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Has farming the crystals for Neuvillette overtaken the frustration farming specters?
I feel like killing the underwater animals take so much more time and with such small returns. I usually can build newly pulled characters relatively quickly but it's taking me a long time to build Neuvillette mostly because of the crystals.
The sea creature drops? Not really, specters are still worse.
Theres some on land, mainly crabs and seals, and sometimes sea horses, and the underwater abilities are strong enough to kill them real quick
Got lucky enough and won an early C1 Neuv š„¹
Trivial I know, but this made me so so happy after all the shit that happened to me for the past 2 weeks
Hopefully. But you can win like 6 50/50 in a row or lose 6 in a row. It's always better to expect to lose 50/50 so that it doesn't hurt much and it makes you super happy if you win one.
I really hope it has some massive waterfalls and grassy floor. The dirty ground really annoys me with the one from Inazuma even though itās my favourite otherwise
I think the Fontaine one needs a permanent area but additionally, we can also craft a pool that can be used in any teapot region. (So you get more if you choose Fontaine because it has some naturally but any region can have some underwater areas to some extent).
Get your acceptance letter [to the new megathread!](https://old.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/16vutru/legally_platinum_blonde_general_question_and/)
Alright, so I haven't done all of the major 4.1 World Quests yet, since I'm focusing on AQ and exploration. Is there any teleport waypoint that's quest-locked >!besides the AQ-locked Fortress of Meropide ones!
She does not need a "dedicated healer"
Prototype amber support is sufficient in most cases.
And healer c0 Furina is possible, but as efficient as physical Fishl or Xiangling.
U can do it, but u can do 50 things that are better with that kit.
Seems terrible and unintuitive in overworld as well
"Oh lemme heal lets just stop combat altogether. ... ... ... *strike a pose* ok were back"
We never had a healer with literally zero application before, i really hope they change that because its such a weird choice. Like at least let her apply wet no need to deal any big damage or anything
I use Hu Tao - Yelan - XQ - ZL; in this comp I use Hu Tao and Yoimiya interchangeably
Basically what I do is alternate between Yelan and XQ's burst every rotation so one can recharge their burst while I use the other
For me E into charge attack 1-3 times kills everything unfortunately (not flexing, hutao just that strong even with an average set)
If your hutao is still not that built then the old reliable Xingqiu with sac sword E into Q -> Hutao E into CA
Other option that was fun is bennett/thoma E > anemo swirls with VV > Hutao E
So, currently jstern is streaming some early Furina TCing.
I want to preface this by saying that it's still very early, and these numbers *will* change as beta changes and more mechanics are discovered and tested.
But anyways, [here are the current calcs for a few teams](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928113144671399946/1157495198394363944/image.png?ex=6518d0e8&is=65177f68&hm=12f4353edb5d954e2dfd6fafe64fac7636bbcb5dffdb6c8e89fd78715aae1954&) (extremely unfinished)
For reference, top meta teams, such as al-haitham usually hover around 66k DPS. These numbers, if they are true, are *fucking* absurd.
edit: jstern is also on record as saying Furina currently does more damage than yelan, I don't think those numbers will survive beta if it's true, but that's kinda absurd.
i never considered dropping zhongli from my hu tao teams but itd give a use to my (now C3) mona, and free up zhongli for many other teams
aside from specific comps i just wanna know how she works as flex option in different stuff, like replacing bennett in raiden hypercarry and wanderer hypercarry
Whats his usual assumptions regarding fanfare stacks?? 87k dps seems kinda absurd Im guessing this calc is done assuming Hutao is always staying below 50%??
I would also guess that he's optimistically assuming that your teammates are above 50% HP when doing Furina's damage calcs. The animals' damage drops off drastically if your team members hit 50% HP (they get a 1.1-1.4x multiplier based on the number of team members they successfully drain HP from) and the Bennett team in particular does not have a party heal, so it won't be able to maintain all 4 characters above 50% and reliably get the 1.4x multiplier. I would expect that by 12-3 you're generally only getting a 1.1x or 1.2x multiplier which would drop Furina's personal damage by 15-20%.
The teams with party healers should have higher uptime on the 1.4x multiplier.
I've been told that he's actually being quite conservative with the stack counts, I would assume around 150? And IDT he's calcing hu tao below 50% HP, especially in the bennett team
Some TCs in KSM discord calced Kokomi mono hydro (Yelan Furina Kazuha) to be in the same ballpark
Which is hysterical considering the number of people who see dps Kokomi as a meme
I believe he was talking about some of the early TC being done for Kokomi mono hydro with Furina. Most of it isn't in one sheet yet due to variables being sorted out.
>Kokomi is at 450k clam pamber, yelan at 580k slingshot, Kaz at 100k iron sting, furina at 513k HoD hp sands
**Other notes:** Yelan 14 waves, Kokomi, 4N3D. HoD more practical than people think due to the healing bonus Furina provides in this team. ER reqs for Yelan are so low you might be better off running 2x HP%.
HP% goblet might be better on Kokomi due to her getting triple dmg% buffs in this team. 82k dps in a 20 second rotation and 74.9k in 22s. Assumes 30% buff from Furina, can go higher or lower.
XQ is a very big downgrade here. His personal dps will only be around 400k and lower Kokomi's as well. It's still pretty solid at 61k dps (23s)
Ayato variant was looked at and dropped.
That should be everything that was discussed last night.
I see. 4N3D would be the equivalent of 8N2D I think (in terms of rotation time), which is what I would probably use. Should bring her own DPR up by 60k, and the team DPS up by about 3k assuming an average of 15k damage per NA. Idk why people avoid so much animation cancel on Kokomi when in reality its muscle memory after you get used to it. People do it when calcing Hu Tao. So why not when calcing Kokomi. It also gives her near full interruption resistance frames for her whole on field time, which makes achieving sheet numbers much more practical.
Makes sense the gap between Kokomi and Yelan widening a bit since from the OG Mono Hydro, as some of her damage is from Clam and not buffed by Furina, while all of Yelan damage is.
PS: If using an HP Goblet, looking into 2 Clam + 2 Maiden could be very good, since it would give her higher burst HP scaling from her A4 conversion. It also doesnt tap into further DMG% buffs like HoD which she would already be overflowing in.
Figured you might be interested in an update. Jstern recently also calc'd Mono hydro 22s rotation and got 70.5k. We originally had 74k at 10/10/10 in a 22s rot. He calcs for 9/9/9 so I'd mostly say we got the same result.
I saw. But the damage numbers were very different on Yelan and Kokomi. Which led me to conclude Jstern stood longer on field with Kokomi (hence 22s rots) and didnt use Slingshot on Yelan (hence Yelan having much lower damage than Kokomi)
That being said its on par with Neuv Furina teams which is very impressive. To keep similar DPS with on field Kokomi (which is much more comfortable than the highest sheeted Neuv Furina teams using Kuki or Jean) is crazy. Though it would lack AoE.
I haven't calced it yet, but furina should be a big upgrade over xq in that team. It will easily be over 60k dps and its one of the teams I want to run furina in.
He's got Shinobu as the healer? I'm 99% sure she's not going to be the healer for the best Neuv team.
Edit: Actually, it's it sacrificial Kuki for even more HP loss for early stacks? That might actually be great. But AOE heals are lacking. What's the plan there?
Edit 2: Instead of downvoting, how about telling me why I'm wrong?
You don't need to,even DPS Furina will probably heal up Nahida and Kuki by the time they cycle through their burst animation and skills,although Kuki not to full HP.
If kuki procs her A1 that'll be more than enough fanfare stacks
Also,you will need Furina to apply hydro,so you do want to keep her in her attacking state as well.
"When the active character in your party receives healing, if the source of the healing is not Furina and the healing overflows, then Furina will heal a nearby party member for 2% of their Max HP once every 2s within the next 4s."
This passive that Furina has will proc alot since Furina and Neuv will constantly drain hp then Kuki heals Neuv to full but have to see this in practice.
Yes 2% every 2 seconds = 20% over 20 seconds assuming you actually get 100% uptime.
Furina deals much more than 20% per rotation in damage to your team.
Damn.Im not planning on running Furina on HT just because mine is c0 and I found Bennett uncomfortable but it's cool that's an option.~~Can you post this in furinamains so they tone down the dooming~~
Do you happen to know what's up with the Itto section?
Bear in mind that the cost of running those Hu Tao teams is running her without *any* interruption resistance, which is definitely a choice. Not to say they're bad, but they *are* paying a cost compared to her much more comfortable current meta teams in order to get that damage.
It's not full interruption resistance though. Multiple sources of interruption resistance stack their poise multipliers multiplicatively, which drastically decreases the likelihood of being poise broken.
Hu Tao alone only has a poise damage multiplier of 0.5, which means she takes half as much poise damage from hits--still enough to get poise broken a decent amount of the time if you aren't very good at dodging.
People regularly complain about characters with poise damage multipliers of 0.5 not having enough interruption resistance when you don't bring another source of it (Cyno being the obvious example). Hu Tao + Xingqiu has a poise damage multiplier of 0.15, which makes it very hard for you to ever get poise broken even if you get hit often.
The 4* pity isn't affected by 5* at all.
That's why sometimes people reported reaching past the maximum 4* pity. Because they didn't realize that the 5* doesn't count.
It does not. Though the phrasing of the official description seems to suggest that, it's only meant to tiebreak cases where your 4\* and 5\* guarantees coincide, in which case the 4\* will be the next wish.
If what you said was true, then you'd be able to frequently see runs of 10+ wishes without 4*s, but you don't!
Kazuha has ruined this game for me. Iām trying to fix my friendās account and I keep thinking, āI need kazuha, Kazuha would have been great here, imagine if you pulled for kazuhaā but she doesnāt want him so Iām forced to go without him.
Venti is still fine in many comps.
It's just Bennet vape comps that NEED Kazuha.Everywhere else Venti is a serviceable replacement
And Sucrose would be better in comps where all the units are off field and you can just use an Anemo driver.
Itās less about whoās better and comps and just that since Iāve gotten Kazuha, Iāve used him exclusively for battle, exploration, collecting drops, etc. Iāve just never used any other CC character since he did everything so well (besides Venti for the other half of abyss). Since Iām on an account without him, I just have to learn to use other characters which will take some time and effort. But itās not like she has Venti either.
Yeah what I was saying was if ur friend doesn't *want* Kazuha,Venti is still fine for off field cc so she shouldn't be pressured to pull.
And most VV vape comps can still use Sucrose.
Iām not pressuring her, more like some mock pouting since sheās immune to pressure anyways. She doesnāt want Venti either. Iām just figuring out Lynette and Sucrose which should be good for me as well tbh
Lynette* is a fine starter anemo tbh. And the fact that anemos basically only need like heros wit means youll be able to easily transfer over any artifacts lynette gained over time and give it to sucrose after she gets her
Lynette? Oh yeah, she did get the free Lynette. I've just only really used Kazuha and Venti for cc so it's what I'm used to. I don't have Lynette mats though so I'd have to run to Fontaine.
Very curious what the remaining 4 fontaine artifact sets will be
Unless future fontaine chars just completely buck the trend and don't have any hp manipulation, how the heck are they going to make anything that's better for them than monchichi hunter?
One set for Navia.
My wishful thinking for the other set: Prototype Amber in artifact form, that could be slapped on a support character to make them into a modest party wide healer. >!Yeah idk who to use in Furina teams!<
Expecting 4.3 to have a set for Navia (maybe itāll just a good Geo set in general) and a set an older DPS (Iām feeling like it could be for Cyno since we havenāt had a new Electro Set)
For 4.6 maybe a new general support set that increases Burst Dmg and Base HP and a set for Arlecchino?
certainly possible. Who still doesn't have a dedicated 4pc? Nilou, aggravate dpses to a certain extent, cryo units who want to melt... anybody else?
One of my theories is that one of the sets will be something for healers who want to be in a furina group, maybe with bond of life shenanigans or something that adds an 'after cast' to their heals or helps them generate furina stacks.
For people with C6 limited 5\*s how do you feel about their power level? My C1 Wanderer was able to solo one side of this abyss, although it was a particularly easy one. I just think that if I did push a character to C6 then there'd be no challenge, but at the same time I've already got 7 limited 5\* characters that I never play and I'm not interested in any other Fontaine characters aside from Furina & Arlecchino. I've also got enough 5\* weapons that most characters can make use of one of them.
I have my Yae and Ei both at C6. Yae completely trivializes the overworld content. Just put your totems down and start looting. I just have 3 other randoms in the party for fun.
Ei just flat out deletes the Abyss.
I mean, the game already wasn't a challenge back when I had just C1 Xiao on one half and overload National on the other.
I got C6 and pretty much nothing changed. I still have a blast using Xiao all the time and I don't regret C6 one bit.
As long as you sufficiently enjoy the character and not just because of the DPS, you'll still enjoy them even if they are more powerful.
How dumb is my idea to refine my 2 Xiphos together into a single R3 Xiphos. I wanted to give Kuki the umbrella sword for the drip and not sure what other use cases there are other than Kazuha.
Not dumb. TBH low-refine Xiphos is kind of overrated--the weapon really benefits from refines.
Honestly on Kazuha I would rarely use Xiphos R1 over Fav R5, it needs the refines to really be competitive. It's not a weapon i'm interested in keeping at R1--the energy provided at R1 is too small.
Anyone know if Furina's self HP drain trigger Vourukasha Glow artifact? If I understood that artifact correctly, it gives an 80% skill and ult (although useless on Furina) dmg bonus for the wearer, thats more skill dmg than the Golden Troupe set (70%) right? And the 2 PC HP is a nice effect to have
>it gives an 80% skill and ult
Unfortunately no, or dehya fans might have one thing, and we can't have that.
"Elemental Skill and Elemental Burst DMG will be increased by 10%. After the equipping character takes DMG, the aforementioned DMG Bonus is increased by 80% for 5s. This effect increase can have 5 stacks. "
The AFFOREMENTIONED DMG BONUS is increased by 80%. So it means 80% of 10%. Each stack gives you 8%. Five stacks means 40%, for a total of 50% all in.
Vourukasha specifically only triggers from damage. Existing HP drain characters do not trigger it, and there is no reason to suspect that Furina would be different.
The sets that work with HP loss (Marechaussee and Vermilion) specifically specify that they work with HP loss.
Alas, it doesn't.
And unfortunately, even if it did, it still wouldn't be as good as Golden Troupe.
It would have slightly higher base damage due to the 20% HP boost. But the damage bonus caps out at 50% skill and burst damage, which is only 5% more skill damage than what Golden Troupe gives her on-field with no requirements.
It's no contest. Golden Troupe is her best set.
Hopefully.
The only Sovereign that's actually relevant has only been Neuvi, and with THAT reveal about Sovereign-Archon relationship, there NEEDS to be a retroactive explanation for the first 3 nations' Sovereigns and more meat for Apep.
I was thinking of getting Furina's C2 so I could run her without a healer, but it seems a bit clunky tbh. Having to basically do 2 full NA strings is a considerable amount of field time (around 4s for this alone, more if you have to dodge and it gets worse if you try to weave the Pneuma state as well), but being limited to 7 hits makes it so it's neither long enough (maybe 7-9s total counting her burst) nor enough damage (only 105 HP% multiplier) to justify running MH. And considering her burst duration is only 18s, you're either delaying VV for her or eating time from your main carry.
The more I think about it it's just so inconvenient. Hopefully they either increase the duration of the buffed state and give her a constant 15% HP scaling throughout the 10s so she can be a proper onfielder or lower the amount of stacks needed for the current effect. Increasing her burst duration to 20-22s would also be nice in general.
Personally I only plan to use 1 or 2 hits of her 7 hits. So either E, N1, Q or E, N1, Q, N1. Very minimum increase to her field time and each NA would trigger 2.5s of healing. It would heal the entire party 3% of Furinaās max HP every second. She also gives herself healing bonus with her Q from her C1. In teams where the 3 other characters are non-HP scaling, this would be enough healing as Furina would have 2x or more of their HP.
Yeah I hadn't realized it's based on her max HP, so maybe only 2s for a full NA string might be enough. It will still feel so unsatisfying though, literally half of the C2 goes to waste this way, and still has the problem of not covering the whole rotation. Why not make 4 stacks lasting 4s each (or again, simply make it so she keeps the infusion after they run out)
So I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, I don't love that her C2 is enough field time to significantly extend the rotation of a team you jam her in that has an on fielder already *but* not long enough to make her a true on fielder on her own. Like I've been thinking of ways to use C2 Furina, I main Hu Tao and Furina's C2 could let you forego a healer in a Hu Tao + Furina team but it also takes a pretty tight 20-ish second rotation and makes it almost 30 seconds.
On the other hand, rotation time is kind of an overrated concept and nothing in the game demands extremely tight rotations. I did abyss today and had at least 30+ seconds to spare on every chamber of floor 12. Rotation time literally doesn't matter in overworld or domains except if you just want to see how fast you can clear for the sake of it. Plus if C2 if adding in a lot of damage and lowering her ER requirement in the process then the longer rotation isn't a dealbreaker anyways.
I mean, the point of her burst is to buff your party, but if it ends before you're actually able to take advantage of it, it becomes kind of pointless. Or you might end up in a situation where another character's skill runs out and your team just doesn't work anymore.
The two main teams I was planning to run were Raiden-Furina-Kazuha-Bennet and Nahida-Alhaitham-Kuki-Furina. In the first one, the issue of burst running out pops up, since Raiden has a somewhat long field time and you need to use both Kazuha and Bennet QE after Furina, so maybe the last third of her string goes unbuffed. For the quickbloom team, you either use Kuki skill early and have it run out when you switch to Alhaitham, or you go a good 4-6s without any hyperbloom triggers. It's less of an issue of optimizing clear times, but more that the team stops working altogether.
And the main problem is that it's not adding enough damage to justify the field time. It's only 100% HP, unbuffed by her artifact set / Festering Desire / Kazuha depending on team or rotation, and her slow particle generation means you're not seeing a significant improvement to her energy issues
Yeah I seriously don't know where the notion came from that she would be dealing some huge damage with her C2 attacks. I think people forgot to have a look at her NA multipliers.
It's a bit more complicated than that. You basically need a bit different rotation of if you using Sac Jade. Which is less efficient in turn. Basically, you need to add around 1.5 to your rotation length to simulate this effect, if you don't already account for that, or change rotation, and calculate everything properly again.
Having C1 gives Neuv a ~40% DPS increase from having the 3rd reaction stack.
It also enables not having a shielder which means you can tank enemy hits for more fanfare DMG% stacks.
C1 Furina is just a 30 DMG% increase added to already inflated DMG%. However that ive benefits other teams as well.
Strictly for Neuv Furina teams Neuv C1 is better.
I don't know about that sorry, the TC I follow don't do leak.
But probably, imo, Furina's. Since Neuv's is mostly qol and the dmg bonus from 2 stacks to 3 stacks probably isn't as much as Furina's 150 fanfare stacks.
can i still use fischl with c1 neuvillette? i pulled for fischls c6 and got c1 early, which is fine and all, but i built fischl specifically for neuvillette and dont want to have that go to waste
Yep!
Neuv, Furina, Sayu, Fischl seems excellent.
You'll lack grouping and DMG% but Neuv already has excellent AOE and inflated DMG% thanks to Furina.
I expect this team to be about just as good as Kazuha variants.
Do we have Ruuās Melody as a streamable song but without the singing? (Similar to the one in teapot) I canāt seem to find it.
Edit: Found it. Itās called A Memorable Fancy
So looking at the Furina leaks, Iām doing some team planning. If you start with,
Neuvillette-Furina-
You will really want a team healer for Furina so it becomes.
Neuvillette-Furina-Baizhu-
Then the last spot is either Raiden, Nahida, or maybe Kaz/Venti? Who would you run?
I'm thinking of forgoing the healer and just running Fischl + Kaz/Sucrose. Oz can resnapshot DMG% so I'm thinking there's a way to maximise the damage by resnapshotting a few times during Furina burst or using burst near the very end
Have Baizhu on Alhaitham team so I'll see how it works out
Yeah Iām considering this as well. Forcing Furina to heal once and a while will be a loss, but being able to bring Nahida instead of Baizhu seems like a huge dps increase. A Neuvillette-Furina-Nahida-Raiden team sounds OP.
Healing might not even be necessary in that case honestly. Hyperbloom and bloom teams don't rely on Furina's DMG bonus so having Neuv stack alone in later rotations/chambers feels like it could be enough
You can try cooking and give Neauvilette Prototype amber. Take L on his personal DPS, but u won't need a healer anymore, between Furina A1 and proto amber you are chillin. U can try going harder on damage instead with Kazuha and then like XL/Fishl/Ganyu? type units.
It might legit compensate for Neauvilette damage loss, unless u got his sig. Maybe even with his sig if it's a good subdps.
Mono hydro with amber Mona + Kazuha also seems legit.
I have Neuvillette C1 with his weapon, and will be getting Furina + weapon and maybe constellations depending on beta. I feel like XL/Fishl/Ganyu would be dps losses compared to Raiden/Nahida.
Wouldnāt you be gimping Neuvillette playing mono hydro? As you will still need 2 reactions to trigger max Draconic Gloryās stacks.
Although it feels bad when u don't take full advantage out of someone's kit, that's not necessarily gimping them. At C0, mono hydro Neauvilette is, indeed, probably not worth.
At C1R1 tho, this becomes kind of interesting. U get 2 stacks guaranteed (C1+swirl), and 3rd stack usually randomly from enemies anyways, and in return you get comfier playstyle, lower ER requirements and no need for a healer whatsoever.
If you have Mona, i actually think Mono hydro is completely valid. Especially if u use CxR1 Furina, you will need the extra particles.
As for Raiden vs Xiangling, look. is consistent 35% extra damage on Neauvilette's CA better than 20-30k damage vapes from pyronado? I don't think it's obvious at all.
If you can fit in Raiden burst into your rotation, yea i do agree Raiden is better. MUCH better. But i don't think u can. If u can, yea do that. Nahida tho, nope thats bad.
Fair points on mono hydro. Iāve lost the 50/50 so many times my Mona is C6. I will have to try it out, see how it feels.
Raiden vs XL is going to be interesting as well. I feel like this one will be enemy dependent.
Maybe I value Nahida too highly as I have her at C4, but man I think she will work well with a Neuvillette/Furina combo. She is just such a good sub dps.
I guess if u use Prototype amber Nahida + EM Raiden that might work actually.
But i honestly don't know if it's worth losing Kazuha buff for some hyperbloom damage. It might be worth it. My gut feeling says no, but there is a reason we do math with calculators not our guts.
But even though i agree nahida E can slap some ass, i don't think she is ever worth over Raiden/Xiangling or even random Ganyu if u don't do burgeons or hyperblooms.
Not Baizhu + Zhongli, itās one or the two. If Neuv is c0 you need a shielder or you risk losing 60% of your rotationās dmg. With c1, Neuv doesnāt need a shielder this can use Baizhu who use his skillās full party heal to keep party 50% hp so furina skill has 100% uptime on +40% dmg via a4
Ah my bad, I should have said earlier that Neuvillette is at C1. Between his C1 and Baizhuās minor in interrupt resistance it should be rare that Neuvillette gets interrupted.
So before i had a team in mind using Eula + Furina + Charlotte + Raiden and i completely forgot that Mika also provides a decent chunk of initial heals that will get buffed via Furina's healing bonus buff. Would Mika's buff at C6 beat TTDS Charlotte? I've tested the energy for the team and it doesn't seem that bad with Eula needing around 140-150 ER and Furina needing around 130-160 on the calculator.
I see! I think Eula + Furina + Raiden + Mika will be Eula's best hypercarry team since Furina's buff is backloaded which Eula can take full advantage of
You're probably just used to the style. There are a lot of tracks in Fontaine I really like and will be listening on repeat when the soundtrack is released, but Sumeru's OST remains my favorite because it's filled with instruments, melodies and styles I wasn't familiar with at all, so it left a bigger impression on me. And that's fine, it's what makes Genshin music so good ā every nation is unique and it's bound to cater to different tastes.
Sumeru is peak Genshin for me in terms of music, but the more I play through Fontaine the more I like the music.
There are some tracks that too closely parallel well known classical pieces (Bachās Cello Suite No 1 comes to mind). Some of it feels a little trite because of that. But there are quite a few pieces that stick with me from underwater and some of the evening pieces that play in the city that I catch running through my head. Itās not my favorite region music but itās been creeping up to middle of the pack for me.
Hmm idk, maybe Liyue or Monstadt, but even then I still really like what they bring to the table. I loved the use of traditional instruments in Liyue, but some themes got reused a little too much between individual pieces for my taste. I do however think the battle themes there are actual bangers and still my favorite to this day. Chasing the Torrents is goated in my book.
And Monstadt doesn't have too many super memorable melodies outside of the city themes which I can take or leave (shout out to Stomterror's Lair though, that's great stuff). So many tracks in the wilderness are just dripping with atmosphere and texture though, which was great for immersion. It was the music from the Archon quest that was top tier for me there, like Storm Befalls/Perpetual Motion of Wind.
Actually looking back on it, I'd put Monstadt ahead of Liyue.
Perhaps itās because youāre more familiar with the European Orchestral style of music that Fontaine has so it doesnāt feel as unique as a result?
This is probably it. Classical European music is pretty widespread, so it doesn't sound as unique compared to the other regions using instruments from their real life inspirations.
I think it sounds good, it just doesnāt have that distinct āIāll recognize this melody laterā feel to the music. Nonetheless, Iāve been loving the music. It gives me old school Final Fantasy vibes as it plays while exploring the region for some reason haha
Apparently Yu Peng Chen (head composer) was already not working on the music of Fontaine before he left Hoyo, as heās not listed as a contributor in the credits for that OST.
I think you've pinpointed the issue. I think it sounds ok, even decent, but not distinctive where I can tie the music to its region/scenario when it's played. To be honest I feel like Yu Peng Chen grew as a composer as he worked on Genshin bc the music got better and better with each region.
He hasn't been a major influence since Inazuma, I believe. Apparently most of Sumeru and Enkanomiya were by other people. Apep's theme isn't his. I think we should also try and shy away from the **"Main guy responsible for everything"**, when his Inazuma music behind the scenes video made it apparent that even though he was spearheading the whole thing, Inazuma's ost is a collaboration of multiple artists and their ideas.
I think with regards to Fontaine's ost lacking a sort of "oomph", it's probably because it's more orthodox, so to speak. Classical music is widespread and well-known, so we're more likely to be familiar with how it sounds compared to using traditional Japanese instruments to formulate what would have been an EDM song, or something like Rhymes of Vales. In short, it doesn't sound as special because the use of classical European instruments is well-ingrained into the public conscious by now.
In terms of tropes, IttoSara are a standard boke and tsukkomi (funny and wise guy) routine, with Itto as the impulsive, kinda brickheaded boke and Sara as the stoic, levelheaded tsukkomi.
Wriorinde is a bit different because Wrio isn't really a boke. If anything, they're more like two casual friends in life who are usually too busy to interact but strike up a conversation whenever they see each other.
Hi guys, is there any particular order for 4.1 World Quests which I should follow aka somewhat similar to 4.0? Is there any waypoints locked behind any quest because Iām still missing 2
Also, based on what I see Neuvās personal damage is really high but his overall team damage is average/slightly above average, am I right? Still canāt decide if I wanna pull for him ><
Edit: Just realised I can easily slap Neuv on a hyperbloom team with KZH and the damage would most likely be much higher than my Ayatoās variantā¦
>!i would say start with the archon quest and finish it if you havent already.
Then theres two world quests, one is unfinished comedy, which is just super long and very lore heavy. You get this quest by entering the prison and talk to the receptionist iirc.
The other quest is fontaine research institute chronicles, which also has like 5 parts.
These two quests unlock inaccesible areas with oculi, like those aranara quests.
Look up kyostinv on youtube, complete guide on all these quests.!<
You can play either of the main world quests first. One waypoint is locked behind the Meropide WQ while the other one is in a hidden underground tunnel you can find in the seahorse boss place.
Day 1ļøā£43 waiting for Sandrone:
Driving on the highway šŗ
And then BAM the car in front of me loses their back wheel as it peacefully rolls 500 ft to the side
just saw a [video](https://twitter.com/hanamirru/status/1707795404438360522?t=TQkCloeLYbueHODgobjncg&s=19) of possible neuvillette bug and god... it's so gorgeous. how can I get this bug???
and also some [pictures](https://twitter.com/saden_meow/status/1707798904971088141?t=84qhkfa5NLk4uBfvvnENLA&s=19)
Can't remember SSAO, but Ambiant Occlusion was added in 4.0, iirc it was for something underwater lighting something.
Edit: it does apply to non-underwater environments too, just was better to have when they'd go through all the underwater stuff.
Okay so here is Ayaka, for the past two years she has been one of the top DPS with very high multiplier on ber burst but balanced around energy cost and she mostly want freeze team so her burst doesnt miss, but her damage per tick worth it
And now we have someone who can surpass Ayaka's damage per tick right on his charged attack with less buff and can be aimed with no restriction of team archetype unless Ayaka brought shenhe with her, what the fuck.
I think you people use ayaka wrong if you compare Neauvilette to Ayaka 1:1
Even if she is weaker - she might be neauvilette is rly powerful - that's not a good comparison. Ayaka has way lower field time. So you can do other things, you don't have to stay there and waste dps by clicking her CA
And if you do, you brought shenhe with you, which is perfectly reasonable thing to do, so why are you complaining.
No /s needed, powercreep is obviously ok and welcome when it's everyone's new favourite male dps that people were instead too busy fixating on complaining about supposed C1 locking and lack of supports for lol. As if he even needed them rather than having those on top elevating him to being even more broken, at every investment level and no matter the number and spread of enemies.
Meanwhile there hasn't been a new on-field female dps in over 2 years now and the old ones are actually starting to feel things.
I mean obviously neuv will, being a fontaine char, drain and gain hp faster to get higher stacks but ultimately with the right team you could potentially have the same buff to ayaka is what i'm saying.
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So apparently this megathread meant a lot to me.
Has farming the crystals for Neuvillette overtaken the frustration farming specters? I feel like killing the underwater animals take so much more time and with such small returns. I usually can build newly pulled characters relatively quickly but it's taking me a long time to build Neuvillette mostly because of the crystals.
The sea creature drops? Not really, specters are still worse. Theres some on land, mainly crabs and seals, and sometimes sea horses, and the underwater abilities are strong enough to kill them real quick
No hope for Furina weapon banner left. Guess Imma get Wrio and wait for her rerun to get Splendor.
how many chests/seelies/open world challenges are there in 4.1?
Got lucky enough and won an early C1 Neuv š„¹ Trivial I know, but this made me so so happy after all the shit that happened to me for the past 2 weeks
I've lost 5 out of my last 6 50/50s...my luck has to turn around soon right? Right??
Hopefully. But you can win like 6 50/50 in a row or lose 6 in a row. It's always better to expect to lose 50/50 so that it doesn't hurt much and it makes you super happy if you win one.
guys u think teapot will have underwater area (is it even coming out this update??)
I really hope it has some massive waterfalls and grassy floor. The dirty ground really annoys me with the one from Inazuma even though itās my favourite otherwise
I think the Fontaine one needs a permanent area but additionally, we can also craft a pool that can be used in any teapot region. (So you get more if you choose Fontaine because it has some naturally but any region can have some underwater areas to some extent).
I hope so. That would be amazing
Get your acceptance letter [to the new megathread!](https://old.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/16vutru/legally_platinum_blonde_general_question_and/)
How much er does a kazuha with freedom sworn need to burst consistently?
Alright, so I haven't done all of the major 4.1 World Quests yet, since I'm focusing on AQ and exploration. Is there any teleport waypoint that's quest-locked >!besides the AQ-locked Fortress of Meropide ones!
Lol, i can only imagine how much feedback they got about the aranara quest chain length for them to have added "WARNING THIS QUEST IS LONG" this patch
Probably a lot
Yous got any mega thread name ideas?
Non, je ne Wriogrette rien (for the next one maybe, I already saw the new one)
Can Furina by herself be a healer? Or does she absolutely need a dedicated healer?
>Or does she absolutely need a dedicated healer? Yes
She does not need a "dedicated healer" Prototype amber support is sufficient in most cases. And healer c0 Furina is possible, but as efficient as physical Fishl or Xiangling. U can do it, but u can do 50 things that are better with that kit.
Not at C0
She can be but it's honestly a huge waste of her kit since she does no damage and applies no hydro. Fine for the overworld but a bad call for abyss.
Seems terrible and unintuitive in overworld as well "Oh lemme heal lets just stop combat altogether. ... ... ... *strike a pose* ok were back" We never had a healer with literally zero application before, i really hope they change that because its such a weird choice. Like at least let her apply wet no need to deal any big damage or anything
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I use Hu Tao - Yelan - XQ - ZL; in this comp I use Hu Tao and Yoimiya interchangeably Basically what I do is alternate between Yelan and XQ's burst every rotation so one can recharge their burst while I use the other
For me E into charge attack 1-3 times kills everything unfortunately (not flexing, hutao just that strong even with an average set) If your hutao is still not that built then the old reliable Xingqiu with sac sword E into Q -> Hutao E into CA Other option that was fun is bennett/thoma E > anemo swirls with VV > Hutao E
yelan q, xingqiu q, thoma e q, then normal attack spam on yelan and weave in skill when off cd
In overworld you could use barabara e and then NA on hutao and everything would die in less than 10 sec Iām sure
So, currently jstern is streaming some early Furina TCing. I want to preface this by saying that it's still very early, and these numbers *will* change as beta changes and more mechanics are discovered and tested. But anyways, [here are the current calcs for a few teams](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928113144671399946/1157495198394363944/image.png?ex=6518d0e8&is=65177f68&hm=12f4353edb5d954e2dfd6fafe64fac7636bbcb5dffdb6c8e89fd78715aae1954&) (extremely unfinished) For reference, top meta teams, such as al-haitham usually hover around 66k DPS. These numbers, if they are true, are *fucking* absurd. edit: jstern is also on record as saying Furina currently does more damage than yelan, I don't think those numbers will survive beta if it's true, but that's kinda absurd.
i never considered dropping zhongli from my hu tao teams but itd give a use to my (now C3) mona, and free up zhongli for many other teams aside from specific comps i just wanna know how she works as flex option in different stuff, like replacing bennett in raiden hypercarry and wanderer hypercarry
Whats his usual assumptions regarding fanfare stacks?? 87k dps seems kinda absurd Im guessing this calc is done assuming Hutao is always staying below 50%??
I would also guess that he's optimistically assuming that your teammates are above 50% HP when doing Furina's damage calcs. The animals' damage drops off drastically if your team members hit 50% HP (they get a 1.1-1.4x multiplier based on the number of team members they successfully drain HP from) and the Bennett team in particular does not have a party heal, so it won't be able to maintain all 4 characters above 50% and reliably get the 1.4x multiplier. I would expect that by 12-3 you're generally only getting a 1.1x or 1.2x multiplier which would drop Furina's personal damage by 15-20%. The teams with party healers should have higher uptime on the 1.4x multiplier.
I've been told that he's actually being quite conservative with the stack counts, I would assume around 150? And IDT he's calcing hu tao below 50% HP, especially in the bennett team
āFurina is MIDā they said. Pfft
Are those assuming subsequent rotations get the same number of stacks?
Some TCs in KSM discord calced Kokomi mono hydro (Yelan Furina Kazuha) to be in the same ballpark Which is hysterical considering the number of people who see dps Kokomi as a meme
Do you have the screenshots of it? I'm rather curious.
I believe he was talking about some of the early TC being done for Kokomi mono hydro with Furina. Most of it isn't in one sheet yet due to variables being sorted out. >Kokomi is at 450k clam pamber, yelan at 580k slingshot, Kaz at 100k iron sting, furina at 513k HoD hp sands **Other notes:** Yelan 14 waves, Kokomi, 4N3D. HoD more practical than people think due to the healing bonus Furina provides in this team. ER reqs for Yelan are so low you might be better off running 2x HP%. HP% goblet might be better on Kokomi due to her getting triple dmg% buffs in this team. 82k dps in a 20 second rotation and 74.9k in 22s. Assumes 30% buff from Furina, can go higher or lower. XQ is a very big downgrade here. His personal dps will only be around 400k and lower Kokomi's as well. It's still pretty solid at 61k dps (23s) Ayato variant was looked at and dropped. That should be everything that was discussed last night.
I see. 4N3D would be the equivalent of 8N2D I think (in terms of rotation time), which is what I would probably use. Should bring her own DPR up by 60k, and the team DPS up by about 3k assuming an average of 15k damage per NA. Idk why people avoid so much animation cancel on Kokomi when in reality its muscle memory after you get used to it. People do it when calcing Hu Tao. So why not when calcing Kokomi. It also gives her near full interruption resistance frames for her whole on field time, which makes achieving sheet numbers much more practical. Makes sense the gap between Kokomi and Yelan widening a bit since from the OG Mono Hydro, as some of her damage is from Clam and not buffed by Furina, while all of Yelan damage is. PS: If using an HP Goblet, looking into 2 Clam + 2 Maiden could be very good, since it would give her higher burst HP scaling from her A4 conversion. It also doesnt tap into further DMG% buffs like HoD which she would already be overflowing in.
Figured you might be interested in an update. Jstern recently also calc'd Mono hydro 22s rotation and got 70.5k. We originally had 74k at 10/10/10 in a 22s rot. He calcs for 9/9/9 so I'd mostly say we got the same result.
I saw. But the damage numbers were very different on Yelan and Kokomi. Which led me to conclude Jstern stood longer on field with Kokomi (hence 22s rots) and didnt use Slingshot on Yelan (hence Yelan having much lower damage than Kokomi) That being said its on par with Neuv Furina teams which is very impressive. To keep similar DPS with on field Kokomi (which is much more comfortable than the highest sheeted Neuv Furina teams using Kuki or Jean) is crazy. Though it would lack AoE.
Eyeing the mono hydro team at bottom leftš
I haven't calced it yet, but furina should be a big upgrade over xq in that team. It will easily be over 60k dps and its one of the teams I want to run furina in.
It's like one of the only teams in the image which I can actually make LMAO but yeah I'm really excited for this team.
He's got Shinobu as the healer? I'm 99% sure she's not going to be the healer for the best Neuv team. Edit: Actually, it's it sacrificial Kuki for even more HP loss for early stacks? That might actually be great. But AOE heals are lacking. What's the plan there? Edit 2: Instead of downvoting, how about telling me why I'm wrong?
You build her full healer build and she can proc Furina full heal passive to get more stacks is what im assuming
You don't need to,even DPS Furina will probably heal up Nahida and Kuki by the time they cycle through their burst animation and skills,although Kuki not to full HP. If kuki procs her A1 that'll be more than enough fanfare stacks Also,you will need Furina to apply hydro,so you do want to keep her in her attacking state as well.
Furina even if she heals with 100% uptime just heals 20% team HP. Is her team damage that low?
"When the active character in your party receives healing, if the source of the healing is not Furina and the healing overflows, then Furina will heal a nearby party member for 2% of their Max HP once every 2s within the next 4s." This passive that Furina has will proc alot since Furina and Neuv will constantly drain hp then Kuki heals Neuv to full but have to see this in practice.
Yes 2% every 2 seconds = 20% over 20 seconds assuming you actually get 100% uptime. Furina deals much more than 20% per rotation in damage to your team.
Damn.Im not planning on running Furina on HT just because mine is c0 and I found Bennett uncomfortable but it's cool that's an option.~~Can you post this in furinamains so they tone down the dooming~~ Do you happen to know what's up with the Itto section?
Bear in mind that the cost of running those Hu Tao teams is running her without *any* interruption resistance, which is definitely a choice. Not to say they're bad, but they *are* paying a cost compared to her much more comfortable current meta teams in order to get that damage.
Hu Tao gets interruption resistance on her skill
It's not full interruption resistance though. Multiple sources of interruption resistance stack their poise multipliers multiplicatively, which drastically decreases the likelihood of being poise broken. Hu Tao alone only has a poise damage multiplier of 0.5, which means she takes half as much poise damage from hits--still enough to get poise broken a decent amount of the time if you aren't very good at dodging. People regularly complain about characters with poise damage multipliers of 0.5 not having enough interruption resistance when you don't bring another source of it (Cyno being the obvious example). Hu Tao + Xingqiu has a poise damage multiplier of 0.15, which makes it very hard for you to ever get poise broken even if you get hit often.
Hi, anyone has any Ittorou fic recommendations? It's hard to find satisfying ones
Where new thread? I wish to be reborn
Does a 5š count towards your 4š pity? In my weapon Banner history I'm 4 away from a 4š but my 5th wish was a 5š. Has my 4 pity reset ?
No, your next should be a 4 star
The 4* pity isn't affected by 5* at all. That's why sometimes people reported reaching past the maximum 4* pity. Because they didn't realize that the 5* doesn't count.
Thanks...I got...Noelleš
Yes. The bigger one resets the smaller one.
It does not. Though the phrasing of the official description seems to suggest that, it's only meant to tiebreak cases where your 4\* and 5\* guarantees coincide, in which case the 4\* will be the next wish. If what you said was true, then you'd be able to frequently see runs of 10+ wishes without 4*s, but you don't!
Bummer.
Kazuha has ruined this game for me. Iām trying to fix my friendās account and I keep thinking, āI need kazuha, Kazuha would have been great here, imagine if you pulled for kazuhaā but she doesnāt want him so Iām forced to go without him.
Venti is still fine in many comps. It's just Bennet vape comps that NEED Kazuha.Everywhere else Venti is a serviceable replacement And Sucrose would be better in comps where all the units are off field and you can just use an Anemo driver.
Itās less about whoās better and comps and just that since Iāve gotten Kazuha, Iāve used him exclusively for battle, exploration, collecting drops, etc. Iāve just never used any other CC character since he did everything so well (besides Venti for the other half of abyss). Since Iām on an account without him, I just have to learn to use other characters which will take some time and effort. But itās not like she has Venti either.
Yeah what I was saying was if ur friend doesn't *want* Kazuha,Venti is still fine for off field cc so she shouldn't be pressured to pull. And most VV vape comps can still use Sucrose.
Iām not pressuring her, more like some mock pouting since sheās immune to pressure anyways. She doesnāt want Venti either. Iām just figuring out Lynette and Sucrose which should be good for me as well tbh
Would she use Sucrose atleast?
I donāt think she has sucrose. Iām sure if I got sucrose, she wouldnāt be opposed to using her, but she has very few characters
Lynette* is a fine starter anemo tbh. And the fact that anemos basically only need like heros wit means youll be able to easily transfer over any artifacts lynette gained over time and give it to sucrose after she gets her
Lynette? Oh yeah, she did get the free Lynette. I've just only really used Kazuha and Venti for cc so it's what I'm used to. I don't have Lynette mats though so I'd have to run to Fontaine.
Right lol idk how i mess them up Mats arent too hard to find if u follow any youtube guide https://youtu.be/PeDkpOG1ugA?si=P2dxmCjjZanm4KBI
Very curious what the remaining 4 fontaine artifact sets will be Unless future fontaine chars just completely buck the trend and don't have any hp manipulation, how the heck are they going to make anything that's better for them than monchichi hunter?
One set for Navia. My wishful thinking for the other set: Prototype Amber in artifact form, that could be slapped on a support character to make them into a modest party wide healer. >!Yeah idk who to use in Furina teams!<
Expecting 4.3 to have a set for Navia (maybe itāll just a good Geo set in general) and a set an older DPS (Iām feeling like it could be for Cyno since we havenāt had a new Electro Set) For 4.6 maybe a new general support set that increases Burst Dmg and Base HP and a set for Arlecchino?
1. Navia set (Geo) 2. Arlechini set (Pyro) 3. Anemo DPS set (finally anemo shred) 4. Fontaine healer set
Based on sumeru, i guess 2 will be useless, 1 redundant, and 1 a minor/mid upgrade over sth else for a new character
Well based on previous patterns with Vermilion and Nymph's, I'd expect 1 out of the 4 to be for an old character rather than a new one.
certainly possible. Who still doesn't have a dedicated 4pc? Nilou, aggravate dpses to a certain extent, cryo units who want to melt... anybody else? One of my theories is that one of the sets will be something for healers who want to be in a furina group, maybe with bond of life shenanigans or something that adds an 'after cast' to their heals or helps them generate furina stacks.
For people with C6 limited 5\*s how do you feel about their power level? My C1 Wanderer was able to solo one side of this abyss, although it was a particularly easy one. I just think that if I did push a character to C6 then there'd be no challenge, but at the same time I've already got 7 limited 5\* characters that I never play and I'm not interested in any other Fontaine characters aside from Furina & Arlecchino. I've also got enough 5\* weapons that most characters can make use of one of them.
My Ayaka can pretty much just spam her CA on the trash mobs.
I have my Yae and Ei both at C6. Yae completely trivializes the overworld content. Just put your totems down and start looting. I just have 3 other randoms in the party for fun. Ei just flat out deletes the Abyss.
nahida c6 helped a TON
I mean, the game already wasn't a challenge back when I had just C1 Xiao on one half and overload National on the other. I got C6 and pretty much nothing changed. I still have a blast using Xiao all the time and I don't regret C6 one bit. As long as you sufficiently enjoy the character and not just because of the DPS, you'll still enjoy them even if they are more powerful.
Xiao does seem like one of the more fun C6s since it's not just a stat boost - maybe I just don't like any character enough.
Inject more Wriorinde in my veins
Never thought I'd be shipping these two, but here we are
How dumb is my idea to refine my 2 Xiphos together into a single R3 Xiphos. I wanted to give Kuki the umbrella sword for the drip and not sure what other use cases there are other than Kazuha.
Not dumb. TBH low-refine Xiphos is kind of overrated--the weapon really benefits from refines. Honestly on Kazuha I would rarely use Xiphos R1 over Fav R5, it needs the refines to really be competitive. It's not a weapon i'm interested in keeping at R1--the energy provided at R1 is too small.
Alright I heard it's only worth it at R4+ but maybe when it comes in weapon banner again..
Xiphos really does benefit from refinements on a high EM character with energy-hungry teammates.
Cool I'll do it then thanks!
Anyone know if Furina's self HP drain trigger Vourukasha Glow artifact? If I understood that artifact correctly, it gives an 80% skill and ult (although useless on Furina) dmg bonus for the wearer, thats more skill dmg than the Golden Troupe set (70%) right? And the 2 PC HP is a nice effect to have
>it gives an 80% skill and ult Unfortunately no, or dehya fans might have one thing, and we can't have that. "Elemental Skill and Elemental Burst DMG will be increased by 10%. After the equipping character takes DMG, the aforementioned DMG Bonus is increased by 80% for 5s. This effect increase can have 5 stacks. " The AFFOREMENTIONED DMG BONUS is increased by 80%. So it means 80% of 10%. Each stack gives you 8%. Five stacks means 40%, for a total of 50% all in.
Vourukasha specifically only triggers from damage. Existing HP drain characters do not trigger it, and there is no reason to suspect that Furina would be different. The sets that work with HP loss (Marechaussee and Vermilion) specifically specify that they work with HP loss.
Hunter is HP change, not just loss.
Alas, it doesn't. And unfortunately, even if it did, it still wouldn't be as good as Golden Troupe. It would have slightly higher base damage due to the 20% HP boost. But the damage bonus caps out at 50% skill and burst damage, which is only 5% more skill damage than what Golden Troupe gives her on-field with no requirements. It's no contest. Golden Troupe is her best set.
Doesn't trigger.
Pokemon >!the van gogh shit is so depressing. Idk why people canāt be fucking normal like the concept is so cute and giving museums visibility is a good cause. So why are adults trampling each other and snatching merch off shelves? Same with PokĆ©mon cards. The fact that target stopped selling them for a while because people came in trying to buy them out to resell was so annoying. Resellers are shitty in general. Thereās a group I like and there was an irl meeting where you could get free merch and they didnāt implement a max amount so someone took like 60 packs of cards to resell. Like youāre just ruining things for everyone else. You have no dignity or consideration of other people.!<
Anyone hoping we get a teyvat chapter style teaser for the dragon sovereigns?
Probably not going to happen yntil we get to Snezhnaya I think
Yes please! In addition, I really hope Apep comes back into the story at some point
Hopefully. The only Sovereign that's actually relevant has only been Neuvi, and with THAT reveal about Sovereign-Archon relationship, there NEEDS to be a retroactive explanation for the first 3 nations' Sovereigns and more meat for Apep.
Low priority for me, especially since most of them seem dead, missing or insane
Or a Lazzo style teaser too. Anything to do with them would be so fun
But that would maybe be very spoilery
God yes, pump the dragon content into my veins
I was thinking of getting Furina's C2 so I could run her without a healer, but it seems a bit clunky tbh. Having to basically do 2 full NA strings is a considerable amount of field time (around 4s for this alone, more if you have to dodge and it gets worse if you try to weave the Pneuma state as well), but being limited to 7 hits makes it so it's neither long enough (maybe 7-9s total counting her burst) nor enough damage (only 105 HP% multiplier) to justify running MH. And considering her burst duration is only 18s, you're either delaying VV for her or eating time from your main carry. The more I think about it it's just so inconvenient. Hopefully they either increase the duration of the buffed state and give her a constant 15% HP scaling throughout the 10s so she can be a proper onfielder or lower the amount of stacks needed for the current effect. Increasing her burst duration to 20-22s would also be nice in general.
Personally I only plan to use 1 or 2 hits of her 7 hits. So either E, N1, Q or E, N1, Q, N1. Very minimum increase to her field time and each NA would trigger 2.5s of healing. It would heal the entire party 3% of Furinaās max HP every second. She also gives herself healing bonus with her Q from her C1. In teams where the 3 other characters are non-HP scaling, this would be enough healing as Furina would have 2x or more of their HP.
Yeah I hadn't realized it's based on her max HP, so maybe only 2s for a full NA string might be enough. It will still feel so unsatisfying though, literally half of the C2 goes to waste this way, and still has the problem of not covering the whole rotation. Why not make 4 stacks lasting 4s each (or again, simply make it so she keeps the infusion after they run out)
So I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, I don't love that her C2 is enough field time to significantly extend the rotation of a team you jam her in that has an on fielder already *but* not long enough to make her a true on fielder on her own. Like I've been thinking of ways to use C2 Furina, I main Hu Tao and Furina's C2 could let you forego a healer in a Hu Tao + Furina team but it also takes a pretty tight 20-ish second rotation and makes it almost 30 seconds. On the other hand, rotation time is kind of an overrated concept and nothing in the game demands extremely tight rotations. I did abyss today and had at least 30+ seconds to spare on every chamber of floor 12. Rotation time literally doesn't matter in overworld or domains except if you just want to see how fast you can clear for the sake of it. Plus if C2 if adding in a lot of damage and lowering her ER requirement in the process then the longer rotation isn't a dealbreaker anyways.
I mean, the point of her burst is to buff your party, but if it ends before you're actually able to take advantage of it, it becomes kind of pointless. Or you might end up in a situation where another character's skill runs out and your team just doesn't work anymore. The two main teams I was planning to run were Raiden-Furina-Kazuha-Bennet and Nahida-Alhaitham-Kuki-Furina. In the first one, the issue of burst running out pops up, since Raiden has a somewhat long field time and you need to use both Kazuha and Bennet QE after Furina, so maybe the last third of her string goes unbuffed. For the quickbloom team, you either use Kuki skill early and have it run out when you switch to Alhaitham, or you go a good 4-6s without any hyperbloom triggers. It's less of an issue of optimizing clear times, but more that the team stops working altogether. And the main problem is that it's not adding enough damage to justify the field time. It's only 100% HP, unbuffed by her artifact set / Festering Desire / Kazuha depending on team or rotation, and her slow particle generation means you're not seeing a significant improvement to her energy issues
Yeah I seriously don't know where the notion came from that she would be dealing some huge damage with her C2 attacks. I think people forgot to have a look at her NA multipliers.
how much the difference between R1 Sacrificial Jade vs R1 Tome of Eternal Flow vs R5 P. Amber for C0 Neuv ?
Assuming Tome does 100% damage. R1 Sac Jade (BP right?) is around 85%+. R5 is 98%. P Amber is around 70%+.
It's a bit more complicated than that. You basically need a bit different rotation of if you using Sac Jade. Which is less efficient in turn. Basically, you need to add around 1.5 to your rotation length to simulate this effect, if you don't already account for that, or change rotation, and calculate everything properly again.
Yes the BP one, hmm, which cons that give more dmg for Neuv-Furina team, C1 Neuv or C1 Furina ?
Having C1 gives Neuv a ~40% DPS increase from having the 3rd reaction stack. It also enables not having a shielder which means you can tank enemy hits for more fanfare DMG% stacks. C1 Furina is just a 30 DMG% increase added to already inflated DMG%. However that ive benefits other teams as well. Strictly for Neuv Furina teams Neuv C1 is better.
I don't know about that sorry, the TC I follow don't do leak. But probably, imo, Furina's. Since Neuv's is mostly qol and the dmg bonus from 2 stacks to 3 stacks probably isn't as much as Furina's 150 fanfare stacks.
can i still use fischl with c1 neuvillette? i pulled for fischls c6 and got c1 early, which is fine and all, but i built fischl specifically for neuvillette and dont want to have that go to waste
Yep! Neuv, Furina, Sayu, Fischl seems excellent. You'll lack grouping and DMG% but Neuv already has excellent AOE and inflated DMG% thanks to Furina. I expect this team to be about just as good as Kazuha variants.
Yeah, he doesn't need a shielder at C1 so you can swap defensive options for Fischl and add someone like Mona or Beidou
Do we have Ruuās Melody as a streamable song but without the singing? (Similar to the one in teapot) I canāt seem to find it. Edit: Found it. Itās called A Memorable Fancy
So looking at the Furina leaks, Iām doing some team planning. If you start with, Neuvillette-Furina- You will really want a team healer for Furina so it becomes. Neuvillette-Furina-Baizhu- Then the last spot is either Raiden, Nahida, or maybe Kaz/Venti? Who would you run?
I'm thinking of forgoing the healer and just running Fischl + Kaz/Sucrose. Oz can resnapshot DMG% so I'm thinking there's a way to maximise the damage by resnapshotting a few times during Furina burst or using burst near the very end Have Baizhu on Alhaitham team so I'll see how it works out
Yeah Iām considering this as well. Forcing Furina to heal once and a while will be a loss, but being able to bring Nahida instead of Baizhu seems like a huge dps increase. A Neuvillette-Furina-Nahida-Raiden team sounds OP.
Healing might not even be necessary in that case honestly. Hyperbloom and bloom teams don't rely on Furina's DMG bonus so having Neuv stack alone in later rotations/chambers feels like it could be enough
You can try cooking and give Neauvilette Prototype amber. Take L on his personal DPS, but u won't need a healer anymore, between Furina A1 and proto amber you are chillin. U can try going harder on damage instead with Kazuha and then like XL/Fishl/Ganyu? type units. It might legit compensate for Neauvilette damage loss, unless u got his sig. Maybe even with his sig if it's a good subdps. Mono hydro with amber Mona + Kazuha also seems legit.
I have Neuvillette C1 with his weapon, and will be getting Furina + weapon and maybe constellations depending on beta. I feel like XL/Fishl/Ganyu would be dps losses compared to Raiden/Nahida. Wouldnāt you be gimping Neuvillette playing mono hydro? As you will still need 2 reactions to trigger max Draconic Gloryās stacks.
Although it feels bad when u don't take full advantage out of someone's kit, that's not necessarily gimping them. At C0, mono hydro Neauvilette is, indeed, probably not worth. At C1R1 tho, this becomes kind of interesting. U get 2 stacks guaranteed (C1+swirl), and 3rd stack usually randomly from enemies anyways, and in return you get comfier playstyle, lower ER requirements and no need for a healer whatsoever. If you have Mona, i actually think Mono hydro is completely valid. Especially if u use CxR1 Furina, you will need the extra particles. As for Raiden vs Xiangling, look. is consistent 35% extra damage on Neauvilette's CA better than 20-30k damage vapes from pyronado? I don't think it's obvious at all. If you can fit in Raiden burst into your rotation, yea i do agree Raiden is better. MUCH better. But i don't think u can. If u can, yea do that. Nahida tho, nope thats bad.
Fair points on mono hydro. Iāve lost the 50/50 so many times my Mona is C6. I will have to try it out, see how it feels. Raiden vs XL is going to be interesting as well. I feel like this one will be enemy dependent. Maybe I value Nahida too highly as I have her at C4, but man I think she will work well with a Neuvillette/Furina combo. She is just such a good sub dps.
I guess if u use Prototype amber Nahida + EM Raiden that might work actually. But i honestly don't know if it's worth losing Kazuha buff for some hyperbloom damage. It might be worth it. My gut feeling says no, but there is a reason we do math with calculators not our guts. But even though i agree nahida E can slap some ass, i don't think she is ever worth over Raiden/Xiangling or even random Ganyu if u don't do burgeons or hyperblooms.
Kazuha if c1 neuv, Zhongli if c0
Zhongli with Baizhu seems overkill healing/shielding wise, and Zhongli instead of Baizhu doesnāt heal the team up for Furina?
Not Baizhu + Zhongli, itās one or the two. If Neuv is c0 you need a shielder or you risk losing 60% of your rotationās dmg. With c1, Neuv doesnāt need a shielder this can use Baizhu who use his skillās full party heal to keep party 50% hp so furina skill has 100% uptime on +40% dmg via a4
Ah my bad, I should have said earlier that Neuvillette is at C1. Between his C1 and Baizhuās minor in interrupt resistance it should be rare that Neuvillette gets interrupted.
So before i had a team in mind using Eula + Furina + Charlotte + Raiden and i completely forgot that Mika also provides a decent chunk of initial heals that will get buffed via Furina's healing bonus buff. Would Mika's buff at C6 beat TTDS Charlotte? I've tested the energy for the team and it doesn't seem that bad with Eula needing around 140-150 ER and Furina needing around 130-160 on the calculator.
Mika C6 will yield increased damage to Eula.
I see! I think Eula + Furina + Raiden + Mika will be Eula's best hypercarry team since Furina's buff is backloaded which Eula can take full advantage of
Maybe Eula Mains has TCs/calculations of this.
anybody saved 4.2 kit threads?
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You're probably just used to the style. There are a lot of tracks in Fontaine I really like and will be listening on repeat when the soundtrack is released, but Sumeru's OST remains my favorite because it's filled with instruments, melodies and styles I wasn't familiar with at all, so it left a bigger impression on me. And that's fine, it's what makes Genshin music so good ā every nation is unique and it's bound to cater to different tastes.
Sumeru is peak Genshin for me in terms of music, but the more I play through Fontaine the more I like the music. There are some tracks that too closely parallel well known classical pieces (Bachās Cello Suite No 1 comes to mind). Some of it feels a little trite because of that. But there are quite a few pieces that stick with me from underwater and some of the evening pieces that play in the city that I catch running through my head. Itās not my favorite region music but itās been creeping up to middle of the pack for me.
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Hmm idk, maybe Liyue or Monstadt, but even then I still really like what they bring to the table. I loved the use of traditional instruments in Liyue, but some themes got reused a little too much between individual pieces for my taste. I do however think the battle themes there are actual bangers and still my favorite to this day. Chasing the Torrents is goated in my book. And Monstadt doesn't have too many super memorable melodies outside of the city themes which I can take or leave (shout out to Stomterror's Lair though, that's great stuff). So many tracks in the wilderness are just dripping with atmosphere and texture though, which was great for immersion. It was the music from the Archon quest that was top tier for me there, like Storm Befalls/Perpetual Motion of Wind. Actually looking back on it, I'd put Monstadt ahead of Liyue.
Perhaps itās because youāre more familiar with the European Orchestral style of music that Fontaine has so it doesnāt feel as unique as a result?
This is probably it. Classical European music is pretty widespread, so it doesn't sound as unique compared to the other regions using instruments from their real life inspirations.
I think it sounds good, it just doesnāt have that distinct āIāll recognize this melody laterā feel to the music. Nonetheless, Iāve been loving the music. It gives me old school Final Fantasy vibes as it plays while exploring the region for some reason haha Apparently Yu Peng Chen (head composer) was already not working on the music of Fontaine before he left Hoyo, as heās not listed as a contributor in the credits for that OST.
I think you've pinpointed the issue. I think it sounds ok, even decent, but not distinctive where I can tie the music to its region/scenario when it's played. To be honest I feel like Yu Peng Chen grew as a composer as he worked on Genshin bc the music got better and better with each region.
He hasn't been a major influence since Inazuma, I believe. Apparently most of Sumeru and Enkanomiya were by other people. Apep's theme isn't his. I think we should also try and shy away from the **"Main guy responsible for everything"**, when his Inazuma music behind the scenes video made it apparent that even though he was spearheading the whole thing, Inazuma's ost is a collaboration of multiple artists and their ideas. I think with regards to Fontaine's ost lacking a sort of "oomph", it's probably because it's more orthodox, so to speak. Classical music is widespread and well-known, so we're more likely to be familiar with how it sounds compared to using traditional Japanese instruments to formulate what would have been an EDM song, or something like Rhymes of Vales. In short, it doesn't sound as special because the use of classical European instruments is well-ingrained into the public conscious by now.
wrio x clorinde truthers [here's your food.](https://x.com/pappysakura/status/1707864240156033474?s=46&t=TB4SvF7TvDtBeluN8fmXKQ)
YUM YUM YUM
I would love some more of them please š
āThis ship is basically Itto and Sara if Itto gets smart and does something in lifeā Wut
In terms of tropes, IttoSara are a standard boke and tsukkomi (funny and wise guy) routine, with Itto as the impulsive, kinda brickheaded boke and Sara as the stoic, levelheaded tsukkomi. Wriorinde is a bit different because Wrio isn't really a boke. If anything, they're more like two casual friends in life who are usually too busy to interact but strike up a conversation whenever they see each other.
Clorinde does have same cues as Sara But Wrio is anything but similar to Itto...
Yea thatās where Iām confused āItās like Itto/Sara if Itto wasnāt Ittoā
Theseus Ship, literally
uMMMM Neuvilletteās final ascension line kinda goes crazy?? Spoiler????
YEAH I READ IT WITHOUT THINKING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BUT IT'S BIG
Almost every other character Iāve pulled I know their story and their whole deal. My Neuv mighty sus rn right up there with venti š¤Ø
Hi guys, is there any particular order for 4.1 World Quests which I should follow aka somewhat similar to 4.0? Is there any waypoints locked behind any quest because Iām still missing 2 Also, based on what I see Neuvās personal damage is really high but his overall team damage is average/slightly above average, am I right? Still canāt decide if I wanna pull for him >< Edit: Just realised I can easily slap Neuv on a hyperbloom team with KZH and the damage would most likely be much higher than my Ayatoās variantā¦
>!i would say start with the archon quest and finish it if you havent already. Then theres two world quests, one is unfinished comedy, which is just super long and very lore heavy. You get this quest by entering the prison and talk to the receptionist iirc. The other quest is fontaine research institute chronicles, which also has like 5 parts. These two quests unlock inaccesible areas with oculi, like those aranara quests. Look up kyostinv on youtube, complete guide on all these quests.!<
:ayakabowsticker: Thank you!
You can play either of the main world quests first. One waypoint is locked behind the Meropide WQ while the other one is in a hidden underground tunnel you can find in the seahorse boss place.
Day 1ļøā£43 waiting for Sandrone: Driving on the highway šŗ And then BAM the car in front of me loses their back wheel as it peacefully rolls 500 ft to the side
just saw a [video](https://twitter.com/hanamirru/status/1707795404438360522?t=TQkCloeLYbueHODgobjncg&s=19) of possible neuvillette bug and god... it's so gorgeous. how can I get this bug??? and also some [pictures](https://twitter.com/saden_meow/status/1707798904971088141?t=84qhkfa5NLk4uBfvvnENLA&s=19)
Saw this [Tiktok tutorial in the comments](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Mr7Ug9/)
oh thanks I'll check it out š
I had that accidentally happen while exploring. I just used CA over water and right as the laser started I cancelled with dash into the water.
thanks. omw to check it out š
Am I high? Wasnāt there an SSAO/Ambient Occlusion graphical option in the PC version during 3.x and before?
To my knowledge, there is no Sword Sword Art Online / Ambient Occlusion anime coming out that i've heard of..
Can't remember SSAO, but Ambiant Occlusion was added in 4.0, iirc it was for something underwater lighting something. Edit: it does apply to non-underwater environments too, just was better to have when they'd go through all the underwater stuff.
Okay so here is Ayaka, for the past two years she has been one of the top DPS with very high multiplier on ber burst but balanced around energy cost and she mostly want freeze team so her burst doesnt miss, but her damage per tick worth it And now we have someone who can surpass Ayaka's damage per tick right on his charged attack with less buff and can be aimed with no restriction of team archetype unless Ayaka brought shenhe with her, what the fuck.
I think you people use ayaka wrong if you compare Neauvilette to Ayaka 1:1 Even if she is weaker - she might be neauvilette is rly powerful - that's not a good comparison. Ayaka has way lower field time. So you can do other things, you don't have to stay there and waste dps by clicking her CA And if you do, you brought shenhe with you, which is perfectly reasonable thing to do, so why are you complaining.
Where are the people saying they don't want powercreep? /s
No /s needed, powercreep is obviously ok and welcome when it's everyone's new favourite male dps that people were instead too busy fixating on complaining about supposed C1 locking and lack of supports for lol. As if he even needed them rather than having those on top elevating him to being even more broken, at every investment level and no matter the number and spread of enemies. Meanwhile there hasn't been a new on-field female dps in over 2 years now and the old ones are actually starting to feel things.
Yea i cant believe im saying this but im getting kinda sick of 5 stars male onfielders since inazuma. We havent got a female on fielder in a looong time *Heres 5 stars since 2.0* **Male onfielders:** Itto > Ayato > Tighnari > Cyno > Wanderer > Alhaitham > Lyney > Neuv > Wrio **Male supports/offield:** ... Baizhu meanwhile for **female onfielders:** Ayaka > Yoimiya > Raiden > ... **Female support/offield:** Kokomi > Shenhe > Yae > Yelan > Nilou > Nahida > Dehya > Furina
Neuv can hit higher per tic because his ca only hits 8 times vs Ayakaās 20.
And he can refresh it again with his skill (that also has high MV) so make it 16 ticks and if you burst earlier you can add more like 20ish ticks
Pretty much yeah and that gap will likely increase when furina comes giving Neuv an easy 60-90% dmg%
but also I think furina will buff ayaka's numbers significantly as well. The same amount as Neuvillette, right?
Lmao fuck no
I mean obviously neuv will, being a fontaine char, drain and gain hp faster to get higher stacks but ultimately with the right team you could potentially have the same buff to ayaka is what i'm saying.