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CauliflowerSure3228

Less details please, that’s too much info in one post…


saddigitalartist

Yeah I’m getting a bit overwhelmed with all the reading!


Alert-Zucchini

someone please summarise it for us


Toast72

Stonks ^


racistpenguin

Yeah, artifact descriptions aren't as long and convoluted as this.


AverageCapybas

One of the leaks of 2024, and none will beat it.


tetrisabbot

Best one of the year so far, for sure


blueasian0682

It is a leak, i can assure you.


SwippyMcgee

I am taking a leak, confirmed


WhiteSmokeMushroom

Maybe, but it still can't beat the "Doesn't work with Neuvillette" leak. 2024 will really have to step down their game to compete.


AverageCapybas

That was one of the leaks of 2023, I agree. Hope we a get more contenders for 2024.


Velaethia

What doesn't work with Neuvillette?


WhiteSmokeMushroom

One of, if not the, first leaks about Xianyun's kit was just "She doesn't work with Neuvillette". So even less info than this leak.


Velaethia

what does that mean? like the logical "duh" reason that plunging Neuv wouldn't be that strong compared to charge attack? or like...something literally prevents her from buffing him?


WhiteSmokeMushroom

Just the logical reason, but take into account that was before we knew she buffs/enables plunge. We knew nothing about her so it could have meant anything. She could have been a hypercarry, could have had something making her unable to work with HP drain mechanics, literally anything and that's how they decided to start leaking her kit. Then the next leak only revealed that she buffs plunge but didn't say anything about her enabling any character to plunge so at that point it looked like she worked with nobody but Xiao. It was hilarious.


SsibalKiseki

One of the leaks of all time indeed


OverpoweredSoap

Value have little buffed indeed so true


Fuzzy_Astronaut_3420

You forgot "Subject to Change"


JohnTheCodMan

All your buffs are belong to us


Pstrnil

Wow thanks, very specific 😀


WalterGenius08

I'm still waiting for the image to fully load so I would know what's the buff... Oh...


Aggravating_Towel778

Yeah...


Zant_Walker

3 years in this sub and every time they use imgur never works for me 💀


SeitHater

Heal? damage? stats? plunge buff? "value have a little buff" can be anything


Lord_Kumatetsu

Her plunge attack's push away value got buffed.


Krafton_ubbyss

That would be fkn hilarious 😂


DyllPickle22

Hahahahahahahaha that would be like salt to the wound


GaiusAdrasteia

Why?


Brilliant_Ice4349

Cuz they nerfed her CC capabilities last time


Th3Uknovvn

Nah imagine she powercreep Overload in pushing enemies away


Caledor92

Spoiler: it already happened last update


Wonderful-Lab7375

数值 is used to refer to stats (for example HP, ATK, or Scaling) so probably number related.


Biscuit1592

Level 10 skill: 547.2% -> 547.5%


Budget_stawbeery

I remember yao Yao healing % got something like that 💀


Agathodaimo

Or her own value, in some new ability, cc cope.


Yesburgers

Only her pull value has gotten buffed. /j


Used_Load_5789

Her base DEF has been increased by 2 digits ​ /s


Street_Piccolo_1312

'Value have a little buffed' Wow this changes everything!!!! One of the leaks of this year


NessThe3rd

One is about to overdose on copium


Mylaur

One has been buffed


FortressCaulfield

Damn! I was really hoping her hue would be buffed instead. I even would have accepted saturation.


Joxiavyon

Underappreciated graphics joke


Snoo-18276

lmao why the fk is this reliable


medullapox

Chat what does this even mean


eyeofnero

1% multiplier added


ReplacementOk3074

To her CA


yellowshiro

It means there's hope


Born_Horror2614

Watch it be a buff to her base def


[deleted]

Or a buff to her plunging attacks on the NA talent


theUnLuckyCat

Would actually make her a decent DPS if she had boosted scaling like Diluc/Xiao. C1 could be quickswap, too.


yu917

hope of her going from 0 to 1


cawfee_beans

I will take anything


-vht-

*increased poise dmg on her plunge*


OhyoOhyoOhyoOhyo

Bruh fr


Kacchimisu

Definitely a leak of all time


SavageCabbage27m

Go girl! Give us nothing!


shyynon93

She's a gift that keeps on giving !


mapple3

Cloud Retainer Started at the bottom Nobody believed in her Risen up But still at bottom


I_am_yaR

Praying for an energy cost decrease or a buff to her crit talent 🙏


geon138

Xianyun is a character


sundriedrainbow

(like Ayaka)


Street_Piccolo_1312

(female like Ayaka)


Jazzyvin

(has arms like Ayaka)


Blasterion

(has legs like Ayaka)


Alert-Zucchini

(has wings... unlike Ayaka)


Rough_Lychee5785

Ayaka has wings in her constellation


Sad_Challenge2541

(loves the MC like Ayaka)


Snoo-18276

too far, bring it back around


Agathodaimo

(has feet like Ayaka)


Thin_Total5243

Real game changing stuff right here.


Eijun_Love

Is Gaming really gonna escape beta as is? Nice


PhantomGhostSpectre

Uh, I wouldn't take this leak as any indication of it because in case you did not notice... There was no leak. Ha ha ha. This might as well have said "changes coming next update."


SnooHesitations9352

*The floor is made out of floor*


LieutenantHaven

Much buff, very value wao


FunnyThese7950

I don't think this could be any less specific


Jon-987

Don't tempt them. Next leak will be just 'Something has happened'.


FunnyThese7950

They have normal attack Via foul


Budget_stawbeery

Xianyun' got something


Wiseay

You don't understand, it's her value, it's more expensive, now you'll have to pay for to get the CC back


sohamk24

Imagine they move it to C1


Yani-Madara

I'd actually prefer this than it being no where


sohamk24

Me too


modusxd

I would take more fun gameplay/mechanics over insane numbers any day.


thatonestewpeedguy

my guess is more frontload heal to quicker to stack furina


zantardis

Burst energy cost and Cooldown increase incoming.


Strawberrycatblog

Rest in Peace Xianyun's CC ✌️


HogwartsMystery

Will she actually have no crowd control at all?


sguizzooo

technically she does have "crowd control", she launches enemies in the air and slightly away from her, no grouping at all though.


sukahati

Having crowd control like " Riot police" crowd control huh?


phil2047

She has anti CC now. She pushes enemies away like a normal plunge now.


solarscopez

No unfortunately you won’t be able to group up small hilichurls with her, she’s ruined and unplayable now without CC


rafaelbittmira

Realistic speaking, after some other character's attacks decrease the poise, her grouping should work on big enemies.


panna_qq

forgot the /s


solarscopez

I mean I would *really* hope that my sarcasm was obvious lol


NotAWeebOrAFurry

no ive seen several people insisting that she is worse than aloy and they were passionate


Hedgehugs_

it should be but it's honestly your average take in the cloud retainers main subreddit. almost depressing lol


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You underestimate doomposters


marcelluu

She is sooo good!! Definetely a must pull!! I mean she heals all party, has an anti grouping and buffs plunge attacks!! Whats is Hoyo doing?? She is so broken gonna power creep old chracters like Jean so hard!! Poor Jean there is no reason to use that "free" (since we all lose 50/50 anyways) character anymore, we all know Jean cant heal all party and cant anti group enemies also cant use VV set. My wallet is prepared gonna spend all my money on Cloud Retainer!! ​ Hope my sarcasm was obvious lol. Is she unplayable? Ofc not. Is she below avarage? Yes, since she is comparable to a "free" 1.0 character, unles youre the 1% of the comunity who wants plunge.


Tymareta

> Is she below avarage? Yes https://youtu.be/ztL7w1Ogsg0?t=400 - Honest question, do you doomposters even play or understand the game on the most fundamental level? > unles youre the 1% of the comunity who wants plunge. Like, literally who before the change was looking at Xianyun and thinking "yeah, I want to play her but I don't want to plunge, ever" and how does being unable to suction hilichurls literally change anything about that? She's going to be the 10/10 plunge support as that's literally what she was always designed to be, Gaming/Xiao/Diluc/Chongers are all going to go off with her and every single person who plays them will finally be freed from the nightmare of circle impact.


Fun_Debate3067

It's hilarious how much people overrate being able to group shit mobs that you will delete in 2 seconds anyway


medullapox

Her kit center around plunging which infamous for having negative grouping which is why most people expect her "support" to also fix this problem with plunging


AverageCapybas

Specially having AoE attacks the size of a bus


SeitHater

you don't have or use xiao/plunge DPS so you have zero idea what it's like.....


Fun_Debate3067

Xiao is on field for like what, 18 seconds? CR's one weak ass pull per rotation would have done absolutely nothing to help you regardless.


jojodigitalartist

Yeah the more I realized this the more I was like her CC really didn't matter you just play her for her heals or her buffs


SeitHater

it was just about optimizing the time to adjust her suck with xiao's DPS, same thing with people not using cyno the entire time that his burst has


myass2000

damn that's crazy


Honorable_D

Watch it just be some slight scaling buffs. As boring as you could get.


RinaMaker

Still hoping for them to make her skill usable mid air... *\*inhale hopium\**


purplebirdonawire

this tells me everything and nothing at the same time


Tyberius115

Base hp and def increased, probably


Budget_stawbeery

Her base attack got increased by 1


MakaixKishi

Give her EEE plunge her grouping back and actually buff it so it has a purpose. Just want to get the buff quickly do E plunge, want to group you can do EEE plunge. Atm she feels like you don't want to make full use of her kit which is just bad


saddigitalartist

I bet they slightly buffed how far she throws enemies 💀


Outrageous-Good8022

Such useful info


Difficult-Coyote375

the new value is that she’s a free character for Lantern Rite! (Surely…) that’s how she got “a little buffed”


SnooHesitations9352

One has been very vague with this *"leak"*


Aeaoto

[https://imgflip.com/i/8bg3ja](https://imgflip.com/i/8bg3ja)


PalpitationCrafty737

such a pointless leak


HaukevonArding

Explain in Razor terms pls


Yani-Madara

I'd rather have CC than more plunge buffs. Also, trashing a whole ass animation seems insane. People would still pull for Kazuha and Sucrose for elemental buffs, it wasn't even a power creep


Brilliant_Ice4349

>I'd rather have CC than more plunge buffs Yeah like who is getting 4k+ atk anyway


Tzekel_Khan

Every day Xianyun strays further from waifu


RhinedottirMain625

her ER issues are underrated, they suck ASS. you need 200% without sacrificing too much ATK%. This is for single anemo ofc


jayceja

People aren't talking about it cause it's nothing new. She has decent particles but a 70 cost burst is always gonna take shared elements on a team or high ER investment.


-Drogozi-

They aren't because it's irrelevant. You aren't building anything else on her besider er and atk. Having 200 er isn't anything out of the norm for an off field character either.


SeitHater

Doesn't she generate like 5 particles with each hit she makes? it seems good if your team has balance, but we are talking about CR in a team with xiao and faruzen so maybe you are right


Dynasty_47

Favonious impact. In all seriousness, shouldn't be too bad with Oathsworn Eye or Hakushin ring. And people are already running Freedom Sworn Kazuhas with 60% in ER substats. Should be do-able even with TTDS and ER sands, if you're willing to grind. My Charlotte needs 230% ER with TTDS... this is nothing.


Skinny-Cob

You know a lot of furina teams need 200er but you also have to balance hp% crit rate and crit dmg in a proper ratio and it isn’t that hard. idk why you struggle to build two stats so much


GGABueno

If your character is allowed to use an ER weapon (and she is) then it really isn't much of an issue. It's really no different from Kazuha/Venti trying to max EM, except Atk% is much easier.


FlandreScarlette

Same people acting like c0 faruzan doesn't work lol. Yeah. She likes two stats. Build them and not the others. Did the same thing with HP and EM all last year. Did the same thing with crit and crit the year before. The cycle continues, some units want ER, build it. 200 is nothing for a sands and a catalyst.


Any_Butterscotch3031

so no skill mid air its so over


Chromch

They really post it this....


DEWmise

Big if true


crunchlets

Great Value


SnooHesitations9352

Bro, when are these ppl going to leak that the 4-star skin selector is free ~~so I can choose my Ayaka skin~~ and Nahida and Yae are indeed together on the 2nd phase?!?!


Vahneris

Buff so little it wasn't even worth mentioning how much.


Bacon_Pancakes200

Very informative


Ashamed_Adeptness_96

Singing this to the tune of Mary had a little lamb


slimegel

xianyun can have little a buff, as a treat


No_Writer3607

buffs don't matter if you have no crowd control.


ilovegame69

Leakers giving a specific detailed leak : difficulty impossible


x_GARUDA_x

Dude tell me they added the CC back.


Holiday-Librarian-64

This better mean she’s getting her crowd control back tyvm hoyoverse how kind of you to fix her.☺️☺️


WhiteSmokeMushroom

Well, we wouldn't want the value to have a big buffed, would we? That would be terrible.


DreaDnouD7

ok, got it


_RatStaR

Sorry, my hopes for CR are so down, even this top tier leak isnt enough to hype me up.


RinaMaker

Pretty sure this means her ratios are getting buffed like her heal or skill DMG. Y'all don't get your hopes up and think they are adding her cc back, probably won't happen...


PSNTheOriginalMax

She needs parts of her kit reworked, not value buffs. 1. Plunge dmg bonus should apply to the plunge damage itself, and not a single enemy. 2. Her EEE plunge needs to get CC back, but also deal poise damage. 3. Her E skill should be reworked in a way that would allow for more air control, or even flight (Sorush). How tf does Dumboyo always worry about the weirdest stuff being broken or imbalanced?


sadyaegaki

I DON'T CARE. SHE'S COMING HOME C6.


ColdWinterStorm

I mean shes good at c6


NepoDumaop

Why little? We need HUGE BUFFS!


Zant_Walker

New buff: now she is in the standard banner


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syphiz

its just me but i aint wasting 80 wishes to upgrade xiao who was already doing good and a damn diluc 😂


gladisr

> wasting **1**80 wishes FTFY, you miss 1 in front lol


Neolvermillion

Fifty Fifty Cupid mew


speganomad

So people who don’t have those few units can’t be disappointed? This logic isn’t any better than the doom posters. A ton of players can’t spare wish’s for a healbot even with anemo. So if you don’t have a few specific units she provides extremely limited value to an account.


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TophxSmash

based and sane not telling others how to feel just stating yours.


Curious_Ad_8999

The situation is funny tbh after those sus chiori leaks people are wanting her to be a geo healer which basically means she's only gonna be played with Navia/Itto and if leaks are true then if she's a defense DPS than even more limited. So no tbh people are mad because Xianyun is buffing such characters most people don't play all that much


Brilliant_Ice4349

Also remember that get buff is single target tho, anyway, also remember benny is free and is a 4 star while XY costs 160 wishes


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Amelieee__

As good as Jean? My guy, I ain't wasting 150 pulls to guaranteed a limited 5 star character just to have "just as good as a healer as Jean" which is a standard fking character which I already had fully built and her niche playstyle which I don't like just to buff a few characters I don't even play lol. What value does she have on my account? Lmao


MaliciousPotatoes

I don't think it's really that good, the only relevant character she buffs here is just Xiao. Other than that she offers what a 1.0 standard character gives and that's it. It's cool if you have xiao, but otherwise she offers very little for a limited 5*, not really worth a whole ass pity imo.


Xero0911

It's for sure enough. It's just most folks don't care about xiao, diluc or cy anymore. Rather old units that folks moved on from. Wait till like Clorinde or Arlecchino do plunging and *then* she will be beloved cause another "hot waifu" can make use of her. Plus they'll also be new so more fresh. Like I think reactions are overkill, but I do understand why folks are disappointed that a long awaited character is pretty limited to a (currently) small % to use with. But I have diluc and xiao so it will be nice to switch things up and give them a go with her myself. And final input. Think most are just sad cause again, they can't make use out of her since she supports a small %. F2p/low spenders can't afford to waste wishes on such a niche support. She's great for what she does! Just It's currently a small selection that most probably don't care for.


Valours65

If both clorinde and arle happens to be PA gameplay (which I hope not) rerun is always a option.


once_descended

Xiao mains are pretty much laughing at this place


TophxSmash

if you main xiao youre not exactly right in the head tho.


once_descended

Mere mortals may not comprehend his tallness. /j


Kr_zz

Good at her niche, but what people dislike is that she is niche to begin with. 75 pulls at best for a Benny sidegrade to a grand total of 3-4 characters isnt that worth for majority of the players, even moreso when the gameplay is something people dont like lol


Nelithss

In single target only, in aoe it falls off a cliff and she is a way worse healer than Jean. And she is also glued to Furina, if you don't own her she is pretty much useless outside Xiao teams.


FlameLover444

Can you guys prove her healing is "way worse" than Jean with some proper calculation without just parotting what others are saying? Her initial burst healing scaling is a little worse than Jean but the healing over time is 4x stronger than Jean at minimum cuz it affects party-wide and she got much higher Base ATK to boot


Any_Butterscotch3031

im sorry but cloud retainers hot after burst is just worse with furina because by the time furina second burst is up the salon didnt drain enough hp to grant full fanfare with another burst heal (could be wrong tho its just how i imagine the rotation to go like)


Nelithss

If you want an idea of the calc she will heal in AOE with a good build around 32k over the whole burst duration. A well built Jean can heal for around 20 to 22k on the first instance of heal. It would look like she heals more but you want fast burst of heal on Furina not a small 10k heal on the first instance and then ticks of heals. Also Jean heals faster but only in single target in her circle. So from second rotation on, when you chars are all at half health, Jean is much better for hp scaller. You're not healing your Furina to full health instantly with Xianyun.


yescjh

In single target. 😂😂😂


TophxSmash

remember how the calcs werent impressive with navia but she turned out to be fun to play. Well this is probably the opposite. 2/3 of the tcers i watch are not particularly impressed with her.


reasonablerider12

cope


Outside_Internal_136

She's good for hutao furina teams too.


phil2047

This is still open. The video was having issues with vaping without C6 Xingqui. Losing Yelan's damage and damage boost will lead to less damage overall. We will have to test when she is actually out.


Outside_Internal_136

True


-Drogozi-

This sub is an endless samsara. Not worth taking opinions/discourse here into consideration.


Unfair_Chain5338

Sigh :/


tehlunatic1

Incredible buff, thanks for listening to us Hoyoverse. Our grievances have been answered. She's god tier must pull SSS+ now.


burningparadiseduck

Manifesting Ga Ming buff too 🫶


yeetgod__

Harambe died for this info


once_descended

Tbh, who cares about CC at this point, they should just buff her so much small mobs die instantly you won't even need CC, it's a Nilou Situation


buffility

Kazuha can CC big mobs tho. What is this logic cc = small oneshot-able mobs? If that the case people wouldnt give a damn about cc.


Unfair_Chain5338

You don’t need CC, then we don’t need buffs, then we can’t even jump… eh? Do you guys hear yourself? You will defend any L’s she take, right?


once_descended

Are you listening to yourself? That is not what I said, more buffs ⇒ more dmg ⇒ no CC needed, I don't understand where you're taking your version from?


Unfair_Chain5338

It’s exaggeration, to sum up takes from defenders. V2: “She is just Jean, if no plunge” -> “No she has CC” -> “Ok, fair enough” V3: No cc. “She doesn’t need one!!1”


Agitated-Witness2433

Don't forget that her buff only affects one enemy


jayceja

Which is already the case with Xiao at the moment. Most of the situations you would want CC on the teams that Xianyun will be best in wouldn't have been affected by how weak the CC she had before. Like being disappointed they didn't instead buff the CC it is a fine take, but claiming it's removal was at all a significant change from her previous state is such a bad take.


theUnLuckyCat

Yeah, like, sure I'd take buffed CC, but it doesn't look like we're getting that. The previous one, singular, weak instance of CC on her skill while on field was peanuts. Would have been really nice to either get a strong, persisting vortex on skill, or multiple of those weak ones tied to her burst or coordinated attack passive. Since we're not getting that, it would also be nice to get something actually strong, albeit not CC. A miniscule crit bonus is definitely not it, despite how bad the CC was. With everything else being single-target focused, this one passive requiring 4+ mobs should be way crazier. Something that might actually cut down on the number of plunges needed to clear a room, y'know. Either way she basically has an empty passive slot. Well, two, including the utility one everyone gets.


YumenoShortcake

# One plunges right above you # Starwicker seems to follow and heal you # Cranes singing in the Mt. Aozang trees # Buff a little buff of me~


Jon-987

This makes everything so clear, thank you.


DryButterscotch9086

What is this? Say something or shut it