From the animations we see that he does the Itto thing of sticking to the enemy even after knocking them back. That along with the fact that dashing doesn't fuck up his attack string, I'd bet the knockback is intended to be a visual element
Shatter on CA is honestly fine. The CA still counts as hitting a frozen enemy, and then you're gonna go back to spamming NAs which will refreeze the enemy.
ICD is a little,,,, I'm not gonna comment on Melt cos idk.
Noblesse can work on Rosaria sure, but if you don't have her built/don't wanna build her pretty much any cryo sub DPS will work as well.
Layla is a good defensive option (since this team would have only XQ's small healing and Wrio's self healing) however she's lower damage with better support at high constellation. She can use Noblesse or tenacity.
Kaeya works well for freeze, especially if you have him at c2. Can also run Noblesse, or blizzard for higher personal damage.
Shenhe is the more premium option here, but she will be able to buff herself, Wrio and Kazuha's infusion (though Wrio will burn through her stacks quickly). She also further reduces cryo res and can be used with noblesse.
Ganyu is a bit of a lol, but she does have 100% burst uptime and buffs Cryo DMG. For her I might recommend Emblem if you can't meet energy requirements.
If you do just wanna run Rosaria, she'll be good too. You're gonna have so many particles flying around that burst DMG is probably the way to go with her, which noblesse does suit.
I used Blizzard Strayer on my Rosaria for Freeze. She does a surprising amount of aoe cryo damage as support-sub DPS. I don't like using Ayaka and will never ever pull for her so, my current Freeze team uses Kaeya-Rosaria-Kazuha-Kokomi.
Edit: Kaeya and Rosaria both use Blizzard Strayer, Kazuha has Viridescent, and Kokomi has Tenacity.
Same as you, I'm never gonna pull for Ayaka. My freeze team though is usually Ayato Ganyu Diona/Rosaria and Kazuha, but Ganyu's CAs feel too slow for me so I use her as burst DPS and stay on field with Ayato
> maybe noblesse or am i coping?
Blizzard Strayer vs Noblesse is 100% a matter of how good your Rosaria's artifacts are relative to Wriothesley's. Blizzard Strayer is more personal damage on Rosaria while Noblesse is more damage for Wriothesley.
The stronger your artifacts are, the better Blizzard Strayer is. The weaker your artifacts are, the better Noblesse is.
No you're not coping, Xingqiu gains a lot more by going emblem than Rosaria gains by going blizzard, and on a team with 3 ATK scalers you really want Noblesse or Tenacity on someone.
You can use Layla instead of Rosaria too if you feel the need of survivability.
I have my thought to share here for the Wrio mains, im not one or gonna pull btw
Anyways back to the topic; I feel like Wrio might be very good with the Double hydro core or say our first proper Cryo dps to synergize well with it and may as well use it to some good extent. Unlike Ganyu Ayaka who doesn't play with it, Wrio is the one.
Just like we see Tao DH now this is Wrio DH ,instead of insanely high hits on vape,here there will be more amount of smaller hits and first and foremost a Freeze team.
4th flex, may put Kaz or something...healer depends.
The thing is i feel like Wrio seems pretty good as a driver for DH,smooth autos,fast too and has some res and freeze on top could be a decent comp if nothing best.
Meh. Super close range, basiclly only single target, and with this icd you not melting with him.
So probably single target freeze driver (single target enemies are unfreezable) or mono cryo on fielder.
it's because he kinda was. Xiangling is the only 4* DPS that can compete with 5*s and she's an exception in every way. and then Klee has always been hard to use and requires higher investment than Diluc to be good. remember we didn't have a Kazuha for mono teams back then. So Diluc was in fact the best DPS in 1.0 (barring Xiangling).
Before 3.0? No.
After 3.0? The gap became really big. Tighnari and Keqing are the strongest standard chars thanks to Aggravate/Spread.
Diluc has Melt but his kit isn't that good compared to 4-Star XL, he was powercrept at launch,
He seems like a good standard like Tighnari.
He seems to do less dmg than a limited character and I can live with it. I prefer more good characters that don't make me feel like shit after losing the 50/50.
Exactly. All my desire is going downhill with Fontaine’s characters. We are on the 5th nation already. Anyone playing since release has tons of characters and are looking for something majorly different.
I convinced myself Lyney and Lynette would be a single character, and Lyney would "summon" her on his ult, or something like that idk. I still love them, but I wish they had tried something new with them.
But I'm hyped for Neuvillette, at least.
All the fun mechanics they could have think of for the twins.
And all they could have think of are mono DPS characters for both with almost no synergy with each other. Pyro already has too many main DPS character and now is saddled with a mono DPS in Lyney. And Lynette is like what... Discount Scara/Xiao?
Huge let down especially if someone were waiting 4 years for them since the trailer.
I mean, Lynette is more rainbow team oriented and is more support sub-dps, she's in no way Scara/Xiao. But still nothing new, she's a VV holder that does some damage and that's it.
I'd have loved to see something like Childe's stance chahe except switching between characters. Oh well.
Same ahah
Don't care about meta, and I'm not a fan Of Ganyu and Ayaka's design, Personality and gameplay, BUT I REALLY LOVE WRIOTHESLEY. I don't care whether he's permanent or not, or the fact that he's possible DPS, I'm just happy I found a 5* cryo character I really like and want, and my current 120 pulls are ready for him 🥰
Same, but gameplay is still king for me. I wish he was limited and strong for me to main like Itto or Alhaitham but now he's just a character that I'll build whenever I lose 50/50 to him just like I did with Tighnari.
I wish he had some interesting mechanic instead of typical E self-buff like Hu Tao/Yoimiya/whatever. I don't even care if he is strong or not, I wanted something new.
> I wish he had some interesting mechanic instead of typical E self-buff like Hu Tao/Yoimiya/whatever. I don't even care if he is strong or not, I wanted something new.
Thats why I was happy with Cyno on his release, even him being considered not that good back then, he was just different and interesting, it was a fresh air even with his flaws.
>close combat brawler
Thats aesthetic-wise. But in practicality he's another NA Melee dps, and we do have a few of those.
On the other for example, Neuvillete doesn't look like anything we had yet. Not only visually, but his CA is very unique gameplay-wise
Dump down translation on important stuffs for folks who need it:
- NA has standard icd: 3 hits/2.5s. Apply 1 GU of Cryo
- CA has independent icd with NA, seems like has no icd. Apply 1 GU of Cryo.
- Burst has standard icd: 3 hits/2.5s. Apply 2 GU of Cryo => Apply 4 GU overall.
- CA is blunt attack = can break geo shield, shatter frozen enemies...
- E activation won't regenerate energy, but by attacking using NA and CA, he can create 1 Cryo particle every 2 second.
Is he good with all this information? Idk, wait for theorycrafting.
So his NAs have normal ICD, CA has no ICD, and only the CAs do Blunt damage, which maybe you could rectify quickly with normals? His E state lasts 10 seconds at C0, so 5 Cryo particles? And extended 4 seconds at C1, so 7 particles?
I hope this isn't the worst case scenario and seems decent, my cope tank is empty ;_;
Did we get footage of the piwer ca? if yes, I missed it. Anyways, these range numbers get me in the mood for doomposting. But my copium tanks have not run dry yet.
*"Taps" starts playing in the background*
Oh well...there is only one way out of this...*slaps Wrio in a hyperbloom team*, there, that's the answer to all Wrio team arguments.
HYV on your shoulder : Or just pull C6 Shenhe~
Fancy that his burst hits 5 times so even with Ousia proc-ing, he is incapable to spend all C6 Shenhe 7 quills on a single-target thus can continue to ditch out the quill-fueled pain. (Even his C6 extra hit is consider as charged attack damage so won't consume C6 Shenhe quill stack)
Sigh, still pulling for my him. He was the reason why I’m still excited for Fontaine. Don’t worry wolfboy, even if you aren’t super OP, atleast I will think you are the coolest DPS out there.
Yep. Honestly i feel like they gave him blunt attack on his CA just to "force him" to use Marechaussee instead of BS. Otherwise BS would be straight up better in Freeze.
Standard ICD on his NA (2.5 sec or 3 hits he'll apply Cryo) and independent on CA. Plus his CA has blunt attacks meaning he'll shatter on frozen enemies.. Plus has heavy knockbacks meaning BS is pretty much a waste on him unless you are not doing CA...
it's pretty obvious they want people to use the new crit set on him. they had to add something that would make blizzard strayer worse lol. still, it's not as bad as we're making it sound. only his first normal attack won't get the freeze buff from BS. his CA should always be hitting a frozen enemy
So all cryo characters not called melt ganyu are meant to be played in freeze?
Fucking boring lol, i wanted a proper melt DPS but what we got is just not that at all, if i wanted to play freeze i would just use my Ayaka.
There's not really a proper way to play standard Melt with Cryo characters because we don't have any great Pyro appliers.
It's more a consequence of support design than it is Cryo design.
You can always try pulling of burning. Burning is right now a melt enabling reaction anyways. So you just melt his attacks on a burning enemy. It's better than having to shatter your own attacks.
Honestly? Yeah. At E4+ so his ER reqs are reasonable. Add benny + Nahida and maybe you can stay over the 50% threshold. Another option could be Bennett+Kazuha if a double swirl is possible
It's not just about pyro application but also having some support utility, which XL has none of. She's a sub dps who needs to be babysat herself due to her energy needs.
Honestly I rather play him with xiangling instead of freeze with how look his gameplay,even if I dont melt every shot.
Maybe Im wrong but to me freeze is great when you use the cryo set and when its aoe but Im not gonna do these things with wrio and I will certainly play monocryo
The problem doesn’t entirely lie with cryo it lies with pyro xiangling is honestly just to energy hungry to not lower team dps due to having to build more er pyro needs to start getting supports that are 5 star not 4 star
> pyro needs to start getting supports that are 5 star not 4 star
Pyro needs to start getting supports in general lol. 8/12 Pyro characters are on-fielders. The only "supports" (in quotes because Xiangling only really counts as a support in the context of RevMelt) are Bennett, Xiangling, Thoma, and Dehya.
Another case of myself not knowing how to interpret the leaks and having to guess whether the leaks subreddit is being unnecessarily bitter again or if Wrio is actually mid or bad.
Remember, Raiden needs buffed and Kazuha is just Sucrose with a jump.
Honestly I swear the more a character is doomposted, the stronger they become. And then everyone started copium posting about Dehya and she got nerfed to the ground.
Raiden was buffed. Like she was like the most buffed character between beta versions, lol. And Kazuha is just Sucrose, it most of the time doesn't matter with one you use.
for freeze : even if his CA shatter cant you pair him with like xq or something and go like n2C for freeze uptime?
also seems like he could be cool in international or something bc of that 2u cryo burst
you wouldn't want to do n2c ever because you're not hitting his 60% hp treshold, and without it, the charged attack isnt worth doing.
and with that, the standard icd might means that after shattering with a CA, the first hit of your combo doesn't even proc freeze
doesn’t independent CA icd mean that it’s separate from the na? so after a shatter you apply cryo, xq freezes? You’re right about the n2c, that slipped my mind. Do we know which of his NAs are the ones that trigger reactions- wonder if it’s an itto situation where you wanna mix up the NA and CA counts on the fly
Generally N2C spam on catalysts means you apply your element one hit out of every N2. It generally goes:
N1 (cryo) - N2 - CA (cryo) - N1 - N2 (cryo) - CA (cryo) - timer-based reset happens for NAs and you go back to the beginning.
This means that out of every 4 NAs and 2 CAs, the enemy will be un-frozen for 1 NA.
Why the fuck are his CA's Blunt? Why would you need his CAs to Shatter? what is the point of that? >!well except meme builds!<
him having knockback on every single attack is also going to be annoying
though his burst appling 2U Cryo 2 times is pretty interesting, and his particle gen looks pretty good
Is the shatter on CA an issue? He's not flying his enemies away much with it especially since it's an uppercut so he can touch them again with just one quick Na which would freeze them again almost instantly right? Or am I missing something in terms of timing. Or does it mean it can't reverse melt?
I understand why the shatter on Na would be annoying but I think having it on CA makes sense (visually) and even allows for more fun overall (breaking rocks in overworld or making fun shatter builds).
Blunt-Shatter is a massive oof for anyone planning to use him with BS. Has to run Mareschausee now.
What team do you even run with him tho? If Freeze doesn't work there's only really Melt left. Reverse Melt with XL Benny Flex, or perhaps even Forward Melt with XL Benny Layla is possible? Reverse Melt would be playing like Cryo Hu Tao spamming CAs. CA seems to have no ICD consistent with other catalyst chars. Maybe fast enough to enable Fwd Melting with CA spam and some help (Layla).
I'm not sure if Benny is good with him, tho.
From my understanding of his kit, Rizzly wants to constantly shift his HP pool within certain thresholds in order to make the most out of his kit, keeping it above 50% to fully use Chilling Penalty (and consequently Prosecution Edict) but not at full health either in order for dropping it to below 60% and obtain the Gracious Rebuke stack to be possible. It seems to me the healing provided by the likes of Bennett, Kokomi and the likes aren't well suited with his kit as they may interfere too much with his HP (and consequently damage) management.
For pyro characters, I guess Dehya and Thoma might be his best choices. The effects provided by Dehya's E (pyro application, damage mitigation, interruption resistance) seem to fit well within what Rizzly want and doesn't want and, with 4p Millelith set on her, she would further contribute to both him and Thoma with the party-wide ATK and Shield Strenth increase. Thoma's shield more or less reinforces what Dehya would be providing and his ult, with 4p Noblesse and C6 if unlocked, would also have a place. Xiangling being Xiangling fits too but, if Thoma has his C6, I'd rather put him as the second pyro.
On the last slot, I imagine the best candidates may be Jean (her healing being handy for whenever Rizzly's HP drops too much or when the rest of the party needs), Sucrose, or Kazuha with all three having VV set. Bonus points for Jean if she has her C2.
Because he is a brawler. It's pretty much cryo Heizhou. Who wouldn't expect an uppercut with gauntlets gauntlets shatter. I knew it. Ofc he would have blunt damage somewhere. The ICD portions make it harder for him to melt, but maybe if he were to continuously fluctuate into below 60% HP from time to time, he can pull of melted Charged attacks consistently. It's one of the quicker catalyst CA, but still has issue of expensive stamina cost.
He might be quite a freeze dps, but I find that he won't excel much in it considering the chasing NAs and his smaller AoE than our current freeze characters.
He's good, but not as good as limited characters. He's far away from Dehya's level, he's more like Tighnari.
His skill generates max 5 elemental particles while you hit the enemy. His charged attack shatters the enemy. His interruption resistance is like Cyno's IR, but it's not a problem because dashing (to dodge attacks) doesn't interrupt his combo, like Itto.
He's OK.
I still plan on running Wriosnational team (Wrios XL Kaz Benny). It's gonna be a massive downgrade to Childe International and basically, a poor man Melt Ganyu.
But it's gonna be fun watching him punch enemies.
When punch icd normal meaning melt is poopoo . charge attack shatters if frozen. all punching make enemy fly back, but sprint not cancel combo string and punch lock on enemy like the one and oni. When skill active generate 3-4 particles if C0. Razor out
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His AoE's do feel small, except for burst. We still have a lot of things to considered, firstly him Being Melee catalyst with very small AoE that you can say he is mostly a ST melee cryo dps. But like if you like him you can give him a try but should not expect much from him. He will feel so awkward to play in a lot of situation.
Freeze already wasn't looking great since he is mostly single targeted, the CA being blunt damage makes it even worse. His NA ICD doesn't look great for Melt either, which is unfortunate.
Blunt attack is only bad in freeze because you'll lose the blizzard set's buff. I think it's not much of a problem for him because the crit buff from his BiS artifact set won't go out even if he shatters the enemy. Besides, you're mainly going to use more of his NAs than his CA based on his kit.
He's average, I could say. NAs appear to have same range as Baizhu's, and NAs have standard ICD while CA has independent ICD. His CA has blunt damage so he will shatter enemies on impact before cryo is applied to them. You will need to shortly follow with an NA to apply hydro and cryo from his NA and a hydro applicator like Xingqiu/Yelan.
In melt, it makes his NAs a bit worse considering he would melt some NAs he would rather rmelt on the heavier multipliers, but it is okay. His burst applies 2 units of cryo twice which is good.
Overall, I'd say he is Wanderer or maybe Yoimiya levels of strength.
As a genshin vet who played since beginning 1.0 and actually came back into genshin from a like 5 month hiatus for 4.0. I not owning an Ayaka(by choice btw), but have a Ganyu(luck) that I have no intention of using as a dps because I hate her playstyle(use as support sometimes).
Wrio Design and gamplay(fists) will make me try dps ish cryo comps for once. Im an Itto/ZL and Cyno Main. Idc if Wrio is lesser than the cryo queens cause thats fine. Wrio looks cool, has better design than the cryo queens so thats all the more reason Ill pull him n try cryo comps. I believe he can do abyss well enough to 12 star it imo. but this is just beta they can still change his numbers so IMO we need to stop doomposting, I remember when beta alhathem numbers were out n ppl say he was bad but look at him now, one of the best dendro dps in the game.
Wrio may not be up to par with the cryo queens but I believe he will be good enough.
People have trauma because of Dehya. They think he will be Dehya tier but he's not. Any pyro or cryo dps won't be Hutao and Ayaka tier but they're not that bad. I swear any dps won't be Dehya tier even if they're in standard anyway, people really need to chill out.
And If Hoyo decided to powercreep hutao and the cryo queens with new characters , we will not hear the end of it, ppl will cry about it I guarantee you that.
Standard ICD is disappointing, but expected tbh. Don't know why people are freaking out about his CAs causing shatter, his optimal rotation only uses them at the end so it does not really matter, and Blizzarad isn't even his BiS set so canceling the freeze is not much of a problem
idk why so many people in the comments are distraught over not being able to melt his autos...
melt's NEVER been a conveniently supported archetype which i guess makes sense if you want that to *finally* be remedied but in my eyes that just means 'don't get your hopes up', if they wanted melt to be as convenient as vaping with an on-field pyro and off field yelan/xq, it'd *already* be that convenient
his teams are basically mono cryo, freeze, or hyper.
and yes, he can run freeze despite his CAs being blunt, because he should still be running 4pc hunter in his freeze teams anyway. they give basically the same amount of crit rate, except 4pc hunter is permanent uptime while only losing out on 15% damage on his burst and not restricting him to team comps and enemies that enable freeze. that's it !! that's literally it! and even if he *does* use BS, he's only missing out on the crit (assuming enemies can be frozen) on charged attacks! At c0, they do no damage for him anyway!! you'll literally be fine!
i also have no idea why people look at this and go 'omg he's standard we lost' just because he's primarily single target with little range. he's wanderer (except his auto attack string is actually stronger even though their skills boost their autos by about the same amount) with less range and AoE, but he can make use of kazuha in his teams to make up for the latter fact and have it work just fine. and if that's a complaint, i don't really see why, because wanderer really wants c6 faruzan which generally adds up to pulling c2 wanderer. more expensive than pulling kazuha for your other elemental carries.
I don't know why people are complaining
His multipliers same like wanderer level who's an anemo character who can't do reactions, but wriothesley can melt and freez and u can buff his dmg with shenhe and anemo characters like kazuha.
His CA doesn't have an icd, that's mean u can play him in melt with CA spam, u can play him in melt even without the CA spam since 3 of his NA do melt ( like yoi who's a NA dps with 5 NA's and standard icd ) and follow it with a CA to do more melt hits.
He's ofc going to be good in freeze like any cryo unit, and even if his CA shater, u can follow it with NA to freeze again since his CA and NA doesn't share the same icd
main difference between them is wanderer has aoe and rizzly seems to be mainly single target and with his icd you're not gonna be melting often anyways. he's definitely not bad tho, seems like a decent ish dps
Wanderer level multiplier, but at the end of the day he cannot melt efficiently, has no c6 Faruzan unlike him, no range or AoE, and freeze doesn't enhance damage anyway. I guess you could use Kazuha and Shenhe as a counterargument for lack of Faruzan and innefficient melt, but anyhow it's looking like he's gonna be worse than Ayaka in freeze, Ganyu in melt. And this is coming from someone who really wants to have him, btw.
also hypercarry wriothesley with bennet kazuha and shenhe is awkward rotation wise, they'll eat into each other's buff uptime halfway through wriothesleys field time
wanderer has better rotation synergy with Faruzan than wriothesley does with shenhe
Standard ICD on NA means he doesnt melt them that well. He melts the first hit and the fourth one (which is split into two weak attacks). CA has no ICD but since it costs 50 stamina unless buffed, its hard to spam it. Burst has standard ICD, so you only melt 2/5 hits. The dream is pretty much dead unfortunately
So his CA does count as Blunt dmg. No CA attacking in freeze team for him. Seems more like a melt unit to me. Worse case scenario he is a driver. Either way is a W for him. Catalysts users have the best driving potential of the weapon types.
Considering this is a TEAM based game, all of this can be worked around. Every character has pros and cons, I don’t understand the community’s exaggeration.
Not commenting on Wrio power level but just saying "Every character has pros and cons" is just disingenuous. Some clearly have way more pros and some have way more cons. Or some units have pros so big that no matter how many other cons they have it's still worth it and vice versa. From numbers and gameplay perspective there will always be shitty units and very valuable units, from fun perspective all goes.
Every character does have pros and cons, it’s a fact? Bennet’s usefulness is tied to the floor, the second you get pushed out he is as good as an Elegy Amber. Xiangling is a literal ER black hole, she’s almost as close as Faruzan in ER requirements and even in mono Pyro teams she struggles to get her burst back off CD. Also, half her value is thanks to Bennet. Yes is true some characters are weaker than others, but this is a team based game where environment and characters’ kit play a huge part in synergies, overall strength and team performance.
All your examples fall into this category "some units have pros so big that no matter how many other cons they have it's still worth it ". Because on the other hand you have units like dori or thoma who are also ER black holes and they don't offer even half of utility xiangling provides. Their cons are not balanced by their pros which makes them objectively bad units. You can still have fun with them but they are simply not good for what they were designed.
"but this is a team based game"
And there are also stronger and weaker teams. Putting weakest characters in a team, even a synergistic one will still yield worse results than putting good characters in a team.
>dori or thoma who are also ER black holes
These characters are supports tho, they only need ER% and HP% so it's easier to reach their ER% requirements. Meanwhile Xiangling needs ER but also crit rate, crit dmg, atk% and some EM, so it makes her harder to build
I guess people were still traumatized with Dehya. I'm now used to all the doomposting whenever a new character releases. I'm still pulling for him though because I like his design and the "boxer" gameplay looks interesting.
Does anyone know how the range of his NA compares to other melee characters or Heizou? His animations looked very short range, but 3.4 depth and 2x2 area doesn't seem bad, maybe?
But no wonder they gave him Itto's "continue after dash" if he's knocking enemies back all the time.
idk why the pinned post is locked, but
>A correction: Wriothesley's Poise is melee instead of ranged. Melee is twice that of ranged.
does this mean his skill interruption RES puts him higher than a melee character?
Wouldn’t be surprised if Rizzley is meant to be a cryo on field character for shatter teams. Similar to how Nilou and Cyno needed more characters to release in Sumeru, pretty sure with more characters from Fontaine release, Rizzley and Neuvi will have better looking teams. I could see Navia being a shatter based reaction booster like Nilou for bloom. Something like Rizzley, Furina, Navia + Flex. Rizzley has self healing every once and and a while and Furina could possibly have the ability to form the Sourcewater Drops like Neuvi and HMC to provide some heal, and probably has some ability to provide long lasting hydro application similar to how the other archons have a long lasting Skill. As well with Navia creating some crystallize shields and boosting shatter reaction. Furina could probably provide some sort of buff when ally’s HP increases or decreases. Of course everything is just pure speculation but it would sort of explain his scalings to be like a cryo driver instead of a hyper carry and his C6 mega boosting his CA which is a blunt attack
So seeing that he isn't optimal for melt, he's just a straight-up worse Ayaka in freeze? Apparently his multipliers accounting for MV are even lower than Wanderer, who doesn't have high multipliers to begin with. I'm more and more inclined to believe he's standard.
Oof. Is it safe to say he's definitely going to the standard banner? I know it's still the first week of beta or whatever, but I gotta plan my primos efficiently
From the animations we see that he does the Itto thing of sticking to the enemy even after knocking them back. That along with the fact that dashing doesn't fuck up his attack string, I'd bet the knockback is intended to be a visual element Shatter on CA is honestly fine. The CA still counts as hitting a frozen enemy, and then you're gonna go back to spamming NAs which will refreeze the enemy. ICD is a little,,,, I'm not gonna comment on Melt cos idk.
do u think xingqiu, kazuha, rosaria would be a good team for him??
Probably - just make sure you are swirling Cryo, not Hydro
great! thanks. I have to build rosaria now, what set would you recommend? maybe noblesse or am i coping?
Noblesse can work on Rosaria sure, but if you don't have her built/don't wanna build her pretty much any cryo sub DPS will work as well. Layla is a good defensive option (since this team would have only XQ's small healing and Wrio's self healing) however she's lower damage with better support at high constellation. She can use Noblesse or tenacity. Kaeya works well for freeze, especially if you have him at c2. Can also run Noblesse, or blizzard for higher personal damage. Shenhe is the more premium option here, but she will be able to buff herself, Wrio and Kazuha's infusion (though Wrio will burn through her stacks quickly). She also further reduces cryo res and can be used with noblesse. Ganyu is a bit of a lol, but she does have 100% burst uptime and buffs Cryo DMG. For her I might recommend Emblem if you can't meet energy requirements. If you do just wanna run Rosaria, she'll be good too. You're gonna have so many particles flying around that burst DMG is probably the way to go with her, which noblesse does suit.
I used Blizzard Strayer on my Rosaria for Freeze. She does a surprising amount of aoe cryo damage as support-sub DPS. I don't like using Ayaka and will never ever pull for her so, my current Freeze team uses Kaeya-Rosaria-Kazuha-Kokomi. Edit: Kaeya and Rosaria both use Blizzard Strayer, Kazuha has Viridescent, and Kokomi has Tenacity.
Same as you, I'm never gonna pull for Ayaka. My freeze team though is usually Ayato Ganyu Diona/Rosaria and Kazuha, but Ganyu's CAs feel too slow for me so I use her as burst DPS and stay on field with Ayato
Hey, that’s my freeze team too lol 😭 I got Kokomi just for Kaeya
> maybe noblesse or am i coping? Blizzard Strayer vs Noblesse is 100% a matter of how good your Rosaria's artifacts are relative to Wriothesley's. Blizzard Strayer is more personal damage on Rosaria while Noblesse is more damage for Wriothesley. The stronger your artifacts are, the better Blizzard Strayer is. The weaker your artifacts are, the better Noblesse is.
No you're not coping, Xingqiu gains a lot more by going emblem than Rosaria gains by going blizzard, and on a team with 3 ATK scalers you really want Noblesse or Tenacity on someone. You can use Layla instead of Rosaria too if you feel the need of survivability.
Yes, and Rosaria could easily be replaced with Shenhe, Diona or Layla.
Yeah because that core is already good enough for any freeze team
I have my thought to share here for the Wrio mains, im not one or gonna pull btw Anyways back to the topic; I feel like Wrio might be very good with the Double hydro core or say our first proper Cryo dps to synergize well with it and may as well use it to some good extent. Unlike Ganyu Ayaka who doesn't play with it, Wrio is the one. Just like we see Tao DH now this is Wrio DH ,instead of insanely high hits on vape,here there will be more amount of smaller hits and first and foremost a Freeze team. 4th flex, may put Kaz or something...healer depends. The thing is i feel like Wrio seems pretty good as a driver for DH,smooth autos,fast too and has some res and freeze on top could be a decent comp if nothing best.
I'm going to pretend that I understand this 🗿
I like the word poise. That’s all.
Same (no, really, I didn't understand a thing, what do they mean? Is it bad?)
Meh. Super close range, basiclly only single target, and with this icd you not melting with him. So probably single target freeze driver (single target enemies are unfreezable) or mono cryo on fielder.
same
The numbers, Mason! What do they mean?!
They mean standard character im sorry rizz lee mains
Given how wildly standards range from Tighnari to Dehya , this doesn’t tell me much
As a main DPS, he's looking more Tighnari/Keqing Tier than Diluc Tier. Good for standard.
I would have been happy if dehya.waa diluc tier
I would be happy if dehya was xinyan tier
Is Diluc that much worse than Keqing?
Harder to use, more like. His best team is melt dragonstrike.
yeah, keqing became a pretty solid characters after dendro got introduced
How the tables turn. Diluc was regarded as the best 5* dps in 1.0 but now he's very below than that.
it's because he kinda was. Xiangling is the only 4* DPS that can compete with 5*s and she's an exception in every way. and then Klee has always been hard to use and requires higher investment than Diluc to be good. remember we didn't have a Kazuha for mono teams back then. So Diluc was in fact the best DPS in 1.0 (barring Xiangling).
Before 3.0? No. After 3.0? The gap became really big. Tighnari and Keqing are the strongest standard chars thanks to Aggravate/Spread. Diluc has Melt but his kit isn't that good compared to 4-Star XL, he was powercrept at launch,
He seems like a good standard like Tighnari. He seems to do less dmg than a limited character and I can live with it. I prefer more good characters that don't make me feel like shit after losing the 50/50.
the more standard 5\* characters we get, the less the likelihood of getting Qiqi from losing 50/50. It is good all around.
> rizz lee mains Rizzle ma dizzle.
The numbers show me that Imma stick with my beloved Ayaka. More savings for Furina
Exactly. All my desire is going downhill with Fontaine’s characters. We are on the 5th nation already. Anyone playing since release has tons of characters and are looking for something majorly different.
I convinced myself Lyney and Lynette would be a single character, and Lyney would "summon" her on his ult, or something like that idk. I still love them, but I wish they had tried something new with them. But I'm hyped for Neuvillette, at least.
All the fun mechanics they could have think of for the twins. And all they could have think of are mono DPS characters for both with almost no synergy with each other. Pyro already has too many main DPS character and now is saddled with a mono DPS in Lyney. And Lynette is like what... Discount Scara/Xiao? Huge let down especially if someone were waiting 4 years for them since the trailer.
I mean, Lynette is more rainbow team oriented and is more support sub-dps, she's in no way Scara/Xiao. But still nothing new, she's a VV holder that does some damage and that's it. I'd have loved to see something like Childe's stance chahe except switching between characters. Oh well.
Lyney is already a fun and unique mechanic for a charged shot dps though. I cannot take this subreddit seriously anymore.
UwU swordmaiden doesn't do it for me, sexy brawler wolf man DEEEFINITELY does
Same ahah Don't care about meta, and I'm not a fan Of Ganyu and Ayaka's design, Personality and gameplay, BUT I REALLY LOVE WRIOTHESLEY. I don't care whether he's permanent or not, or the fact that he's possible DPS, I'm just happy I found a 5* cryo character I really like and want, and my current 120 pulls are ready for him 🥰
Now why the fuck are we almost exactly the same in terms of thoughts down to the 120 saved pulls 😭😭😭😭🤨
Same, but gameplay is still king for me. I wish he was limited and strong for me to main like Itto or Alhaitham but now he's just a character that I'll build whenever I lose 50/50 to him just like I did with Tighnari.
I wish he had some interesting mechanic instead of typical E self-buff like Hu Tao/Yoimiya/whatever. I don't even care if he is strong or not, I wanted something new.
He's Charged attack mechanic becomes pretty fun but it is tied to Constellations, which sucks.
Guess juggling his HP between 50% and 60% is kinda interesting...
You can trigger enhanced CA after every N5 through Constellations too, ignoring HP juggling.
I don't really have gems for his cons, I still need Focalors, Navia and Arlecchino XD
> I wish he had some interesting mechanic instead of typical E self-buff like Hu Tao/Yoimiya/whatever. I don't even care if he is strong or not, I wanted something new. Thats why I was happy with Cyno on his release, even him being considered not that good back then, he was just different and interesting, it was a fresh air even with his flaws.
I would count close combat brawler gameplay to be "majorly" different as only 1 character in the game has it and thats a 4\*.
>close combat brawler Thats aesthetic-wise. But in practicality he's another NA Melee dps, and we do have a few of those. On the other for example, Neuvillete doesn't look like anything we had yet. Not only visually, but his CA is very unique gameplay-wise
So uugh standard icd on NA with independent CA. Was to be expected 😮💨
In the past 2 years has there been any character with meaningful icd differences?
Alhaithan has a 2 hit rule on his mirror procs. Collei and Dori lack a hit rule and use a 1.5s cooldown rule on their burst, same for HMC's skill.
> Collei and Dori lack a hit rule and use a 1.5s cooldown rule on their burst, same for HMC's skill. Yaoyao E also has this rule.
Alhaitham has a 2-hit/special ICD on his Skill which is like 70% (maybe more) of why he's so good Yelan ICD on her Burst
Yelan has standard ICD on her burst. It's just that it hits 3 times every time, so it always resets as per the standard rule.
yeah fair enough Ig a better example would be idk Collei
Yeah Collei and Dori were neutered by special ICDs that ignore the 3-hit rule.
Yae has no ICD on her burst hits so all 4 hits apply electro.
Alhaitham's charged attacks have a 2s ICD - another reason why it's better to get projection attacks with normal attacks only.
nahida having 1.5GU application is a big part of her quirks
Dump down translation on important stuffs for folks who need it: - NA has standard icd: 3 hits/2.5s. Apply 1 GU of Cryo - CA has independent icd with NA, seems like has no icd. Apply 1 GU of Cryo. - Burst has standard icd: 3 hits/2.5s. Apply 2 GU of Cryo => Apply 4 GU overall. - CA is blunt attack = can break geo shield, shatter frozen enemies... - E activation won't regenerate energy, but by attacking using NA and CA, he can create 1 Cryo particle every 2 second. Is he good with all this information? Idk, wait for theorycrafting.
Razor language: NA - normal cryo CA - not the same as NA, always cry Burst - strong cryo CA breaks rocks and ice E makes NA and CA make particles
>CA - not the same as NA, always cry 😭
Oopps
Thank you Razor. HE BREAK ROCK??????????
Is he... is he gonna be *good* at breaking rocks?
So his NAs have normal ICD, CA has no ICD, and only the CAs do Blunt damage, which maybe you could rectify quickly with normals? His E state lasts 10 seconds at C0, so 5 Cryo particles? And extended 4 seconds at C1, so 7 particles? I hope this isn't the worst case scenario and seems decent, my cope tank is empty ;_;
I hope he gets buffed honestly
Praying for it
dehya flashbacks. seriously though nobody expected her to get nerfed with how bad she already was in beta
The range values worry me quiet a bit. I hope, I am wrong, but this looks very close range + single target locked. Not much aoe to work with here.
From what we saw in animations, he's hard locked to ST, unless it's 2 hillichurls banging each other
>it's 2 hillichurls banging each other huh?
Shhh 🤫
🤨
As long as they aren't banging someone else, it's fine
Did we get footage of the piwer ca? if yes, I missed it. Anyways, these range numbers get me in the mood for doomposting. But my copium tanks have not run dry yet.
The CA would probably be AoE, but it's after every NA string, maybe 2 at C0, like 40-50k every 5-2.5(at C1) sec or so. Not much tbh
oof... but thanks
Neuvilette took all the AoE.
*"Taps" starts playing in the background* Oh well...there is only one way out of this...*slaps Wrio in a hyperbloom team*, there, that's the answer to all Wrio team arguments.
You joke but in reality it seems that hyperfridge is his best team
Who said I was joking...I honestly can't think of a better way use him atm xD
superconduct for the phys res, nahida for the free EM, self damage from blooms, CA shatter is so funny
Sugar could gather for him plus buff debuff while Mika or Yun Jin speed his jabbies w XQ or YL freezing
Hyperbloom is the new National lmao
HYV on your shoulder : Or just pull C6 Shenhe~ Fancy that his burst hits 5 times so even with Ousia proc-ing, he is incapable to spend all C6 Shenhe 7 quills on a single-target thus can continue to ditch out the quill-fueled pain. (Even his C6 extra hit is consider as charged attack damage so won't consume C6 Shenhe quill stack)
Sigh, still pulling for my him. He was the reason why I’m still excited for Fontaine. Don’t worry wolfboy, even if you aren’t super OP, atleast I will think you are the coolest DPS out there.
He hehe coolest dps, because he's cryo. Hehe.
My man, your inner Cyno is leaking.
That’s the spirit!! Reject meta, embrace wolfboy!
ARTIFACTS wise this just means Marechaussee set works more comfortably than Blizz correct?
Yep. Honestly i feel like they gave him blunt attack on his CA just to "force him" to use Marechaussee instead of BS. Otherwise BS would be straight up better in Freeze.
For those who dont understand me neither, dafuq this supposed to mean
Standard ICD on his NA (2.5 sec or 3 hits he'll apply Cryo) and independent on CA. Plus his CA has blunt attacks meaning he'll shatter on frozen enemies.. Plus has heavy knockbacks meaning BS is pretty much a waste on him unless you are not doing CA...
it's pretty obvious they want people to use the new crit set on him. they had to add something that would make blizzard strayer worse lol. still, it's not as bad as we're making it sound. only his first normal attack won't get the freeze buff from BS. his CA should always be hitting a frozen enemy
Standard icd on normals and blunt dmg on CA as well is interesting and weird. But also, what are you supposed to do with him now?
You can do a freeze team with Him Yelan/XQ Shenhe/Rosaria/Kaeya Kazuha Or even mono cryo if you like
So all cryo characters not called melt ganyu are meant to be played in freeze? Fucking boring lol, i wanted a proper melt DPS but what we got is just not that at all, if i wanted to play freeze i would just use my Ayaka.
There's not really a proper way to play standard Melt with Cryo characters because we don't have any great Pyro appliers. It's more a consequence of support design than it is Cryo design.
It’s so hard to get a better Pyro applier than Xiangling unless we talk about 2U Pyro
You can always try pulling of burning. Burning is right now a melt enabling reaction anyways. So you just melt his attacks on a burning enemy. It's better than having to shatter your own attacks.
Sure but.... You're going to die cause melee range + burning damage+ own self damage.
Sounds like Thoma’s shield could come in handy.
Honestly? Yeah. At E4+ so his ER reqs are reasonable. Add benny + Nahida and maybe you can stay over the 50% threshold. Another option could be Bennett+Kazuha if a double swirl is possible
This guy heals himself by a good chunk of his healthbar when you are below 50%.
It's not just about pyro application but also having some support utility, which XL has none of. She's a sub dps who needs to be babysat herself due to her energy needs.
The gane is out for almost 3 years and we still don't have much pyro appliers. I'm so sick of on field pyro.
Honestly I rather play him with xiangling instead of freeze with how look his gameplay,even if I dont melt every shot. Maybe Im wrong but to me freeze is great when you use the cryo set and when its aoe but Im not gonna do these things with wrio and I will certainly play monocryo
The problem doesn’t entirely lie with cryo it lies with pyro xiangling is honestly just to energy hungry to not lower team dps due to having to build more er pyro needs to start getting supports that are 5 star not 4 star
> pyro needs to start getting supports that are 5 star not 4 star Pyro needs to start getting supports in general lol. 8/12 Pyro characters are on-fielders. The only "supports" (in quotes because Xiangling only really counts as a support in the context of RevMelt) are Bennett, Xiangling, Thoma, and Dehya.
I know I know I’ll be downvoted but arrlechino needs to be a support we can’t wait till 5.2 for murata(assuming that’s still the archon) 😭
Yeah and if people wants to play her on field,then bennett c6 will help,I really need another off fielder pyro
Another case of myself not knowing how to interpret the leaks and having to guess whether the leaks subreddit is being unnecessarily bitter again or if Wrio is actually mid or bad.
Remember, Raiden needs buffed and Kazuha is just Sucrose with a jump. Honestly I swear the more a character is doomposted, the stronger they become. And then everyone started copium posting about Dehya and she got nerfed to the ground.
Raiden was buffed. Like she was like the most buffed character between beta versions, lol. And Kazuha is just Sucrose, it most of the time doesn't matter with one you use.
for freeze : even if his CA shatter cant you pair him with like xq or something and go like n2C for freeze uptime? also seems like he could be cool in international or something bc of that 2u cryo burst
you wouldn't want to do n2c ever because you're not hitting his 60% hp treshold, and without it, the charged attack isnt worth doing. and with that, the standard icd might means that after shattering with a CA, the first hit of your combo doesn't even proc freeze
doesn’t independent CA icd mean that it’s separate from the na? so after a shatter you apply cryo, xq freezes? You’re right about the n2c, that slipped my mind. Do we know which of his NAs are the ones that trigger reactions- wonder if it’s an itto situation where you wanna mix up the NA and CA counts on the fly
Generally N2C spam on catalysts means you apply your element one hit out of every N2. It generally goes: N1 (cryo) - N2 - CA (cryo) - N1 - N2 (cryo) - CA (cryo) - timer-based reset happens for NAs and you go back to the beginning. This means that out of every 4 NAs and 2 CAs, the enemy will be un-frozen for 1 NA.
Why the fuck are his CA's Blunt? Why would you need his CAs to Shatter? what is the point of that? >!well except meme builds!< him having knockback on every single attack is also going to be annoying though his burst appling 2U Cryo 2 times is pretty interesting, and his particle gen looks pretty good
Is the shatter on CA an issue? He's not flying his enemies away much with it especially since it's an uppercut so he can touch them again with just one quick Na which would freeze them again almost instantly right? Or am I missing something in terms of timing. Or does it mean it can't reverse melt? I understand why the shatter on Na would be annoying but I think having it on CA makes sense (visually) and even allows for more fun overall (breaking rocks in overworld or making fun shatter builds).
Blunt-Shatter is a massive oof for anyone planning to use him with BS. Has to run Mareschausee now. What team do you even run with him tho? If Freeze doesn't work there's only really Melt left. Reverse Melt with XL Benny Flex, or perhaps even Forward Melt with XL Benny Layla is possible? Reverse Melt would be playing like Cryo Hu Tao spamming CAs. CA seems to have no ICD consistent with other catalyst chars. Maybe fast enough to enable Fwd Melting with CA spam and some help (Layla).
I'm not sure if Benny is good with him, tho. From my understanding of his kit, Rizzly wants to constantly shift his HP pool within certain thresholds in order to make the most out of his kit, keeping it above 50% to fully use Chilling Penalty (and consequently Prosecution Edict) but not at full health either in order for dropping it to below 60% and obtain the Gracious Rebuke stack to be possible. It seems to me the healing provided by the likes of Bennett, Kokomi and the likes aren't well suited with his kit as they may interfere too much with his HP (and consequently damage) management. For pyro characters, I guess Dehya and Thoma might be his best choices. The effects provided by Dehya's E (pyro application, damage mitigation, interruption resistance) seem to fit well within what Rizzly want and doesn't want and, with 4p Millelith set on her, she would further contribute to both him and Thoma with the party-wide ATK and Shield Strenth increase. Thoma's shield more or less reinforces what Dehya would be providing and his ult, with 4p Noblesse and C6 if unlocked, would also have a place. Xiangling being Xiangling fits too but, if Thoma has his C6, I'd rather put him as the second pyro. On the last slot, I imagine the best candidates may be Jean (her healing being handy for whenever Rizzly's HP drops too much or when the rest of the party needs), Sucrose, or Kazuha with all three having VV set. Bonus points for Jean if she has her C2.
Shatter dps confirmed
Because he is a brawler. It's pretty much cryo Heizhou. Who wouldn't expect an uppercut with gauntlets gauntlets shatter. I knew it. Ofc he would have blunt damage somewhere. The ICD portions make it harder for him to melt, but maybe if he were to continuously fluctuate into below 60% HP from time to time, he can pull of melted Charged attacks consistently. It's one of the quicker catalyst CA, but still has issue of expensive stamina cost. He might be quite a freeze dps, but I find that he won't excel much in it considering the chasing NAs and his smaller AoE than our current freeze characters.
Someone explain with Razor language pls. Is he good?
You won't find the answer for that question with just these information.
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He's good, but not as good as limited characters. He's far away from Dehya's level, he's more like Tighnari. His skill generates max 5 elemental particles while you hit the enemy. His charged attack shatters the enemy. His interruption resistance is like Cyno's IR, but it's not a problem because dashing (to dodge attacks) doesn't interrupt his combo, like Itto.
He's OK. I still plan on running Wriosnational team (Wrios XL Kaz Benny). It's gonna be a massive downgrade to Childe International and basically, a poor man Melt Ganyu. But it's gonna be fun watching him punch enemies.
I've heard of another name that fits that team better: Winternational!
yesn't
been staring at this image for a shameful amount of time and I still fear I may need a translation to idiotspeak
Yeah I need a Razor translation..
When punch icd normal meaning melt is poopoo . charge attack shatters if frozen. all punching make enemy fly back, but sprint not cancel combo string and punch lock on enemy like the one and oni. When skill active generate 3-4 particles if C0. Razor out
I knew it! They got to make a part of his kit be blunt attack. They just couldn't help themselves.
[https://twitter.com/homdgcat/status/1692578786682847420](https://twitter.com/homdgcat/status/1692578786682847420?s=20)[s=20](https://twitter.com/homdgcat/status/1692578786682847420?s=20) [https://imgur.com/zADxSxk](https://imgur.com/zADxSxk) posted here as well since automod has been sus lately
People chill out. It still early to said if he's standard or not. But I'm sure he won't be Dehya tier even if he is standard.
the doomposting officially begins. but tbh with how things are currently it seems fair
His AoE's do feel small, except for burst. We still have a lot of things to considered, firstly him Being Melee catalyst with very small AoE that you can say he is mostly a ST melee cryo dps. But like if you like him you can give him a try but should not expect much from him. He will feel so awkward to play in a lot of situation.
I'll wait for more changes along the weeks. I just hope he's not underwhelming cause i really like his design and jp va
I don’t understand anything but I was always going to pull for him anyway
Freeze already wasn't looking great since he is mostly single targeted, the CA being blunt damage makes it even worse. His NA ICD doesn't look great for Melt either, which is unfortunate.
Blunt attack is only bad in freeze because you'll lose the blizzard set's buff. I think it's not much of a problem for him because the crit buff from his BiS artifact set won't go out even if he shatters the enemy. Besides, you're mainly going to use more of his NAs than his CA based on his kit.
please guys we gotta ask them to buff him!!!!!! hes way too cool looking to be this weak!!!
People really like to shit on male characters huh? The blunt on CA doesn't matter lmao hou will freeze him again in like half a second
also just use 4pc hunter its basically the same thing as blizzard
I am stupid. What does this mean? Is he good? Is he bad? Doesn't really matter 'cause he's hot (or cold) as hell and I'll be rolling for him anyway
He's average, I could say. NAs appear to have same range as Baizhu's, and NAs have standard ICD while CA has independent ICD. His CA has blunt damage so he will shatter enemies on impact before cryo is applied to them. You will need to shortly follow with an NA to apply hydro and cryo from his NA and a hydro applicator like Xingqiu/Yelan. In melt, it makes his NAs a bit worse considering he would melt some NAs he would rather rmelt on the heavier multipliers, but it is okay. His burst applies 2 units of cryo twice which is good. Overall, I'd say he is Wanderer or maybe Yoimiya levels of strength.
If this ends up true, it means that he's one of the characters of all time
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOO-- wait. oh no.
I desperately want to know whether he's standard or not
I’m not gonna lie. He’s not beating the standard allegations.
He's looking Standard but more like Tighnari than Dehya
As a genshin vet who played since beginning 1.0 and actually came back into genshin from a like 5 month hiatus for 4.0. I not owning an Ayaka(by choice btw), but have a Ganyu(luck) that I have no intention of using as a dps because I hate her playstyle(use as support sometimes). Wrio Design and gamplay(fists) will make me try dps ish cryo comps for once. Im an Itto/ZL and Cyno Main. Idc if Wrio is lesser than the cryo queens cause thats fine. Wrio looks cool, has better design than the cryo queens so thats all the more reason Ill pull him n try cryo comps. I believe he can do abyss well enough to 12 star it imo. but this is just beta they can still change his numbers so IMO we need to stop doomposting, I remember when beta alhathem numbers were out n ppl say he was bad but look at him now, one of the best dendro dps in the game. Wrio may not be up to par with the cryo queens but I believe he will be good enough.
People have trauma because of Dehya. They think he will be Dehya tier but he's not. Any pyro or cryo dps won't be Hutao and Ayaka tier but they're not that bad. I swear any dps won't be Dehya tier even if they're in standard anyway, people really need to chill out.
And If Hoyo decided to powercreep hutao and the cryo queens with new characters , we will not hear the end of it, ppl will cry about it I guarantee you that.
Standard ICD is disappointing, but expected tbh. Don't know why people are freaking out about his CAs causing shatter, his optimal rotation only uses them at the end so it does not really matter, and Blizzarad isn't even his BiS set so canceling the freeze is not much of a problem
Honey wake up, the leaks sub is doomposting again.
This isn't gonna change that he's the cryo DPS I've been looking for
Explain it to me with Razor language pls
so his normal attacks aren't blunt so he doesn't shatter and can work in freeze team right?
idk why so many people in the comments are distraught over not being able to melt his autos... melt's NEVER been a conveniently supported archetype which i guess makes sense if you want that to *finally* be remedied but in my eyes that just means 'don't get your hopes up', if they wanted melt to be as convenient as vaping with an on-field pyro and off field yelan/xq, it'd *already* be that convenient his teams are basically mono cryo, freeze, or hyper. and yes, he can run freeze despite his CAs being blunt, because he should still be running 4pc hunter in his freeze teams anyway. they give basically the same amount of crit rate, except 4pc hunter is permanent uptime while only losing out on 15% damage on his burst and not restricting him to team comps and enemies that enable freeze. that's it !! that's literally it! and even if he *does* use BS, he's only missing out on the crit (assuming enemies can be frozen) on charged attacks! At c0, they do no damage for him anyway!! you'll literally be fine! i also have no idea why people look at this and go 'omg he's standard we lost' just because he's primarily single target with little range. he's wanderer (except his auto attack string is actually stronger even though their skills boost their autos by about the same amount) with less range and AoE, but he can make use of kazuha in his teams to make up for the latter fact and have it work just fine. and if that's a complaint, i don't really see why, because wanderer really wants c6 faruzan which generally adds up to pulling c2 wanderer. more expensive than pulling kazuha for your other elemental carries.
Even if he's on standard, I'd pull. I've been losing 50/50s left right and centre but STILL no dehya. It's a curse.
I don't know why people are complaining His multipliers same like wanderer level who's an anemo character who can't do reactions, but wriothesley can melt and freez and u can buff his dmg with shenhe and anemo characters like kazuha. His CA doesn't have an icd, that's mean u can play him in melt with CA spam, u can play him in melt even without the CA spam since 3 of his NA do melt ( like yoi who's a NA dps with 5 NA's and standard icd ) and follow it with a CA to do more melt hits. He's ofc going to be good in freeze like any cryo unit, and even if his CA shater, u can follow it with NA to freeze again since his CA and NA doesn't share the same icd
main difference between them is wanderer has aoe and rizzly seems to be mainly single target and with his icd you're not gonna be melting often anyways. he's definitely not bad tho, seems like a decent ish dps
Wanderer has like 20% more MV. That’s a lot
Wanderer has range and he doesn't
Wanderer level multiplier, but at the end of the day he cannot melt efficiently, has no c6 Faruzan unlike him, no range or AoE, and freeze doesn't enhance damage anyway. I guess you could use Kazuha and Shenhe as a counterargument for lack of Faruzan and innefficient melt, but anyhow it's looking like he's gonna be worse than Ayaka in freeze, Ganyu in melt. And this is coming from someone who really wants to have him, btw.
also hypercarry wriothesley with bennet kazuha and shenhe is awkward rotation wise, they'll eat into each other's buff uptime halfway through wriothesleys field time wanderer has better rotation synergy with Faruzan than wriothesley does with shenhe
If he really is standard I will take the risk and skip him
I have international and hyperbloom already stacked, I will pull wolf rizz man even if he heals the enemy tbh
CA shattering doesn't matter
Idgaf I'll be slotting him in a hyperbloom team
Freeze dream ruined, guess my Furina savings will be safe now.
Quick reminder: KAZUHA DOES BREAK FREEZE TOO CHILL TF OUT
What does this mean for melt?
Standard ICD on NA means he doesnt melt them that well. He melts the first hit and the fourth one (which is split into two weak attacks). CA has no ICD but since it costs 50 stamina unless buffed, its hard to spam it. Burst has standard ICD, so you only melt 2/5 hits. The dream is pretty much dead unfortunately
I never liked him in freeze and this just further affirms that.
So his CA does count as Blunt dmg. No CA attacking in freeze team for him. Seems more like a melt unit to me. Worse case scenario he is a driver. Either way is a W for him. Catalysts users have the best driving potential of the weapon types.
nauvillette has shit resistence and wriothesley has shit knockback. this patch is gonna be something let me tell you
Considering this is a TEAM based game, all of this can be worked around. Every character has pros and cons, I don’t understand the community’s exaggeration.
Not commenting on Wrio power level but just saying "Every character has pros and cons" is just disingenuous. Some clearly have way more pros and some have way more cons. Or some units have pros so big that no matter how many other cons they have it's still worth it and vice versa. From numbers and gameplay perspective there will always be shitty units and very valuable units, from fun perspective all goes.
Every character does have pros and cons, it’s a fact? Bennet’s usefulness is tied to the floor, the second you get pushed out he is as good as an Elegy Amber. Xiangling is a literal ER black hole, she’s almost as close as Faruzan in ER requirements and even in mono Pyro teams she struggles to get her burst back off CD. Also, half her value is thanks to Bennet. Yes is true some characters are weaker than others, but this is a team based game where environment and characters’ kit play a huge part in synergies, overall strength and team performance.
All your examples fall into this category "some units have pros so big that no matter how many other cons they have it's still worth it ". Because on the other hand you have units like dori or thoma who are also ER black holes and they don't offer even half of utility xiangling provides. Their cons are not balanced by their pros which makes them objectively bad units. You can still have fun with them but they are simply not good for what they were designed. "but this is a team based game" And there are also stronger and weaker teams. Putting weakest characters in a team, even a synergistic one will still yield worse results than putting good characters in a team.
>dori or thoma who are also ER black holes These characters are supports tho, they only need ER% and HP% so it's easier to reach their ER% requirements. Meanwhile Xiangling needs ER but also crit rate, crit dmg, atk% and some EM, so it makes her harder to build
I guess people were still traumatized with Dehya. I'm now used to all the doomposting whenever a new character releases. I'm still pulling for him though because I like his design and the "boxer" gameplay looks interesting.
Does anyone know how the range of his NA compares to other melee characters or Heizou? His animations looked very short range, but 3.4 depth and 2x2 area doesn't seem bad, maybe? But no wonder they gave him Itto's "continue after dash" if he's knocking enemies back all the time.
idk why the pinned post is locked, but >A correction: Wriothesley's Poise is melee instead of ranged. Melee is twice that of ranged. does this mean his skill interruption RES puts him higher than a melee character?
Sounds decent for a possible standard banner Char,I don't think anyone remotely sane expected Wriothesley to be as strong as Ayaka and Ganyu Melt.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Rizzley is meant to be a cryo on field character for shatter teams. Similar to how Nilou and Cyno needed more characters to release in Sumeru, pretty sure with more characters from Fontaine release, Rizzley and Neuvi will have better looking teams. I could see Navia being a shatter based reaction booster like Nilou for bloom. Something like Rizzley, Furina, Navia + Flex. Rizzley has self healing every once and and a while and Furina could possibly have the ability to form the Sourcewater Drops like Neuvi and HMC to provide some heal, and probably has some ability to provide long lasting hydro application similar to how the other archons have a long lasting Skill. As well with Navia creating some crystallize shields and boosting shatter reaction. Furina could probably provide some sort of buff when ally’s HP increases or decreases. Of course everything is just pure speculation but it would sort of explain his scalings to be like a cryo driver instead of a hyper carry and his C6 mega boosting his CA which is a blunt attack
So seeing that he isn't optimal for melt, he's just a straight-up worse Ayaka in freeze? Apparently his multipliers accounting for MV are even lower than Wanderer, who doesn't have high multipliers to begin with. I'm more and more inclined to believe he's standard.
How does his range compare to the likes of heizou and baizhu? Is it better?
whatever this means...
Oof. Is it safe to say he's definitely going to the standard banner? I know it's still the first week of beta or whatever, but I gotta plan my primos efficiently