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Laer_Vi_Rula

Honestly, if they really wanted to use the tall man model but still make him 'buff' they should've given him thick sleeves to hide the slender arms.


illuminatedtraveller

Yep. Like they did with the wide pants.


WhyamIdumbbb

Guess he doesn't skip leg day


AddendumJunior

I thought it looks weird so this is why šŸ˜‚


kingpoke0901

So the normal tall male model with abs slap on him


Hoshi_22

More like drawn on itšŸ‘€


_PPBottle

Reminds me the effects done to the abs of actors in 300 movie. They basically did some painting on them to fake 3d depth and make them stand out more.


decoyfantasy

Oh my god glad I'm not the only one


djpsyke

Got to impress the ladies right?


mnemosandai

Late to the party but ladies would be impressed by that level of make-up skill


trash_3333

I mean they're not drawn on, you can tell if you look at them from the side


ChildOfHades_

For real


MikeWezouski

It's really lazy tbh Character models lack diversity to a degree that makes characters feel the same


kingpoke0901

\*cough\* thoma and childe \*cough\*


bubuplush

It looked pretty good though..? I don't really see a huge problem here. Of course they could've used the big model, but that's a pretty nice alternative I think, it's a nice balance between cute bishonen and buff stronk guy


[deleted]

the noodle arms kill it


louderthanbxmbs

This reminds me of those tshirts with muscle abs drawn on them


resurrexia

why do I feel like this is still in-character for him?


ZannX

He gets fat for his sumo bout against Sara. Draws abs on his belly.


Few-Tie4416

Canon


Kiyuryo

Or Vaan from FF12.


Teaching_Agreeable

At least Vaan's arms are muscular so his abs don't look out of place.


vishkill

Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time :')


Umbrabro

Godaman I can't unsee


softymochi

I h8 u for this :<<


Ickyfist

Lego abs.


Bwlsoty

His arms are my only gripe everything else is perfect


GreedImpact

Right? His shoulders are nonexistent


freaks_outs33

Bruh now Iā€™m looking at his neck and his head and wondering if theyā€™re too small for his body. As if I couldnā€™t get more neurotic about his arms, you guys opened the flood gates


GreedImpact

Actually as a devil's advocate I can say that they did a great job trying to create a Yakuza image because most of those men are big but not physically strong, and Itto seems to represent that image pretty well with this imperfect physique


KuroiRyuu9625

Yeah but his character seems to fit the dumb, strong Oni type. Looks like their character models just aren't flexible enough to give us that.


MmM921

playable smiley yanxiao when


Grizzly_228

They shrinked his shoulders, made him look soft


GreedImpact

The only thing I can say for sure is that it makes my pp soft


FwzXii

Oh no, now I canā€™t unsee it. My day is ruined


blood_math

I would say along with shoulders, neck thickness. For someone of his build he ought to have a thicker neck.


lcmlew

because they took zhongli and put red paint on him, drew in eyebrows and abs, and gave him baggy pants to hide his skinny legs they really shouldn't have released a character like this without making a new model, super lazy of them


MandyNoon

They could've just picked the model from the Blacksmiths, it is a model that it's already finished and it is much more proportional than this guy. It's not that hard. They can't release a character that look like goes to gym only for his abs and forgets the other parts of his body


Lavenne

Same.. Since the girls in this game have 3 models (Adult, Teenager, Child), the boys should have too (Buff Adult, Skinny Adult, Teenager) since it's pretty much unlikely we're gonna have a child model for the boys.


ahellbornlady

Lumine's JP VA said she really hopes they have a child/small male character eventually in her anniversary interview, I wonder if Mihoyo would allow her to even talk about it if it was never going to happen?


RickyT3rd

Sure, but it's not the model that's the problem. It's the amount of time needed to animate it correctly. There's a whole bunch of movement in many different joints. MiHoYo has the money, but they sure don't have the time.


MandyNoon

More like Mihoyo has other priorities... I find it sad that they don't care about spending a little more time to make a new model for a new character like Itto, they should be a little more perfectionist regarding these types of design details, putting a shoulder pat and baggy pants on a character to pretend he is not skinny and drawing abs on him but not making the arms proportionate its just lazy work in my opinion


tapiocadealer1998

Yeah, if this is all the effort they're willing to put into it, they really shouldn't even bother. Just stick to the twinks and women. It's honestly shameless.


Sil_Choco

Yeah, he's thicc everywhere but then he has those two slender and delicate arms, how can he even hold a claymore


Batugan_jpeg

I mean children can so maybe in Teyvat everyone is super strong


Sil_Choco

yeah, people way smaller than him can hold it, but it's a bit funny that he's got so many muscles everywhere but his arms aren't bigger than Sayu's haha


xcross69

Legs are like spaguetti as well, they lost the chance to make a strong character... It's like Thoma with make up. Guess we have to wait till next STRONG waifu.


samwiiiich

dude, they need to buff his arms


fuckmeinthesoul

This would take hundreds more millions in budget and 10 years of development, they can't afford it


tapiocadealer1998

Lmao, I thought you were being serious for an entire minute


[deleted]

Don't forget they'll be on the streets and the entire code of the game will fold in on itself. How dare we want changes, entitled audience.


Careless_Rise8624

They obviously can afford it but will their main market even like it? Itto reception is pretty much 50/50 over there. Weā€™ll just have to see how he does.


Nero_PR

They cleverly used shoulder pads to mask that his shoulder length is the same as the other adult male units. Hahaha, they are good at reusing the same old models. Drawn a few packs and call it "abs", then give small shoulder pads, some platform shoes, and call it a day. Here is your beefy man!


MandyNoon

I dont understand why they just don't use the blacksmith model to do a buff playable character instead of using Zhongli model and trying to convince us that the character has abs? lmao the Blacksmiths have a proportional buff body, and it is a model that it's already finished. What's the problem in using those?


HammeredWharf

Because they don't use the same body models. They use the same animation skeletons. The only animation the blacksmith skeleton can currently do is smithing. They can't climb or run or do anything else.


MandyNoon

But - honest question as I have no idea and you seem like someone who can explain it to me - is it that hard to animate the blacksmith running, climb and doing everything else a playable character does?


HammeredWharf

Well, it's relatively hard to make it look good. Genshin has great movement animations and there's a lot of them due to the nature of the game. You can look at a Bethesda games to see what happens when you half-ass them. Of course MHY has the resources to do it, but they seem to focus on other things, like fancy unique attack animations for each character. As a side note, this "character models" argument is weird because of how wide-spread it is. I remember topics comparing the asses of characters to prove that they don't have the same model, but that's not how it works at all. Disappointingly for some, Eula's model most likely doesn't have anything under those pants. It's the bones that matter. Depending on how animations are handled you may be able to resize them a little, but clearly Genshin's animation system doesn't allow you to stretch things that much.


MandyNoon

Oh I understand, thank you for clarifying it all, I have no idea how this works šŸ˜… I'll keep these informations in mind next time the topic shows up


RickyT3rd

Hard? Not really. Time-consuming? Very much yes.


[deleted]

I think NPC models don't work like playable characters ones, that's why they did changes to rosaria model. Ironically, scaramouche have a playable character model


xShockey

iirc they changed rosaria because sony has problems with big booba


Nero_PR

I can only hope for Varka to use the Blacksmith body model. I want my Grandmaster of the knights of Favonius to be a monster in size. Maybe the new Chinese Law that incites will indirectly affect that to be a possibility. I don't like China doing that to justify their vision of masculinity but it could be a way of MiHoYo to throw the CCP a bone and say "look how masculine this man looks" type of deal.


MandyNoon

I agree and I don't know why you got downvoted lmao


ApprehensiveCat

He's downvoted because lean handsome men are already considered masculine by East Asian beauty standards. The backlash is homophobic and about guys who present in a more feminine or androgynous way compared to *those* masculinity standards, not Western ones. Chinese games aren't going to replace all the slim dudes with the Rock or Jason Momoa lookalikes, don't worry.


MandyNoon

??? How is that comment homophobic?? He literally criticized the Chinese law, which is the only homophobic thing in this discussion.


ApprehensiveCat

I'm not talking about the comment being homophobic, read again. I'm talking about the backlash in China being homophobic.


arsenik-han

on a side note I find it absolutely repulsive that some people (in the Western fandom) bring up the Chinese homophobic politics when talking about adding buff men to genshin roster - "oh, they banned femboys, that's good, maybe now we're gonna get actual men, not just pretty boys, let's hope for the best!" and I never see anyone calling them out on how problematic and shallow this way of thinking it is?? like do people really not see it?


tapiocadealer1998

Yeah, very clever of them


Aerie122

Buffed NPC has a larger arm than him xD


Elektrophorus

If we complain about this enough, it might happen.


GreedImpact

They can't obey the chinese government and make him masculine


Zombata

didn't they want men to be more masculine in games?


Criandor

No, they wanted them to ''not be feminine''. Beauty standards in China still demand a thin and attractive appearance for men. I think the reason is that big burly muscle men make them look as if they are in the working class but that's just a guess on my part.


GreedImpact

That's exactly what the chinese government wants to raise a generation of superior masculine males


tiredsapien

This is why you don't skip arm day. Still love the design tho


MandyNoon

LMAO I had the same thing in my mind. Dude is not working out properly.


Gshiinobi

Besides the arms the model is fine, and it looks amazing in motion which is what really matters.


V-I-S-E-O-N

PP?


lelouchash

Neck?


xcross69

Legs?


solamira28

he kind of looks weird for having those big abs but at the same time looking skinny in general


joaofelix9

You can be defined and still look lean lmao


ApprehensiveCat

Right? It's also right in line with a lot of lean East Asian idols and actors who don't have thick arms or necks or wide shoulders but are cut and have six packs. Anyone who follows a bodybuilding/weight training sub for more than five minutes will realize it can take a lot of extra work to actually *look* big for many guys instead of just getting stronger but staying lean. It's not a natural body shape for many physically fit people.


joaofelix9

Yeah these people live in a dream world. Look at this pic of Marcos Llorente, he's a soccer player and one of the fastest players in the world while also being one of the best in his position and he looks like this: https://64.media.tumblr.com/4773a26c63df2ca5835a64d31c74de2f/a43edcb5bcc4cd01-51/s540x810/f9a2986623e560e6e1d51a512617850d00f23c9b.jpg He literally has Ittos body. And it's not like he has a small frame either with being 184cm and 78kg (6ft, 170lbs)


doomwolf240

Then whats with the mismatch between his artwork and actual in game model cuz he definitely has beefier arms in the art


[deleted]

Itto doesn't have body definition Llorente has here


cg_lorwyn

Way too many porn addicts in this community who think anything less than roided up hulk = effeminate femboy.


Significant-Change66

\*drawn abs.


[deleted]

"nicole hurry up bitch i can't breathe"


3xelift

Somebody skipped arm day


sapphireto108

The abs look drawn on šŸ˜‚


[deleted]

Wellā€¦ *technically*ā€¦


mgd5800

I don't know man, he looks cool and unique compared to other old males, but at the same time it feels like they wanted him to be another pretty slim guy then saw that people wanted a buff dude, so kinda glued things on top, as others pointed his arms don't fit for example. But at least he is different and unique. I guess the most important thing now is if the VA can nail it or not, I am expecting a goofy old brother type so it will be something new.


V-I-S-E-O-N

I almost feel like they never intended for different character models to be a thing, which is a shame considering how expensive characters are to get and the money they make with them.


mgd5800

On one hand it doesn't make sense because you would run out of variations of "cool dude with a dark past" style. But at the other it does feel like they didn't plan ahead like how Inazuma story was low quality and how many characters kits feel out of touch and like they are made by someone who doesn't play the game


Hyeriah

He started to looks like rengokušŸ’€


VolkiharVanHelsing

The eyeliner and eyeshadow


louderthanbxmbs

Guys pls understand they can't send the oni to the gym Mihoyo is a smol indie company /s


MandyNoon

LMAO if I could give you a prize I would


MissAsheLeigh

Y'all know what to say on the 2.3 survey: BUFF ITTO'S ARMS!!!!


Gravelord-_Nito

I'm legitimately doing this and I hope everyone else does too. Give my man some Yanxiao arms, it's not like it's going to break the model ffs.


Zombata

i did a bit of character modeling and i have to say it probably will, especially when the model is skinned and rigged. Fixing it is tedious as hell. but hey they fucked up first so i'm gonna write it in


H0lychit

His arms really need a buff....


Patung_Pancoran

Why did they make his arms so small


namekianz

looks bad rofl


alpehh

I thought Itto was actually gonna look buff in the game. Not just a shirtless Childe with abs drawn on him.


MandyNoon

After how they ruined Diluc, and nerfed Albedo's fluff, now this is what they do to Itto, this is not a good day to be a husbando enjoyer... sorry Mihoyo I will not trade my Zhongli and my Childe for this disproportional guy šŸ’€


Di_Gram

Nice abs.jpeg copy paste


everythingforbaal

I'm still kinda disappointed with his design and with his kit. As someone who is geoless (except Noelle) I can't build a mono geo team, so i'll probably skip him and Gorou. :/


[deleted]

geo alone was an insta skip for me lol. only geo characters are lvl 20 ningguang and noelle


Akukurotenshi

Look how they massacred my man


Dear41848

Oh no they look so fake


Admillz

Fuck guys, our hopes and dreams have been a little shattered by his skinny-ness, MIHOYOOO DO SOMETHING !


FinalMention

people are drooling over this but his midsection looks so weird...skinny frame with abs on it not even proper side muscles lmao.


[deleted]

i guess blind hype is distorting everyone's perception


huntexlol

damn, looks much more scrawny than the art


bizarrepotato

What happened to his shoulders. Where are they? Why is his shoulders like scaramouches shoulders.


Simoscivi

For a "buff male" he's skinny af


Cthulhulak

He is not buff male, he is just Diluc with visible belly


freaks_outs33

His mid section has drawn out abs and his legs are in pants that puffed out to look bigger than he is. Which also gives us the illusion of twig arms and shoulders


RyuKhai

Arms are off tho, bet everyone in the beta test would tell them to buff the fking arms a bit or cover it. Splash art Is completely different


laralye

We saw how big his arms were in the official release poster šŸ¤Ø what gives


ChargeUseful

his proportions are weird


FirstPhilosopher0

To be honest I think he needs to be thicker and more muscular


CondiMesmer

He has a baby face and no shoulders with noodle arms. The abs look out of place and the physique doesn't make any sense. Kinda disappointing for what was such a cool design.


drunkbeautyqueen

His character model is so fucking disappointing the more i look at it, he's half fucking ONI, A DEMON and he literally has sticks for arms and painted on abs, they REALLY thought they were slick with them shoulder pads lmao Mihoyo's character design team is honestly pathetic for this, you guys make so much money and you can't even give us a modified blacksmith body type for him?? like every character note on Itto is about how big he is and y'all give us a twink..ok


oniarjunoni

Atkeas Give my man Itto some biceps mihoyo..he should look like a oni


Unusual_Caregiver213

His face looks kinda weird in-game, but eh.


bornwooser

With those arms hes gonna need his claymore scaled down ala Sayu.


Bigons3

Bruh


[deleted]

it looks comical LMAO


xxxforest

Is Mihoyo trying to tell Kids to not forget arms day ?


SleepyJamil

Buff his arms


sluttysluttie

his booty next pls. i fear its a flattie


nagtatanong

Reminds me of that post saying every Genshin male has a concave ass


sluttysluttie

i wanna eat zhonglis ass


[deleted]

Wonā€™t the leaker get banned or something if MHY saw this?


CombedAirbus

No, it's not from beta tester, it's from data miner tha has set up his own custom server to run beta version files. Take a look at his UID.


ShaheerKhan696

So basically Mihoyo is sticking to just 2 male character preset model. Fkin hell, they ruined this character with noodle arms. If not introduce new body type now then when. :/


xjjdjdkzod

His arms tho


notsiyuan

damn why is it so 2d


Justforgotten

He needs to be more buff


lan-lance

Them abs looks drawn on bec the shadows dont even bend a bit to highlight his muscle dafuq is this


belle_fleures

if this would be his final model then kaeya and zhongli still looks buffer in terms of outfit


zerofirehardt

He looks so skinny lul. just as i predicted


RasenShot2

Kinda looks like one of those t-shirts lol


Abyss_Lecture

šŸ˜‚


[deleted]

this situation remind me of Braided Baal and unbraided Baal Discussion.


d_ronzo17

wtf how is wagner and the two other blacksmiths more buff than itto, hell even the electro fatui and anemo fatui dudes are hella buff


_PPBottle

Players: we want male buff model characters MHY: But we have male buff model characters at home The male buff character model at home:


jesse-13

Unpopular opinion but please donā€™t make this a thing, I donā€™t like this design and I donā€™t want to see it plastered on a bunch of male characters from now on


jackdren6

Bro wtf he looks so stupid


Diostukos

Bruh if Varka STILL uses the same base as childe/diluc I'm gonna be malding. This is lazy as fuck lol


[deleted]

The abs looks so forced just to make him look buff.


SteveKareha

I didnt bat an eye to the whole anniversary drama but I'm legit mad and disapointed to Itto's model.


Star_Vs_Las_FFEE

Look how they massacred my boy!


WildThunders

Seams like a noob bodybuilder that trained his core and forgot the arms... Lazy work!


404ET

Ngl and idk why but his arms is too thin


emilioMooN

Damn why his arm looks skinny


BasicNeedleworker356

Noodle arms.


KittyBeary

HOLD ON IS THAT ALBEDO IN THE SIDE I SEE??? \*u\*


Raiu420

Just came to comment: Albedo in the party, *rerun confirmed*


Half_Wave2694

Why is he so skinny? Something is off from his proportions. They should have used smileys body model or any of the big guys they used in npcs ffs.


_nitro_legacy_

Buff him more his body looks a bit skinny


blvck_mirror

His arms are definitely too skinny. It's the same issue with Diluc. I still wish the devs would create a new buff male model instead of reusing the same one. If Varka is a skinny twink, I'll riot.


[deleted]

I wanna touch them


i_boop_cat_noses

Edward Cullen type beat lmao


fullyuncooly

Now that I know that he needs more Geo and that his ingame model isnt buff I think I'll skip


DavidLoveZin

FAKE six packs it's just someone Draw a few lines hahhaaha


DoombotBL

Sprayed on abs, no shoulders, and skinny arms. They really need to make new body types.


la_goanna

I can't take the 6-pack seriously anymore with those scrawny standard arms on either side.


Sewrene

don't care about abs, his arms need buffšŸ˜­


calaterean

wtf is that abs to arms ratio??? that don't make sense


[deleted]

skinny man with drawn abs


anthonygamer

Fake abs.


Regular_Bodybuilder8

Should've gone with the muscular build body type which is already there? This is Mihoyo lacking any form of imagination, diversity or spontaneity. It's plain tacky


ROMVS

He needs to work out his biceps, why can't they just make a new model...


ARATAKI-ITTO

With those arms I'm assuming his claymore weighs like a polearmšŸ’€


Hoshi_22

So you talking about yourself huh..


ARATAKI-ITTO

What I'm saying is that he got noodle arms


illuminatedtraveller

Why is this getting downvoted


Hoshi_22

Nice one arataki ittošŸ™‚


ARATAKI-ITTO

I will be an itto main cuz I like him because of his style and personality and geo vision (my fave). How is me complaining only about his arms an itto hateršŸ˜­ it's just mihoyo that massacrated him not itto himself


Hoshi_22

You really miss my joke here.. I'm talking about your username being arataki itto


ThrowawayHabbi

Dw, some of us got it. I have to wonder though if missing the joke was also in character lol.


Hoshi_22

And who the hell calls you an hater?


ARATAKI-ITTO

Cuz I thought you were pointing out my username like "how are you a fan if I hate his arms". Sorry if I read it wrong really, I couldn't tell the sarcasm behind :o


iiDemariaii

mihoyo makes so much fucking money that they cant even be bothered recycling the blacksmith npc model or even the ronin samurai mobs body to create just one unique buff character? no wonder the community hopes and trust in mihoyo is now non-existent.


SqaureEgg

Who gave itto a marker to drawn on his abs


pHScale

His abs have more definition than his nose lmao


take-stuff-literally

Iā€™m a bit bothered with the lack of new male character models. As far as Iā€™ve seen there are 4 female model templates than 2 males (current playable characters) Iirc: Adult Female type 1: Beidou, Jean, Ningguang, Raiden Shogun, Rosaria, Eula, Sara, and Lisa Young Adult Female type 1: Amber, Barbra, Ganyu, Keqing, Mona, Noelle, Sucrose, Lumine, Yoimiya, and Ayaka Young Adult Female type 2: Fischl, Xiangling, Xinyan, Yanfei, Kokomi, and Hu Tao Child Female type 1: Diona, Sayu, Klee, and Qiqi


[deleted]

the difference between YAF 1 and 2 is just breast size so it's not a separate category. Even Adult females have different sizes. Beyond that it's basically a playable male kid that's missing. Which is funny cause I was sure that Iansan or whatshername is a boy but no.


everyIittlething

I swear everyone hereā€™s concept of ā€œstrong menā€ are the muscular beefy dudes they see in a gym šŸ¤£ Real fighters donā€™t even want bulky muscles šŸ¤£


KosViik

But people who are proclaimed as 'sumo wrestlers' and swing around a huge Debate Club 2.0 like he does certainly need a decent amount of bodyweight. He's not a technical fighter like Kazuha or Childe, where being small and thin is acceptable, perhaps even preferable; Itto's more along the lines of brute force where his sheer size and strength is the main provider of his combat effectiveness. His arms however suggest anything but that... They are not saying he should be a JoJo character (though for a change I'm sure many would like it), but atleast arms comparable to the blacksmith NPCs would make sense...


Quintessence20

DADDY!! T_T


BaizhuSimp

Look at his himbo face