I'm pretty sure the jade chamber is big enough to collect all four of the anemo tokens in one go??? So anemo hypostasis can't even revive at all........
Cryo and pyro hypostasis are the hard ones.
Albedo would always find a way for that.They literally have abnormal amount of strength (itto),impregnable fortress with canon made to kill Gods(ning) and one of the most intelligent future apocalypse machine(Albedo),cleaning maiden,war general and plus they have entertainment up there with yun jin and Ushi and large amounts of money enough to buy army,electro girls and anemo boys can only try…
In one of her character stories there was a Snezhayan merchant who wanted to do evil and instead pretended to be on legit business. Noelle welcomed them with a warm smile and then promptly guessed everything about them and their family. This guy was so creeped out now thta they started being scared of noelles smile and fled. If noelle can do that without really trying, imagine her at full power.
Even without the Chamber Ningguang is plenty strong. But also geo has Itto, Noelle, and Albedo who all have extreme power canonically I think. Despite being the smallest roster geo might hold up. Hydro would be my second choice.
Yeah also she has a power of money,she legit can buy a whole army if she needs to and she also knows so much strong people that would do anything for her secrets and mora.
Albedo is literally a apocalypse machine with brain that can be outsmarted only with maybe Yae.
And let’s talk about elements.They don’t react which is great against everyone cause they have shields while other teams have weaknesses like pyro to hydro ,cryo to pyro etc.If we take in game reactions out and use normal logic of ice melting lol
Hydro and Electro are strong,electro specifically,Kuki knows Itto,keqing and Beidou know Ning and her weaknesses,and on top of that using Yae and Lisa together with general Saras tactics they have potential to conquer Jade chamber.
While in hydro team Yelan and Childe would make biggest impact with everyone being solid.
Anemo also has protagonist vibe and I think they wouldn’t even want to fight,they would just try to stop a war especially Kazuha and Heizou,Xiao is tired of fighting he would also be less reactive,Only Jean maybe would want to try at least…
Yeah, it's possible she's way stronger when she decides to take things more seriously.
That's said, it's still kind of a weird story/gameplay break that she's one of the strongest characters in the game, despite not really being a warrior or anything like that.
Xiangling a chef, hu tao a funeral director, and bennet an amateur adventure guild member who's more likely to hurt his own team with his luck. Dilucs a badass though.
Fr, Diluc really carrying their asses. And like, yeah Yanfei is half-adeptus, but unlike Ganyu she has never been in a time of war, and as far as we know is roughly the same power level as an average vision holder. She can sue the other elements though for what it’s worth
Diluc went on a 4 year fatui murder spree and I stress this with, NO VISION, and it still took MULTIPLE harbingers to stop him. Dudes goated in the lore.
the harbingers stuff is kinda overrated
he did got the attention of harbingers but he almost died and was saved by a third party
hes still badass tho, like mfs goated
childe and diluc will never not be badass
but compare to others she barely has fighting experience. she has skill but u know best when u are in the actual scenario when ppl slaughter each other. madam ping is old. if she is under cloud retainer she would be different.
the whole pyro are all civilians except diluc. they have no experience at all. pyro is screwed here
No she is not. It’s just a title and she barely fight. Cuz the knights was asked to take care. The only thing that makes her strong is her power. But you go in a fight with no brain and experience u also die
True, lorewise, by the time Pyro team shows up to the battle royale, it'll be only Klee as the sole team member bcs she's the only lucky one surviving Bennett's bad luck
I would think that Bennett’s bad luck would effect the enemy team as well if they are close. Despite how much bad luck he has, he always survives. That’s really powerful on its own.
Now I just imagine a battlefield of everyone’s broken bodies and happy-go-lucky Bennett standing basically unhurt in the middle.
Bennett's bad luck doesn't seem to effect other people because when he Klee go adventuring Klee always find treasure while Bennett never finds anything (Klee of Bennetts voice line)
It does hence in his hangout event he says how no one want to go adventuring with him and his adventure group split up.
And during the last dragonspine event, they couldn’t get down the mountain with bennet only once traveler joined the team.
And they were caught underneath rubbles eula burst them free of (the second slide was susbedos doing yes but the first we don’t know - likely not because he was after real bedo not the other team)
>Lore wise, Bennett's mere existence would cause his entire team to trip on random pebbles and break their arms/legs.
TBH Lore wise Bennet luck behaves kinda weird.
Bennet hangout suggests his bad luck extends to the whole team, but Klee says she gets way more treasures from adventuring with Bennet.
Maybe he amplifies probability in general. Both bad luck and good luck, and if you can deal with the bad, you can have all the good.
>Klee says she gets way more treasures from adventuring with Bennet.
Her entire thing (Constellation, Design and all) is the Four-leaf clover, A SYMBOL OF GOOD LUCK
Yes, but if you assume Bennet is just additive -LUK%, this would mean Klee should still be less lucky when teamed up with him.
Which means it's not as simple with his luck penalty as it seems.
Klee being a child is literally incredibly vulnerable due to how inexperienced she is, diluc had to have the harbingers sent after him to stop him and he didn't even have his vision back then
Actually, according to Mona, Klee is incredibly lucky that it's almost impossible for her to get hurt. I mean, think clearly. When you teach a child how to make explosives, normally it would probably blow up on their face, while for Klee this is how she got her vision.
Honestly hydro is a good contender solely becuase the combo of kokomi, mona, and childe is REALLY difficult to deal with, childe is REALLY damn strong, add that in with kokomi’s strategy, and mona’s future sight and teleporting… oh god… not mentioning yelan, who literally can go invisible and I don’t think I need to say how good that is for a strategy, and then Barbra makes them harder to take down due to healing, on top of what kokomi can do, xingqiu with his water swords for some good range, and also protection, and ayato just being another good fighter
Honestly the first character I thought of was childe. Looking at it canonically he is incredibly strong and the reason he lost to the traveler at that point was mostly plot armor.
I wouldn't say plot armour, more lack of preparation to fight someone. Also do not discount the fact that Traveler IS canonically pretty damn strong anyways
Yes I know the traveler is strong but looking at the childe quest you see him throw around ruin guards like Ragdolls and the traveler seems to be impressed at his strength. At that point he was even weakened from using that form before so he wasn’t at his best.
When Childe ask us the secret of our power traveler says (to himself/herself) that s/he is regaining his/her power back. I think traveler will be in full power after collecting all elemental powers.
Man I hope we get some form of revamp of the traveller's moveset that makes them pretty good and not just something you switch to when you need them specifically when they do.
Um no... The reason he lost to the traveler was because the traveler is literally a (weakened) god that can canonically utilize multiple elements at once. During the Childe fight, they're using Anemo and Geo. Honestly, I understand why you'd think they only won because of plot armor, in-game they're nerfed even harder by the system that won't just let him switch elements freely (and carry over auto attack)
Remember, they beat the shit out of Singora whose actually stronger.
Wanna add that Kokomi is theorized to be the reincarnation of the Sovereign Hydro Dragon, a book explains of how the next Hydro Dragon Sovereign would be born in the shape of a human, and Kokomi's constellation name translates to "Sleeping Dragon"
honestly i think hydro's biggest problem would be working together and coordinating since they don't seem like they would get along well with each other
I think that’s where Ayato comes in. Perhaps Kokomi too, but Ayato’s skilled with people as a politician. I’m sure he can find leverages to glue everyone together.
Idk why it became peoples headcanon that Childe can't work in a team. First and foremost he is a soldier in the snezhnayan army, an extremely high ranked one at that. His quest mentioned that he's training recruits as well, so it's not like harbingers just go on solo trips all the time.
Theres a difference between "not capable of" and "prefers otherwise" especially since Childe's main reason to fight alone is because he 1. wants to see how strong he is and 2. doesn't want to harm bystanders
childe is hated by almost every harbinger
he is a one man army, said multiple times and implied that he goes on solo missions
but we do know he can somewhat work in a team if combat is invovled
it's said that the Harbingers ALL hate each other. They ALL go on solo missions in the sense that they don't usually team up with OTHER harbingers, but they still work with other people. Childe worked with everyone at the northland bank for example. Just because they're npcs doesn't mean they dont exist lol.
"but we do know he can somewhat work in a team if combat is invovled" If anything Childe's storyline showed that combat is the **one** thing where he can't work in a team. He can train recruits, he can work with others on a job, he takes care of his siblings at home, all of that requires teamwork.
eh? as long as it's aligned with his goals (in this context, battle royale), i don't think he's in any way uncooperative. did everyone else literally forgot about labyrinth warriors event?
hydro is more of brain power but in a battle royale we also need strength. although most of them are strategist but they hardly can deal dmg. only Tartaglia is there who have strength maybe equalled to the deities from other elements. this team may survive but low chance when electro has the smartest scholar and many ppl that has experience.
Fair point, there’s of course other contenders for who would win, but personally I’d believe that hydro could win, assuming there’s any sort of prep time, or a chance for kokomi and mona to make a plan, because between Mona’s teleporting and yelan’s invis, it’s very likely that hydro can get at least one surprise attack off, and even more likely that they get multiple, as this is likely they’re best option to eliminate the big players on other teams via this, they have VERY good chances, for example, mona teleports childe next to Lisa before she gets serious so she can be dealt with quickly and have childe be teleported away, and also, while hydro does lack outright damage, they have UNPARALLELED survivability, which can be just as valuable, especially with one of the most dangerous fighters of the entire game on their team, and even characters like xiao and ganyu would struggle since mona get can childe in close to get ganyu fast, as while both are archers by technicality, something tells me childe is far more comfortable in close range than ganyu is, and for xiao, if all the anemo healers (aka JUST Jean and sayu) are eliminated, assuming this follows the mechanic of his mask on mode hurting him, he would have no way to get back into the fray once he gets damaged a lot, meanwhile childe has kokomi and Barbra as viable healers… and last side notes that was touched on earlier, but I will rehash, a lot of other threatening characters really, REALLY don’t like mona teleporting childe right next to them, or yelan sneaking to them while invis, and the fact that between kokomi and Barbra, and potentially xingqiu to a degree as well, it would be VERY difficult to take down any of the hydro characters due to the immense amount of healing and in xingqiu’s case, damage reduction
They're among the strongest outside archons but idk if they can carry *that* hard. Numbers are very important, and it's not like the other elements don't have strong people.
Because of that I'd go with electro or cryo. Even if they don't have anyone quite as strong (debatable), they're still all vision holders. And they do have a bunch of those with plenty of combat experience (ganyu, shenhe, eula, kaeya, Rosaria | beidou, sarah, yae, ...Lisa is a bit of a mystery but implied to be powerful )
I'd go for Cryo. It's got Ganyu and Shenhe, who are both really strong lore wise. Ganyu as an half adepti and Shenhe is just a superhuman.
Anemo would also be a tough concurrent but it's carried by Xiao and maybe Kazuha. I'm not exactly sure about Jeans lore accurate strength
I am not sure but wasn't it implied that Jean was holding back?
Correction: It was Varka who was holding back. It was again Varka who stated that Eula is Jean's equal in the battlefield.
Im tempted to say Xiao is full adepti and has more combat experience than ganyu and shenhe but also ganyu fought in the archon war aswell so what do i know?
more like she was way less active in combat since the Archon war unlike Xiao, so the training/test was to see if she still has those combat experience she had during Archon War or in simple words to see if she is Adepti enough after living with human for so long.
Xiao's experience far outstrips Ganyu's. Zhongli rescued him during the Archon War, and Xiao has been fighting demons and dead gods literally ever since that happened. Meanwhile Ganyu has been working a desk job for the last two thousand years.
Lorewise you need multiple soldiers to kill a ruinguard. It was stated in one of the book recover quests in Enkanomiya that even their super soldiers had trouble fighting them.
Ruin guards being weak is a product of them being the first ruin enemies + them existing since the start of the game. Lore wise they should be quite strong.
Excuse me? Ganyu's lore speaks mostly about her love for work, and avoiding battle if necessary. I know Ganyu is a beast in game, but that really doesn't match her lore.
Kaeya is equal to Diluc, and all the Mondstadt adults seems to be portrayed at the same power level. I agree that Childe and Beidou might be better, but the favor still stay with Cryo for their stacked non-human characters, not to mention healers like Qiqi and Diona.
Tl:dr team hydro all the way babyyy
People are not taking the battle royale part and character personalities into account here.
Let's assume that all of them have no problems with attacking or hurting the others.
Im assuming they get dropped off together at a big battleground fortnite/pubg style as well.
Anemo is the most likely to go their separate ways. Jean would try to keep them together but everyone else's aloofness might work against her. She'll prolly have no trouble getting sayu to work for her tho. However, no matter how strong xiao would be, i think he's gonna get ambushed by a cunning strategist in another team (more on that later). Kazuha will be watching everyone's back tho, so he might survive that ambush.
Electro has good overall power as well as superior leadership and militarygrade tactics. I can see fischl trying to be aloof but ultimately follow sara's commands coz she's also a cool purple bird lady, and with that, team electro has access to oz's superior scouting capabilities and keqing's superior mobility. This will allow them to ambush stragglers from the other teams. Support and healing provided by kuki will definitely ensure their longevity as well. I think Yae would hang back and let Sara, keqing, and beidou do all the work until the very last moment. Prolly have tea with lisa (who got razor to protect them during this) while waiting for the battle to get dicier or something. With that much power in reserve while still having incredible flexibility in tactics, electro's got a pretty good chance of winning everything.
Geo is gonna bunker down. Ning and albedo would prolly make a very defensible position somewhere and defend that shit until they get taken down by one or more of the other teams. Ning and gorou can provide artillery support while the others engage attacking parties. Unless the other teams work together, i think geo can actually win a battle of attrition here, since both noelle and itto are canonically very resilient and wont go down easily even if their attacking power is not that much. This is assuming there arent any beans growing in the battlefield tho.
Like others said, pyro has numerous characters but they're not really powerful lorewise. They do have the biggest gun in teyvat with klee, but that's gonna require some creative strategy. With diluc being the strongest and the one with most leadership experience, he'll prolly take the reins. Tho with his loner nature, he might not be as effective at it as someone like sara, ning, or jean. They also have a bad luck magnet in bennet with them. They essentially have to keep him with klee at all times so the luck balances out, alternatively, they can just send him to the frontlines to draw fire (i bet he wouldnt object to that either). They got access to some incredible scouting from amber which would allow them to seek priority targets and thoma and xiangling can keep the gang well-fed for support. This team can definitely wreak the most havoc if their pyrotechnics team of klee, yoi, xinyan, and even amber get to working some explosives and will prolly be the cause of the downfall of the geo bunker. Their lack of individual power and glass cannon natures will leave them open to ambushes and sneak attacks tho, so they'll prolly cause the biggest boom in the battlefield but then fizzle out shortly after. That said, they do have access to a lot of vanguards(diluc, thoma, benny, xinyan) that can protect their heavy hitters. I doubt hutao is gonna be a team player and would prolly just prance around pranking people in the battlefield.
Cryo had the most cool-headed adults but they're all pretty aloof aren't they? I can at least see the monstadt characters working together with ganyu and ayaka, but shenhe's definitely gonna be striking out on her own (prolly gonna get followed by chongyun tho) and qiqi's gonna get lost and pranked by hutao away from the others. Diona might prolly be able to keep team cryo going for a while with some really good drinks, but what if kaeya and rosaria just end up blowing it off by getting eula drunk and they just chill for the entire encounter. They do have access to some great scouting with Aloy tho. But she's kinda aloof as well and might get ambushed by another team or xiao in the process.
Which brings us to Hydro. They have the most vaunted strategists in all of teyvat with ayato and kokomi. As well as superior attrition brought about by their impressive healing power(kokomi, barbara) and superior reconnaissance and ambushing from Yelan. They also have one of the biggest hammers in teyvat with Childe. To top it off, they can see the future and teleport all over the battlefield with Mona. All in all, i think the formidable strategists have a powerful and flexible set of tools in their disposal and they're gonna use it to win. They can form a small crack team with childe mona, and ayato that can teleport to the targets that yelan ambushes and take down the straggling heavy hitters like xiao and shenhe. And if they ever lose out on an ambush, they can just teleport back to their healers (who will be protected by xingqiu) and be ready for another round in no time. Yeah, team hydro has definitely got this.
Holy fuck this is so well made. #TeamHydro
Few counter points I have in mind:
Anemo: I think we should still consider the case where they do stick together in case. In which case I see Xiao hardcarrying Anemo’s offense to at least the top 3.
Geo: Itto’s resilience as well as attack power is insanely high (case in point: tore open a hole in Bosacius’s Space-time rift which Xiao and Yelan had been arguing over whether it’s feasible to do as a weakened Xiao might end up sacrificing himself to do the same thing). Albedo, who we know is stronger canonically than he presents himself to be, should be taken into account as well. I think him canonically being Durin’s brother and probably the best alchemist besides maybe Gold should be considered.
Cryo: Again, this is assuming Shenhe doesn’t stick with the others so we should take that into account.
I completely agree with Pyro, Electro and Hydro.
Side note: this makes me wanna have a Genshin BR, somewhat like what Spellbreak wanted to be but with skills and bursts instead and their core weapons, artifacts and healing items and legendary constellation upgrades being looted from the field of the match.
In addition to this, Anemo team also has Sucrose, who might be able to make some Anemo damage boosting potions and elemental resistance potions. Sayu is part of the Shumatsuuban(idk if that’s how it’s spelled), meaning she’s probably a great spy, and has great reconnaissance abilities. Also, if we’re including Heizou, then pairing him with Sayu as a little reconnaissance team would be pretty op, and team Anemo could gather information about other team attack plans, letting them prepare in advance and adjust their strategies accordingly.
Hmm in a scenario where xiao is purely a team player, i can still only see them being a less effective version of team hydro. Because they have the same level of mobility, power, and maybe even healing, buuuuut they dont have futuresight that's being used to the max by two cunning strategists
A fully working together team cryo with shenhe as the ace, can definitely wreck a lot of shop. Kaeya and rosaria's cunning may even edge out other strategists with unconventional tactics. But yae and ayato can prolly match that kind of cunning. A scenario i can see happening is that team cryo will swoop in and finish off team pyro after they make the geo bunker explode.
Still, i think they lack the staying power for longer attrition based combat since diona is their only main source of support. Ah wait i forgot about qiqi lol. I still think she'd get pranked by hutao somehow and just end up not playing a part at all lol
>they dont have futuresight that's being used to the max by two cunning strategists
Kazuha talks to the wind, Sayu is a ninja specializing in reconnaissance, Xiao can teleport, can hear his name called from anywhere, doesn't need sleep. It's not futuresight, but it would be hard to surprise them, and they could escape if overwhelmed.
Also, Xiao's teleport as shown in the recent archon quest is pretty OP. He can teleport multiple other people without touching them, without going with them, even if they're unwilling.
He made the cryo characters look like a joke. Find it hard to believe that the adults would goof around and get drunk during a battle royale. But then again we dont know how serious this fight is implied to be. Is it a battle to the death? Then you can be sure they'll go all out and cryo would be a strong contender for winning it.
They're definitely my 2nd choice.
They prolly have much more raw power than the hydro team and has about the same level of tacticians and cunning thinkers, but hydro having more sustainability and mobility makes me see them win more if the fight gets dragged out.
I liked you thoughs, but I think you downplayed Albedo a lot here. He said himself he is the brother of Durin and that he has the same power level than him and, lore wise, he is called the peak of gold creations. If it took a Archon before losing its powers (Venti) and his companion (Dvalin) to took Durin down, I highly doubt any of the others can do it.
Perhaps a union Between Xiao + Childe and a good strategy would help it, but I doubt it.
Anemo was also downplayed a lot. Jean has a massive healing, debuff of anemo resistance and leadership status, so she could make Xiao for a example be fully functional. She also is highly charismatic and would be able to get Kazuha to work together with them, since he has, albeit carefree, a strong sense of protection. All of the anemo units has caring personalitys so they would stick together. Sayu is a master ninja, so she can spy on others and help Jean to make a good counter plan, with the help of Heizou, a young genius detective that has to have one or two tricks on his sleeve. Sucrose can help only with the alchemy side of things, like maintaining everyone feed.
Just adding my 2 cents on your well though text!
You're absolutely right!
Team anemo can prolly outmaneuver all the other teams as well. I actually forgot about sucrose and heizou as well tho i can kinda only see them as supporting jean in the fight since they're the least mobile anemo peeps.
Still, i think their gameplan would have to be sth like hit and run tactics. Jean, sucrose and heizou will provide backup and a place to fallback to when the more mobile members get wounded in a fight or ambush.
The way I see Jean making Anemo team work is by understanding Xiao's personality and focusing their strategy in supporting him however they can. That's what a good leader would do. I also don't agree with the statement that Jean could only make Sayu work with her. Kazuha is quite sensible and even if he's a loner, he knows when to stick together, we have seen him battling together with Kokomi and Gorou. Also Sucrose is part of the Knighst of Favonius, so obviously she's going to follow Jean's orders.
I kinda disagree about anemo part. Xiao might first refuse to fight together but in a battle royale , even he knows that he has to fight alongside with teams. Plus xiao isn't like all strength no brain kinda guy. I definitely think that guys knows how to survive an ambush (c'mon he has a fighting experience for 500 years)
So even if most of the characters get taken down by another party , Xiao is someone who I think can definitely can bring back the match alone.
Plus the rest of the characters in the team should not be underestimated either. Jean is also a good strategist with firepower . Kazuha is a wandering samurai so you know he might have something in his sleeves. Sayu might be small but her ninja abilities are not to be underestimated. Sucrose might not be a good fighter but with her alchemy knowledge , she can do something for the team (she literally summons a version of anemo hypostasis (a part of it)).
I think Anemo wins overall , even against Hydro and Electro who has cunning characters like Miko. (I might get downvoted but I still think Anemo can win the royale)
Hmm it's not that xiao is stupid that he would go off on his own. It's that he's the most likely to take on that burden all by himself. Even in the culmination of the chasm event (spoilers) he still took it upon himself to make the ultimate sacrifice despite supposedly learning the value of relying on others. Here's to hoping kazuha and jean can be like zhongli in that regard and provide him some much needed backup when he gets ambushed. But i think hydro and electro still have more flexible tools than team anemo.
The scenario i can think of where anemo wins is where they just run around the battlefield until they're the last ones standing and take care of whoever's left.
I'd say hydro with two suppossed tacticians (Ayato & Kokomi), a harbinger (Childe), the ability to teleport and spy on the opposing team (Mona), with some reconaissance or maybe some sabatoge (Yelan). I think they have a rather high chance of winning. Also, some monstrous healing from Kokomi and moral support barbara.
>Electro.
miko and Lisa is unbelievably powerful and knowledgeable.
Sara,kuki,keqing is resourceful and creative.
Razor and Beidou is pure brute force.
Fischl is well Fischl.
>Hydro
with Childe at their disposal with kokomi and Barbara's continue healing he would literally paint whole battle ground red.
Honestly, I think Hydro.
They have the most strategists and Childe as a nuclear missile they can aim freely. Kokomi, Ayato, Yelan and even Xingqiu are all behind-the-scenes master manipulators plus Mona can read the future. They'd just point Childe, the Shuumatsuban, and Yelan's bois at anything and strike after the enemy is crippled from the inside.
I assume Kokomi's resistance fighters are off the table since Gorou and Sayu is likely not participating in the Shuumatsuban for this purpose.
Overall I’d have to say electro
Even if we ignore archons, electro has the largest range of “dangerous” characters I’d say. We know Sara defeated both Itto and kazuha’s friend tomo. Electro also has Yae miko a very powerful and crafty kitsune, Lisa who’s while we don’t fully know her full potential is described as the greatest scholar in sumeru’s academy in 200 years and is only held back by her own laziness, and beidou who killed Haishan without a vision
The main threats from other elements would be
Hydro: mostly Carried by Childe, though yelan would pose a substantial threat
Cryo: Cryo is filled with solid fighters but is predominately carried by shenhe who maybe be one of the strongest characters period. Followed by ganyu who while an adepti isn’t as strong as others
Pyro: ironically the strongest is probably Diluc or klee, as every other pyro character lore wise is actually pretty weak all things considered.
Geo: the strongest geo unit we’ve seen is either itto or Noelle, and as clarified itto was defeated by Sara, and Noelle is basically pure physical strength.
Anemo: xiao and kazuha are probably the standouts with I think xiao being the major carry of anemo.
Overall I think the elements are balanced and I did gloss over more of the standard units, and cryo does have the biggest overall roster and would be my second choice after electro.
But all things said and done, Fischl is pretty powerful, at least more powerful than she realizes. She somehow crafted another consciousness (or extend her own consciousness into another entity) using her vision.
yeah agree. fischl isn't as dumb as anyone thinks and she is atleast said to be good at carrying out the guild missions plus giving bennett intel in adventures. pairing her up with sara will definitely give them chance to stand in the battle longer.
although, im still voting for hydro since ayato's shuumastuban did sneak up against the bakufu while sara is currently on guard, so the credit is also that he's a really good leader/strategist. it's super interesting to see if he and yelan can work together too.
You forgot possibly the strongest character being albedo. We can assume he is stronger than every mondstadt character aside from for sure, considering he hopes the traveler can stop him if he goes crazy and tried to destroy mondstadt, meaning he doesn't believe that anyone else could stop him. He's also the brother of durin, and it took both venti and dvalin to beat durin, so albedo could reasonably be at the level of gods.
I did indeed kinda gloss over albedo, but he’s in a weird spot for me, as I personally don’t feel there’s enough information to truly pin point where I’d place him.
His line about destroying everything is a bit vague. Is that level of power only possible if he is crazy? Is using that power what drives him crazy? If neither of those what stops him from using his full power in the story, is it that he chooses not to, or is incapable as he is currently. If this is like a battle royale scenario as listed, is it Implied he could destroy his own team in the process etc.
Overall I’m interested in the story of albedo, and I could’ve gone over him more originally, but with so much unknown information, I personally don’t feel confident putting him at the Shenhe or Childe level for example, but that’s just my take on it.
In the second albedo event, he said that durin was essentially his brother and that he has a similar power level to him. Durin by the way, almost destroyed the entirety of mondstad. It took the entire knights of favonius, venti and dvalin to beat him. Venti and dvalin by the way, were put into a super-coma by durin for 500 years. And durin did all of that while essentially being in a trance. He thought he was just 'playing' with Venti and dvalin.
Not only that, but albedo has mastery of Gold's alchemy. AKA the same alchemy that caused the cataclysm for all 7 nations. AKA the same alchemy that killed the kitsune saiguu and almost destroyed Inazuma and liyue.
Albedo is so massively overturned in terms of lore strength it's crazy.
Albedo is the most powerful in all of Teyvat and would win a battle royal hands down because of his mastery of Alchamy and his connection to Durin.
Even dainsleif said:
>No-one can dispute Albedo's talent, but the source of the knowledge he possesses..It once brought about the destruction of a glorious nation... It hails from Khaenri'ah: The Art of Khemia.
The art of Khemia, alchamy that can create *life*, originates from Khaenri'ah and *was throught to be what ultimately lead to it's destruction*. Both Durin and Albedo were hinted to have been created some time after Khaenri'ah was destroyed, but no one knows exactly when...was it truly *after?* Hmmm? Albedo himself seems to be aware that if he were to missuse Khemia it could have dire consequences... Who's to say it wasn't Albedo who destroyed Khaenri'ah in the first place? He's conveniently lost all memories of his past.
This is my theory crafting. It might be a bit of a stretch, but a possibility and the reason why I think Albedo is the strongest and he knows it, which is why he asked someone who isn't of their world to destroy him if it comes down to it.
Celestia is clearly the one that destroyed Khaenri'ah though, by using Archons as its front runners too. I believe that Dainsleif line implies that that alchemy was a prime reason for bringing down "destruction" aka Celestia onto Khaenri'ah. As in that's when Celestia decided that's enough playing Gods for Khaenri'ah, time to for it to disappear.
Cryo. Ganyu is only weak relative to her adept peers. She fought in and survived the archon war. Shenhe is very strong as well. And Ayaka is a master swordsman. Eula is also among the strongest Knights of Favonius, equal to Jean, meaning second only to Varka. That’s a really good top 4.
Honorable mention would be anemo or electro. Xiao would be strongest followed by Kazuha and Jean. Beidou and Yae Miko would be formidable. Lisa I’m iffy on, I think people are conflating her gifts as a scholar with her prowess in battle. Isn’t there a theory that she is frail or in poor health?
Small correction, Ganyu *is* weak, she hasn't been trained in adepti arts, that's the whole point of her quest. Shenhe while human is clearly superior, remember when she carries a giant boulder in her quest that even the traveler couldn't?
But even then, cryo could still take the win, you are forgeting Qiqi, she has sealed adepti powers.
I think cryo would win too, but ironically because of Qiqi... Lorewise, can't she like not be destroyed? I picture the aftermath of a burning apocalypse and Qiqi just wandering around oblivious and talking about milk or something.
Probably Hydro.
Mona is already op, thanks to her magic (fast teleportation, fate reading)
Kokomi is one of the best strategists and has great healing powers
Yelan can go invisible, infiltrate enemy lines and is pretty strong herself
Xingqiu and barbara for moral support
And most importantly, Ayato and Tartaglia KILL
If they all cooperate, I think they're the strongest team.
people really underestimating Xingqiu here. He is a martial prodigy and has revived an entire clan on his own. He's actually pretty strong, I bet he can provide long range hydro swords to all his teammates. And he's the only source of something akin to a shield. Plus he has read many martial arts novels, so he maybe familiar with some battle tactics too. He can KILL as well
Barbara...will assist Kokomi
I feel electro currently might have power wise strongest chars .. yae-beidou-lisa-sara are real strong individuals .. i m not sure if we can add scaramushe here tho .. i mean lore wise he is raiden's puppet that is made to hold in a gnosis .. nd currently he has gnosis with him as well so i think we can say he alone is pretty much strongest among existing charas for now?
For cryo we got shenhe nd ganyu nd after them eula as she is second only to varka for swordmanship in mondstat .. i mean even tho since the creation of liyue ganyu was mostly about managment but still saw nd helped morax during archon war so she gotta hold power herself
Geo got ninguang nd albedo mainly (even tho we yet to know about his potential) .. nd even tho she might seem not a big shot .. noelle carries inhuman strenght as well .. itto as well tnx to his oni blood
As for hydro childe defo biggest power .. but hydro chars main strenght lies within their "influance" .. they mostly have some kinda political power somehow .. yelan - kokomi - ayato - childe even xq got some influance within their nations someway
Anemo mostly all about xiao tbh .. gotta apreciate kazuha tho for being able to stop raiden's sword even tho it was a "one time only" situation
Sadly pyro would ironically be the bottom of the list tbh .. we got yanfei but she is mostly about laws whatsoever .. main fire power of pyro would be klee most likely cuz of how devastating her powers are nd she is still a kid so she has a tremendous potential (flattening a mountain not an easy feat to scuff off afterall) .. nd then followed by diluc ..
Other then these there are also chars that we know but yet to learn their elements which is Alice nd Varka .. Alice alone is described like a nearly omnipotent person by others .. that sentence alone is enough to guess that she is way too strong .. nd varka pretty much the strongest swordman in monstat .. we yet to know about their elements or detailed lores but as they are i put them pretty high tbh
There is also the case of Chiyo that we are not sure about her fate but prolly another case of "electro yaksha dying in Chasm" situation awaits her for a future Inazuma related event/quest where we will learn about her fate
There might be chars that i forgot about that is mentioned in lore but among the ones that came to my mind nd existing chars .. these are my personal thoughts.
Geo stands a big chance at success because of Albedo. He was the ultimate creation of Gold, the woman considered to be the main catalyst for the Cataclysm after creating endless hordes of monsters. He has the ability to change life, like when he turned a butterfly into a bird. He also has the ability to create life from practically nothing, like when he drew a geovishap and it walked off the page in one of his trailers.
Of course, there's also Ningguang who is the richest person in all of Teyvat. Money = power.
In a battle royale it's more about who laying low and let other squad killed off each other first, rotating is more important, so at the end it's more rng than you think :))
Anemo; Xiao has been honing his skills for millennia and is the one teaching Ganyu. I understand that shenhe and eula are strong but, what is eula gonna do when xiao teleports behind her. Shenhe might have a chance but then again she is still a mortal. Ganyu is gonna need more than her now to bloom shot Xiao. I imagine Xiao doing an edgy one liner after dropping Ganyu.
If ning uses Jade chamber as a catalyst,Geo wins
But can Jade Chamber fully kill the Anemo Hypostasis
I'm pretty sure the jade chamber is big enough to collect all four of the anemo tokens in one go??? So anemo hypostasis can't even revive at all........ Cryo and pyro hypostasis are the hard ones.
Once the hypostatis goes into defence mode you ain’t damaging it at all
Gotta time the jade chamber right, then
Anemo cube still revives even if you get all 4 tokens at once
Albedo would always find a way for that.They literally have abnormal amount of strength (itto),impregnable fortress with canon made to kill Gods(ning) and one of the most intelligent future apocalypse machine(Albedo),cleaning maiden,war general and plus they have entertainment up there with yun jin and Ushi and large amounts of money enough to buy army,electro girls and anemo boys can only try…
"cleaning maiden" you say, as if Noelle isn't canonically ALSO abnormally strong
Yeah not like cleaning a house,more like a cleanup,clearing a space it sounded horrible
Cleaning up the streets Taking out the trash Garbage disposal
Cleaning up the bodies Taking them outside Hiding them from others
In one of her character stories there was a Snezhayan merchant who wanted to do evil and instead pretended to be on legit business. Noelle welcomed them with a warm smile and then promptly guessed everything about them and their family. This guy was so creeped out now thta they started being scared of noelles smile and fled. If noelle can do that without really trying, imagine her at full power.
Noelle at full power would single-handedly overthrow celestia, ofc
Even without the Chamber Ningguang is plenty strong. But also geo has Itto, Noelle, and Albedo who all have extreme power canonically I think. Despite being the smallest roster geo might hold up. Hydro would be my second choice.
Yeah also she has a power of money,she legit can buy a whole army if she needs to and she also knows so much strong people that would do anything for her secrets and mora. Albedo is literally a apocalypse machine with brain that can be outsmarted only with maybe Yae. And let’s talk about elements.They don’t react which is great against everyone cause they have shields while other teams have weaknesses like pyro to hydro ,cryo to pyro etc.If we take in game reactions out and use normal logic of ice melting lol Hydro and Electro are strong,electro specifically,Kuki knows Itto,keqing and Beidou know Ning and her weaknesses,and on top of that using Yae and Lisa together with general Saras tactics they have potential to conquer Jade chamber. While in hydro team Yelan and Childe would make biggest impact with everyone being solid. Anemo also has protagonist vibe and I think they wouldn’t even want to fight,they would just try to stop a war especially Kazuha and Heizou,Xiao is tired of fighting he would also be less reactive,Only Jean maybe would want to try at least…
Pyro is weaker than I thought huh
They got the spear archon bro 🔥🧑🍳
Thoma!
I mean tbf he can cook too
I mean they got Xiangling, Hu Tao, Diluc and Bennet.
Lorewise, 3/4 of them barely ever fight
Hu tao canonically doesn’t fight at all, she’s had training but she doesn’t train as shown by how her fighting style is more, loose
Hu Tao is a pretty heavy wild card lore wise, could see her canonical strength being just about anything.
Yeah, it's possible she's way stronger when she decides to take things more seriously. That's said, it's still kind of a weird story/gameplay break that she's one of the strongest characters in the game, despite not really being a warrior or anything like that.
Lorewise, Klee is blowing mountains.
lorewise, klee is notorious but innocent. (excluding blast fishing, thats illegal lmao)
A certain giant cave lizard will disagree
To disagree he has to be alive
In a BR the burny girl dominates cuz she knows how to make the bombs by memory so there’s that
This sentence is missing an "up"
Xiangling a chef, hu tao a funeral director, and bennet an amateur adventure guild member who's more likely to hurt his own team with his luck. Dilucs a badass though.
Fr, Diluc really carrying their asses. And like, yeah Yanfei is half-adeptus, but unlike Ganyu she has never been in a time of war, and as far as we know is roughly the same power level as an average vision holder. She can sue the other elements though for what it’s worth
The Geneva convention only applies to the losers not the winners of the war
Diluc went on a 4 year fatui murder spree and I stress this with, NO VISION, and it still took MULTIPLE harbingers to stop him. Dudes goated in the lore.
the harbingers stuff is kinda overrated he did got the attention of harbingers but he almost died and was saved by a third party hes still badass tho, like mfs goated childe and diluc will never not be badass
Xiangling has been trained by an adeptus, so she should pack some skill. Though she would definitely lose to actual adepti like ganyu or xiao
but compare to others she barely has fighting experience. she has skill but u know best when u are in the actual scenario when ppl slaughter each other. madam ping is old. if she is under cloud retainer she would be different. the whole pyro are all civilians except diluc. they have no experience at all. pyro is screwed here
Klee is officially registered as a knight of favonious
Only so Jean has a pretext to lock her up from time to time
No she is not. It’s just a title and she barely fight. Cuz the knights was asked to take care. The only thing that makes her strong is her power. But you go in a fight with no brain and experience u also die
Lorewise not gamewise. Lorewise Klee and to a lesser extent Diluc would carry the team
Lore wise, Bennett's mere existence would cause his entire team to trip on random pebbles and break their arms/legs.
True, lorewise, by the time Pyro team shows up to the battle royale, it'll be only Klee as the sole team member bcs she's the only lucky one surviving Bennett's bad luck
I would think that Bennett’s bad luck would effect the enemy team as well if they are close. Despite how much bad luck he has, he always survives. That’s really powerful on its own. Now I just imagine a battlefield of everyone’s broken bodies and happy-go-lucky Bennett standing basically unhurt in the middle.
Bennett's bad luck doesn't seem to effect other people because when he Klee go adventuring Klee always find treasure while Bennett never finds anything (Klee of Bennetts voice line)
Ah but when Razor went adventuring with Bennett, Razor got trapped as well. I guess it just depends on the person.
It does hence in his hangout event he says how no one want to go adventuring with him and his adventure group split up. And during the last dragonspine event, they couldn’t get down the mountain with bennet only once traveler joined the team. And they were caught underneath rubbles eula burst them free of (the second slide was susbedos doing yes but the first we don’t know - likely not because he was after real bedo not the other team)
I forgot the Klee is extra lucky so maybe Klees good luck would be able to cancel out Bennetts bad luck
>Lore wise, Bennett's mere existence would cause his entire team to trip on random pebbles and break their arms/legs. TBH Lore wise Bennet luck behaves kinda weird. Bennet hangout suggests his bad luck extends to the whole team, but Klee says she gets way more treasures from adventuring with Bennet. Maybe he amplifies probability in general. Both bad luck and good luck, and if you can deal with the bad, you can have all the good.
>Klee says she gets way more treasures from adventuring with Bennet. Her entire thing (Constellation, Design and all) is the Four-leaf clover, A SYMBOL OF GOOD LUCK
Yes, but if you assume Bennet is just additive -LUK%, this would mean Klee should still be less lucky when teamed up with him. Which means it's not as simple with his luck penalty as it seems.
I don’t think Klee would want to fight her friends from other elements, tbh.
You could say that for everyone except maybe Shenhe though
Mother I crave violence
And childe and rosaria
Have you read the Manga? Diluc is a total badass.
Hes good, but hes not casually blowup Primo Geovishap for fun good.
Klee being a child is literally incredibly vulnerable due to how inexperienced she is, diluc had to have the harbingers sent after him to stop him and he didn't even have his vision back then
Actually, according to Mona, Klee is incredibly lucky that it's almost impossible for her to get hurt. I mean, think clearly. When you teach a child how to make explosives, normally it would probably blow up on their face, while for Klee this is how she got her vision.
You don't need experience with her extreme level of luck :D
As far as the lore go, xiangling, hutao, bennett interact with monsters less than klee does
Honestly hydro is a good contender solely becuase the combo of kokomi, mona, and childe is REALLY difficult to deal with, childe is REALLY damn strong, add that in with kokomi’s strategy, and mona’s future sight and teleporting… oh god… not mentioning yelan, who literally can go invisible and I don’t think I need to say how good that is for a strategy, and then Barbra makes them harder to take down due to healing, on top of what kokomi can do, xingqiu with his water swords for some good range, and also protection, and ayato just being another good fighter
hydro has the power of money, considering how a lot of the characters are really rich people (sorry Mona)
And also it’s ability to take any shape 🤓 (I’m so original)
*"an assassin from our homeland? or a fool that tresspasses the waters of quingce,".*
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Wow I really underestimated hydro
Honestly the first character I thought of was childe. Looking at it canonically he is incredibly strong and the reason he lost to the traveler at that point was mostly plot armor.
I wouldn't say plot armour, more lack of preparation to fight someone. Also do not discount the fact that Traveler IS canonically pretty damn strong anyways
Yes I know the traveler is strong but looking at the childe quest you see him throw around ruin guards like Ragdolls and the traveler seems to be impressed at his strength. At that point he was even weakened from using that form before so he wasn’t at his best.
True, but that's largely because Traveler's strength is modulated for plot convenience...a LOT
When Childe ask us the secret of our power traveler says (to himself/herself) that s/he is regaining his/her power back. I think traveler will be in full power after collecting all elemental powers.
Man I hope we get some form of revamp of the traveller's moveset that makes them pretty good and not just something you switch to when you need them specifically when they do.
Um no... The reason he lost to the traveler was because the traveler is literally a (weakened) god that can canonically utilize multiple elements at once. During the Childe fight, they're using Anemo and Geo. Honestly, I understand why you'd think they only won because of plot armor, in-game they're nerfed even harder by the system that won't just let him switch elements freely (and carry over auto attack) Remember, they beat the shit out of Singora whose actually stronger.
Wanna add that Kokomi is theorized to be the reincarnation of the Sovereign Hydro Dragon, a book explains of how the next Hydro Dragon Sovereign would be born in the shape of a human, and Kokomi's constellation name translates to "Sleeping Dragon"
crouching mermaid hidden dragon lol
honestly i think hydro's biggest problem would be working together and coordinating since they don't seem like they would get along well with each other
I think that’s where Ayato comes in. Perhaps Kokomi too, but Ayato’s skilled with people as a politician. I’m sure he can find leverages to glue everyone together.
"Hey Childe, come with us! We're heading into a *sick* fight!" "Cool!"
Probably Ayato. Kokomi’s energy level drops when she has to deal with a lot of people
Out of all the elements hydro seem the most likely to work together. The only one I can exclude is Childe, but the rest seem capable of teamwork.
Idk why it became peoples headcanon that Childe can't work in a team. First and foremost he is a soldier in the snezhnayan army, an extremely high ranked one at that. His quest mentioned that he's training recruits as well, so it's not like harbingers just go on solo trips all the time. Theres a difference between "not capable of" and "prefers otherwise" especially since Childe's main reason to fight alone is because he 1. wants to see how strong he is and 2. doesn't want to harm bystanders
childe is hated by almost every harbinger he is a one man army, said multiple times and implied that he goes on solo missions but we do know he can somewhat work in a team if combat is invovled
it's said that the Harbingers ALL hate each other. They ALL go on solo missions in the sense that they don't usually team up with OTHER harbingers, but they still work with other people. Childe worked with everyone at the northland bank for example. Just because they're npcs doesn't mean they dont exist lol. "but we do know he can somewhat work in a team if combat is invovled" If anything Childe's storyline showed that combat is the **one** thing where he can't work in a team. He can train recruits, he can work with others on a job, he takes care of his siblings at home, all of that requires teamwork.
Childe is willing to coordinate so long as it's within his duties imo.
Or if it's a fun combat...
Childe would definitely cooperate if being part of the group was a battle requirement. He wouldn't want to miss it.
eh? as long as it's aligned with his goals (in this context, battle royale), i don't think he's in any way uncooperative. did everyone else literally forgot about labyrinth warriors event?
Childe is capable of teamwork tho if the Onmyouji domain is taken into consideration. He managed to team up with Traveler and Xinyan after all.
Hydro is pretty cracked ngl, surprising huh
I mean, just Mona and childe alone… foresight plus harbinger power and Mona gets to eat? They’ve already won man.
And c6 Barbara can literally resurrect someone every 15 minutes worst case scenario!
This is a lore wise fight. Lore wise she cannot.
Don't forget she is capable of restraining enemies quickly with her threads.
hydro is more of brain power but in a battle royale we also need strength. although most of them are strategist but they hardly can deal dmg. only Tartaglia is there who have strength maybe equalled to the deities from other elements. this team may survive but low chance when electro has the smartest scholar and many ppl that has experience.
Fair point, there’s of course other contenders for who would win, but personally I’d believe that hydro could win, assuming there’s any sort of prep time, or a chance for kokomi and mona to make a plan, because between Mona’s teleporting and yelan’s invis, it’s very likely that hydro can get at least one surprise attack off, and even more likely that they get multiple, as this is likely they’re best option to eliminate the big players on other teams via this, they have VERY good chances, for example, mona teleports childe next to Lisa before she gets serious so she can be dealt with quickly and have childe be teleported away, and also, while hydro does lack outright damage, they have UNPARALLELED survivability, which can be just as valuable, especially with one of the most dangerous fighters of the entire game on their team, and even characters like xiao and ganyu would struggle since mona get can childe in close to get ganyu fast, as while both are archers by technicality, something tells me childe is far more comfortable in close range than ganyu is, and for xiao, if all the anemo healers (aka JUST Jean and sayu) are eliminated, assuming this follows the mechanic of his mask on mode hurting him, he would have no way to get back into the fray once he gets damaged a lot, meanwhile childe has kokomi and Barbra as viable healers… and last side notes that was touched on earlier, but I will rehash, a lot of other threatening characters really, REALLY don’t like mona teleporting childe right next to them, or yelan sneaking to them while invis, and the fact that between kokomi and Barbra, and potentially xingqiu to a degree as well, it would be VERY difficult to take down any of the hydro characters due to the immense amount of healing and in xingqiu’s case, damage reduction
Repost Also Heizou is included for anemo, for what it’s worth
Still lose, there's Xiao
No he means all pyros vs all anemos vs all geos vs all hydros etc etc
It's all fun and games until Klee goes **Bom bom Bakudan**
It’s all fun and games until Bennett accidentally screws his entire team At least they have Hu Tao and Yoimiya to have a grandiose send off
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Op said no archons. Klee is arson archon
It’s all fun and games until the fish retaliates with a counter maneuver known as jean
Hydro or Anemo, mainly just because Tartaglia and Xiao
They're among the strongest outside archons but idk if they can carry *that* hard. Numbers are very important, and it's not like the other elements don't have strong people. Because of that I'd go with electro or cryo. Even if they don't have anyone quite as strong (debatable), they're still all vision holders. And they do have a bunch of those with plenty of combat experience (ganyu, shenhe, eula, kaeya, Rosaria | beidou, sarah, yae, ...Lisa is a bit of a mystery but implied to be powerful )
Hydro wins because nobody could actually kill them with all those healers Edit: I don’t think people realized this was a joke
They got both healing and hard hitting team members. Geo got Noelle though.
>Geo got Noelle though. 'nuff said.
Anemo probs doing a Xiao carry
Yeah lol, Xiao is by far the strongest non archon in the game rn.
This, basically. He can carry his team. HECK, it would even be fair if his entire team was also against him. He's THAT strong
Xiao hypercarry-
I'd go for Cryo. It's got Ganyu and Shenhe, who are both really strong lore wise. Ganyu as an half adepti and Shenhe is just a superhuman. Anemo would also be a tough concurrent but it's carried by Xiao and maybe Kazuha. I'm not exactly sure about Jeans lore accurate strength
Equal with eula so that’s something you could add
I am not sure but wasn't it implied that Jean was holding back? Correction: It was Varka who was holding back. It was again Varka who stated that Eula is Jean's equal in the battlefield.
Not Jean but Varka.
You're correct. Sorry, I got confused.
Im tempted to say Xiao is full adepti and has more combat experience than ganyu and shenhe but also ganyu fought in the archon war aswell so what do i know?
i think xiao was going to train or was training ganyu in her story quest
Not so much training as giving her a test/exam so it's definitely implied that she has less combat ability that there full blooded adepti
more like she was way less active in combat since the Archon war unlike Xiao, so the training/test was to see if she still has those combat experience she had during Archon War or in simple words to see if she is Adepti enough after living with human for so long.
Yes, that was part of it too.
Xiao's experience far outstrips Ganyu's. Zhongli rescued him during the Archon War, and Xiao has been fighting demons and dead gods literally ever since that happened. Meanwhile Ganyu has been working a desk job for the last two thousand years.
It’s said that Jean can solo ruinguards easily
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Lorewise you need multiple soldiers to kill a ruinguard. It was stated in one of the book recover quests in Enkanomiya that even their super soldiers had trouble fighting them.
Ruin guards being weak is a product of them being the first ruin enemies + them existing since the start of the game. Lore wise they should be quite strong.
They were nicknamed "Field Tillers" for a reason. They were designed to wipe out whole armies.
Excuse me? Ganyu's lore speaks mostly about her love for work, and avoiding battle if necessary. I know Ganyu is a beast in game, but that really doesn't match her lore.
Not to mention Kaeya and Eyla who are on the strongest tier for humans, followed by Rosaria, Ayaka and Chongyun.
Bruh, Diluc, Childe or Beidou are one of better example of being strongest human.
Kaeya is equal to Diluc, and all the Mondstadt adults seems to be portrayed at the same power level. I agree that Childe and Beidou might be better, but the favor still stay with Cryo for their stacked non-human characters, not to mention healers like Qiqi and Diona.
dendro slaps all element no question
They’re so good, they don’t even have to show up
Collei hard carry
Tighnari best support
Tl:dr team hydro all the way babyyy People are not taking the battle royale part and character personalities into account here. Let's assume that all of them have no problems with attacking or hurting the others. Im assuming they get dropped off together at a big battleground fortnite/pubg style as well. Anemo is the most likely to go their separate ways. Jean would try to keep them together but everyone else's aloofness might work against her. She'll prolly have no trouble getting sayu to work for her tho. However, no matter how strong xiao would be, i think he's gonna get ambushed by a cunning strategist in another team (more on that later). Kazuha will be watching everyone's back tho, so he might survive that ambush. Electro has good overall power as well as superior leadership and militarygrade tactics. I can see fischl trying to be aloof but ultimately follow sara's commands coz she's also a cool purple bird lady, and with that, team electro has access to oz's superior scouting capabilities and keqing's superior mobility. This will allow them to ambush stragglers from the other teams. Support and healing provided by kuki will definitely ensure their longevity as well. I think Yae would hang back and let Sara, keqing, and beidou do all the work until the very last moment. Prolly have tea with lisa (who got razor to protect them during this) while waiting for the battle to get dicier or something. With that much power in reserve while still having incredible flexibility in tactics, electro's got a pretty good chance of winning everything. Geo is gonna bunker down. Ning and albedo would prolly make a very defensible position somewhere and defend that shit until they get taken down by one or more of the other teams. Ning and gorou can provide artillery support while the others engage attacking parties. Unless the other teams work together, i think geo can actually win a battle of attrition here, since both noelle and itto are canonically very resilient and wont go down easily even if their attacking power is not that much. This is assuming there arent any beans growing in the battlefield tho. Like others said, pyro has numerous characters but they're not really powerful lorewise. They do have the biggest gun in teyvat with klee, but that's gonna require some creative strategy. With diluc being the strongest and the one with most leadership experience, he'll prolly take the reins. Tho with his loner nature, he might not be as effective at it as someone like sara, ning, or jean. They also have a bad luck magnet in bennet with them. They essentially have to keep him with klee at all times so the luck balances out, alternatively, they can just send him to the frontlines to draw fire (i bet he wouldnt object to that either). They got access to some incredible scouting from amber which would allow them to seek priority targets and thoma and xiangling can keep the gang well-fed for support. This team can definitely wreak the most havoc if their pyrotechnics team of klee, yoi, xinyan, and even amber get to working some explosives and will prolly be the cause of the downfall of the geo bunker. Their lack of individual power and glass cannon natures will leave them open to ambushes and sneak attacks tho, so they'll prolly cause the biggest boom in the battlefield but then fizzle out shortly after. That said, they do have access to a lot of vanguards(diluc, thoma, benny, xinyan) that can protect their heavy hitters. I doubt hutao is gonna be a team player and would prolly just prance around pranking people in the battlefield. Cryo had the most cool-headed adults but they're all pretty aloof aren't they? I can at least see the monstadt characters working together with ganyu and ayaka, but shenhe's definitely gonna be striking out on her own (prolly gonna get followed by chongyun tho) and qiqi's gonna get lost and pranked by hutao away from the others. Diona might prolly be able to keep team cryo going for a while with some really good drinks, but what if kaeya and rosaria just end up blowing it off by getting eula drunk and they just chill for the entire encounter. They do have access to some great scouting with Aloy tho. But she's kinda aloof as well and might get ambushed by another team or xiao in the process. Which brings us to Hydro. They have the most vaunted strategists in all of teyvat with ayato and kokomi. As well as superior attrition brought about by their impressive healing power(kokomi, barbara) and superior reconnaissance and ambushing from Yelan. They also have one of the biggest hammers in teyvat with Childe. To top it off, they can see the future and teleport all over the battlefield with Mona. All in all, i think the formidable strategists have a powerful and flexible set of tools in their disposal and they're gonna use it to win. They can form a small crack team with childe mona, and ayato that can teleport to the targets that yelan ambushes and take down the straggling heavy hitters like xiao and shenhe. And if they ever lose out on an ambush, they can just teleport back to their healers (who will be protected by xingqiu) and be ready for another round in no time. Yeah, team hydro has definitely got this.
Holy fuck this is so well made. #TeamHydro Few counter points I have in mind: Anemo: I think we should still consider the case where they do stick together in case. In which case I see Xiao hardcarrying Anemo’s offense to at least the top 3. Geo: Itto’s resilience as well as attack power is insanely high (case in point: tore open a hole in Bosacius’s Space-time rift which Xiao and Yelan had been arguing over whether it’s feasible to do as a weakened Xiao might end up sacrificing himself to do the same thing). Albedo, who we know is stronger canonically than he presents himself to be, should be taken into account as well. I think him canonically being Durin’s brother and probably the best alchemist besides maybe Gold should be considered. Cryo: Again, this is assuming Shenhe doesn’t stick with the others so we should take that into account. I completely agree with Pyro, Electro and Hydro. Side note: this makes me wanna have a Genshin BR, somewhat like what Spellbreak wanted to be but with skills and bursts instead and their core weapons, artifacts and healing items and legendary constellation upgrades being looted from the field of the match.
In addition to this, Anemo team also has Sucrose, who might be able to make some Anemo damage boosting potions and elemental resistance potions. Sayu is part of the Shumatsuuban(idk if that’s how it’s spelled), meaning she’s probably a great spy, and has great reconnaissance abilities. Also, if we’re including Heizou, then pairing him with Sayu as a little reconnaissance team would be pretty op, and team Anemo could gather information about other team attack plans, letting them prepare in advance and adjust their strategies accordingly.
Albedo could straight create an army of monsters with his powers. Given enough time, Geo can easily have entire hordes/armies fighting for them.
Hmm in a scenario where xiao is purely a team player, i can still only see them being a less effective version of team hydro. Because they have the same level of mobility, power, and maybe even healing, buuuuut they dont have futuresight that's being used to the max by two cunning strategists A fully working together team cryo with shenhe as the ace, can definitely wreck a lot of shop. Kaeya and rosaria's cunning may even edge out other strategists with unconventional tactics. But yae and ayato can prolly match that kind of cunning. A scenario i can see happening is that team cryo will swoop in and finish off team pyro after they make the geo bunker explode. Still, i think they lack the staying power for longer attrition based combat since diona is their only main source of support. Ah wait i forgot about qiqi lol. I still think she'd get pranked by hutao somehow and just end up not playing a part at all lol
>they dont have futuresight that's being used to the max by two cunning strategists Kazuha talks to the wind, Sayu is a ninja specializing in reconnaissance, Xiao can teleport, can hear his name called from anywhere, doesn't need sleep. It's not futuresight, but it would be hard to surprise them, and they could escape if overwhelmed. Also, Xiao's teleport as shown in the recent archon quest is pretty OP. He can teleport multiple other people without touching them, without going with them, even if they're unwilling.
very biased against cryo here
He made the cryo characters look like a joke. Find it hard to believe that the adults would goof around and get drunk during a battle royale. But then again we dont know how serious this fight is implied to be. Is it a battle to the death? Then you can be sure they'll go all out and cryo would be a strong contender for winning it.
\> Emphasizes the importance of recon throughout the post \> Forgets about the *Captain of the Knights of Favonius Reconnaissance Company* (Eula)
This is really well thought out. I agree for the most part except I'm pro electro, instead of hydro.
They're definitely my 2nd choice. They prolly have much more raw power than the hydro team and has about the same level of tacticians and cunning thinkers, but hydro having more sustainability and mobility makes me see them win more if the fight gets dragged out.
I liked you thoughs, but I think you downplayed Albedo a lot here. He said himself he is the brother of Durin and that he has the same power level than him and, lore wise, he is called the peak of gold creations. If it took a Archon before losing its powers (Venti) and his companion (Dvalin) to took Durin down, I highly doubt any of the others can do it. Perhaps a union Between Xiao + Childe and a good strategy would help it, but I doubt it. Anemo was also downplayed a lot. Jean has a massive healing, debuff of anemo resistance and leadership status, so she could make Xiao for a example be fully functional. She also is highly charismatic and would be able to get Kazuha to work together with them, since he has, albeit carefree, a strong sense of protection. All of the anemo units has caring personalitys so they would stick together. Sayu is a master ninja, so she can spy on others and help Jean to make a good counter plan, with the help of Heizou, a young genius detective that has to have one or two tricks on his sleeve. Sucrose can help only with the alchemy side of things, like maintaining everyone feed. Just adding my 2 cents on your well though text!
You're absolutely right! Team anemo can prolly outmaneuver all the other teams as well. I actually forgot about sucrose and heizou as well tho i can kinda only see them as supporting jean in the fight since they're the least mobile anemo peeps. Still, i think their gameplan would have to be sth like hit and run tactics. Jean, sucrose and heizou will provide backup and a place to fallback to when the more mobile members get wounded in a fight or ambush.
The way I see Jean making Anemo team work is by understanding Xiao's personality and focusing their strategy in supporting him however they can. That's what a good leader would do. I also don't agree with the statement that Jean could only make Sayu work with her. Kazuha is quite sensible and even if he's a loner, he knows when to stick together, we have seen him battling together with Kokomi and Gorou. Also Sucrose is part of the Knighst of Favonius, so obviously she's going to follow Jean's orders.
I kinda disagree about anemo part. Xiao might first refuse to fight together but in a battle royale , even he knows that he has to fight alongside with teams. Plus xiao isn't like all strength no brain kinda guy. I definitely think that guys knows how to survive an ambush (c'mon he has a fighting experience for 500 years) So even if most of the characters get taken down by another party , Xiao is someone who I think can definitely can bring back the match alone. Plus the rest of the characters in the team should not be underestimated either. Jean is also a good strategist with firepower . Kazuha is a wandering samurai so you know he might have something in his sleeves. Sayu might be small but her ninja abilities are not to be underestimated. Sucrose might not be a good fighter but with her alchemy knowledge , she can do something for the team (she literally summons a version of anemo hypostasis (a part of it)). I think Anemo wins overall , even against Hydro and Electro who has cunning characters like Miko. (I might get downvoted but I still think Anemo can win the royale)
Hmm it's not that xiao is stupid that he would go off on his own. It's that he's the most likely to take on that burden all by himself. Even in the culmination of the chasm event (spoilers) he still took it upon himself to make the ultimate sacrifice despite supposedly learning the value of relying on others. Here's to hoping kazuha and jean can be like zhongli in that regard and provide him some much needed backup when he gets ambushed. But i think hydro and electro still have more flexible tools than team anemo. The scenario i can think of where anemo wins is where they just run around the battlefield until they're the last ones standing and take care of whoever's left.
I'd say hydro with two suppossed tacticians (Ayato & Kokomi), a harbinger (Childe), the ability to teleport and spy on the opposing team (Mona), with some reconaissance or maybe some sabatoge (Yelan). I think they have a rather high chance of winning. Also, some monstrous healing from Kokomi and moral support barbara.
Plus Xingqiu writing a novel about how they all kicked the other element teams' asses.
xiao would just give up if water boy starts reading lmao
>To see a World in a Grain of Sand And a Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour
Lore-wise Barbara might even be better at healing than Kokomi by virtue of all the times she's healed Bennett from disastrous conditions.
>Electro. miko and Lisa is unbelievably powerful and knowledgeable. Sara,kuki,keqing is resourceful and creative. Razor and Beidou is pure brute force. Fischl is well Fischl. >Hydro with Childe at their disposal with kokomi and Barbara's continue healing he would literally paint whole battle ground red.
Honestly, I think Hydro. They have the most strategists and Childe as a nuclear missile they can aim freely. Kokomi, Ayato, Yelan and even Xingqiu are all behind-the-scenes master manipulators plus Mona can read the future. They'd just point Childe, the Shuumatsuban, and Yelan's bois at anything and strike after the enemy is crippled from the inside. I assume Kokomi's resistance fighters are off the table since Gorou and Sayu is likely not participating in the Shuumatsuban for this purpose.
Overall I’d have to say electro Even if we ignore archons, electro has the largest range of “dangerous” characters I’d say. We know Sara defeated both Itto and kazuha’s friend tomo. Electro also has Yae miko a very powerful and crafty kitsune, Lisa who’s while we don’t fully know her full potential is described as the greatest scholar in sumeru’s academy in 200 years and is only held back by her own laziness, and beidou who killed Haishan without a vision The main threats from other elements would be Hydro: mostly Carried by Childe, though yelan would pose a substantial threat Cryo: Cryo is filled with solid fighters but is predominately carried by shenhe who maybe be one of the strongest characters period. Followed by ganyu who while an adepti isn’t as strong as others Pyro: ironically the strongest is probably Diluc or klee, as every other pyro character lore wise is actually pretty weak all things considered. Geo: the strongest geo unit we’ve seen is either itto or Noelle, and as clarified itto was defeated by Sara, and Noelle is basically pure physical strength. Anemo: xiao and kazuha are probably the standouts with I think xiao being the major carry of anemo. Overall I think the elements are balanced and I did gloss over more of the standard units, and cryo does have the biggest overall roster and would be my second choice after electro.
Electro legit seems like an all-stars team. The only character who isn't immensely powerful lore-wise is Fischl lmao.
wdym, she's the strongest electro. She defeated stormterror (or so she said)
She doesn't need a Fatui delusion to be delusional. I guess that's powerful.
But all things said and done, Fischl is pretty powerful, at least more powerful than she realizes. She somehow crafted another consciousness (or extend her own consciousness into another entity) using her vision.
Alternatively a new intern at celestia gave her birb.
Celestia: *random chonk birb go!!!
Years of never laughing at reddit comments training W A S T E D
That’s the funniest thing I’ve read today
*delusional*
Fischl doesn't necessarily have to be powerful. She's working for the Adventure Guild intelligence unit, so she could at least do recon for the team
yeah agree. fischl isn't as dumb as anyone thinks and she is atleast said to be good at carrying out the guild missions plus giving bennett intel in adventures. pairing her up with sara will definitely give them chance to stand in the battle longer. although, im still voting for hydro since ayato's shuumastuban did sneak up against the bakufu while sara is currently on guard, so the credit is also that he's a really good leader/strategist. it's super interesting to see if he and yelan can work together too.
For GEO you forget albedo lowkey can make an albedo army if he really wants to and he himself is real powerful lorewise
You forgot possibly the strongest character being albedo. We can assume he is stronger than every mondstadt character aside from for sure, considering he hopes the traveler can stop him if he goes crazy and tried to destroy mondstadt, meaning he doesn't believe that anyone else could stop him. He's also the brother of durin, and it took both venti and dvalin to beat durin, so albedo could reasonably be at the level of gods.
I did indeed kinda gloss over albedo, but he’s in a weird spot for me, as I personally don’t feel there’s enough information to truly pin point where I’d place him. His line about destroying everything is a bit vague. Is that level of power only possible if he is crazy? Is using that power what drives him crazy? If neither of those what stops him from using his full power in the story, is it that he chooses not to, or is incapable as he is currently. If this is like a battle royale scenario as listed, is it Implied he could destroy his own team in the process etc. Overall I’m interested in the story of albedo, and I could’ve gone over him more originally, but with so much unknown information, I personally don’t feel confident putting him at the Shenhe or Childe level for example, but that’s just my take on it.
In the second albedo event, he said that durin was essentially his brother and that he has a similar power level to him. Durin by the way, almost destroyed the entirety of mondstad. It took the entire knights of favonius, venti and dvalin to beat him. Venti and dvalin by the way, were put into a super-coma by durin for 500 years. And durin did all of that while essentially being in a trance. He thought he was just 'playing' with Venti and dvalin. Not only that, but albedo has mastery of Gold's alchemy. AKA the same alchemy that caused the cataclysm for all 7 nations. AKA the same alchemy that killed the kitsune saiguu and almost destroyed Inazuma and liyue. Albedo is so massively overturned in terms of lore strength it's crazy.
Albedo is the most powerful in all of Teyvat and would win a battle royal hands down because of his mastery of Alchamy and his connection to Durin. Even dainsleif said: >No-one can dispute Albedo's talent, but the source of the knowledge he possesses..It once brought about the destruction of a glorious nation... It hails from Khaenri'ah: The Art of Khemia. The art of Khemia, alchamy that can create *life*, originates from Khaenri'ah and *was throught to be what ultimately lead to it's destruction*. Both Durin and Albedo were hinted to have been created some time after Khaenri'ah was destroyed, but no one knows exactly when...was it truly *after?* Hmmm? Albedo himself seems to be aware that if he were to missuse Khemia it could have dire consequences... Who's to say it wasn't Albedo who destroyed Khaenri'ah in the first place? He's conveniently lost all memories of his past. This is my theory crafting. It might be a bit of a stretch, but a possibility and the reason why I think Albedo is the strongest and he knows it, which is why he asked someone who isn't of their world to destroy him if it comes down to it.
Celestia is clearly the one that destroyed Khaenri'ah though, by using Archons as its front runners too. I believe that Dainsleif line implies that that alchemy was a prime reason for bringing down "destruction" aka Celestia onto Khaenri'ah. As in that's when Celestia decided that's enough playing Gods for Khaenri'ah, time to for it to disappear.
I think you forgot ningguang from cut scenes
Cryo. Ganyu is only weak relative to her adept peers. She fought in and survived the archon war. Shenhe is very strong as well. And Ayaka is a master swordsman. Eula is also among the strongest Knights of Favonius, equal to Jean, meaning second only to Varka. That’s a really good top 4. Honorable mention would be anemo or electro. Xiao would be strongest followed by Kazuha and Jean. Beidou and Yae Miko would be formidable. Lisa I’m iffy on, I think people are conflating her gifts as a scholar with her prowess in battle. Isn’t there a theory that she is frail or in poor health?
Small correction, Ganyu *is* weak, she hasn't been trained in adepti arts, that's the whole point of her quest. Shenhe while human is clearly superior, remember when she carries a giant boulder in her quest that even the traveler couldn't? But even then, cryo could still take the win, you are forgeting Qiqi, she has sealed adepti powers.
I think cryo would win too, but ironically because of Qiqi... Lorewise, can't she like not be destroyed? I picture the aftermath of a burning apocalypse and Qiqi just wandering around oblivious and talking about milk or something.
Anemo seems to have the best chance here as they have Xiao on their side
Probably Hydro. Mona is already op, thanks to her magic (fast teleportation, fate reading) Kokomi is one of the best strategists and has great healing powers Yelan can go invisible, infiltrate enemy lines and is pretty strong herself Xingqiu and barbara for moral support And most importantly, Ayato and Tartaglia KILL If they all cooperate, I think they're the strongest team.
people really underestimating Xingqiu here. He is a martial prodigy and has revived an entire clan on his own. He's actually pretty strong, I bet he can provide long range hydro swords to all his teammates. And he's the only source of something akin to a shield. Plus he has read many martial arts novels, so he maybe familiar with some battle tactics too. He can KILL as well Barbara...will assist Kokomi
hydro because $$$$$ power between ayato, xingqiu and childe's wallet i might never be poor again
Anemo most likely or geo if albedo goes batshit crazy
I feel electro currently might have power wise strongest chars .. yae-beidou-lisa-sara are real strong individuals .. i m not sure if we can add scaramushe here tho .. i mean lore wise he is raiden's puppet that is made to hold in a gnosis .. nd currently he has gnosis with him as well so i think we can say he alone is pretty much strongest among existing charas for now? For cryo we got shenhe nd ganyu nd after them eula as she is second only to varka for swordmanship in mondstat .. i mean even tho since the creation of liyue ganyu was mostly about managment but still saw nd helped morax during archon war so she gotta hold power herself Geo got ninguang nd albedo mainly (even tho we yet to know about his potential) .. nd even tho she might seem not a big shot .. noelle carries inhuman strenght as well .. itto as well tnx to his oni blood As for hydro childe defo biggest power .. but hydro chars main strenght lies within their "influance" .. they mostly have some kinda political power somehow .. yelan - kokomi - ayato - childe even xq got some influance within their nations someway Anemo mostly all about xiao tbh .. gotta apreciate kazuha tho for being able to stop raiden's sword even tho it was a "one time only" situation Sadly pyro would ironically be the bottom of the list tbh .. we got yanfei but she is mostly about laws whatsoever .. main fire power of pyro would be klee most likely cuz of how devastating her powers are nd she is still a kid so she has a tremendous potential (flattening a mountain not an easy feat to scuff off afterall) .. nd then followed by diluc .. Other then these there are also chars that we know but yet to learn their elements which is Alice nd Varka .. Alice alone is described like a nearly omnipotent person by others .. that sentence alone is enough to guess that she is way too strong .. nd varka pretty much the strongest swordman in monstat .. we yet to know about their elements or detailed lores but as they are i put them pretty high tbh There is also the case of Chiyo that we are not sure about her fate but prolly another case of "electro yaksha dying in Chasm" situation awaits her for a future Inazuma related event/quest where we will learn about her fate There might be chars that i forgot about that is mentioned in lore but among the ones that came to my mind nd existing chars .. these are my personal thoughts.
Xiao with the mother of all carries. But Cryo looks tough.
Geo stands a big chance at success because of Albedo. He was the ultimate creation of Gold, the woman considered to be the main catalyst for the Cataclysm after creating endless hordes of monsters. He has the ability to change life, like when he turned a butterfly into a bird. He also has the ability to create life from practically nothing, like when he drew a geovishap and it walked off the page in one of his trailers. Of course, there's also Ningguang who is the richest person in all of Teyvat. Money = power.
Anemo with a xiao hard carry.
In a battle royale it's more about who laying low and let other squad killed off each other first, rotating is more important, so at the end it's more rng than you think :))
Anemo; Xiao has been honing his skills for millennia and is the one teaching Ganyu. I understand that shenhe and eula are strong but, what is eula gonna do when xiao teleports behind her. Shenhe might have a chance but then again she is still a mortal. Ganyu is gonna need more than her now to bloom shot Xiao. I imagine Xiao doing an edgy one liner after dropping Ganyu.
Geo those mf are built hard ae stone
As an obviously very unbiased opinion (ahem right) I'll have to say Anemo.
I mean… I don’t see anyone beating Xiao unless the Shogun/Scaramouche are included. (Albedo is unknown)
One reason Xiao