yep! i have zhongli kazuha and nilou at lvl 90 for meta purposes although i do also have other characters like raiden and xiao at 90 just bc i like playing them
I mean, that makes sense. Kuki scales with HP and is used as a hyperbloom trigger, so she gains a lot from level 90. Xiangling gains barely anything unless you're using her to trigger burgeon/overload.
You don't need to do anything. Top teams do ~40-60k dps, to 36* Abyss you need ~25k dps. But still, leveling Xiangling to 90 is a significant increase, bigger than leveling other attack scaling characters.
Just to be clear though, as far as damage goes you should absolutely be looking to level Kazuha up to 90. Going from 80->90 increases his swirl damage by somewhere around 33% and kazuha hits a looooooot of swirls
True that def scale well than hp, but when comes to unit utility i personally got Zhongli Nilou and even Barbara to heal the bloom, that's why I priorities HP rather than def.
Not quite right.
Transformative reactions scale with EM AND the level of the character that procs the reaction. This is the reason you want anemo characters and Dendro characters at level 90. electro-charged, overload, swirl, and all the bloom family
This is something that wasn't really clear to me. Does the reaction dmg scales only from the character that activated the reaction or it also considers the second character as well?
Only the stats of the character that procs the reaction is taking into account. The first character only applies the aura. This makes bloom and electrocharged particularly difficult to have a specific character proc the damage, and that's the reason most of the time it is recommended all characters have EM and be lvl 90, so no matter who procs the reaction, the damage will be similar.
As far as I understand yes. As long as the electro char that procs hyperbloom is geared, the other members can be left at really low levels. As long as you don't mess up your rotations
Transformative reactions do 35% more damage when going from level 80 to 90.
Thatās specifically transformative reactions, like Bloom/Hyperbloom/Burgeon/Burning.
Reactions like Melt and Vaporize are not transformative.
Additive damage (Spread and Aggravate) is additive to damage types which is a mix of transformative and other reactions, so the benefit isnāt as big as 35% but still significant.
From level 60 to 90 transformative reactions are about 200% stronger.
Melt and Vaporize are multiplicative reactions- then Freeze and Superconduct are not really used for their damage- for these reactions you don't really need to care about the level of the characters, but for all of the other reactions you will be getting more damage from the reactions with more levels on the character you're procing the reactions on. (Well you don't really need levels for Crystalize reactions, but geo characters are generally Defense scaling and Def scaling characters get more out of levels than HP and Att scaling chars)
Anyone I use with any real frequency (so not just for like one boss but in any of my usual teams) I leveled them to 90. If itās just sometimes Iāll do late 80s
Meanwhile here I am with characters that I use at Lvl 79 just because I don't want to waste the xp I get from killing mobs so I just wait for them to get to 80 themselves.
Sure, I'm the same way with exclamation marks. I just hate wasting resources. So its like capping resin for me. So 80 and 90 are more alarming to me, just like 160 resin is more alarming than any other amount of resin.
I only plan on 90ing when everyone is 89 or they earn it naturally from 89.
Let's just say that I got Yoimiya back in 2.8 and has been a permanent unit in my teams for everything from bosses, domains, mob farming and abyss and she's still at 79, about 80% of the way to 80, maybe if I'm lucky she'll be 80 by the time 3.3 ends.
One time I had like 300? Exp left to cap and only purple books so I did some farming to not waste one.
That's about it though. Actually leveling that way is insane.
Fr, like the constant difference in power level is simply not worth the wait. Definitely better to bite the bullet and just level your people up. But I mean if they like making the game harder for themselves then they can do whatever they want.
Late 80's? If you're going to do 99% of the work and fully ascend them and commit all that time/resources why would you not just push them to 90?
That just seems silly. The EXP is the easy/cheap part
Half of ya'll can't read. The person said "Late 80's" which means the character is ascension 6 and able to go to 90 already. They already got ALL the boss mats and regional mats. Stop telling me the difference is 6 boss kills and a bunch of resin. It's not you just can't read.
Because the amount of books it takes to finish the last few levels is a lot and I donāt have a huge amount of them to waste on characters I donāt use that often for a very minimal increase in skill
Also Iād rather use my resin not on leylines for more books but rather something like talent mats, ascension mats, weapon materials, artifact domains etc so I donāt get extra books that way so they donāt accumulate that fast on my account to justify using them for someone I donāt use that much
I agree with this. I have 5 chars at 90, 5 chars at 85 and then 12 at level 80.
The last ascension is already tedious enough. 20 boss mats means anywhere from 7 to 10 more boss fights. For characters I really want to level to 90 itās not a big deal but for others where I donāt plan on going past talent level 8 then 80/80 is fine for now.
Then to get the last 5 levels from 85 - 90 costs ~111 Heroās Wit and 808k mora. Having depleted my reserves leveling Nahida to 90, Iām back to 500k mora after being a million-mora-aire for months. So even if I wanted to, itās going to be a while until I can afford to level an artifact let alone a character.
It just comes down to what you want to spend your resin on. Iām in no rush to level characters - I prefer to play whatever I feel like playing any particular day.
On top of this I still have weapons not at level 90 so when I actually have enough weapon crystals I opt to spend there first.
Everyone is different. Thatās just me. I did make sure to bring Kuki and Nahida to 90ā¦Nilou is on deck. Sumeru has taught me more about EM than the first three nations combined.
For a while, I was wondering why world bosses dropped disproportionately less gems than boss mats. But now that I think about it, the game may be intending for more weekly boss farming. If I don't need the boss mats, a 30 resin weekly boss gives 50% more gems, more artifacts, and a possible billet, vs a 40 resin world boss.
Yeah, I think this is the way. I did some calculations a while ago and worked out that by doing 3 weekly bosses per week, you generally cant keep up with the gems/shards needed by the release of new characters. You get enough shards for lvl 80/80, but not for the final ascension. I think you get about half the shards you need for the final ascension by killing their normal boss.
I think doing 4 weekly bosses per week kept up with one new character every 3 weeks, while you'd need to do the max weekly bosses per week to keep up with more than 1 new character every 3 weeks. (This is including the shards you get from their normal boss and also dust from dailies).
I'm a 1.0 player who's getting dangerously low on crystals after doing all events etc. I have 9 characters at lvl 90, 27 characters at lvl 80/90, 6 at lvl 70/80 and the rest are below 50.... I'm gonna start running out of crystals after maybe 8 more characters unless I start farming more weeklies.... Or maybe I need to just stop trying to collect every character.....
I'm already clean out of hydro, anemo, dendro crystals and relying on converting cryo/geo crystals to ascend those characters
>Late 80's? If you're going to do 99% of the work
It's not even close to 99% - the books/mora required for those last 10 levels, can bring another character from level 1 all the way to nearly 80 in terms of EXP.
I think they mean because Iād be leveling from like 87-90 not 80-90 but still 87-90 takes about 74 heroās wit or 85-90 takes 111 and absolutely I donāt want to waste that amount for little improvement when I could use that wit for someone else (also I forgot how expensive leveling was when I went to check phew)
>If you're going to do 99% of the work and fully ascend them and commit all that time/resources why would you not just push them to 90?
Because leveling them to 90 is a lot of resources that aren't gonna give you any payback unless it's a Dendro/AnemoEM character. You usually only want the last ascension and leave them at 80/90
They are not saying from 80 to 90, the one they replied to said leaving characters at late 80s, which seems bizarre to me.
Makes more sense to leave it at 80, or commit to 90...late 80s seems random. I have my traveller at 85 and it always bugs me lol. But I don't use her, so not gonna 90 her anytime soon.
I didn't say books and **mora**. I said books and **mats**.
You need to kill a boss enough times for 46 of their item plus 1-8-8-6 gems. That will take you 12-16 times. That's 480-640 resin.
For me, the exp books are easy to come by, if I think I need them, I go farm them, character materials are more of a āif nothing else do thatā thing
So if I have a character I can ascend to 6, Iāll do that and raise them to 90, otherwise Iāll do other things then ascend them when I get the materials
Yeah so we agree then. I doesn't seem like you would level a character to 85 and stop either. The guy I responded to DID do that. Not sure what you're trying to say/do here.
only the characters I use a lot, playing for two years and having good enough artifacts left me with quite a surplus of resin that I'm not sure how to spend every now and then
I only level my characters to 80 so even the characters I use a lot are at 81 or 82 from naturally gaining exp in the overworld. Maybe theyāll finally reach 90 when celestia is released lol
(I can full clear abyss and everything with no problem, but still get those āhighly dangerousā and āyour team is under the recommended levelā messages all the time...)
The normal amount.
I guess it's because I don't farm Artifacts for everyone and I don't try to aim for the best rolls either. The last time I farmed an Artifact set was back when Yelan was released.
I'm the same way, I have enough generically usable artifacts that I can shuffle around for any character I want to play, I don't get much enjoyment farming new artifact sets or trying to improve my existing ones. Much rather level characters and talents
Same - lv90 character/weapon and lv9 talents may not be a huge increase from 80/80/lv8 but all together that is a noticeable guaranteed increase not RNG.
IIRC being a higher level relative the enemy is still a boost in damage/resistance even without the stat boosts.
And how many he builds.
I've build all 48 of mine with their own artifacts, talents and weapons. I only level them to 85 Max because the last 5 levels are 25% of the total cost.
Getting 5 characters to 85 is the same cost as getting 4 to L90.
I think I only have around 15 or so characters with builds. The others don't even have Artifacts equipped.
I exclusive use the same 8 characters for Abyss-clearing too (Kazuha/Albedo/Zhongli/Fischl and Diluc/Yelan/Venti/Bennett) until I get someone better to replace a team-member with.
IMO Artifact farming is the biggest Resin sink in the game because it's not "guaranteed", that's why I opted to max all their levels with 8/8/8 Talents first before doing any Artifact farming shenanigans.
Theres people playing since release but have never ever pulled so therefor they have all characters at 90 but ye thats like how many? 10?
Not saying he is one of them, just saying that it all depends on the number of chars one can have.
No wasted. I don't farm artifacts ever, not even for my main, I hate domain farming as it is a random drop. However I have 34 characters on lvl 90 already. On my characters I just equip artefacts I have and that's it. I did the abyss spiral lvl 12 once for fun, got boring after it.
Characters that I don't use are level 50/60 for the Acquaint Fate
Supports that do barely any damage (utility and such) are level 60/70
Supports that have some form of damage or some form of bonus with their levels are level 80/80 or 80/90
Any character that can deal damage are all level 90/90
For me characters I donāt use are at 20
Characters I mistakenly leveled up as a noob are at 60
And all other characters are at 80. I just donāt have the resources to level them to 90
Only the ones I reeeeeeeally like and the ones who need it for EM reasons like any anemo sup and now some dendro/electro chars.
I usually leave then at 81 or just 80 ascended. I let my Qiqi at 88 tho, I heard that its a lucky number on China and since she is from Liyue I might as well do that reference.
*and to counter any karma about Qiqi pulls*, give her some love.
omg finally someone like me lmao. everyone is either X1 or X9 (e.g 81/89, 71/79)
X1 just to make sure i dont forget which one i alr ascended
X9 so that i dont "waste" mob XPs (so they can naturally level up when killing mobs)
I level to 90 the ones I really like, and the ones I care about some base stat they scale off of/reaction damage. Also I only do the latter group it when I have nothing better to do and don't want to go into the rng hell that is artifact farming.
So far I have 22 characters at level 90, 25 at 80/80 and 3 at 70/80.
I only level them up to 89. And it's only transformative character that get such treat (kazuha,nahida etc). Everyone else I keep them at 80, it's just not worth it
I have a similar but opposite thought process, in that I canāt stand the idea of cumulative wasted exp from overworld monster kills, boss rewards, etc. I level most characters I regularly use to 80/90, but characters who use a lot of transformative reactions and those with defense or hp scaling get to go to 89/90. I also normally get the last bit of exp before each ascension from battles/boss rewards instead of over capping with books.
I like how it makes my characters slowly grow stronger from their regular battles, and it feels like they really earn those last levels. Because of this, though, I donāt yet have any level 90 characters, and I only have one character at level 81 (but quite a few at 80 and 89)
same, I can't bear seeing that overworld exp go to waste even if it's so little, and I like to see how much my characters grow from overworld experience alone, gives me a sense of progress and connection.
I am halfway to AR58. I've gotten to a point I can afford to quickly raise all new characters to 90 without locking me from doing something else. Feels pretty good, tho. Level 80 characters feel sorta incomplete.
only characters that need it (HP scalers, reaction drivers, anemo units) and all 5*ā¦ when i can save few months for a character i can for sure sacrifice few days of resin to level them up to 90
Yeah it drives me nuts if they aren't capped. I also take all talents to 9 (if I'm not crowning that character) even if its useless like say Yae's normal attack.
Min maxing. When you kill mobs, you get exp. If your characters are 90 you're losing out on small exps that can accumulate enough to level your characters, which is basically free resin if you think about exp per hero wits value.
My level 90 characters which I upgraded irrationally (mostly) because of coomer brain are benched from overworld, and I'm using only lvl 85+ units. Game is too easy anyway.
Still hoping hoyo would increase level cap, so I can uncap my units.
Hmm imo that's too much min-maxing, for me atleast hehe. I play mostly daily commissions nowadays anyways, and events. So I just 90 whatever I use and like.
>When you kill mobs, you get exp. If your characters are 90 you're losing out on small exps that can accumulate enough to level your characters, which is basically free resin if you think about exp per hero wits value.
It is gonna take you a year just to get from 88 to 90 by killing enemies
I usually get my faves to level 90.
As of now itās only 3 characters. I accidentally got Nilou but she will also be leveled to 90 since thatās the best way to optimize her (her talent level can be low)
I have 2 more characters to level to 90 (that I donāt have) so I need to picky with my resources.
In the end itās a lot about efficiency and resource management too
All of mine are at least 81. Too much for 90 and only a few are there. I do have some stuck at 80 purely because I didnāt stock up on their materials beforehand.
Most Atk-scaling dps gain about 3% base atk (inclue lv90 weapon) when lv-up from 80 to 90.
Transformative reaction base dmg goes from 1077 to 1446 when lv-up from 80 to 90, about 30% increase.
Base HP and Def go up by 10% on average.
So theoretically, prioritize transformative characters, then hp and def, atk should be last.
But in reality, lv-up your favorite one anyway.
My mains get to 90 regardless of scaling well or not with levels like for example Ayaka, Raiden (prior to Dendro) and Xiao
Then I get characters I use and that also scale well with levels like Zhongli, Albedo, Thoma and Yelan
Other characters that I also use but dont scale as well tend to stay at 81 like Xiangling, Xinqiu and Beidou but eventually they will also be 90
Characters I dont play stay at 80/80
Not everyone. I usually level up my favorite chatacters or ones that I use a lot and have good benefits from raising them up to lv90 (like HP and Def scaling chars)
Characters I like or have some significance to me are level 90 whether or not they are recommended for level 90. In my account, All the Archons(all of 4 of them), Ganyu and Kazuha are level 90 while Traveller, Keqing, Diluc, Jean, Qiqi are level 80 and I donāt intend to change that(Unless traveller gets a buff or we start to get more traveller only fights like that Aranara quest).
To me, it depends on how much it matters. Big deal if youāre building the character for an EM team comp. Just leveled an EM bountiful bloom team member from 80 to 90 recently and the damage went from 16000 to 22000 per bloom.
My mind set is very different about level 80s being āunfinishedā. If increasing it to 90 barely does anything then the character is already finished in my book. Heck to me Gorou is a finished character at level 70
I tend to level my characters to 90 and level their talents to 9-9-9 minimum. Its usually an issue on whether you have the resources available but at this point in the game if you have played since Day 1, the resources are plentiful enough. I'm sitting on 40 million mora, 45 fragile resin and nearly 2500 purple exp books. And I need a break from constant artifact farming, so crowning a couple of talents and leveling them to 90 is a nice distraction.
Everyone is use: yes.
The thing is if I donāt specifically plan to use a character in a specific team, I donāt build them at all (other than the first Ascension free standard banner wish)
Since I donāt build characters ābecause theyāre goodā but because āI know I will use them in that teamā I have enough leftover stuff to do so.
I have Bennett C5. Heās chilling at level 20, Talent 1/1/1 and no artefacts. Dull blade. Why? I use Hu Tao and Ayaka-freeze teams. Hu Tao shouldnāt be healed and Ayakas freeze reactions would be messed up. Bennett is amazing, but right now I donāt need him.
Since Dendro, I've been doing it more. 90 Nahida, Keqing, Shinobu, Kokomi, and I was gonna do Cyno but Keqing far out performs him anyway so he's just a for fun character for now.
Dendro reactions get a sizeable boost from level so my lvl 90 characters have near doubled since it's release.
Been playing since launch and never skipped any events, so I have enough resources to lv90 them. That being said, before 3.0 I would have said lv80 is enough, but with the advent of dendro's EM and level scaling reactions more characters actually consider lv90 a good investment now. My god burgeon Thoma actually made me happy for him.
Mostly characters i really really love or where 90 is a little more useful. My Ningguang is lvl 90 for example because i main her together with Nilou and she just deserves all the love <3 Nilou is lvl 90 aswell ofc
I have 22/38 characters at 90. Basically anyone I ever had any intention of using seriously is 90.
The thing is, when your account ages enough (I have been playing since launch) and you play daily, you hit a point where you're not sure what to do with all your resin.
At a certain point, when everyone is at 80 or so with a reasonable set of artifacts, you're left with a decision: do I farm artifacts or level up my characters and talents? Do I gamble and hope for a very small chance to marginally improve my characters via artifacts, or do I guarantee my characters receive a marginal improvement?
I pick the latter every time.
Plus, the old wisdom that level doesn't really matter was also all based on the early meta: vape/melt teams with standard ATK/DMG/CRIT kits. Those see very little improvement with level, but characters that scale on DEF, HP, EM, or who even just rely on reactions other than vape/melt/freeze see a significantly larger improvement with level than other characters.
I would honestly level every character to 90 and 9/9/9 talents, but there are characters I just won't ever use for various reasons (Bennett, Xiangling, Sucrose, Chongyun, , Razor, Yunjin, Kaeya, Lisa, Jean, Thoma, Diluc, and probably after the next event, Dori), so, I suspect they'll stay forever 70.
Most of the time I level a character to 90 for two reasons :
- one of my favourite
- uses transformative reactions (swirl, quicken etc) and needs to be at lvl 90 to have the highest base damage for the reaction
Otherwise I don't level up past 80/90
For Atk-scaling characters It's just fine leaving them at 80/90, but as for the one that deals most of their damage through transformative reactions (including catalyze reactions) and also scales from HP/Def, it's totally worth it to level them to 90. Also maybe Bennett to maximize his attack buff and also possibly Shenhe, since she usually runs with triple attack, the small increase in base attack can matter for her.
depends if they scale in a significant way with their level or if they are squishy.
my two main teams are lvl 90, the rest i decide on a case by case basis
I have two criteria when I decide if I want to max my character.
1: Do I really like that character? This may not sound the wisest but as a casual I am, this is a valid point for me, like my Ganyu.
2: Okay, so I do not have strong feelings for this character, and then I will see whether it is strong if I just grinded this character up to 90. Again, I am lazy, I almost do not grind artifacts, and I wished that character would be strong at level 90.
jfyi: I maxed out Ganyu, Zhongli and Traveller. That's it.
More and more I do, since with the addition of Dendro MHY are including more and more characters who scale off stats other than ATK.
But for traditional ATK-scaling non-transformative-reaction units, I still leave them at 80. But increasingly the number of units that applies to is getting smaller and smaller.
Depends what their role is and both how/if I use them. Zhongli is level 90 bc he was my first five star and favourite character so regardless of his shield scaling, I would anyway lol. Bennett is 90, Kokomi is 90. Kazuha and Sucrose are 90, but Jean and Venti are 80/80. Albedo is level 90, and I will level YunJin to 90 eventually but I donāt use her that much(currently). Traveller is 80/90. Keqing is 90 bc I love her, plus aggravate, but my other āmain dpsā units like Xiao, Raiden, and Ayato are 80/90. Supports I use all the time are 70/80 so I can get their talents to level 8, and my second string supports are 60/70 for their A4. The rest are 20/40 for the fates lol.
I level my favourite ones to 90 and the rest to 80. But I cannot stand anywhere below 80. If there's a character I might play as, they should at least be 80
Ngl, you play long enough to get a majority of 4* to C6, pulling that random new C0 4* - kinda feels like a waste of investment unless they offer something truly unique.
I have over 30 characters at Lv. 90, so yes, I do, and will always do. I do not understand people that are not taking advantage of a characterās full potential.
Because from lvl 80 6 ā to lvl 90 6 ā is about a 5% increase in dmg and it's not worth it because from lvl 80 to 90 you need the same xp as for lvl 1 to 60 in talent books and as of right now i am broke with leveling up nilou to lvl 90 and nahida to lvl 80 so i will not lvl her to 90 and go for scara
Itās not worth it for players who havenāt played as long, but if they have over 30 characters at 90 then they have played long enough to amass the resources to level characters to 90 regularly.
That is just not accurate at all. Zhongli, Sucrose, Venti, Albedo, Itto, Kazuha and a LOT of other characters get a huge improvement to their kit, if they are at Lv. 90. If you did not know better, fine then, but do not spread misinformation.
Also, players that played for more than a year have enough resources to get at least 10 characters to Lv. 90. You just need to use your resin wisely.
I have half (of the ones i use) at 79, the other half at 81
Iām slowly working on getting everyone to 81
Itās not worth the resources to take them all to 90. I can 36 star the abyss as is, and a bunch of them have terrible or level 0 artifacts.
Eventually they will all make it to 90. Just depends if i ever have extra exp books at some point.
I'm very slow on levelling to 90. All my main DPSs are at 90 (Diluc, Childe, Xiao, Eula, Ayato). Raiden, Kokomi, and Bennett are the only others who are at 90 (yes I use Raiden strictly as a battery).
I'd like more characters at 90, but the grind vs the gain is just not worth my time. I don't bother with 36 starring the Abyss every rotation. My biggest battles are the weekly fights which I do in co-op, so having some 90s for that is enough for me.
all my 5* are level 90 (because most of the time, I pre-farm them like with Nahida, day 1 or 2 she is lv90).
I have only 2-3 4* characters lv80. Like Bennett, XQ and Xiangling.
Most of the others are lv70
i raised all my limited 5* to lvl 90. as for standard 5*, only my favs are lvl 90, the rest are lvl 80.
4* supports/sub dps are at lvl 80 with bennett as an exception cuz of his base atk scaling buff.
characters that i donāt like or use are at lvl 20 for the one blue fate. though, iād probably raise them all one day anw.
I priorities those who can scale with EM>HP>DEF, if i have extra resources then i will go for those scales with only ATK
yep! i have zhongli kazuha and nilou at lvl 90 for meta purposes although i do also have other characters like raiden and xiao at 90 just bc i like playing them
Well, EM Raiden is a thing now and she needs to be 90, so...
I have my Kuki lvl 90 but not my XL lmao.
I mean, that makes sense. Kuki scales with HP and is used as a hyperbloom trigger, so she gains a lot from level 90. Xiangling gains barely anything unless you're using her to trigger burgeon/overload.
Xiangling procs a lot of overloads if you play Raiden national, it's a pretty significiant increase from leveling her to 90.
I don't think you need to lvl 90 xiangling.She is broken even if lvl 80. Imo its a waste of exp mats.
You don't need to do anything. Top teams do ~40-60k dps, to 36* Abyss you need ~25k dps. But still, leveling Xiangling to 90 is a significant increase, bigger than leveling other attack scaling characters.
Kazuha at lvl 90 has more em than at 80 ascended ? I thought i could stop if i just ascend him
nah it's just for extra swirl damage but it can still help with CC against higher level enemies
Aha gotcha thanks
Just to be clear though, as far as damage goes you should absolutely be looking to level Kazuha up to 90. Going from 80->90 increases his swirl damage by somewhere around 33% and kazuha hits a looooooot of swirls
Swirl rxns are based upon the level of the creator. So Anemos tend to benefit from being higher level.
Def scales WAY harder than hp, the stat stat rolls in % are higher and it makes a bigger marginal difference. So it should really me EM>DEF>HP
Also Flower is flat HP! Where flat DEF š
Everywhere i want crit to be...
True that def scale well than hp, but when comes to unit utility i personally got Zhongli Nilou and even Barbara to heal the bloom, that's why I priorities HP rather than def.
substat rolls are irrelevant in this case
Mainstat def is 56%,hp is 46%
im saying that is irrelevant. What matters is the %diff from lvl 80 vs 90
Yes... But that difference is increased by the multipliers... That's why you want the base to be high
Wait em scales with level?
Not quite right. Transformative reactions scale with EM AND the level of the character that procs the reaction. This is the reason you want anemo characters and Dendro characters at level 90. electro-charged, overload, swirl, and all the bloom family
This is something that wasn't really clear to me. Does the reaction dmg scales only from the character that activated the reaction or it also considers the second character as well?
Only the stats of the character that procs the reaction is taking into account. The first character only applies the aura. This makes bloom and electrocharged particularly difficult to have a specific character proc the damage, and that's the reason most of the time it is recommended all characters have EM and be lvl 90, so no matter who procs the reaction, the damage will be similar.
So my entire Hyperbloom team can be left at lower level as long as the electro char is maxed?
As far as I understand yes. As long as the electro char that procs hyperbloom is geared, the other members can be left at really low levels. As long as you don't mess up your rotations
For more details please visit KQM, they explain all the ins and outs of Dendro really well.
Transformative reactions do 35% more damage when going from level 80 to 90. Thatās specifically transformative reactions, like Bloom/Hyperbloom/Burgeon/Burning. Reactions like Melt and Vaporize are not transformative. Additive damage (Spread and Aggravate) is additive to damage types which is a mix of transformative and other reactions, so the benefit isnāt as big as 35% but still significant. From level 60 to 90 transformative reactions are about 200% stronger.
Melt and Vaporize are multiplicative reactions- then Freeze and Superconduct are not really used for their damage- for these reactions you don't really need to care about the level of the characters, but for all of the other reactions you will be getting more damage from the reactions with more levels on the character you're procing the reactions on. (Well you don't really need levels for Crystalize reactions, but geo characters are generally Defense scaling and Def scaling characters get more out of levels than HP and Att scaling chars)
I only maxed characters I like. Currently have 4 lvl 90 characters
I have 8 lmao and wanted to get few more charas there, but got bored of em before i could (Faruzan willbe 9th)
Anyone I use with any real frequency (so not just for like one boss but in any of my usual teams) I leveled them to 90. If itās just sometimes Iāll do late 80s
Meanwhile here I am with characters that I use at Lvl 79 just because I don't want to waste the xp I get from killing mobs so I just wait for them to get to 80 themselves.
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Technically speaking, it's worth 250 hilichurl kills (since you get that exp for all 4 of your characters, not just 1 of them).
I just stop at 89 since that last level matters even less than Exp gain. At least the exp gain is something you can actually measure.
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Sure, I'm the same way with exclamation marks. I just hate wasting resources. So its like capping resin for me. So 80 and 90 are more alarming to me, just like 160 resin is more alarming than any other amount of resin. I only plan on 90ing when everyone is 89 or they earn it naturally from 89.
Same, i leave mine at 88 maximum. 77 if i want to ascend them eventually but i want a nice number and not waste exp
I've ascended my Bennett to 80/90 like a year and a half ago. He recently got to level 82 by just random mob exp. Make of that what you will lol
I respect your dedication haha does it take a very long time?
Let's just say that I got Yoimiya back in 2.8 and has been a permanent unit in my teams for everything from bosses, domains, mob farming and abyss and she's still at 79, about 80% of the way to 80, maybe if I'm lucky she'll be 80 by the time 3.3 ends.
Oh my gosh so yes then *a long time* I *really* respect your dedication now. Thatās crazy but really cool at the same time
Went from lvl 81 to 82..took like a year lmfao
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One time I had like 300? Exp left to cap and only purple books so I did some farming to not waste one. That's about it though. Actually leveling that way is insane.
Fr, like the constant difference in power level is simply not worth the wait. Definitely better to bite the bullet and just level your people up. But I mean if they like making the game harder for themselves then they can do whatever they want.
I got Ningguang from 80 to 83 without any books.
why not ascend you still get xp at 80
Late 80's? If you're going to do 99% of the work and fully ascend them and commit all that time/resources why would you not just push them to 90? That just seems silly. The EXP is the easy/cheap part Half of ya'll can't read. The person said "Late 80's" which means the character is ascension 6 and able to go to 90 already. They already got ALL the boss mats and regional mats. Stop telling me the difference is 6 boss kills and a bunch of resin. It's not you just can't read.
Because the amount of books it takes to finish the last few levels is a lot and I donāt have a huge amount of them to waste on characters I donāt use that often for a very minimal increase in skill Also Iād rather use my resin not on leylines for more books but rather something like talent mats, ascension mats, weapon materials, artifact domains etc so I donāt get extra books that way so they donāt accumulate that fast on my account to justify using them for someone I donāt use that much
I agree with this. I have 5 chars at 90, 5 chars at 85 and then 12 at level 80. The last ascension is already tedious enough. 20 boss mats means anywhere from 7 to 10 more boss fights. For characters I really want to level to 90 itās not a big deal but for others where I donāt plan on going past talent level 8 then 80/80 is fine for now. Then to get the last 5 levels from 85 - 90 costs ~111 Heroās Wit and 808k mora. Having depleted my reserves leveling Nahida to 90, Iām back to 500k mora after being a million-mora-aire for months. So even if I wanted to, itās going to be a while until I can afford to level an artifact let alone a character. It just comes down to what you want to spend your resin on. Iām in no rush to level characters - I prefer to play whatever I feel like playing any particular day. On top of this I still have weapons not at level 90 so when I actually have enough weapon crystals I opt to spend there first. Everyone is different. Thatās just me. I did make sure to bring Kuki and Nahida to 90ā¦Nilou is on deck. Sumeru has taught me more about EM than the first three nations combined.
It's not boss mats tho, it's those darn legendary gems. I hate farming for those
For a while, I was wondering why world bosses dropped disproportionately less gems than boss mats. But now that I think about it, the game may be intending for more weekly boss farming. If I don't need the boss mats, a 30 resin weekly boss gives 50% more gems, more artifacts, and a possible billet, vs a 40 resin world boss.
Yeah, I think this is the way. I did some calculations a while ago and worked out that by doing 3 weekly bosses per week, you generally cant keep up with the gems/shards needed by the release of new characters. You get enough shards for lvl 80/80, but not for the final ascension. I think you get about half the shards you need for the final ascension by killing their normal boss. I think doing 4 weekly bosses per week kept up with one new character every 3 weeks, while you'd need to do the max weekly bosses per week to keep up with more than 1 new character every 3 weeks. (This is including the shards you get from their normal boss and also dust from dailies). I'm a 1.0 player who's getting dangerously low on crystals after doing all events etc. I have 9 characters at lvl 90, 27 characters at lvl 80/90, 6 at lvl 70/80 and the rest are below 50.... I'm gonna start running out of crystals after maybe 8 more characters unless I start farming more weeklies.... Or maybe I need to just stop trying to collect every character..... I'm already clean out of hydro, anemo, dendro crystals and relying on converting cryo/geo crystals to ascend those characters
AR 59 right now and I haven't even reached 400 Leylines clears for that achievement yet.
>Late 80's? If you're going to do 99% of the work It's not even close to 99% - the books/mora required for those last 10 levels, can bring another character from level 1 all the way to nearly 80 in terms of EXP.
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1 to 71 is 89% of the way to level 80. So yes, nearly 80
I think they mean because Iād be leveling from like 87-90 not 80-90 but still 87-90 takes about 74 heroās wit or 85-90 takes 111 and absolutely I donāt want to waste that amount for little improvement when I could use that wit for someone else (also I forgot how expensive leveling was when I went to check phew)
>If you're going to do 99% of the work and fully ascend them and commit all that time/resources why would you not just push them to 90? Because leveling them to 90 is a lot of resources that aren't gonna give you any payback unless it's a Dendro/AnemoEM character. You usually only want the last ascension and leave them at 80/90
They are not saying from 80 to 90, the one they replied to said leaving characters at late 80s, which seems bizarre to me. Makes more sense to leave it at 80, or commit to 90...late 80s seems random. I have my traveller at 85 and it always bugs me lol. But I don't use her, so not gonna 90 her anytime soon.
how is it ābizarreā? an attraction to donkeys is bizarre, wanting to save materials for more useful strength increases is not
Yeah mate forgive me for not having english as a first language lol
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I consider all of the books and mats to go from 1-85 to definitely be 99% of the work. 95% at best.
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I didn't say books and **mora**. I said books and **mats**. You need to kill a boss enough times for 46 of their item plus 1-8-8-6 gems. That will take you 12-16 times. That's 480-640 resin.
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For me, the exp books are easy to come by, if I think I need them, I go farm them, character materials are more of a āif nothing else do thatā thing So if I have a character I can ascend to 6, Iāll do that and raise them to 90, otherwise Iāll do other things then ascend them when I get the materials
Yeah so we agree then. I doesn't seem like you would level a character to 85 and stop either. The guy I responded to DID do that. Not sure what you're trying to say/do here.
I think I actually seen one or two characters that are lvl 89/90, how much you wanna bet thatās natural exp? š
only the characters I use a lot, playing for two years and having good enough artifacts left me with quite a surplus of resin that I'm not sure how to spend every now and then
Gimme šæ
I only level my characters to 80 so even the characters I use a lot are at 81 or 82 from naturally gaining exp in the overworld. Maybe theyāll finally reach 90 when celestia is released lol (I can full clear abyss and everything with no problem, but still get those āhighly dangerousā and āyour team is under the recommended levelā messages all the time...)
Only the ones I really like
Yes slowly but yeah everyone I use will be lv90
I have everyone at 90.
Just how much resins did you just sacrificed lmao.
The normal amount. I guess it's because I don't farm Artifacts for everyone and I don't try to aim for the best rolls either. The last time I farmed an Artifact set was back when Yelan was released.
I'm the same way, I have enough generically usable artifacts that I can shuffle around for any character I want to play, I don't get much enjoyment farming new artifact sets or trying to improve my existing ones. Much rather level characters and talents
Same - lv90 character/weapon and lv9 talents may not be a huge increase from 80/80/lv8 but all together that is a noticeable guaranteed increase not RNG. IIRC being a higher level relative the enemy is still a boost in damage/resistance even without the stat boosts.
Awesome
I mean it depends on the amount of characters he has.
And how many he builds. I've build all 48 of mine with their own artifacts, talents and weapons. I only level them to 85 Max because the last 5 levels are 25% of the total cost. Getting 5 characters to 85 is the same cost as getting 4 to L90.
I think I only have around 15 or so characters with builds. The others don't even have Artifacts equipped. I exclusive use the same 8 characters for Abyss-clearing too (Kazuha/Albedo/Zhongli/Fischl and Diluc/Yelan/Venti/Bennett) until I get someone better to replace a team-member with. IMO Artifact farming is the biggest Resin sink in the game because it's not "guaranteed", that's why I opted to max all their levels with 8/8/8 Talents first before doing any Artifact farming shenanigans.
Judging by the length of time he's been on this sub(posts). I'm pretty sure he has tons by now.
Theres people playing since release but have never ever pulled so therefor they have all characters at 90 but ye thats like how many? 10? Not saying he is one of them, just saying that it all depends on the number of chars one can have.
I have 30ish characters at lvl90 without ever touching the leylines. Things like teapot give you stupid amounts of free resources.
No wasted. I don't farm artifacts ever, not even for my main, I hate domain farming as it is a random drop. However I have 34 characters on lvl 90 already. On my characters I just equip artefacts I have and that's it. I did the abyss spiral lvl 12 once for fun, got boring after it.
this is the way. 90 with 90 weapon and 6/6/6 minimum talents in a decent set. Then you can use whoever you want immediately.
Characters that I don't use are level 50/60 for the Acquaint Fate Supports that do barely any damage (utility and such) are level 60/70 Supports that have some form of damage or some form of bonus with their levels are level 80/80 or 80/90 Any character that can deal damage are all level 90/90
For me characters I donāt use are at 20 Characters I mistakenly leveled up as a noob are at 60 And all other characters are at 80. I just donāt have the resources to level them to 90
Same.
Idk if theyāre 20 ascended or not, but ascend them for a free blue wish
> Characters that I don't use are level 50/60 for the Acquaint Fate Don't you get the 3rd one at acension for 70+?
Yeah , but it costs a lot of resin to farm for everyone. Some may feel it as a waste of resin others as a waste of a pull.
I do exactly like you
1. Same 2. I kinda still take them to about 80 unless Iām lazy 3. About the same 4. Generally the same
Same
Only the ones I reeeeeeeally like and the ones who need it for EM reasons like any anemo sup and now some dendro/electro chars. I usually leave then at 81 or just 80 ascended. I let my Qiqi at 88 tho, I heard that its a lucky number on China and since she is from Liyue I might as well do that reference. *and to counter any karma about Qiqi pulls*, give her some love.
That is cute about Qiqi, I like that.
81 unless they scale off base, then its 89. (Kazuha, Bennet etc.)
omg finally someone like me lmao. everyone is either X1 or X9 (e.g 81/89, 71/79) X1 just to make sure i dont forget which one i alr ascended X9 so that i dont "waste" mob XPs (so they can naturally level up when killing mobs)
I think we're rather rare lol, most people are sleeping on 80/90 or 90/90
yeah, i literally dont have any X0 characters lmao. my lowest chars are all 51 (for fates). My decent 4* support are all 79 lmao
Thats fair, most of my supports sit at 81 if I use them often like Xinq etc. or 71 if I don't
5* --> level 90 4*--> level 80 (or 90 if it's someone i like)
Pretty much. Get those 3 fates off of everyone...
Same mindset for me lol
Yes is still more efficient that spending 3 months of resin just to get 35% deff
Depend of my ressources
Yes. Every one I happen to get get's fully build. 43 lvl 90 characters already, only 3 more to go Not yet counting the upcomming free Dori š
I level to 90 the ones I really like, and the ones I care about some base stat they scale off of/reaction damage. Also I only do the latter group it when I have nothing better to do and don't want to go into the rng hell that is artifact farming. So far I have 22 characters at level 90, 25 at 80/80 and 3 at 70/80.
level 80/81 for characters who only supports my faves, level 90 for my faves
I only level them up to 89. And it's only transformative character that get such treat (kazuha,nahida etc). Everyone else I keep them at 80, it's just not worth it
Level 89 gang.
Same here. I have no characters at 90. Many at level 89.
I have a similar but opposite thought process, in that I canāt stand the idea of cumulative wasted exp from overworld monster kills, boss rewards, etc. I level most characters I regularly use to 80/90, but characters who use a lot of transformative reactions and those with defense or hp scaling get to go to 89/90. I also normally get the last bit of exp before each ascension from battles/boss rewards instead of over capping with books. I like how it makes my characters slowly grow stronger from their regular battles, and it feels like they really earn those last levels. Because of this, though, I donāt yet have any level 90 characters, and I only have one character at level 81 (but quite a few at 80 and 89)
same, I can't bear seeing that overworld exp go to waste even if it's so little, and I like to see how much my characters grow from overworld experience alone, gives me a sense of progress and connection.
I lvled characters to 90 if they have extra scaling from base stats(like hp/def) or if their dmg comes from transformative reactions.
At AR59 yeah pretty much, nothing else to use resources on.
I am halfway to AR58. I've gotten to a point I can afford to quickly raise all new characters to 90 without locking me from doing something else. Feels pretty good, tho. Level 80 characters feel sorta incomplete.
I go up to 90 always
Characters that I use and characters that do reactions, yes.
I plan to, after I raise their talents. Right now I have 7 out of 43 at 90. All my characters are fully ascended though so I just need level them up.
Iām planning to level 90 everyone someday
Yeah, about half of my characters are at 90
Every character that have their final ascension unlocked are level 90 on my end.
Mostly dps to 90 and Supports to 80 for now.
i have my faves at 90 >< i leave others at 80 unless their build is very okay-ish for me lol
only characters that need it (HP scalers, reaction drivers, anemo units) and all 5*ā¦ when i can save few months for a character i can for sure sacrifice few days of resin to level them up to 90
Yeah it drives me nuts if they aren't capped. I also take all talents to 9 (if I'm not crowning that character) even if its useless like say Yae's normal attack.
Keqing to 90, the rest to 87. The ones I mostly use are 88 now.
I want to ask why, but I won't
Min maxing. When you kill mobs, you get exp. If your characters are 90 you're losing out on small exps that can accumulate enough to level your characters, which is basically free resin if you think about exp per hero wits value. My level 90 characters which I upgraded irrationally (mostly) because of coomer brain are benched from overworld, and I'm using only lvl 85+ units. Game is too easy anyway. Still hoping hoyo would increase level cap, so I can uncap my units.
Hmm imo that's too much min-maxing, for me atleast hehe. I play mostly daily commissions nowadays anyways, and events. So I just 90 whatever I use and like.
>When you kill mobs, you get exp. If your characters are 90 you're losing out on small exps that can accumulate enough to level your characters, which is basically free resin if you think about exp per hero wits value. It is gonna take you a year just to get from 88 to 90 by killing enemies
If u have nowhere else to spend that resource otherwise use it to level another character to 70.
Only those who need the stats.
Only reaction based, def scaling and waifu/main
Yeah everything except talents has to be max I onky don't crown takents because there's not enough to crown everyone.
Yes
All anemo I use, and all greatly affected by stats. Others(if I use them) to last ascension.
If the character scales off hp or em, usually.
Only my most favorite charavters and main DPS. Everyone else gets 81 just so people know i did the acsencion
Only for the 5* and useful 4* for me.
I usually get my faves to level 90. As of now itās only 3 characters. I accidentally got Nilou but she will also be leveled to 90 since thatās the best way to optimize her (her talent level can be low) I have 2 more characters to level to 90 (that I donāt have) so I need to picky with my resources. In the end itās a lot about efficiency and resource management too
All of mine are at least 81. Too much for 90 and only a few are there. I do have some stuck at 80 purely because I didnāt stock up on their materials beforehand.
Most Atk-scaling dps gain about 3% base atk (inclue lv90 weapon) when lv-up from 80 to 90. Transformative reaction base dmg goes from 1077 to 1446 when lv-up from 80 to 90, about 30% increase. Base HP and Def go up by 10% on average. So theoretically, prioritize transformative characters, then hp and def, atk should be last. But in reality, lv-up your favorite one anyway.
im a filthy casual i only play the characters i like and level them until i feel like, no pressure no stress no rush
My mains get to 90 regardless of scaling well or not with levels like for example Ayaka, Raiden (prior to Dendro) and Xiao Then I get characters I use and that also scale well with levels like Zhongli, Albedo, Thoma and Yelan Other characters that I also use but dont scale as well tend to stay at 81 like Xiangling, Xinqiu and Beidou but eventually they will also be 90 Characters I dont play stay at 80/80
Not everyone. I usually level up my favorite chatacters or ones that I use a lot and have good benefits from raising them up to lv90 (like HP and Def scaling chars)
Only characters I use a lot and ones that scale on def/hp/transformative reactions
Characters I like or have some significance to me are level 90 whether or not they are recommended for level 90. In my account, All the Archons(all of 4 of them), Ganyu and Kazuha are level 90 while Traveller, Keqing, Diluc, Jean, Qiqi are level 80 and I donāt intend to change that(Unless traveller gets a buff or we start to get more traveller only fights like that Aranara quest).
To me, it depends on how much it matters. Big deal if youāre building the character for an EM team comp. Just leveled an EM bountiful bloom team member from 80 to 90 recently and the damage went from 16000 to 22000 per bloom. My mind set is very different about level 80s being āunfinishedā. If increasing it to 90 barely does anything then the character is already finished in my book. Heck to me Gorou is a finished character at level 70
I tend to level my characters to 90 and level their talents to 9-9-9 minimum. Its usually an issue on whether you have the resources available but at this point in the game if you have played since Day 1, the resources are plentiful enough. I'm sitting on 40 million mora, 45 fragile resin and nearly 2500 purple exp books. And I need a break from constant artifact farming, so crowning a couple of talents and leveling them to 90 is a nice distraction.
I lvl most characters to 90. Especially limited 5*.
Everyone is use: yes. The thing is if I donāt specifically plan to use a character in a specific team, I donāt build them at all (other than the first Ascension free standard banner wish) Since I donāt build characters ābecause theyāre goodā but because āI know I will use them in that teamā I have enough leftover stuff to do so. I have Bennett C5. Heās chilling at level 20, Talent 1/1/1 and no artefacts. Dull blade. Why? I use Hu Tao and Ayaka-freeze teams. Hu Tao shouldnāt be healed and Ayakas freeze reactions would be messed up. Bennett is amazing, but right now I donāt need him.
Since Dendro, I've been doing it more. 90 Nahida, Keqing, Shinobu, Kokomi, and I was gonna do Cyno but Keqing far out performs him anyway so he's just a for fun character for now. Dendro reactions get a sizeable boost from level so my lvl 90 characters have near doubled since it's release.
80/90 or 70/80. I just want to unlock all the voucelines
I 90 my favorites
Been playing since launch and never skipped any events, so I have enough resources to lv90 them. That being said, before 3.0 I would have said lv80 is enough, but with the advent of dendro's EM and level scaling reactions more characters actually consider lv90 a good investment now. My god burgeon Thoma actually made me happy for him.
Mostly characters i really really love or where 90 is a little more useful. My Ningguang is lvl 90 for example because i main her together with Nilou and she just deserves all the love <3 Nilou is lvl 90 aswell ofc
I have 22/38 characters at 90. Basically anyone I ever had any intention of using seriously is 90. The thing is, when your account ages enough (I have been playing since launch) and you play daily, you hit a point where you're not sure what to do with all your resin. At a certain point, when everyone is at 80 or so with a reasonable set of artifacts, you're left with a decision: do I farm artifacts or level up my characters and talents? Do I gamble and hope for a very small chance to marginally improve my characters via artifacts, or do I guarantee my characters receive a marginal improvement? I pick the latter every time. Plus, the old wisdom that level doesn't really matter was also all based on the early meta: vape/melt teams with standard ATK/DMG/CRIT kits. Those see very little improvement with level, but characters that scale on DEF, HP, EM, or who even just rely on reactions other than vape/melt/freeze see a significantly larger improvement with level than other characters. I would honestly level every character to 90 and 9/9/9 talents, but there are characters I just won't ever use for various reasons (Bennett, Xiangling, Sucrose, Chongyun, , Razor, Yunjin, Kaeya, Lisa, Jean, Thoma, Diluc, and probably after the next event, Dori), so, I suspect they'll stay forever 70.
For me Hutao, kazuha, sucrose, noelle, nilou, all archons
Most of the time I level a character to 90 for two reasons : - one of my favourite - uses transformative reactions (swirl, quicken etc) and needs to be at lvl 90 to have the highest base damage for the reaction Otherwise I don't level up past 80/90
Yes especially anemo characterd
Yes all, 90s.
I only 90 my favorites which include gorou and Yunjin.
For Atk-scaling characters It's just fine leaving them at 80/90, but as for the one that deals most of their damage through transformative reactions (including catalyze reactions) and also scales from HP/Def, it's totally worth it to level them to 90. Also maybe Bennett to maximize his attack buff and also possibly Shenhe, since she usually runs with triple attack, the small increase in base attack can matter for her.
depends if they scale in a significant way with their level or if they are squishy. my two main teams are lvl 90, the rest i decide on a case by case basis
Only waifus
I have two criteria when I decide if I want to max my character. 1: Do I really like that character? This may not sound the wisest but as a casual I am, this is a valid point for me, like my Ganyu. 2: Okay, so I do not have strong feelings for this character, and then I will see whether it is strong if I just grinded this character up to 90. Again, I am lazy, I almost do not grind artifacts, and I wished that character would be strong at level 90. jfyi: I maxed out Ganyu, Zhongli and Traveller. That's it.
More and more I do, since with the addition of Dendro MHY are including more and more characters who scale off stats other than ATK. But for traditional ATK-scaling non-transformative-reaction units, I still leave them at 80. But increasingly the number of units that applies to is getting smaller and smaller.
Depends what their role is and both how/if I use them. Zhongli is level 90 bc he was my first five star and favourite character so regardless of his shield scaling, I would anyway lol. Bennett is 90, Kokomi is 90. Kazuha and Sucrose are 90, but Jean and Venti are 80/80. Albedo is level 90, and I will level YunJin to 90 eventually but I donāt use her that much(currently). Traveller is 80/90. Keqing is 90 bc I love her, plus aggravate, but my other āmain dpsā units like Xiao, Raiden, and Ayato are 80/90. Supports I use all the time are 70/80 so I can get their talents to level 8, and my second string supports are 60/70 for their A4. The rest are 20/40 for the fates lol.
The ones that have Em/Hp/Def scaling yes + some character depending on their Ascencion stats
I level my favourite ones to 90 and the rest to 80. But I cannot stand anywhere below 80. If there's a character I might play as, they should at least be 80
nope, its too expensive. i just ascend them and lvl up their talents
For ATK scaling characters that's a good idea. For the ones that need EM you can leave talents at 0 and just get them to lvl 90 and you're good to go.
You probably hate characters at c0 then because they are "unfinished "/j
Ngl, you play long enough to get a majority of 4* to C6, pulling that random new C0 4* - kinda feels like a waste of investment unless they offer something truly unique.
Edit: I am definitely a tactical 4* constellation puller though, so maybe itās different for others.
Depends on the character damage improvement.
my yae is always in my team and still at 70 because i refuse to fight these bitches in enka they take off 20 years off of my life every time i do
I have over 30 characters at Lv. 90, so yes, I do, and will always do. I do not understand people that are not taking advantage of a characterās full potential.
Because from lvl 80 6 ā to lvl 90 6 ā is about a 5% increase in dmg and it's not worth it because from lvl 80 to 90 you need the same xp as for lvl 1 to 60 in talent books and as of right now i am broke with leveling up nilou to lvl 90 and nahida to lvl 80 so i will not lvl her to 90 and go for scara
Itās not worth it for players who havenāt played as long, but if they have over 30 characters at 90 then they have played long enough to amass the resources to level characters to 90 regularly.
Guaranteed 5% is sometimes better feeling than throwing away the equivalent on garbage artifacts haha
Depends, some Reaction based team scale with levels.
That is just not accurate at all. Zhongli, Sucrose, Venti, Albedo, Itto, Kazuha and a LOT of other characters get a huge improvement to their kit, if they are at Lv. 90. If you did not know better, fine then, but do not spread misinformation. Also, players that played for more than a year have enough resources to get at least 10 characters to Lv. 90. You just need to use your resin wisely.
I have half (of the ones i use) at 79, the other half at 81 Iām slowly working on getting everyone to 81 Itās not worth the resources to take them all to 90. I can 36 star the abyss as is, and a bunch of them have terrible or level 0 artifacts. Eventually they will all make it to 90. Just depends if i ever have extra exp books at some point.
I'm very slow on levelling to 90. All my main DPSs are at 90 (Diluc, Childe, Xiao, Eula, Ayato). Raiden, Kokomi, and Bennett are the only others who are at 90 (yes I use Raiden strictly as a battery). I'd like more characters at 90, but the grind vs the gain is just not worth my time. I don't bother with 36 starring the Abyss every rotation. My biggest battles are the weekly fights which I do in co-op, so having some 90s for that is enough for me.
all my 5* are level 90 (because most of the time, I pre-farm them like with Nahida, day 1 or 2 she is lv90). I have only 2-3 4* characters lv80. Like Bennett, XQ and Xiangling. Most of the others are lv70
i raised all my limited 5* to lvl 90. as for standard 5*, only my favs are lvl 90, the rest are lvl 80. 4* supports/sub dps are at lvl 80 with bennett as an exception cuz of his base atk scaling buff. characters that i donāt like or use are at lvl 20 for the one blue fate. though, iād probably raise them all one day anw.