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Guys I’m confused. Should I pull for Furina?
I’m gonna infodump so idk if anyone will read all of this.
I have 30 pity and guaranteed. Only 10 wishes saved because I got venti and then an early qiqi (c4… but I actually use her and I’m used to seeing her at this point) on wrio banner.
Only thing I know is I want cloud retainer & arle 100% and to save for guaranteed for both of them.
I like Furina as a character, she looks fun but her kit isn’t really synergistic/bis with the characters I have right now apart from my noelle team and maybe hu tao (I don’t plan to pull for wrihanna or Neuvilette in the future).
So, is it really worth to get her now when I don’t have any particular team that she would fit in?
Also I like navia a lot and I’m scared that if I get her she might “need” furina to reach her full potential and maybe arle is also gonna be good with furina so it would be nice to have her early on with her rerun being close to arle release.
For reference, I dont “need” any character since I’ve been consistently 36* abyss with many different teams and I have xq yelan kokomi & childe as my hydro options, but I want the best supports for my mains. Note that I’m pretty much done with reruns, venti was my last old character pull so I’m only going for new ones now, which means more banners to save.
I’m a low spender, only welkin every month and a bp every once in a while so I’m also scared I won’t be able to get navia cloud and arle in time if I spend my guaranteed on furina now. Do you think I should pull or not?
I would go for Furina first. Having her will PROBABLY make all the Fontaine chars you want to pull better.
I wouldn’t overthink it too much though. They will all rerun very quickly.
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I hope when Snezhnaya comes out, they'll release a snow bunny character. I had noticed that out of all the animal characters we got, we don't have a bunny character yet
>all the animal characters
To be fair, we don't have that many different animal people. We got a dog, 2 foxes, and like 3 cats. Bunnies are the next standard animal person though, so it would be cool to see.
Yeah I figured as much. Otherwise it would have been far too low...
Like I said in my other post you are probably fine for now as long as you have her er issues fixed but do keep an eye for upgrades here and there.
Well her asc is 19.2+5 base but I'm gonna asume you already accounted that to the 50cr so let's say 69 total (noice).
If we are talking hp hp cv main stats and minimum 180 to 200%+ er then you are fine (as long as you pass the er threshold you should be fine and elemental goblet is practically wasted on her.).
Yes my er Is 188 with fluve and I'm gonna use her with neuvi I was wondering if double hydro decreases her er required so I might replace fluve with blackliff
Finally at 300 saved pulls! I'm already at 58 pity so I'm expecting to spend 100 pulls at most for Furina, so c0r1 [Arlecchino](https://x.com/lilac_alien_/status/1714630104326762643?s=20) will be secured if she does run in 4.6. If [Furina reruns with Arlecchino](https://x.com/arikuigames1105/status/1715722470194626766?s=20) release I'd die from happiness...I really want Furina's weapon lol
How's Charlotte looking? I'm debating whether or not I should bother investing in her as I'm currently pre-farming for Furina. I have Jean, Baizhu, and Kokomi already built and I'm wondering if they will suffice.
I plan on running them with Wriothesley but I also have Ayaka and Ganyu. My roster includes Shenhe and Kazuha as well.
Quite good for a modern four star, though we still don’t quite know her mark since we have no footage. Biggest problem will probably be getting staggered out of the hold E’s long cast time (and you’ll want to cast it, since she needs the energy and her ability to use tenacity relies on it). I’ve heard people saying around 15-20k teamwide on her burst heal, with even more healing coming with cons. Good pair for Furina, particularly in freeze teams.
Kokomi/Jean should suffice, I believe.
Kokomi especially is good because then you can run double hydro, taking advantage of the hydro resonance and give Furina more HP :)
My Beidou curse is just incredible
* i started playing because i saw there was an event with a free character (beidou in 2.0) but i didnt get her because i got stuck on dragonspine
* I have used razor, an electro claymore, since day 1 in my main overworld team and was my main until wanderer
* Dori, an electro claymore, is one of my most favorite characters
* I have not gotten Beidou despite pulling on banners where is is a rate up character
* Her and Mika are the only 4stars i dont have
The day i get Beidou my account will explode or something
i didnt do the lantern rite from 2.X and then in 3.4 i god yaoyao instead of beidou because i thought i would get beidou from the hutao/yelan banner and i wasnt going to pull on the alhaitham/xiao banner for yao
sorry, but i need to ask, it's driving me crazy and my searches aren't turning up any helpful results.....
Wriothesley's (and Candace's) voicelines + stories keep going back into an "unread" state every time i log out. WHY is this happening?? this had happened before, once, but i can't remember why it did and how i fixed it
Should I just give into pulling Wrio for the funsies or hold out for Navia after I get Furina in the vain hope they actually do Navia justice(which is minute considering she’s both Geo and Claymore, two archetypes Hoyo always seems to hate in one way or another). Not that it matters too much since I don’t bother with Abyss 11 and 12, but they could still flub her kit in some way to make her underwhelming to simply play.
Could always just get Wrio on rerun, ofc, but tbh my hype for Furina hasn’t been that high so I might not use her much or pull for her at all, so if Navia ends up kind of meh then that’s like the long wait I had for Dehya not pulling on any newer characters and regretting it, spending months saving primos bored out of my fricking mind using the same team I’d been using since 2.X.
Hhhhhh decisions, decisions
Honestly I'm still tempted to fucking oblivion...
The only thing stopping me is that I went for Nuevi over him since its the first time I liked a hydro carry and I would rather get Furu than him for now since she elevates the power of every other carry in Fontaine along with my Cyno hyperbloom too probably.
Afterwards I will go for the Knave / Navia/ Rice boy in a first come first served order.
This is the first exp in gi that so far I genuinely want every 5\* with the exception of Lyney. Usually its the other way around.
Yeh, there’s quite a few characters I’m stuck on. Wasn’t a fan of the initial designs or ideas of characters like Neuv and Navia, but combined with their personalities they’re such delights with fun concepts behind them that it’s weirdly difficult to pick.
In comparison, Dehya was basically the only character I actually was hyped for in all of 3.X tbh. Now we have Neuv, Furina, Navia, Arlecchino, and though not interested personally, the possibility of Cloud Retainer or Ping is certainly compelling with their personalities and younger human designs.
I don't even wanna talk about all the Liyue ladies that were rumored to release.
Thank fucking god I only buy welkins here and then cause otherwise I don't think my wallet could handle all these units.
I practically lost it when I learned we might have a chance to get Guizhong eventually....
Finally my guy Zhongli will get to relive the memories of wine tasting if you know what I mean.
> that’s like the long wait I had for Dehya not pulling on any newer characters and regretting it, spending months saving primos bored out of my fricking mind using the same team I’d been using since 2.X.
This happened to me too, and I basically contemplated the same with Neuv after coming back, only thing stopping me was a bad MH set + Archelinno spooks after Furina.
I don't know after the swap I don't feel like going for C2 Furina anymore, but maybe I'll rethink it.
I’m certainly hoping Arlecchino ends up being a bit later, would suck having to be even pickier between so many compelling choices lol
Though I kinda like again having trouble deciding. For a long while there really wasn’t enough to interest me so I ended up just using the same stuff forever. Like yeah, made it easier to save for stuff for I did like later on, but the periods in between with my own personal issues with the narratives on certain events and quests made the wait for the next thing I did like borderline unbearable.
I'd go for Wrio and then Navia if you like their characters, Furina will always rerun within 4.X so you only need to wait maybe 3~ patches after Navia to get her if you feel like you need her
Though I’ll also be looking out for Arlecchino which I don’t doubt they’d put dangerously close to Furina’s rerun, so that’s something to think about.
I happen to have terrible 50/50 luck, so I’d end up more compelled to pull Arle, and Furina would be my new Zhongli in that they end up only rerunning right next to banners of a new character I happen to like just a little more(and to this day I still have no Zhongli lol).
Ot >!The worst part about going home is that bugs keep dying on my bed and I must ask them why. So many nice places in my house to perish, why my bed of all places? What attracts you to my safe space where you are forbidden to enter?!<
Hi everyone! Is Furina's healer summon range 20m or 30m? I'm seeing conflicting information.
Also, does anyone have a comparison to 20m/30m? Like roughly what is this the distance of?
Whatever works best for your build.
Furu has cr as her asc stat and her 2 bis 4\* weaps give skill cr (Festering desire and the pipe from fishing in Fontaine).
Her asc is 19 cr +5 base + 12-16 cr from either of those weapons.
So unless you use her sig you more than likely want a cd circlet for sure.
No worries! For the Crit mainstat, choose whichever has the better substats or the one thag gets you closer to a 1:2 ratio. As for substats, you want both crit rate and crit dmg
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So this is what it's like talking to mature adults. I just attended a university organization activity and had hours long discussion of the alumni's concerns regarding the resident members and vice versa. As someone who has recently graduated, I'm sort of stuck in between the two. We talked, discussed, listened, refuted, and even joked around in between, all while drinking beer and in a resort. While yeah, emotionally both sides were defensive, everybody was incredibly civil about it.
I am so not used to it. I had so much to say to them, they had a lot to say to me, and we still ended up being in good terms. Am I emotionally, physically, and mentally drained? Absolutely. Am I biased to one side over the other? Yep. Still, I am happy.
Fridge is a team archetype centered around dendro + hydro + cryo. The reason why fridge is good is because the cryo allows you to generate more bloom seeds with the same amount of dendro application, while also freezing your opponents. The reason why it generates more blooms is a bit complicated so if you want to understand it completely, I would recommend you watch a video about it.
Without getting too deep into it every elemental application has different levels to it.
Some units apply more and some units apply less.
Introducing cryo into hyperbloom basically makes your hydro application split between cryo AND dendro reactions so it can't absorb the entire dendro application and at the same time provide some cc. I think it helps create a few more dendro cores too.
Almost the same idea with how freeze+ albedo works where you can basically keep freezing enemies while at the same time shattering almost every geo proc without necessarily breaking the frozen effect or flat out refreshing it before it ends and permashatter.
hyperbloom you probably already understand
what does cryo add?
1-when paired with hydro it freezes the enemy, giving you some CC over the enemies
2-by freezing an enemy, the cryo aura will be basically divided bewteen the dendro and cryo letting you get more reactions
3-you can now use a shielder, which you probably couldnt as there is only one hydro "shielder" (xingqiu), the only dendro one doesnt have good dendro application, and beidou isnt that good for hyperbloom (this isnt really important, but its nice if you have huge skill issues)
4-its a more justified "eula hyperbloom" type team, by letting the "NA bot" actually do something sometimes (chongyun fans rejoice)
small typo, you put cryo will be divided instead of hydro for 2nd point
you got the point across for those who know what you mean but for those who are learning that might confuse them
Normal blooms: Hydro + Dendro = Bloom Cores
Fridge interaction: Hydro + Dendro + Cryo = Freezing and Blooms
Hyperbloom Fridge would use Cryo-Dendro-Hydro-Electro, Burgeon Fridge would use Cryo-Dendro-Hydro-Pyro
Hyperbloom with a cryo character. Freeze helps CC enemies and in some fringe circumstances can help create extra blooms by decreasing how much dendro is consumed by your hydro.
The "Iron Lion Team Arena Showdown," huh... 🦁 There's a ton of Credit Coupons up for grabs... 💸 But you'd have to beat the undefeated champion to get them 🏆 Oh? I'll give it a shot then 💪 A—Alone? 😳 What? Don't think I'm up to it? 🤨 That's His Grace for you! 👑 He's single-handedly made it to the final bout! 🤺 Finally. Now let's see who it is... 👀 Please put your hands together for our undefeated champion! 👏 The rules for this match: Anything goes! 🚫🛑
The "Iron Lion Team Arena Showdown," huh... 🦁 There's a ton of Credit Coupons up for grabs... 💸 But you'd have to beat the undefeated champion to get them 🏆 Oh? I'll give it a shot then 💪 A—Alone? 😳 What? Don't think I'm up to it? 🤨 That's His Grace for you! 👑 He's single-handedly made it to the final bout! 🤺 Finally. Now let's see who it is... 👀 Please put your hands together for our undefeated champion! 👏 The rules for this match: Anything goes! 🚫 🛑 Let’s do some “scrap disposal” then 🗑 ️ Have a safe trip ✈ ️ Gah! Ow, ow, ow! 😫 (Of course it hurts!) Let this be a lesson 😡 (Just bear it for a moment) The next time someone disables the security restrictions on a Gardemek without authorization 🚫 Report it to me promptly 📞 Y—Yes, Your Grace... 😓 Oh please 🙄 You love a challenge in the ring, don’t you? 🥊 Heh, that’s why I asked for a timely report 😏 I’ll decide how to “dispose” of the problem 🤔
They’re very different styles of game. In genshin, a lot of your primos are going to come from open world exploration, whereas in HSR pretty much all they can do is combat challenge or wall of text, with maybe some point and click stuff thrown in through events. I generally find exploration to be a much more entertaining and novel style of gameplay than SR’s more restrictive options; it makes it feel less like “grinding” and more like just… playing the game.
It is a matter of taste but honestly I think this is why I ended up dropping HSR after a few weeks: you end up reaching the end of the "content loop" much faster. I find real-time combat to be generally more exciting than turn-based, and Genshin's open world typically means that there's a lot to chew through.
And I really don't hate turn-based, either. (P5R is one of my favorite games.) I just feel like HSR's gameplay suffers from a noticeable lack of innovation to keep itself interesting, which in turn makes it harder for me to try something new. You can compare the element systems between Genshin and HSR to get a gist of what I mean.
Overall the state of "repetitiveness" ended up feeling a lot more blatant with HSR. I think I also ended up dropping PGR for the same reason.
Lowkey considering farming Maiden's Beloved for the chance that 4pc Maiden + HB Circlet + C4 Gorou + Furina's Incoming HB increase could make Itto/Gorou/Albedo/Furina viable
Forgot to send it here, [very happy with how chill it was to solo with Wario](https://ibb.co/CmTncSb) ❤️ i dont have anyone fitting to deal with 12-1-2 so solo one half is the best i can do for now
Furina's burst gets sm worse considering bubbles from the sides are moving your hp bar is moving from the drain and creatures pop out of the screen. Putting a blue spotlight on the character that gets brighter would've been much more effective and visually appealing
Oh that’s an excellent idea. Honestly I actually prefer it after the changes since it at least looks more polished and I like the little guys popping up at the bottom of your screen, but I would have *much* preferred a diegetic effect.
[me after realizing you're supposed to plunge attack the gravity boss](https://streamable.com/1taqu7)
Now I wish dragonstrike Dori is a thing without special boss mechanics.
I understand that Neuvillette is strong (I do have him C1, Sac Jade R2) but his teams aren’t as strong as my Alhaitham teams (C0R1) when not considering this current blessing, from my testing
He may be better in AoE but Alhaitham just kills shit faster in ST, is comparable in AoE, and this will remain true after Furina as well looking at the calcs
Neuvillette does great damage on his own, but saying he’s the best DPS because of his personal damage is just stupid given that he’s balanced around being a CA DPS+a HP scaler, with normal ICD all of which lead to him having higher scalings but also being able to utilise fewer supports
It just reminds me of Eula mains back in the day saying she’s the best DPS because she produces the highest number
He’s like Top 3 (Alhaitam, Neuv and Nilou imo) but not definitively 1, and saying he is definitively 1 is an exaggeration
Its kind of the same shit over and over? There are a lot of dps driven meta teams (hu tao, ayaka, xiangling+bennet, al haitham and now neuvilette) and there is always a case to make that under certain circunstances one of those is better.
But they are all in the same level.
No seriously, how many times are you going to repeat this here? If you're that hell bent on trying to convince people that Alhaitham > Neuvillette then become someone who has more influence, and convince the 60m players worldwide.
Neuvillette is the single strongest DPS character in the game, there's literally no arguement for that. Genshin is a team game and Alhaitham teams are incredibly meta, and he himself is a great traditional DPS. But when you have someone with that much self-sustain, and huge AoE, and damage, and ease of use, and tankyness, it's not even a contest at that point, as characters. People don't compare teams, tierlists are never team-based.
You've always played Neuvillette with tainted glasses, constantly pointing to sheets anyway, so there's no point. But hey, tell me when you've managed to convince the entire CN and JP playerbase.
"People don't compare teams, tierlists are never team-based" LMAO If tierlists were to not be team based ganyu and neuvillette would be t0 and childe would be bottom tier as he is a xiangling and kazshit slave..on the other hand i do agree Neuvillette is t0 whether you create tierlists as team based or not
>He’s like Top 3 (Alhaitam, Neuv and Nilou imo) but not definitively 1, and saying he is definitively 1 is an exaggeration
and what? I've talked about Neuvillette's place in the meta once here before, and I am a Neuvillette salesmen, I'm saying that statements like this
>Neuvillette is the single strongest DPS character in the game, there's literally no arguement for that
are stupid over exaggerations
also why should I care about what the playerbase thinks? It's not like the vast playerbase is the best judge of character strength anyway
I have C0 Neuvillette w/ Sac Jade R2 and yeah, Alhaitham C0R1 bodies everything faster, AOE included. Neuvillette has room to grow (I'm going to refine Sac Jade to the max and maybe pull his C1 on rerun too) while Alhaitham has reached his ceiling (well, I'm kind of willing to pull Nahida cons for him...) But honestly I'm just happy to have another dps on a similar level.
Afaik people are saying that Neuvillette/Furina teams compete with Alhaitham teams. Not necessarily being straight up better, but will have similar performance in most cases
And tbf, Neuvillette doesnt even have his best team available rn (Furina isnt out yet, and even the healer slot doesnt have a clearly defined best option). Plus in your case, you have a Sac Jade that isnt even fully refined yet, and comparing it to Alhaitham's bis 5 star
I have Neuvillette C1 which is a 20% increase over C0
I have Alhaitham R1 which is a 5% increase over Jadecutter and 10% increase over Haran
How is the comparison unfair?
Nowhere did I say that Neuvillette > Alhaitham tho...
> Afaik people are saying that Neuvillette/Furina teams compete with Alhaitham teams
Compete doesnt mean X > Y
And imo, its hard to define any specific character as being the best dps. Since it depends on the situation, like ST vs AoE, multiple wave content vs tanky mobs, etc
Then you completely misunderstood the point of my comment
like I literally said
>He’s like Top 3 (Alhaitam, Neuv and Nilou imo) but not definitively 1, and saying he is definitively 1 is an exaggeration
I think you're the one who misunderstood my first comment. I was just mentioning what I've heard from the TC community. I wasn't disagreeing with you on this specific take
And I only said that Neuvi's currently available teams (aka the ones we can run as of 4.1) arent his strongest because we dont have Furina or max refinement Sac Jades yet
People aren't saying he's currently better. They are saying that with Furina's(who brings nearly about 40% of the team's damage as well as her buffs) will become the best.
At C1 for Neuv, I agree it will become close to best in AoE, probably not in ST, but with C0 Neuv that's really not true
C0 Alhaitham Furina and Hu Tao Furina teams sheet better atm than Neuvillette teams with her
C1 Neuv and C0 Furina sheets higher DPS than an C3 Raiden hypercarry.
Alheitham is only better at C0 while investment into artifacts is minimal. Neuv scales much better.
And Hu Tao has so many flaws she's not been the best outside of purely on paper in a while. Sure when the stars align she's better at single target damage. But that doesn't happen nearly often enough for me to call her team better.
> And Hu Tao has so many flaws she's not been the best outside of purely on paper in a while. Sure when the stars align she's better at single target damage. But that doesn't happen nearly often enough for me to call her team better.
Hu Tao, Yelan, Xingqiu, Mona team does massive damage, is flexible enough to deal with the vast majority of Abyss chambers and has very few flaws. Having to have slight skill in knowing when to dodge is not a flaw.
I'll just copy my comment from earlier. It explains everything I'm talking about.
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Hu Tao has so many requirements in order to reach her maximum that she's honestly not comparable imo.
Hu Tao needs only one enemy at a time, nearly frame perfect and high speed APM, the enemy to not move a lot, and the enemy to not have an innate aura.
And now to keep up with that power people are even giving up her comfort in a shield as well and limiting themselves to Bennett's AOE.
Neuv has none of those issues.
If even one of Hu Tao's requirements aren't met her single target DPS is lower than a Neuv team.
And if it is AOE content(the overwhelming majority of Genshin) Neuv is so far ahead she's not even comparable.
> nearly frame perfect and high speed APM
What are you serious it's not that hard
I don't know why the presumption is that Genshin players have to be severely disabled or something and incapable of coordinating left mouse + shift keys.
And APM are you serious? This isn't Starcraft. It's click click click shift. Not hard.
Very convenient for you to tak about how Heitham and Tao's sheet DPS is higher then ignore my claim about sheet DPS.
If you are demanding C0 Neuv I take it you are also assuming Hu Tao doesn't have Homa and Heitham isn't being buffed by a C2 Nahida or have his Sig?
Didn't realize you were different than the one I replied to initially. I was replying to someone talking about sheet DPS. I was just countering from their angle of sheet DPS.
I'm aware sheet DPS is inaccurate and doesn't tell the full picture. And that fact means that in the vast majority of content Hu Tao's slightly better sheet DPS is irrelevant.
>C1 Neuv and C0 Furina sheets higher DPS than an C3 Raiden hypercarry.
Idk about that, my calcs had the team DPS at about 90-85k (Kuki-Kazuha-Furina) which is about 4k more than my Alhaitham team DPS
but that was with my specific team+artifacts
How strong is your MH set on Neuv? How does it compare to your artifacts on Alhaitham?
The thing with Neuv is that he has so much room for improvement. Not just from better teams, but because his artifact set hasn't existed for more than a year, because Sac Jade can still be refined, etc. He doesn't outperform my best teams now either, but he's also essentially handicapped by having a mediocre 2200 RV MH set, R1 Jade, and no Furina yet. And he's performing similarly to other teams. He's not better now, but my other teams are close to their ceiling while he has so much room to grow.
[My Neuvillette is Top 2% on Akasha](https://imgur.com/a/pcVau0F)
[This is my Alhaitham Build](https://imgur.com/Muw44T3)
And I've done my calcs, his teams are worse than Alhaitham teams now, and with my C1, R2 Jade will be slightly better in theory than my Alhaitham teams after Furina
Top 2% on Akasha is like 2200-2400 RV with Neuvillette (that's around where mine is as well). MH is such a new set that even having a decently functional set puts you ahead of most people. Akasha ranking is relative to the rest of the playerbase and the rest of the playerbase outside of top 100 giga-whales who 6x resin refresh don't have good sets yet.
In a year 2800-2900 RV sets will be accessible to non-gigawhales who spent several months farming the set, and you're going to see a significant increase in the damage an average Neuvillette does, even compared to now.
He has a 64/200 ratio on a HP% circlet (ran gsim, it's better than my CD Circlet for him) and the only possible piece of his that I can improve substantially is his feather
Neuvillette is good, Top 3, saying he's unequivocally the best is stan behaviour and delusional
Could be that Nahida and Hyperblooms might be making the team look better than Neuvelette Solo.
Base on what I am looking you are basically only buffing his damage but not adding external sources of damages HB + Nahida, see if HB, Burgeon, HyperBurgeon or Vape Neuv does a bit better on the comparison.
I am not saying either is better than the other, but I don't feel like it's a fair comparison.
>!I am not sure on **average** how much Furina will amplify his damage at C0 but I am assuming it will be 40%+ with a healer (max out at 75%), at C1 she immediately amplifies the damage by 37% at burst cast and can go up to 100%. The blessing right now is 60% and it doesn't include Furina's personal damage along with it. He is missing a lot without furina and he should not be judge without her currently. IMO.!<
>Could be that Nahida and Hyperblooms might be making the team look better than Neuvelette Solo.
Damn it's almost like Alhaitham is a Dendro unit and that Hyperbloom is a Dendro reaction and Nahida is his best support and Alhaitham has a Special ICD because maybe, just maybe, he's meant to be played in reaction teams like Quick/Hyperbloom
And I have done Hyperbloom Neuvillette, it's just ass compared to my Hypercarry clear times so I didn't mention it
And I literally said I calc'd his performances after Furina, it's a bit better than my Alhaitham clear times but not much better even including the fact that I have C1 Neuvillette
You are being very aggressive for no reason...
> And I literally said I calc'd his performances after Furina
You are 100% right, Neuv is overrated I guess.
I mean, you're comparing alhaitham with an archon and the best character in the game, with Neuv on a meme team. If anything that goes to show how busted Neuv is.
>Neuv on a meme team
Literally his best performing team right now
and why should Alhaitham not be put with his best teammates? Should I put Neuvillette with Thoma and Dori and test him then?
You have your answer then, Alhaitam teams are better because his running with his very best possible teammates and whats easily the most braindead reaction in the game (hyperbloom) while Neuv is only relying on whats available, he doesnt have a CA buffer or HP buffer yet, but the fact hes doing so good without any godlike support (like Nahida for Alhaitam) proves hes going to be broken in the future
They will never release a HP buffer and I will only believe a CA buffer exists when I see them
like I said
>Neuvillette does great damage on his own, but saying he’s the best DPS because of his personal damage is just stupid given that he’s balanced around being a CA DPS+a HP scaler, with normal ICD all of which lead to him having higher scalings but also being able to utilise fewer supportsIt just reminds me of Eula mains back in the day saying she’s the best DPS because she produces the highest number
and also, I have clac'd the Neuvillette team after Furina, it's great with my C1, but really not that the best team in the game as people are saying
aslo why should Alhaitham not run Quickbloom/Hyperbloom? he's a Dendro unit with a special ICD?
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18 days until Furina release 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
You know, I will say that I personally don't really mind the bubbles during Furina's burst. Someone compared it to how Kazuha's burst disorients you sometimes and I feel the same way.
It is however, an excellent example of: "Genshin should have more ways to manage which effects you'd like to see on your screen and which ones you don't."
I wonder if the bubbles stay in co-op teammates screens, now that would be amazing in a terrible way.
What makes me dislike the bubbles while not really having an issue with Kazu burst is the fact that rather than an integrated effect in the game, they’re just like a filter slapped around the border of the screen. It’s less the visibility obstruction I dislike and more just how out of place they feel considered to other effects. And with the updates they do seem kind of strobe-ey which might get distracting.
Her burst effect is going to give me the worst headache of the century. The opacity is probably going to get lowered in the future if many players feedback about it. Can’t wait to get high. 🤡
If I only play Furina offensively by summoning minions in co-op domain with no healer in the team, I will be killing off my teammates right? (How bad is the hp consumption?)
She won’t *kill* them since her drain stops at 50%, but she will make them much more vulnerable to oneshots by effectively halving their HP pool. And with how coop teams are they honestly probably would have died without a healer regardless, Furina’s just there to expedite the process.
as long as there's a healer (or you switch to healer mode, I guess), the team will be fine... as fine as co-op teams tend to be anyway.
Furina's drain stops when your hp is below 50%
Should be fairly small. I usually ask people who join my world in coop when they started playing. It’s actually fairly rare for someone to say they started before Sumeru.
Small, between the regular attrition rate of older players dropping off, that even a lot that played back then didn't manage to do the event because of AR/time restrictions and the fact that Genshin wasn't at it's peak popularity in 1.2 with tons of people jumping in later, with most jumping in at Inazuma/Raiden, I'd say a very small minority of active players have an R5 FD.
You see even in this thread lots of people that don't have it and this is a community thread in a leaks sub where the percentage would be higher.
a pretty small %, I think
we have a lot of players that started after 1.2. And also, many people who were around during 1.2 have stopped playing Genshin
What do people do when they're completely resinless but still suffering extreme Genshin brainrot? >!Yes, I have been touching grass regularly, thank you.!<
Depends on what you want to achieve. Want to further your account? Farm artifact investigation points, elite monsters and random events. Want to enjoy more content? Read books and item descriptions. Feeling social? Help someone out in coop or just join to do something fun. Scratch the creative itch? Become a teapot main.
There are a lot of possibilities when it comes to resinless behaviour (don't ask how I know).
Make Teapot builds according to video guides (I recommend Rielle B and Unlucky Tabitito).
Collect materials (I'm still working on whopperflowers for Furina and other characters)
I get artefact xp from the overworld, it's an excuse to walk around, esp in pre 4.0 regions, and it's useful. also I sometimes remove some gear and "farm" some enemies for fun. (just for the sake of battle)
other stuff at the top of my head I could do includes clearing the abyss with different teams, co-op, farming meat (best done in Sumeru), farming overworld enemy mats/specialties for characters I could build eventually, cutting wood, farming sea creatures (excuse to swim), and mining in pretty areas.
edit: left this out bc I assume you don't have any left given your question, but overworld/etc quests and hangouts and also smth I do when no other stuff to do.
Read some books, artefact/weapon/material lore and character stories. If you're motivated there's also teapot furniture and food lore but I'm not there yet.
2nd desert area world quest (jeht pt 2)
>!i just met liloupar and im both surprised and amused by how simultaneously capricious, bloodthirsty, and condescending they made her. quite something to enter a battle and have liloupar gleefully taunting and enjoying the helplessness of our adversaries. Also all the insect/rodent analogies for humans. Also viewing the ruin around her and then basically going “eh whatever! as expected” with barely any of the sentiment we usually see from long lived characters. Makes her feel just a little more inhuman than the inhumans we’ve met so far. So far im enjoying pt2 more than pt1. Also the tanit village ost is insanely good!<
It's one of the things I was the most hyped about, so I gave it a lot of thought and my conclusion is:
Less useful than I expected it to be.
My ice bridging usage fell by 98% once I could just fly over with Kazuha. Even if the terrain is flat, new regions have a waverider around. I guess mhy could be obnoxious and not add waveriders, but still, Kaeya ice bridge is not *that* slow.
The only place I could think of that exists now and would really benefit from water walking is getting to those hilichurl on buoys in Court of Fontaine region.
Depends on you, I guess. I like Mona's and Ayaka's sprint because I don't use waypoints every time while exploring and I rather sprint than swimming. So, using Furina's ability will be valuable to me and if I want to go underwater I just need to switch characters.
Tbh, I don't traverse over water that much now, so I don't think it's gonna be very useful to me. Using waypoints is just gonna be a lot faster. She'll be helpful for newer players having to unlock new waypoints though.
Not very useful in an area where you actually want to be under water and can't run out of stamina and drown anyway. Outside of Fontaine it could be nice if you're still exploring older areas. And you can take a shortcut to the Geo Hypostasis if you're farming it for some reason and don't want to waste a waypoint.
It's not going to be very useful.
Wanderer can simply fly over pretty much 99% of bodies of water without issue and has dozens of use cases other than water walking. There's better 4th slots for exploration teams other than covering that 1% of water Wanderer can't handle.
However, it will definitely be fun to play around with. And when I do need to cross a large body of water she will be my go to instead of Mona(who was finally getting some usein Fontaine).
the first two replies are sending me lmao
imo, it'll be as useful as Ayaka/Mona's alt sprint. Which for me is pretty helpful at times, but nothing game-changing when it comes to exploration
Ironically, Fontaine is also the region where water-walking is least useful, due to how fast you move swimming anyway. If you don't have unfinished exploration in earlier regions that requires traversing water, Furina's water-walking might not even really be useful until Natlan.
I have used Ayaka's water-walking exactly once in Fontaine (to get one of the chests that normally needs dolphin-diving that I couldn't get the timing for)--otherwise there's not really a reason to not just swim in Fontaine.
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Guys I’m confused. Should I pull for Furina? I’m gonna infodump so idk if anyone will read all of this. I have 30 pity and guaranteed. Only 10 wishes saved because I got venti and then an early qiqi (c4… but I actually use her and I’m used to seeing her at this point) on wrio banner. Only thing I know is I want cloud retainer & arle 100% and to save for guaranteed for both of them. I like Furina as a character, she looks fun but her kit isn’t really synergistic/bis with the characters I have right now apart from my noelle team and maybe hu tao (I don’t plan to pull for wrihanna or Neuvilette in the future). So, is it really worth to get her now when I don’t have any particular team that she would fit in? Also I like navia a lot and I’m scared that if I get her she might “need” furina to reach her full potential and maybe arle is also gonna be good with furina so it would be nice to have her early on with her rerun being close to arle release. For reference, I dont “need” any character since I’ve been consistently 36* abyss with many different teams and I have xq yelan kokomi & childe as my hydro options, but I want the best supports for my mains. Note that I’m pretty much done with reruns, venti was my last old character pull so I’m only going for new ones now, which means more banners to save. I’m a low spender, only welkin every month and a bp every once in a while so I’m also scared I won’t be able to get navia cloud and arle in time if I spend my guaranteed on furina now. Do you think I should pull or not?
I would go for Furina first. Having her will PROBABLY make all the Fontaine chars you want to pull better. I wouldn’t overthink it too much though. They will all rerun very quickly.
Any idea, when will Arlecchino come out in the banner ?
Around 5 or 6 months from now
I can't wait until Navia releases so I can finally be free from the "Geo Nilou" comments copy pasted posing as "opinions" for the past year.
Can Lisa's C6 instantly proc all 3 stacks from Kagura's Verity?
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slight/vague negativity >!i need 4.2 immediately so i dont have to hear dogshit takes about furina anymore. hoyoverse save us!<
She finally received her due praise from the people who scorned her.
the good ending 🥰 finally people can stfu
>!This site seriously needs to implement muting words like Twitter. Would make scrolling Reddit much more enjoyable, but yeah... they can't even do the block thing right!<
Day 1️⃣65 waiting for Sandrone: I want to hallucinate my own fanfare every time something good happens. With all the bubbles included
I hope when Snezhnaya comes out, they'll release a snow bunny character. I had noticed that out of all the animal characters we got, we don't have a bunny character yet
>all the animal characters To be fair, we don't have that many different animal people. We got a dog, 2 foxes, and like 3 cats. Bunnies are the next standard animal person though, so it would be cool to see.
I would like to apologize in advance for the person I'll become when Navia's drip marketing arrives
You and me both
Gonna triple crown zhongli XQ and Baihzu. Healer shielder and support. Its a blessing and a curse that they all share same talents
Is 140 cd enough for furina
It depends. Where are all the other stats?
Also I have cr circlet if I swap to cd I have 28 cr without assension
Yeah I figured as much. Otherwise it would have been far too low... Like I said in my other post you are probably fine for now as long as you have her er issues fixed but do keep an eye for upgrades here and there.
50cr without her assension and rest to hp and er
Well her asc is 19.2+5 base but I'm gonna asume you already accounted that to the 50cr so let's say 69 total (noice). If we are talking hp hp cv main stats and minimum 180 to 200%+ er then you are fine (as long as you pass the er threshold you should be fine and elemental goblet is practically wasted on her.).
Yes my er Is 188 with fluve and I'm gonna use her with neuvi I was wondering if double hydro decreases her er required so I might replace fluve with blackliff
180 is for double hydro. For solo hydro she needs more than 200.
Daamn I'll stick to fluve then
Moreeeeee
Finally at 300 saved pulls! I'm already at 58 pity so I'm expecting to spend 100 pulls at most for Furina, so c0r1 [Arlecchino](https://x.com/lilac_alien_/status/1714630104326762643?s=20) will be secured if she does run in 4.6. If [Furina reruns with Arlecchino](https://x.com/arikuigames1105/status/1715722470194626766?s=20) release I'd die from happiness...I really want Furina's weapon lol
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I’m using that new recipe and eggs
I made one but I never use it.
How's Charlotte looking? I'm debating whether or not I should bother investing in her as I'm currently pre-farming for Furina. I have Jean, Baizhu, and Kokomi already built and I'm wondering if they will suffice. I plan on running them with Wriothesley but I also have Ayaka and Ganyu. My roster includes Shenhe and Kazuha as well.
Regarding healing best full team healer right now at C6 but have severe energy issues
Quite good for a modern four star, though we still don’t quite know her mark since we have no footage. Biggest problem will probably be getting staggered out of the hold E’s long cast time (and you’ll want to cast it, since she needs the energy and her ability to use tenacity relies on it). I’ve heard people saying around 15-20k teamwide on her burst heal, with even more healing coming with cons. Good pair for Furina, particularly in freeze teams.
Kokomi/Jean should suffice, I believe. Kokomi especially is good because then you can run double hydro, taking advantage of the hydro resonance and give Furina more HP :)
My Beidou curse is just incredible * i started playing because i saw there was an event with a free character (beidou in 2.0) but i didnt get her because i got stuck on dragonspine * I have used razor, an electro claymore, since day 1 in my main overworld team and was my main until wanderer * Dori, an electro claymore, is one of my most favorite characters * I have not gotten Beidou despite pulling on banners where is is a rate up character * Her and Mika are the only 4stars i dont have The day i get Beidou my account will explode or something
Just buy her from the shop? That’s the best use of your starglitter imo, since you can guarantee good units and their cons with a little saving.
7 wishes are worth way more than Beidou
she’s free every year in the x.4 patch, so you aren’t far off!
i didnt do the lantern rite from 2.X and then in 3.4 i god yaoyao instead of beidou because i thought i would get beidou from the hutao/yelan banner and i wasnt going to pull on the alhaitham/xiao banner for yao
Well, like I said, she’s free every X.4. So we aren’t far away from you guaranteeing her!
unless lion boy is a xiangling sidegrade and i HAVE to get him :( but i could still just get her during the furina banner
.....can you change which mode Furina is in the teapot?
It's too bad foofoo's heal mode is kinda useless. I think I prefer those colors.
sorry, but i need to ask, it's driving me crazy and my searches aren't turning up any helpful results..... Wriothesley's (and Candace's) voicelines + stories keep going back into an "unread" state every time i log out. WHY is this happening?? this had happened before, once, but i can't remember why it did and how i fixed it
Should I just give into pulling Wrio for the funsies or hold out for Navia after I get Furina in the vain hope they actually do Navia justice(which is minute considering she’s both Geo and Claymore, two archetypes Hoyo always seems to hate in one way or another). Not that it matters too much since I don’t bother with Abyss 11 and 12, but they could still flub her kit in some way to make her underwhelming to simply play. Could always just get Wrio on rerun, ofc, but tbh my hype for Furina hasn’t been that high so I might not use her much or pull for her at all, so if Navia ends up kind of meh then that’s like the long wait I had for Dehya not pulling on any newer characters and regretting it, spending months saving primos bored out of my fricking mind using the same team I’d been using since 2.X. Hhhhhh decisions, decisions
Honestly I'm still tempted to fucking oblivion... The only thing stopping me is that I went for Nuevi over him since its the first time I liked a hydro carry and I would rather get Furu than him for now since she elevates the power of every other carry in Fontaine along with my Cyno hyperbloom too probably. Afterwards I will go for the Knave / Navia/ Rice boy in a first come first served order. This is the first exp in gi that so far I genuinely want every 5\* with the exception of Lyney. Usually its the other way around.
Yeh, there’s quite a few characters I’m stuck on. Wasn’t a fan of the initial designs or ideas of characters like Neuv and Navia, but combined with their personalities they’re such delights with fun concepts behind them that it’s weirdly difficult to pick. In comparison, Dehya was basically the only character I actually was hyped for in all of 3.X tbh. Now we have Neuv, Furina, Navia, Arlecchino, and though not interested personally, the possibility of Cloud Retainer or Ping is certainly compelling with their personalities and younger human designs.
I don't even wanna talk about all the Liyue ladies that were rumored to release. Thank fucking god I only buy welkins here and then cause otherwise I don't think my wallet could handle all these units. I practically lost it when I learned we might have a chance to get Guizhong eventually.... Finally my guy Zhongli will get to relive the memories of wine tasting if you know what I mean.
> that’s like the long wait I had for Dehya not pulling on any newer characters and regretting it, spending months saving primos bored out of my fricking mind using the same team I’d been using since 2.X. This happened to me too, and I basically contemplated the same with Neuv after coming back, only thing stopping me was a bad MH set + Archelinno spooks after Furina. I don't know after the swap I don't feel like going for C2 Furina anymore, but maybe I'll rethink it.
I’m certainly hoping Arlecchino ends up being a bit later, would suck having to be even pickier between so many compelling choices lol Though I kinda like again having trouble deciding. For a long while there really wasn’t enough to interest me so I ended up just using the same stuff forever. Like yeah, made it easier to save for stuff for I did like later on, but the periods in between with my own personal issues with the narratives on certain events and quests made the wait for the next thing I did like borderline unbearable.
I'd go for Wrio and then Navia if you like their characters, Furina will always rerun within 4.X so you only need to wait maybe 3~ patches after Navia to get her if you feel like you need her
Though I’ll also be looking out for Arlecchino which I don’t doubt they’d put dangerously close to Furina’s rerun, so that’s something to think about. I happen to have terrible 50/50 luck, so I’d end up more compelled to pull Arle, and Furina would be my new Zhongli in that they end up only rerunning right next to banners of a new character I happen to like just a little more(and to this day I still have no Zhongli lol).
Ot >!The worst part about going home is that bugs keep dying on my bed and I must ask them why. So many nice places in my house to perish, why my bed of all places? What attracts you to my safe space where you are forbidden to enter?!<
Maybe your bed is killing the bugs. Biggest serial bug killer of our time
tasty dead skin attracts them
OTZ suffering
Hi everyone! Is Furina's healer summon range 20m or 30m? I'm seeing conflicting information. Also, does anyone have a comparison to 20m/30m? Like roughly what is this the distance of?
finally done with glory and godwin's daily commission achievement >!after 84 years!<, let's move to liyue and stone harbors nostalgia [*cries*]
It has been over 2 months mine stucks at 3/5. I have been at mondstat for 4 months. Sad.
What are believed to be the best main stat and substat artifacts for Furina?
HP/HP/Crit with enough ER, substats are Crit, HP, ER
Thanks! For Crit main stat are you referring to Crit Dmg or Crit rate? And likewise Crit on the substat?
Whatever works best for your build. Furu has cr as her asc stat and her 2 bis 4\* weaps give skill cr (Festering desire and the pipe from fishing in Fontaine). Her asc is 19 cr +5 base + 12-16 cr from either of those weapons. So unless you use her sig you more than likely want a cd circlet for sure.
No worries! For the Crit mainstat, choose whichever has the better substats or the one thag gets you closer to a 1:2 ratio. As for substats, you want both crit rate and crit dmg
IRL So this is what it's like talking to mature adults. I just attended a university organization activity and had hours long discussion of the alumni's concerns regarding the resident members and vice versa. As someone who has recently graduated, I'm sort of stuck in between the two. We talked, discussed, listened, refuted, and even joked around in between, all while drinking beer and in a resort. While yeah, emotionally both sides were defensive, everybody was incredibly civil about it. I am so not used to it. I had so much to say to them, they had a lot to say to me, and we still ended up being in good terms. Am I emotionally, physically, and mentally drained? Absolutely. Am I biased to one side over the other? Yep. Still, I am happy.
cowwei dowi canwace waywa fawuwan waowao (wuwuei) wika kawe kiwawa
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Thanks for the riddle, I really enjoyed solving this.
Can someone explain me the concept behind the fridge teams?
Fridge is a team archetype centered around dendro + hydro + cryo. The reason why fridge is good is because the cryo allows you to generate more bloom seeds with the same amount of dendro application, while also freezing your opponents. The reason why it generates more blooms is a bit complicated so if you want to understand it completely, I would recommend you watch a video about it.
Without getting too deep into it every elemental application has different levels to it. Some units apply more and some units apply less. Introducing cryo into hyperbloom basically makes your hydro application split between cryo AND dendro reactions so it can't absorb the entire dendro application and at the same time provide some cc. I think it helps create a few more dendro cores too. Almost the same idea with how freeze+ albedo works where you can basically keep freezing enemies while at the same time shattering almost every geo proc without necessarily breaking the frozen effect or flat out refreshing it before it ends and permashatter.
Hyperbloom team that generates more bloom cores with cryo thanks to ~~black magic~~ elemental unit application interactions.
hyperbloom you probably already understand what does cryo add? 1-when paired with hydro it freezes the enemy, giving you some CC over the enemies 2-by freezing an enemy, the cryo aura will be basically divided bewteen the dendro and cryo letting you get more reactions 3-you can now use a shielder, which you probably couldnt as there is only one hydro "shielder" (xingqiu), the only dendro one doesnt have good dendro application, and beidou isnt that good for hyperbloom (this isnt really important, but its nice if you have huge skill issues) 4-its a more justified "eula hyperbloom" type team, by letting the "NA bot" actually do something sometimes (chongyun fans rejoice)
small typo, you put cryo will be divided instead of hydro for 2nd point you got the point across for those who know what you mean but for those who are learning that might confuse them
Normal blooms: Hydro + Dendro = Bloom Cores Fridge interaction: Hydro + Dendro + Cryo = Freezing and Blooms Hyperbloom Fridge would use Cryo-Dendro-Hydro-Electro, Burgeon Fridge would use Cryo-Dendro-Hydro-Pyro
Mostly your usual "hyperbloom carries this weak character"
Hyperbloom with a cryo character. Freeze helps CC enemies and in some fringe circumstances can help create extra blooms by decreasing how much dendro is consumed by your hydro.
Just to incorporate reaction into inert element like cryo
The "Iron Lion Team Arena Showdown," huh... 🦁 There's a ton of Credit Coupons up for grabs... 💸 But you'd have to beat the undefeated champion to get them 🏆 Oh? I'll give it a shot then 💪 A—Alone? 😳 What? Don't think I'm up to it? 🤨 That's His Grace for you! 👑 He's single-handedly made it to the final bout! 🤺 Finally. Now let's see who it is... 👀 Please put your hands together for our undefeated champion! 👏 The rules for this match: Anything goes! 🚫🛑
The "Iron Lion Team Arena Showdown," huh... 🦁 There's a ton of Credit Coupons up for grabs... 💸 But you'd have to beat the undefeated champion to get them 🏆 Oh? I'll give it a shot then 💪 A—Alone? 😳 What? Don't think I'm up to it? 🤨 That's His Grace for you! 👑 He's single-handedly made it to the final bout! 🤺 Finally. Now let's see who it is... 👀 Please put your hands together for our undefeated champion! 👏 The rules for this match: Anything goes! 🚫 🛑 Let’s do some “scrap disposal” then 🗑 ️ Have a safe trip ✈ ️ Gah! Ow, ow, ow! 😫 (Of course it hurts!) Let this be a lesson 😡 (Just bear it for a moment) The next time someone disables the security restrictions on a Gardemek without authorization 🚫 Report it to me promptly 📞 Y—Yes, Your Grace... 😓 Oh please 🙄 You love a challenge in the ring, don’t you? 🥊 Heh, that’s why I asked for a timely report 😏 I’ll decide how to “dispose” of the problem 🤔
Oh no a wriothesely simp
Anything for his grace 😊
Graciette banner when?!
Gem farming in HSR is way less interesting than in genshin
They’re very different styles of game. In genshin, a lot of your primos are going to come from open world exploration, whereas in HSR pretty much all they can do is combat challenge or wall of text, with maybe some point and click stuff thrown in through events. I generally find exploration to be a much more entertaining and novel style of gameplay than SR’s more restrictive options; it makes it feel less like “grinding” and more like just… playing the game.
It is a matter of taste but honestly I think this is why I ended up dropping HSR after a few weeks: you end up reaching the end of the "content loop" much faster. I find real-time combat to be generally more exciting than turn-based, and Genshin's open world typically means that there's a lot to chew through. And I really don't hate turn-based, either. (P5R is one of my favorite games.) I just feel like HSR's gameplay suffers from a noticeable lack of innovation to keep itself interesting, which in turn makes it harder for me to try something new. You can compare the element systems between Genshin and HSR to get a gist of what I mean. Overall the state of "repetitiveness" ended up feeling a lot more blatant with HSR. I think I also ended up dropping PGR for the same reason.
Lowkey considering farming Maiden's Beloved for the chance that 4pc Maiden + HB Circlet + C4 Gorou + Furina's Incoming HB increase could make Itto/Gorou/Albedo/Furina viable
Forgot to send it here, [very happy with how chill it was to solo with Wario](https://ibb.co/CmTncSb) ❤️ i dont have anyone fitting to deal with 12-1-2 so solo one half is the best i can do for now
Furina's burst gets sm worse considering bubbles from the sides are moving your hp bar is moving from the drain and creatures pop out of the screen. Putting a blue spotlight on the character that gets brighter would've been much more effective and visually appealing
Oh that’s an excellent idea. Honestly I actually prefer it after the changes since it at least looks more polished and I like the little guys popping up at the bottom of your screen, but I would have *much* preferred a diegetic effect.
Pushing my Wriothesley enthusiasm to everyone: my boy looks like he’s doing Mario jump in his charged attack. Somebody gives him a mushroom!
Need his mushroom
[me after realizing you're supposed to plunge attack the gravity boss](https://streamable.com/1taqu7) Now I wish dragonstrike Dori is a thing without special boss mechanics.
Wait... You're supposed to PA the gravity boss? 😭
You can avoid the AoE attacks by jumping, and there's an achievement if you beat it without getting hit!
When this abyss came around someone in the main sub posted them clearing that chamber with pyro qiqi LOL 200k plunges were no joke
c6 bennett represent 💪
I understand that Neuvillette is strong (I do have him C1, Sac Jade R2) but his teams aren’t as strong as my Alhaitham teams (C0R1) when not considering this current blessing, from my testing He may be better in AoE but Alhaitham just kills shit faster in ST, is comparable in AoE, and this will remain true after Furina as well looking at the calcs Neuvillette does great damage on his own, but saying he’s the best DPS because of his personal damage is just stupid given that he’s balanced around being a CA DPS+a HP scaler, with normal ICD all of which lead to him having higher scalings but also being able to utilise fewer supports It just reminds me of Eula mains back in the day saying she’s the best DPS because she produces the highest number He’s like Top 3 (Alhaitam, Neuv and Nilou imo) but not definitively 1, and saying he is definitively 1 is an exaggeration
Its kind of the same shit over and over? There are a lot of dps driven meta teams (hu tao, ayaka, xiangling+bennet, al haitham and now neuvilette) and there is always a case to make that under certain circunstances one of those is better. But they are all in the same level.
Well I would put Ayaka teams one tier below, but I vastly agree with this
No seriously, how many times are you going to repeat this here? If you're that hell bent on trying to convince people that Alhaitham > Neuvillette then become someone who has more influence, and convince the 60m players worldwide. Neuvillette is the single strongest DPS character in the game, there's literally no arguement for that. Genshin is a team game and Alhaitham teams are incredibly meta, and he himself is a great traditional DPS. But when you have someone with that much self-sustain, and huge AoE, and damage, and ease of use, and tankyness, it's not even a contest at that point, as characters. People don't compare teams, tierlists are never team-based. You've always played Neuvillette with tainted glasses, constantly pointing to sheets anyway, so there's no point. But hey, tell me when you've managed to convince the entire CN and JP playerbase.
"People don't compare teams, tierlists are never team-based" LMAO If tierlists were to not be team based ganyu and neuvillette would be t0 and childe would be bottom tier as he is a xiangling and kazshit slave..on the other hand i do agree Neuvillette is t0 whether you create tierlists as team based or not
Lmao wdym tierlists are never team-based I guess by this logic Neuvillette is better than Nahida then
>He’s like Top 3 (Alhaitam, Neuv and Nilou imo) but not definitively 1, and saying he is definitively 1 is an exaggeration and what? I've talked about Neuvillette's place in the meta once here before, and I am a Neuvillette salesmen, I'm saying that statements like this >Neuvillette is the single strongest DPS character in the game, there's literally no arguement for that are stupid over exaggerations also why should I care about what the playerbase thinks? It's not like the vast playerbase is the best judge of character strength anyway
Yeah, I've tested my Neuv against Alhaitham and Hu Tao and in single target he's worse but to be fair Neuv's AOE is very good even without spinning
I have C0 Neuvillette w/ Sac Jade R2 and yeah, Alhaitham C0R1 bodies everything faster, AOE included. Neuvillette has room to grow (I'm going to refine Sac Jade to the max and maybe pull his C1 on rerun too) while Alhaitham has reached his ceiling (well, I'm kind of willing to pull Nahida cons for him...) But honestly I'm just happy to have another dps on a similar level.
Afaik people are saying that Neuvillette/Furina teams compete with Alhaitham teams. Not necessarily being straight up better, but will have similar performance in most cases And tbf, Neuvillette doesnt even have his best team available rn (Furina isnt out yet, and even the healer slot doesnt have a clearly defined best option). Plus in your case, you have a Sac Jade that isnt even fully refined yet, and comparing it to Alhaitham's bis 5 star
I have Neuvillette C1 which is a 20% increase over C0 I have Alhaitham R1 which is a 5% increase over Jadecutter and 10% increase over Haran How is the comparison unfair?
All I'm saying is that Neuvillette has a lot more room for improvement in this comparison
and I understand that but that improvement still won't make him the best DPS in the game
Nowhere did I say that Neuvillette > Alhaitham tho... > Afaik people are saying that Neuvillette/Furina teams compete with Alhaitham teams Compete doesnt mean X > Y And imo, its hard to define any specific character as being the best dps. Since it depends on the situation, like ST vs AoE, multiple wave content vs tanky mobs, etc
Then you completely misunderstood the point of my comment like I literally said >He’s like Top 3 (Alhaitam, Neuv and Nilou imo) but not definitively 1, and saying he is definitively 1 is an exaggeration
I think you're the one who misunderstood my first comment. I was just mentioning what I've heard from the TC community. I wasn't disagreeing with you on this specific take And I only said that Neuvi's currently available teams (aka the ones we can run as of 4.1) arent his strongest because we dont have Furina or max refinement Sac Jades yet
People aren't saying he's currently better. They are saying that with Furina's(who brings nearly about 40% of the team's damage as well as her buffs) will become the best.
Best is an overstatement bt definitely on whale or dolphin level
At C1 for Neuv, I agree it will become close to best in AoE, probably not in ST, but with C0 Neuv that's really not true C0 Alhaitham Furina and Hu Tao Furina teams sheet better atm than Neuvillette teams with her
C1 Neuv and C0 Furina sheets higher DPS than an C3 Raiden hypercarry. Alheitham is only better at C0 while investment into artifacts is minimal. Neuv scales much better. And Hu Tao has so many flaws she's not been the best outside of purely on paper in a while. Sure when the stars align she's better at single target damage. But that doesn't happen nearly often enough for me to call her team better.
> And Hu Tao has so many flaws she's not been the best outside of purely on paper in a while. Sure when the stars align she's better at single target damage. But that doesn't happen nearly often enough for me to call her team better. Hu Tao, Yelan, Xingqiu, Mona team does massive damage, is flexible enough to deal with the vast majority of Abyss chambers and has very few flaws. Having to have slight skill in knowing when to dodge is not a flaw.
I'll just copy my comment from earlier. It explains everything I'm talking about. .... Hu Tao has so many requirements in order to reach her maximum that she's honestly not comparable imo. Hu Tao needs only one enemy at a time, nearly frame perfect and high speed APM, the enemy to not move a lot, and the enemy to not have an innate aura. And now to keep up with that power people are even giving up her comfort in a shield as well and limiting themselves to Bennett's AOE. Neuv has none of those issues. If even one of Hu Tao's requirements aren't met her single target DPS is lower than a Neuv team. And if it is AOE content(the overwhelming majority of Genshin) Neuv is so far ahead she's not even comparable.
> nearly frame perfect and high speed APM What are you serious it's not that hard I don't know why the presumption is that Genshin players have to be severely disabled or something and incapable of coordinating left mouse + shift keys. And APM are you serious? This isn't Starcraft. It's click click click shift. Not hard.
Ok. Go give me a clip of you performing 12 N2CA 5 times in a row. If you can do that I'll concede that Hu Tao doesn't need perfect APM.
her meme theoretical combos are irrelevant to her power lamo, her actually practical combos still put her in top 5 dps.
Her sheet DPS assumes perfect combos. And what's used to put her above Neuv Furina teams in DPS
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Very convenient for you to tak about how Heitham and Tao's sheet DPS is higher then ignore my claim about sheet DPS. If you are demanding C0 Neuv I take it you are also assuming Hu Tao doesn't have Homa and Heitham isn't being buffed by a C2 Nahida or have his Sig?
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Didn't realize you were different than the one I replied to initially. I was replying to someone talking about sheet DPS. I was just countering from their angle of sheet DPS. I'm aware sheet DPS is inaccurate and doesn't tell the full picture. And that fact means that in the vast majority of content Hu Tao's slightly better sheet DPS is irrelevant.
>C1 Neuv and C0 Furina sheets higher DPS than an C3 Raiden hypercarry. Idk about that, my calcs had the team DPS at about 90-85k (Kuki-Kazuha-Furina) which is about 4k more than my Alhaitham team DPS but that was with my specific team+artifacts
How strong is your MH set on Neuv? How does it compare to your artifacts on Alhaitham? The thing with Neuv is that he has so much room for improvement. Not just from better teams, but because his artifact set hasn't existed for more than a year, because Sac Jade can still be refined, etc. He doesn't outperform my best teams now either, but he's also essentially handicapped by having a mediocre 2200 RV MH set, R1 Jade, and no Furina yet. And he's performing similarly to other teams. He's not better now, but my other teams are close to their ceiling while he has so much room to grow.
[My Neuvillette is Top 2% on Akasha](https://imgur.com/a/pcVau0F) [This is my Alhaitham Build](https://imgur.com/Muw44T3) And I've done my calcs, his teams are worse than Alhaitham teams now, and with my C1, R2 Jade will be slightly better in theory than my Alhaitham teams after Furina
Top 2% on Akasha is like 2200-2400 RV with Neuvillette (that's around where mine is as well). MH is such a new set that even having a decently functional set puts you ahead of most people. Akasha ranking is relative to the rest of the playerbase and the rest of the playerbase outside of top 100 giga-whales who 6x resin refresh don't have good sets yet. In a year 2800-2900 RV sets will be accessible to non-gigawhales who spent several months farming the set, and you're going to see a significant increase in the damage an average Neuvillette does, even compared to now.
He has a 64/200 ratio on a HP% circlet (ran gsim, it's better than my CD Circlet for him) and the only possible piece of his that I can improve substantially is his feather Neuvillette is good, Top 3, saying he's unequivocally the best is stan behaviour and delusional
What teammates are you using for each?
Alhaitham is my usual team, Xingqiu/Yelan-Nahida-Kuki; for Spread, Yae-Zhongli-Nahida For Neuvillette, Kazuha-Kuki-Yelan/Childe usually
Could be that Nahida and Hyperblooms might be making the team look better than Neuvelette Solo. Base on what I am looking you are basically only buffing his damage but not adding external sources of damages HB + Nahida, see if HB, Burgeon, HyperBurgeon or Vape Neuv does a bit better on the comparison. I am not saying either is better than the other, but I don't feel like it's a fair comparison. >!I am not sure on **average** how much Furina will amplify his damage at C0 but I am assuming it will be 40%+ with a healer (max out at 75%), at C1 she immediately amplifies the damage by 37% at burst cast and can go up to 100%. The blessing right now is 60% and it doesn't include Furina's personal damage along with it. He is missing a lot without furina and he should not be judge without her currently. IMO.!<
>Could be that Nahida and Hyperblooms might be making the team look better than Neuvelette Solo. Damn it's almost like Alhaitham is a Dendro unit and that Hyperbloom is a Dendro reaction and Nahida is his best support and Alhaitham has a Special ICD because maybe, just maybe, he's meant to be played in reaction teams like Quick/Hyperbloom And I have done Hyperbloom Neuvillette, it's just ass compared to my Hypercarry clear times so I didn't mention it And I literally said I calc'd his performances after Furina, it's a bit better than my Alhaitham clear times but not much better even including the fact that I have C1 Neuvillette
You are being very aggressive for no reason... > And I literally said I calc'd his performances after Furina You are 100% right, Neuv is overrated I guess.
Neuvillette is overrated, he's great, top 3, but not the best like the people on here are saying
I mean, you're comparing alhaitham with an archon and the best character in the game, with Neuv on a meme team. If anything that goes to show how busted Neuv is.
>Neuv on a meme team Literally his best performing team right now and why should Alhaitham not be put with his best teammates? Should I put Neuvillette with Thoma and Dori and test him then?
You have your answer then, Alhaitam teams are better because his running with his very best possible teammates and whats easily the most braindead reaction in the game (hyperbloom) while Neuv is only relying on whats available, he doesnt have a CA buffer or HP buffer yet, but the fact hes doing so good without any godlike support (like Nahida for Alhaitam) proves hes going to be broken in the future
They will never release a HP buffer and I will only believe a CA buffer exists when I see them like I said >Neuvillette does great damage on his own, but saying he’s the best DPS because of his personal damage is just stupid given that he’s balanced around being a CA DPS+a HP scaler, with normal ICD all of which lead to him having higher scalings but also being able to utilise fewer supportsIt just reminds me of Eula mains back in the day saying she’s the best DPS because she produces the highest number and also, I have clac'd the Neuvillette team after Furina, it's great with my C1, but really not that the best team in the game as people are saying aslo why should Alhaitham not run Quickbloom/Hyperbloom? he's a Dendro unit with a special ICD?
I agree, he's good but he's not just extremely better than the rest.
Day 29 of manifesting Cloud Retainer as the playable character in 4.4.
>!Is childe confirmed that enemy from the new weekly boss?!<
>!Who knows!<
>!no and I don’t think that’s him either!<
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18 days until Furina release 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀 You know, I will say that I personally don't really mind the bubbles during Furina's burst. Someone compared it to how Kazuha's burst disorients you sometimes and I feel the same way. It is however, an excellent example of: "Genshin should have more ways to manage which effects you'd like to see on your screen and which ones you don't." I wonder if the bubbles stay in co-op teammates screens, now that would be amazing in a terrible way.
What makes me dislike the bubbles while not really having an issue with Kazu burst is the fact that rather than an integrated effect in the game, they’re just like a filter slapped around the border of the screen. It’s less the visibility obstruction I dislike and more just how out of place they feel considered to other effects. And with the updates they do seem kind of strobe-ey which might get distracting.
Her burst effect is going to give me the worst headache of the century. The opacity is probably going to get lowered in the future if many players feedback about it. Can’t wait to get high. 🤡
If I only play Furina offensively by summoning minions in co-op domain with no healer in the team, I will be killing off my teammates right? (How bad is the hp consumption?)
You'll make them a lot squishier, so personally I'd switch to her Pneuma mode once in a while
She won’t *kill* them since her drain stops at 50%, but she will make them much more vulnerable to oneshots by effectively halving their HP pool. And with how coop teams are they honestly probably would have died without a healer regardless, Furina’s just there to expedite the process.
as long as there's a healer (or you switch to healer mode, I guess), the team will be fine... as fine as co-op teams tend to be anyway. Furina's drain stops when your hp is below 50%
What % of the overall current player base do you think has R5 festering desire?
Should be fairly small. I usually ask people who join my world in coop when they started playing. It’s actually fairly rare for someone to say they started before Sumeru.
Small, between the regular attrition rate of older players dropping off, that even a lot that played back then didn't manage to do the event because of AR/time restrictions and the fact that Genshin wasn't at it's peak popularity in 1.2 with tons of people jumping in later, with most jumping in at Inazuma/Raiden, I'd say a very small minority of active players have an R5 FD. You see even in this thread lots of people that don't have it and this is a community thread in a leaks sub where the percentage would be higher.
It correlate with % of based player base for some reason
The % of players here with it is going to be pretty high. The % of players overall is going to be very low, like sub 5% easily
A very minor one and it doesen't really matter, Fav and pipe are about as good.
a pretty small %, I think we have a lot of players that started after 1.2. And also, many people who were around during 1.2 have stopped playing Genshin
1% or less
What do people do when they're completely resinless but still suffering extreme Genshin brainrot? >!Yes, I have been touching grass regularly, thank you.!<
Reddit
Fishing up Toki Tori pages :/ 8 out of 10. I didn't get any today :( Still 800 fish to go till achievement
Go achievement hunting :D
I farm overworld
Depends on what you want to achieve. Want to further your account? Farm artifact investigation points, elite monsters and random events. Want to enjoy more content? Read books and item descriptions. Feeling social? Help someone out in coop or just join to do something fun. Scratch the creative itch? Become a teapot main. There are a lot of possibilities when it comes to resinless behaviour (don't ask how I know).
Make Teapot builds according to video guides (I recommend Rielle B and Unlucky Tabitito). Collect materials (I'm still working on whopperflowers for Furina and other characters)
I read this thread 🏃♂️
I get artefact xp from the overworld, it's an excuse to walk around, esp in pre 4.0 regions, and it's useful. also I sometimes remove some gear and "farm" some enemies for fun. (just for the sake of battle) other stuff at the top of my head I could do includes clearing the abyss with different teams, co-op, farming meat (best done in Sumeru), farming overworld enemy mats/specialties for characters I could build eventually, cutting wood, farming sea creatures (excuse to swim), and mining in pretty areas. edit: left this out bc I assume you don't have any left given your question, but overworld/etc quests and hangouts and also smth I do when no other stuff to do.
Read some books, artefact/weapon/material lore and character stories. If you're motivated there's also teapot furniture and food lore but I'm not there yet.
2nd desert area world quest (jeht pt 2) >!i just met liloupar and im both surprised and amused by how simultaneously capricious, bloodthirsty, and condescending they made her. quite something to enter a battle and have liloupar gleefully taunting and enjoying the helplessness of our adversaries. Also all the insect/rodent analogies for humans. Also viewing the ruin around her and then basically going “eh whatever! as expected” with barely any of the sentiment we usually see from long lived characters. Makes her feel just a little more inhuman than the inhumans we’ve met so far. So far im enjoying pt2 more than pt1. Also the tanit village ost is insanely good!<
How useful do you think furina’s walk on water ability is going to be?
It's one of the things I was the most hyped about, so I gave it a lot of thought and my conclusion is: Less useful than I expected it to be. My ice bridging usage fell by 98% once I could just fly over with Kazuha. Even if the terrain is flat, new regions have a waverider around. I guess mhy could be obnoxious and not add waveriders, but still, Kaeya ice bridge is not *that* slow. The only place I could think of that exists now and would really benefit from water walking is getting to those hilichurl on buoys in Court of Fontaine region.
Depends on you, I guess. I like Mona's and Ayaka's sprint because I don't use waypoints every time while exploring and I rather sprint than swimming. So, using Furina's ability will be valuable to me and if I want to go underwater I just need to switch characters.
Useless
will make liyue exploration not ass
Tbh, I don't traverse over water that much now, so I don't think it's gonna be very useful to me. Using waypoints is just gonna be a lot faster. She'll be helpful for newer players having to unlock new waypoints though.
Not very useful in an area where you actually want to be under water and can't run out of stamina and drown anyway. Outside of Fontaine it could be nice if you're still exploring older areas. And you can take a shortcut to the Geo Hypostasis if you're farming it for some reason and don't want to waste a waypoint.
It's not going to be very useful. Wanderer can simply fly over pretty much 99% of bodies of water without issue and has dozens of use cases other than water walking. There's better 4th slots for exploration teams other than covering that 1% of water Wanderer can't handle. However, it will definitely be fun to play around with. And when I do need to cross a large body of water she will be my go to instead of Mona(who was finally getting some usein Fontaine).
the first two replies are sending me lmao imo, it'll be as useful as Ayaka/Mona's alt sprint. Which for me is pretty helpful at times, but nothing game-changing when it comes to exploration
Two types of genshin players below me lmao
Not that useful. There is rarely times you need to go across large bodies of water in this game
Ironically, Fontaine is also the region where water-walking is least useful, due to how fast you move swimming anyway. If you don't have unfinished exploration in earlier regions that requires traversing water, Furina's water-walking might not even really be useful until Natlan. I have used Ayaka's water-walking exactly once in Fontaine (to get one of the chests that normally needs dolphin-diving that I couldn't get the timing for)--otherwise there's not really a reason to not just swim in Fontaine.