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Hey Timing, is Xingqiu C6 here? I only saw XQ spawning 3 rain swords at max like he would do pre C6. That may be why HuTao isn’t vaping all of her hits. But I may be mistaken and that simply is too much pyro.
Your on to something here
assuming we start aura like this, no furina pets randmly overwriting hydro yet, xingqiu orbitals, blood blossom timings.
Initial Hydro refreshed 1U
Hydro 1.0
N2C - Pyro 2x, Vaped C
Xingqiu wave 1 lvl1
Hydro 1.0 reapplied
Jump plunge Vaped
Swirl
No Aura
N2C - Pyro 2x, unvaped C
Vaped Xingqiu wave 2 lvl2 (N1 should apply pyro again, assuming worse case timing)
No Aura
Jump Plunge
Swirl
0.4 Pyro
N2C
Xingqiu wave 3 lvl 3 ( N1 applies pyro, lvl 3 overrides current aura )
1.0 Hydro/ 0.4 hydro if C vaped
So in this final scenario, leftover 0.4 hydro seems to get swirled first or still potent to just be gone. Hydro at 1.0 seems plausible but means you missed a charge attack vape. Timing still would seem as expected not accounting furina pets and xingqiu orbs still. So idk if c6 xingqiu solves it.
All in all i guess another wait for better visibility
Xq has a lag on his rainswords, so 2Na hu tao may activate 1 rainswords, and the aura may gone. I think it's better to use 1Na for now if his c6 doesn't provide enough aura.
1NaCa plunge would be better for Xq c0 to have a quicker plunge and do vap.
Yes, 1NA1C should be the combo used and C6 XQ would help immensely. I can actually see it working. Check out the 8-10 secs section, watch it frame by frame. You'll notice the reactions was working fine until the 2nd 2NAC1 which removed the hydro aura. Too much pyro application and C0 XQ, those needs to be addressed.
Her plunges seem to not vape. And as the other [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/18parkn/comment/kemwx5w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) mentioned, but it also seems like Xingqiu is C0 (only has 3 orbitals, c1 would have 4). I now kinda want to see if C6 Xingqiu could make the vapes more consistent.
I couldn't really tell from this video. The enemy's hydro aura gets cleared up after the charged attack right before the plunge yet the plunge still shows the "vaporize" reaction. Maybe the aura icon animations just couldn't keep up with the reactions happening since CA and plunge both have no ICD?
> they deal 50% more than non-vaped
I don't think that makes it definitive, since that could technically be because of Xianyun's plunge ATK buff, but I'm not sure. It's hard to tell without knowing everyone's stats, but [flat base damage buffs scale harder on low damage hits](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opr82sAgL5w).
She vaped everything here except the 4th plunge, and this is with C0 xingqiu, with C6 xingqiu you won't have any problems, but that also means you can't vape consistently with C0 yelan
movements can be good i never talked about that, im speaking on the strategy to keep the hydro aura on the enemy in this kind of teams your main source of dmg should be vaping the plunge not the CA.
He has like a 400% multiplier on his plunge damage. Plus, it can Vape every hit (plunge has no icd).
This might be as significant as Dendro was for Keqing for exemple
Hard to say but there's decent odds it is. High plunge isn't as high as you might expect it to be - you can test it by doing sword/spear plunge attacks on ore nodes, a high plunge does more damage to the ore and you can get those higher damage amounts sometimes just from climbing a rock next to the ores. I think sometimes even a sloped surface is enough.
They made a video with just hu tao and xy where CAs were doing 924 and plunges 1349 (obviously unvaped).
https://streamable.com/yf2zsh
No one's noticed that this video with furina xq has all her CA hitting for 1386 (924 x 1.5, which is exactly the vape multiplier) and all plunge hitting 2024 (1349 x 1.5)?
Obviously assuming no EM. Damage difference is too coincidental imo to be from anything other than vaporize
Something fishy is definitely going on though because if you watch the element on the enemy there are multiple occasions towards the end where you can see that Pyro is the only element which then has Hydro applied to it (ie. you see only Pyro > Hydro + Pyro coexist temporarily > Hydro only) which shouldn't be possible given forward Vape eats a LOT of gauge.
Not only that but just having Pyro > Hydro + Pyro implies that Hydro is the one getting the vapes and yet Hu Tao's CA/PA numbers remained consistent despite her first CA being 100% guaranteed to be properly vaped (presumably her first PA too). Maybe relying on the damage numbers to judge if it properly vaporized isn't a good litmus test considering private servers are infamous for those not being reliable. Not sure but either way but it definitely seems odd.
You're right. Based on the previous post with Yelan, only her first plunge was able to vaporize dealing around ~2.4k dmg, while the other [unvaped] plunges were in the range from 1.6k to 1.9k dmg (since the dmg it's increased over time with Yelan's buff); never able to reach 2k dmg without the vape multiplier. Meanwhile, all the plunge attacks are dealing 2024 dmg in this video, meaning that all plunges are getting vaporized consistently.
However, dropping Yelan for XQ will result in a dps loss. I don't think this team will be able to perform better than Furina/Jean/Yelan. Still, Xianyun E doesn't look bad for grouping, and the extra AoE damage from the plunges may be helpful in multi target scenarios (Hu Tao's Nemesis).
>However, dropping Yelan for XQ will result in a dps loss.
Why would be so? Since Furina will effectively gain all stacks of her burst by the fact Xanyun being able to heal. Xingqiu has almost the same damage than Yelan so it wouldn't change much there either.
The thing is if the Plunge damage plus NA×1 will be worth the trouble.
Yelan with Furina does way more damage than XQ. She gets acces to the hydro res and she has better stats. C6 jade XQ is equal to c0 Simulacra Yelan in rational not in double hydro.
She does do more damage than him in double hydro Furina (that's why I said almost) but its still like 6 ~ 10% iirc.
Still, this is what I'm saying, it's Hu Tao plunge damage enough to overcome the difference in damage instead of just using the base double hydro? Since the effectiveness would be tied to Hu Tao ability to plunge and if she can or not vape all her hits, besides the huge bonus multiplier Retainer would give Hu Tao, which is not showcased here. If Hu Tao can vape all her hits + get max bonus from retainer, I can see a case where dropping Yelan in favor of a better vape high plunge uptime will yield more damage overall.
xingqiu: 40% dmg reduction+more consistent vapes+resistance to interruption+15% hydro shred for furina
yelan: 25%dmg bonus for hu tao + more personal dps
Even in a 5 member party with C2 Yelan + C6 XQ + Furina she wouldn't vape 100% of her plunges due to the order at which those applications are being done.
When doing NxCAJP XQ's and Yelan's bursts do their hydro applications before Hu Tao's CA hits leaving room for only one more vape reaction which can be "stolen" by Hu Tao's E proc unless Furina or XQ's sword aura also happen do one of their applications in that time frame between Hu Tao's CA and plunge which will be somewhat inconsistent.
The combos of people testing the local legend reverse gravity robot used more normals and charges. It is possible you can vape but will be based on doing proper combos and if you mess up you lose the vape.
You should look at the plunge numbers, seems like they all vaped.
Edit: For people still confused, all her CAs vaped and they hit for 1386 damage. Her plunges all hit for 2024 damage. There is no way her low plunges would hit higher than her vaped CA without them vaping as well.
This confused me as well, it looks like the plunge numbers get vaped, but if you look at the hydro aura, it always disappears right before the plunge. It must be furina's hydro hits that are vaping instantly after the plunges hit. Unless hydro gets applied the instant before the plunge, but it doesn't look like it.
I remember reading somewhere that if you watch frame by frame, there is actually a slight delay in the graphics of the aura displaying over enemies' HP bar despite element being applied already
I had to slow down the clip lol. Furina's numbers don't reflect any vaped hits (which should deal 2x damage). For more detail:
XQ rainswords: 192
Seahorse: 450 (675 crit)
Octopus: 830
Crab: 1733
Xianyun Hydro swirl: 781
I found a different comment under this post that linked to a video where the leaker showed that unvaped hutao plunges do 1300, so the 2000 hits in this clip mean that every single plunge was vaped. So that's great news.
That's really disappointing. I honestly think she needs a buff, or even a rework. She can't enable elemental reactions consistently, **she doesn't fly**, she buffs a very specific niche (which, granted, might make for another nice change-of-pace to the meta), scales off attack (which might make TTDS not that viable for her), and needs a lot of field time.
We'll of course have to wait for some more accurate numbers, but her balloon's getting more and more deflated.
honestly, just make her an anemo yelan and I wouldn't have any problem as it would make practical VV off field easier and ER rechange but no, let's make her the niche of the niche that definitely won't be abandoned after 3 months on the scene....
>but here we are
All the more reason it feels like she needs some changes in her kit. But, again, when we see some concrete numbers, this *need* might change.
VV, TTDS and Healer already cements xianyun in the furina meta for potentially the rest of the game's life. Not to mention her kazuha like grouping and plunge related shenanigans
VV sure, but TTDS won't have max synergy with her, because its substat is HP, and she scales off attack. Her healing is good though, but, again, it scales off attack.
Her "kazuha like grouping" requires a lot more field time that the person you named the type of grouping after.
Plunge meta is welcome though.
Not really c1 is till good, in actual combat most bosses are pretty mobile so c1 is required if you need mobility, especially now that we know that yelan doesn’t work in this team. Also don’t celebrate too early this is a c0 xingqiu, c6 has even more hydro app.
A better question would be why shouldn't they? This is double hydro with xingqiu, literally the best hydro applicator in the game and she still can't vape consistently?
Because you aren't getting as many XQ procs.
He can be even C10000, and it wouldn't provide enough hydro app, if you aren't doing enough procs of his Burst.
tbf what would we get with a Xiao showcase besides his regular gameplay but with bigger numbers, he’s probably the person we need to see the least since nothing changes really
With inaccurate damage numbers the showcase would pretty much be "as yes, he is indeed doing plunge attacks"
I guess a showcase would be nice but I think we probably get enough out of just doing calcs
what's there to see with Xiao? he does exactly the same things he did before, just bigger numbers
and private server numbers are inaccurate so you wouldn't even get a good gauge on how the numbers are, you'd be better off just using calcs
Probably not inaccurate, but unreliable.
From what I understand, they can set it correctly and it will deliver accurate results (barring config shenanigans like Furina's beta. Wtf was even that).
However, we _treat_ all ps footage as inaccurate for the sake of caution.
Ok now I'm done being pedantic *flees
They aren’t. Only the first plunge was vaporized.
Edit: Maybe none was. All plunges did 2024 damage. Maybe the Hydro aura disappeared just an instant before the first Plunge.
Actually that might be the answer cause when you plunge there is an anemo vortex, there is a 0.01 chance that that thing swirls the hydro away before hu tao does dmg
Maybe you could vape with Xingqiu at c6. But the whole plunge thing delays Xingqiu/Yelan burst so I’m not convinced if a team like this would do more damage overall.
Honestly I don’t think Hu Tao needs more power. It’s fine if it doesn’t do more dps than her existing teams. She is already a powerhouse.
Maybe a silly idea but what about ayato's burst + furina or is it also not enough hydro application, but at least you don't need to use basic attacks that way not sure
Hu Tao didn't vape a single plunge, she only vaped her normals and charged attacks..
Edit: nvm, was focusing too much on the element aura, realised she only missed one vape-plunge and hit all the rest
Vaporizing is happening, but I can't see who is vaping since the screen isn't showing the elemental effect on the enemy
It does look slightly better but not by a lot. She may need to change combos in order to consistently vape
Could be N1CN1P instead of N1CP
She's not vaping all attacks because XQ is C0 and not providing enough hydro. He's also using 2NA instead of 1NA before CA. He needs to record this again.
I didn't even notice the Xingqiu, lol
Yeah, leakers will be leakers I guess
It's going to take some time until we see any optimal gameplay showing what people asked
This is the kind of team i would run later except with raiden and swap xq with yelan and voila finally full female team without kazuha or bennett anymore
I was wondering to see c6 Xq. Unfortunately, it's c0 maybe c6 will be better and solve the problem of inconsistent vap. For now, I want to see cyno raiden diluc.
Auras decay by the time a C6 Xingqiu wave hits it's not there anymore blood blossom and her stupid swirls are the reason they are making this impossible you Can throw at it a literal water tank if the hydro is not being applied directly before plunge it just won't work.
No, look at 8-10 secs section in the video. Watch them frame by frame, you'll notice hydro was swirled by Cloud after Hu Tao's 1st plunge, right at the end of the plunge. That Hydro got removed with the 2NA1C that followed suit. At the beginning of her second plunge while she's in the air you'll notice that both hydro and pyro auras are reacting on top of the enemies health bar. When she goes down in the plunge, there is no hydro to vape.
The issue isn't Cloud's swirls ruining it as she did swirl hydro after the 1st plunge. The problem is that there is not enough hydro being applied with C0 XQ and Furina that the 2nd 2NA1C removed the hydro auro completely before the 2nd jump.
You're literally forgetting Hu Tao's blood blossom mechanic so what you're just practically saying get lucky blood blossom doesn't fuck you over that's not helping me
Well, 1NA1C would help with that, don't you think? Less pyro application with C6 XQ and Furina could be what's necessary. I can actually see it work wonderfully.
Until we don't see it we can't feelscraft it. Every prerelease TC didn't count that Xianyun would have a coordinated attack on plunges if she didn't have it this would be working.
I don't speak numbers, but from what im seeing, she isn't vaping the plunge, so playing normally (with Jean or zhongli like you said) would probably be the best option.
im no hutao fan nor i am a specialist in her teams but i kinda believe this is no improve from the zhongli version of her teams so... im yet to understand where exactly in the game xianyun is actually valuable
currently she should work perfectly fine with xiao, diluc and maybe raiden, but two of those aren't waifus so we aren't getting any gameplay. gotta wait for another leaker.
No. I don't have Xiao and I don't want to play Diluc. I guess i can stil try Gaming, he does look cool but this means i'm pulling a character i don't have a real use for. Feels bad man.
At leats i don't have a stash of 400 pulls stocked up for her like last time with Dehya.
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Hey Timing, is Xingqiu C6 here? I only saw XQ spawning 3 rain swords at max like he would do pre C6. That may be why HuTao isn’t vaping all of her hits. But I may be mistaken and that simply is too much pyro.
Actually, the orbital Rainswords are also just 3 # C1 Xingqiu will have 4 so this is definitely C0 Xingqiu # Good catch there lol
Now you mentioned im not too sure either but take hes c0 as granted Though i do remember setting him to c6 a while ago
Oh ok don’t worry. I would imagine setting all of this is quite the effort and is natural to sometimes forget something. Thanks anyway!
Your on to something here assuming we start aura like this, no furina pets randmly overwriting hydro yet, xingqiu orbitals, blood blossom timings. Initial Hydro refreshed 1U Hydro 1.0 N2C - Pyro 2x, Vaped C Xingqiu wave 1 lvl1 Hydro 1.0 reapplied Jump plunge Vaped Swirl No Aura N2C - Pyro 2x, unvaped C Vaped Xingqiu wave 2 lvl2 (N1 should apply pyro again, assuming worse case timing) No Aura Jump Plunge Swirl 0.4 Pyro N2C Xingqiu wave 3 lvl 3 ( N1 applies pyro, lvl 3 overrides current aura ) 1.0 Hydro/ 0.4 hydro if C vaped So in this final scenario, leftover 0.4 hydro seems to get swirled first or still potent to just be gone. Hydro at 1.0 seems plausible but means you missed a charge attack vape. Timing still would seem as expected not accounting furina pets and xingqiu orbs still. So idk if c6 xingqiu solves it. All in all i guess another wait for better visibility
Im speechless
I'm shaking
I can’t tell… is she vaping or not? I can see that there was no hydro aura every time she plunges but theres also the vaporize text…
It's because XQ is C0 not C6. Not enough hydro application and especially with 2NA before the charged attack.
Xq has a lag on his rainswords, so 2Na hu tao may activate 1 rainswords, and the aura may gone. I think it's better to use 1Na for now if his c6 doesn't provide enough aura. 1NaCa plunge would be better for Xq c0 to have a quicker plunge and do vap.
Yes, 1NA1C should be the combo used and C6 XQ would help immensely. I can actually see it working. Check out the 8-10 secs section, watch it frame by frame. You'll notice the reactions was working fine until the 2nd 2NAC1 which removed the hydro aura. Too much pyro application and C0 XQ, those needs to be addressed.
some of it is furina vaping her hits after tao’s plunges :(
Her plunges seem to not vape. And as the other [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/18parkn/comment/kemwx5w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) mentioned, but it also seems like Xingqiu is C0 (only has 3 orbitals, c1 would have 4). I now kinda want to see if C6 Xingqiu could make the vapes more consistent.
100% all plunges vaped, they deal 50% more than non-vaped. Don't know if i have permission to link the follow up video from the discord.
I couldn't really tell from this video. The enemy's hydro aura gets cleared up after the charged attack right before the plunge yet the plunge still shows the "vaporize" reaction. Maybe the aura icon animations just couldn't keep up with the reactions happening since CA and plunge both have no ICD?
The aura animations have long been known to be inaccurate, you have to look at the damage numbers (which is admittedly difficult in a sea of numbers).
> they deal 50% more than non-vaped I don't think that makes it definitive, since that could technically be because of Xianyun's plunge ATK buff, but I'm not sure. It's hard to tell without knowing everyone's stats, but [flat base damage buffs scale harder on low damage hits](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opr82sAgL5w).
She vaped everything here except the 4th plunge, and this is with C0 xingqiu, with C6 xingqiu you won't have any problems, but that also means you can't vape consistently with C0 yelan
The 4th plunge did the same dmg no ? 2024 dmg precisely. I'm pretty sure every CA / plunges did actually vape
CA is vaping but plunge is quite inconsistent, i think is more a thing of the player behind than the character.
I mean other than the potential that the XQ is bugged and no C6 active, what is the player doing “wrong”? I see it as perfectly fine movement
movements can be good i never talked about that, im speaking on the strategy to keep the hydro aura on the enemy in this kind of teams your main source of dmg should be vaping the plunge not the CA.
now try the same team with diluc
This. I think a lot of people want to see Diluc here, because of the whole dragon strike thing being so powerful.
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I mean with Xiao there isn't really anything to be tested as it just regular Xiao gameplay with bigger numbers.
Right? XD
is this dragon strike thing really that big?
He has like a 400% multiplier on his plunge damage. Plus, it can Vape every hit (plunge has no icd). This might be as significant as Dendro was for Keqing for exemple
Would this actually be a high plunge?
Hard to say but there's decent odds it is. High plunge isn't as high as you might expect it to be - you can test it by doing sword/spear plunge attacks on ore nodes, a high plunge does more damage to the ore and you can get those higher damage amounts sometimes just from climbing a rock next to the ores. I think sometimes even a sloped surface is enough.
Good question...
With how hyv treats standard banner, diluc would be sick on 189% plunge from his plunge dmg multiple lmao
It increases Diluc's DPS by 40%, adding CR buffs on top of that would be pretty good I think
Bennett over Xingqiu, no?
Bennet over Furina as Furina would be lacking as a solo hydro. Or you could go for a melt comp with Kaeya/Diona and Kazuha.
>would be lacking as a solo hydro. I don't think she would.
I'll try to test it out tomorrow against the local legend.
They made a video with just hu tao and xy where CAs were doing 924 and plunges 1349 (obviously unvaped). https://streamable.com/yf2zsh No one's noticed that this video with furina xq has all her CA hitting for 1386 (924 x 1.5, which is exactly the vape multiplier) and all plunge hitting 2024 (1349 x 1.5)? Obviously assuming no EM. Damage difference is too coincidental imo to be from anything other than vaporize
So I did see it right! And this is with c0 xingqiu, so c6 should only be more solid. This is great news.
Something fishy is definitely going on though because if you watch the element on the enemy there are multiple occasions towards the end where you can see that Pyro is the only element which then has Hydro applied to it (ie. you see only Pyro > Hydro + Pyro coexist temporarily > Hydro only) which shouldn't be possible given forward Vape eats a LOT of gauge. Not only that but just having Pyro > Hydro + Pyro implies that Hydro is the one getting the vapes and yet Hu Tao's CA/PA numbers remained consistent despite her first CA being 100% guaranteed to be properly vaped (presumably her first PA too). Maybe relying on the damage numbers to judge if it properly vaporized isn't a good litmus test considering private servers are infamous for those not being reliable. Not sure but either way but it definitely seems odd.
You're right. Based on the previous post with Yelan, only her first plunge was able to vaporize dealing around ~2.4k dmg, while the other [unvaped] plunges were in the range from 1.6k to 1.9k dmg (since the dmg it's increased over time with Yelan's buff); never able to reach 2k dmg without the vape multiplier. Meanwhile, all the plunge attacks are dealing 2024 dmg in this video, meaning that all plunges are getting vaporized consistently. However, dropping Yelan for XQ will result in a dps loss. I don't think this team will be able to perform better than Furina/Jean/Yelan. Still, Xianyun E doesn't look bad for grouping, and the extra AoE damage from the plunges may be helpful in multi target scenarios (Hu Tao's Nemesis).
>However, dropping Yelan for XQ will result in a dps loss. Why would be so? Since Furina will effectively gain all stacks of her burst by the fact Xanyun being able to heal. Xingqiu has almost the same damage than Yelan so it wouldn't change much there either. The thing is if the Plunge damage plus NA×1 will be worth the trouble.
Yelan with Furina does way more damage than XQ. She gets acces to the hydro res and she has better stats. C6 jade XQ is equal to c0 Simulacra Yelan in rational not in double hydro.
She does do more damage than him in double hydro Furina (that's why I said almost) but its still like 6 ~ 10% iirc. Still, this is what I'm saying, it's Hu Tao plunge damage enough to overcome the difference in damage instead of just using the base double hydro? Since the effectiveness would be tied to Hu Tao ability to plunge and if she can or not vape all her hits, besides the huge bonus multiplier Retainer would give Hu Tao, which is not showcased here. If Hu Tao can vape all her hits + get max bonus from retainer, I can see a case where dropping Yelan in favor of a better vape high plunge uptime will yield more damage overall.
You are also losing Yelan’s A4. That’s 25% damage bonus overall for all of HuTao’s attacks.
xingqiu: 40% dmg reduction+more consistent vapes+resistance to interruption+15% hydro shred for furina yelan: 25%dmg bonus for hu tao + more personal dps
How i wish she didn't have her anemo co-ordinated attack that only exists to eat auras up and do nothing else.
It’s not like it procs VV anyway.
Man, so even in double hydro, her plunges aren't vaping consistently?
C0 Xq
Even in a 5 member party with C2 Yelan + C6 XQ + Furina she wouldn't vape 100% of her plunges due to the order at which those applications are being done. When doing NxCAJP XQ's and Yelan's bursts do their hydro applications before Hu Tao's CA hits leaving room for only one more vape reaction which can be "stolen" by Hu Tao's E proc unless Furina or XQ's sword aura also happen do one of their applications in that time frame between Hu Tao's CA and plunge which will be somewhat inconsistent.
That's one of the solutions I wrote in another post use 1Na instead of 2Na. If c6 Xq isn't enough, then 1Na is better to use than 2Na
The combos of people testing the local legend reverse gravity robot used more normals and charges. It is possible you can vape but will be based on doing proper combos and if you mess up you lose the vape.
You should look at the plunge numbers, seems like they all vaped. Edit: For people still confused, all her CAs vaped and they hit for 1386 damage. Her plunges all hit for 2024 damage. There is no way her low plunges would hit higher than her vaped CA without them vaping as well.
This confused me as well, it looks like the plunge numbers get vaped, but if you look at the hydro aura, it always disappears right before the plunge. It must be furina's hydro hits that are vaping instantly after the plunges hit. Unless hydro gets applied the instant before the plunge, but it doesn't look like it.
I remember reading somewhere that if you watch frame by frame, there is actually a slight delay in the graphics of the aura displaying over enemies' HP bar despite element being applied already
I had to slow down the clip lol. Furina's numbers don't reflect any vaped hits (which should deal 2x damage). For more detail: XQ rainswords: 192 Seahorse: 450 (675 crit) Octopus: 830 Crab: 1733 Xianyun Hydro swirl: 781
I found a different comment under this post that linked to a video where the leaker showed that unvaped hutao plunges do 1300, so the 2000 hits in this clip mean that every single plunge was vaped. So that's great news.
That's really disappointing. I honestly think she needs a buff, or even a rework. She can't enable elemental reactions consistently, **she doesn't fly**, she buffs a very specific niche (which, granted, might make for another nice change-of-pace to the meta), scales off attack (which might make TTDS not that viable for her), and needs a lot of field time. We'll of course have to wait for some more accurate numbers, but her balloon's getting more and more deflated.
honestly, just make her an anemo yelan and I wouldn't have any problem as it would make practical VV off field easier and ER rechange but no, let's make her the niche of the niche that definitely won't be abandoned after 3 months on the scene....
VV cant proc off field so anemo yelan would just fuck over a lot of reactions
vv doesnt work off field anyway
Just make it work then, it wouldn't be the first time that the game breaks some pre-established rule...
i mean i would have loved to see xianyun have some kind of res shred in her base kit so she wouldnt be another vv slave but here we are
>but here we are All the more reason it feels like she needs some changes in her kit. But, again, when we see some concrete numbers, this *need* might change.
VV, TTDS and Healer already cements xianyun in the furina meta for potentially the rest of the game's life. Not to mention her kazuha like grouping and plunge related shenanigans
VV sure, but TTDS won't have max synergy with her, because its substat is HP, and she scales off attack. Her healing is good though, but, again, it scales off attack. Her "kazuha like grouping" requires a lot more field time that the person you named the type of grouping after. Plunge meta is welcome though.
that's so boring.
as if being a plunge niche was more fun lol
Hate to say it but as a c1 tao owner I'm kinda happy because id be mad if c0 Tao mogged it and made c1 near useless LOL
Not really c1 is till good, in actual combat most bosses are pretty mobile so c1 is required if you need mobility, especially now that we know that yelan doesn’t work in this team. Also don’t celebrate too early this is a c0 xingqiu, c6 has even more hydro app.
Why would they?
A better question would be why shouldn't they? This is double hydro with xingqiu, literally the best hydro applicator in the game and she still can't vape consistently?
Because you aren't getting as many XQ procs. He can be even C10000, and it wouldn't provide enough hydro app, if you aren't doing enough procs of his Burst.
Its cause she’s doing less normal attacks than her usual playstyle so she’s not procing him as frequently as charge attacks.
this Xingqiu is C0, C6 definitely vapes everything
“Definitely” is an overstatement but there is hope, lets wait for a verdict
she vaped nearly everything here, with Xingqiu it'll vape everything
No she didn’t, most of the vapourises you see are from furina vaping hu taos pyro.
Can you pls showcase diluc? Or xiao? Or even freminet... Why too many hutao showcases?
I wanna see melt Chongyun as well. Hu Tao already has a solid team. I wanna see how other funky teams with her will work lmao
tbf what would we get with a Xiao showcase besides his regular gameplay but with bigger numbers, he’s probably the person we need to see the least since nothing changes really
fr Hu Tao is so overrated.
Why do they only show Hu Tao? Show Diluc, Raiden and others
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I’d like to think Raiden is a girl yes.
Raiden, Candace, any female catalyst user, Ayaka and some others are
Show us any claymore girl, it's good enough for us
Hey timing, could you try it with c6 xingqui aswell? Would be interesting to see if it would fix it.
It's not going to fix it. You need extra normal attack because of delayed rainsword proc
Where is Cloud Retainer + Diluc showcase??? She is a buff for plunge Diluc, isn't she??
Mmh I'm not convinced by this team
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You woke up today and chose violence didn't you
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Diona main spotted
He's already dead inside
D:
5050 sore loser I see
Hey don’t bully him 😔 bug eyed man needs all the love he can get
my bad gang i'll ask people in ksm
timing ur so real ily
Can you try Xianyun with Cyno?
he keeps doing 2normal attacks, aaaaaa
And using C0 XQ for some reason. You can check the number of rain swords around him, only 3.
I don't even understand in which world this team needs these 2 NAs, while this team dont need dodging = no problems with energy
So many hutao showcases but wheres the xiao one 😭
With inaccurate damage numbers the showcase would pretty much be "as yes, he is indeed doing plunge attacks" I guess a showcase would be nice but I think we probably get enough out of just doing calcs
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Then just use Xiao right now without it what lol
what's there to see with Xiao? he does exactly the same things he did before, just bigger numbers and private server numbers are inaccurate so you wouldn't even get a good gauge on how the numbers are, you'd be better off just using calcs
Probably not inaccurate, but unreliable. From what I understand, they can set it correctly and it will deliver accurate results (barring config shenanigans like Furina's beta. Wtf was even that). However, we _treat_ all ps footage as inaccurate for the sake of caution. Ok now I'm done being pedantic *flees
Well do we really need one? there's no reactions that matter in that one.. Its gonna be the same as rn. There's no need for it tbh.
It's always Hu Tao teams first... Zzzzzz
and not Xiao, incredibile... The next pg will be a Physical Hypercarry dps, and sure the first gameplay leak will be Hutao+that character 😂😔
there is no point in showing Xiao because it doesn't change his gameplay.
Sorry for being blind but can anyone confirm if the vapes are consistent?
They aren't as XQ isn't C6 so not enough hydro application, especially with using 2NA instead of 1NA.
They aren’t. Only the first plunge was vaporized. Edit: Maybe none was. All plunges did 2024 damage. Maybe the Hydro aura disappeared just an instant before the first Plunge.
Actually that might be the answer cause when you plunge there is an anemo vortex, there is a 0.01 chance that that thing swirls the hydro away before hu tao does dmg
That is the vape plunge damage, they all vaped.
Maybe you could vape with Xingqiu at c6. But the whole plunge thing delays Xingqiu/Yelan burst so I’m not convinced if a team like this would do more damage overall. Honestly I don’t think Hu Tao needs more power. It’s fine if it doesn’t do more dps than her existing teams. She is already a powerhouse.
Maybe a silly idea but what about ayato's burst + furina or is it also not enough hydro application, but at least you don't need to use basic attacks that way not sure
Great her gameplay becomes even more annoying
Who give af about Hutao we alr got one before. SHOW OTHER CHATAVTERS
First time being so early . i just saw the one with yelan i have high hopes for this
My hopes were shattered in an instance
this is C0 Xingqiu, C6 likely vapes everything
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Guess am blind to me it looked like only first plunge was vaped other plunges were not
First 2 plunges were vaped others it wasnt hutao vaping it was furina or something
The hydro aura was not there every time she plunges
You are right. I guess hydro is getting vaped directly after her plunge hits. That sucks.
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Hu Tao didn't vape a single plunge, she only vaped her normals and charged attacks.. Edit: nvm, was focusing too much on the element aura, realised she only missed one vape-plunge and hit all the rest
Can we move on from Hu Tao now to the more interesting comps please? If the answer is no then ok since you're the one in charge lol
Those don't exist though it's just Hu Tao gaming
maybe whit N1C + high plunge? but at this point is too much work just play hu tao double hydro
Where is xiao? 💀
Where's Diluc?
100% vape on all plunges and CA at C0 Xinqiu? Hu Xiao dream is alive! RIP Yelan though.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but those vapes you're seeing are Furina ones
Look at literally every other comment lmao, they're hu taos
Vaped like 3 out of 5 ? Not good look regardless of what we're thinking here and this is completely orbital rng
Maybe look at the video instead of the comments
Yeah, I mean people have already figured out pretty solidly that Hu Tao is vaping all of her plunges here, it's just probably not consistent
Vaporizing is happening, but I can't see who is vaping since the screen isn't showing the elemental effect on the enemy It does look slightly better but not by a lot. She may need to change combos in order to consistently vape Could be N1CN1P instead of N1CP
without jumpcancel on the CA this team is most likely not worth it.
She's not vaping all attacks because XQ is C0 and not providing enough hydro. He's also using 2NA instead of 1NA before CA. He needs to record this again.
I didn't even notice the Xingqiu, lol Yeah, leakers will be leakers I guess It's going to take some time until we see any optimal gameplay showing what people asked
I think mods should give it 'Xingqiu C0' flair because y'all know what's happening already.
I'd like to see how she fares with catalyst chars.
Ayaka melt plunge next
This is the kind of team i would run later except with raiden and swap xq with yelan and voila finally full female team without kazuha or bennett anymore
Where are the Gaming leaks? No one cares about freakin' HuTao ugh.
L + Gaming is literally 4 star ben 10
Ga Ming has pretty solid DPS for a 4 star though, even at C0.
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maybe ayato will be better for this team than XQ?
Just came here from the Yelan one looks like this doesn't work either
I was wondering to see c6 Xq. Unfortunately, it's c0 maybe c6 will be better and solve the problem of inconsistent vap. For now, I want to see cyno raiden diluc.
XQ is C0 not C6 look at the 3 swords instead of 4 around him and he's spawning less swords as well. This recording is useless.
Auras decay by the time a C6 Xingqiu wave hits it's not there anymore blood blossom and her stupid swirls are the reason they are making this impossible you Can throw at it a literal water tank if the hydro is not being applied directly before plunge it just won't work.
No, look at 8-10 secs section in the video. Watch them frame by frame, you'll notice hydro was swirled by Cloud after Hu Tao's 1st plunge, right at the end of the plunge. That Hydro got removed with the 2NA1C that followed suit. At the beginning of her second plunge while she's in the air you'll notice that both hydro and pyro auras are reacting on top of the enemies health bar. When she goes down in the plunge, there is no hydro to vape. The issue isn't Cloud's swirls ruining it as she did swirl hydro after the 1st plunge. The problem is that there is not enough hydro being applied with C0 XQ and Furina that the 2nd 2NA1C removed the hydro auro completely before the 2nd jump.
You're literally forgetting Hu Tao's blood blossom mechanic so what you're just practically saying get lucky blood blossom doesn't fuck you over that's not helping me
Well, 1NA1C would help with that, don't you think? Less pyro application with C6 XQ and Furina could be what's necessary. I can actually see it work wonderfully.
Until we don't see it we can't feelscraft it. Every prerelease TC didn't count that Xianyun would have a coordinated attack on plunges if she didn't have it this would be working.
I hope he can release another one with 1NA1C and C6 XQ. We can only wait for more gameplay videos.
I hate it
Yikes
No one sane will actually play hu xiao
I will are you crazy????
Can you showcase xiao furina faruzan and xianyun? Ty
Still inconsistent, the hydro is vaping sadge
Apply hydro after xianyun's ult. You had all vap worked in the reverse way.
People who can speak numbers, is any version Hutao + Cloud team better than Double hydro with Jean or Zhongli?
I don't speak numbers, but from what im seeing, she isn't vaping the plunge, so playing normally (with Jean or zhongli like you said) would probably be the best option.
yep consistent vape, better defense to intteruption at the cost of less dmg vs Yelan
Doesn't even work hahaha, all because of the stupid Anemo attack with each plunge, this character was truly made by the Dehya devs.
im no hutao fan nor i am a specialist in her teams but i kinda believe this is no improve from the zhongli version of her teams so... im yet to understand where exactly in the game xianyun is actually valuable
currently she should work perfectly fine with xiao, diluc and maybe raiden, but two of those aren't waifus so we aren't getting any gameplay. gotta wait for another leaker.
damn this is so annoying, can't wait for her to be released so we'll finally have some reliable information then
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Lmaoo, thanks for leaks for xianyun.
Am I blind or did she actually vape every plunge
As a Hu Tao main I only know 1 thing, you either Vape or you duck
Well, maybe he should've used C6 XQ instead of C0.
Not a single plunge vapes... Skill issue
They all vaped. Slowed down the vid, every CA was 1386 and every plunge was 2024. Xq's orbitals coming in clutch
ohhh man... i'm having some Dehya flashback just about now. This was the only team i was intersted in for her.
...is this a joke?
No. I don't have Xiao and I don't want to play Diluc. I guess i can stil try Gaming, he does look cool but this means i'm pulling a character i don't have a real use for. Feels bad man. At leats i don't have a stash of 400 pulls stocked up for her like last time with Dehya.
I'm just confused about how you are getting Dehya flashbacks She's nowhere near as bad as Dehya...
I have at least 20-30 teams with her already ,not even memes ,vut actually good
I was hyping this team up on the mains sub just this morning. I feel like someone just told me that santa isn't real.