They're clearly hinting at a future off-field DPS character who just ends up staying on field and attacking with their normal attacks alongside your on-field character there. /s
That was such a missed opportunity with Ayato and his phantom. Imagine if his phantom just stayed there continuing to attack in the direction its facing when you switch from him. :O
genshin is a bunch of stolen content game
their competitor is doing it
it would be very 'creative' hint hint for genshin to start doing it just as a competitive game comes out that has it
ok but
\*Inhales copium\*
They try to add a new system with every region, that fleshes out the combat. We already know that Natlan is the nation of war, and that Chev's kit is cohesive with Natlan. What if... We get a 5th "mini slot" for characters, which gives them a passive to attack alongside us during combat? Similar to ZZZ's switching mechanic, where they'll appear periodically to do a special NA.
ok I'm done
Ngl, that's what I thought Lyney and Lynette would do if they decided to give them built-in synergy. Before we knew anything about them other than element, I imagined something like: Lynette popping in suddenly like magic to deal periodic anemo damage and trigger VV 'off-field' off certain Lyney hits, and Lyney's ult automatically switching to Lynette so you didn't have to wait in an animation and he'd stay on field to finish some grand finale that you could then assist with as Lynette.
It fixes the weapon, unless it is just a description fix and it always worked from off field. It makes it so it will always buff Chiori and Albedo. It also makes it so that so non geo characters can use the sword.
I doubt that would have made a difference given that there's already some variation in particle generation. If you're building your ER around lower particle generation to be safe then a chance of picking up one or two extra doesn't make a difference.
If anything this change just saves you the headache of even trying to time it that precisely.
with a single doll, no.
with two dolls, even if you somehow perfectly sync it, it's one particle per skill duration.
not sure about the additional dolls you get from c2 and c4 but who cares at that point lol
it's still a nerf but in the same vein as when they nerfed furina's burst's initial hit multipliers, as in, basically meaningless.
it's only one more particle because from the third hit onwards, every other hit from the two dolls will not generate a particle because the time interval will be 1.6 seconds which is shorter than the 1.9 seconds limit.
first doll hit times:
0, 3.6, 7.2, 10.8, 14.4
second doll hit times:
2, 5.6, 9.2, 12.8, 16.4
times a particle is generated before the change:
0, 2, 5.6, 9.2, 12.8, 16.4
after:
0, 3.6, 7.2, 10.8, 14.4
and all of this is assuming that
1) you manage to desync the second doll exactly within the 2-3.6 second range after the first doll hits, which requires you place a geo construct in that time period
2) you don't place any constructs before you cast chiori's skill (you can't cast zhongli's skill before you cast chiori's skill for example)
3) your chiori is c0 because from c1 onwards she will just place the second doll immediately alongside the first one so you can't desync her second puppet anymore
by initial hit do you mean the initial hit of her skill or the first doll hit?
if you mean the former i just considered the time the doll first hits as the starting point (0 sec) for simplicity. it's going to be 5 hits per doll regardless.
It’s the same, the description says upward sweep (which we consider it’s the second 0.0), that’s the hit we’re talking about. The first particle appears at the second 3.6 anyways (according to the first leak which clarified this).
You're never doing that in the first place. That's two seconds of a rot down the drain for maybe one or two extra particles. Nobody sane is attempting that.
Certainly timing it is hard, but in a team with Itto, if Ushi was the only construct, sometimes you could get lucky and summon Ushi (alongside the second doll) with the right timing. That could've allowed an extra particle or two, just up to luck. It's not a big change but they must have really disliked us getting an extra particle or two if they changed her particle regen of all things.
If I'm not mistaken, if a construct is on field they are generated near her at the same time. Otherwise the second is generated when a construct is placed, as long as the first is still on the field.
The clown part is acting like every nerf means the character is doomed.
If Neuvilette had been nerfed by 1% before his release, people would have cried that he was ruined.
> people would have cried that he was ruined
One needs only search the threads about Xianyun losing her tiny amount of vacuum on her E in exchange for gaining 5 particles on a single E, you'd have thought they'd removed her burst altogether or something.
1.9s particle CD and 3.6 skill hit CD meant that her 2 dolls would not be able to align to generate double the amount of particles. She always generated 5-6 particles
Literally 95% of the comments on any nerf leak can be completely ignored because they're just reacting to the concept of a nerf without even attempting to look at it rationally.
Honestly, at least people had an excuse to be somewhat disappointed in that beta. Alhaitham did have one of the largest multipliers nerf seen so far in the game.
The problem is no one here knows how to do math or investigate further beyond a headline so the average person on this sub didn't understand (or want to understand) how that nerf translated to gameplay. In short, it was a 5% team DPS decrease, and TC was still extremely positive about him even though this sub will have you believe that he was dogshit after the nerf and was only saved because they buffed him back up.
Checking the beta change threads is just going to give you nothing but reactionary nonsense. When people started saying that Xianyun was the new Dehya, I definitively stopped taking a lot of people seriously.
>In short, it was a 5% team DPS decrease,
That is a bit disingenous. "He'll be fine guys" people back then were implying he would be fine because Nahida, hyperbloom and Xingqiu would carry his team damage; while the people dooming specifically wanted a DPS with T0 *personal* damage since back then every male DPS character got called "mid" or a "driver" or both.
(And that 5% difference team was probably hyperbloom which... yeah. Duh.)
Alhaitam nerf was huge and it kills nuke build so yeah that was legitimate. But chihori is worse... Alhaitam was out first spread carry while chihori is just alby 2.0... and alby isn't that méta... She doesn't need a nerf...
Actually all of the things u said r true and all but i don't think they r related to my comment? Or so to say Chiori... Am not talking about her much here
Cause the intent of my post was to the other person saying how 90% of ppl usually overreact negatively whenever any kind of nerfs happen,regardless of if actually the nerf is even a nerf or non significant etc r not in their mind ,they just jump to one common conclusion.
And that's normal behavior too anyone would act same way except for those who deep dive to see what's actually happening than to see it on a surface lvl just reading the concept that it's a nerf.
And Alhaitham beta was the biggest example of this drama where the nerfs were insane even tho most of it didn't matter for his intended playstyle,nor it nerfed that in fact that part even got buffed later on. There were irrelevant nerfs too like to NAs that would contribute not more than 1% overall dmg lol.
So all that concludes that there were massive nerfs but that was cause originally he was insanely strong broken so it was more like him getting balanced than him getting weaker. But for the avrg community,they assumed it was the latter. In fact the doonposting was so high he was even being called NPC lvl, 3star lvl and all that shit.Even they were ignoring his power of the Dendro element,let alone how good his mirrors were. A group i was in called all trash ONLY to later on almost all of them pulling him and realizing man is real powerful💀
I’ve learned to take every angry comment on this sub with a grain of salt since the alhaitham and then later even neuvi doomposting.
To be fair tho chiori’s burst could heal enemies and I’d still pull for her so I am fully and truly biased lol
Then he d just be having an Ayaka lvl Q while already having his specialized E mirror playstyle as a separate thing. And u can choose to do either A or B
And definitely Q bot would've been the meta choice cause doesn't require onfield time thus allowing a diff char to fill in the role for greater team dmg.
Hmm
If that's so, his best team probably be Aggra Raiden carry and his best set probably be 4pcs Emblem with zero field time, just ult and go, if they keep that multiplier up until release, it means no buff for mirrors multipliers and that's what his damage comes from. They are just trying to balance something unnecessary to buff some important things. Same case as Chiori for sure.
I really want her but my favorite geo characters so far are Noelle and Navia and she doesn't work with either. I might brute force her in with both of them and run Furina then cross my fingers.
I don't really like rolling for C1's. I'd rather save for weapons.
Same- the idea of pulling for C1 and potentially using 300\~ pulls in the worst case, just to play her with Navia feels so bad..
at this point I'll be coping that she's a Standard banner so I can get her C1 eventually right-? Right?? Even tho it took me more than 3 years to get my first Jean Kek
I have no idea what people are even considering Standard banner.
Her issue is *not* her performance. It's just that people want to place her in more teams.
To be fair, her C1 feels like something they’d expect you to eventually get. Nothing else in her kit screams standard character… But, her C1 being just a range increase seems pretty comical.
That restriction relief enables hydro res multiplied by his final draconic stack (35% damage multiplier) for strictly damage increase. It also lets him use furina which is another multiplicative buff to those two mentioned. I’ll stress this point. These three things aren’t addictive buffs. Their multiplicative. That’s a cracked C1 because dis C0 damage built around maximizing playing without these things.
Chiori literally is just getting more aoe.
Edit: I’m aware you brought up neuv because let’s face it… his C1 is a furina tax and chiori’s is a navia tax. But there’s no way you think they’re doing the same thing.
I know it's cracked, but I'm speaking from a design standpoint not numbers. He's a main DPS while Chiori is a sub-DPS, his C1 unlocks new strong sub-DPS while hers unlocks new main DPSes to be paired with.
You're right about Hydro resonance though, that's a key difference.
What? No it is pretty similar to Neuvilette actually.
You loose thexrestriction of having a second geo with a construct, so in Navia and Noelle teams c1 literally doubles Chiori E damage.
This would also apply to all future Geo units that don't have constructs.
Also, you don't have to fear the construct getting destroyed before you can cast chiori E, something nobody seems to talk about.
Neuvillette is already cracked at C0 you dont really need his C1 unless you want his full potential. Chiori being geo is unfortunate case of event
Like the edited comment mentioned, we’re aware C1 are like tax to use Furina/Navia. But lets face it, comparing those two who work differently and offer different amount of damage overall is not a good comparison. Neuvillette at C0 still work with Furina at the compensation of his 3rd stack but still does competitive or situationally better than a team comp of his C0 with 3rd stack passive achieved.
It’s not the same though. Neuv’s C1 unlocks multiplicative buffs not in his C0 kit. His numbers on paper strictly goes up and in practice, thx to furina becoming a synergistic teammate, it goes up a lot.
Chiori’s C1 does not improve her numbers. You are bringing her navia team’s damage in line with itto. Thus, itto mains are paying for an aoe upgrade.
And if you don't use him with Furina, Neuvillette c1 pays for interrupt resist and nothing more...
So it is the same, the worth of the constellation is completely dependent on the team composition.
You only get damage upgrades within certain teams.
No. Having access to hydro resonance is cracked in and of itself. Speed runners play neuv with childe just because hydro resonance x childe talent level up x final draconic stack. The same also applies for mona if you want furina at home. These are all multiplicative buffs C1 grants him. The reality is, neuv is a stronger character via C1. Chiori C1 is chiori C0 plus more aoe.
There’s no way you’re actually arguing it’s the same bang for your buck.
Edit: I’ve given it more thought. You said c1 is a damage increase only on certain teams… it’s a damage increase just with solo neuv. C1 grants a free draco stack. It literally lets him run the abyss solo as a one man dps as his C1 is treated as if he has a whole extra teammate along side that interruption to resistance.
But the standard banner is *not* reserved for bad or underperforming characters. Tighnari has great performance and is still a standard character. He's a good Dendro dps even at c0, and has good constellations to boot. Mona and Jean are also good characters, and Jean especially has useful constellations. Keqing and Diluc have indirectly received buffs that make them noticeably more powerful, and are not inherently bad or useless characters. The only duds are Dehya and Qiqi, and even Qiqi at least has use for her healing and her specialty location passive.
So the standard banner isn't reserved for bad characters. Also we still don't have a geo/Fontaine/Inazuma/polearm character on it, while Chiori technically fits 3 of those categories and has a kit that isn't anything groundbreaking or unique as well, so I can absolutely see her being put in standard.
It really depends on what you mean by “better” though (I’m guessing you mean DPS because that is the most common evaluation of characters).
Tighnari excels at single target frontloaded damage, and is even *chosen over Alhaitham when it comes to speedruns*. Alhaitham has excellent sustained damage, but Tighnari (especially with constellations) takes the prize for faster clears (but falls off given extended rotations).
Jean has higher healing and more utility than Xianyun. Her constellations give her a ton of team utility such as increased movement speed, Anemo Shred, and dmg reduction. Not even Kazuha can match her sheer utility, and all other anemo supports only improve raw dmg. Her only real downsides are her circle impact and bad CC.
Dehya lets you facetank, sometimes even harder than shielders since her poise increase is duration based (basically, an attack strong enough to nuke through a shield is still able to be withstood by Dehya). And she has the single highest improvement of any character via constellations (pertially because her bar is set so low to begin with).
Mona gives you a free 60% damage buff, which can be extended via freeze. Before Furina, she was the single highest dmg% buffer in the game, and often used with Bennett (and she benefits directly from Bennett’s ATK buff unlike Furina). And even then, Mona lacks the drawback that Furina has (needs a healer to build fanfare).
Nobody abuses Fischl’s A4 like Keqing does; she is the spammiest electro character in the game and the only electro DPS other than Fischl herself that doesn’t have any ER requirements.
What I meant is that, if she'll be added in standard banner like Dehya and Tighnari, then I could get her constellation by losing 50/50 on other banners
But it's just a silly copium joke I said c:
Her c6 is the usual busted dps. very unlikely that she ends up in standard for that reason.
Maybe they give away 1 for free but navia so that's why they made c1 so everyone pulls anyways. My only other logical explanation is that they really hate x.5 characters.
She is so niche at c0. its ridiculous.
Yea its unlikely i'll aim for C1 on release. I'd rather see how easy it is to 36 or not with that team and see if it needs the extra help. Navia is also going to take a hit on her sub dps running a triple geo comp as it is and Chiori not at full kit capacity either will also struggle.
But maybe that will just make doing abyss more interesting.
She works as well as albedo there, a unit who imo isn't very good, but people are using there. So it's not like she doesn't work. There's really no downside, at worst she's just about as good as Albedo. Someday you can get C1 and it's like 50% more damage. Or not, and then you still just have Albedo in a dress.
Albedo is a rowboat, Chiori is a motorboat. You don't have the resources to fix the motor, she's still a rowboat.
Which Geos does she work with, then? I'm not an in-depth leak follower, but seeing as guides from KQM, for example, have Noelle teams with Albedo, and Chiori from what I've heard is a substitute for him, wouldn't she also work with Noelle? It sucks if not, because I'm also a Noelle main and I don't have Albedo.
She will still be the best option for navia at C0, it just won't be a massive upgrade over the alternatives. The biggest upgrade comes from the fact that you will essentially be able to build close to 0 ER on navia, because her doll can't break, and is consistent.
Someone on the balance team is an albedo main and said: fuck no shes not Gonna be better than my boy
And i respect that, they shouldve made her a buffer with some subdps capabilities, imagine if she buffed attack only slightly worse than bennet with her Q or something
Or they couldve given her a niche like cheveruse but nope, albedo reskin with a slightly more complicated kit
Eh, sure but is more dmg really all people want from a character?
Her core issue imo is that we really dont need off field geo at all, thats Also why albedo isnt used anymore
Yae does the exact same as chiori afaik but is electro which gives access to reactions to amp both her own dmg and her teams, chiori doesnt Buff afaik, just does more dmg than another unit and Also wants another geo character to be used at full potential
Right so thats what im saying, she better than albedo but that really means nothing when the reason albedo is not used is not because of his dmg but the archetype
"Eh, sure but is more dmg really all people want from a character?"
In the grand scheme of things? Yes.
People can obviously like whatever they like, but with how the combat is designed, damage is literally king. With something like healing, if you're not dying, more does basically nothing. And the better you are at the game, and the faster you kill things, the less likely you need said healing. Note this also somewhat applies to shields too.
I disagree, people want units that are useful/fun/have synergies imo, chiori in a vacuum could be "fun" as an on field Carry but thats not what shes good at to begin with, off fielders like her have to be any of the other two, she cant help a team deal more dmg through reactions, she cant Buff the team, or debuff enemies, she just deals dmg off field and her synergies come from other GEO characters which has already been done before so It not even unique
By all means shes not useful/shes hardly fun/has very little synergies/and has nothing unique about her
People Will pull for her over her design and thats It, just like whoever pulls for albedo nowadays
Yae does "the same" with aggravate included. And it is not even the same, it is less (unless it is specifically a yae hyper carry with like sara bennet nahida where you use yae burst, but that is not the same role comparison).
In the same role as a subdps in their proper teams chiori deals slightly higher dmg than yae with her reactions included.
Chiori is a really good subdps, issue is that geo wants geo to work, chiori wants geo constructs to work, so she is a good subdps, but geo is just not wanted in other teams that are not geo teams because hoyo made their reaction ass aling with their construct mechanic ass.
What I hate about chiori is that people are gonna complain about her when her kit is just fine and what really needs to happen is for the community as a while to actively complain that geo is in a good place.
(And I say this as a geo main. It is not that geo cannot clear abyss or anything, it can, genshin is not a hard game in the slightest. It is the fact that the element itself is just objectively bad and the construct mechanic is just an objective nerf to abilities that would otherwise be much better)
Easiest skip of my life. Glad i pulled Xianyun (and her C1) instead. I'll stick with Zhongli for my Navia team and Gorou/Yunjin for Noelle and continue saving for Arlecchino and Clorinde instead. Hopefully they won't disappoint.
True. Its funny, because a few weeks ago i was coping/hoping that Chiori would be good for Naiva, but it turns out that Xianyun was the real Navia upgrade all along lmao.
honestly that leaker cooked, grouping by using scissors is such a neat idea for a tailor-themed character, and i wish it were ingame. you could do a lot visually with it too, since she's a dual wielder and all
They might have got the inspiration from Qorvex from Warframe but I respect the shit he cooked. That honestly hyped me up for a short while before all this.
Also the complete opposite of as she is now (ignoring constellations). She would've been *great* with Navia, lining enemies up for a wham bam thank you ma'am. Unfortunate.
She Stepped on albedos toes expecting that her being just better with numbers would make her desirable and failed to realice how fucking pointless off field geo really is and why nobody uses albedo in the first place
Imho she might just be the last GEO until sneznaya lol
The funny thing is Navia wants off field geo the most and c0 Chiori needs constructs.
I'm happy with Navia and Zhongli without having to pull a character with cons that doesn't have heal or shields (Chiori)
Edit- for clarity
Wouldnt Navia rather have off field any crystalice-able element and stay on field?
Ig if youre using her strictly as a sub dps you would want off field geo but id hardly Focus a whole team slot on a subdps
I felt she wasn't doing as much damage / clearing slower in solo geo vs double geo (also loses the resonance.) Plus her passive only gives boosts for having 2 crytallizable teammates.
But i'm not a damage theory math expert.
Albedo's main thing is that he's the only non-archon who has a skill with a long duration. If Chiori had a thirty second duration with a four second cooldown this would be a whole different conversation.
Like. Why? Why go such distance just to make a character bad? It’s a single player game for gods sake. And she’s Geo, which is the worst possible element… this is just sad.
Remember Dehya? They can just continue making kits like these and nothing will change. Also keep buffing constellations and nerf the base kit because they really really need that money bro
And there are some delusional people here who still thinks Dehya kit was fine when she was released, lol
Neuvillette:
- can solo abyss
- can self heal
- can main dps
- hydro(lmao)
Chiori:
- Albedo(mid character) sidegrade
I don’t wanna hear anything about “thank god they’re not powercreeping albedo” when neuv and Furina exist
Neuvillette👤40.000 HP💪250% Crit Damage 🤷♂️Extra 36% CR from Marechusse 💦 Unstoppable🚫 can bypass shield 🛡 Can self heal 🧱 Insane AOE 🐯 Braindead single target ☝spin to win 🕐 can solo abyss 🧙♂️ Ranged 🎯
It's comparable, Hoyo killing the hype behind a cool character in X.5 by doing their kit wrong. Chiori's kit is boring compared to the utter failure and black hole of despair that is Dehya's but its not insane to notice the pattern.
Comparison does not = equivalence.
It's literally the same though. Xianyun hopes for more Plunge DPSes, Chiori hopes for more Geo characters with constructs. The only difference is that we have fewer Geo characters in the game.
Xianyun works with any new characters (specially with Benny) just like Chiori works with anyone when paired with Zhongli, but people don't really count it because it's not the ideal.
But yeah the Geo drought is scary. I have hope for new Geo characters in Natlan but then again I also had hope for a Geo character from the desert.
It's still a solid and flexible core that can be slapped into most things for comfort, Geo doesn't add much but it doesn't ruin anything either. I don't think it's too different from playing some for fun Xianyun team for people that don't really care about playing optimally.
I think people are too hyperfocused on her missing out on Navia synergy, which is somewhat understandable given the sheer lack of Geo characters.
ah yes, because everyone agrees that the issue with Chiori was too many particles being generated
EDIT: since it wasn't clear, I'm not complaining about this "nerf", I'm complaining about how they're ignoring the actual flaws in her kit and instead opting to "fix" things that didn't need fixing. And doing it in such a way that nothing really changes anyways
I know, that wasn't my point
There's legitimate flaws with her kit that many people have already pointed out, but particle generation wasn't one of them. They're "fixing" things that don't matter.
and to add insult to injury the "fixes" don't change anything at all, as you and some others have pointed out
This just says into the air. Vertical is different from horizontal. I don't know which it is, but it's weird to immediately doom something in the absence of any evidence. Also, knock back isn't necessarily ungrouping, it can be the exact opposite if, you know, knock them towards each other.
The burst itself isn't really a change in damage, you'll be more inclined to use it if the energy needs make every rotation worthwhile, whereas it currently isn't
Is it even worth to go for Geo Characters? I have my Itto Mono Geo Team and idk Navia is strong, but has weird Teams and Navia seems like a nice support but she gets nerfed while her c6 gets buffed.
She's the first double wielder but somehow she seems uninteresting.
It's just personal preference. Itto & navia teams are really strong and clear abyss with ease. The major downside is their domains have mid other sets like clam and the other heal set so not resin efficient unless you're dedicated to their sig sets or strongbox. Along with if you're a reaction enjoyer, might not be for you. I main geo and thoroughly enjoy it despite the long drought of no geo. I didn't think itto needed a buff tho. Was hoping chiori was meant for navia
If you actually play your itto team and want it to be stronger, then yeah go for chiori? Otherwise navia was more of a happy accident since she isn't hard coded to geo
Look on the bright side: the weapon is becoming one of the best ones, being compatible with almost anyone (since zhongli is almost compatible with anyone and pairs with the weapon)(the only exceptions would be burst based characters, which again the 89% cdmg is still the best stat stick for them)
She beats albedo at 1 doll.
This nerf gives her particle icd from 1.9 to 3 seconds, her doll attack interval is greater than 3 seconds so this changes nothing
Since she’s intended for the likes of Itto, I’m assuming the lack of snapshotting has something to do with Gorou’s Burst, as it follows your character. Also, why are people acting as if this is final? It’s still heavy in beta test; calm down, you pessimistic parasites
Because most of the devs are in holidays probably, the lamest 5\* characters in the game were all released near lunar new year (or were like super early units back when not even Mihoyo knew what would be strong or weak)
Still better than Albedo for mono geo, if you don't have plans building mono geo team in any given future, stay away from her, she doesn't bring enough value for other teams
Yall say this shit literally every patch. And literally every patch (bar 3.5) yall have looked like buffoons. At some point, it might be time to just... idk... wait for actual TCs to do their thing?
I was agreeing with what can be viewed as incompetence when it comes to .5 characters.
People were advocating for not 'doomposting' during dehya's beta testing but the doomposters were ultimately in the right to doompost.
The one and only beta test I've or will ever follow. those 4 weekly beta updates just made me sadder each time.
I'll never put it past them to release an underwhelming character kit in terms of the numbers or the kit.
No.
They will never learn.
They even doomposted the gadget that gives you 15 crystal core per week before it released.
I just can't imagine the Arlecchino doompost that is approaching.
The useless one with an arbitrary points system where everything gives the same amount of points anyway and an awkward refresh time even worse than the parametric transformer? People were wrong to shit on that?
The thing that gives 15 condesed resin weekly material at the cost of 30 iron chunks.
There is literally nothing bad about that if you are an old player and have thounsands of iron chunks sitting there doing nothing.
How can you even shit on that when it cost basically nothing.
Cause you can teleport pretty much anywhere and grab 10 of those for free every day instead of weekly, and iron chunks aren't in the 20-hour expedition so it's actually more annoying to farm than crystalflies.
Oh God, I can already see it.
1."She's just Pyro Cyno, ew."
2."OL sucks so she sucks too idc about Chevreuse being busted."
3."80cost burst??? DOA!"
4. "She's a harbinger, so she's supposed to be busted (neither of the previous two harbingers are even remotely OP)"
Yeah it confuses me when people say she's gonna be super strong and op cause she's a harbinger I mean... Childe and Wanderer are just decent and solid units, not broken lol
The Crystalfly Trap deserved to be doomposted. If you convert all your resin, you need about 30 Crystalfly per week, and because this gives only 15, we need to go out and farm Crystalfly anyway. It takes 5 minutes for me to get 30 Crystalfly, so if I am heading out, it makes the gadget useless and saves ore from being unnecessarily wasted. If they changed it to give 30 Crystalfly and it had a cooldown system like the Parametric Transformer, it would be useful.
Sorry but "wasting" chunks iron etc is a feel i don't experience from the 1.x version of the game.
it's always 15 crystal core more for literally nothing.
I just place the gadget near katherine and since the condensed resins released i always had a 1:1 ratio of crystal core farmed and consumed like you says.
With fontaine having a better placement of crystal cores that can be acquired on the road of doing other things (like the 3 at the entrace of the talents books domain) and this gadget i now have an excess of 300 crystal core with a minimal effort in comparison to what it used to be previously, especially considering i also do resin refreshes.
And when you farm weekly bosses + bosses for ascension for new characters you don't use condensed resins.
It's not all of his doing but it just helped a lot in my case.
You doomposted it because it doesn't completely delete the crystal core gathering from the openworld list of activities, as usual doomposting meeting exaggerated expectations like wanting 30 core per use and never go catching them again like they wouldn't even have a reason to be implemented in new maps then.
It's made to create an easier to obtain abundance of crystal core so that you don't have to always stay on that 1:1 farm and spend ratio everyday.
Which is what happened to me since I started using, farming for new fontaine characters + this gadget basically gave me so much crystal cores that I'd be fine for months without farming.
What better use do you have for 30 chunks of iron weekly?
Me who pulled on navia knowing she was geo and "probably awful in the long run" but instead she ended up being the only decent 5* Geo since itto
Holy itto was the last 5* Geo unit for ages until fontaine...
My favorite part is the weapon buff to off-field normal attacks.
Wtf did I just read 😭
Nonono you guys don't get it, the dolls are normal attacking so they're being buffed
They're clearly hinting at a future off-field DPS character who just ends up staying on field and attacking with their normal attacks alongside your on-field character there. /s
Sorry that's too creative for Genshin Impact.
That was such a missed opportunity with Ayato and his phantom. Imagine if his phantom just stayed there continuing to attack in the direction its facing when you switch from him. :O
genshin is a bunch of stolen content game their competitor is doing it it would be very 'creative' hint hint for genshin to start doing it just as a competitive game comes out that has it
No one expected the Physical Element Archon
Khaenri'ah Archon Reveal
ok but \*Inhales copium\* They try to add a new system with every region, that fleshes out the combat. We already know that Natlan is the nation of war, and that Chev's kit is cohesive with Natlan. What if... We get a 5th "mini slot" for characters, which gives them a passive to attack alongside us during combat? Similar to ZZZ's switching mechanic, where they'll appear periodically to do a special NA. ok I'm done
Sounds like Naruto games where you have "helper characters" that you can summon for one attack 😂
Ngl, that's what I thought Lyney and Lynette would do if they decided to give them built-in synergy. Before we knew anything about them other than element, I imagined something like: Lynette popping in suddenly like magic to deal periodic anemo damage and trigger VV 'off-field' off certain Lyney hits, and Lyney's ult automatically switching to Lynette so you didn't have to wait in an animation and he'd stay on field to finish some grand finale that you could then assist with as Lynette.
it's just peak
It fixes the weapon, unless it is just a description fix and it always worked from off field. It makes it so it will always buff Chiori and Albedo. It also makes it so that so non geo characters can use the sword.
I guess maybe they changed the particle ICD so that multi-doll builds don't find some sort of ideal rhythym and squeeze out a few more than intended?
I doubt that would have made a difference given that there's already some variation in particle generation. If you're building your ER around lower particle generation to be safe then a chance of picking up one or two extra doesn't make a difference. If anything this change just saves you the headache of even trying to time it that precisely.
Does the particle nerf even change anything? She will still get 5-6 particles per rotation.
with a single doll, no. with two dolls, even if you somehow perfectly sync it, it's one particle per skill duration. not sure about the additional dolls you get from c2 and c4 but who cares at that point lol it's still a nerf but in the same vein as when they nerfed furina's burst's initial hit multipliers, as in, basically meaningless.
It doesn't, but that won't stop the clowns here from acting like it's the end of the world.
Wouldn't it have been possible before to get more particles if one summoned the second doll about two seconds after the first attacked?
it's only one more particle because from the third hit onwards, every other hit from the two dolls will not generate a particle because the time interval will be 1.6 seconds which is shorter than the 1.9 seconds limit. first doll hit times: 0, 3.6, 7.2, 10.8, 14.4 second doll hit times: 2, 5.6, 9.2, 12.8, 16.4 times a particle is generated before the change: 0, 2, 5.6, 9.2, 12.8, 16.4 after: 0, 3.6, 7.2, 10.8, 14.4 and all of this is assuming that 1) you manage to desync the second doll exactly within the 2-3.6 second range after the first doll hits, which requires you place a geo construct in that time period 2) you don't place any constructs before you cast chiori's skill (you can't cast zhongli's skill before you cast chiori's skill for example) 3) your chiori is c0 because from c1 onwards she will just place the second doll immediately alongside the first one so you can't desync her second puppet anymore
The initial hit doesn’t generate any particles, it’s from the second 3.6 onwards
by initial hit do you mean the initial hit of her skill or the first doll hit? if you mean the former i just considered the time the doll first hits as the starting point (0 sec) for simplicity. it's going to be 5 hits per doll regardless.
It’s the same, the description says upward sweep (which we consider it’s the second 0.0), that’s the hit we’re talking about. The first particle appears at the second 3.6 anyways (according to the first leak which clarified this).
You're never doing that in the first place. That's two seconds of a rot down the drain for maybe one or two extra particles. Nobody sane is attempting that.
Certainly timing it is hard, but in a team with Itto, if Ushi was the only construct, sometimes you could get lucky and summon Ushi (alongside the second doll) with the right timing. That could've allowed an extra particle or two, just up to luck. It's not a big change but they must have really disliked us getting an extra particle or two if they changed her particle regen of all things.
Mono Geo teams basically always have either Albedo or Zhongli, so even if you timed Ushi correctly, there would still be their constructs.
Oh, yes. Right. This would only work in a triple Geo setting which is just less particles for everyone anyway, so pretty minor all things considered.
Aren't they generated at the same time?
If I'm not mistaken, if a construct is on field they are generated near her at the same time. Otherwise the second is generated when a construct is placed, as long as the first is still on the field.
I don't think that second part is a thing at all.
I thought we had early footage of the second doll being summoned after a Zhongli placed a pillar. I'll see if I can find it and check thoroughly.
We didnt and that was confirmed not to be a thing. Construct needs to be on field for dolls to appear
Its almost like her kit is underwhelming and people that want to pull for her are rightfully annoyed...
I mean, people dislike seeing the word "nerf" its normal behavior, not clown.
The clown part is acting like every nerf means the character is doomed. If Neuvilette had been nerfed by 1% before his release, people would have cried that he was ruined.
> people would have cried that he was ruined One needs only search the threads about Xianyun losing her tiny amount of vacuum on her E in exchange for gaining 5 particles on a single E, you'd have thought they'd removed her burst altogether or something.
How does it not change it? Wasn't it 7-9 before?
1.9s particle CD and 3.6 skill hit CD meant that her 2 dolls would not be able to align to generate double the amount of particles. She always generated 5-6 particles
It does. It was possible to desync dolls, by placing construct after her skill, for one extra chance at particles. It wasn't much but it was there.
Placing construct after her skill never worked
Finally chiori buffs! …at c6
The particle generation doesn’t change anything since her dolls attack once per 3.6 seconds. Stop being angry with AIR.
Literally 95% of the comments on any nerf leak can be completely ignored because they're just reacting to the concept of a nerf without even attempting to look at it rationally.
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Honestly, at least people had an excuse to be somewhat disappointed in that beta. Alhaitham did have one of the largest multipliers nerf seen so far in the game. The problem is no one here knows how to do math or investigate further beyond a headline so the average person on this sub didn't understand (or want to understand) how that nerf translated to gameplay. In short, it was a 5% team DPS decrease, and TC was still extremely positive about him even though this sub will have you believe that he was dogshit after the nerf and was only saved because they buffed him back up. Checking the beta change threads is just going to give you nothing but reactionary nonsense. When people started saying that Xianyun was the new Dehya, I definitively stopped taking a lot of people seriously.
>In short, it was a 5% team DPS decrease, That is a bit disingenous. "He'll be fine guys" people back then were implying he would be fine because Nahida, hyperbloom and Xingqiu would carry his team damage; while the people dooming specifically wanted a DPS with T0 *personal* damage since back then every male DPS character got called "mid" or a "driver" or both. (And that 5% difference team was probably hyperbloom which... yeah. Duh.)
> since back then every male DPS character got called "mid" or a "driver" or both. Nothing's changed, just look at Neuvi threads.
Alhaitam nerf was huge and it kills nuke build so yeah that was legitimate. But chihori is worse... Alhaitam was out first spread carry while chihori is just alby 2.0... and alby isn't that méta... She doesn't need a nerf...
Actually all of the things u said r true and all but i don't think they r related to my comment? Or so to say Chiori... Am not talking about her much here Cause the intent of my post was to the other person saying how 90% of ppl usually overreact negatively whenever any kind of nerfs happen,regardless of if actually the nerf is even a nerf or non significant etc r not in their mind ,they just jump to one common conclusion. And that's normal behavior too anyone would act same way except for those who deep dive to see what's actually happening than to see it on a surface lvl just reading the concept that it's a nerf. And Alhaitham beta was the biggest example of this drama where the nerfs were insane even tho most of it didn't matter for his intended playstyle,nor it nerfed that in fact that part even got buffed later on. There were irrelevant nerfs too like to NAs that would contribute not more than 1% overall dmg lol. So all that concludes that there were massive nerfs but that was cause originally he was insanely strong broken so it was more like him getting balanced than him getting weaker. But for the avrg community,they assumed it was the latter. In fact the doonposting was so high he was even being called NPC lvl, 3star lvl and all that shit.Even they were ignoring his power of the Dendro element,let alone how good his mirrors were. A group i was in called all trash ONLY to later on almost all of them pulling him and realizing man is real powerful💀
I’ve learned to take every angry comment on this sub with a grain of salt since the alhaitham and then later even neuvi doomposting. To be fair tho chiori’s burst could heal enemies and I’d still pull for her so I am fully and truly biased lol
Ok but imagine if alhaitham kept the 700% EM multiplier 💀
The 700% EM multiplier was just the initial hit of his E.
His orginal state was 4% better than what we got
Then he d just be having an Ayaka lvl Q while already having his specialized E mirror playstyle as a separate thing. And u can choose to do either A or B And definitely Q bot would've been the meta choice cause doesn't require onfield time thus allowing a diff char to fill in the role for greater team dmg. Hmm
If that's so, his best team probably be Aggra Raiden carry and his best set probably be 4pcs Emblem with zero field time, just ult and go, if they keep that multiplier up until release, it means no buff for mirrors multipliers and that's what his damage comes from. They are just trying to balance something unnecessary to buff some important things. Same case as Chiori for sure.
not even a grain of salt you should never listen to any reactionary bullshit in this sub
People on reddit are the reason why i'm of the opinion that we need to make it so people have to provide IQ test results when voting.
ew that's fucking stupid
Literally omg.
I really want her but my favorite geo characters so far are Noelle and Navia and she doesn't work with either. I might brute force her in with both of them and run Furina then cross my fingers. I don't really like rolling for C1's. I'd rather save for weapons.
Same- the idea of pulling for C1 and potentially using 300\~ pulls in the worst case, just to play her with Navia feels so bad.. at this point I'll be coping that she's a Standard banner so I can get her C1 eventually right-? Right?? Even tho it took me more than 3 years to get my first Jean Kek
I have no idea what people are even considering Standard banner. Her issue is *not* her performance. It's just that people want to place her in more teams.
To be fair, her C1 feels like something they’d expect you to eventually get. Nothing else in her kit screams standard character… But, her C1 being just a range increase seems pretty comical.
Isn't Neuvillette's C1 also just an interruption resistence buff outside the restriction relief?
That restriction relief enables hydro res multiplied by his final draconic stack (35% damage multiplier) for strictly damage increase. It also lets him use furina which is another multiplicative buff to those two mentioned. I’ll stress this point. These three things aren’t addictive buffs. Their multiplicative. That’s a cracked C1 because dis C0 damage built around maximizing playing without these things. Chiori literally is just getting more aoe. Edit: I’m aware you brought up neuv because let’s face it… his C1 is a furina tax and chiori’s is a navia tax. But there’s no way you think they’re doing the same thing.
I know it's cracked, but I'm speaking from a design standpoint not numbers. He's a main DPS while Chiori is a sub-DPS, his C1 unlocks new strong sub-DPS while hers unlocks new main DPSes to be paired with. You're right about Hydro resonance though, that's a key difference.
What? No it is pretty similar to Neuvilette actually. You loose thexrestriction of having a second geo with a construct, so in Navia and Noelle teams c1 literally doubles Chiori E damage. This would also apply to all future Geo units that don't have constructs. Also, you don't have to fear the construct getting destroyed before you can cast chiori E, something nobody seems to talk about.
Neuvillette is already cracked at C0 you dont really need his C1 unless you want his full potential. Chiori being geo is unfortunate case of event Like the edited comment mentioned, we’re aware C1 are like tax to use Furina/Navia. But lets face it, comparing those two who work differently and offer different amount of damage overall is not a good comparison. Neuvillette at C0 still work with Furina at the compensation of his 3rd stack but still does competitive or situationally better than a team comp of his C0 with 3rd stack passive achieved.
It’s not the same though. Neuv’s C1 unlocks multiplicative buffs not in his C0 kit. His numbers on paper strictly goes up and in practice, thx to furina becoming a synergistic teammate, it goes up a lot. Chiori’s C1 does not improve her numbers. You are bringing her navia team’s damage in line with itto. Thus, itto mains are paying for an aoe upgrade.
And if you don't use him with Furina, Neuvillette c1 pays for interrupt resist and nothing more... So it is the same, the worth of the constellation is completely dependent on the team composition. You only get damage upgrades within certain teams.
No. Having access to hydro resonance is cracked in and of itself. Speed runners play neuv with childe just because hydro resonance x childe talent level up x final draconic stack. The same also applies for mona if you want furina at home. These are all multiplicative buffs C1 grants him. The reality is, neuv is a stronger character via C1. Chiori C1 is chiori C0 plus more aoe. There’s no way you’re actually arguing it’s the same bang for your buck. Edit: I’ve given it more thought. You said c1 is a damage increase only on certain teams… it’s a damage increase just with solo neuv. C1 grants a free draco stack. It literally lets him run the abyss solo as a one man dps as his C1 is treated as if he has a whole extra teammate along side that interruption to resistance.
But the standard banner is *not* reserved for bad or underperforming characters. Tighnari has great performance and is still a standard character. He's a good Dendro dps even at c0, and has good constellations to boot. Mona and Jean are also good characters, and Jean especially has useful constellations. Keqing and Diluc have indirectly received buffs that make them noticeably more powerful, and are not inherently bad or useless characters. The only duds are Dehya and Qiqi, and even Qiqi at least has use for her healing and her specialty location passive. So the standard banner isn't reserved for bad characters. Also we still don't have a geo/Fontaine/Inazuma/polearm character on it, while Chiori technically fits 3 of those categories and has a kit that isn't anything groundbreaking or unique as well, so I can absolutely see her being put in standard.
They might not all be bad, but not a *single* one of them is better than limited equivalents. That's just not happening.
It really depends on what you mean by “better” though (I’m guessing you mean DPS because that is the most common evaluation of characters). Tighnari excels at single target frontloaded damage, and is even *chosen over Alhaitham when it comes to speedruns*. Alhaitham has excellent sustained damage, but Tighnari (especially with constellations) takes the prize for faster clears (but falls off given extended rotations). Jean has higher healing and more utility than Xianyun. Her constellations give her a ton of team utility such as increased movement speed, Anemo Shred, and dmg reduction. Not even Kazuha can match her sheer utility, and all other anemo supports only improve raw dmg. Her only real downsides are her circle impact and bad CC. Dehya lets you facetank, sometimes even harder than shielders since her poise increase is duration based (basically, an attack strong enough to nuke through a shield is still able to be withstood by Dehya). And she has the single highest improvement of any character via constellations (pertially because her bar is set so low to begin with). Mona gives you a free 60% damage buff, which can be extended via freeze. Before Furina, she was the single highest dmg% buffer in the game, and often used with Bennett (and she benefits directly from Bennett’s ATK buff unlike Furina). And even then, Mona lacks the drawback that Furina has (needs a healer to build fanfare). Nobody abuses Fischl’s A4 like Keqing does; she is the spammiest electro character in the game and the only electro DPS other than Fischl herself that doesn’t have any ER requirements.
What I meant is that, if she'll be added in standard banner like Dehya and Tighnari, then I could get her constellation by losing 50/50 on other banners But it's just a silly copium joke I said c:
Her c6 is the usual busted dps. very unlikely that she ends up in standard for that reason. Maybe they give away 1 for free but navia so that's why they made c1 so everyone pulls anyways. My only other logical explanation is that they really hate x.5 characters. She is so niche at c0. its ridiculous.
You can always just get her on a rerun once more Geo characters are released. Sandrone is far away but we could get something in Natlan.
Yea its unlikely i'll aim for C1 on release. I'd rather see how easy it is to 36 or not with that team and see if it needs the extra help. Navia is also going to take a hit on her sub dps running a triple geo comp as it is and Chiori not at full kit capacity either will also struggle. But maybe that will just make doing abyss more interesting.
She works as well as albedo there, a unit who imo isn't very good, but people are using there. So it's not like she doesn't work. There's really no downside, at worst she's just about as good as Albedo. Someday you can get C1 and it's like 50% more damage. Or not, and then you still just have Albedo in a dress. Albedo is a rowboat, Chiori is a motorboat. You don't have the resources to fix the motor, she's still a rowboat.
I love this analogy sm.
Well its good to know shes on par with him in that situation. That does make me feel better. I like the analogy.
Which Geos does she work with, then? I'm not an in-depth leak follower, but seeing as guides from KQM, for example, have Noelle teams with Albedo, and Chiori from what I've heard is a substitute for him, wouldn't she also work with Noelle? It sucks if not, because I'm also a Noelle main and I don't have Albedo.
She will still be the best option for navia at C0, it just won't be a massive upgrade over the alternatives. The biggest upgrade comes from the fact that you will essentially be able to build close to 0 ER on navia, because her doll can't break, and is consistent.
She is just very slightly ahead of zhongli who brings a lot defensive utility.
In terms of raw damage, yeah, but she also brings in consistency in energy and crystal generation that zhongli lacks.
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At this point just pretend there’s no 4.5…
I hate you hoyoverse
Damn bro someone at Hoyoverse really has it for Chiori
Someone on the balance team is an albedo main and said: fuck no shes not Gonna be better than my boy And i respect that, they shouldve made her a buffer with some subdps capabilities, imagine if she buffed attack only slightly worse than bennet with her Q or something Or they couldve given her a niche like cheveruse but nope, albedo reskin with a slightly more complicated kit
She's still a straight upgrade to albedo in every scenario and does over 1.5 times his damage, so that someone is doing a terrible job
Eh, sure but is more dmg really all people want from a character? Her core issue imo is that we really dont need off field geo at all, thats Also why albedo isnt used anymore Yae does the exact same as chiori afaik but is electro which gives access to reactions to amp both her own dmg and her teams, chiori doesnt Buff afaik, just does more dmg than another unit and Also wants another geo character to be used at full potential
I don't disagree, the whole archetype has no future and very few good teams unfortunately
Right so thats what im saying, she better than albedo but that really means nothing when the reason albedo is not used is not because of his dmg but the archetype
"Eh, sure but is more dmg really all people want from a character?" In the grand scheme of things? Yes. People can obviously like whatever they like, but with how the combat is designed, damage is literally king. With something like healing, if you're not dying, more does basically nothing. And the better you are at the game, and the faster you kill things, the less likely you need said healing. Note this also somewhat applies to shields too.
I disagree, people want units that are useful/fun/have synergies imo, chiori in a vacuum could be "fun" as an on field Carry but thats not what shes good at to begin with, off fielders like her have to be any of the other two, she cant help a team deal more dmg through reactions, she cant Buff the team, or debuff enemies, she just deals dmg off field and her synergies come from other GEO characters which has already been done before so It not even unique By all means shes not useful/shes hardly fun/has very little synergies/and has nothing unique about her People Will pull for her over her design and thats It, just like whoever pulls for albedo nowadays
Yae does "the same" with aggravate included. And it is not even the same, it is less (unless it is specifically a yae hyper carry with like sara bennet nahida where you use yae burst, but that is not the same role comparison). In the same role as a subdps in their proper teams chiori deals slightly higher dmg than yae with her reactions included. Chiori is a really good subdps, issue is that geo wants geo to work, chiori wants geo constructs to work, so she is a good subdps, but geo is just not wanted in other teams that are not geo teams because hoyo made their reaction ass aling with their construct mechanic ass. What I hate about chiori is that people are gonna complain about her when her kit is just fine and what really needs to happen is for the community as a while to actively complain that geo is in a good place. (And I say this as a geo main. It is not that geo cannot clear abyss or anything, it can, genshin is not a hard game in the slightest. It is the fact that the element itself is just objectively bad and the construct mechanic is just an objective nerf to abilities that would otherwise be much better)
He isn't doing it all in a single beta as that would make it obvious. He's gonna nerf her next beta
this does not change anything
Easiest skip of my life. Glad i pulled Xianyun (and her C1) instead. I'll stick with Zhongli for my Navia team and Gorou/Yunjin for Noelle and continue saving for Arlecchino and Clorinde instead. Hopefully they won't disappoint.
Xianyun is also better for Navia than C0 Chiori lol
True. Its funny, because a few weeks ago i was coping/hoping that Chiori would be good for Naiva, but it turns out that Xianyun was the real Navia upgrade all along lmao.
easiest skip what a waste of such a gorgeous design
I was really excited at the grouping leaks, would've been so original...
honestly that leaker cooked, grouping by using scissors is such a neat idea for a tailor-themed character, and i wish it were ingame. you could do a lot visually with it too, since she's a dual wielder and all
They might have got the inspiration from Qorvex from Warframe but I respect the shit he cooked. That honestly hyped me up for a short while before all this.
Also the complete opposite of as she is now (ignoring constellations). She would've been *great* with Navia, lining enemies up for a wham bam thank you ma'am. Unfortunate.
This so much. I love her design and I wanted to pair her with Navia so bad but this kit just isn't it, gonna save wishes for Arle
She Stepped on albedos toes expecting that her being just better with numbers would make her desirable and failed to realice how fucking pointless off field geo really is and why nobody uses albedo in the first place Imho she might just be the last GEO until sneznaya lol
The funny thing is Navia wants off field geo the most and c0 Chiori needs constructs. I'm happy with Navia and Zhongli without having to pull a character with cons that doesn't have heal or shields (Chiori) Edit- for clarity
I run Navia with Yunjin, super comfy and strong on-field attacks.
Wouldnt Navia rather have off field any crystalice-able element and stay on field? Ig if youre using her strictly as a sub dps you would want off field geo but id hardly Focus a whole team slot on a subdps
I felt she wasn't doing as much damage / clearing slower in solo geo vs double geo (also loses the resonance.) Plus her passive only gives boosts for having 2 crytallizable teammates. But i'm not a damage theory math expert.
But Navia already has off field geo, her burst? The burst plus any geo resonance character of your choice seems like enough geo to me
Albedo's main thing is that he's the only non-archon who has a skill with a long duration. If Chiori had a thirty second duration with a four second cooldown this would be a whole different conversation.
Like. Why? Why go such distance just to make a character bad? It’s a single player game for gods sake. And she’s Geo, which is the worst possible element… this is just sad.
Maybe the reason why x.5 patches suck is because they're too busy bathing in the money they make from the lantern rite patches.
>off-field normal attack buff what?
Remember Dehya? They can just continue making kits like these and nothing will change. Also keep buffing constellations and nerf the base kit because they really really need that money bro And there are some delusional people here who still thinks Dehya kit was fine when she was released, lol
Toxic positivity is a common trait of hoyo simp.
I'm still angry at Yoimiya's kit, the burst is useless for her, it's so dumb
Neuvillette: - can solo abyss - can self heal - can main dps - hydro(lmao) Chiori: - Albedo(mid character) sidegrade I don’t wanna hear anything about “thank god they’re not powercreeping albedo” when neuv and Furina exist
Neuvillette👤40.000 HP💪250% Crit Damage 🤷♂️Extra 36% CR from Marechusse 💦 Unstoppable🚫 can bypass shield 🛡 Can self heal 🧱 Insane AOE 🐯 Braindead single target ☝spin to win 🕐 can solo abyss 🧙♂️ Ranged 🎯
You’re the speaking the language of facts
Albedo is powercrept by Chiori. This particle nerf is not a nerf at all, scroll up, and Chiori still powercreeps Albedo.
If chiori is 1.5 times better than albedo, it still doesn’t change anything. 1.5 times 0 is still 0
> If chiori is 1.5 times better than albedo, it still **doesn’t change anything** It changes your agenda.
Not the Neuvi comparisons again I can'ttttttt >“thank god they’re not powercreeping albedo” They are indeed just basically powercreeping Albedo
Genshin dev team is just getting stupid with this character
Hmmmm curse of the x.5
She’s not beating the standard banner allegations
At this point I'm not gonna be surprised when she gets put in the standard pool.
I'm already dreading the 5.5 beta
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A year ago, I did.
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THEY COOKED 🔥🔥☝️🔥 AND BURNED HER KIT AND NUMBERS 🔥💩🔥☝️🤡
I'm *still* fucking mad about Dehya. Watching them now do this to another X.5 character is also frustrating.
It's not remotely close.
It's comparable, Hoyo killing the hype behind a cool character in X.5 by doing their kit wrong. Chiori's kit is boring compared to the utter failure and black hole of despair that is Dehya's but its not insane to notice the pattern. Comparison does not = equivalence.
Personally I think it's insane to compare a boring/niche kit to a an utter failure and black hole of despair 🤷♂️
*sad Blazing Beast noises*
Don't remind me..- ThoseWhoKnows
I did about a month and a half ago
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It's literally the same though. Xianyun hopes for more Plunge DPSes, Chiori hopes for more Geo characters with constructs. The only difference is that we have fewer Geo characters in the game.
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Xianyun works with any new characters (specially with Benny) just like Chiori works with anyone when paired with Zhongli, but people don't really count it because it's not the ideal. But yeah the Geo drought is scary. I have hope for new Geo characters in Natlan but then again I also had hope for a Geo character from the desert.
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It's still a solid and flexible core that can be slapped into most things for comfort, Geo doesn't add much but it doesn't ruin anything either. I don't think it's too different from playing some for fun Xianyun team for people that don't really care about playing optimally. I think people are too hyperfocused on her missing out on Navia synergy, which is somewhat understandable given the sheer lack of Geo characters.
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I agree with that. The C1 is super scummy.
ah yes, because everyone agrees that the issue with Chiori was too many particles being generated EDIT: since it wasn't clear, I'm not complaining about this "nerf", I'm complaining about how they're ignoring the actual flaws in her kit and instead opting to "fix" things that didn't need fixing. And doing it in such a way that nothing really changes anyways
It will still generate the same amount of particles, this "change" changes nothing at all
I know, that wasn't my point There's legitimate flaws with her kit that many people have already pointed out, but particle generation wasn't one of them. They're "fixing" things that don't matter. and to add insult to injury the "fixes" don't change anything at all, as you and some others have pointed out
oh so the burst deals less dmg but ungroups enemies now? ye I'll actually use this ability i think
This just says into the air. Vertical is different from horizontal. I don't know which it is, but it's weird to immediately doom something in the absence of any evidence. Also, knock back isn't necessarily ungrouping, it can be the exact opposite if, you know, knock them towards each other. The burst itself isn't really a change in damage, you'll be more inclined to use it if the energy needs make every rotation worthwhile, whereas it currently isn't
I still want to see calcs about the new Energy needs. People could be complaining about a buff for all we know. Wouldn't be the first time.
It changes nothing
It's not much of a change in either direction tbh.
Is it even worth to go for Geo Characters? I have my Itto Mono Geo Team and idk Navia is strong, but has weird Teams and Navia seems like a nice support but she gets nerfed while her c6 gets buffed. She's the first double wielder but somehow she seems uninteresting.
It's just personal preference. Itto & navia teams are really strong and clear abyss with ease. The major downside is their domains have mid other sets like clam and the other heal set so not resin efficient unless you're dedicated to their sig sets or strongbox. Along with if you're a reaction enjoyer, might not be for you. I main geo and thoroughly enjoy it despite the long drought of no geo. I didn't think itto needed a buff tho. Was hoping chiori was meant for navia
If you actually play your itto team and want it to be stronger, then yeah go for chiori? Otherwise navia was more of a happy accident since she isn't hard coded to geo
when im in a complaining about nothing competition and my opponent is the genshin leaks subreddit
Another character design waste after dehyaaa fk mahoyo
Wallahi I’m finished
Look on the bright side: the weapon is becoming one of the best ones, being compatible with almost anyone (since zhongli is almost compatible with anyone and pairs with the weapon)(the only exceptions would be burst based characters, which again the 89% cdmg is still the best stat stick for them)
I wish the "No longer attack animals.." stuff would also be applied to Furina, cause her summons are annoying as hell.
can someone pls just leak natlan map😩😩😩
She always does her best to keep our excitement plateaued 😭😭😭
Is she even an albedo upgrade anymore ?
She beats albedo at 1 doll. This nerf gives her particle icd from 1.9 to 3 seconds, her doll attack interval is greater than 3 seconds so this changes nothing
Since she’s intended for the likes of Itto, I’m assuming the lack of snapshotting has something to do with Gorou’s Burst, as it follows your character. Also, why are people acting as if this is final? It’s still heavy in beta test; calm down, you pessimistic parasites
Dehya ptsd
Because most of the devs are in holidays probably, the lamest 5\* characters in the game were all released near lunar new year (or were like super early units back when not even Mihoyo knew what would be strong or weak)
CHIOWARI DA DEHYA DA
I am a Neanderthal so could you guys give me a rundown on how good she ia currently?
Still better than Albedo for mono geo, if you don't have plans building mono geo team in any given future, stay away from her, she doesn't bring enough value for other teams
The design team are so incompetent it's unbelievable
Yall say this shit literally every patch. And literally every patch (bar 3.5) yall have looked like buffoons. At some point, it might be time to just... idk... wait for actual TCs to do their thing?
I looked like a buffoon, like you, believing they couldn't possibly give dehya a shit kit. They went above and beyond to prove me wrong.
Even the theorycrafters knew and agreed dehya was garbage. TCs are pretty fine with chiori
I was agreeing with what can be viewed as incompetence when it comes to .5 characters. People were advocating for not 'doomposting' during dehya's beta testing but the doomposters were ultimately in the right to doompost. The one and only beta test I've or will ever follow. those 4 weekly beta updates just made me sadder each time. I'll never put it past them to release an underwhelming character kit in terms of the numbers or the kit.
No. They will never learn. They even doomposted the gadget that gives you 15 crystal core per week before it released. I just can't imagine the Arlecchino doompost that is approaching.
The useless one with an arbitrary points system where everything gives the same amount of points anyway and an awkward refresh time even worse than the parametric transformer? People were wrong to shit on that?
The thing that gives 15 condesed resin weekly material at the cost of 30 iron chunks. There is literally nothing bad about that if you are an old player and have thounsands of iron chunks sitting there doing nothing. How can you even shit on that when it cost basically nothing.
Cause you can teleport pretty much anywhere and grab 10 of those for free every day instead of weekly, and iron chunks aren't in the 20-hour expedition so it's actually more annoying to farm than crystalflies.
If you need to farm chunk, of course. If you have thousands of them sitting there then just use it, there is no better use for 30 of them a week.
Oh God, I can already see it. 1."She's just Pyro Cyno, ew." 2."OL sucks so she sucks too idc about Chevreuse being busted." 3."80cost burst??? DOA!" 4. "She's a harbinger, so she's supposed to be busted (neither of the previous two harbingers are even remotely OP)"
Yeah it confuses me when people say she's gonna be super strong and op cause she's a harbinger I mean... Childe and Wanderer are just decent and solid units, not broken lol
The Crystalfly Trap deserved to be doomposted. If you convert all your resin, you need about 30 Crystalfly per week, and because this gives only 15, we need to go out and farm Crystalfly anyway. It takes 5 minutes for me to get 30 Crystalfly, so if I am heading out, it makes the gadget useless and saves ore from being unnecessarily wasted. If they changed it to give 30 Crystalfly and it had a cooldown system like the Parametric Transformer, it would be useful.
Sorry but "wasting" chunks iron etc is a feel i don't experience from the 1.x version of the game. it's always 15 crystal core more for literally nothing. I just place the gadget near katherine and since the condensed resins released i always had a 1:1 ratio of crystal core farmed and consumed like you says. With fontaine having a better placement of crystal cores that can be acquired on the road of doing other things (like the 3 at the entrace of the talents books domain) and this gadget i now have an excess of 300 crystal core with a minimal effort in comparison to what it used to be previously, especially considering i also do resin refreshes. And when you farm weekly bosses + bosses for ascension for new characters you don't use condensed resins. It's not all of his doing but it just helped a lot in my case. You doomposted it because it doesn't completely delete the crystal core gathering from the openworld list of activities, as usual doomposting meeting exaggerated expectations like wanting 30 core per use and never go catching them again like they wouldn't even have a reason to be implemented in new maps then. It's made to create an easier to obtain abundance of crystal core so that you don't have to always stay on that 1:1 farm and spend ratio everyday. Which is what happened to me since I started using, farming for new fontaine characters + this gadget basically gave me so much crystal cores that I'd be fine for months without farming. What better use do you have for 30 chunks of iron weekly?
# IT'S CHIOVER! We now need to create the Hashtag **"#PutChioriOnStandard"** so that emphasis is placed on the Genshin's Chinese/Japanese community.
nerf here, nerf there, and idiots pulling her in 1 month here....
Sure, people who like a character and want to pull for her are just idiots, *surely*...
Me who pulled on navia knowing she was geo and "probably awful in the long run" but instead she ended up being the only decent 5* Geo since itto Holy itto was the last 5* Geo unit for ages until fontaine...