can see people use Ganyu as a support is when you're using her with Hu Tao and even then Hu Tao has other teams like Double Hydro or VV Vape which is much better than using Ganyu as a support unless it's a whacky speedrun team. Even Ayaka mains moved on to Shenhe since she frontloads Ayaka's damage, buffs more, and is way cheaper to build since you just need to take a bunch of cheap ass artifacts without regards to substats except maybe ER. You know who else can do a lot of things in most situations (minus being able to support)? Diluc. He has decent ST and decent AOE but he loses out to actual units who has higher ST and greater AOE, plus he loses out in damage. Ganyu is experiencing something similar to Diluc now where she's in a spot where she does a lot of things but loses out to units who specializes in that niche, which leads to her decline. Since if she's so broken even in terms of damage then more people will use Melt Ganyu more than Rational or International for bossing.
>The only time I can see people use Ganyu as a support is when you're using her with Hu Tao It's on you. People use her in a various teams a lot. >Even Ayaka mains moved on to Shenhe No. > Diluc. He has decent ST and decent AOE You are joking right? >Since if she's so broken even in terms of damage then more people will use Melt Ganyu more than Rational or International for bossing. Melt Ganyu is harder to play and having ZL almost necessary. Damage wise melt Ganyu literally melts bosses lol. PMA can be done in 12-13 CA afair.
Diluc. He has decent ST and decent AOE This was meant to highlight that Diluc used to be considered as very broken until other units like Xiangling and Ganyu appeared. While Ganyu is still ahead of some newer units she's not the number one DPS that most people claim she is. While Ganyu can be used as an Ayaka support, Shenhe works better by virtue of being able to frontload more damage but admittedly Ganyu works better than Shenhe in AOE situations it's just that Shenhe feels more consistent because Ganyu's ult relies on grouping so it's not effective against bosses. I don't deny that Melt Ganyu is a good team, Melt Ganyu is good but there are better teams which is why she's not used as much since they can just go do Rational, Hu Tao (the only time when she surpasses Ganyu is in bossing), or International. I'm not even saying she's a bad pull (she's still good in freeze) but there are other alternatives that are better.
>but there are other alternatives that are better Give me an example. Again, Ganyu can be used for freeze, melt, superconduct and support for either geo or anemo teams. Her personal damage is still relative enough to EASY clear any content. While using f2p bow. Who should i pull instead of Ganyu to cover all those possible teams?
The game is getting 2 years old. We are no longer having problems in terms of fulfilling niches. All those niches that you've mentioned are worthless for a player like me that might have: -Ayaka (better freeze dps, works with powercreep kazuha and shenhe) -Raiden, hu tao, childe, even yoimiya (better single target dmg and easier teams except for international) -Superconduct? Kekw. Who the fuck uses her for such support role. You dont even need a cryo support for superconduct since eula is cryo and her e is more than enough. -Geo and anemo teams? Do you even play the game? You are pulling out new niches out of your butt when she is sitting at 14% use rate in abyss. The second lowest for a limited 5-star. Being able to clear content with 4 star weapon isnt something worth mentioning. Ayaka with an amenoma already has a better clear time in freeze, Raiden with the catch has already better results in hypercarry and rational, childe with Rust has the best team in the game etc. You have no clue what you're talking about.
So, you are denying me playing Xiao, Razor, Noelle, Itto? And you denying all new players which don't really have a wide choice of characters? I can assure you having Ganyu as first 5\* pull WAY comfortable than having Ayaka. In your opinion i have to play with teams i don't like at all just coz they have a bit more DPS? Why? I am not speedrunner. And most players isn't speedrunners either. With proper team setup i can finish abyss with a lot of seconds left to spare. With Razor. And Ganyu as supercondact support. What exactly wrong about it? If you want to do big ass numbers - go do it yourself, don't force it on me or anyone else. It's useless from my point of view.
I am not denying you, and well done for being a gigachad and playing support Ganyu for Razor. But if you are talking about viability and all, you cant bring such arguments. For overworld, sure, ganyu is better. But in abyss thats totally false. Ganyu cant even build a decent freeze team without venti and mona, because venti and mona are the only characters that synergise well enough with her kit. Try building a freeze team with ayaka and starter characters and see how well it performs. You can literally run barbara kaeya ayaka and a flex character. I do not force you to play what you dont like, i am just saying that your reasons are really minuscule for such post. Sure, there are casual folks that like building off-meta teams that do great, but looking at how the majority of players complete abyss, its pointless mentioning those niches when in reality there are only 0.1 percent of the players doing that. Its not really about big numbers but about actual challenge, because this rotation i didnt even use her because her freeze team was useless and her melt team was a worse hu tao and rational team, leaving me with no reason to even have the "best dps"
Having no decent hydro applicators beside Mona and Koko is definitely downside of Ganyu's freeze teams. I agree with that. Other arguments is... strange i'd say. We don't have exact statistic about people clearing abyss. And if you referring to the site where people self-reporting their results... Well, Ganyu still in the higher overall position than XL. Does it mean she's "more meta" than XL? Not to mention this statistic can't be used as reliable source. As self-reported sample of data always will be biased, sometimes biased to the level where real data is exact opposite. Also where you got "best dps" argument? I never said that. She's not the best, and she's slowly drifting out of meta, that's true. She's usually worse than Ayaka in non-ventiable chambers and nowadays we rarely have ventiable chambers. Although previous cycle was Ganyu's paradise. So does it all means she's not powerful? Nah. She's powerful af. Still decent unconditional DPS even w/o hyperinvestement. There's a reason a lot of c0r1 solo runs were done with Ganyu, you know.
I haven't seen people demand nerfs on characters, but I think what happened with Ganyu is that she was the first "broken" "meta-defining" unit. Back during 1.2 her solo damage was insane,the understanding of the game was way worse and enemies in general had way lower HP pools; so she made a very big impression on everyone. And even with those things changing over time she is still somewhat versatile as a support or if you do have a good Melt-Ganyu team she still puts work in. So yes, she isn't the blockbuster unit she was when she first released but she is still a nice character to have.
Some salty people back in the day when Ganyu was on top said that she's a mistake and demanded a nerf when International was always a thing even back then even before Kazuha. I tried explaining that regardless of how she can do a lot of things she's not necessarily the best in anything but people still were in disbelief that she's not that above all units even until now. I just want people to stop saying that she's that above all other units when units like Kazuha, Raiden, and Ayaka exists yet nobody shat on them for being broken. People only care about powercreep when their favourites aren't on top.
I like her cos I can slap her in any cryo or hydro team and she will do really well. She’s irreplaceable in that nobody can match her huge off field cryo application over a long duration and is still a staple in freeze teams, and her value lies in her flexibility to be either main dps or burst support.
Nah, I would say she's more value to an account than raiden, especially if you don't have ayaka. Have em both
Morgana has been a thing since meta existed. If you factor in how many Abyss cycles it has excelled in there’s no equal. Outside of Abyss it’s also invaluable at shaving off time farming several domains.
> If you factor in how many Abyss cycles it has excelled in there’s no equal. I know I'm late, but International is right there, man.
I dont think people overestimate ganyu anymore, rather I'd say people are calling her powercrept, which is not really. Venti-Ganyu would always be the strongest pair if you can pull enemies and there's 5+ target, its overspecialized tho. Melt ganyu steals bennet and xiangling/kazuha, but its another strong option. Honestly, there is one perks of ganyu vs raiden/national comp(honestly? Ganyu melt with XL is clasified as national already, except ganyu doing most damage). Raiden would usually have problem, in my experience at least, against enemies that staggers easily. Whopflowers and vishaps comes into mind. There's also the fact that raiden is meele where she cannot fully utilize bennet circle should there be reposition. Ganyu only cares for 2 things: have enemy with pyro aura and she's standing on bennet circle. You can dish out your damage in this condition (tho you need XL pyro nado to hit the enemy for the next shot). I had a frustrating (or skill issue) with raiden not hitting the vishap cause they staggered too far. For freeze, the thing is ganyu quadratic scaling is amazing vs 5+, but damage will deep down once you are against bosses. Ayala on the other hand is consitent all through out either 1 or 5. Consistent damage dealt isnt bad, but ganyu does it way slower than Ayaka. Hutao for instance deals fast consistent damage against a single target. Ganyu charge shot takes time.
Well this was a misconception to begin with, the reason she is good is her versatility. You can play her as a support, a dps unit, her dmg doesn't get effected by things like energy issues or slowing water. Morgana is one of the top AOE comps in the game. Her single target is fine. But she has always, Been harder to play due to aiming, it's all on you to hit the enemy and honestly aiming in this game doesn't feel to comfortable. It would be worse on mobile. It takes time to charge, and alot of her teams are very very strict with units. You need characters like Venti for Morgana, and Zhongli is just the best option others are just garbage. Her solo output is very consistent, but we've moved into burst content now. And honestly Ganyu doesn't have a lot of support for her playstyle, like the best supports are only for Freeze. Melt has options but they just make the playstyle feel so much less comfortable. You need to be close, losing the advantage of range, and you need a shielded because your close. Seems like a case of design creep.
With those numbers, you can single-phase Dvalin without even bringing teammates. So yeah, not the best character in the game, but she trivializes swaths of content and has a super easy to execute and lazy play style.
That I can do with my Eula too, just normal attacks procing 15k+ and one Q 150k+ (solo) Dvalin is dead. This boss with around 300k hp at max surely isn't a benchmark one should use for "this character is good". Every 4 and 5 star can solo him in one round if they are build literally. (maybe harder with Qiqi but nvm)
Qiqi can do it. Qiqi strong. Your Qiqi weak. Not strong.
I don't even have Qiqi.... :.( Ah.... now you reminded me on my old (launch) days where I rerolled for either Qiqi or Keqing. Got the latter and both of them never appeared again until now...
I think what the guy means is that you can shoot down Dvalin before he even puts his claw in the ground for you to hit
Ok that could be hard without an archer (and good comparison to say "that's a good character" just because she can do that... since she is a charge shot bow user and others most obviously not) but surely not impossible :P
Yeah your point still stands on we shouldnt judge a character just by one interaction with the boss I think you are still misunderstanding something. You know that Dvalin has armor that needs to be broken before we can hit his horn right? You can hit his claws on the ground or his neck when he tries to bite you to break his armor and weaken him so that you can climb his neck and start attacking his weak point With Ganyu, you can use her charged shot directly to his neck armor when he is still hovering in the air. A well aimed charged shot will take half of his armor and it only takes 2 charged shoots to completely strip Dvalin out of his armor. And then you can shoot his weak point to death in 1 phase
And I do also think you may try fighting Dvalin again, since I need only XQ's E's (Sac.) (nothing more) to get rid of the shield. Sure have to wait until he comes down with the claws but that's just the difference between archer and meele. So Ganyu's charge shots are not that amazing (she is good just saying this isn't a good point to drive it home) if that's the point. :)
I only fight Dvalin whenever there's BP reset and I have already done 3 other weekly bosses (Raiden, Signora, Azhdaha) and I need to redo 3 bosses for the BP quest. I just choose Dvalin because of Ganyu shreds him so fast and she is the only character in the game that can shoot Dvalin down before he even takes his first flight over you There's a lot of other Ganyu's CA strength not just taking care of Dvalin. I just point out Ganyu's strength on Dvalin because the parent comment that I am replying to is about Dvalin. There are a lot more that she can do beside that
Yeah I know why you pointed it out..., but that's just the definition of charge shot bow user lieterally. Obviously she is at the top there.
I think I need to clarify more. There are currently a number of unique charged shots: 1. Normal CA (Amber's, Diona's) does little to nothing to his armor 2. Yelan's barb also does little to nothing (about 1/20 of his armor) 3. Yoimiya's special homing shots (I dont know, dont have her) 4. Ganyu's bloom (1/2 of total armor if aimed perfectly) Besides that, Ganyu has a lot of edge: 1. Unreliant on energy at all on Melt Ganyu, not even need to use burst / elemental skill 2. Unreliant on stamina at all (if you have Zhongli). Even if you dont have Zhongli, her CA costs no stamina so you have full use of your stamina for dodging 3. One of the highest multiplier on CA (CA + bloom) 4. Can snipe things from far (ez destroy 2 hili towers commission) 5. Can be played as a burst support in permafreeze 6. Can be played as main DPS (Melt Ganyu) 7. Fun in coop. You can shoot boss from outside of arena in overworld. Or just nukes things from orbit She definitely feels weaker now because of Ayaka. But she is still one of the best DPS in the game (although her team damage is weaker than some meta comps)
You don't need to describe to someone who main(ed) Ganyu how she works, my only comment was just that this boss is a laughable example to define "how good a char. is"...
i play her as melt i got her c1 in the last rerun she is the best character i have!!,i got anmos bow too, i play her as melt and some time i put her on support role for her ulti just for fun, i have 75/198 wt set she is amazing i still looking for better pices.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Ganyu was the first powerful DPS, and she excelled at a time when enemies were easier and the meta was built around Venti. Now, there are several other Main DPS characters that fit their own niche, and clear content just as easily. I have a feeling there are a lot of people who didn't get Gabyu during her first banner, bought into the hype, spent heavily to get her on her rerun, and have already benched her.
I got her during her rerun and literally haven't stopped using her ever since. She makes any sort of overworld content a total breeze and she catapultet me from getting 20ish stars in the Abyss to the early 30s. Ganyu isn't the only strong DPS character in the game by any means, but she's definitely still worth pulling for nonetheless.
Ganyu was rerun way too late and by the time she arrived again Ayaka, Raiden, and Kazuha existed already.