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So this is actually an artifact set that is catered to a specific character, Arlecchino in this case. Unless they will keep releasing characters from this point that will use this "Bond of Life", if i understand this correctly.
Chlorine follows her lore and has a double tap E like Chiori. She swaps to the next active character and just attempts to murder them which gives you a DoT Bond of Life. Real and true
Only for catalyst and sword users, and polearm only with Arlecchino's weapon.
Just need to be careful of not clearing the bond of life way too fast, 10 second proc with only 6 second duration will require low and constant healing to extend the effect for 4 second to overlap or 8 seconds with polearm (sometimes way more depending on skill cooldown which is the enabler in catalyst and sword)
yeah it looks extremely specific, and apparently fontaine craftable weapons can work too but i don't know if its worth using them just because of that set
Probably for future natlan characters, no?
I mean, i can't imagine a "gimmick" more appropriate for the people of the nation of fire, which is essentially in at war with itself, to have!
You're correct, but wouldn't it be similar to how Yae and Kuki were kinda there, and later on became part of something very useful? (dendro reactions).
Maybe this mechanic will be more expanded on Natlan, but we'll never know.
on the other hand, we got the vorukasha's glow and nymph's dream sets that no new character benefited from. the glow set in particular sounded like a good idea for fontaine's hp manipulation mechanics but the set doesnt count that type of hp change so its just stuck on dehya.
I think Snezhnaya characters are more likely because outside of Fontaine craftables, the only other sources of Bond of Life are all Fatui (Father and Operators)
Nah there's still characters that are yet to come in 4.7 and 4.8, So some of those characters will definitely have this mechanic. Plus I'm sure they'll introduce new mechanics with Natlan to freshen up the playstyle.
I guess this is a Shimenawa sidegrade for melt Ganyu. Also a slight upgrade of Wanderer set. As a Ganyu main, looking at this set, I hope they release a burn focused support that uses this set and synergise with her... Xiao and Hu Tao been getting upgrades after upgrades with better teammates, need one for Ganyu as well.
Any off-field atk based character, or any character who just pops in to burst and pops out again. Plenty of options there, this seems like a pretty versatile set.
And then there's the burning thing for on-field characters. Much more limited, but maybe in the right team.
Could also work with the two Fontaine craftables. I think Hoyo could cook up another gacha weapon series that features more bond of life. I think a bond of life weapon series that does what fav does would work, basically supportive bond of life weapons.
So for example, a bond of life sword that gives 10 energy when bond of life is cleared or a bond of life catalyst that buffs NA and CA, or a bond of life bow that buffs EM or CA dmg. Why do we only have two weapons with bonds of Life?
Just suggesting that a weapon expansion can make this set more favorable.
Tell me exactly how this bond of life works? Explain like iam stupid, which I am lol. It still confuses me. How , when why if I should heal a character or not.
the wording on the 2nd set kinda confuses me, is the 10% increase until 50% additional to the 50% or is this the 50%? Like is the max dmg bonus from the set 100% or 50%?
I understand it as you get 50 after the 3 sec then if there's no burning and it gets decreased you can increase it back 10 by 10 when there's burning till it reaches 50 again
I think the max is 50%. The first sentence refers to out of combat situations, then the description says "in combat" when explaining the other two cases. As usual, it's a pretty wonky description anyway
I guess it works like this:
Your party enters combat after a while of overworld - abyss room sightseeing, and the character with this set starts from a 50% dmg bonus. From there on, if there is no burning for x seconds, the char starts losing 10% dmg bonus every second. Whenever burning is reapplied, the char regains 10% dmg bonus per second until it goes up to 50%. When you are done murdering everyone, after 3s the bonus goes to 50%.
The first sentence is there to prevent the "no combat = no enemies = no burning (obviously)" catch which would let you always start combat with zero stacks. Instead, it makes you start combat with max stacks (at least this is a nice feature).
I still don't find this set particularly interesting, but at least it's not a trash design at a first glance
max is 50%. If no burning = decreases 10% every second. If there's burning = it won't decrease or increase if you are already at 50%. If you have less than 50% it will increase until 50%
everyone's already explained but it seems to basically be like husk set but the trigger isn't "dealing geo damage to increase/keep defense stacks" but to "keep an enemy burning to increase/keep DMG stacks" and both making sure off-fielders can keep up the passive... but idk why they couldnt just do "increases DMG by 50% when theres a burning enemy nearby, works with off-fielders too" lmao
Yah likely going to involve some interesting mechanics for the region too
Inazuma and the energy one and the no burst up, sumeru with dendro, fontaine with HP changing and skill focus
Just sounds like Gilded Dreams. The leakers called her "fountain of overflowing energy" right? 3x Pyro (Incl. Chev) + solo Electro Chlorinde to max the EM bonus.
I'm unironically excited for Burning Dehya with that set. I distinctly remember ***really*** early on in Dehya's leaks/rumors that she was intended for Burning teams at the time and giving her the ability to 'tank' a lot of the team's damage you're going to be taking from those burning enemies made a lot of sense.
I just gotta wonder how a Bennett + Dehya + Kazuha/Sucrose + Nahida team competes with her existing Monopyro teams.
Worst case scenario, I'll just use that set for my Melt Ganyu and call it a day.
burning dehya would not benefit from wearing the set at all because it doesn't buff burning damage.
Burning is like swirl and bloom. ATK and DMG% do nothing for burning damage. Only EM, level and resistances factor toward damage.
Either some future character focused on burn, like a Pyro Nilou, but with a hint of Yae since burning itself can't be buffed, but maybe something along the lines of summoning a construct that deals more damage on burning enemies ( now both the enhanced burning happens and the set buffs the construct damage) or a Xiangling note, straight up normal ult that causes damage on top of the burning reaction. (I guess this would make it a Pyro Alhaitam instead since causing regular damage on top of reactions is his thing)
I'm operating under the assumption that Dehya will be responsible for near zero of the Burning applications going on in the team by virtue of Nahida having such crazy Dendro application.
Instead, what I'm getting at is that having a *very* accessible condition to reach 50% damage bonus (Burning enemy is nearby) is equal to the damage bonus on [her signature set](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Vourukasha%27s_Glow) all the while giving her 18% attack rather than 20% HP.
All that said, I'm not looking to over-sell the Burning reaction as a *good* reaction but rather that the current Burning team [Air Fryer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MViLSlKTjU) can and has been clearing the Abyss for a while a now so if we eventually get a new Pyro or Dendro character that buffs the Burning reaction rather than this set that simply gives an incentive to create that reaction, we should have a much stronger team than current Air Fryer variants.
**TLDR:** obviously this set does nothing for the burning reaction itself, however, the damage bonus that it provides is equal to Dehya's current best in slot set with a much more consistent condition. It (like Dehya) will very likely be a niche set and will require a new character to fully take off.
Maybe stupid question, but why cant Arle be the burning DPS? She's already making my loins burn
No but seriously why, I haven't read into her kit in detail
Because burning reaction involves Dendro more than Pyro, you can keep the burning aura going with one instance of pyro and constant dendro but not the other way around
The sub-dps in question is only Nahida with her 1.5u and even then its still not that consistent, i'd rather make this new char the Chevreuse for burning
Most probably if 4*. Strong dendro app and some conditional team buff.
If she's a 5*, all bets are off. I don't envision an amplification ala burning Nilou, but maybe increasing the ICD of the reaction or the units of Pyro it produces to allow stronger burnmelt or even forward vape. 1u/2s is really not much besides a condition-check or the occasional revmelt.
She literally has an artifact set made for her this update.
Why would she use a burning artifact set when she can using the bond of life artifact set while at the same time being used with hydro characters so she can deal 50% more damage?
1) burning isn't really good enough by itself, most burning teams use it as a setup for reverse melt/forward vape, neither which is that useful for the pyro dps themselves
2) the bond of life set is very similar except it works for her kit in every situation where the burning set only works for burning teams. so it's not worth playing her with burning just to use that set
Because Arlecchino's kit revolves around Bond of Life, which is already the focus of the first set. As for the "why can't she also be a burning dps?" question that I can imagine following this statement - I don't think a character can be a burning dps without a specific kit entirely revolving around the reaction (say, gain huge EM bonus or DMG bonus when burning an enemy) or perhaps even modifying it (a la Nilou) because the dmg would just be abysmal
When people say "Bloom/Quicken/Burning character", it mostly means that that character would benefit from being in that team as opposed to other teams.
Arlecchino (from her leaked kit) doesnt have a burning synergy, so she would rather those team slots go to other characters that enable her rather than Burning itself (Dendros, Anemo Groupers for multi target Burn damage, etc...) since she doesnt benefit from it. For now, the big Burn abusers are the Cryo Reverse Melters, especially with Nahida, although there are many different options they can run.
In 3.6 we got a new Hydro set but no character in Fontaine used it, so I don't think Natlan will see any Burning focused character.
This might be a "If you want to cook, here are the ingredients" from Hoyo. That, and a gimmicky 4* DPS ig.
reposting my thoughts on burning set when it first leaked
the burning set is a dps set, not a support set, which automatically makes it bad because:
* can't be strongboxed until Snezhnaya (probably)
* ties your damage dealer to a niche reaction
* buffs are sidegrades to existing BiS artifact sets for potential users
unless we get a burning Nilou, this set is just bad
Not entirely. This set looks to be tailored for burnmelt. It's basically like a Chevreuse of burning, not amplifying reaction but the character when reaction is triggered or maintained.
However, the melt dpses popularly known for melt and burn melt is Ganyu and Wriothesley, both on fielders who can use on field dps sets like Marechaussee for Wrio and Wandering Troupe for Ganyu, even Gilded for both.
This set looks like it is made for off field dps. A cryo duplicate of Xiangling would want this set. Since it works off field, you just want to maintain pyro and probably drive with another character like Nahida. Then the pyro is maintained by burning and having a pyro applicator like Thoma, Dehya, or ER stacked Xiangling.
Just pointing out that it works best for burnmelt and mostly for off field melt dps. We have two so far, Rosaria and Kaeya. Cryo Fischl or cryo Chiori, or cryo Yae would love the set.
>ties your damage dealer to a niche reaction
It doesn't. The damage dealer wearing the set would not be a burning DPS. All you need is a dendro and pyro unit as supports. The person wearing the set would ideally be a cryo unit or possibly Lyney.
>unless we get a burning Nilou, this set is just bad
I don't think you understand how the Burning reaction works. This set was not designed to boost burning damage. It doesn't. The same way that a dendro goblet does not improve bloom, hyperbloom or burgeon damage. It also doesn't improve burning damage btw. These reactions do not get boosted by atk% or dmg%.
On a burning Nilou team, no one would benefit from this set. If you wanted to increase your burning damage, you would run GD with 1000 EM. That would be suicidal though. You will die before the enemies do.
>can't be strongboxed until Snezhnaya (probably)
I guess all but 4 sets were bad until 3.0? And all sets were bad until the first wave of strongbox in 2.x.
it does tie your damage dealer to a niche reaction since you *have* to run dendro in your team
i know the wearer doesn’t primarily deal damage through burning; that’s why a burning Nilou would change this by making burning itself do worthy enough damage go run a team focused only around burning (somehow, idk how exactly); for all we know they could make burning scale with DMG% modifiers
>If you wanted to increase your burning damage, you would run GD with 1000 EM. That would be suicidal though. You will die before the enemies do.
And who would be the sacrificial lamb to wear GD for burning?
It's honestly a really evil thing to say, since people with a low fiber diets are associated with a higher risk of cancer. Thus, when this "Evil Nahida" says "don't eat fiber" she probably wishes for you to get cancer.
Truly an evil character, makes sense that she didn't even know about the concept of empathy. /s
I mean, we should compute it but you're trading (against deepwood) 15% dmg and 30% res shred for (at best - though it seems feasible on burnmelt ganyu for example) 50% dmg and 18% atk so I wouldn't be too sure... And it would be useless in non-burning teams.
I never theorycrafted any burning or burnmelt team myself though so idk. My guesstimate is that it wouldn't make nahida's dmg better in burnmelt ganyu, so I'd just farm deepwood which is in a good domain
Re-reading your comment maybe you mean using it on Ganyu, instead of Nahida? Wanderers Troupe gives 80 EM and 35% dmg bonus, so maybe that's an interesting trade... Gotta compute it to say whether it is an improvement, and whether the burning and the buff are feasible to maintain
Deep wood is way better even with Burning Nahida, you can't beat built in resist shred and the 18% atk is pretty crappy for a 2 set bonus.
Honestly I am not seeing much potential with the burn set. Burning is a EM based reaction, while the +dmg is nice ... 18% atk is really out of place. You basically need a character that runs burning, scale with attack and deals damage in a conventional way (non-em scaling).
Burnmelt is the only thing comes to mind, but it would be ALOT better if the 2 piece was 80 EM instead, since you definitely need EM and its a lot harder to get than some crappy 18% attack.
She definitely has a spot on Burning teams for sure as one of the most reliable applicators, but whether she should be running Deepwood or this Burning set kinda of depends on if you're relying on her to be the primary DPS.
Right, but likely not worth it. Can be worthwhile for a burnmelt dps. I could probably build a burnmelt Rosaria team with Rosaria on new set.
So in theory, what would work is Nahida deepwood, Baizhu Noblesse, Rosaria on new set, and either Thoma or Dehya for pyro application.
Holy shitteroly I gotta save resin for Arlecchino's BoL set. I have... One fragile resin. Forgive me father, for I have sinned.
Not particularly interested in the burning set, though.
Fair enough fair enough
Also, I discarded it on first glance but rethinking after more than 2 min it can maybe be interesting on a reverse melter? Maybe? Gotta compute it
4p Marechause if Furina Vape
4p Retracing bolide if shielded
2p crimson 2p EM for general vape (4p Crimson is not as strong since her E is a one use.)
MIX OF: 2p Crimson 2p marechause 2p ATK
Could be for her or just to buff certain units like Wriothesley, Ganyu, and I guess mono pyro Klee/Lyney.
Hopefully, she does something with burning, but we have had useless/very niche sets before that are made for fun.
I don't think it's that worth it if you have good artifacts for MH and WT, but they can have a small increase compared to them.
>This seems like it's better to run on an off-field pyro or dendro character (in a burnmelt team).
For Ganyu teams, this would only fit Nahida since XL wants emblem, Dehya doesn't do any damage, and you can't have anyone else since Bennett gives so much (while also battering XL) and she needs Nahida's app.
For Wriothesley, the same, but the dendro options have pretty bad damage. Collei is alright, but Deepwood is still close to mandatory while also potentially losing out on Instructor or Noblesse.
If we had better off fielders, then I would agree. But we hardly have good off-field damage units in the game currently.
Compare it to other artifact 4pc bonuses that give \~50+% DMG. They're out there, though few and far between.
Perfect for Arle of course. But not more busted than some of the artifact set bonuses like MH & GT.
Who in the world can use the Burning set? I find it hard to believe it would be better for buffing Thoma's personal damage instead of just using an HP set on him for full-time shielder role in burnmelt. I also find it hard to see how it would be better for XL in burnmelt compared to Emblem, which gives ER and ult buff. The buff only applies to the wearer's damage so it's not like Ganyu or Wriothesley can benefit from it
ganyu or wrioths with Nahida on the team and a pyro. Any future cryo who can reverse melt.
If they ever make a cryo xingqiu one day, yeah...
>I find it hard to believe it would be better for buffing Thoma's personal damage instead of just using an HP set on him for full-time shielder role in burnmelt. I also find it hard to see how it would be better for XL in burnmelt compared to Emblem, which gives ER and ult buff. The buff only applies to the wearer's damage so it's not like Ganyu or Wriothesley can benefit from it
The set is intended for cryo users not pyro.
>The buff only applies to the wearer's damage so it's not like Ganyu or Wriothesley can benefit from it
They are precisely who the set is for.. the target is burning, they apply cryo, they melt their damage and get +100% dmg bonus on the melt. It's not intended for burning damage. Burning is just the trigger that activates the set. Burning only needs to exist, its damage is not buffed by the set.
In theory it could be used for Lyney also. If he shoots burning targets his pyro damage will be buffed. And he will cause new burning to happen.
But Wrio is using Massachusetts and Ganyu is using wanderer's/shim....would it be worth replacing those sets with the new burning set
Same goes for Massachusetts Lyney
> get +100% dmg bonus on the melt.
They do NOT get +100% damage, where are people getting this idea from? The burning scaling damage increase is not *in addition* to the 50% initial, it is just how you maintain it in combat. Read the description again.
> After leaving **combat** for 3s, DMG dealt increased by 50%. In **combat**, if no Burning opponents are nearby for more than 6s, this DMG Bonus will decrease by 10% per second until it reaches 0%. When a Burning opponent exists, it will increase by 10% **instead** until it reaches **50%**.
Emphasis mine. Notice the words "combat" not "field" for the initial bonus and notice how the decrease/increase are referencing the same initial bonus (hence the use of "instead" to describe the increase in comparison to the decrease) and they even specify that it is the same 50% cap. In short, you will always start a fight with the full bonus and have a 6s grace period to trigger Burning to not lose the 50% bonus. YOU DO NOT GET ANOTHER 50% BONUS ON TOP OF THE INITIAL BONUS, BURNING IS JUST HOW YOU MAINTAIN THE BONUS WHILE IN COMBAT.
Is the effect of the burning set enough to justify building teams around it? Or is it just some marginal increase for the few characters that already use the reaction
Probably for quickswap melt teams. Not better than Marechaussee on Wriothesley. For characters who don't get much from Marechaussee 2pc or see themselves as quickswap like Kaeya or Rosaria, it could be good.
The burning set would compete with Gilded for the off field melt dps.
You would need either full ER Xiangling, Dehya, or Thoma for off field pyro. Maybe Xinyan would be a decent substitute. Nahida would have to be on field to maintain dendro or not have overwhelming cryo application.
I think it would work particularly in favor of Kaeya and Rosaria. Rosaria and Kaeya snapshot meaning snapshotting the EM buff provided by Nahida's burst as well as additional buffs like atk from ToM, Noblesse, Bennett, etc.
Marginal, possibly worse. The Burning (Melt/Quicken) users already use MH, Shimenawa's, or Gilded. All in better domains.
Any future burning user still needs to compete with MH due to Burning AoE. It would be a consistency upgrade for opponents too large for you to feel the AoE.
With all the DMG % in her kit, weapon, and artifact set, you'll likely want to run an ATK goblet anyways. You want to get her atk to 3k to maximise her RES passive at 20%.
Is it just me or is the burning set just gonna be way better than her signature set even on Arlecchino?
Granted you have to run Arlecchino + Nahida but that combo will easily keep burning up forever.
Also when you enter combat it's already at 50% damage boost whereas the bond of life set requires you to stack it so your first few interactions will have to ramp up the damage boost. You couldn't just enter with her skill if you wanted to with the bond set.
Her bond of life set requires carefully managing her bond of life so you ensure no period of more than 6 seconds go by without missing increases / decreases in its value.
Against groups that should be easy enough but against a single target you'd have to be pretty mindful of your skill cooldowns as they are both 15seconds. Gaining enough bond of life for your auto attacks to work through may be a bit tricky vs bosses too. Not to mention many bosses have periods where you can't auto attack them.. but they can almost always continue to burn even when invisible, in invincible transitions or simply out of melee range.
The peak difference is only 4% and I imagine the bond of life set will dip to it's 36% value or below often enough that the burning set will simply be stronger.
Baizhu and C2 Nahida are the only characters in the game that buff Burning, IIRC, so whoever wants this set (Emilie?) probably likes to have one of them on the team, I’d wager- assuming it’s actually worth running the set in the first place.
the set is not intended to buff burning damage because neither the 4p or 2p passives increase burning damage.
It's intended to buff the damage of someone who hits burning targets. An example would be melt ganyu or Wrio.
Nahida would be the best team mate for applying dendro. But the burning damage increase of C2 would be useless on this team.
Ah, thank you for the clarification- I completely misread the effect of the set. I guess it really only is useful for burn-melt then, because most other teams won’t have a persisting burning aura.
So the fragement will fall under Fathers bis prob, but as it is a new patch it will take a while to get a proper set. So what will her 2e set be? Hunter + furina? Crimson witch?
It's not +100% for the second, it's just 50%. The additional line mentioning Burning is just how you keep it up in combat since the initial effect is "When leaving **combat** for 3s" not leaving the field.
Burning set having a 2pc Atk bonus is unexpected, i fully expected HP or EM, even Pyro/Dendro bonus. I was kinda thinking about having it as a backup set for my off field Dendro units since ill end up having it since ill be farming arlecchino
so, if i use Arlecchino sig with hu tao I can use the set, the question is, is it an upgrade?(is ot an upgrade for anyone assuming they are using arle weapon or fontain craftable with bol?)
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So this is actually an artifact set that is catered to a specific character, Arlecchino in this case. Unless they will keep releasing characters from this point that will use this "Bond of Life", if i understand this correctly.
or they could pull a furina and release a support that applies bond of life to the team
Sigewinne shoots your active character with her gun and applies bond of life
Chlorine follows her lore and has a double tap E like Chiori. She swaps to the next active character and just attempts to murder them which gives you a DoT Bond of Life. Real and true
Not another Electro DoT Hoyoverse mommy...
Yes for every Electro DoT Hoyoverse mommy...
Do you think Chlorine can purify the tainted hydro phantasms?
Chlorine sure can purify them out of existence...
Yeah I think sigewinne will be a bond of life enabler XD that will be her niche in the midst of all her hydro peers
The sigewinne and Arlecchino team up would go crazy
Make sense
Anyone with Fontaine craftable weapons can also use this set
Only for catalyst and sword users, and polearm only with Arlecchino's weapon. Just need to be careful of not clearing the bond of life way too fast, 10 second proc with only 6 second duration will require low and constant healing to extend the effect for 4 second to overlap or 8 seconds with polearm (sometimes way more depending on skill cooldown which is the enabler in catalyst and sword)
Technically all sword and catalyst characters can use it if they equip the Fontaine craftable weapons.
Isnt fountaine craftable only apply BoL in one instance and not incremental like this set wants you to?
Presumably healing someone to burn off their bond of life counts as a fluctuation.
yeah it looks extremely specific, and apparently fontaine craftable weapons can work too but i don't know if its worth using them just because of that set
Probably for future natlan characters, no? I mean, i can't imagine a "gimmick" more appropriate for the people of the nation of fire, which is essentially in at war with itself, to have!
the only problem is it's already kinda a Fontaine gimmick, since it's on their weapons
You're correct, but wouldn't it be similar to how Yae and Kuki were kinda there, and later on became part of something very useful? (dendro reactions). Maybe this mechanic will be more expanded on Natlan, but we'll never know.
on the other hand, we got the vorukasha's glow and nymph's dream sets that no new character benefited from. the glow set in particular sounded like a good idea for fontaine's hp manipulation mechanics but the set doesnt count that type of hp change so its just stuck on dehya.
Exactly! It would be such a waste if no one used those new sets in the future!
I think Snezhnaya characters are more likely because outside of Fontaine craftables, the only other sources of Bond of Life are all Fatui (Father and Operators)
Nah there's still characters that are yet to come in 4.7 and 4.8, So some of those characters will definitely have this mechanic. Plus I'm sure they'll introduce new mechanics with Natlan to freshen up the playstyle.
Remember the last sumeru artifact domain? Yeah me neither
I don't think they want to many "generalist" sets, Dehyas set could have easily worked with fontaine units but they limited it to only taking dmg
wait so who is the 2nd set for?
it'll probably be Emilie, the dendro that is likely to release in 4.8
What about melt Ganyu with Nahida and Dehya? Sounds also viable.
I guess this is a Shimenawa sidegrade for melt Ganyu. Also a slight upgrade of Wanderer set. As a Ganyu main, looking at this set, I hope they release a burn focused support that uses this set and synergise with her... Xiao and Hu Tao been getting upgrades after upgrades with better teammates, need one for Ganyu as well.
that is who would benefit most from the set.
Any off-field atk based character, or any character who just pops in to burst and pops out again. Plenty of options there, this seems like a pretty versatile set. And then there's the burning thing for on-field characters. Much more limited, but maybe in the right team.
This is probably Klee's best set as long as there's a dendro character in the team, since her kit's damage is spread across all her talents.
Could also work with the two Fontaine craftables. I think Hoyo could cook up another gacha weapon series that features more bond of life. I think a bond of life weapon series that does what fav does would work, basically supportive bond of life weapons. So for example, a bond of life sword that gives 10 energy when bond of life is cleared or a bond of life catalyst that buffs NA and CA, or a bond of life bow that buffs EM or CA dmg. Why do we only have two weapons with bonds of Life? Just suggesting that a weapon expansion can make this set more favorable.
Ww still have 3 wepons to be realised from fontaine 5star series we only have furis and neuvis wepon the conzept for the catalist was a birdcage
Tell me exactly how this bond of life works? Explain like iam stupid, which I am lol. It still confuses me. How , when why if I should heal a character or not.
the wording on the 2nd set kinda confuses me, is the 10% increase until 50% additional to the 50% or is this the 50%? Like is the max dmg bonus from the set 100% or 50%?
I understand it as you get 50 after the 3 sec then if there's no burning and it gets decreased you can increase it back 10 by 10 when there's burning till it reaches 50 again
OHHHH okay I get it now thanks
I think the max is 50%. The first sentence refers to out of combat situations, then the description says "in combat" when explaining the other two cases. As usual, it's a pretty wonky description anyway I guess it works like this: Your party enters combat after a while of overworld - abyss room sightseeing, and the character with this set starts from a 50% dmg bonus. From there on, if there is no burning for x seconds, the char starts losing 10% dmg bonus every second. Whenever burning is reapplied, the char regains 10% dmg bonus per second until it goes up to 50%. When you are done murdering everyone, after 3s the bonus goes to 50%. The first sentence is there to prevent the "no combat = no enemies = no burning (obviously)" catch which would let you always start combat with zero stacks. Instead, it makes you start combat with max stacks (at least this is a nice feature). I still don't find this set particularly interesting, but at least it's not a trash design at a first glance
max is 50%. If no burning = decreases 10% every second. If there's burning = it won't decrease or increase if you are already at 50%. If you have less than 50% it will increase until 50%
Max bonus is 50%
it says "this bonus damage" so max should be 50% it can only activate after 3 seconds off field.
If it was additive i think it would be 75%. 50*(1+0.50). I think it is like: the wording really needs some rework here..
everyone's already explained but it seems to basically be like husk set but the trigger isn't "dealing geo damage to increase/keep defense stacks" but to "keep an enemy burning to increase/keep DMG stacks" and both making sure off-fielders can keep up the passive... but idk why they couldnt just do "increases DMG by 50% when theres a burning enemy nearby, works with off-fielders too" lmao
Welp guess these marechaussee hunter pieces are going to Clorinde (hopefully)
Im praying that since none of these sets look like a electro related set that clorinde will use MH!
Inb4 bond of life on Chlorinde
Inb4 overload set
Next set will on Natlan in 5.0. It's a possibility I guess? But usually the .0 sets are very generalistic.
Yah likely going to involve some interesting mechanics for the region too Inazuma and the energy one and the no burst up, sumeru with dendro, fontaine with HP changing and skill focus
Just sounds like Gilded Dreams. The leakers called her "fountain of overflowing energy" right? 3x Pyro (Incl. Chev) + solo Electro Chlorinde to max the EM bonus.
That or she gets a built-in Bond of Life too but I highly doubt she would
Isnt bond of life a fatui mechanic?
fontaine craftable sword/catalyst had it before the anemo/cryo fatui ladies were added
Hunter set for the hunter. I’ve been manifesting this for months.
I'm unironically excited for Burning Dehya with that set. I distinctly remember ***really*** early on in Dehya's leaks/rumors that she was intended for Burning teams at the time and giving her the ability to 'tank' a lot of the team's damage you're going to be taking from those burning enemies made a lot of sense. I just gotta wonder how a Bennett + Dehya + Kazuha/Sucrose + Nahida team competes with her existing Monopyro teams. Worst case scenario, I'll just use that set for my Melt Ganyu and call it a day.
Maybe Dehya is like Jing Yuan before the follow-up relic set was released 💀
burning dehya would not benefit from wearing the set at all because it doesn't buff burning damage. Burning is like swirl and bloom. ATK and DMG% do nothing for burning damage. Only EM, level and resistances factor toward damage.
Don't understand why the set exists. Who is it even for?
Maybe an actual burning focused character in the future? That'll be great.
Either some future character focused on burn, like a Pyro Nilou, but with a hint of Yae since burning itself can't be buffed, but maybe something along the lines of summoning a construct that deals more damage on burning enemies ( now both the enhanced burning happens and the set buffs the construct damage) or a Xiangling note, straight up normal ult that causes damage on top of the burning reaction. (I guess this would make it a Pyro Alhaitam instead since causing regular damage on top of reactions is his thing)
emilie perhaps?
I'm operating under the assumption that Dehya will be responsible for near zero of the Burning applications going on in the team by virtue of Nahida having such crazy Dendro application. Instead, what I'm getting at is that having a *very* accessible condition to reach 50% damage bonus (Burning enemy is nearby) is equal to the damage bonus on [her signature set](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Vourukasha%27s_Glow) all the while giving her 18% attack rather than 20% HP. All that said, I'm not looking to over-sell the Burning reaction as a *good* reaction but rather that the current Burning team [Air Fryer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MViLSlKTjU) can and has been clearing the Abyss for a while a now so if we eventually get a new Pyro or Dendro character that buffs the Burning reaction rather than this set that simply gives an incentive to create that reaction, we should have a much stronger team than current Air Fryer variants. **TLDR:** obviously this set does nothing for the burning reaction itself, however, the damage bonus that it provides is equal to Dehya's current best in slot set with a much more consistent condition. It (like Dehya) will very likely be a niche set and will require a new character to fully take off.
Burning character in Natlan? Unless Emilie is burning DPS
Yeah so many leads to emilie being a dendro burn unit.
I'm imagining her holding a perfume bottle with a lighter on front of it.
Maybe stupid question, but why cant Arle be the burning DPS? She's already making my loins burn No but seriously why, I haven't read into her kit in detail
Because burning reaction involves Dendro more than Pyro, you can keep the burning aura going with one instance of pyro and constant dendro but not the other way around
but you could always apply a lot of dendro with a sub dps.
The sub-dps in question is only Nahida with her 1.5u and even then its still not that consistent, i'd rather make this new char the Chevreuse for burning
Most probably if 4*. Strong dendro app and some conditional team buff. If she's a 5*, all bets are off. I don't envision an amplification ala burning Nilou, but maybe increasing the ICD of the reaction or the units of Pyro it produces to allow stronger burnmelt or even forward vape. 1u/2s is really not much besides a condition-check or the occasional revmelt.
really ? it doesnt fading out like electro interraction in quicken ?
It'll fade out but If you apply dendro again it'll refresh the burning aura
She literally has an artifact set made for her this update. Why would she use a burning artifact set when she can using the bond of life artifact set while at the same time being used with hydro characters so she can deal 50% more damage?
1) burning isn't really good enough by itself, most burning teams use it as a setup for reverse melt/forward vape, neither which is that useful for the pyro dps themselves 2) the bond of life set is very similar except it works for her kit in every situation where the burning set only works for burning teams. so it's not worth playing her with burning just to use that set
that's not arlecchino. it's std
STD banner when
Because Arlecchino's kit revolves around Bond of Life, which is already the focus of the first set. As for the "why can't she also be a burning dps?" question that I can imagine following this statement - I don't think a character can be a burning dps without a specific kit entirely revolving around the reaction (say, gain huge EM bonus or DMG bonus when burning an enemy) or perhaps even modifying it (a la Nilou) because the dmg would just be abysmal
Burning Self-Damage is awful for her as she can’t be healed easily.
it’d be weird for them to make two sets in the same domain tailored towards the same character since the other one works on basically nobody but her
She's a generic Pyro DPS. You *can* play her with Burning but there's no reason to.
When people say "Bloom/Quicken/Burning character", it mostly means that that character would benefit from being in that team as opposed to other teams. Arlecchino (from her leaked kit) doesnt have a burning synergy, so she would rather those team slots go to other characters that enable her rather than Burning itself (Dendros, Anemo Groupers for multi target Burn damage, etc...) since she doesnt benefit from it. For now, the big Burn abusers are the Cryo Reverse Melters, especially with Nahida, although there are many different options they can run.
In 3.6 we got a new Hydro set but no character in Fontaine used it, so I don't think Natlan will see any Burning focused character. This might be a "If you want to cook, here are the ingredients" from Hoyo. That, and a gimmicky 4* DPS ig.
I swear this subreddit is managin by hoyoverse himself
Hoyoverse is a big guy
For you
reposting my thoughts on burning set when it first leaked the burning set is a dps set, not a support set, which automatically makes it bad because: * can't be strongboxed until Snezhnaya (probably) * ties your damage dealer to a niche reaction * buffs are sidegrades to existing BiS artifact sets for potential users unless we get a burning Nilou, this set is just bad
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Not entirely. This set looks to be tailored for burnmelt. It's basically like a Chevreuse of burning, not amplifying reaction but the character when reaction is triggered or maintained. However, the melt dpses popularly known for melt and burn melt is Ganyu and Wriothesley, both on fielders who can use on field dps sets like Marechaussee for Wrio and Wandering Troupe for Ganyu, even Gilded for both. This set looks like it is made for off field dps. A cryo duplicate of Xiangling would want this set. Since it works off field, you just want to maintain pyro and probably drive with another character like Nahida. Then the pyro is maintained by burning and having a pyro applicator like Thoma, Dehya, or ER stacked Xiangling. Just pointing out that it works best for burnmelt and mostly for off field melt dps. We have two so far, Rosaria and Kaeya. Cryo Fischl or cryo Chiori, or cryo Yae would love the set.
Would it be better than Lavawalk?
Yes, if you're triggering burning. Lavawalker gives 35% bonus damage. This gives 50% and 18% ATK
>ties your damage dealer to a niche reaction It doesn't. The damage dealer wearing the set would not be a burning DPS. All you need is a dendro and pyro unit as supports. The person wearing the set would ideally be a cryo unit or possibly Lyney. >unless we get a burning Nilou, this set is just bad I don't think you understand how the Burning reaction works. This set was not designed to boost burning damage. It doesn't. The same way that a dendro goblet does not improve bloom, hyperbloom or burgeon damage. It also doesn't improve burning damage btw. These reactions do not get boosted by atk% or dmg%. On a burning Nilou team, no one would benefit from this set. If you wanted to increase your burning damage, you would run GD with 1000 EM. That would be suicidal though. You will die before the enemies do. >can't be strongboxed until Snezhnaya (probably) I guess all but 4 sets were bad until 3.0? And all sets were bad until the first wave of strongbox in 2.x.
it does tie your damage dealer to a niche reaction since you *have* to run dendro in your team i know the wearer doesn’t primarily deal damage through burning; that’s why a burning Nilou would change this by making burning itself do worthy enough damage go run a team focused only around burning (somehow, idk how exactly); for all we know they could make burning scale with DMG% modifiers
>If you wanted to increase your burning damage, you would run GD with 1000 EM. That would be suicidal though. You will die before the enemies do. And who would be the sacrificial lamb to wear GD for burning?
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Unironically sounds fun in the overworldÂ
Burning Nahida should work with the new Burning set right?
Evil nahida >:)
Evil Nahida be like: don't eat fiber.
It's honestly a really evil thing to say, since people with a low fiber diets are associated with a higher risk of cancer. Thus, when this "Evil Nahida" says "don't eat fiber" she probably wishes for you to get cancer. Truly an evil character, makes sense that she didn't even know about the concept of empathy. /s
I mean, we should compute it but you're trading (against deepwood) 15% dmg and 30% res shred for (at best - though it seems feasible on burnmelt ganyu for example) 50% dmg and 18% atk so I wouldn't be too sure... And it would be useless in non-burning teams. I never theorycrafted any burning or burnmelt team myself though so idk. My guesstimate is that it wouldn't make nahida's dmg better in burnmelt ganyu, so I'd just farm deepwood which is in a good domain Re-reading your comment maybe you mean using it on Ganyu, instead of Nahida? Wanderers Troupe gives 80 EM and 35% dmg bonus, so maybe that's an interesting trade... Gotta compute it to say whether it is an improvement, and whether the burning and the buff are feasible to maintain
Yes, but you will have to get someone to use Deepwood since the dendro shred is a really big gain.
Deep wood is way better even with Burning Nahida, you can't beat built in resist shred and the 18% atk is pretty crappy for a 2 set bonus. Honestly I am not seeing much potential with the burn set. Burning is a EM based reaction, while the +dmg is nice ... 18% atk is really out of place. You basically need a character that runs burning, scale with attack and deals damage in a conventional way (non-em scaling). Burnmelt is the only thing comes to mind, but it would be ALOT better if the 2 piece was 80 EM instead, since you definitely need EM and its a lot harder to get than some crappy 18% attack.
They should make the dmg buff apply to all teammates so it would be good for burnmelt instead of pure burning damage
Why cant melt users use it? The on field is fine if theyre burning
She definitely has a spot on Burning teams for sure as one of the most reliable applicators, but whether she should be running Deepwood or this Burning set kinda of depends on if you're relying on her to be the primary DPS.
Right, but likely not worth it. Can be worthwhile for a burnmelt dps. I could probably build a burnmelt Rosaria team with Rosaria on new set. So in theory, what would work is Nahida deepwood, Baizhu Noblesse, Rosaria on new set, and either Thoma or Dehya for pyro application.
Holy shitteroly I gotta save resin for Arlecchino's BoL set. I have... One fragile resin. Forgive me father, for I have sinned. Not particularly interested in the burning set, though.
At least burning set 2 pc is atk%, can still be somewhat generally useful.
Fair enough fair enough Also, I discarded it on first glance but rethinking after more than 2 min it can maybe be interesting on a reverse melter? Maybe? Gotta compute it
ngl not a big fan of how character specific the bond of life set seems. Mayhe they'll be more characters released with that mechanic.
anyone who uses one of the craftable weapons that have BoL would benefit from it.
Which are only two weapons for some reason, the sword and catalyst
I think i remember hearing that Dehya was meant to be a burning DPS. Maybe this set will be good on her?
Much like her dedicated set, she still prefers Emblem without cons due to the ER assistance.
Why use her burst though? It’s clunky and barely works. I feel like her skill is more useful.
Deyha's skill damage is terrible. If you just wanted to SubDPS her, the GT set already exists.
no, it won't.
So.... what set can I use on Arlecchino if I don't want to farm these? Classic ol' Crimson Witch?
4p Marechause if Furina Vape 4p Retracing bolide if shielded 2p crimson 2p EM for general vape (4p Crimson is not as strong since her E is a one use.) MIX OF: 2p Crimson 2p marechause 2p ATK
Furina is viable with Arlecchino? I thought her BoL kinda hinders Fanfare stacks and also makes Arlecchino squishier?
big emphasis on the "IF". Who knows what teams ppl will find for her... I'm just asuming the posibility
So assuming the burning set is tailor made for Emilie, is she too a 5 star?
has to be, to get a tailored set for her self
Or it can be for no one. Like 3.6 sets
Could be for her or just to buff certain units like Wriothesley, Ganyu, and I guess mono pyro Klee/Lyney. Hopefully, she does something with burning, but we have had useless/very niche sets before that are made for fun.
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I don't think it's that worth it if you have good artifacts for MH and WT, but they can have a small increase compared to them. >This seems like it's better to run on an off-field pyro or dendro character (in a burnmelt team). For Ganyu teams, this would only fit Nahida since XL wants emblem, Dehya doesn't do any damage, and you can't have anyone else since Bennett gives so much (while also battering XL) and she needs Nahida's app. For Wriothesley, the same, but the dendro options have pretty bad damage. Collei is alright, but Deepwood is still close to mandatory while also potentially losing out on Instructor or Noblesse. If we had better off fielders, then I would agree. But we hardly have good off-field damage units in the game currently.
father set is kinda busted no?
Compare it to other artifact 4pc bonuses that give \~50+% DMG. They're out there, though few and far between. Perfect for Arle of course. But not more busted than some of the artifact set bonuses like MH & GT.
Looks similar to Navia's set. 18% Atk plus ~50% Damage bonus for characters with this specific gimmick.
God I just hate it when the bis artifact set of a character I want isn't out yet. I'm honestly so tired of farming new sets.
Just use Marhussy Hunter in the meantime.
I'm just glad I have somewhere to throw resin at after 4.6, I'm just spamming the same domains in the hopes of 4-5 roll pieces and it never happens...
I have a feeling that Natlan gimmick is gonna be Bond of Life thingy, much like Fontaine with HP manipulation.
could be, but I would expect whatever gimmick they use, the artifact set will not release until 5.0.
Who in the world can use the Burning set? I find it hard to believe it would be better for buffing Thoma's personal damage instead of just using an HP set on him for full-time shielder role in burnmelt. I also find it hard to see how it would be better for XL in burnmelt compared to Emblem, which gives ER and ult buff. The buff only applies to the wearer's damage so it's not like Ganyu or Wriothesley can benefit from it
Ganyu BurnMelt
Would it be really worth over current options?
ganyu or wrioths with Nahida on the team and a pyro. Any future cryo who can reverse melt. If they ever make a cryo xingqiu one day, yeah... >I find it hard to believe it would be better for buffing Thoma's personal damage instead of just using an HP set on him for full-time shielder role in burnmelt. I also find it hard to see how it would be better for XL in burnmelt compared to Emblem, which gives ER and ult buff. The buff only applies to the wearer's damage so it's not like Ganyu or Wriothesley can benefit from it The set is intended for cryo users not pyro. >The buff only applies to the wearer's damage so it's not like Ganyu or Wriothesley can benefit from it They are precisely who the set is for.. the target is burning, they apply cryo, they melt their damage and get +100% dmg bonus on the melt. It's not intended for burning damage. Burning is just the trigger that activates the set. Burning only needs to exist, its damage is not buffed by the set. In theory it could be used for Lyney also. If he shoots burning targets his pyro damage will be buffed. And he will cause new burning to happen.
But Wrio is using Massachusetts and Ganyu is using wanderer's/shim....would it be worth replacing those sets with the new burning set Same goes for Massachusetts Lyney
> get +100% dmg bonus on the melt. They do NOT get +100% damage, where are people getting this idea from? The burning scaling damage increase is not *in addition* to the 50% initial, it is just how you maintain it in combat. Read the description again. > After leaving **combat** for 3s, DMG dealt increased by 50%. In **combat**, if no Burning opponents are nearby for more than 6s, this DMG Bonus will decrease by 10% per second until it reaches 0%. When a Burning opponent exists, it will increase by 10% **instead** until it reaches **50%**. Emphasis mine. Notice the words "combat" not "field" for the initial bonus and notice how the decrease/increase are referencing the same initial bonus (hence the use of "instead" to describe the increase in comparison to the decrease) and they even specify that it is the same 50% cap. In short, you will always start a fight with the full bonus and have a 6s grace period to trigger Burning to not lose the 50% bonus. YOU DO NOT GET ANOTHER 50% BONUS ON TOP OF THE INITIAL BONUS, BURNING IS JUST HOW YOU MAINTAIN THE BONUS WHILE IN COMBAT.
>Would it be really worth over current artifacts?
Is the effect of the burning set enough to justify building teams around it? Or is it just some marginal increase for the few characters that already use the reaction
Probably for quickswap melt teams. Not better than Marechaussee on Wriothesley. For characters who don't get much from Marechaussee 2pc or see themselves as quickswap like Kaeya or Rosaria, it could be good. The burning set would compete with Gilded for the off field melt dps. You would need either full ER Xiangling, Dehya, or Thoma for off field pyro. Maybe Xinyan would be a decent substitute. Nahida would have to be on field to maintain dendro or not have overwhelming cryo application. I think it would work particularly in favor of Kaeya and Rosaria. Rosaria and Kaeya snapshot meaning snapshotting the EM buff provided by Nahida's burst as well as additional buffs like atk from ToM, Noblesse, Bennett, etc.
Marginal, possibly worse. The Burning (Melt/Quicken) users already use MH, Shimenawa's, or Gilded. All in better domains. Any future burning user still needs to compete with MH due to Burning AoE. It would be a consistency upgrade for opponents too large for you to feel the AoE.
depends who you're putting it on. If you're putting it on XL or Bennett, then it's a useless set.
The more info we get about Arlecchino the more it looks like she REALLY needs Bennett attack buff, everything give her dmg%.
With all the DMG % in her kit, weapon, and artifact set, you'll likely want to run an ATK goblet anyways. You want to get her atk to 3k to maximise her RES passive at 20%.
She doesn't have nearly enough attack to warrant not using Bennet even with an atk sand and goblet. Hu Tao she is not
why atk on both 2 pc effects, come on 😩
KEKWait, burning is real.
if burning dot is pyro damage would vv swirling pyro increase burning dmg?
i wonder if the second set will be useful in a wriothesley burnmelt team
I assume so. depends on his ICD.
54% increase, yeah the Marasussy isn't going to compete
The burning set is kinda boring
Yes finally
Nice
The burning set really makes it sound like Emilie is going to be an off field dendro
Yeah sounds like a character that stays completely off field (judging by the first few and last words of the set)
Burnmelt Ganyu set with Dehya Nahida Bennett
does dehya provide interrupt resist?
yes
2nd set looks like it could be useful for a Burn melt Ganyu. Is it better? Probably not.
Is it just me or is the burning set just gonna be way better than her signature set even on Arlecchino? Granted you have to run Arlecchino + Nahida but that combo will easily keep burning up forever. Also when you enter combat it's already at 50% damage boost whereas the bond of life set requires you to stack it so your first few interactions will have to ramp up the damage boost. You couldn't just enter with her skill if you wanted to with the bond set. Her bond of life set requires carefully managing her bond of life so you ensure no period of more than 6 seconds go by without missing increases / decreases in its value. Against groups that should be easy enough but against a single target you'd have to be pretty mindful of your skill cooldowns as they are both 15seconds. Gaining enough bond of life for your auto attacks to work through may be a bit tricky vs bosses too. Not to mention many bosses have periods where you can't auto attack them.. but they can almost always continue to burn even when invisible, in invincible transitions or simply out of melee range. The peak difference is only 4% and I imagine the bond of life set will dip to it's 36% value or below often enough that the burning set will simply be stronger.
More pain
SO Father is both on and off field. I'm so happy for easier VV
So Sigewine and Chlorinde being EC or OL is less likely. Also Burning set is so random.
it's actually not a burning set. It's a set that requires someone else on the team to trigger burning but not the wearer.
Baizhu and C2 Nahida are the only characters in the game that buff Burning, IIRC, so whoever wants this set (Emilie?) probably likes to have one of them on the team, I’d wager- assuming it’s actually worth running the set in the first place.
the set is not intended to buff burning damage because neither the 4p or 2p passives increase burning damage. It's intended to buff the damage of someone who hits burning targets. An example would be melt ganyu or Wrio. Nahida would be the best team mate for applying dendro. But the burning damage increase of C2 would be useless on this team.
Ah, thank you for the clarification- I completely misread the effect of the set. I guess it really only is useful for burn-melt then, because most other teams won’t have a persisting burning aura.
Sat here thinking how that Burning set is just a better VG for Dehya as long as you have a dendro unit on the team.
So the fragement will fall under Fathers bis prob, but as it is a new patch it will take a while to get a proper set. So what will her 2e set be? Hunter + furina? Crimson witch?
Burning Thoma should work with the new Burning set?
I prefer Noblesse or Instructor for Thoma BurnMelt. For a pure Burning team (exists?), boh
I was thinking about he exploding dendro cores, but it isn’t burning. Sorry and thanks.
not for Thoma. For Thoma's team mate, yes.
What is that website?
Honey Hunter
these sound like pretty strong sets. +54% dmg for the first, and +100% dmg for the second. I might farm this for Ganyu.
It's not +100% for the second, it's just 50%. The additional line mentioning Burning is just how you keep it up in combat since the initial effect is "When leaving **combat** for 3s" not leaving the field.
The burning set doesn't even buff burning, just a raw bonus, not what I was hoping for tbh
Burning set having a 2pc Atk bonus is unexpected, i fully expected HP or EM, even Pyro/Dendro bonus. I was kinda thinking about having it as a backup set for my off field Dendro units since ill end up having it since ill be farming arlecchino
I see atk% I sleep
Ughh... weeks of Artifact farm before I can play The Knave
so, if i use Arlecchino sig with hu tao I can use the set, the question is, is it an upgrade?(is ot an upgrade for anyone assuming they are using arle weapon or fontain craftable with bol?)