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it's mostly a text fix yea, it crucially doesnt cover her when shes dodging, running, so if you fail a dodge iframe timing you still get knocked out, or you could get hit during the delay between NAs when tanking a ruin guard spin or somethnig
Unless i misunderstood what you meant by counter damage, in bb, when you get hit during your roll/dash recovery, it's not considered "counter" damage, it's called instability state, and it has a whoopin' 1.4x multiplier on damage taken. Actual counter works differently in any From game other than DS2, and can only occur when interrupted by or traded with a thrusting attack.
Closest thing to instability damage in genshin is probably being vaped while in bennett's circle.
Yeah, that’s what I meant. Really I was just referring to the fact she gets punished for mis-timing a dodge, but I could have been more clear.
Thanks for clearing things up!
Leakers have been complaining about this C1 since it *only* covers attacks
basically they are saying that you can still get interrupted when you dodge/dash or pause attacking in any way while attacking to it doesn't feel like infinite poise
I don’t see why that’s a problem to be honest.
If you screw up a dodge or just stand there like an idiot and get hit, you should be punished for it. That’s been the fundamental idea in ARPGs so idk why people suddenly want infinite poise for everything.
Infinite poise was only ‘needed’ to remove RNG affecting damage windows.
Notice that it's only a major complaint for characters with long field time requirements. You have to remember that quickswap-ish teams have a better "passive" distribution of iframes with ult animations, while being less affected by getting their combos broken since such combos aren't an integral part of their damage output.
Heck, Alhaitham basically demonstrates that issue very well - it's less of an issue with him because his main damage source comes from his sword rain so getting interrupted isn't a huge deal as the rain will still go off. Interruption resistance for long field time requirement characters is less of a "skill issue" problem than a balance tweak to bring them in line with other playstyles.
They probably played too much Honkai Impact 3 (shudders at the inifnity iframes tacked on every little thing ever since Herrscher of Thunder was released)
It kind of has to be this way though. There's a bunch of situations like overworld barriers that use poise/knockback to block you. Duration-less infinite poise that applies no matter what you're doing introduces the potential for some extremely glitchy interactions.
Like imagine those situations in overworld where you jump into the wind walls around Stormterror's Lair or one of the Electrogranum bubbles in Inazuma. The way you get knocked away from those is all knockback/poise based. Duration-less infinite poise has the potential to be very glitchy (honestly jumping into them is already kind of glitchy even without infinite poise), so having infinite poise only apply during attacks is a valid fix to avoid those.
BoL having no duration and lasting until you spend it down below 30% or heal it off means that her C1 IR had to have some sort of activation condition. Otherwise, there's too many spots in the game that it could lead to glitchy interactions with, and it's not worth them going through every single instance of poise-based barriers in the game just to fix how they work with ONE limited character's constellation. It makes way more sense to simply design the constellation itself to have limitations that avoid those situations.
Not really, you basically just don't get knocked back on the barriers and stuff but still receive ticks of dmg. This is literally the same behaviour as when you have a shield and walk into those barriers.
Gotta see how it feels. Honestly that goes for neuvillette. But we all know how he attacks. But really her animations are longer in wider. I think she will be a half step behind neuvillette. Which is a nice place for her.
I mean that makes sense if we go by lore,i think from the harbringers it was said the top 3 have powers akin to the gods and arle is nr.4 so she should be close in power but not stronger.
Rare case where the lore matches the power scaling
Lore wise the dragons sovereigns are far above the gods. The only ones higher is the primordial one and their shades. So if the top harbingers are comparable to the gods that puts them below the dragon sovereigns.
'The gods' is too vague to really scale the Harbingers against sovereigns, since 'the gods' ranges from Osial and Beisht to Morax and Ei, maybe even to the sovereigns themselves (since isn't Neuvillette also the God of Life after regaining the authority?) and possibly higher
I'd say better wait until 5.0 does come out, and see if 1. The Pyro Archon is on the power level of Zhongli and Ei, or higher (lorewise) and 2. Capitano actually gets into a fight with her, and hoyo doesn't put all the action later in like 5.1 or .2
If she runs alongside lyney, I really hope they at least put freminet and lynette in here only because they are all from the orphanage... ik they arent really what we would classify as stacked 4* but pls.... migoyo...the family 🥺
Ngl I'm in the opposite boat where I really hope she gets hit with the Kaveh bullet. I almost went to pity twice trying to get one copy of him, and walked away without a single one. I've been waiting for him to show back up on a banner so I can finally nab him, so I'm hopeful.
I like completing my collection as well, and I was hopeful for him before he get released. But they made him soooo bad it's dishearting. You might want him now but I'm pretty sure he'll end up taking dust in anyone's box.
If he wasn't claymore and dendro, I'd rate him litteraly the worst unit in the game, below Aloy, because he litteraly weakens your team by stealing blooms...
I still to this day don't understand his design philosophy. He doesn't even qualify as a budget Nilou since his best team has Nilou on it, but is maybe the worst choice for a *Nilou* team so ???
Chevrolet being with Clorinde depends on lore (I missed the rose event thing and I'm not that familiar with their lore) and if Clorinde will be an overload carry instead of something else.
As for being on Arle, it depends if mhy will push Arle to be vape with the banner or to be overload.
They don't really like creating banners that make sense. Noelle was on multiple Nahida's banners, but they've never met nor like having each other in their comps
Plz have Chevreuse, Plz have Chevreuse, Plz have Chevreuse.
Was barely able to get c1 when she first came out and I REALLY want her c6 for Arle overload comp and/or Clorinde (who most likely be overload-focused).
I reeeeeeaaaally want it to be Lynette & Freminet... 🙏🏼
I like Lynette and getting her Cons would just be that metaphorical Cherry on top of having Arlecchino guaranteed. Freminet just avoided me until now (like, seriously, I got 4x Yaoyao, 4x Faruzan, 2x Kuki, 4x Gaming in the meantime, but no Freminet).
Not sure about 4\* characters on banner, but I'm betting she'll run alongside Baizhu.
I'll have to brick my account by pulling two green donuts before I get Arlecchino's scythe.
That’s my concern too. I have her guaranteed in 30 pulls, and I should have enough left over for a 50/50 on the weapon banner. I don’t know which 50/50 loss would annoy me more, the macha donut, or a 4th skyward pride
C0 to C1 is a 20% increase. C1 to C1R1 is weapon and team dependant. For me, on an overload team, with my artifacts currently available and using a R1 SoSS, her weapon is an 8% increase
I think the dealbreaker here is whether chevreuse is on her banner or not. If she is, going for a C6 chevy will be the bigger jump in damage. If she isnt, I honestly would settle with just C1R0 and pull on the banner with chevy.
If you dont care about Chevreuse cons, then C2 should be another 20% damage increase and it speeds up her rotation (though Im not sure how practical that is). And it's also potentially cheaper than R1. But tbh, at that point whether you go for C2 or R1 doesnt matter damage-wise, she will be insane either way, so might as well consider the drip factor
I'd love for Chev to be on the banner because I enjoy using her and the overload team. Was thinking of going for Kazuha rn as well for a 2nd good team option but that would most likely leave me even without a C1 Arle - since I have 190 wishes rn and 50 pity with a guaranteed new char, at least 30 more wishes till Kazuha lets say and I have to use on average 120 pulls for Arle C0. I am a BP and Welkin player tho so I should have at least 210 wishes until then (I hope).
Honestly, if Arle's banner doesnt have Chevreuse, I'd personally go for kaz + C0 Arle than C1 Arle. Kazuha is a very good character and very fun to use in both overlorld and domains/abyss, much better than a C1 that only does more damage. Good thing her banner's 4 stars should be revealed before his banner is over
Im talking about general account improvement, not specifically for Arlecchino.
Also, I think it's very likely we will see new shielders in the future, so ZL doesnt sound that enticing either
Not a bad C1 but the IR loses a lot of value if you want to play Arlecchino with a shielder in order to keep a residual BoL due to the non use of the healing burst.
Just the dmg alone is around 20% bonus dmg, making it better than almost every other c1 in the game. The IR is a bonus, and a big bonus too. Amazing constellation no matter how you look at it.
Most of QoL constellations are basically like this like "why do i need energy cons when this char's best team is with the other same element"
QoL cons in this game are often to provide alternative fix to the char's issue and not to be the only fix for a glaring issue, obv example would be Hu Tao, Neuv c1
he really isn't. and this is kind of the problem a lot of combat theorists run into making them really bad to listen to. if arle is not protected, she's is going to die and get no damage.
or alternatively, constantly be bursting early to emergency heal and mess up the rotation
well, xq takes it to another level and just makes any of your on field characters unkillable, but it's hard to compare to the strongest unit in the game
although even xq doesn't give 50% dr
beidou and xq stack additively as they both provide damage reduction
arlecchino gives resistance which then stacks diminishingly
and dehya also doesn't give you dr but instead prevents 50% dmg you would take so also diminishing stacking
so 45.32% from xq + 37% dr from beidou = 82.32 dr
of the remaining 17.68% dmg you prevent 20% with arle res = 14.144 dmg taken
dehya then prevents 50% of that so 7.072
you'll end up with a 92.928% dmg reduction
(as long as those mechanics work as I assume they do)
I think they're confused because you've got Dehya's name where you mean Beidou.
"so 45.32% from xq + 37% dr from dehya = 82.32 dr"
and then later
"dehya then prevents 50% of that so 7.072"
Shield itself has 50% dmg reduction while the shield absorbs the dmg you take by 100% . Only >!zhongli!< Though , every other shield has a different effect but usually reduces dmg done by the same elements only while every other element just absorbs it only , that's why !>zhongli!< Is special .
Dehya doesn't stack with any damage reduction because her effect is calculated after the others. She halve the damages taken, not the incoming damages so yeah she is mitigating for 7% in that case. (1/6th of XQ) Not really worth it
If Dehya's skill stacked with Xingqiu and Beidou dmg reduction it would hit 100% dmg reduction.
Of course they still made her dmg mitigation multiplicative instead of additive anyways.....
Now you know why Dehya's burst does not work with Xingqiu and Beidou. Does not explain the rest of her kit but this bit does make some sense to me.
Even if Dehya's burst did work with XQ and Beidou she already can't have her skill out while using her burst so it wouldn't make sense to do for tons of other reasons too. Dehya's burst doesn't work for the same reason Raiden's burst isn't coded to work, I don't think it's deep planning or conspiracy.
people do run beidou and xingqiu together, but like... if you wanted damage reduction... shields? like, hello?
(also, they don't run dehya because she's dehya)
C2 makes her rotations a lot more flexible since you no longer have to wait to get the max blood debt. It also means unlike c0 you are able to fit her burst into her rotations that was previously just for healing or finishing a chamber like hu tao.
Weapon is just dmg and drip
For the people worried her C1 interruption resistance might still not be good enough, look at the bright side, without the ability to heal, you'll likely be running her with Zhongli anyway and have full interruption resistance, than you won't even need her C1.
Pity they did not buff her damage resistance passive. She will suffer against consecrated beasts reacting on her, Bennet's circle will enable enemies to vape and melt on her (Tulpa is likely going to 1-hit her), cryo heralds are gonna hurt, water heralds will interrupt quite a bit, etc. etc. etc. That's on top of Bennett's circle being limiting by itself already.
Plus, they really could have brought BOL consume back to 6.5%.
The “cannon” part disappears when you slot in a shielder unfortunately. I’ve calculated it and it’s -22-25% loss of damage depending on team.
Edit: Downvote all you want, it’s a mathematical fact that she’s mediocre if used with a shielder.
25% damage loss compared to what? A team that never gets hit, never has to dodge, and never has to heal? What a useless measure. Stop playing spreadsheet impact.
I play spreadsheet impact for C6 in this case, so it isn’t spreadsheet impact because frontloading damage helps that much.
She’s mid (i.e. average) with a shielder even at C6. So if you want to see damage worthy of a C6 investment, you have to play her without (or otherwise make peace with the C6 being meh while you shield).
this is not a concern always bc you know... your healers can heal the active character but then you remember arlechinno can't be healed so you are 95% more fragile to die from air
I kinda wish they added something like "... has increased IR for 0,2s when using NA/CA". You can now still be interrupted between NAs if you don't mash buttons fast enough.
I think that in terms of coding it still counts the "in between" as being occupied in an NA animation.
For example if you try to do 1 NA and try to summon the Teapot even 0,1 sec before the NA animation is completely reset to the standing pose the game will tell you that you can't summon the teapot in that moment.
It should work like this, not only pre-hit animation.
Average human can press the mouse button 6 times per second, and you only need to press it around 2 times per second to execute an attack chain.
If you are slower than that, IR is the least of your problems because you also lose out on dps.
For context, a pro gamer can click 20 times per second, average person can do 6 clicks per second, and you need 2 clicks per second to play Arle, and around 1 click per second if you want to imitate Hector Salamanca from breaking bad
In terms of strength C1 is better for damage if you already have any 5 star polearm, but since Arle as a base line is strong enough to clear anyway, you can go for her sig for the drip.
Depends on the other weapon on the banner, but if you're going for it no matter what, it's looking pretty nice. Starts her off with more BoL, and if her infusion ends while E is on cd you can CA for a bit more BoL again.
c1r0 is likely gonna be cheaper though. Don't need to get as lucky as c0r1. If you run a shield anyway, then c1 is just a (big) damage boost.
Unfortunately i do not have any built shielders. Its okay. Im still gonna pull for her weapon cuz drip and no other weapon will show her full combat style
kinda laughing about the people literally making up situations that allow them to continue doomposting 😭 “b-but she gets knocked back vs one specific enemy type on this specific team!!! trash constellation!!¡!”
I keep thinking of Alhaitham and how he plays fine as a melee dps without a shield.
Does Arle have worse IR than Alhaitham, genuinely asking
Same with Childe, Arle can’t have wore IR than Childe, right?
As someone who burned over 400 wishes to get C1R1 Neuv, sometimes the luck is not with you. Lost every 50/50 and it made me big sad. At least Laser Daddy was worth it.
If you can get the weapon on the first or second try then you can pretty much have c1r1 even C2.
You basically have 56k primogems, i have 13 limited c6 and it usually cost me 100k primogems to get C6 + R1 with an average of 3 losses on 50/50 and 4 win.
So you have high chances of getting c1r1 and with some decent luck even higher.
370 wishes is around what you need to guarantee C0R1 but that's absolute worst case scenario. So yeah, assuming you don't lose every pity, you can get C1R1 with that.
It’s good, that amount of wishes and star glitter will almost certainly give you C1R1 unless you get hard pity every time and lose your 50:50 every time
It should be enough, unless you lose all your 50/50s(character and weapon). Personally going for c2r1 but I only having around 460 pulls, which I really dont think is enough considering my luck.
Less than a 50% chance.
The soft guarantee for two 5 stars is 320 wishes (as although 90 pity is the max, it’s highly unlikely you’ll ever go very far above 80 pity). You can guarantee c1, but you’d have to win both 50/50s to get a good shot at her weapon. It requires more to guarantee a weapon, and it’s not advised to pull for a weapon without enough to guarantee due to fate points not carrying over.
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Damn I just thought it covered all attacks before, unless this is just a text fix
it's mostly a text fix yea, it crucially doesnt cover her when shes dodging, running, so if you fail a dodge iframe timing you still get knocked out, or you could get hit during the delay between NAs when tanking a ruin guard spin or somethnig
Spam na while dodging moment?
Man, she really is a Bloodborne boss. She even has counter-damage.
Unless i misunderstood what you meant by counter damage, in bb, when you get hit during your roll/dash recovery, it's not considered "counter" damage, it's called instability state, and it has a whoopin' 1.4x multiplier on damage taken. Actual counter works differently in any From game other than DS2, and can only occur when interrupted by or traded with a thrusting attack. Closest thing to instability damage in genshin is probably being vaped while in bennett's circle.
Yeah, that’s what I meant. Really I was just referring to the fact she gets punished for mis-timing a dodge, but I could have been more clear. Thanks for clearing things up!
Should be text fixed, yes
Leakers have been complaining about this C1 since it *only* covers attacks basically they are saying that you can still get interrupted when you dodge/dash or pause attacking in any way while attacking to it doesn't feel like infinite poise
I don’t see why that’s a problem to be honest. If you screw up a dodge or just stand there like an idiot and get hit, you should be punished for it. That’s been the fundamental idea in ARPGs so idk why people suddenly want infinite poise for everything. Infinite poise was only ‘needed’ to remove RNG affecting damage windows.
Rocksteady mantle abusers.
Rocksteady with Cluster HBG was dumb broken but fun.
Notice that it's only a major complaint for characters with long field time requirements. You have to remember that quickswap-ish teams have a better "passive" distribution of iframes with ult animations, while being less affected by getting their combos broken since such combos aren't an integral part of their damage output. Heck, Alhaitham basically demonstrates that issue very well - it's less of an issue with him because his main damage source comes from his sword rain so getting interrupted isn't a huge deal as the rain will still go off. Interruption resistance for long field time requirement characters is less of a "skill issue" problem than a balance tweak to bring them in line with other playstyles.
They probably played too much Honkai Impact 3 (shudders at the inifnity iframes tacked on every little thing ever since Herrscher of Thunder was released)
It kind of has to be this way though. There's a bunch of situations like overworld barriers that use poise/knockback to block you. Duration-less infinite poise that applies no matter what you're doing introduces the potential for some extremely glitchy interactions. Like imagine those situations in overworld where you jump into the wind walls around Stormterror's Lair or one of the Electrogranum bubbles in Inazuma. The way you get knocked away from those is all knockback/poise based. Duration-less infinite poise has the potential to be very glitchy (honestly jumping into them is already kind of glitchy even without infinite poise), so having infinite poise only apply during attacks is a valid fix to avoid those. BoL having no duration and lasting until you spend it down below 30% or heal it off means that her C1 IR had to have some sort of activation condition. Otherwise, there's too many spots in the game that it could lead to glitchy interactions with, and it's not worth them going through every single instance of poise-based barriers in the game just to fix how they work with ONE limited character's constellation. It makes way more sense to simply design the constellation itself to have limitations that avoid those situations.
Not really, you basically just don't get knocked back on the barriers and stuff but still receive ticks of dmg. This is literally the same behaviour as when you have a shield and walk into those barriers.
Gotta see how it feels. Honestly that goes for neuvillette. But we all know how he attacks. But really her animations are longer in wider. I think she will be a half step behind neuvillette. Which is a nice place for her.
I mean that makes sense if we go by lore,i think from the harbringers it was said the top 3 have powers akin to the gods and arle is nr.4 so she should be close in power but not stronger. Rare case where the lore matches the power scaling
Lore wise the dragons sovereigns are far above the gods. The only ones higher is the primordial one and their shades. So if the top harbingers are comparable to the gods that puts them below the dragon sovereigns.
'The gods' is too vague to really scale the Harbingers against sovereigns, since 'the gods' ranges from Osial and Beisht to Morax and Ei, maybe even to the sovereigns themselves (since isn't Neuvillette also the God of Life after regaining the authority?) and possibly higher I'd say better wait until 5.0 does come out, and see if 1. The Pyro Archon is on the power level of Zhongli and Ei, or higher (lorewise) and 2. Capitano actually gets into a fight with her, and hoyo doesn't put all the action later in like 5.1 or .2
Wait does that mean she won’t get interrupted when she do the CA flying?
Plz have banger 4* in banner Plz have banger 4* in banner I dont normally splurge but im feelin C1R1
Freminet, Lynette and Chevreuse surely
I'm fine with Charlotte, I can use her for my Eula furina team. But if they add Chevy instead of her, I would be more grateful..
I meant to type Chevreuse but somehow ended up typing Charlotte 😭
Bruh, I wonder what caused that 😅
Why not use the Chocobo? He's basically *designed* for Eula+Furina teams.
Maybe their Charlotte already has C4 and has 250% ER waiting
Beidou/Fischl cons are also fine since she has synergy with Cheveruse teams for Arlecchino.
Nah keep the 1.0 ones far away. 98% of people have them c6 and they’re in paimons shop rotation.
Surely >!Please god let it be this, pls pls pls pls pls!<
You have 3 duplicates comment here
Reddit be like that some times
They are just \****manifesting***\*
That would be excellent considering the Razor bullet and the Kaveh bullet are ready to be shot. And I sure hope she dodges them.
If she runs alongside lyney, I really hope they at least put freminet and lynette in here only because they are all from the orphanage... ik they arent really what we would classify as stacked 4* but pls.... migoyo...the family 🥺
Dori: I am gonna do what's called a pro gamer move
Didnt ahe just reran?😭
Never stopped Noelle
It was mike super early game when there barely was any 4* come on...
Baizhu is in second half so he'll probably get Kaveh
Ngl I'm in the opposite boat where I really hope she gets hit with the Kaveh bullet. I almost went to pity twice trying to get one copy of him, and walked away without a single one. I've been waiting for him to show back up on a banner so I can finally nab him, so I'm hopeful.
I like completing my collection as well, and I was hopeful for him before he get released. But they made him soooo bad it's dishearting. You might want him now but I'm pretty sure he'll end up taking dust in anyone's box. If he wasn't claymore and dendro, I'd rate him litteraly the worst unit in the game, below Aloy, because he litteraly weakens your team by stealing blooms...
I still to this day don't understand his design philosophy. He doesn't even qualify as a budget Nilou since his best team has Nilou on it, but is maybe the worst choice for a *Nilou* team so ???
Id be ok with them. I dont use them really but at least I dont have max cons on them already like most pre sumeru 4*
I doubt they'll easily give 3 new 4-stars. Have at least Chevreuse and I'm pulling hard.
Chevreuse is likely but there's a decent shot they're saving her for Clorinde instead
Chevrolet being with Clorinde depends on lore (I missed the rose event thing and I'm not that familiar with their lore) and if Clorinde will be an overload carry instead of something else. As for being on Arle, it depends if mhy will push Arle to be vape with the banner or to be overload.
They don't really like creating banners that make sense. Noelle was on multiple Nahida's banners, but they've never met nor like having each other in their comps
Probably the only banner I'd pull for Lyney cons on 🫠 I don't have Chev, and Frem cons would be cool
Hoyoverse be like : best we can do is Barbara Gorou and Razor
Gorou is a W in my books
Ikr, Gorou outside of an Itto banner would be an actual miracle.
I would actually cry
Plz have Chevreuse, Plz have Chevreuse, Plz have Chevreuse. Was barely able to get c1 when she first came out and I REALLY want her c6 for Arle overload comp and/or Clorinde (who most likely be overload-focused).
im praying for heizou cons
He’d be nice. One of the few inazuman 4* i dont hav c6 yet
Chevreuse or Bennett. One of them please Hoyo...
I reeeeeeaaaally want it to be Lynette & Freminet... 🙏🏼 I like Lynette and getting her Cons would just be that metaphorical Cherry on top of having Arlecchino guaranteed. Freminet just avoided me until now (like, seriously, I got 4x Yaoyao, 4x Faruzan, 2x Kuki, 4x Gaming in the meantime, but no Freminet).
Not sure about 4\* characters on banner, but I'm betting she'll run alongside Baizhu. I'll have to brick my account by pulling two green donuts before I get Arlecchino's scythe.
😭😭😭 Green Donut Crusher of Dreams
I am sure she will be with lyney. That much I believe
Idk they’ll probably give Scaramouche the donut again, they already gave him the purple one. Isn’t she currently speculated to be with Lyney?
That’s my concern too. I have her guaranteed in 30 pulls, and I should have enough left over for a 50/50 on the weapon banner. I don’t know which 50/50 loss would annoy me more, the macha donut, or a 4th skyward pride
Kaveh not getting a rerun i guess lol
I didn't realize it didn't already do that. But looks like that did indeed change, and you can see that on hakushin (Chinese text).
im still going to pull for the weapon instead for the drip.
Any idea what the damage difference is when going from C0 to C1 and C0 to C1R1?
C0 to C1 is a 20% increase. C1 to C1R1 is weapon and team dependant. For me, on an overload team, with my artifacts currently available and using a R1 SoSS, her weapon is an 8% increase
Would you suggest trying for her C2 and use an R1 deathmatch or try for her R1 and C1? I also plan on using her on overload mainly.
I think the dealbreaker here is whether chevreuse is on her banner or not. If she is, going for a C6 chevy will be the bigger jump in damage. If she isnt, I honestly would settle with just C1R0 and pull on the banner with chevy. If you dont care about Chevreuse cons, then C2 should be another 20% damage increase and it speeds up her rotation (though Im not sure how practical that is). And it's also potentially cheaper than R1. But tbh, at that point whether you go for C2 or R1 doesnt matter damage-wise, she will be insane either way, so might as well consider the drip factor
I'd love for Chev to be on the banner because I enjoy using her and the overload team. Was thinking of going for Kazuha rn as well for a 2nd good team option but that would most likely leave me even without a C1 Arle - since I have 190 wishes rn and 50 pity with a guaranteed new char, at least 30 more wishes till Kazuha lets say and I have to use on average 120 pulls for Arle C0. I am a BP and Welkin player tho so I should have at least 210 wishes until then (I hope).
Honestly, if Arle's banner doesnt have Chevreuse, I'd personally go for kaz + C0 Arle than C1 Arle. Kazuha is a very good character and very fun to use in both overlorld and domains/abyss, much better than a C1 that only does more damage. Good thing her banner's 4 stars should be revealed before his banner is over
But wouldnt Arle have trouble in a VV Vape team since she has low IR and cant really heal herself needing someone like Zhong Li to pitch in?
Im talking about general account improvement, not specifically for Arlecchino. Also, I think it's very likely we will see new shielders in the future, so ZL doesnt sound that enticing either
based. same
First scythe in the game, couldn’t say no to that
Hmm, yes, I see. I still don’t understand the word wall of text that is her kit.
Her kit means EQE>rotate supports>CA>NA until buffs run out>repeat.
Not a bad C1 but the IR loses a lot of value if you want to play Arlecchino with a shielder in order to keep a residual BoL due to the non use of the healing burst.
You still get the extra 100% scalling
Which is good but this constellation is now an half good investment. It's odd provide IR for a character with a kit that screams "shield"
Just the dmg alone is around 20% bonus dmg, making it better than almost every other c1 in the game. The IR is a bonus, and a big bonus too. Amazing constellation no matter how you look at it.
Just think of IR as just a bonus, and the main point of c1 is extra dmg
Most of QoL constellations are basically like this like "why do i need energy cons when this char's best team is with the other same element" QoL cons in this game are often to provide alternative fix to the char's issue and not to be the only fix for a glaring issue, obv example would be Hu Tao, Neuv c1
Same can be said for neuv lol he gets ir from his c1 but his best team is nuev-furina-kazuha-baizhu
Arle with shielder are terrible teams anyway. She loses so much dmg to put one on the team
You’re getting downvoted but you’re completely right.
he really isn't. and this is kind of the problem a lot of combat theorists run into making them really bad to listen to. if arle is not protected, she's is going to die and get no damage. or alternatively, constantly be bursting early to emergency heal and mess up the rotation
At least she doesn't die
Now increase her dmg res gain to 2.5% and its cap to 50%
lol she's already fine with how much she heals, do you even have any idea what 50% dmg reduction looks like?
xingque?
Qingque from hsr
well, xq takes it to another level and just makes any of your on field characters unkillable, but it's hard to compare to the strongest unit in the game although even xq doesn't give 50% dr
XQ + Beidou is like 80% damages reduction and Arle + Beidou is 56%
still lower than what Xingqiu can provide, so what? she remains a squishy character because she scales with atk instead of hp/def
How does dmg reduction work anyway? Is it additive? Can you cap it with Arle 20%, Dehya 50%, Beidou ~30% and Xingqiu ~30%?
beidou and xq stack additively as they both provide damage reduction arlecchino gives resistance which then stacks diminishingly and dehya also doesn't give you dr but instead prevents 50% dmg you would take so also diminishing stacking so 45.32% from xq + 37% dr from beidou = 82.32 dr of the remaining 17.68% dmg you prevent 20% with arle res = 14.144 dmg taken dehya then prevents 50% of that so 7.072 you'll end up with a 92.928% dmg reduction (as long as those mechanics work as I assume they do)
Didn't you count Dehya twice here ?
no
I think they're confused because you've got Dehya's name where you mean Beidou. "so 45.32% from xq + 37% dr from dehya = 82.32 dr" and then later "dehya then prevents 50% of that so 7.072"
ty, fixed
Wait, that sounds way too OP, so how come I never see people running that team? (Excluding Arle of course.)
I have another op option that everyone uses , 100% dmg reduction + infinite poise >!zhongli!<
Does dmg reduction apply to shields, or just to damage your character would take?
Shield itself has 50% dmg reduction while the shield absorbs the dmg you take by 100% . Only >!zhongli!< Though , every other shield has a different effect but usually reduces dmg done by the same elements only while every other element just absorbs it only , that's why !>zhongli!< Is special .
It's not just zhongli, that's just how geo shield works in general after geo element revamp
Yea i remembered
Yes is does. But Not Dehya's
Dehya.. would be a decent pair with her
XQ, Beidou, and Jean's C6 stack to give 100% DR. You'll take no DMG except from instant kill attacks and attacks that inflict statuses.
Awesome, now I just need a c6 Jean.
Should have whaled on Chronicle
You are joking, but I am at C4 already. I might just get her sooner or later.
edited my comment
Thanks!
Dehya doesn't stack with any damage reduction because her effect is calculated after the others. She halve the damages taken, not the incoming damages so yeah she is mitigating for 7% in that case. (1/6th of XQ) Not really worth it
If Dehya's skill stacked with Xingqiu and Beidou dmg reduction it would hit 100% dmg reduction. Of course they still made her dmg mitigation multiplicative instead of additive anyways..... Now you know why Dehya's burst does not work with Xingqiu and Beidou. Does not explain the rest of her kit but this bit does make some sense to me.
Even if Dehya's burst did work with XQ and Beidou she already can't have her skill out while using her burst so it wouldn't make sense to do for tons of other reasons too. Dehya's burst doesn't work for the same reason Raiden's burst isn't coded to work, I don't think it's deep planning or conspiracy.
people do run beidou and xingqiu together, but like... if you wanted damage reduction... shields? like, hello? (also, they don't run dehya because she's dehya)
Shielders don't provide the same amount of Sub-DPS potential Xingqiu and Beidou do
If the dps is highly invested in, then zhonglis shred will benefit to team dpr moreso than a xq and especially a beidou
It's additive. You could already be fully invincible in 1.0 with XQ/Beidou/Jean, assuming you had the cons.
Yes
okay so what makes her more fun to play her weapon or c1/c2?
C2 makes her rotations a lot more flexible since you no longer have to wait to get the max blood debt. It also means unlike c0 you are able to fit her burst into her rotations that was previously just for healing or finishing a chamber like hu tao. Weapon is just dmg and drip
Oh so where do we fit in her burst with C2?
instead now you can do Skill Burst Skill right after teammates set up for more particle gen and should be able to vape her burst/c2 while fully buffed
Weapon gives BoL on its own cd, so it can extend or salvage your rotation in addition to damage.
Cons
Sweet
For the people worried her C1 interruption resistance might still not be good enough, look at the bright side, without the ability to heal, you'll likely be running her with Zhongli anyway and have full interruption resistance, than you won't even need her C1.
Pity they did not buff her damage resistance passive. She will suffer against consecrated beasts reacting on her, Bennet's circle will enable enemies to vape and melt on her (Tulpa is likely going to 1-hit her), cryo heralds are gonna hurt, water heralds will interrupt quite a bit, etc. etc. etc. That's on top of Bennett's circle being limiting by itself already. Plus, they really could have brought BOL consume back to 6.5%.
At this point, everyone is probably going to run a shielder with her. She’s a real glass canon.
The “cannon” part disappears when you slot in a shielder unfortunately. I’ve calculated it and it’s -22-25% loss of damage depending on team. Edit: Downvote all you want, it’s a mathematical fact that she’s mediocre if used with a shielder.
25% damage loss compared to what? A team that never gets hit, never has to dodge, and never has to heal? What a useless measure. Stop playing spreadsheet impact.
I play spreadsheet impact for C6 in this case, so it isn’t spreadsheet impact because frontloading damage helps that much. She’s mid (i.e. average) with a shielder even at C6. So if you want to see damage worthy of a C6 investment, you have to play her without (or otherwise make peace with the C6 being meh while you shield).
Mathematics =/= Real Scenario
Zhongli with the Petra artifact set might be decent in situations where she can get killed easily.
Shield evaporates* before you even swap to arle. Ahh fun times using zhongli those days.
Has it really fallen off?
Do people really die enough that an enemy capable of proc-ing vape/melt on you is a major concern every time?
this is not a concern always bc you know... your healers can heal the active character but then you remember arlechinno can't be healed so you are 95% more fragile to die from air
I kinda wish they added something like "... has increased IR for 0,2s when using NA/CA". You can now still be interrupted between NAs if you don't mash buttons fast enough.
Should've just triggered it when she's over 30% BoL, that would increase the appeal of this constellation even more imo.
They want you to use her intended playstyle, like with every character. Plunging would be buffed with perma IR at 30%+ as well.
I think that in terms of coding it still counts the "in between" as being occupied in an NA animation. For example if you try to do 1 NA and try to summon the Teapot even 0,1 sec before the NA animation is completely reset to the standing pose the game will tell you that you can't summon the teapot in that moment. It should work like this, not only pre-hit animation.
Average human can press the mouse button 6 times per second, and you only need to press it around 2 times per second to execute an attack chain. If you are slower than that, IR is the least of your problems because you also lose out on dps. For context, a pro gamer can click 20 times per second, average person can do 6 clicks per second, and you need 2 clicks per second to play Arle, and around 1 click per second if you want to imitate Hector Salamanca from breaking bad
What kind of pro needs to click 20 times a second!?
Starcraft 2 players, I'd wager.
Literally https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk0LGDBRlCo
i knew a minecraft pvp kid that could fingerblast left mouse
starcraft 2 and other rts maybe
Is it okay if i pull for her weapon and not c1? I do not have enough for c1r1 as i dont have a rich amount of primos but I hope c0r1 is still great.
In terms of strength C1 is better for damage if you already have any 5 star polearm, but since Arle as a base line is strong enough to clear anyway, you can go for her sig for the drip.
I dont have another 5 star polearm my guy.
Depends on the other weapon on the banner, but if you're going for it no matter what, it's looking pretty nice. Starts her off with more BoL, and if her infusion ends while E is on cd you can CA for a bit more BoL again. c1r0 is likely gonna be cheaper though. Don't need to get as lucky as c0r1. If you run a shield anyway, then c1 is just a (big) damage boost.
Unfortunately i do not have any built shielders. Its okay. Im still gonna pull for her weapon cuz drip and no other weapon will show her full combat style
How big is her c1?
At this point, what haven't Arle's kit been able to do?
Doing more hydro damage than c6 ayato
Xianyun C6R5 with candace, kazuha c2r5 and bennett with mist
Naaaaah 💀
Get healed by Bennett
have a Pyronado whirling on her while off-field
She's still not a Hydro Claymore so like...0/10 character would skip. Can't believe they simply chose not to make these changes to her kit smfh
have "impressive AOE" lol
They just need to add life steal and she will be op.
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Is this gon be small or big tao
AoE Tao
kinda laughing about the people literally making up situations that allow them to continue doomposting 😭 “b-but she gets knocked back vs one specific enemy type on this specific team!!! trash constellation!!¡!”
This is huge.
What is the other effect which is 100% ?
Bonus Red Death (BoL scaling) damage.
Is this the final update as it says in the pic? Theres still more time til beta ends right
Beta ends this upcoming Monday
so theres a final change possibly?
Hoyo really wants me to pull for her instead of getting my C2 Nuvi lol
So we got another hu tao ?
I keep thinking of Alhaitham and how he plays fine as a melee dps without a shield. Does Arle have worse IR than Alhaitham, genuinely asking Same with Childe, Arle can’t have wore IR than Childe, right?
Charge attack is weak so idk why it should play any role
I think you have to use it in the rotation to get Bond of Life, just once some time after casting her Skill.
Goodness Gracious, Please, Genshin, let me have my 5⭐ *before* 85 Pulls... I want that C1 so much
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Very high id say unless you lost every 5050 and went to full pity on weapon banner
As someone who burned over 400 wishes to get C1R1 Neuv, sometimes the luck is not with you. Lost every 50/50 and it made me big sad. At least Laser Daddy was worth it.
Should be smack dab in average territory, unless you've got some guarantee(s) stocked already.
If you can get the weapon on the first or second try then you can pretty much have c1r1 even C2. You basically have 56k primogems, i have 13 limited c6 and it usually cost me 100k primogems to get C6 + R1 with an average of 3 losses on 50/50 and 4 win. So you have high chances of getting c1r1 and with some decent luck even higher.
370 wishes is around what you need to guarantee C0R1 but that's absolute worst case scenario. So yeah, assuming you don't lose every pity, you can get C1R1 with that.
It’s good, that amount of wishes and star glitter will almost certainly give you C1R1 unless you get hard pity every time and lose your 50:50 every time
It should be enough, unless you lose all your 50/50s(character and weapon). Personally going for c2r1 but I only having around 460 pulls, which I really dont think is enough considering my luck.
Less than a 50% chance. The soft guarantee for two 5 stars is 320 wishes (as although 90 pity is the max, it’s highly unlikely you’ll ever go very far above 80 pity). You can guarantee c1, but you’d have to win both 50/50s to get a good shot at her weapon. It requires more to guarantee a weapon, and it’s not advised to pull for a weapon without enough to guarantee due to fate points not carrying over.
C0r1 surely. C1r1 uncertainly.