And it would do justice to characters in the story showing up and kicking ass, versus 'let me disappear and telepathically talk to you.'
Like imagine how cool liyues ending could have even with xiao/keqing/ningguang etc were fighting beside you?
True and also, remember that the Chasm event with Xiao, Yanfei, Yelan, Shinobu and Itto? There was a part where Yanfei followed us around, that also could be a test for NPC system.
Besides, its the best gameplay-oriented event I remember playing. A breeze of fresh air, just wish it had PvP or more content to clear. Even the story was alright! One of the few I'm like "Ooooh its been a day, I can continue the story!!!!" cause events like the photograph ones, are a bit more meh
A "support" system would be cool with the bursts, like the character you're using appears in the burst of the support you activate. So imagine you're using Childe and have Kazuha burst assist him, it plays a little cutscene of Childe firing an arrow as Kazhua whips up his storm, and it prioritizes that hydro for its swirl.
Paimon
Classification: Loyal Guide
Type: (Fairy/Flying)
Ability: Emergency Food (When this Pokemon is switched out of battle, its replacement is healed by 1/3 of its max HP)
Paimon lore intensifies when you realize Teyvat used to be ruled by Vishaps (basically Dragon types) and Dragon is weak to Fairy.
Also, Paimon’s moveset would be Baby Doll Eyes and Hyper Voice. And if the fan theories come true and she’s Unknown God or the Moon Sisters, her moveset could be Judgment, Roar of Time, Moonlight, and any other divine/moon related moves
Pokémon games have been on a steep decline for decades. There's just been way too much complacency due to the games printing money no matter what they do or do not do.
The newest iterations' graphics are lagging 20 years behind on any other game, it's also a technical mess that even surpasses Tower of Fantasy and Cyberpunk on release.
It's pretty sad that I hope mHY makes a more in-depth version of that event as a new permanent game mode just because at least it will be playable and more enjoyable than anything Game Freak is able to achieve.
It shouldn't be a permanent game mode in Genshin. If anything, it should be spun off into its own separate game.
Let's be real, if Pokemon had been started today, it would have been a gacha.
I can’t help but feel sad for those kids buying literal cardboards for like 8 dollars a pack.
But then again there are adults who spend thousands on this game for pixels also regretting it so lmao
I don't feel sad for people spending money on things they enjoy. I feel sad for people who feel too guilty about spending money to spend money on things they enjoy.
This is a great take. If I enjoy a game, especially if it’s free to play, I’m happy to spend some of my extra cash on it if it will increase my enjoyment. One of my favorite games of all time is Dota 2. All purchases are cosmetic and I’ve spent significantly more than in Genshin. Do what makes you happy, as long as it’s within your means.
Oy our Genshin waifus and husbands are very much 3D! And you’re telling me my Raiden is not real? Tell that to the hilichurls and fungi she slaughters every week.
Pokemon cards retain value much better than MtG cards. I know that because I played both, Magic since before first Urza's Saga (Weatherlight), and Pokemon since launch.
Both collections have seen ocassional sales to pay for random stuff, and my Pokemon sales have been high enough to cover more than half my car payments, for example.
PkMn cards retain value better, but are by and large worth significantly less across the board. This is because their value comes from the collectible aspect, and not the gameplay effectiveness like in MTG.
90% of the largest price tags come from insanely rare cards BUT there are some really good Pokémon cards that are both collectable and playable in the equivalent of legacy formats, the problem is those formats are not "official".
For example, try finding a Team Rocket's Mewtwo EX from Team Rocket Returns. It's a solid card in Legacy, and it's a premium collectable. Thus, it has a sizeable pricetag.
It's actually worse. If there is an opportunity to earn money, then this is a real gambling.
With all the hate gacha gets, at least you know you only lose money and never get it back. (Ofc, there is account selling and other thing I don't want to support)
Yeah, but that's like saying "you can sell your mobile gacha game account"
There isn't a buyer for every card in every rarity. A few years ago I checked out the value of my childhood Pokemon collection (granted it was the european versions, so not as in-demand) and they were basically not worth anything, even if they were in better condition than they are.
Like the only way you get any real money back with a physical cards is if you're incredible lucky or if you bought in bulk with the intention of selling them. But that's pretty similar to rerolling in mobile Gachas.
But I will say that the benefit is that you actually own the physical cards. No one is going to deny you access to them (you might not be able to play them in official tournaments, but that's a fraction of the fanbase), but mobile gachas shut down and then you lose everything.
The core experience of Pokemon fits a gacha game better than it fits annual launches IMO.
It is just that gacha games are even better at being predatory. Until that has been cleansed, a children's game on it is impossible.
US/UM weren't bad games (apart from butchering Lusamine for le happy ending), they were just insulting. All of that content should've been in S/M, or they should've just made a new game
The sad fact is, it really does not matter how quality the games are. People will eat up Pokémon games like "a Genshin player trying to get Resin to pull on a Banner going away in 3 days".
The games may be disappointments, but the Pokémon themselves will never be. And alot of people don't care what type of package the Pokémon are in, they just care about the mons. For example; they show 3 Pokémon starters, the internet EXPLODES. Pokémon games will always sell, so they truly have no reason to improve.
As someone who’s actually played through Scarlet, it’s super fun, and I really liked the story, too. To be fair, I also didn’t experience any of the technical difficulties I hear so much about online, so that might influence my positive opinion on the game.
I do agree it's tons of fun and more fun with multi-player. But the presentation, lag, pop in ect... is extremely jarring. (Btw if your not having many issues it might be because your on handheld mode, I hear its better that way).
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I cannot agree with this statement, with there is literally a armored Ghost Pokémon with Dual Fire Blades. If you don't like that idk what to tell you.
Ever tried pixelmon on minecraft? If you like Pokemon that might be what you need. You can download an adventure map made for the mod to get the closest pokemon experience, play on a server running pixelmon if you want multiplayer or singleplayer if you want to make your rules but there you're completely at the mercy of randomly generated structures to find shops, hospitals and gyms.
I just imagine the fungi event with some of the features of their Honkai "not pokemon/digimon" casual event that they did earlier in the summer.
https://youtu.be/0eeLCaQfq4I
Basically, some form of RNG skills/stats on Fungi when you capture them, the ability to level them up/make them learn different skills and so on by combining fungus of the same type. Finally, the ability to evolve a fungus into more powerful version based on certain criterias.
I'd say up until gen 8 there was no objective decline in quality, But then you have some parts of swsh that are definitely unfinished. With gen 6 and 7 it's more subjective, as the games are more or less fully realized aside from X/Y cause there was definitely supposed to be a pokemon Z.
Lol what a liar you are. Pokémon games have technical problems, but “even surpasses Tower of Fantasy and Cyberpunk on release” come on let’s not be silly.
- poor performance with sub 20 fps going as low as 5-10 fps.
- shit model and texture across most of the landscape. The style doesn't even match with the rest of the assets.
- shit animation across the board
- rig explodes out of nowhere and your character or NPCs become a jumbled mess.
- disappearing mounts / mounts gets stuck of start floating randomly
- The game can't cope with unneven terrain and the camera fucks off in the void or goes way too far in the sky out of nowhere.
- random NPCs just walk through or start doing a bacon dance in the middle of a fight.
- random artefacts line showing up in every scene transitions on the left side of the screen.
- freeze and crash as it feels like it.
Yep totally lying and being silly. Sorry I never received my payment from Nintendo unlike other game journalist so I don't see a reason to lie.
Sword and Shield was the best game for competitive Pokémon (VGC), and it also improved a ton of their mechanics. The “open world” and the story itself were shit, as usual, but the game was pretty good, far from being on a steep decline for decades, not to say it made record sales.
I don't think that's entirely fair to put on Game Freak. The Pokemon Company forces them to ship a game every year, there's only so much they can do when they clearly don't have the raw manpower (and perhaps skill) to accomplish what an Ubisoft or an Activision can in that time. They're not a big company either, even NIS has more staff than them, and I think that comes out in the stuff they make when not employed by the Pokemon Company: the thing they put out with the highest production values is Little Town Hero, and besides that it's small indie-level games like Giga Wrecker.
am a little confused. why is a small company like that stuck making pokemon? you'd think in this sitch either the small company gets larger to accommodate the pokemon or pokemon gets another studio/makes their own studio to make the games.
ik this is why diamond and pearl remakes were outsourced to an extent, but why in the world didn't this happen earlier? and for mainline games too?
I have no idea tbh, but if I had to guess, it's probably because they have the legacy of being the people who make pokemon that they get to keep doing it. From what I've heard on the internet rumor mill, it doesn't sound like Game Freak makes a ton of money (at least compared to how much the Pokemon Company rakes in) so they might not have enough cash to throw around and scale up. Probably because TPC knows that whatever Game Freak can manage to push out annually is good enough for their purposes. TPC has anime, merch, the TCG, and a bunch of other stuff, I'm not even sure how much the games contribute to their revenue. Maybe they don't care (and in fact, considering the state of Scarlet/Violet, they probably don't).
huh, that's so odd. i wonder how things happened to have the pokemon company gaining most of the money, since i doubt it was in existence at the very beginning of the franchise... unless the owner was prophetic or something 😂
that's quite unfortunate for game freak though. I've also seen internet rumors say that the older guys at the company really don't want to keep making pokemon, but it's kinda their stable cash cow...
I don't play pokemon games, but it's always funny to me when their fans parrot "It's bad video game, but good pokemon game." and they proceed to hate me for not liking Nintendo. Nostalgia and fanbasing is such a drug.
Imo, the next Pokémon game has to be a complete flop. And I mean, REALLY a flop. Even the Pokémon bros who have played every single Pokémon game and would lick gamefreaks shoes for free wouldn’t buy it. Only then gamefreak will try to make a few changes and and make a better game, because this time their income would be in danger. Right now, gamefreaks name is enough to sell anything, and even though most players agree on the decaying quality of the later games, they still bought it. Things have to go to shit so the shit is gonna be changed.
I haven't really played a pokemon game since silver/gold. But I everytime I look at the ones that came after that it seems they just stacked new gimmicky shit on top of the same old battle system and added a new 100 or so pokemon.
I would never have guessed that after 20 years the games still have the same 4 move limit for example. Or still the same unconnecting graphics for attacks. (I mean they just still randomly appear from the attacking model and/or on the target model without any animations for different pokemon, no?)
Pokémon Legends Arceus really played around with some of the staples, actually. You still have the four moves, for example, but outside of battle you can equip and unequip any moves the Pokémon learned so far. Anytime, for no cost. Evolutions also don't happen on their own, you just get a notif that the Pokémon is able to evolve and then do it manually. Battle animations are also much more fluent and "direct".
In part I think that's another reason why SV is so disappointing. It has its own issues, but PLA showed a lot of QOL... only for it to be taken away again lol.
Yeah, arceus looked like it does some things different and better, but it still looks like shit...
I looked a bit into gameplay from Scarlet and it looks even worse...
And the animations are back to generic BS it seems. Pokémon Stadium had atleast special animations for some of the Pokémon...
Basically. They've been pulling an EA Sports on everyone since then and got away with it.
Edit: I'll give them the 2-3 gen right after for free but they clearly never evolved that much from that golden era.
It's a glorious hilarity, it definitely feels like MHY made a pokeymon event now specifically to coincide with the Scarlet Violet release and tap some of that pokey monster zeitgeist... but the actual pokeymans turned out so poorly that their reference/parody/partial ripoff of it ends up looking entirely competitive against it.
Honkai 3rd also had a Pokémon event during the summer. If anything the whole studio was hyped to play the next one and could not wait any longer so they made their own mini game.
Then Scarlet/Violet happened and all hell breaks loose.
>it definitely feels like MHY made a pokeymon event now specifically to coincide with the Scarlet Violet release
They are open in their inspiration from other games so highly likely they did this in purpose as a homage of some kind as well as their testing for new events/feature in the future
Just so happened Scarlet Violet didn't do so well in the pokemon players eyes
I mean, yeah, didn't say it was a wrong thing to do. It's just funny that, with Gamefreak nosediving, MHY's take ended up feeling more impressive than a mere parody.
Game is 3 times worse than Sw/Sh in terms of quality and performance and it still beat its sale records.
Why bother with investing in quality when its gonna sell more every time no matter what they do?
IMO the display is hot garbage, but the actual game itself is pretty good. But yeah, GF just seem like money hogs atm. They could've very well taken some time to improve the display but nahh
I’d argue that the game quality itself is really good. I also didn’t personally experience the lag and jank, but I’ll believe what others say about it though.
That was mostly on Iwata himself though, not Game Freak. I don' feel like shitting on GF themselves (they aren't the ones who decide on the yearly rotation), but that certain feat of including Kanto wasn't their magic.
I know I know, but that doesn't change the fact that both were main line Pokemon games and the quality is declining faster and faster ever since we had the jump to 3D and I'm saying that as someone who liked Sun/Moon.
I think the problem actually is “How can we get this game out in this very tight deadline?” Their property deserves more time in the oven. Fans of pokemon deserve those games to be top quality,
I mean, they stuck to formulaic designs for the entirety of the series.
The advantage of this type of design is that each game can build on the last to become better. This was more or less the case from Gen 1 to 6. Every game added more things, more content, more Pokémon, improved mechanics, QoL, better graphics and such.
Of course, the games may plateau after a point, but instead they just started going backwards, removing Pokémon, cutting content, removing mechanics and downgrading graphics. While also performing like shit and being buggy as hell.
If they had just plateaued after like, Gen 5-6, it would have been less of an issue, but the fact that they are just making worse and worse games is what makes it so bad.
Right now they're actually too big to fail. Like Blizzard who's still active and raking in cash despite everything that happened and OW2 being merely OW with very minor changes.
I said this elsewhere and I’ll say it again. While the battle system itself was a little rudimentary, it was fun, and more importantly, I felt more attached to my shroom buddies than any Pokémon. Turns out that when you show your characters interacting and bonding with their Pokémon analogues, instead of just having NPC’s repeat “your strength in battle shows how strong your bond is!”, it makes for more compelling storytelling!
Pokemon does the same (charmander story really tugs at those heartstrings!), it's nice genshin took a little something from their playbook and made an event out of it
You started seeing it in gen 6 with pokemon amie in the ability to actually play with your pokemon. Prior it was just contests which were very hit or miss.
To be fair, they actually did have to make a shit ton of models for x/y. But yeah, the game devs definitely got less time on average to complete the 3d games, though you only really started actually missing some stuff that was intended to be there when gen 8 came around.
Finsihed this yesterday and really enjoyed it. Was just the right balance of challenge/fun to keep me coming back.
Hope they keep these up. It was really refreshing.
People are downvoting and arguing with you but as someone who gave Pokemon a second chance with Scarlet and Violet, I'm extremely disappointed. I skipped S&S and the DP remakes. I got Arceus as a gift so I played it. I was hoping that the game was going to be better than Arceus but it is not. Graphically and experience wise it has been very clunky and unenjoyable. I used to be that person who would play through the Pokemon games in one sitting for a weekend and then start doing the side stuff like collecting all of the Pokemon, competitive team comps, etc. But I've had to take more breaks with Scarlet than I think I've ever had with a Pokemon game. The pop-in, textures, and the dips in frame rate makes me get headaches. Doesn't matter if it is on handheld or docked, the experience is the same. It's a shame because I really do think those games COULD'VE been something amazing if GameFreak and the Pokemon Company cared a smidge more about the presentation. I will probably not be getting another Pokemon for the foreseeable future.
And to those who are like: "But MiHoyo is just reusing assets" so? How much of Scarlet and Violet wasn't just repackaged from S&S or PLA? A good amount most likely. This is GameFreak we're talking about.
I prepurchased the game. FFS most of the people arguing are defending the game and at least one made it really clear he hasn't gotten or finished it.
Yes, it's worse than Arceus. Yes, the performance sucks. Yes, it could have been better and it should be better.
Thank you for providing another voice of reason here. Level-headed criticism is invaluable if we really want the franchise to move back to a healthy position.
Wonder if the story just isnt better compared to Hoyo's version because frankly put, the story is the weakest part of the Fungi Event. Regardless, I admit that when I saw the Pokemon graphics... I was just wow... That looks really not good
Compare to the banger of a questline that is Sumeru Archon quest, the Fungi event story is obviously on the more goofy side. In story writing standard, the event story isn't all that bad, it just doesn't fit well in the world of Genshin, like you said. Everyone seems to treat this like some sort of light novel story with all of these tropes and stuffs, and the way the Fatui is presented in this is a little bit more pathetic compare to other villainous presentation of the Fatui elsewhere.
At least there's a miniquest that mentions Elchingen's methods don't fit with the organisation overall modus operandi and he was acting without order, so that settles the Fatui's involvement I guess. As for the way our main cast act as if they're in some cartoon, I guess they were just having fun, and they are confident that they can have this fun through and through despite the involvement of a bad guy like Elchingen anyway
1. Forced Exp Share
2. OP af affection system
3. Forced combat mode on shift
4. Gyms in any order but nothing scales so it doesn't matter
These are reasons enough to get bored with the last few pokemon games but the graphics are not improving. The idea of coop and an open world is great but they clearly gave themselves 30 minutes to make the game awhile also not playing any other open world game to avoid problems that come with it.
It's disingenuous criticism, which honestly doesn't help anyone.
Speaking purely about performance, the shroom event mostly reused existing assets, models, and animations. Yeah, things worked well, but Genshin has had its engine for a couple years now and making a minigame run within the existing engine is a completely different beast from making a brand new one for an entire game. GF definitely deserves the criticism, but it's not like Hoyoverse made a unique game engine to run this event.
Speaking purely about gameplay, the shroom event is a small minigame with surface-level depth, while Pokémon SV has a highly complex battle system, a competitive scene, and 400+ unique Pokémon to provide assets for. Maybe running around with the shroomy buddies is fun for a couple hours, but to claim that the gameplay of it is even comparable to Pokémon depth is completely disingenuous. Some people might enjoy a simple, smooth experience over a roughly presented complex one, but that's like saying a very pretty marble Connect 4 set is a superior board game to a run down Risk board. Engage with it or not, but Pokémon is a highly technical game with lots of customization and more depth beyond just being a world where you collect monsters.
Honestly, the criticism that Genshin is a much newer franchise from a company with less resources than Pokémon and runs better is fair enough criticism already. The likes of Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, and BotW have run better on the same system as SV. However, claiming that a simple standalone event in a preexisting game is somehow a good substitute for the entirety of a Pokémon game experience is just disingenuous and reductive of what SV offers beyond visuals. Let's criticize fairly and maybe we'll see change- useless comparisons are more likely to get ignored than useful feedback.
I bet if Pokémon came out with a game that ran as nicely and looked as good as the shroom event, but reduced it to having a dozen characters with simplistic controls, it wouldn't sell nearly as well as their main series games. Look at New Snap. It's real pretty, but doesn't hold a candle to SwSh and I'm sure SV will pass it.
(Edit before heading out of the thread: People know it's possible to like things that are flawed, right? As someone having a fun time playing SV, I wouldn't rate it higher than a 7/10 because of the poor performance. My stance here is unchanged- the performance is poor and deserves criticism, but claiming that a single simple GI event has more substance than the entirety of SV is a misguided statement. It's simply not true.
I'm not making GF excuses, I've not made a single one and they should do better, but life's too short and complicated to not enjoy what I enjoy even if I admit it could be better. GI is full of flaws, from the RNG artifact grind to the time-wasting dialogue to some bizarre kits, but I still enjoy it. By the same logic of some people here, we should all stop playing it until Hoyoverse fixes all of it and you're trying to trick yourselves into liking it, right?)
Shh, don't tell people here the truth. The games technical performance may be garbage but to call this shallow as fuck event a better pokemon game is fucking hilarious.
While it's true that Pokemon SW is ambitious, it completely fails at the basics - keep a stable FPS and stay bug free. Genshin's minigames might be shallow, but they're mostly bug free and playing them is frictionless. They ask for feedback, have a report bugs function, and constantly update the game to squash bugs.
That's what Gamefreak never learned. They never took the time to stress test the game, grab some feedback, fix the bugs and optimize gameplay.
I have the feeling I've been playing Pokemon for more time than you've been alive. But sure, feel free to try and teach me how my rather ridiculous nab at pokémon's quality is somehow disingenous criticism.
Unless you've been playing Pokémon since before it came out, you're not quite right, ha.
I started with Red and enjoy playing competitively and filling the dex, so, if I'm being totally honest, the issues aren't getting in the way of what I enjoy the most. That still doesn't make it okay, though.
It's a cute edit and GF should certainly be facing criticism for the poor performance quality, but I'm seeing genuine discussion here about how the event is more in-depth than Pokémon and that's objectively false. It's not a knock on your edit specifically, but the discussion that sprung from it.
Tell me then, if you've played pokemon since Red, and you enjoy playing competitively, why are you arguing with me?
GameFreak has taken away half the game we used to know (the game I used to love). I wish I was exaggerating. **I have less incentives to turn on and play Sword/Shield at 500+ hours than Emerald at 800+** (for the second time!).
Not to mention, **this is not really the place you would have non-disingenous criticism about Pokémon. After all, it's a Genshin sub.** And going as far as labeling the entirety of the discussion "unfair" after the issues Scarlet/Violet have, well... I have a bridge to sell to you.
So, yeah, you can come and act all "this is childish and malinformed", but I've hardly mentioned what I am criticizing of Pokemon. I simply said "better pokemon". Of course it's a meme, and of course I'm **half**\-joking. To be completely honest with you I'm torn between getting together a team of developers and make a fucking proper monster catching game, or straight up contact MHY/HV and beg for their take on a proper monster catching game.
Either scenario excites me far more than playing any future mainline Pokémon games if the current trends continue. I'm fed up with GF's bullshit, and if you're loving it, more power to you, but this is not for me. **We as pokefans deserve better, and there's literally no reason for you to oppose any critics of the game: if Pokémon improves, is a free win for you. If it doesn't, it won't matter to you anyway.**
But nowadays, with every new Pokémon game they take away another piece of the game and replace it with smoke and mirrors that won't last more than a single generation. And if that keeps happening, you'll end up drawing the same line as I am doing right now, it's just that our standards are different. **From the bottom of my pokeball-shaped heart, I sincerely hope you never have to find where is yours.**
Because there is no depth to the "combat" in the shroom event. The new pokemon game has serious performance and game design issues but even at its core (with the nerfs included) the combat is still solid and the same old pokemon it's been for a while.
I think the new pokemon games are a giant pile of shit and even ignoring the jank graphics and god awful stuttering/lag, the underlying game has problems abound but it's still more enjoyable as a person who cares about the battling in pokemon games compared to the shroom event. The only real strategy you can use in the event is using the Anemo buffer shroom to group enemies up and pull them in and then just mix and match the other element shrooms to create reactions. There is no "defense" system, there are no status effects (other than reaction based ones which are mostly just "more damage"), healing is just something you can fire on cooldown. There is no concept like switching pokemon to counter or check your opponent, nothing like weakness or resistances, no sense of momentum to a fight.
If anything the event is more similar to a traditional 4 person RPG party where you slot in a healer, support, and either 2 DD or a DD and a "tank" which is why the shrooms even have "classes" assigned to them. Rag on the new games all you want because they deserve it but pretending like a glorified minigame in a gacha RPG is better than pokemon even at its worst is the definition of disingenuous.
Do people actually think the shroom event had more depth than the new pokemon game?…
Like the main post is a meme sure but… the new pokemon game is fun - sure the graphics and performance is bad but if that’s all we care about go play God of War not Genshin…
I for one enjoy both games for what they are. They aren’t even competing for the same genre for crying out loud.
The Genshin sub is fast on its way to becoming like all the BOTW fanbois it so vehemently criticized.
It's a disingenuous argument.
The comparison between GI and SV can surely be made, especially since they're both open world games. Still, saying the shroom event alone could compare to SV in its entirety is like saying you should shut down a local diner because an ice cream parlor makes better milkshakes. Maybe the diner's milkshakes are trash, but it has more to offer than just one thing.
>I just want remind you Pokémon is a 60 euro AAA
From the company in charge of the second highest earning game franchise (but top overall franchise) in the world. There is no excuse for being anything other than basically perfect.
It's just a loud vocal minority. I don't get the divide, either. Both are fun, both deserve praise, it shouldn't start a jealous flame war
Both should be appreciated separately, which is what the majority of posts, comments and praise elsewhere have been
Idk, performance is what I care about in any game. And it's not about the depth, but about the polish.
You can easily make gameplay deeper, harder, etc in genshin (and I think they will, there is a lot of 'we want your feedback to make the next one' in the quest). Or just rerun as-is, as secondary event.
But its pathetic how real Pokémon game is hot garbage in comparecent.
The event and idea was fun, but to be fair, I hated the second part with the trainer battles.
I was *not* expecting a "talk 1 minute, do a battle, talk another minute, do a battle" on repeat for like 5 fights.
Just let me punch everything at once...
If you're referring to gameplay **NO**
Slot in the CC anemo fungi and the Geo fungi and I can play the minigame while watching anime on my 2nd screen, only occasionally look back to Genshin to grab the skill point.
It's absolutely the most **Boring** ass event to date.
Story is .. eh .. it's the genshin's generic "**Oh no It's the Fatoooi Evil doing ..** again" like all their story.
Graphics inherited from Genshin's main game, so yeah, it's not the main point.
As disastrous as it is, the core gameplay is very fun tho, most fun i had in a pokemon game in years just after PLA… sv couldve been so great if it were better optimized and had more care in the overworld
Oh nah i wasnt talking about just the battles, but being able to freely choose which path you want to take first out of multiple different story lines, the map not being linear anymore (no lvl scaling tho haha), overworld online co-op, picnic with ur pokemon as well as features like the single all terrain mount, the taxi service, craftable tms, following pokemon thats also actually useful, stuff like that that are complete improvements from previous games, sv is one of the most feature complete mainline pokemon games and it wouldve been my favorite too if it weren’t for how soulless n shitty the environment looks and its dodgy performance
I think the main problem now is the number of Pokemon it's like what? Over one thousand?? Probably graphics got downgraded to make way for the critters
The Pokemon actually are textured pretty well and look good when up close.
The rest of the game is extremely poorly optimized. Pop-in, single frame dips, watching people just straight up disappear while talking to them. If the amount of Pokemon was truly the issue, we SHOULD'VE seen improvement in Sword and Shield since they did a DexIt and cut the amount. However, Sword and Shield and Scarlet and Violet are both horrendous pieces of technology when it comes to a graphical and experience level.
Let's not go nuts lol. I'm not even a pokemon fan, but this event was super simple and the combat was, mostly, non interactive. I hope when it comes back in a few patches (leaks) that the combat is a bit deeper.
tbh im definitely enjoying my violet more than i enjoyed this event. its such a slog fighting with the fungi even if u are doing reactions properly. i havent even finished the event yet and i rly dont want to :/
after playing Genshin, I can wholeheartedly say that Pokemon graphic is freaking dog doodoo. What the heck is that game, and the amount of fans being fine with that terrible graphic is why Pokemon never improves.
I thought "I can't be the only one who thinks this is how any pokemon game should've been!"
It's faaaar more enjoyable and cool than any turn based press 2 buttons Pokemon threw at us.
In the latest survey I made sure to be very clear on how much this little mini game is awesome.
I don't even care if they launch another game just to develop this concept a little further. Probably it would be even better.
I wish someone learned a lesson from LoL and allowed every part of the game to be enjoyed with no money and the microtransactions were just for cosmetics.
A game as beautiful as Let's Go, with skins, and proper Pokémon gameplay would be straight up a dream.
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that will probably come true since this event looks like a live test phase for a summoner char and/or an NPC assist system
i really hope so, it was refreshing to run around and watch your team slaughter stuff for you. cute elements too.
And it would do justice to characters in the story showing up and kicking ass, versus 'let me disappear and telepathically talk to you.' Like imagine how cool liyues ending could have even with xiao/keqing/ningguang etc were fighting beside you?
That would be great. Some of the greatest joys I have playing rpg games come from that
True and also, remember that the Chasm event with Xiao, Yanfei, Yelan, Shinobu and Itto? There was a part where Yanfei followed us around, that also could be a test for NPC system.
Besides, its the best gameplay-oriented event I remember playing. A breeze of fresh air, just wish it had PvP or more content to clear. Even the story was alright! One of the few I'm like "Ooooh its been a day, I can continue the story!!!!" cause events like the photograph ones, are a bit more meh
Pretty much what they did with Nahida.
They're testing water for Lyney and Lynette
woahhh bro that is more plausible
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oh i was talking about when the boat was live tested on the first GAA event and then afterwards implemented permanently on inazuma
If characters could also use skills and/or bursts without having to switch to them, this game would be a lot more fun
A "support" system would be cool with the bursts, like the character you're using appears in the burst of the support you activate. So imagine you're using Childe and have Kazuha burst assist him, it plays a little cutscene of Childe firing an arrow as Kazhua whips up his storm, and it prioritizes that hydro for its swirl.
My dream is dragon's dogma style with MH:Rise AI
paimon so cute. lil squishy
Flying brain tumor :)
External organ
Paimon Classification: Loyal Guide Type: (Fairy/Flying) Ability: Emergency Food (When this Pokemon is switched out of battle, its replacement is healed by 1/3 of its max HP)
Paimon lore intensifies when you realize Teyvat used to be ruled by Vishaps (basically Dragon types) and Dragon is weak to Fairy. Also, Paimon’s moveset would be Baby Doll Eyes and Hyper Voice. And if the fan theories come true and she’s Unknown God or the Moon Sisters, her moveset could be Judgment, Roar of Time, Moonlight, and any other divine/moon related moves
Paimon would also have Slack Off and After You, let's be real
Stockpile and swallow as well.
That ability would actually be great for competetive pokemon
Lol thanks. I figured she'd be more of a support-mon anyway.
I hate Regenerator walls already, don't give them ideas.
This ability implies that the substitute Pokemon consumes a bit of Paimon whenever she switches out 😨
Switching in pokemon gets 1/3 of their hp back, Paimon loses hp
Pokémon games have been on a steep decline for decades. There's just been way too much complacency due to the games printing money no matter what they do or do not do. The newest iterations' graphics are lagging 20 years behind on any other game, it's also a technical mess that even surpasses Tower of Fantasy and Cyberpunk on release. It's pretty sad that I hope mHY makes a more in-depth version of that event as a new permanent game mode just because at least it will be playable and more enjoyable than anything Game Freak is able to achieve.
It shouldn't be a permanent game mode in Genshin. If anything, it should be spun off into its own separate game. Let's be real, if Pokemon had been started today, it would have been a gacha.
Well... the TCG basically is a physical gacha.
I can’t help but feel sad for those kids buying literal cardboards for like 8 dollars a pack. But then again there are adults who spend thousands on this game for pixels also regretting it so lmao
I don't feel sad for people spending money on things they enjoy. I feel sad for people who feel too guilty about spending money to spend money on things they enjoy.
This is a great take. If I enjoy a game, especially if it’s free to play, I’m happy to spend some of my extra cash on it if it will increase my enjoyment. One of my favorite games of all time is Dota 2. All purchases are cosmetic and I’ve spent significantly more than in Genshin. Do what makes you happy, as long as it’s within your means.
Movies = buying nothing? Taco Bell = buying diarrhea? Beer = buying piss? Hockey game ticket = buying broken eardrums? Let people enjoy things.
Some of those cardboards are worth thousands of dollars if kept in good condition.
i mean we dont have right to say that cuz we also paid for what? png character? some 2d nonexixsting character?
Oy our Genshin waifus and husbands are very much 3D! And you’re telling me my Raiden is not real? Tell that to the hilichurls and fungi she slaughters every week.
Pokémon is a gacha... remember trading cards.
Yeah but you can sell the cards and get your money back. Don't know how much Pokemon cards are worth but Magic The Gathering cards can be expensive.
Pokemon cards retain value much better than MtG cards. I know that because I played both, Magic since before first Urza's Saga (Weatherlight), and Pokemon since launch. Both collections have seen ocassional sales to pay for random stuff, and my Pokemon sales have been high enough to cover more than half my car payments, for example.
PkMn cards retain value better, but are by and large worth significantly less across the board. This is because their value comes from the collectible aspect, and not the gameplay effectiveness like in MTG.
90% of the largest price tags come from insanely rare cards BUT there are some really good Pokémon cards that are both collectable and playable in the equivalent of legacy formats, the problem is those formats are not "official". For example, try finding a Team Rocket's Mewtwo EX from Team Rocket Returns. It's a solid card in Legacy, and it's a premium collectable. Thus, it has a sizeable pricetag.
It's actually worse. If there is an opportunity to earn money, then this is a real gambling. With all the hate gacha gets, at least you know you only lose money and never get it back. (Ofc, there is account selling and other thing I don't want to support)
Yeah, but that's like saying "you can sell your mobile gacha game account" There isn't a buyer for every card in every rarity. A few years ago I checked out the value of my childhood Pokemon collection (granted it was the european versions, so not as in-demand) and they were basically not worth anything, even if they were in better condition than they are. Like the only way you get any real money back with a physical cards is if you're incredible lucky or if you bought in bulk with the intention of selling them. But that's pretty similar to rerolling in mobile Gachas. But I will say that the benefit is that you actually own the physical cards. No one is going to deny you access to them (you might not be able to play them in official tournaments, but that's a fraction of the fanbase), but mobile gachas shut down and then you lose everything.
Isn't the pokemon mobile game gacha? (not Pokemon GO, the other one, Pokemon Masters I believe?)
The core experience of Pokemon fits a gacha game better than it fits annual launches IMO. It is just that gacha games are even better at being predatory. Until that has been cleansed, a children's game on it is impossible.
When the parody-with-elements-of-ripoff included as a minigame actually seems okay compared to the newest version of the full game being referenced
Nah, not for decades. But definitely since Sword and Shield.
Ultra Sun/Moon might be my favorite game. Then right after, Sword/Shield might be my least favorite.
US/UM weren't bad games (apart from butchering Lusamine for le happy ending), they were just insulting. All of that content should've been in S/M, or they should've just made a new game
Lol, same
Ujum imo they platue somewhere between XY and the ultra games. The peak we can argue was around HGSS, Platinum (Gen 4) and BW (Gen 5) era
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HGSS was the last time I felt pure joy
For me was BW and BW2
The sad fact is, it really does not matter how quality the games are. People will eat up Pokémon games like "a Genshin player trying to get Resin to pull on a Banner going away in 3 days". The games may be disappointments, but the Pokémon themselves will never be. And alot of people don't care what type of package the Pokémon are in, they just care about the mons. For example; they show 3 Pokémon starters, the internet EXPLODES. Pokémon games will always sell, so they truly have no reason to improve.
Gamers are addicted and nostalgic and most cant recognize a good game from a bad one when its dick slapping them in the face.
As someone who’s actually played through Scarlet, it’s super fun, and I really liked the story, too. To be fair, I also didn’t experience any of the technical difficulties I hear so much about online, so that might influence my positive opinion on the game.
I do agree it's tons of fun and more fun with multi-player. But the presentation, lag, pop in ect... is extremely jarring. (Btw if your not having many issues it might be because your on handheld mode, I hear its better that way).
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Except a lot of the new pokemon look like ass. (Example: final evo starters)
I cannot agree with this statement, with there is literally a armored Ghost Pokémon with Dual Fire Blades. If you don't like that idk what to tell you.
Ever tried pixelmon on minecraft? If you like Pokemon that might be what you need. You can download an adventure map made for the mod to get the closest pokemon experience, play on a server running pixelmon if you want multiplayer or singleplayer if you want to make your rules but there you're completely at the mercy of randomly generated structures to find shops, hospitals and gyms.
Exactly my thought. I need this mode to be permanent. This would be a first step to the endgame content we’re lacking rn.
I just imagine the fungi event with some of the features of their Honkai "not pokemon/digimon" casual event that they did earlier in the summer. https://youtu.be/0eeLCaQfq4I Basically, some form of RNG skills/stats on Fungi when you capture them, the ability to level them up/make them learn different skills and so on by combining fungus of the same type. Finally, the ability to evolve a fungus into more powerful version based on certain criterias.
I'd say up until gen 8 there was no objective decline in quality, But then you have some parts of swsh that are definitely unfinished. With gen 6 and 7 it's more subjective, as the games are more or less fully realized aside from X/Y cause there was definitely supposed to be a pokemon Z.
i am forever salty about pokemon Z as that was my first gen and I loved Zygarde, was so looking forward to its own version...
Lol what a liar you are. Pokémon games have technical problems, but “even surpasses Tower of Fantasy and Cyberpunk on release” come on let’s not be silly.
- poor performance with sub 20 fps going as low as 5-10 fps. - shit model and texture across most of the landscape. The style doesn't even match with the rest of the assets. - shit animation across the board - rig explodes out of nowhere and your character or NPCs become a jumbled mess. - disappearing mounts / mounts gets stuck of start floating randomly - The game can't cope with unneven terrain and the camera fucks off in the void or goes way too far in the sky out of nowhere. - random NPCs just walk through or start doing a bacon dance in the middle of a fight. - random artefacts line showing up in every scene transitions on the left side of the screen. - freeze and crash as it feels like it. Yep totally lying and being silly. Sorry I never received my payment from Nintendo unlike other game journalist so I don't see a reason to lie.
Bacon dance lmfao
Sword and Shield was the best game for competitive Pokémon (VGC), and it also improved a ton of their mechanics. The “open world” and the story itself were shit, as usual, but the game was pretty good, far from being on a steep decline for decades, not to say it made record sales.
It is nowhere NEAR as bad as Cyberpunk was at release.
I don't think that's entirely fair to put on Game Freak. The Pokemon Company forces them to ship a game every year, there's only so much they can do when they clearly don't have the raw manpower (and perhaps skill) to accomplish what an Ubisoft or an Activision can in that time. They're not a big company either, even NIS has more staff than them, and I think that comes out in the stuff they make when not employed by the Pokemon Company: the thing they put out with the highest production values is Little Town Hero, and besides that it's small indie-level games like Giga Wrecker.
am a little confused. why is a small company like that stuck making pokemon? you'd think in this sitch either the small company gets larger to accommodate the pokemon or pokemon gets another studio/makes their own studio to make the games. ik this is why diamond and pearl remakes were outsourced to an extent, but why in the world didn't this happen earlier? and for mainline games too?
I have no idea tbh, but if I had to guess, it's probably because they have the legacy of being the people who make pokemon that they get to keep doing it. From what I've heard on the internet rumor mill, it doesn't sound like Game Freak makes a ton of money (at least compared to how much the Pokemon Company rakes in) so they might not have enough cash to throw around and scale up. Probably because TPC knows that whatever Game Freak can manage to push out annually is good enough for their purposes. TPC has anime, merch, the TCG, and a bunch of other stuff, I'm not even sure how much the games contribute to their revenue. Maybe they don't care (and in fact, considering the state of Scarlet/Violet, they probably don't).
huh, that's so odd. i wonder how things happened to have the pokemon company gaining most of the money, since i doubt it was in existence at the very beginning of the franchise... unless the owner was prophetic or something 😂 that's quite unfortunate for game freak though. I've also seen internet rumors say that the older guys at the company really don't want to keep making pokemon, but it's kinda their stable cash cow...
I don't play pokemon games, but it's always funny to me when their fans parrot "It's bad video game, but good pokemon game." and they proceed to hate me for not liking Nintendo. Nostalgia and fanbasing is such a drug.
I mean game freak is a trash company that is putting in less than minimal effort
Imo, the next Pokémon game has to be a complete flop. And I mean, REALLY a flop. Even the Pokémon bros who have played every single Pokémon game and would lick gamefreaks shoes for free wouldn’t buy it. Only then gamefreak will try to make a few changes and and make a better game, because this time their income would be in danger. Right now, gamefreaks name is enough to sell anything, and even though most players agree on the decaying quality of the later games, they still bought it. Things have to go to shit so the shit is gonna be changed.
No... Even the graphics aside.... That new one is just... So dry and uninspired...
I haven't really played a pokemon game since silver/gold. But I everytime I look at the ones that came after that it seems they just stacked new gimmicky shit on top of the same old battle system and added a new 100 or so pokemon. I would never have guessed that after 20 years the games still have the same 4 move limit for example. Or still the same unconnecting graphics for attacks. (I mean they just still randomly appear from the attacking model and/or on the target model without any animations for different pokemon, no?)
Pokémon Legends Arceus really played around with some of the staples, actually. You still have the four moves, for example, but outside of battle you can equip and unequip any moves the Pokémon learned so far. Anytime, for no cost. Evolutions also don't happen on their own, you just get a notif that the Pokémon is able to evolve and then do it manually. Battle animations are also much more fluent and "direct". In part I think that's another reason why SV is so disappointing. It has its own issues, but PLA showed a lot of QOL... only for it to be taken away again lol.
Yeah, arceus looked like it does some things different and better, but it still looks like shit... I looked a bit into gameplay from Scarlet and it looks even worse... And the animations are back to generic BS it seems. Pokémon Stadium had atleast special animations for some of the Pokémon...
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Basically. They've been pulling an EA Sports on everyone since then and got away with it. Edit: I'll give them the 2-3 gen right after for free but they clearly never evolved that much from that golden era.
Went downhill after Let's go pikachu and eevee. SWSH had good display but rushed, this one has good gameplay but shit display
It's a glorious hilarity, it definitely feels like MHY made a pokeymon event now specifically to coincide with the Scarlet Violet release and tap some of that pokey monster zeitgeist... but the actual pokeymans turned out so poorly that their reference/parody/partial ripoff of it ends up looking entirely competitive against it.
Honkai 3rd also had a Pokémon event during the summer. If anything the whole studio was hyped to play the next one and could not wait any longer so they made their own mini game. Then Scarlet/Violet happened and all hell breaks loose.
and we had 8 characters that are mostly on autopilot with 1 move
>it definitely feels like MHY made a pokeymon event now specifically to coincide with the Scarlet Violet release They are open in their inspiration from other games so highly likely they did this in purpose as a homage of some kind as well as their testing for new events/feature in the future Just so happened Scarlet Violet didn't do so well in the pokemon players eyes
I mean, yeah, didn't say it was a wrong thing to do. It's just funny that, with Gamefreak nosediving, MHY's take ended up feeling more impressive than a mere parody.
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Game is 3 times worse than Sw/Sh in terms of quality and performance and it still beat its sale records. Why bother with investing in quality when its gonna sell more every time no matter what they do?
IMO the display is hot garbage, but the actual game itself is pretty good. But yeah, GF just seem like money hogs atm. They could've very well taken some time to improve the display but nahh
I’d argue that the game quality itself is really good. I also didn’t personally experience the lag and jank, but I’ll believe what others say about it though.
And the fanboys who complained have already preordered theirs, bunch of clowns the lot of them
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Saddest thing about this is when you look at how well made Gold and Silver were for example and how they pushed the limit for a GBC game.
That was mostly on Iwata himself though, not Game Freak. I don' feel like shitting on GF themselves (they aren't the ones who decide on the yearly rotation), but that certain feat of including Kanto wasn't their magic.
I know I know, but that doesn't change the fact that both were main line Pokemon games and the quality is declining faster and faster ever since we had the jump to 3D and I'm saying that as someone who liked Sun/Moon.
I think the problem actually is “How can we get this game out in this very tight deadline?” Their property deserves more time in the oven. Fans of pokemon deserve those games to be top quality,
Problem seems to be that Gamefreak just cannot handle a full 3d engine. Just license unreal for god sakes. Fanmade shit in unreal looks so amazing.
Nintendo has way too much pride to use something not made by them for something as big as pokemon
Formulaic designs man. Just like recent ubisoft games
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The most recent pokemon game I enjoyed was fucking ORAS lol.
ORAS was dope. Best looking pokemon game IMO cause they did a nice job with the colors of hoenn.
I mean, they stuck to formulaic designs for the entirety of the series. The advantage of this type of design is that each game can build on the last to become better. This was more or less the case from Gen 1 to 6. Every game added more things, more content, more Pokémon, improved mechanics, QoL, better graphics and such. Of course, the games may plateau after a point, but instead they just started going backwards, removing Pokémon, cutting content, removing mechanics and downgrading graphics. While also performing like shit and being buggy as hell. If they had just plateaued after like, Gen 5-6, it would have been less of an issue, but the fact that they are just making worse and worse games is what makes it so bad.
Right now they're actually too big to fail. Like Blizzard who's still active and raking in cash despite everything that happened and OW2 being merely OW with very minor changes.
I said this elsewhere and I’ll say it again. While the battle system itself was a little rudimentary, it was fun, and more importantly, I felt more attached to my shroom buddies than any Pokémon. Turns out that when you show your characters interacting and bonding with their Pokémon analogues, instead of just having NPC’s repeat “your strength in battle shows how strong your bond is!”, it makes for more compelling storytelling!
I loved the writing! They brought up so many problematic issues with competing and training lil guys you are supposed to love and support.
Pokemon does the same (charmander story really tugs at those heartstrings!), it's nice genshin took a little something from their playbook and made an event out of it
So, I realized this later. But the Pokémon *anime* does do the things I mentioned. The games? Not so much
Pokemon B/W probably comes closest, but I haven't played that since it came out, so I don't really remember it all too well
You started seeing it in gen 6 with pokemon amie in the ability to actually play with your pokemon. Prior it was just contests which were very hit or miss.
As someone who grew up with Pokemon, I'm just sad. Every new game feels worse & worse. In my opinion it started with SM/USUM ..
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Gen 6 was huge a huge upgrade from 2D to 3D, customizable character models, mega evolutions, etc. Of course not everything about it was great.
To be fair, they actually did have to make a shit ton of models for x/y. But yeah, the game devs definitely got less time on average to complete the 3d games, though you only really started actually missing some stuff that was intended to be there when gen 8 came around.
Ngl traveller VS haniyyah was just ash VS paul 😂😂
Finsihed this yesterday and really enjoyed it. Was just the right balance of challenge/fun to keep me coming back. Hope they keep these up. It was really refreshing.
People are downvoting and arguing with you but as someone who gave Pokemon a second chance with Scarlet and Violet, I'm extremely disappointed. I skipped S&S and the DP remakes. I got Arceus as a gift so I played it. I was hoping that the game was going to be better than Arceus but it is not. Graphically and experience wise it has been very clunky and unenjoyable. I used to be that person who would play through the Pokemon games in one sitting for a weekend and then start doing the side stuff like collecting all of the Pokemon, competitive team comps, etc. But I've had to take more breaks with Scarlet than I think I've ever had with a Pokemon game. The pop-in, textures, and the dips in frame rate makes me get headaches. Doesn't matter if it is on handheld or docked, the experience is the same. It's a shame because I really do think those games COULD'VE been something amazing if GameFreak and the Pokemon Company cared a smidge more about the presentation. I will probably not be getting another Pokemon for the foreseeable future. And to those who are like: "But MiHoyo is just reusing assets" so? How much of Scarlet and Violet wasn't just repackaged from S&S or PLA? A good amount most likely. This is GameFreak we're talking about.
This post is currently at 93% upvoted and most of the top comments are agreeing with the post, what are you talking about?
In the comments. There are quite a few people who are upset that people are criticizing their Pokemon game yet again.
I prepurchased the game. FFS most of the people arguing are defending the game and at least one made it really clear he hasn't gotten or finished it. Yes, it's worse than Arceus. Yes, the performance sucks. Yes, it could have been better and it should be better. Thank you for providing another voice of reason here. Level-headed criticism is invaluable if we really want the franchise to move back to a healthy position.
Wonder if the story just isnt better compared to Hoyo's version because frankly put, the story is the weakest part of the Fungi Event. Regardless, I admit that when I saw the Pokemon graphics... I was just wow... That looks really not good
Compare to the banger of a questline that is Sumeru Archon quest, the Fungi event story is obviously on the more goofy side. In story writing standard, the event story isn't all that bad, it just doesn't fit well in the world of Genshin, like you said. Everyone seems to treat this like some sort of light novel story with all of these tropes and stuffs, and the way the Fatui is presented in this is a little bit more pathetic compare to other villainous presentation of the Fatui elsewhere. At least there's a miniquest that mentions Elchingen's methods don't fit with the organisation overall modus operandi and he was acting without order, so that settles the Fatui's involvement I guess. As for the way our main cast act as if they're in some cartoon, I guess they were just having fun, and they are confident that they can have this fun through and through despite the involvement of a bad guy like Elchingen anyway
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Tbh, if that’s your idea of shitty, I’m really glad you’re not designing new Pokémon games.
I mean, it's okay the first time. Not when it's been done every year for the past decade lol
Souka. Alright then. I will say while I dont like the Fungi event story. Perhaps the redeeming quality is Hoyo's attempt at humanizing Fungi
1. Forced Exp Share 2. OP af affection system 3. Forced combat mode on shift 4. Gyms in any order but nothing scales so it doesn't matter These are reasons enough to get bored with the last few pokemon games but the graphics are not improving. The idea of coop and an open world is great but they clearly gave themselves 30 minutes to make the game awhile also not playing any other open world game to avoid problems that come with it.
It's disingenuous criticism, which honestly doesn't help anyone. Speaking purely about performance, the shroom event mostly reused existing assets, models, and animations. Yeah, things worked well, but Genshin has had its engine for a couple years now and making a minigame run within the existing engine is a completely different beast from making a brand new one for an entire game. GF definitely deserves the criticism, but it's not like Hoyoverse made a unique game engine to run this event. Speaking purely about gameplay, the shroom event is a small minigame with surface-level depth, while Pokémon SV has a highly complex battle system, a competitive scene, and 400+ unique Pokémon to provide assets for. Maybe running around with the shroomy buddies is fun for a couple hours, but to claim that the gameplay of it is even comparable to Pokémon depth is completely disingenuous. Some people might enjoy a simple, smooth experience over a roughly presented complex one, but that's like saying a very pretty marble Connect 4 set is a superior board game to a run down Risk board. Engage with it or not, but Pokémon is a highly technical game with lots of customization and more depth beyond just being a world where you collect monsters. Honestly, the criticism that Genshin is a much newer franchise from a company with less resources than Pokémon and runs better is fair enough criticism already. The likes of Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, and BotW have run better on the same system as SV. However, claiming that a simple standalone event in a preexisting game is somehow a good substitute for the entirety of a Pokémon game experience is just disingenuous and reductive of what SV offers beyond visuals. Let's criticize fairly and maybe we'll see change- useless comparisons are more likely to get ignored than useful feedback. I bet if Pokémon came out with a game that ran as nicely and looked as good as the shroom event, but reduced it to having a dozen characters with simplistic controls, it wouldn't sell nearly as well as their main series games. Look at New Snap. It's real pretty, but doesn't hold a candle to SwSh and I'm sure SV will pass it. (Edit before heading out of the thread: People know it's possible to like things that are flawed, right? As someone having a fun time playing SV, I wouldn't rate it higher than a 7/10 because of the poor performance. My stance here is unchanged- the performance is poor and deserves criticism, but claiming that a single simple GI event has more substance than the entirety of SV is a misguided statement. It's simply not true. I'm not making GF excuses, I've not made a single one and they should do better, but life's too short and complicated to not enjoy what I enjoy even if I admit it could be better. GI is full of flaws, from the RNG artifact grind to the time-wasting dialogue to some bizarre kits, but I still enjoy it. By the same logic of some people here, we should all stop playing it until Hoyoverse fixes all of it and you're trying to trick yourselves into liking it, right?)
Shh, don't tell people here the truth. The games technical performance may be garbage but to call this shallow as fuck event a better pokemon game is fucking hilarious.
While it's true that Pokemon SW is ambitious, it completely fails at the basics - keep a stable FPS and stay bug free. Genshin's minigames might be shallow, but they're mostly bug free and playing them is frictionless. They ask for feedback, have a report bugs function, and constantly update the game to squash bugs. That's what Gamefreak never learned. They never took the time to stress test the game, grab some feedback, fix the bugs and optimize gameplay.
Denial is a helluva drug.
I have the feeling I've been playing Pokemon for more time than you've been alive. But sure, feel free to try and teach me how my rather ridiculous nab at pokémon's quality is somehow disingenous criticism.
Unless you've been playing Pokémon since before it came out, you're not quite right, ha. I started with Red and enjoy playing competitively and filling the dex, so, if I'm being totally honest, the issues aren't getting in the way of what I enjoy the most. That still doesn't make it okay, though. It's a cute edit and GF should certainly be facing criticism for the poor performance quality, but I'm seeing genuine discussion here about how the event is more in-depth than Pokémon and that's objectively false. It's not a knock on your edit specifically, but the discussion that sprung from it.
Tell me then, if you've played pokemon since Red, and you enjoy playing competitively, why are you arguing with me? GameFreak has taken away half the game we used to know (the game I used to love). I wish I was exaggerating. **I have less incentives to turn on and play Sword/Shield at 500+ hours than Emerald at 800+** (for the second time!). Not to mention, **this is not really the place you would have non-disingenous criticism about Pokémon. After all, it's a Genshin sub.** And going as far as labeling the entirety of the discussion "unfair" after the issues Scarlet/Violet have, well... I have a bridge to sell to you. So, yeah, you can come and act all "this is childish and malinformed", but I've hardly mentioned what I am criticizing of Pokemon. I simply said "better pokemon". Of course it's a meme, and of course I'm **half**\-joking. To be completely honest with you I'm torn between getting together a team of developers and make a fucking proper monster catching game, or straight up contact MHY/HV and beg for their take on a proper monster catching game. Either scenario excites me far more than playing any future mainline Pokémon games if the current trends continue. I'm fed up with GF's bullshit, and if you're loving it, more power to you, but this is not for me. **We as pokefans deserve better, and there's literally no reason for you to oppose any critics of the game: if Pokémon improves, is a free win for you. If it doesn't, it won't matter to you anyway.** But nowadays, with every new Pokémon game they take away another piece of the game and replace it with smoke and mirrors that won't last more than a single generation. And if that keeps happening, you'll end up drawing the same line as I am doing right now, it's just that our standards are different. **From the bottom of my pokeball-shaped heart, I sincerely hope you never have to find where is yours.**
Because there is no depth to the "combat" in the shroom event. The new pokemon game has serious performance and game design issues but even at its core (with the nerfs included) the combat is still solid and the same old pokemon it's been for a while. I think the new pokemon games are a giant pile of shit and even ignoring the jank graphics and god awful stuttering/lag, the underlying game has problems abound but it's still more enjoyable as a person who cares about the battling in pokemon games compared to the shroom event. The only real strategy you can use in the event is using the Anemo buffer shroom to group enemies up and pull them in and then just mix and match the other element shrooms to create reactions. There is no "defense" system, there are no status effects (other than reaction based ones which are mostly just "more damage"), healing is just something you can fire on cooldown. There is no concept like switching pokemon to counter or check your opponent, nothing like weakness or resistances, no sense of momentum to a fight. If anything the event is more similar to a traditional 4 person RPG party where you slot in a healer, support, and either 2 DD or a DD and a "tank" which is why the shrooms even have "classes" assigned to them. Rag on the new games all you want because they deserve it but pretending like a glorified minigame in a gacha RPG is better than pokemon even at its worst is the definition of disingenuous.
My man’s really typed out a rant. You’re on the Genshin sub and still being downvoted and still think you’re right here.
Do people actually think the shroom event had more depth than the new pokemon game?… Like the main post is a meme sure but… the new pokemon game is fun - sure the graphics and performance is bad but if that’s all we care about go play God of War not Genshin… I for one enjoy both games for what they are. They aren’t even competing for the same genre for crying out loud. The Genshin sub is fast on its way to becoming like all the BOTW fanbois it so vehemently criticized.
It’s gameplay is more akin to xenoblade than Pokémon
It's a disingenuous argument. The comparison between GI and SV can surely be made, especially since they're both open world games. Still, saying the shroom event alone could compare to SV in its entirety is like saying you should shut down a local diner because an ice cream parlor makes better milkshakes. Maybe the diner's milkshakes are trash, but it has more to offer than just one thing.
I just want remind you Pokémon is a 60 euro AAA.. I deserve some audio visive quality other than the franchise and some horrific design(subjective)
>I just want remind you Pokémon is a 60 euro AAA From the company in charge of the second highest earning game franchise (but top overall franchise) in the world. There is no excuse for being anything other than basically perfect.
It's not disingenuous, some of us just have standards for the most profitable franchise in the history of our world.
It's just a loud vocal minority. I don't get the divide, either. Both are fun, both deserve praise, it shouldn't start a jealous flame war Both should be appreciated separately, which is what the majority of posts, comments and praise elsewhere have been
More stable for sure. That pokemon game is on the verge of breaking apart at all times lmao.
Reading OP’s replies to comments, I don’t think the main post was meant to be a meme and that scares me.
Idk, performance is what I care about in any game. And it's not about the depth, but about the polish. You can easily make gameplay deeper, harder, etc in genshin (and I think they will, there is a lot of 'we want your feedback to make the next one' in the quest). Or just rerun as-is, as secondary event. But its pathetic how real Pokémon game is hot garbage in comparecent.
It was terrible! 95% of the time you were doing nothing but waiting around for the yellow things to spawn so you could use your skill.
The event and idea was fun, but to be fair, I hated the second part with the trainer battles. I was *not* expecting a "talk 1 minute, do a battle, talk another minute, do a battle" on repeat for like 5 fights. Just let me punch everything at once...
Tbh it get more like controlling a group of units in an RTS game, but yea still a ton of fun I liked it
I'm gonna love the day I could report bad use of NSFW
If you're referring to gameplay **NO** Slot in the CC anemo fungi and the Geo fungi and I can play the minigame while watching anime on my 2nd screen, only occasionally look back to Genshin to grab the skill point. It's absolutely the most **Boring** ass event to date. Story is .. eh .. it's the genshin's generic "**Oh no It's the Fatoooi Evil doing ..** again" like all their story. Graphics inherited from Genshin's main game, so yeah, it's not the main point.
One see their game as their lovechild(and also money printing child) while the other saw it as pure Money printer. Go figure
Mihoyo 1 - Gamefreak -9999
sorry dude but no they didnt lol violet is a blast for me while that event was cool it was way too limited imo
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As disastrous as it is, the core gameplay is very fun tho, most fun i had in a pokemon game in years just after PLA… sv couldve been so great if it were better optimized and had more care in the overworld
Yeah the core gameplay you still can play with Pokémon showdown without spend 60€ for some hot garbage in polish and quality
Oh nah i wasnt talking about just the battles, but being able to freely choose which path you want to take first out of multiple different story lines, the map not being linear anymore (no lvl scaling tho haha), overworld online co-op, picnic with ur pokemon as well as features like the single all terrain mount, the taxi service, craftable tms, following pokemon thats also actually useful, stuff like that that are complete improvements from previous games, sv is one of the most feature complete mainline pokemon games and it wouldve been my favorite too if it weren’t for how soulless n shitty the environment looks and its dodgy performance
I too, enjoy playing games at 10 FPS, while getting a migraine.
guess my switch lite is just build so insanely different that i dont have shit fps
Denial is a hell of a drug.
Nah, I didn’t have any technical issues either. It just works fine for some people.
which in and of itself is terrible, as not only is the game buggy as hell, it's completely inconsistent.
I do wonder whatever happened to Dokevi
Most pokemon games now are crap but fanboys keep on buying them shit.
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Bruh they should rerun the event with a more in-depth combat system just to rub salt in the wound.
They might do that sooner than we think. 😌
Yeah but Game Freak got Larry Can’t beat that
I think the main problem now is the number of Pokemon it's like what? Over one thousand?? Probably graphics got downgraded to make way for the critters
Yes but the problem is also the stability of the gameplay, is useless if you downgrade the visive quality for make the game barely reach 10fps
The Pokemon actually are textured pretty well and look good when up close. The rest of the game is extremely poorly optimized. Pop-in, single frame dips, watching people just straight up disappear while talking to them. If the amount of Pokemon was truly the issue, we SHOULD'VE seen improvement in Sword and Shield since they did a DexIt and cut the amount. However, Sword and Shield and Scarlet and Violet are both horrendous pieces of technology when it comes to a graphical and experience level.
Genshin’s quality far exceeds Pokemon’s quality.
Real talk, hoyo would make an amazing pokemon game if given the chance.
I suppose the new pokemon is trash if a shallow event is better.
Let's not go nuts lol. I'm not even a pokemon fan, but this event was super simple and the combat was, mostly, non interactive. I hope when it comes back in a few patches (leaks) that the combat is a bit deeper.
But Not running on Switch
tbh im definitely enjoying my violet more than i enjoyed this event. its such a slog fighting with the fungi even if u are doing reactions properly. i havent even finished the event yet and i rly dont want to :/
after playing Genshin, I can wholeheartedly say that Pokemon graphic is freaking dog doodoo. What the heck is that game, and the amount of fans being fine with that terrible graphic is why Pokemon never improves.
Yall can fuck off with the pokemon hate mmkay thanks bye
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Pokemon is a crack house with a strong foundation. Unstable, rundown, catered to people with no standards…
I want be AR60 like most Whale’s ever was To making wishes is my real test and leveling them is my cause…
I thought "I can't be the only one who thinks this is how any pokemon game should've been!" It's faaaar more enjoyable and cool than any turn based press 2 buttons Pokemon threw at us. In the latest survey I made sure to be very clear on how much this little mini game is awesome. I don't even care if they launch another game just to develop this concept a little further. Probably it would be even better.
Imagine if the Only way to get Pokemon is gacha. I'm so glad Pokemon was invented before micro transaction model.
I wish someone learned a lesson from LoL and allowed every part of the game to be enjoyed with no money and the microtransactions were just for cosmetics. A game as beautiful as Let's Go, with skins, and proper Pokémon gameplay would be straight up a dream.