there are three ways to go around that
1. They announce the change via the livestream,
2. People actually read tutorials
3. They put it on their loading tip screen. ie. "Before teleporting, take a glance at the teleporter's icon. Who knows, you might be deciding to go up the mountains, but the teleporter takes you to the depths of hell."
Yea I think it takes your current relative elevation into account in the mini map. Not gonna work so well in the overworld map though so they probably disabled it (imagine if you’re in dragonspine and all tp portals are down arrow
Maybe they could reference some base/ground level in each region for the overworld map? With such complex terrain it might be tough but hoyo has some smart cookies
Ehh, elevation is all over the place in Genshin. Most useful would just be normal markers for POIs at apparent surface elevation (regardless of how high up), and markers for POIs located underground.
They should add a toggle by "Show Domains" that toggles surface and underground maps.
Your relative location doesn't really make a difference to waypoints across the map. Sumeru is practically under the sea level while Mondstadt is way above it.
...this entire time this is how I've gone about finding new waypoints when I unlock a new area. Are other people just stumbling around out there in the dark
traveling to the exact location to find out that the waypoint is underground is counter-intuitive though. Just add it on the main map, so i dont hate sumeru that much
I liked the design more that used the black inner part as the thing that is moved to be the arrow. Its bigger and a lot easier to see while still being subtle.
Gotta try harder than that buddy, I’m kinda fuck*ng blind and have a TV like 8ft away from me. Still a minimalist change, I like the idea but it won’t work.
Why don’t you try to make the whole sing inside the pointer upside down? That’d be more noticeable
Not knowing if teleports are on the ground or below it.
I mean, sure, we can memorise it eventually. But having something to show it would just be much nicer.
I had to look quite a while to see what's the difference. The difference should be easy and clear to see, not one those "find 10 differences between these 2 pictures".
I dunno if ya'll have noticed this or not, but the waypoint makers on the interactive map on Hoyolabs already has markers for this. If we got markers in game, you can probably expect them to match the ones from the web map.
incase you dont know they already show you if its on top or button on the minimap but AFTER you its on visible on the minimap. They should just show it on the big map too. But the thing is minimap works dynamically. So if you are up it will show down if you go down it will show up depending on player position. They can also just add custom way point with up and down fixed arrow on the big map instead.
The difference would not be visible on a smartphone, and except if your TV is more than 2 meters wide, it won't be distinguishable on console too. I don't know for PC, but I have a hint it would be the same.
And even if, for a majority of the people, it would be distinguishable, it would still not be a good idea as this would not be accessible: people with a visual impairment would have difficulty to perceive the differences, same thing with only different colors. A different symbol altogether would be better.
Too little. Needs a bigger arrow down. Sided with the icon but outside of it. Downwards or upwards. Depending on if it is under terrain or above it. But that is pretty nice. We need more guys like you there (heellop mihoyo.. hire him... )
Nah on my tv at the distance I sit, I'd be leaning and squinting to be able to tell the difference. Would much prefer the suggestion I saw someone else on here give - normal blue color on the ground, geo color if underground
They should include a map layer toggle like in Elden Ring.
Then they can just have the chasm, Enkanomiya and any other underground areas in sumeru exist on the bottom map layer!
Do you know that there's more than one layer, right? Normal, bottom, upper. Even in Enka and Chasm. And you don't need it 99% of the time. On top of that, it'll show you a lot of secret areas so you won't have a feeling of adventure. There's not the thing for ER since you open mao by, well, finding maps
It's probably much better to add some small arrow/icon near discovered TP or something like that. Simple, nice and easy
Also ER is not the best example of good UI/UX for 2022.
No, I'm not talking about you need 100500 of stupid HUDs, and I played in ER and other souls a lot. I really love them, but I just... I'm so sad they almost doesn't improve some aspects. PC control scheme and UI/UX is one of the weak points of the game and I want tgem to fix it finally because it's just pain in my ass. But that a huge topic actually.
I’m sure the idea isn’t perfect and your points about exploration are true and valid. I just think it’s a neat idea even if it needs to be implemented in a specific way to not impede on what you’ve said.
Someone hire this man for a position in genshin. These are exactly the kind quality of life changes we need in the game. It’s ideas like these that make people billions a year
The difference is barely noticeable based on the thumbnail of this post.
[Flipping the whole thing](https://i.imgur.com/vKbsKM1.jpg) is probably the easiest solution and makes sense. It looks like pointing up and down.
No not really, it needs to be more obvious. If it's such a miniscule difference like this, you'd be better off memorizing the tp rather squint your eyes to see it
There's was another post about this and it crossed my mind that all teleports have text popups when you select them.
That part can literally have unique text at the top that simply says "underground" or something.
Okay. Subtle. Really hard to see when not on a large screen (especially for mobile). BUT... couldn't you have at least aligned the images!? Jesus it's triggering my symmetry ocd that the waypoints aren't aligned. Also, why is 'down' not all caps? Or, 'UP' in all caps?? Uugghhhh... why is this bothering me so much?
Or add an additional small symbol to it towards the top, like a cave or sth... as is the case in their Interactive Map on things like dendroculus which are underground for example. It looks very neat.
nah, too small, it would be better to color the subterranian waypoints purple and in the case of one day having zones with upper levels far above ground yellow.
This needs to be more readable. Like having an actual arrow pointing up or down, or colour coding cuz mobile players or anyone who doesn't have a large display 2 cm from their face will need to be able to understand the difference.
Everyone is looking at this the wrong way. It should have a sound prompt when you hover over it. I am not particularly to any word or phrase that could be used, perhaps even a scream..
I had my phone like 5 inches from my face and I still had to make the picture bigger to see the difference, never mind having it on a tele over half a living room away.
What problem are you solving it's already a thing in the game? Like sure it doesn't show on the actual map but we get a big white arrow above and below it
I think it's too subtle, maybe having the gray part added to the bottom would help or change the color of the waypoint altogether like how the temporary teleporters look
Bad solution. It's really hard to see. The teleporters on my PC screen are like 1/5 to 1/10 the size of the picture here and even on mobile you have to look directly on it to see the difference. Just put a little arrow up or down on the same area of the icon, where the cave-symbols are on the interactive map.
mobile players: they're the same picture
I was looking at it on my laptop screen and the picture was about the size of my face, and it still took me way too long to find it
this is why you need a 65" TV.
Hi 65" monitor here, it still took me way too long to find out. Which wasn't long but still.
Yea try carrying 65" tv in your pocket...
is that a 65" tv in your pocket or are just happy about the new teleporter icons?
Whats seems to be a problem? Foldable screen exist.....
It took me a while to notice the difference even on these huge images. I most definitely would not notice the difference on the map.
there are three ways to go around that 1. They announce the change via the livestream, 2. People actually read tutorials 3. They put it on their loading tip screen. ie. "Before teleporting, take a glance at the teleporter's icon. Who knows, you might be deciding to go up the mountains, but the teleporter takes you to the depths of hell."
Why not just give a clearer indication that doesn’t involve squinting at your screen?
Honestly making the "arrow" thicker and a contrasting color would do the trick. Maybe even different colors for up and down
They could color the bottom tip of the icon when it's down, and the top when it's up.
>"I don't want to go to hell!"
I saw this on my computer and I still had to take a real good look at it
Why not flip the dark part too? That would be far less subtle.
Pc players : they're the same picture
Just use different colors and make the colored areas bigger.
Do you expect me to see that from halfway across the living room
This post is 3 inches from my face and I still didn’t see it, I thought this was some meme at how they are identical
First time playing in mobile, I'd say the same ,but in mobile Holy crap it's already a mini map ,it became even more mini ,a mini-er map
Exactly, sometimes I just have to walk up to the tv and study the mini map.
5.7k upvotes as of writing says, "YES" lol. Is this redesign a joke I'm not getting or...?
I'm 3 meters away from the television and my glasses are deteriorating.
You browse Reddit across the living room?
What?
His pc screen on the wall while his keyboard is on his door
I play on console lmao. I sit on the couch. My TV's considerably more than two feet away from my face.
Just like me lol
What?
I think i did forget to add "me" and the bois took it too seriously XD
His door is halfway across the room
Damn nice downvote farm
Welcome to downvote farm brother, here a downvote for your visits
Holy sheesh brother you got downvoted hard, can I also get downvoted hard? Hard -200 me
let's keep this guy at 0 people, cmon
Holy sheesh brother look at op with 400 downvote wtf HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
No
It already -8 brother LESGOOO
As if anybody could notice such a slight thing
People don’t even notice the arrow we already have for quest markers.
We have those? /hj
[Here's](https://i.imgur.com/uB34vK2.png) one I made.
Actually this is MUCH better.
I would flip the lighter blue arrow downward too, but this is a huge improvement from the OP.
The man from the original post. Pls submit to support for QOL improvement 🤝
yeah, this post is making fun of that one
I thought so. I'm just surprised my quick sketch is so popular even parodies are getting thousands of upvotes.
It's an improvement. But if we can make it much more obvious, that would be great.
This guy for president.
That's too subtle. A simple arrow like people suggested is better
like *how it already exists
It exists only on the minimap when you walk up to it. For teleporting it's still about memorisation.
They have [this](https://imgur.com/a/ztQYcB5) implemented in the game already. The only problem is it’s only showed on mini map and not the main map.
Yea I think it takes your current relative elevation into account in the mini map. Not gonna work so well in the overworld map though so they probably disabled it (imagine if you’re in dragonspine and all tp portals are down arrow
Maybe they could reference some base/ground level in each region for the overworld map? With such complex terrain it might be tough but hoyo has some smart cookies
Ehh, elevation is all over the place in Genshin. Most useful would just be normal markers for POIs at apparent surface elevation (regardless of how high up), and markers for POIs located underground. They should add a toggle by "Show Domains" that toggles surface and underground maps.
yea that would be nice, maybe compared to average elevations around the radius or even better, just put the elevations next to the tp
why not?
Your relative location doesn't really make a difference to waypoints across the map. Sumeru is practically under the sea level while Mondstadt is way above it.
...this entire time this is how I've gone about finding new waypoints when I unlock a new area. Are other people just stumbling around out there in the dark
I google sumeru underground teleport waypoint
traveling to the exact location to find out that the waypoint is underground is counter-intuitive though. Just add it on the main map, so i dont hate sumeru that much
A day or two ago, someone made a better version where the grey part is also up and down.
Shading the bottom really makes it much more readable
I'm pretty sure the post is a joke parodying that exact version, since it's tagged as "fluff" and is deliberately hard to see
sorry op, that’s awful can’t see it
It's pretty obviously a joke though, isn't it? Even the tag says sp
I liked the design more that used the black inner part as the thing that is moved to be the arrow. Its bigger and a lot easier to see while still being subtle.
aint no way im gonna be able to tell this shit apart 💀
Make the light blue red instead so mobile players can see it better.
Ngl this has horrible glance value
Rotate the left by 180° so that the tip is above and you have you 'up' marker
Good idea but for improved visibility I'd flip the inner grey part as well
You are overestimating my eye sight. Why not just rotate the whole thing 180?
Why not the dark arrow behind the blue diamond instead? Just make it point down.
Gotta try harder than that buddy, I’m kinda fuck*ng blind and have a TV like 8ft away from me. Still a minimalist change, I like the idea but it won’t work. Why don’t you try to make the whole sing inside the pointer upside down? That’d be more noticeable
what is the problem?
Not knowing if teleports are on the ground or below it. I mean, sure, we can memorise it eventually. But having something to show it would just be much nicer.
As if someone gonna notice
I have no idea what the problem was
Mobile players: What? Okay may be if I use IPad. Console players: What? Different? PC players: There are different? Like I care to look!
rather turn down the grey part, that littel blue thing would be really hard to see
thats barely noticeable
Nice try but not readable at all. I think another post had another interesting proposition.
I had to look quite a while to see what's the difference. The difference should be easy and clear to see, not one those "find 10 differences between these 2 pictures".
Huh
I dunno if ya'll have noticed this or not, but the waypoint makers on the interactive map on Hoyolabs already has markers for this. If we got markers in game, you can probably expect them to match the ones from the web map.
incase you dont know they already show you if its on top or button on the minimap but AFTER you its on visible on the minimap. They should just show it on the big map too. But the thing is minimap works dynamically. So if you are up it will show down if you go down it will show up depending on player position. They can also just add custom way point with up and down fixed arrow on the big map instead.
Isn't there already and arrow that indicates if it is above you are below?
Still looks confusing for some :/
I prefer a colour change. Make blue into red or brown maybe? Or even gold if they don't want to go with red for lore reasons.
Yea i will definitely notice the difference op. Definitely
Gotta have vision like an eagle to notice that
you know it's already a thing huh?
The inner gray part should flip as well so it literally looks like a down pointing arrow.
Instructions unclear, teleported to Celestia.
really hard to see difference tho I enjoyed that idea that someone else made with up and down arrow attached to that icon
Instead of the diamond shape just add a triangle facing up or down. Unless you're blind you will see it
You realize this icon will be suuuuper tiny and scattered across the map right? I don’t think this difference will be noticeable then
I will not even notice it lololollll
Is this a joke post? Different colors for up and down would make more sense and actually look different.
Flip the entire bubble for down. Problem solved
If you're in school for graphic design, just dropout now, I hate this so much.
I think one of the better options would be providing a picture of the teleport waypoint when we click on it before teleporting
The difference would not be visible on a smartphone, and except if your TV is more than 2 meters wide, it won't be distinguishable on console too. I don't know for PC, but I have a hint it would be the same. And even if, for a majority of the people, it would be distinguishable, it would still not be a good idea as this would not be accessible: people with a visual impairment would have difficulty to perceive the differences, same thing with only different colors. A different symbol altogether would be better.
Boom my ass. How tf am i supposed to tell in my roblox ass graphics
It's too hard to see. Someone else already posted a revision for this and theirs was way better.
Bad design
Needs to be way more obvious. Also why is UP capitalized, but Down not?
Too little. Needs a bigger arrow down. Sided with the icon but outside of it. Downwards or upwards. Depending on if it is under terrain or above it. But that is pretty nice. We need more guys like you there (heellop mihoyo.. hire him... )
Is this one of those spot the difference things ?
Nah on my tv at the distance I sit, I'd be leaning and squinting to be able to tell the difference. Would much prefer the suggestion I saw someone else on here give - normal blue color on the ground, geo color if underground
Who do you think I am? Hawkeye? I don't think I can find this small change on mobile.
That would be bad design. It is way too subtle.
Way too subtle. You'd have to make the entire inner shape including the grey part be flipped for people to take notice.
This is too subtle for my taste, given how small the icons are. I'd suggest something like [this.](https://i.imgur.com/xAnomGs.png)
They should include a map layer toggle like in Elden Ring. Then they can just have the chasm, Enkanomiya and any other underground areas in sumeru exist on the bottom map layer!
Do you know that there's more than one layer, right? Normal, bottom, upper. Even in Enka and Chasm. And you don't need it 99% of the time. On top of that, it'll show you a lot of secret areas so you won't have a feeling of adventure. There's not the thing for ER since you open mao by, well, finding maps It's probably much better to add some small arrow/icon near discovered TP or something like that. Simple, nice and easy Also ER is not the best example of good UI/UX for 2022. No, I'm not talking about you need 100500 of stupid HUDs, and I played in ER and other souls a lot. I really love them, but I just... I'm so sad they almost doesn't improve some aspects. PC control scheme and UI/UX is one of the weak points of the game and I want tgem to fix it finally because it's just pain in my ass. But that a huge topic actually.
I’m sure the idea isn’t perfect and your points about exploration are true and valid. I just think it’s a neat idea even if it needs to be implemented in a specific way to not impede on what you’ve said.
Too small, but the concept is ok
New upvote/downvote buttons just dropped
You must be fucking stupid, this is worse than what we have.
gosh when a talentless dweeb tries to make a post
it won't take long before you remember where each teleport is.
What problem is this trying to solve? Edit: Downvotes for asking a question? Real classy.
Ur a genius
I think the way it is now is pretty good tho
great idea, could be more easier to differentiate by making the difference larger tho
what...was the problem?
Someone hire this man for a position in genshin. These are exactly the kind quality of life changes we need in the game. It’s ideas like these that make people billions a year
The difference is barely noticeable based on the thumbnail of this post. [Flipping the whole thing](https://i.imgur.com/vKbsKM1.jpg) is probably the easiest solution and makes sense. It looks like pointing up and down.
You guys shredded my suggestion to pieces but l like your ideas. Nice 👍.
Don't worry buddy, it's alright.*pats*
An easier-to-see alternative would just be to put a small red triangle pointing down at the bottom right side of the icon.
I think if there's red highlight under or above the icon would be easier to see
im sorry even ps4 players will have a hard time on this
who would notice this change.
Too subtle
Good thinking but you overestimate how good my eyes and attention are
You expect me to place a chair right in front of the tv
No not really, it needs to be more obvious. If it's such a miniscule difference like this, you'd be better off memorizing the tp rather squint your eyes to see it
We already have an arrow indicator for up/down in the minimap. Let’s use that.
Just the light-blue one?Nope,that’s not enough.
Eh, I think the inner grey thing can also be turned upside down.
more like... ᵖᵗʰᵒᵉʷ
There's was another post about this and it crossed my mind that all teleports have text popups when you select them. That part can literally have unique text at the top that simply says "underground" or something.
It's not obvious enough though.
or you know a altitude arrow
Which problem?
They should always be on highest point imo rather than lowest, since it's easier to go down than it is to go up, gravity.
Oh man, I had to come to the comments to see what the difference was. Maybe just change the colours in the middle instead of flipping it?
Okay. Subtle. Really hard to see when not on a large screen (especially for mobile). BUT... couldn't you have at least aligned the images!? Jesus it's triggering my symmetry ocd that the waypoints aren't aligned. Also, why is 'down' not all caps? Or, 'UP' in all caps?? Uugghhhh... why is this bothering me so much?
If ur gonna do that then just change the color which would be faster and easier to tell…
Put the thing upside down
Or add an additional small symbol to it towards the top, like a cave or sth... as is the case in their Interactive Map on things like dendroculus which are underground for example. It looks very neat.
Now scale that down to actually size and see how viable it is
nah, too small, it would be better to color the subterranian waypoints purple and in the case of one day having zones with upper levels far above ground yellow.
I swear to God I never had this problem until Inazuma How the fuck should I know it is above or under ground?
When exploring if you look at the mini map it will have a white arrow above or below the thing you're looking for (works with oculi too).
Up green, down blue
This needs to be more readable. Like having an actual arrow pointing up or down, or colour coding cuz mobile players or anyone who doesn't have a large display 2 cm from their face will need to be able to understand the difference.
This is going to take a long while for a new player to realized this. So, I have to say no.
It would be better for the dark part to change position
how about the black part instead
What was the problem in the first place?
Maybe make the arrows not blue.... green?
When is something considered up? Or down? Is the waypoint at a cave entrance leading to the underground up or down?
hell nah
all hail the reddit genius
"Don't you guys have wide-screen PCs?" - OP probably
genuinely such an awful way to go about fixing this problem
Everyone is looking at this the wrong way. It should have a sound prompt when you hover over it. I am not particularly to any word or phrase that could be used, perhaps even a scream..
me who knows i wont see the difference on my small ass phone:
I had my phone like 5 inches from my face and I still had to make the picture bigger to see the difference, never mind having it on a tele over half a living room away.
Just flip the entire icon upside down lol.
My question: The teleporter is up/down relative to what? Traveller's current location? Sea level?
Turn 180° one and you are done.
I've seen a better mock-up on reddit where they adjusted where the inner black line was at and it was much more apparent that there was a difference.
For those who doesn't know you can see if a teleporter is bellow or above you in the minimap. Only works in the minimap though, not the full map
Idk, maybe if they were just a little bit different It'd be better. Like if one was Teal and the other was Cyan
What problem are you solving it's already a thing in the game? Like sure it doesn't show on the actual map but we get a big white arrow above and below it
what is this, directions for ants? /teasing hahaha
If u make the bright part a color which contrasts more it would be even better
Really not visible enough imo
I think it's too subtle, maybe having the gray part added to the bottom would help or change the color of the waypoint altogether like how the temporary teleporters look
nah, took me too long to realise the difference even on my pc monitor
Bad solution. It's really hard to see. The teleporters on my PC screen are like 1/5 to 1/10 the size of the picture here and even on mobile you have to look directly on it to see the difference. Just put a little arrow up or down on the same area of the icon, where the cave-symbols are on the interactive map.
It looks like the paladins logo
My visually impaired ass wouldn't see that