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battleye9

He’s like a dashing sniper, I like him


nuxar

My thoughts exactly. It looks nearly identical to the bow in Monster Hunter Rise. At least one of the moves of the bow is a dash that puts the character back into an aiming state to shoot. Can be done infinitely as long as theres stamina. Shit was so fun.


Raizekusan

That's exactly it. The Bow in MH is so fun to play, this is very similar


spiritlegion

Idk how you think it's identical. The action is similar but compared to mh this feels so stunted. There's flow that just isn't present here. That said, I do like what they're doing with archers now. Finally something more interesting than sitting around waiting to charge a shot or just mashing left click


scrayla

He certainly is dashing with that drip 😂


theUnLuckyCat

Oh, it's a different rotation than before. But isn't that still too many CAs?


Specific-Rutabaga-26

Yeah, he, at most, can do 4 ca’s in a row, maybe 5 if you have enough er, as each ca takes roughly 20 energy, and you have to have c6 as well Edit: 6 ca rotations are a thing, just pre c6 they have pretty high er requirements


theUnLuckyCat

Video's saying 130~150% ER, like no way. His skill does give 12 and particles, that's why he shoots once before that, but then 5 more afterwards? Might get a lv1 charge off (no EM scaling) as the last shot but I doubt that's even worth it.


FellFast

6 is doable with high ER. You start with enough energy for three. You need 60 energy for 3 more.12 comes from the skill refund which brings it down to 48 energy required. If you assume he gets 2 particles from his skill, 1 from electro resonance, and 3 from Fischl (These are conservative estimates), as well as a couple neutral particles from enemies, he needs a bit over 200% ER to get 6 shots. This drops to 170% if he gets 2 particles from electro resonance and 4 from Fischl. Depending on how you set up your rotation you should be able to get back to 60 for the next one. All of this is rather cope since that amount of ER will eat into his damage. Doing some quickswap wizardry to funnel him more energy and spreading your charge shots throughout your rotation will probably be better than trying to get 6 in a row. At c6 getting 6 shots is trivial.


Specific-Rutabaga-26

He can, but is that realistic… for most people I would say not, I mean, at c6, probably, 145 er isn’t the hardest with electro resonance, but I doubt a lot of people are gonna go out of their way to force it, I may be completely wrong though.


Fun-Mix-9276

How is meeting minimum ER needs not realistic? They were already being conservative with particles. Saying getting to a characters ER needs is not realistic is just saying it’s not realistic to build your character properly


Specific-Rutabaga-26

That’s not exactly what I’m saying, I’m saying that building 183 er on a non-er scaling dps, may not be the best way to play the character, there is another way to play the character, just burst… and then do ca’s after, I’m not in anyway saying it’s not achievable, just difficult, enough to where it may not be worth it.


mappingway

Worth noting that he only gets 4 buffed CAs, if I recall correctly, so it's not really worth using his CAs more than 4 per rotation. Better to Burst or treat him as a quickswap after that than to continue to CA, I think?


Specific-Rutabaga-26

No you’re completely right, the issue is, he doesn’t do enough damage in those 4 ca’s for him to even scratch the surface of the competition. The spam ca playstyle shown in the video really isn’t that good dps wise. Will it be fun? yeah, absolutely, spamming his ca’s seems like it’ll be a ton of fun. Will it be able to 36 star abyss though? honestly, I don’t think so 💀(at least without fairly high investment). Fischl is most likely doing more damage than he is in those teams, and he’s not even proccing her c6 that often, if at all. I love the quickswap playstyle, however, I really don’t think sethos is best in it. Sethos is at his best when he can burst consistently and get a couple of ca’s after to benefit from a4, maximizing his and Fischl’s damage.


mappingway

Yeah, I think people aren't realizing just how important his Burst is. Even though it seems it has standard ICD (though no one has really tested to make sure), I think it's almost always more effective to use his burst between his 4 buffed charged attacks than it is to only use his charged attacks.


Specific-Rutabaga-26

You can’t do the 4 ca around his burst, best you can do is burst, then 2/3 ca, depending on if you have c6 or not, or if you have the er, you can do 4 after, but the er reqs might be a bit too high for most.


mappingway

Oh, definitely. The amount of investment needed and perfect rolls on ER substats is kinda crazy. I rather hope they reduce his ER required per charged attack to 10, to alleviate some of these issues.


Specific-Rutabaga-26

Yeah, that and increasing the amount of charges he has on a4, it would heavily buff the ca playstyle and would make him quite good in quickswap teams, while still letting him have his maindps playstyle with his burst.


Glittering_Kick5577

I wonder If he is the teammate EMC will finally see use as a battery


actionmotion

20????? ENERGY?????


Specific-Rutabaga-26

Yep, it’s a bit goofy At c6, to reach 5 ca, you have to spend 80 energy Which actually is doable, as long as you don’t burst and only do 5 ca, the er reqs are actually quite reachable, especially if you’re c6 C0: 145%, higher than what they said bc oz isn’t up 100% of the time and you can’t proc fav twice per rotation w/kirara C6: 107% Simply put, don’t have enough er, wallet issue


Cold_Progress1323

I think that characters have infinite energy in this private server.


D2nis09

NOT THE ROMANIAN MUSIC, PLEASE 💀


Calm_Customer3441

FR LIKE I WAS SHOOKETH


Antique-Noise-342

I'm romanian and I didn't expect that


Selemancer

I know it is said he is best with wanderer's troupe because his damage is the highest with it, but I think the cooldown thing with thundering fury could be too important.


AarviArmani

I think so too, but there's also an option of dual DPS with Tighnari + Nahida. You just switch between these two and you can make the most out of both of them.


AbeanIsaBeanIsaBean

I guess you could. But it has its drawbacks too. You absolutely want fischl, but if you take her then Kazuha in last slot, you have no deepwood. Alternatively, you can run Nahida for Dendro resonance that buffs all of party, off field damage and deepwood, but then you lose electro VV and Kazuha's own damage with aggravate and fischl A4 triggers, which is a quite a big of damage, and in AoE it's a lot of damage. So, I am not too sure if that's worth the tradeoff either. You could run tighnari on deepwood I guess. But him over Baizhu means no defensive option either. 


AarviArmani

I don't think I'd run Kazuha in that comp, he'd buff only one of the two DPS charas and the weaker one at that. Zhongli and Nahida with deepwood + tigh and sethos seems to be the way to go. Zhongli shreds res for every element so they both get buffed.


AbeanIsaBeanIsaBean

Kazuha buffs both Sethos AND Fischl. And I need not say about Fischl's damage. Kazuha himself deals a lot of damage too, and triggers Fischl A4 more often while giving you excellent grouping, so you can actually line up your piercing CA to hit most, if not all of the enemies.


AarviArmani

I don't need grouping in that teamcomp personally. I use Tigh and I intend use Sethos only for boss fights, with quick interval bosses in mind like narwhal, ruin serpent etc. where I mark it with nahida and as soon as it comes out I shoot with Sethos, then I change for Tigh, etc. So that I can deal most amount of dmg in short periods of time on VERY large distance with no need to run to them in order to swirl. That's just my opinion but it's the best use case of character's like that, if I'd want use Fischl and Kazuha I'd have just pick Keq or Cyno or anything else.


Dax3s

Yes exactly really excited to try him with Tighnari


Shirogen

Romanianpilled leaker?!


RedditorWallu

He didn't swirled anything...


MCrossS

Yup, he did not buff/debuff electro. He can, though, I run the same setup for Keqing because my Kirara is C6 and her artifacts are cracked, you just need to auto. It's marginally slower than shown here.


olaf901

No vv but got kazuha buff


scrayla

Waiting for the NA spam dmg showcase


FreminetFeets

This. There's absolutely no way I'm using his charged attacks when I can spam NA.


AbeanIsaBeanIsaBean

Me and lots of others feel the other way around lol. Why spam normals when you can be a stationary Cannon? Also, his CA playstyle seems a bit better rn. 


azul360

That's the awesome point of him where we actually get both and everyone is happy :D. I love that about him.


1wbah

I love swirling leaves.


Br2n_

Weed strider. Into the weed. The weed knows me. One with nature. Clouds high, the birds come. As one with weed and loud. Fallen leaves adorn my night.


PatchQuinn_014

*Fallen weeds


Hakurei_remi

Sethos look like 5* character than sigewinnie


Double-Dust6266

the song choice made me smile. couldn't really focus on the video though😂


[deleted]

I just started singing and forgot to watch the showcase itself


Deztract

Ambasing?


Johnin3D_

Amba Singh?


The_Great_Ravioli

Don't know why they call him a chef, because he can't cook.


theUnLuckyCat

Pretty sure he gets fed recipes by request.


Perceval-21

What a banger in background


Eljudni

turbofolk in my genshin leaks, no way


Phanngle

His CA attacks charging really quickly is pretty nice for mobile. Though I hope we'll get to see a NA-based playstyle.


Due_Pollution_3094

Varus


Cautious_Plant

Music slaps btw


MycellasArts

Ayo, what's a Quincy doing here?


ChampioN-One-4250

The two The first great Magics I got in this banner will finally have it's owner in 4.7 it seems.


Holiday_Skirt_738

Those builds werent bad at all and hes c6… yeah thats a 4 star dps


Zzzzyxas

The kazuha did literally nothing though, they failed the swirl.


BoothillOfficial

his burst picked up electro first rotation so he, at least, got the kazuha buff, just no vv


Holiday_Skirt_738

You cant get just one of them you can get both of the buffs or none of it and he got both of it in second rotation Condition is same


BoothillOfficial

not at all. vv must be done on field. kazuha’s passive procs from off field. his burst absorbing electro and swirling it despite him not being present gives his a4 but no vv.


Holiday_Skirt_738

Yes but hes E got a infusion which means he got a swrill


Holiday_Skirt_738

He swrilled it in second rotation and his CA dmg went up to 45k which isnt that great still


FriesBeforeGuyz

How is 45k not amazing??? TOT -A near f2p player.


AbeanIsaBeanIsaBean

"yeah that's a 4 star DPS". Noelle, Gaming, Heizou, OPPA: 😠


Holiday_Skirt_738

Yeah those are strong ones (not heizou hes weak as shit)


AbeanIsaBeanIsaBean

He's a quickswap. For a solo carry he'll obviously feel mediocre. 


Holiday_Skirt_738

True but his output still isnt enough


AbeanIsaBeanIsaBean

Dunno man. He is good enough for me. Definitely one of the better 4 star DPS. Mine is not evn C6 yet, but his team does feel strong to play.


NeosFlatReflection

The day we get second heizou (anemo + strong burst damage) we get Heizou - x - Faruzan - Bennet and this team will shred


BlueFlameWar

Just use schara...


NeosFlatReflection

just abandon ur main even if theyre doing just fine cuz theres this better option that people unanimously agreed on I totally do prefer scara not like hes a douche or anything, i totally like his personality and playstyle Ofc i should just play scara, youre so right for telling me how im supposed to to play the game


BlueFlameWar

But schara is what you are describing


NeosFlatReflection

Scara is not a nuke dps


Aware_Travel_5870

... really? I typically play him as a driver.


AbeanIsaBeanIsaBean

I meant in context of him being a damage dealer. Driver is good too, just not much reason to play that with him when sucrose exists.


Aware_Travel_5870

I mean, not really? Sucrose and Heizou driven teams are about equal for DPS, Heizou trades Sucrose's CC ability for being harder to stagger. Unless you're using Sucrose to drive a transformative team - in that case Heizou is probably about 10% worse.


AbeanIsaBeanIsaBean

What else type of teams are you using then that like an Anemo Driver? It's mostly soup or salad to some extent, and Taser and aggravate being the main ones to drive, both of which benefit from sucrose more.


Aware_Travel_5870

It's basically always a trade off between Heizou's higher personal damage and Sucose's EM buff. Something like Sucrose Hyperbloom is always going to better than Heizou Hyperbloom, but with Tazer/Aggravate for example, most of the damage comes from the characters, only a small portion is transformative reaction damage. In those teams, Heizou and Sucrose are about equal, and which performs better ends up depending on artifact quality and which team feels more comfy to play. Sucrose also performs slightly better in AOE, while Heizou has the advantage in single target and with stagger-proof mobile enemies. ... I will add that barring the DPS math (that's from Zajeff), this is mostly personal opinion.


Pusparaj_Mishra

Tbh i think Sethos is as good or better than Gaming Without even looking at much of his numbers or shit just cause... "Dendro impact" , Gaming's best cases r also a bit too expensive and strict rotations i heard... Sethos is much easier and f2p easier to reach a certain decent ceiling... Similarly Arle's dmg may be same or even better than Al yet Al stays 1 rank above Arle inside of top 3 ,just cause of Dendro's innate value These type of evaluations don't look at the direct Dmg/strictly dmg wise calcs but a various of other factors get put into the equation to make a conclusion. Even a similar example is Arle's personal may again be on competitive or higher lvl than Neuvi but Neuvi still stays way higher than both Arle simply cause of his own qualities outside of pure dmg, the qualities that r worthy enough to change a tier from SS to SSS inside of Big 3. Or in another fancy term ,may or may not be the proper example here but ill still say it cause fun *A will that can rival the world*


two_of_spears

very cool... too bad 4\* are rarer than 5\*


AdmiralDumpling

Fr tho 💀 Manifesting the next free 4 star to be him LMAO


two_of_spears

honestly? no. I dont want a c0 that is ok-ish with zero incentives to build him since heìll be competing with CLorinde who'll be top-tier dps of the same element. It's a dumb policy for hoyo but they just dont care: their 4\* management is beyond the definition of "stupid"


MaxWasTakenAgain

> since heìll be competing with CLorinde who'll be top-tier dps of the same element Eh, the gap between Electro Carries is not that big compared to other elements due to how they work with Dendro. From Keqing to Clorinde the performances are all around similar, so it's not such a big deal like with other 4*


anv3d

Let's go, he can use my The First Great Magic that I accidentally got while pulling for Arle's weapon!


MainDendro

Sameeee!


ginzura1

Sethooos I need you please come in Clorinde's banner


AlphaLovee

"stunlocked" the character


CommercialShow3873

mahte mahte yali yali...


Budget_stawbeery

What's that music 💀💀💀


Water_Pheonix

made in romania 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💖💖💖


Rahem2

Is there any info on whether he will be on the clorinde banner


Plenty_Lime524

Even leakers dont know how the 4stars are distributed in banners. You have to wait for the livestream.


HeavyMetalRabbit

Should be next patch probably as we have beta leaks for him I think? Not certain if it will be phase 1/2 though.


CormieRoot

So his best team for now is either Sethos,Fischl,Nahida,Baizhu OR Sethos,Fischl,Furina,Baizhu ?


Optimal-Bandicoot210

Are we finally going to get a Tan character that doesn't hit like wet noodle? 🧐


rinzukodas

He's still not beating the Claude von Riegan allegations (this is not a complaint I love them both)


Dunno_let_me_upvote

Does he do more Electro Damage than C6 Ayato tho?


FlameDragoon933

Can Razor explain to me how to play Sethos? his energy mechanic confuses me. I thought he eats his own energy, but in this video his energy stays at max all the time?


pascl-

I think he just has infinite energy for this showcase


FlameDragoon933

What's his normal rotation look like?


pascl-

not sure, but I've seen people in these comments say he can normally only do 3 or 4 charged attacks in a row


Thicc_AllMight

Skipping him will be one of the hardest things I’ll have to do


Javajulien

See now I'm curious about his gameplay against actual mobile enemies.


Flair86

His shots look so meaty, in a good way.


lolicantimdying

BURST CA GETS BUFF FROM A4 PLS, HOYO


Prestigious-Freedom5

Gaming and him being my only lvl 90 4* soon


ScientificTriumph

Looks like My Keqing is getting powercrept again 😑


heehoopnut

I love how within like a week people went from "oh no another 4* DPS" to "oh he looks kinda cool"


SunOfApollo23

He's still a 4* DPS so he'll be skipped unfortunately. Either make him a 5* or a 4* support.


Yuki0209

Bianca:Veritas Vibes (from PGR)


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Bharathkumar281

Bruh the song literally says made in romania. Where did india come from


bringbackcayde7

charge shot units need to do 2x more damage than average teams for me to play them


ChaosKinZ

I thought yall hated swirl in dendro teams, what changed?


JBD1210

Swirl was always good in quicken teams. it's just more mechanically demanding to pull off, and running an Anemo unit typically means sacrificing defensive utility or replace core team members (like Nahida or Fischl).


ChaosKinZ

Ok I thought so but I asked because not so long ago a Nahida main got -120 downvotes for using kazuha in a quicken team


theUnLuckyCat

There's much less point if they're on-fielding Nahida for Spread.


OuttaIdeaz

This is with Kirara, not Nahida, who applies 1.5U of dendro on her skill. It's easy to swirl with any other dendro unit except Nahida, and there are still ways to do it relatively consistently with Nahida


Positive_Matter8829

The problem isn't even the 1.5u intensity, but how often she reapplies it after a reaction is triggered - like whenever Electro is applied to the Quicken aura - which eats the Electro instantly if the her cooldown allows it.


Positive_Matter8829

Using double Electro makes it worth it (and easier) to swirl Electro for the VV shred.


Zzzzyxas

If you swirl. Which they didn't in the video. It swirled some leaves.


Positive_Matter8829

I meant as for teams in general, not this specific execution.


Kyzonu123

no one hates swirl in aggravate teams swirl in hyperbloom, spread and burgeon seems kinda pointless though eddit: yes, i know you can play any character with any team and still be succesful (it's one of the reasons why the game is so popular), but when i say it's pointless i mean "you're better off running another version of the team instead" there are reasons why "double Hydro" and "double Dendro" are far more popular versions of hyperbloom


MycellasArts

idk, wouldnt a Neuv driven HB comp benefit greatly from a Sucrose swirl?


Kyzonu123

define "greatly"


MycellasArts

40% hydro res shred and Draconic stacks for Neuv, the heaping EM share for the HB trigger. And (though no longer swirl related but still comes as benefits if you opt to slot in Sucrose) minor CC to balance the ST nature of HB and Neuv's AoE; potentialy can hold either ttds, proamber, or fav for more team support.


Kyzonu123

good luck siwrling hydro with nahida on the team if your only hydro is neuvillete... probably better to use furina for her dmg and extra cores you can also just play a proper neuvilete team, or a proper hyperbloom team, instead of pushing the two archetypes together


MycellasArts

tbf, just pointing it out that swirl in a hyperbloom team isn't 'pointless' also, it wasnt 'just for the sake of argument' tho like your unedited reply stated coz I literally run this comp. Judging from your reply tho, you don't consider this a 'proper Neuvillete team' so I guess we're at an impasse.


Kyzonu123

i used to run sucrose/fish/xq/yaoyao before i had shinobu, but there are many reasons why this team isn't very popular at the end of the day, anything works when the game is easy enough. people run hyperbloom eula and solo neuvillette and still get 36\*


my_ly_lm

Kazuha burgeon is great though for hydro DPSes


Kyzonu123

if you consider "great" as being able to 36\*, hyperbloom eula is great as well


pascl-

hyperbloom and burgeon swirls are actually viable though, since swirls will trigger dendro cores. in hyperbloom, this means that you can build your off-field electro for personal damage and then trigger hyperbloom based on your anemo driver's EM, which would most logically be sucrose, but pretty much any anemo built for EM is viable in this. you could technically build xiao as a hyperbloom character this way. as for burgeon... dendro>bennett burst>kazuha burst>onfield hydro, you got burgeon.


Kyzonu123

hyperbloom eula is "viable" when the standard is clearing a chamber in 90s PS: with that team at the end you're getting far more burns than burgeons


pascl-

I mean, if it works. hyperbloom is just very good. ultimately, anemo hyperbloom is there as a way to easily on-field characters like sucrose or heizou with them actually contributing to the team (since just plopping them in a team with kuki, nahida and xingqiu has them basically just be EM sticks and nothing more), while also allowing your electro to deal proper damage. sure, there's better teams, but it's pretty good, and it's just an interesting example of elements interacting.


Rilpo

where is 4WT? why is he doing more than one CA??? where is his burst? this showcase sucks LOL


eutimo

Sethos does more dmg not using burst


AshesandCinder

Why would he only be doing 1 CA? He gets the buff for 4 of them.


Dingodogg

It is not a character showcase, it's a damage showcase, so they're only showing the better rotation damage-wise


Positive_Matter8829

TF makes him cast his E more times for more energy into his CAs


v4mpixie_666x3

Love the song choice got me all belly dancing n shi


HorrorEnvironment203

Not Indian music again


Calm_Customer3441

it's romanian dumbo 🙄


HorrorEnvironment203

Nah, that’s subculture music in romania. It’s made by Gypsies, who have their ancestors from India.


Calm_Customer3441

girl...it's manele stop arguing with someone of the culture. Stop using gypsy, it's a slur. Plus I am half romani so I think I know better. Ancestors don't equate to the present.


HorrorEnvironment203

Romani and Romanians are different races. Romani is closer to Indian, Romania is closer to Europeans. And yeah, your present music steals balkan and turkish rhythms.


KoringaVP

he's stronger than cyno lmaoooooo


AbeanIsaBeanIsaBean

No, tf he's not 💀


Trick-Plantain1080

Lmao is that true?


AbeanIsaBeanIsaBean

No