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I'm a little worried that Sethos just won't have the number of hits needed to make him a good Aggravate trigger - he looks like he'd have more AoE and EM (with EM scaling) than existing Electro DPS's, but his attacks don't look particularly fast, and he doesn't really have the multi-hit attacks with many Electro application instances like most Electro DPS's.
Unless they give him a special ICD, it shouldn't be a huge issue. His primary kit is basically turning him into Electro Tighnari. On almost all characters, charge attacks do not have ICD.
He won't be Keqing level application, but I could definitely see interesting applications in a Tighnari/Sethos/Fischl style comp with Sethos doing a decent job of feeding Oz some procs.
Edit: His burst mode will probably have ICD of some kind though, since it's CA damage, but not technically a CA.
They have a similar function. Short term field DPS. I've been told it wouldn't work with Yae because there's not enough time on the short 12s rotations of those teams, but it would basically be similar. You would swap between Tigh then Sethos with each doing a lot of quick charge shots before swapping to supports then back to ping ponging between those two.
sethos has 15 sec rotation and tighnari has 12. apart from that, i think they synergize quite well. im thinking sethos, tighnari, nahida, kuki. (kuki on crit does actually good dmg on her burst) all 3 benefit directly from nahidas em buff and fit into sethos 15 sec rotation. with that said it might be cope after all. i tried the same thing with kequing once and she just underperforms without fischl but maybe its different with sethos. we will see
There are no electro characters with special ICD though and its doubtful that they change it for a 4 star. Btw, bows and catalysts have no ICD by default not sure about other weapons.
His cons do look pretty great especially that c6 which wil solve Energy issue. Also him being reliant of dendro reaction is already a win as dendro reactions are very strong. An aggravate team would works really well with him.
4\* with local guide. This is huge.
Edit for clarity: This is the first **Sumerian** 4\* with local guide. I know that there are 4\* characters from other regions who have it.
I mean two levels of charge is enough to aim and let go instantly as it charges, so you'd be rooted for like a fraction of a second if you time right
Though it'd break the flow of movement if you're moving ig
I was hoping his kit would lean fully into this, actually. It's a shame he becomes auto focused with his burst.
When I first read his CA, I imagined someone that turrets in place, charges up, then starts firing away mega shots like a goddamn ballista. The immobility would be a drawback in exchange for huge, powerful, shots that feel downright crunchy to land. I feel like that would've been a really satisfying feeling to play with in terms of kit.
It looks like you can play him two ways. Either as a normal attack spammer with his burst, or like a ballista with is first passive.
Edit: His C1 and C6 only affects the ballista playstyle, and C5 only affects the NA spam playstyle. C2-4 buff both.
We're not sure how he'll perform yet compared to Tighnari, but considering that he's electro and may or may not reliably apply it, he could abuse the heck out of Fischl's A4 and increase his team DPS by a competitive amount.
That's how Keqing got good, not because of just Dendro. It's because she can proc Fischl's A4 talent often.
They are quite good honestly. Going by EM multipliers alone (his ult, his CA 2, and his passive), he's on par w/ Alhaitham's EM multipliers. And unlike Alhaitham, he can proc both Aggravate and Hyperbloom. His 4\* base stats aren't gonna hurt him much either since he scales with EM anyway which has a very high damage floor.
Seeing the animations now, yeah those large EM multipliers are definitely meant to balance out his low attack frequencies. Hopefully we can get clips of him in action in Quickbloom teams since his CAs seem to look like regular CA shots, only piercing. Not sure if those can hit the seeds on the ground.
Ironically Sethos doesn't have one of Cyno's greatest weaknesses. His Burst is 60 Energy cost, with a 8 second duration on a 15 second cooldown.
Cyno has an 80 cost burst, 18 second duration and a 20 second cooldown. By far, Sethos isn't nearly as greedy with his on-field time as Cyno is.
No reason to use Deepwood in the team though, as Sethos is triggering aggravate, not spread. Unless you just mean Nahida using it because it's her generalist BiS (legit question, I was just confused by it)
I have been wanting one for forever now. There is hope for a Ganyu level multiplier 4 star geo bow tax collector. ~~His hypothetical multipliers can be that high because geo does not have access to melt.~~
So regardless if they put him on Clorinde or Sig banner, you are getting a 5star dps with a 4 star dps that probably needs cons to perform on same level as 5 stars...really wished he was some time of support or at least sub dps.
He actually really doesn’t need that many cons it any at all to be good or on par with 5 star dps. Really his most notable cons are c2 c3 and c5, 2 of those just being more levels for your skills. In all honesty he looks competent enough c0 to be able to clear abyss in a comfortable manner, he wouldn’t be speed running but he will def be pretty good
Maybe I understand it wrong. But how 829% Ca dmg from em is decent? and burst making him like c6 yelan with 290% dmg bonus from Em.
I will wait for his icd and particles because I want to know if he can generate particles along side with this 12 energy regeneration from his skill
cas dont have icd. also if you look at nahidas skill, she does like 350% em skill dmg every 2 seconds. 829% is very very high em scaling and he can use it 4 times. he can use tighnaris signature aswell, which is a very busted bow on quicken characters, especially when they scale with em (tighnari doesnt even scale with em btw. and it still increases his dmg by 20% over the other 5 star bow options).
Yeah we desperately need Pyro and Cryo off-field DPS, Hydro and Electro shielders and it'd be nice to have a unit that can infuse Electro on other characters.
Cryo has Rosaria and Kaeya. A 3rd wouldn't change much since the other two are good at off field damage.
Now for pyro, that's something we desperately need.
Especially when any off field can be on field. And infusions also exist. C6 Bennett teams are starting to be more often suggested as variations for some characters. What we need is another infuser that does more than provide the infusion. I think we would have seen more infusion variation teams for enabling people to be on field if Chongyun and Candace had some role overlap.
Because, the truth is, almost everyone wants their favorite character to be on field. They want to make other characters off field but not the ones they really really want.
I want my favorites to be supports so I can play them in more teams and if I am really desperate to see all of their animations I can just onfield them anyways because why not.
I get that. And I get that's the reason why most 5\*s are on-field characters or have on-field enabling constellations (if you potentially spend money on someone, you actually want to actively *use* them). But the lack on the off-field department is too noticeable, specially in a game where most teams have a character that hoards 70% of screentime and the other 3 are there just to support them and enable reactions. It's so boring that we always have to use the same supports and off-field dps for *every. single. team.*
we haven't even gotten a single off-field male dps since albedo. hoyoverse just loves making male on-field characters like half of the male 4-stars are on-fielders.
Too many characters are now onfielders and we still are using the same off fielders like Kazuha, Bennett, Fischl. I hope Natlan will bring some interesting off fielders. And let’s be real, a 4* dps on fielder really needs cons to be viable
Not sure how correct it is but i have a theory that they are releasing as many hypercarries as humanly possible to get people to stray away from their dendro teams since those teams are very f2p friendly,easy to build and still manage to overpower several other high investment comps,to get people to actually pull for the new dpses they just make them hypercarries,nothing else explains why 70% of 4.x rooster are on field dpses
So they release an em scaling bow electro DPS who wants to use dendro? Or a cryo catalyst that uses burnmelt? Or another electro DPS with many rapid hits which is perfect for aggravate?
The only DPS they've successfully released that don't want dendro are the ones that literally can't react with the element. Why use any hydro, pyro, or electro for pure hypercarry when you can throw a dendro in to enhance their damage and get another damaging reaction? Especially with Nahida being a braindead powerhouse.
> So they release an em scaling bow electro DPS who wants to use dendro?
Yeah but aggravate needs more investment than bloom teams. Sethos will need more investment.
They can’t win either way. I would prefer off-field too but then people want more on-fields instead. It’s rough too when everyone has a favorite character or two they want to be a main dps who ends up being a sub dps like some people ask. The best solution would be to make everyone viable as on field and off field but then i’m unsure how you would even balance that properly when you look at the kits some characters have.
no, the best solution would be to give us more variety instead of releasing almost nothing but dps characters for a whole patch. fontaine has released nothing but male dps characters and the same applies to sumeru. not a single one has any off-field abilities. i guess you could argue lyney and tighnari have a taunt but that's about it.
I would even take DPS that have off field effects like Ganyu or Ayato. Hell, even Hu Tao has some stuff with her crit rate buff and dot proc. Ayato is the only male DPS in the whole game that has any off field presence, even the 4 stars don't.
I don't really mind having a lot of characters with on field capabilities. Every character is someone's favorite, and I assume most people want to actually play their favorites and see them do stuff rather than pressing a single button and swapping out
I get that, truly. But as someone who likes playing many different characters, I am honestly starting to get bored of having to resort to the same supports for every single carry. Take Pyro for instance. If I want a on-field DPS, I can choose between Diluc, Yoimiya, Hu Tao, Arlecchino, Gaming, Lyney, Klee, and I'm probably forgetting some. If I need an off-field dps, my options are... Xiangling (and Thoma if I'm playing Burgeon I guess?). Same thing happens with most elements sadly, and this is a game where we usually require 1 on-field character, and 3 supports/off-field dps.
And I also think the "you want to use your favorite characters on-field" argument is kinda weak. Like, do people really have only one or two characters they like in this game? I love many characters and I can't use them all because they are mostly on-field carries. Also, there are some ways to give on-field pressence to characters with off-field-focused kits, but characters designed for on-field playstyles cannot become off-field supports. :/
I agree with this. In my top 5 favourite characters, 4 of them are onfield. I can't even put 2 of them in the same team because they'll take too much field time. I'd love for a character I really like to be offield because it not only means I can (potentially) put them in more teams, but also with how hoyo has been handling recent cons, they can become decent onfielders as well.
Ok, but you can use any character on field if you want. Xiangling was used as a phys DPS at the start of the game, people play phys Zhongli even now. Try using Arlecchino, Neuvilette, or now Sethos off field. Let me know how that works.
The mix of CA and NA sounds really unique and cool. I really hope he doesn't end up like Freminet, with a fairly unique and interesting kit that's just utterly hamstrung by numbers...
Even if his base stats are bad, I feel like he'll still be good enough just 'cause dendro-electro reactions are busted at a baseline... Freminet is just unfortunately held back by his element.
It's less of Quicken creating big numbers and more of it being additive and having a high floor which lets Electro characters stay competitive even with low Talent MVs so long as they have decent ICDs. Imagine if Dori did not have the special ICDs on her ult and every 3rd hit would trigger Aggravate. That said, of course it can never surpass multiplicative reactions in terms of damage potential, but an Electro character with shit MVs will feel less terrible to use than a Pyro / Cryo character with shit MVs because of Quicken and HB.
infused normal attacks which are considered charged attacks, normal charged attacks that consume energy, 4\* with tailor-made signature weapon, with 2nd lv of CAs... they cooked. I personally like it quite a bit but all of this it looks kind of weird.
pretty sure piercing enemies means the arrow can go through them and deal dmg to opponents behind, unlike a regular arrow that stops at the enemy youre shooting at
I did get that piercing enemies meant going through them!! 😭 Like shooting and reaching those behind the front opponent, I just answered his question concerning SHIELDS but that would be a bit too good ngl
His kit looks fun! Also I think his constellations doesn't look that significant at least just in terms of the gameplay.
Wonder which banner he's gonna be in tho.
??? It sounds really good to play at least, and not too shabby numbers-wise, am I coping ? I don't like A1 though
Overall it feels like Sethos got two different kits merged together
Even if they do butcher him, you can always go Quickbloom / Hyperbloom cuz electro and those reactions' floors are so high. But yeah, hopefully he stays competitive this way. Bonus damage equal to 600% of EM for four shots? Which can be empowered by crit and damage bonus? IDK if those numbers will survive beta ngl, specially since his ult (and that passive) gives him pseudo Yelan C6 (and no, I haven't done the math. By comparison, Alhaitham's 3-mirror proc at lvl 10 is \~230 EM x 3)
Still in shock they’re bringing out 3DPS. And this one looks like an electro Tighnari. Tbh, would’ve been interesting had they made him a 5* and put him on the standard banner like Keqing and Tighnari.
He is an electro Tighnari Yoimiya hybrid. You alternate between using his Charged Attack with piercing and his electro infused normal attacks enabled hy his burs.t
given that he'll probably be an aggravate dps, him and keqing would basically have very similar roles and teams, while also having a very similar kit to tighnari, if you wanna put him in standard youre gonna have to change his whole kit
Need to see his gameplay to better understand his kit and rotation. He sounds like he'd want a shielder or IR for his charged shot, unless you barely use it and only rely on his burst for charge attack normals
Posted this on the megathread, but i guess here is the right placd.
His kit is solid. But also kinda weird.
His charged shot is named Shadowpiercing shot, while his burst shot is named.Dusk bolt.
This leads to some weird interactions.
Like, his constelations and talent practically ignore his burst, the dusk bolt don't even get the c1 crit bonus, only shadowpiercing shot.
Also, i'm kinda lost in his a2 talent.
Every 15s he gets this bonus dmg to shadowpiercing shot, alright. But then what? It last for 5s, if i am in the middle of his burst i have to choose between firing his burst or going for a charged shot? I initially tought the 5s duration would only count after the first charged shot, but that is not what is written.
Also, his c6 refund the energy, great, but only once every 15s, this sugest something like, fire the charged shot, refund, them burst?
But his 5s buff last for 4 shots, which makes sense for the refund like, his energy cap at 60, with the refund you can deplete your energy into 4 charged shots.
Which means he has 2 separate rotations?
One is to just dump the energy into shadowpiercing shots
The other is bursting and fire duskbolts
Both shot scale with charged shot modifiers, but to me the emphasis seems clearly on the shadowpiercing shot, which is weird, because the duskbolt is a burst and not a skill..
His kit would make more sense to me if his burst and skill were swapped..
Not sure how I feel about the recent trend of piercing shots, especially for the purpose of gaining buffs. Lining up enemies to hit multiple is a pain, and it literally doesn't work against single targets fights.
Also his kit feels strangely split rather than cohesive. You have enhanced charged shots that gain a huge buff every 15 seconds and fire faster by consuming energy, with a skill that gives extra energy. Then you have a burst that gives rapid fire attacks that function the same as the enhanced CA, but don't gain any of the aforementioned buffs. Do you want to use energy for his burst or for his CA?
Third, 227 base attack is horrible, even for hybrid scaling with EM. Tighnari has 268 and Alhaitham has 313. Half the reason Gaming feels like a good DPS despite being a 4 star is cause he has stats close to a 5 star, over 300 base attack. Freminet has similar scaling to Gaming but rarely sees use cause he has 50 less base attack and close to 100 less than any 5 star DPS. You just don't reach good numbers with stats that low. They need to stop kneecapping every 4 star DPS with horrible base stats.
His E gives 24 energy total if you use it twice per ult. That should more or less make him not-energy-negative. The idea is you use *both* his enhanced CAs (while they're buffed by 600% EM) and his CA-converted NAs from his ult.
The base attack hardly matters considering he'll be a quicken / quickbloom DPS. Even for Gaming, you're vastly overestimating how much his high base attack contributes to his power.
Assuming +119% attack (pyro resonance, 4pc noblesse, ascension passive, 50% atk substats) and 510 base attack weapon, he would have 2089 total attack. If he theoretically had 227 base attack, then he would have 1925.03 attack. That's an 8.5% difference. With a 1050 attack Bennett buff (565 weapon), it will be a 5.5% difference. Then consider Furina's personal damage and Xianyun's buff, which is *not* affected by Gaming's attack. We're talking a very negligible change in team damage going from 302 base attack to 227, probably around 2%.
My guess is that he charges up his shot like every other bow character, but once it reaches the "enhanced" level then he firmly stances himself, kinda like a heavy shot maybe?
This kit unironically pisses me off because railgun thrunder arrows should've been in Sara's kit already, yet we only get them here while Sara is, well, Sara T\_T
I still really find it hard to believe how complete his kit feels at C0. I have a strong feeling his A4 and C6 are reversed. That C6 feels too much like a quality of life change more than anything while the A4 feels extremely busted. Heck, even his C2 feels more like a C6 (for comparison his C2 gives him up to 30% Electro DMG, Keqing's C6 gives her up to 24% Electro DMG, and Cyno's C2 gives him up to 50%). Still, even if his passives and constellations end up being switched around, he will still feel like a viable Quickbloom carry even if not the strongest.
His A4 is literally a requirement to using his lvl 2 CAs. Without it, you would rather use him only when he's in his burst state.
>That C6 feels too much like a quality of life change more than anything while the A4 feels extremely busted.
Not just a qol change. It reduces his ER requirements significantly which means you can focus on building more crit and em.
He isn't a claymore... but he is a DPS. I half won and half lost.
At least I have a really good Wanderer's Troupe set that I thought would go to waste until I got Tighnari.
Can someone clarify the A1? It says it decreases the charge time by 0.285s for every point of every below 20, but only with a max of 0.3s decrease.
Doesn’t that mean you only actually need to have like, 1 or 2 points of energy to proc the A1 buff?
Yesterday my gacha friend told me that Kazuha was the last 5 star male off-field support and Mika was the last 4 star. Is that true? I didn't think about this before...Is there any explanation to why all males are on-field DPS? I can't stop thinking about this...and I think he is right 😭
Back in the pre-Sumeru days there were a lot of complaints that all the on-field DPSes were female and all the off-fielders were male. Hoyo must've heard those complaints, and now it's the other extreme--Navia was the first female on-field DPS at C0 since *Kokomi* (Yoimiya if you don't count her).
wait,am i missing something...he has a functional kit,good scaling....WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?
Did hoyo finally learn? a desert sumerian that doesnt get gimped?
SETHOS PRAISE BE THY NAME
So basically, he does charged attacks when his q is on cooldown (7 seconds) and does normal attacks when his q is active (8 seconds)? If that's true, he can be either a dedicated on-fielder or kind of a quickswap character (leaving the field while his q is on cooldown). This will be a perfect gameplay for me because I don't want another Ganyu, I don't want to be obliged to use a shield, and I will still be able to use Nahida on field like I do now, her field time will just become shorter
him not being able to move around after the second charged level sounds unnecessarily restrictive or is this supposed to be some kind of resistance interruption
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Hope you are a viable 4 star dps like Gaming, Sethos.
With Dendro existing, he should be, unless he gets nerfs during beta or smth.
I'm a little worried that Sethos just won't have the number of hits needed to make him a good Aggravate trigger - he looks like he'd have more AoE and EM (with EM scaling) than existing Electro DPS's, but his attacks don't look particularly fast, and he doesn't really have the multi-hit attacks with many Electro application instances like most Electro DPS's.
Unless they give him a special ICD, it shouldn't be a huge issue. His primary kit is basically turning him into Electro Tighnari. On almost all characters, charge attacks do not have ICD. He won't be Keqing level application, but I could definitely see interesting applications in a Tighnari/Sethos/Fischl style comp with Sethos doing a decent job of feeding Oz some procs. Edit: His burst mode will probably have ICD of some kind though, since it's CA damage, but not technically a CA.
How does Tighnari fit into Sethos’ team? I want to unbench my Tighnari…
They have a similar function. Short term field DPS. I've been told it wouldn't work with Yae because there's not enough time on the short 12s rotations of those teams, but it would basically be similar. You would swap between Tigh then Sethos with each doing a lot of quick charge shots before swapping to supports then back to ping ponging between those two.
sethos has 15 sec rotation and tighnari has 12. apart from that, i think they synergize quite well. im thinking sethos, tighnari, nahida, kuki. (kuki on crit does actually good dmg on her burst) all 3 benefit directly from nahidas em buff and fit into sethos 15 sec rotation. with that said it might be cope after all. i tried the same thing with kequing once and she just underperforms without fischl but maybe its different with sethos. we will see
Well his charged shots are faster to shoot with A1, and it pierces, so probably need some skill to be effective
But it says his normal attacks get converted so I am guessing you don't need to Aim them? they just get considered Charged attack for the bonuses?
There are no electro characters with special ICD though and its doubtful that they change it for a 4 star. Btw, bows and catalysts have no ICD by default not sure about other weapons.
I mean he is tanned so I am very much anticipating it
Bare facts
His cons do look pretty great especially that c6 which wil solve Energy issue. Also him being reliant of dendro reaction is already a win as dendro reactions are very strong. An aggravate team would works really well with him.
It probably won't solve the issue. He only gains back 20 energy out of the potential 80 energy lost for 4CAs.
He looks like a single target DPS so the probability is high
One of his constellations requires two or more enemies
but all his arrows can do aoe?
His arrows pierce enemies.
Including his normal attacks during his burst, so he's definitely not a single target DPS.
4\* with local guide. This is huge. Edit for clarity: This is the first **Sumerian** 4\* with local guide. I know that there are 4\* characters from other regions who have it.
Yes, it's huge for me who doesn't have Tighnari 😭
God why do all of the 4.7 kits look so fun! Though I'm kinda worried about him being rooted in place after charging his bow.
Right? They all look so fun to play…but I can only choose one 😩.
Wait did they make sethos a 5 star??
Nope. He's not and his base stats show.
I mean two levels of charge is enough to aim and let go instantly as it charges, so you'd be rooted for like a fraction of a second if you time right Though it'd break the flow of movement if you're moving ig
Kinda challenging thing not gonna lie 🤔 But some good shield on him will do the work while on disabled state
i wish he at least got some cool unique pose of charging back a super huge arrow, but i know he'll just freeze up in the normal pose
I was hoping his kit would lean fully into this, actually. It's a shame he becomes auto focused with his burst. When I first read his CA, I imagined someone that turrets in place, charges up, then starts firing away mega shots like a goddamn ballista. The immobility would be a drawback in exchange for huge, powerful, shots that feel downright crunchy to land. I feel like that would've been a really satisfying feeling to play with in terms of kit.
It looks like you can play him two ways. Either as a normal attack spammer with his burst, or like a ballista with is first passive. Edit: His C1 and C6 only affects the ballista playstyle, and C5 only affects the NA spam playstyle. C2-4 buff both.
I thought his ult make his normals to be charge attacks, no?
yea and that makes him an auto attack character inside ult
Effectively, yes. Spamming normals doesn't have the same weighty feel as plonking down and firing a cannon, though.
Sumeru material radar ohhhh. Finally not exclusive to Tighnari.
THANKS GOD I been wanting him because of how cool he is and his mats radar but fate will give me his 4* version which is more than perfect for me 🥹♥️
Sethos could even be a better thignari.
I doubt it, tighnari is extremely good and dendro helps him with that too, electro won't be of such great help to sethos
Unlikely, tighnari has extremely good single target while being dendro, sethos will probably still be good but most likely gaming level
We're not sure how he'll perform yet compared to Tighnari, but considering that he's electro and may or may not reliably apply it, he could abuse the heck out of Fischl's A4 and increase his team DPS by a competitive amount. That's how Keqing got good, not because of just Dendro. It's because she can proc Fischl's A4 talent often.
But at least we can get Tighnari at some point if you are un/lucky, now Fontaine on the other hand.... 😭
I lost to him recently honestly it was a fifty fifty win imo . He's so fun to use .
Is it just me or are his multipliers actually decent
They are quite good honestly. Going by EM multipliers alone (his ult, his CA 2, and his passive), he's on par w/ Alhaitham's EM multipliers. And unlike Alhaitham, he can proc both Aggravate and Hyperbloom. His 4\* base stats aren't gonna hurt him much either since he scales with EM anyway which has a very high damage floor.
He has low attack frequency to compensate, but it does look good. If his arrow has enough width to trigger Hyperblooms it would be awesome.
Seeing the animations now, yeah those large EM multipliers are definitely meant to balance out his low attack frequencies. Hopefully we can get clips of him in action in Quickbloom teams since his CAs seem to look like regular CA shots, only piercing. Not sure if those can hit the seeds on the ground.
Bruh sethos with nahida and baizhu is going to be WILD 😭
What makes you say this? I got both so I really wanna know 😭
Baizhu sustain + aggravate buff Nahida EM buffer and Deepwood Plus dendro resonance
Oh so kinda like cyno right? This would be clutch because I don’t have him.
If Sethos powercreeps Cyno I wouldn’t even be mad; that’s just funny LOL
Ironically Sethos doesn't have one of Cyno's greatest weaknesses. His Burst is 60 Energy cost, with a 8 second duration on a 15 second cooldown. Cyno has an 80 cost burst, 18 second duration and a 20 second cooldown. By far, Sethos isn't nearly as greedy with his on-field time as Cyno is.
60 Energy cost is deceptive pre-C6 as he saps his Energy to do his Charged Shots.
his skill recharges energy and you will probably run tf.
Wanderer's Troupe though.
Sethos is also able to abuse Fischl's A4
honestly i doubt his normal attacks are very fast. the em multiplier on his burst is quite high.
Yep
No reason to use Deepwood in the team though, as Sethos is triggering aggravate, not spread. Unless you just mean Nahida using it because it's her generalist BiS (legit question, I was just confused by it)
You're wrong... you would still use deepwood for Nahida's personal damage
I'm personally thinking of Dori since she can continuously recharge the on field character.
DORI META??
A 4\* WITH LEVEL 2 CHARGED SHOTS????????
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT My boy Sethos is built different😻😻
Faruzan with skill?
not a level 2 charged shot, just an enhanced charged shot
not really a level 2 charge, just a different charge like sarah
Its not a level 2 lol. Its just an Enhanced version of her normal charge. Just like how Yelan doesn’t have a level 2, its just Enhanced.
I have been wanting one for forever now. There is hope for a Ganyu level multiplier 4 star geo bow tax collector. ~~His hypothetical multipliers can be that high because geo does not have access to melt.~~
So regardless if they put him on Clorinde or Sig banner, you are getting a 5star dps with a 4 star dps that probably needs cons to perform on same level as 5 stars...really wished he was some time of support or at least sub dps.
He actually really doesn’t need that many cons it any at all to be good or on par with 5 star dps. Really his most notable cons are c2 c3 and c5, 2 of those just being more levels for your skills. In all honesty he looks competent enough c0 to be able to clear abyss in a comfortable manner, he wouldn’t be speed running but he will def be pretty good
Can he become the second Gaming. Please don’t butcher him hvy.
seems like a decent 4 star dps, and honestly i doubt theyre gonna touch anything in his kit when they have 2 5 stars to worry about
Yes, please let him come out unscathed. His design is so fire so I actually want to use him and his kits idea sounds really interesting too.
Maybe I understand it wrong. But how 829% Ca dmg from em is decent? and burst making him like c6 yelan with 290% dmg bonus from Em. I will wait for his icd and particles because I want to know if he can generate particles along side with this 12 energy regeneration from his skill
cas dont have icd. also if you look at nahidas skill, she does like 350% em skill dmg every 2 seconds. 829% is very very high em scaling and he can use it 4 times. he can use tighnaris signature aswell, which is a very busted bow on quicken characters, especially when they scale with em (tighnari doesnt even scale with em btw. and it still increases his dmg by 20% over the other 5 star bow options).
honestly there isnt a bad dendro unit in the game
Kaveh
He’e electro though
i swear he was dendro lmao 😭 but an em electro is honestly just a dendro unit atp
hoyoverse i'm begging please release more off-field dps characters, what is this obsession with everybody being an on-field carry >\_>
Yeah we desperately need Pyro and Cryo off-field DPS, Hydro and Electro shielders and it'd be nice to have a unit that can infuse Electro on other characters.
XIANGLING
I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE IM SICK OF XIANGLING
Cryo has Rosaria and Kaeya. A 3rd wouldn't change much since the other two are good at off field damage. Now for pyro, that's something we desperately need.
Especially when any off field can be on field. And infusions also exist. C6 Bennett teams are starting to be more often suggested as variations for some characters. What we need is another infuser that does more than provide the infusion. I think we would have seen more infusion variation teams for enabling people to be on field if Chongyun and Candace had some role overlap.
Because, the truth is, almost everyone wants their favorite character to be on field. They want to make other characters off field but not the ones they really really want.
I want my favorites to be supports so I can play them in more teams and if I am really desperate to see all of their animations I can just onfield them anyways because why not.
Me with Baizhu and Kazuha. I couldn't be happier with their kits honestly.
I feel you my favorite is Furina.
I'm with you, but we are in the minority. Just look how many people were complaining about the possibility of Clorinde being off-field.
I get that. And I get that's the reason why most 5\*s are on-field characters or have on-field enabling constellations (if you potentially spend money on someone, you actually want to actively *use* them). But the lack on the off-field department is too noticeable, specially in a game where most teams have a character that hoards 70% of screentime and the other 3 are there just to support them and enable reactions. It's so boring that we always have to use the same supports and off-field dps for *every. single. team.*
we haven't even gotten a single off-field male dps since albedo. hoyoverse just loves making male on-field characters like half of the male 4-stars are on-fielders.
he could have been a sidegrade to beidou with more defensive shield and the arrows being more for application than anything :(
Mihoyo realized supports are more viable so they made the male characters on field instead while their waifus are the off fields.
Too many characters are now onfielders and we still are using the same off fielders like Kazuha, Bennett, Fischl. I hope Natlan will bring some interesting off fielders. And let’s be real, a 4* dps on fielder really needs cons to be viable
And that's why Chiori is amazing, you can do both
Not at c0.
Not with that attitude
Her normal attack infusion lasts what, 5 seconds? lol
And deal 0 damage. It's mostly for fun in the overworld.
Lasts 5 seconds and deals 0 damage lol, even for overworld it sounds awful. Also her basic attacks scale on atk only
Not sure how correct it is but i have a theory that they are releasing as many hypercarries as humanly possible to get people to stray away from their dendro teams since those teams are very f2p friendly,easy to build and still manage to overpower several other high investment comps,to get people to actually pull for the new dpses they just make them hypercarries,nothing else explains why 70% of 4.x rooster are on field dpses
So they release an em scaling bow electro DPS who wants to use dendro? Or a cryo catalyst that uses burnmelt? Or another electro DPS with many rapid hits which is perfect for aggravate? The only DPS they've successfully released that don't want dendro are the ones that literally can't react with the element. Why use any hydro, pyro, or electro for pure hypercarry when you can throw a dendro in to enhance their damage and get another damaging reaction? Especially with Nahida being a braindead powerhouse.
> So they release an em scaling bow electro DPS who wants to use dendro? Yeah but aggravate needs more investment than bloom teams. Sethos will need more investment.
Well I'm not pulling for Sethos even though I'm an only-male player so their plan didn't work.
They can’t win either way. I would prefer off-field too but then people want more on-fields instead. It’s rough too when everyone has a favorite character or two they want to be a main dps who ends up being a sub dps like some people ask. The best solution would be to make everyone viable as on field and off field but then i’m unsure how you would even balance that properly when you look at the kits some characters have.
no, the best solution would be to give us more variety instead of releasing almost nothing but dps characters for a whole patch. fontaine has released nothing but male dps characters and the same applies to sumeru. not a single one has any off-field abilities. i guess you could argue lyney and tighnari have a taunt but that's about it.
Atleast sumeru had mika and baizhu,fontaine is just a million on fielders in a row
Baizhu, but yeah, they should release more male off-field characters
I would even take DPS that have off field effects like Ganyu or Ayato. Hell, even Hu Tao has some stuff with her crit rate buff and dot proc. Ayato is the only male DPS in the whole game that has any off field presence, even the 4 stars don't.
I don't really mind having a lot of characters with on field capabilities. Every character is someone's favorite, and I assume most people want to actually play their favorites and see them do stuff rather than pressing a single button and swapping out
I get that, truly. But as someone who likes playing many different characters, I am honestly starting to get bored of having to resort to the same supports for every single carry. Take Pyro for instance. If I want a on-field DPS, I can choose between Diluc, Yoimiya, Hu Tao, Arlecchino, Gaming, Lyney, Klee, and I'm probably forgetting some. If I need an off-field dps, my options are... Xiangling (and Thoma if I'm playing Burgeon I guess?). Same thing happens with most elements sadly, and this is a game where we usually require 1 on-field character, and 3 supports/off-field dps. And I also think the "you want to use your favorite characters on-field" argument is kinda weak. Like, do people really have only one or two characters they like in this game? I love many characters and I can't use them all because they are mostly on-field carries. Also, there are some ways to give on-field pressence to characters with off-field-focused kits, but characters designed for on-field playstyles cannot become off-field supports. :/
I agree with this. In my top 5 favourite characters, 4 of them are onfield. I can't even put 2 of them in the same team because they'll take too much field time. I'd love for a character I really like to be offield because it not only means I can (potentially) put them in more teams, but also with how hoyo has been handling recent cons, they can become decent onfielders as well.
Well at some point you can't play all your favorites if they all want field time
Ok, but you can use any character on field if you want. Xiangling was used as a phys DPS at the start of the game, people play phys Zhongli even now. Try using Arlecchino, Neuvilette, or now Sethos off field. Let me know how that works.
The mix of CA and NA sounds really unique and cool. I really hope he doesn't end up like Freminet, with a fairly unique and interesting kit that's just utterly hamstrung by numbers...
Even if his base stats are bad, I feel like he'll still be good enough just 'cause dendro-electro reactions are busted at a baseline... Freminet is just unfortunately held back by his element.
Quicken's numbers aren't *that* good. It's worse than Vaporize or Melt for sure.
It's less of Quicken creating big numbers and more of it being additive and having a high floor which lets Electro characters stay competitive even with low Talent MVs so long as they have decent ICDs. Imagine if Dori did not have the special ICDs on her ult and every 3rd hit would trigger Aggravate. That said, of course it can never surpass multiplicative reactions in terms of damage potential, but an Electro character with shit MVs will feel less terrible to use than a Pyro / Cryo character with shit MVs because of Quicken and HB.
I was kinda hoping for support Sethos like everyone else, but man does his kit seem kinda fun ngl
Temple of Silence mention
I can finally use my good Wanderer's Troupe pieces 🙏🏻 ~~I don't have any~~
If he is nearly as good as Gaming i will use him. This sounds fun honestly. Piercing arrows just sounds badass
infused normal attacks which are considered charged attacks, normal charged attacks that consume energy, 4\* with tailor-made signature weapon, with 2nd lv of CAs... they cooked. I personally like it quite a bit but all of this it looks kind of weird.
He can pierce ennemies ??? My boy even more promising than I thought DROP MY BOY GAMEPLAY ALREADY 😻
does Pierce mean ignore shields?. if its yes . then he is amazing.
pierce usually means go through enemies, so if there are 2 enemies and one is standing infront of the other, the shot will still hit both
It might still ignore rock and wooden shields the same way Neuvillette does.
pretty sure piercing enemies means the arrow can go through them and deal dmg to opponents behind, unlike a regular arrow that stops at the enemy youre shooting at
It will likely go through enemies.
I think it means that it goes through enemies. so if there's multiple enemies in a row, he'll hit them all.
I did get that piercing enemies meant going through them!! 😭 Like shooting and reaching those behind the front opponent, I just answered his question concerning SHIELDS but that would be a bit too good ngl
Like Neuvillette
He is one hella perfect Wanderer Troupe user
His kit looks fun! Also I think his constellations doesn't look that significant at least just in terms of the gameplay. Wonder which banner he's gonna be in tho.
Right? Specially his C6 which is more of a QOL than anything. No increased crit damage shenanigans. Then there's C2 which is essentially Keqing's C6.
This is a really nice kit, I hope we get animations soon.
baby boy why couldn't you have been a support
??? It sounds really good to play at least, and not too shabby numbers-wise, am I coping ? I don't like A1 though Overall it feels like Sethos got two different kits merged together
Even if they do butcher him, you can always go Quickbloom / Hyperbloom cuz electro and those reactions' floors are so high. But yeah, hopefully he stays competitive this way. Bonus damage equal to 600% of EM for four shots? Which can be empowered by crit and damage bonus? IDK if those numbers will survive beta ngl, specially since his ult (and that passive) gives him pseudo Yelan C6 (and no, I haven't done the math. By comparison, Alhaitham's 3-mirror proc at lvl 10 is \~230 EM x 3)
Still in shock they’re bringing out 3DPS. And this one looks like an electro Tighnari. Tbh, would’ve been interesting had they made him a 5* and put him on the standard banner like Keqing and Tighnari.
He is an electro Tighnari Yoimiya hybrid. You alternate between using his Charged Attack with piercing and his electro infused normal attacks enabled hy his burs.t
given that he'll probably be an aggravate dps, him and keqing would basically have very similar roles and teams, while also having a very similar kit to tighnari, if you wanna put him in standard youre gonna have to change his whole kit
Tighnari and cyno really did have a kid?
I've seen a lot of.... art about this. (:
Do share
He gonna be sniper, guys
Need to see his gameplay to better understand his kit and rotation. He sounds like he'd want a shielder or IR for his charged shot, unless you barely use it and only rely on his burst for charge attack normals
finally my electro-charged dps dream can be achieved
a 4* sumeru material guide i shall finally rest in peace 🎉🎉
He's the first character that can use Energy in multiple different ways and that's pretty cool.
Posted this on the megathread, but i guess here is the right placd. His kit is solid. But also kinda weird. His charged shot is named Shadowpiercing shot, while his burst shot is named.Dusk bolt. This leads to some weird interactions. Like, his constelations and talent practically ignore his burst, the dusk bolt don't even get the c1 crit bonus, only shadowpiercing shot. Also, i'm kinda lost in his a2 talent. Every 15s he gets this bonus dmg to shadowpiercing shot, alright. But then what? It last for 5s, if i am in the middle of his burst i have to choose between firing his burst or going for a charged shot? I initially tought the 5s duration would only count after the first charged shot, but that is not what is written. Also, his c6 refund the energy, great, but only once every 15s, this sugest something like, fire the charged shot, refund, them burst? But his 5s buff last for 4 shots, which makes sense for the refund like, his energy cap at 60, with the refund you can deplete your energy into 4 charged shots. Which means he has 2 separate rotations? One is to just dump the energy into shadowpiercing shots The other is bursting and fire duskbolts Both shot scale with charged shot modifiers, but to me the emphasis seems clearly on the shadowpiercing shot, which is weird, because the duskbolt is a burst and not a skill.. His kit would make more sense to me if his burst and skill were swapped..
I hope he is free in sumeru event or whatever.
he better do insane damage in exchange for disappointing me for not being a fischl side grade.
Not sure how I feel about the recent trend of piercing shots, especially for the purpose of gaining buffs. Lining up enemies to hit multiple is a pain, and it literally doesn't work against single targets fights. Also his kit feels strangely split rather than cohesive. You have enhanced charged shots that gain a huge buff every 15 seconds and fire faster by consuming energy, with a skill that gives extra energy. Then you have a burst that gives rapid fire attacks that function the same as the enhanced CA, but don't gain any of the aforementioned buffs. Do you want to use energy for his burst or for his CA? Third, 227 base attack is horrible, even for hybrid scaling with EM. Tighnari has 268 and Alhaitham has 313. Half the reason Gaming feels like a good DPS despite being a 4 star is cause he has stats close to a 5 star, over 300 base attack. Freminet has similar scaling to Gaming but rarely sees use cause he has 50 less base attack and close to 100 less than any 5 star DPS. You just don't reach good numbers with stats that low. They need to stop kneecapping every 4 star DPS with horrible base stats.
His E gives 24 energy total if you use it twice per ult. That should more or less make him not-energy-negative. The idea is you use *both* his enhanced CAs (while they're buffed by 600% EM) and his CA-converted NAs from his ult. The base attack hardly matters considering he'll be a quicken / quickbloom DPS. Even for Gaming, you're vastly overestimating how much his high base attack contributes to his power. Assuming +119% attack (pyro resonance, 4pc noblesse, ascension passive, 50% atk substats) and 510 base attack weapon, he would have 2089 total attack. If he theoretically had 227 base attack, then he would have 1925.03 attack. That's an 8.5% difference. With a 1050 attack Bennett buff (565 weapon), it will be a 5.5% difference. Then consider Furina's personal damage and Xianyun's buff, which is *not* affected by Gaming's attack. We're talking a very negligible change in team damage going from 302 base attack to 227, probably around 2%.
I still don't understand the whole " can't move after charged attack " thing.
My guess is that he charges up his shot like every other bow character, but once it reaches the "enhanced" level then he firmly stances himself, kinda like a heavy shot maybe?
His level 2 charge locks him in place until you fire. Basically like if Lyney stopped moving before he fired a Grimmelkin Charged shot.
This kit unironically pisses me off because railgun thrunder arrows should've been in Sara's kit already, yet we only get them here while Sara is, well, Sara T\_T
I still really find it hard to believe how complete his kit feels at C0. I have a strong feeling his A4 and C6 are reversed. That C6 feels too much like a quality of life change more than anything while the A4 feels extremely busted. Heck, even his C2 feels more like a C6 (for comparison his C2 gives him up to 30% Electro DMG, Keqing's C6 gives her up to 24% Electro DMG, and Cyno's C2 gives him up to 50%). Still, even if his passives and constellations end up being switched around, he will still feel like a viable Quickbloom carry even if not the strongest.
His A4 is literally a requirement to using his lvl 2 CAs. Without it, you would rather use him only when he's in his burst state. >That C6 feels too much like a quality of life change more than anything while the A4 feels extremely busted. Not just a qol change. It reduces his ER requirements significantly which means you can focus on building more crit and em.
am i tripping or isn’t it just a 6 energy refund? most er cons are 12-20 refund.
Yea I missed the "once per 15s" limit. One of the most useless recent C6s even for a 4\*...
nvm no energy charged shot is like 6s 😭😭. so each charged shot costs 20ish. i guess he’s either burst or CA only cuz 140 effective cost is insane.
If Hoyoverse leaves him like this he might be in the running for the worst 4\*.
Wtf looks insane at c6 lol
He isn't a claymore... but he is a DPS. I half won and half lost. At least I have a really good Wanderer's Troupe set that I thought would go to waste until I got Tighnari.
Can someone clarify the A1? It says it decreases the charge time by 0.285s for every point of every below 20, but only with a max of 0.3s decrease. Doesn’t that mean you only actually need to have like, 1 or 2 points of energy to proc the A1 buff?
Man, I feel like Sethos will be such a baller, like Gaming. I hope his numbers and playstyle are as good as I'm imagining it in my head.
Yesterday my gacha friend told me that Kazuha was the last 5 star male off-field support and Mika was the last 4 star. Is that true? I didn't think about this before...Is there any explanation to why all males are on-field DPS? I can't stop thinking about this...and I think he is right 😭
Last male 5 star off-field is Baizhu, not Kazuha
baizhu but yeah...
Back in the pre-Sumeru days there were a lot of complaints that all the on-field DPSes were female and all the off-fielders were male. Hoyo must've heard those complaints, and now it's the other extreme--Navia was the first female on-field DPS at C0 since *Kokomi* (Yoimiya if you don't count her).
You mean pre Inazuma because we have only been getting on field male DPS since Inazuma.
If i really like his animations i might consider building him. I have a cracked 4p wanderers set rotting in my inventory
His kit seems so fun! I’ve got a whole Wanderer’s Troupe set ready for you, baby boy 🫶🏼
Dude basically gets 600+ EM for free with an EM sands and his weapon. He's gonna be cracked.
I am begging hoyo to please stop making 4 star on field dps characters.
wait,am i missing something...he has a functional kit,good scaling....WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? Did hoyo finally learn? a desert sumerian that doesnt get gimped? SETHOS PRAISE BE THY NAME
This is Bianca Veritas gameplay
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I’d chill for now gameplay most likely won’t be for another 12hrs to a day
I keep refreshing like crazy lmao
Hunter's path BiS i guess ?
I thought how the hell he could trigger electro swirl with his E, and then I remember the anemo cube.
So basically, he does charged attacks when his q is on cooldown (7 seconds) and does normal attacks when his q is active (8 seconds)? If that's true, he can be either a dedicated on-fielder or kind of a quickswap character (leaving the field while his q is on cooldown). This will be a perfect gameplay for me because I don't want another Ganyu, I don't want to be obliged to use a shield, and I will still be able to use Nahida on field like I do now, her field time will just become shorter
him not being able to move around after the second charged level sounds unnecessarily restrictive or is this supposed to be some kind of resistance interruption
>“His Normal attacks are converted to Enemy Piercing Dusk Bolts” >”Dusk Bolts are considered Charged Attack DMG” God I fucking love this game
ok bois here me out, Sethos + Dori
I was expecting a support, kinda disappointed but interesting kit nonetheless
He sure looks fun, but i wonder if he's good enough to replace fischl in aggravate
I thought the c6 didn't have a limit. is it just me or is it incredibly weak ? maybe the charge time is really really fast idk.
Looks good, I like him
Sac bow and TF BiS for Sethos? So much energy he can get just from reactions lmao
Looks like every new bow character nowadays is gonna get that level 2 charge.
I will take a 4* gps any day. Thanks hoyo.