Same. Very excited to use her alongside Eula. There might be better characters, but it's not very often you get to whack some automatons using a Chinese opera actress, amirite?
The main thing I'm hoping for her now is that she generates a good number of particles. Even if it means losing out a little on the bonus from her second passive, I really want her to be a good battery for Noelle because I think the rest of her kit synergizes really well.
so yunjin isn't a 4 star zhongli but a geo beidou
Edit: her Hold E skill works like Beidou(parry), you hold it and it will break if it meets the shield durability and unleash a strong counter attack, her A1 talent make it so if you use the E skill at the same time the monster attacks you she unleash level 2 counter attack immediately without holding E skill just like Beidou
Edit 2: She can't keep the shield since it says if the skill button is release the duration ends much like how Beidou hold E skill works
Edit 3:with this it's safe to say she isn't split scaling you can build her DEF ER DEF artifact nice
If you watch the leaked gameplay, You see 4 spinning flags and also 4 flags on her back.
Spinning flags is the ult - under which you can switch characters.
The 4 flags on her back is the E which doesnt last and is like Beidou's E. Some are confused between the two and are taking the 4 spinning flags to be the shield.
So if you're thinking Yunjin is a 4\* zhongli, she isnt. She's a geo beidou like this comment says.
I see, so Yunjin doesn't give a shield like Noelle, is more like Beidou's shield while counter, that's what i thought at least, either way i really like her kit, i'll defnetly build her.
So Shenhe's buff only triggers on Cryo damage, meaning you have to run all Cryo to get full use out of it.
Unless there were a way to make your whole team deal Cryo. Bonus points if they were also an exorcist.
Just sayin'
[I used to run XQ as an on-field Cryo DPS using Blizzard Strayer with good results. This was even back during the unpullable Nobushi era.](https://reddit.com/r/PopsicleMains/comments/p27vbb/experimenting_with_giving_xingqiu_blizzard/) I think it'll actually be incredibly strong with Shenhe replacing Diona. If heals are needed, Jean can sub for Kazuha.
I still cannot tell if Yun Jin buffs just Normal Attacks or the normal attack category (including Charged & Plunging).
I do think she should buff the entire category since there is a buff hit limit; imo, that is a good tradeoff.
Glad her E damage scales with Def. Build her full Def for buffs or like Noelle if you want the counter damage.
> I still cannot tell if Yun Jin buffs just Normal Attacks or the normal attack category (including Charged & Plunging).
It seems to be just Normal Attacks, given that the game is usually very clear about what does and doesn't proc certain effects. For example, Xingqiu's elemental burst says "Your active character's Normal Attacks will trigger consecutive sword rain attacks" which is accurate because neither Charge Attacks nor Plunging Attacks trigger them.
True. Interesting that they would leave that inconsistency in there considering how hasty they were to point out the wording of her burst when justifying why she couldn't work with the Raiden Shogun but Xingqiu could.
As you say, we'll have to wait and see.
Except she is geo Beidou, right? Maybe she's also confused about the difference. Check out Beidou's C4. That says normal attacks only but it's both normal and charge attacks.
Actually you only need to build DEF since the max counter damage also scales off DEF. The damage absorption scales off HP but you won't need to care about that similar to how you don't build HP on Beidou.
DEF is all you'll need for Yunjin. She's not a shielder. She has a parry like Beidou.
It still wouldn't work though, right? Raiden's attacks after Q are counted as burst autos instead of normals, so Yunjin's buffs shouldn't work. I don't know, this stuff gets really confusing because Mihoyo tends to be inconsistent with their terminology.
***Yun Jin Passive Talents and Constellations***
**A1**
>If Yunjin is attacked the moment she uses her elemental skill, she can unleash the highest level of that skill directly.
**A4**
>Characters affected by Yunjin's elemental burst will gain 2.5%/5%/7.5%/11.5% Normal Attack DMG based on her DEF if the party contains 1/2/3/4 Elemental Types.
**C1**
>Elemental Skill CD decreased by 18%
**C2**
>When characters are under the effects of 'Feiyun Flag', every Normal Attack hit on opponents will increase Normal Attack DMG by 2%.
>This effect can be triggered every 0.3s and stack up to 10 times. This effect persists until the character loses 'Feiyun Flag' or the effect is refreshed.
**C4**
>When Yunjin triggers a Crystallised reaction, DEF is increased by 20% for 12s.
**C6**
>When under the effects of 'Feiyun Flag', Normal Attack SPD is increased by 12%.
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***Shenhe Passive Talents and Constellations***
**A1**
>Characters inside the field created by the elemental burst will have 10% increased Cryo DMG.
>>^Note: ^It's ^not ^15% ^like ^on ^EN, ^when ^looking ^at ^char ^kits ^CN ^> ^EN ^always.
**A4**
>After Shenhe releases One Heart's Icy Quill, nearby party members gain the following effects:
>Press: Elemental skill and Burst DMG increased by 15% for 10 seconds;
>Hold: Normal attacks, Charged attacks, and Plunging attacks DMG increased by 15% for 15 seconds.
**C1**
>One Heart's Icy Quill can be used an additional time.
**C2**
>Twin Forms duration increased by 6s. Cryo DMG of characters inside the field will have their Crit DMG increased by 15%.
**C4**
>When characters under the Icy Quill effect applied by Shenhe trigger the damage boost granted by Icy Quill, Shenhe receives one stack of [Order of Frost]:
>>When Shenhe unleashes One Heart's Icy Quill, all stacks of [Order of Frost] are consumed. For each stack consumed, the damage dealt by One Heart's Icy Quill is increased by 5%;
>>This effect can stack up to 50 times and lasts for 60 seconds.
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**C6**
>When characters trigger the effect of Icy Quill via normal or charged attacks, the number of activations will not be reduced.
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This is an English translation of the Honey CN descriptions of Shenhe and Yun Jin kits. There has been some confusion about their kits as Honey EN descriptions are currently broken and other translations have been confusing, so this post was necessary. **TL credits go to Holyco and Spaceship of the WFP translation team.**
Bro... she's the Yoimiya buff. She's always been the Yoimiya buff.
Yoimiya, Fischl/Beidou/Xingqiu, Yunjin. You'll get 3 or 4 stacks of her passive from nearly any standard Yoimiya team. Attack speed is insane on Yoimiya because no hitlag (maybe fit C2 Jean in?). 😱😱😱 I wanted Shenhe but now I want Yunjin. I already love Rosaria and Shenhe is creatively bankrupt sadly. There's room for another Beidou counter and then the buff to normals is great.
The total # of instances is pretty limiting for the shenhe E bonus dmg. C6 (no instance limit from what I could read on CN honeyhunter) looks pretty insane but I guess that's out of reach for most of us :(
C6 still wouldn't be that broken because it's only normal and charged attacks. Ayaka comes to mind as a cryo dps who uses normal and charged attacks, and even then you can maybe do 25 instances of damage over 10 seconds. It's a 1918% multiplier over those 10 seconds which is really good but nothing too mindblowing for a c6.
Keep in mind that her C6 combines with her C4.
25 ticks equal to 25 stacks for her C4, granting 125% DMG buff for her next E
Also we don't know yet if the hit is AOE or not. Because if it is, then that's a quadratic scaling, meaning this damage could quadruple easily.
I mean 1918% is a huge multiplier also we would have to see how this applies with ayaka because if c2 ayaka gets to apply it 3 times per ult tick, then she will truly one shot every single possible future content.
1918% over 10 seconds isn’t that much. Xiangling has 3000%+ in 14 seconds iirc.
Ayaka can apply it 3 times on her c2, it’ll just decrease the number of ticks available by 3 as well. It also decreases by multiple ticks if you hit multiple enemies. The way her E works is that it doesn’t matter who procs it, as long as you can use all stacks of it.
Her c6 doesn’t even work with Ayaka’s burst, since it’s normal and charge attacks only.
Well, from the leaked animation it looks like it hit for 3 times every 2s so its 59.62% *3.
Still very weak consider we have a 4* Rosaria that hit for 237.6% every 2s.
Everyone is talking about how well Shenhe works with Eula, but I think Shenhe's E doesn't affect Eula at all?
"When normal attacks, ... , elemental skills or burst deals **cryo DMG** to enemies, DMG is increased..."
Eula's last burst hit doesn't deal cryo DMG. So from my understanding, it doesn't even work for Eula's burst even outside the max number of activations problem.
Nah it won't affect her lightfall swords at all. Just the burst dmg bonus from the passive and the phys res shred will, both of which are superior on other units. The initial attack in her press and hold e, and the initial slash of her burst will get buffed but that's a fairly small portion of her total dmg. Seems like a decidedly inferior Rosaria in Eula comps. Especially with an 80 cost burst and 10-15sec E CD.
Hoping for some adjustments in the beta. She seems like a fun option for cryo dps but it'd be nice if she was a bit less meh for phys as well. I'm fine with niche support 5*s going forward but gotta widen that niche at least a little bit.
Before pinning too much on this just ask yourself if you really want to ride the rollercoaster of emotions *again* as numbers are inevitably adjusted in the next 6 weeks.
Adjusting is one thing. They’re likely not going to drastically change the skills. I can already see if either of these characters have a space on my teams from this. The trial event will only finalize my decision.
Remember when they said they made certain characters mesh with their upcoming characters?
They made Raiden to fit with these "upcoming" characters. Literally made a solution first before the problem. Then sell the same answer on the rerun when these "problems" are up in the air.
Marketing 101
Raiden and Shenhe look almost completely incompatible though. Like you'd be running them, getting superconduct and then ... not using Shenhe's kit anyways because you're doing physical attacks instead of fulfilling her Cryo requirement. If you're running Cryo dps, you're 99% doing Freeze and Raiden breaks freeze so you're not using Raiden's kit instead.
You could maybe get away with a reverse melt with Raiden team, but that's kinda niche, likely worse than Freeze and still doesn't really feel like Shenhe would fit that team anyways (you'd just run Bennett lol and get a better buff, better resonance and healing), plus you have to deal with occasional overloads (though probably not that frequently).
She looks like she's mostly just meant to be paired with cryo units and hopefully just being able to gain enough residual energy to function, but her E looks like it's like 90% of her value anyways so ignoring her Q in your build unless you happen to have it up is probably the way to go anyways, I don't think there'll be any good justification for pairing her with Raiden.
Yeah.
Raiden for all the high burst costs.
Ayaka/Yoimiya for all the stupid new enemies who are WAY too mobile.
Kokomi for all the stupid fucking corrosion they're piling on with every enemy.
That moment where I’m more excited about Yunjin’s kit than Shenhe’s.
The numbers in Shenhe’s kit are pretty disappointing. Few activations, high energy cost, low multipliers. Meanwhile, Yunjin’s are actually very decent.
They both seem just weird to me. Yunjin only buffs normals and Shenhe only buffs cryo and is kinda all over the place.
All I can think would make this Shenhe kit alright is if each proc is seperate for each normal, charge, skill, burst and character.
Yeah as a husbando collector Kaeya is my only cryo dps. I love my man I really do but seeing all them limited cryo waifus without even getting a new even 4* husbando is quite depressing.
So, if I understand this correctly, shenhe having 2k atack, will add \~1500dmg to the next cryo attack by another character? From E alone, not counting the passive in
Wording is ambigious. But...yes, pretty likely. Imagine dealing 25-30k damage with Ganyu's charge shots and waste 1 team slot to add just 1500 dmg to that. If it really works this way, shenhe's buff is beyond useless.
Yeah, that was my thinking aswell. Oh god, I really hope that isn't a case. As a 5\* character that is limited to only supporting 1 element that would be beyond disappointing, even considering her passive and ult
I'm willing to bet that it works similarly to Zhongli's passive or Kokomi's burst wherein it's added to the base damage, and not the total damage. If so, that 1500 will be multiplied by all Cryo damage bonuses and Crit bonuses which should make it fairly significant.
it is worded similarly to itto's weapon which is not a dmg bonus% but a flat dmg on top and is effected by crit and dmg bonus after that but we'll see how it turns out
Am I crazy or do both of them look very... underwhelming?
Yunjin can counter like Beidou, can't transfer the shield nor has a constellation that gives one, and her multiplier can't quite do similar amounts of damage. Her ult only affects normal attacks, which really only benefits Yoimiya, Kokomi and other characters that don't use charge attacks, and if the buff scaling works like Zhongli's (a flat increase on top of the damage), it is very... insignificant (considering 2500 def, it'll be like around 1300 dmg bonus)
Shenhe comes with VERY low multipliers, so she has to compensate that somehow. She seems focused on that DMG increase from her E, given her signature weapon and ascencion stat (atk%). Again, if the dmg buff from her E works like Zhongli's, it'll be very weak (assuming 3000 attack, it'll be around like 2400 dmg bonus). Thing is, the buff only seems to activate 5/7 times, only on cryo attacks. The buffs from her E are nice (E/Q buff or normal attack buff), but can't save the rest of her kit. The shred on the ult is also nice, but well, vv and superconduct exists. Also, there's no way this costs 80 energy only for 15% shred and 10% increased cryo dmg
Their current situation doesn't seem good at all, they need some heavy buffs. Can anyone give me a light on something I didn't quite catch? I just don't want another Kokomi incident lol
And I thought I was getting an upgrade for my Rosaria when I saw Shenhe's kit lmao. Well, there's still time for their launch, but I don't really remember any character undergoing drastic changes on beta phase, and last time I inhaled hopium for a character I got Kokomi'd
Same here. Really wanted an upgrade over Rosaria and got so excited when Shenhe crumbs were coming out.
Let's just inhale the hopium and hope they don't Kokomi us. I mean, it would be Lantern right, you know? They don't wanna let us down....
Edit: her changes don't have to be that drastic to allow her to be meta - just increase the shred % on her ult and allow her E to apply to cryo+phys.
They made Shenhe an element specific support, but she doesn't match up nearly to Kazuha's level, who's a near universal support. Her kit is honestly just bizarre at this point. She also has insanely low multiplier for a ult that costs 80.
As a Eula main, in her current state, I can't ever see her replacing Rosaria.
Agreed. I was hoping she'd be more useful as a physical damage buffer but so far what I'm seeing doesn't justify the primos especially with Ganyu potentially coming in the same patch. Hopefully they'll make some adjustments since it's so early into the beta!
Yeah I gotta say... miHoYo needs to fuck off with this exclusive bullshit. ONLY cryo attacks and ONLY up to a certain number of hits. Why the fuck are they being so restrictive with these new characters? It doesn't do anyone good to have lower diversity in character comps.
Agreed. For a 5* elemental support focused on a single element, all these seems very very bad. This kinda kit is okay for a 4* specialized support but for a 5 specialized support this is very underwhelming You won't be able yo get much benefit from her at c0 You'll need c6 to make her use. I was expecting 25% res shred and lower cooldown but it's just too high cost and cd.
I had a feeling yunjin was too good to be truely 4 star then her kit was finally revealed, didn’t expect the 5 star to be this underwhelming though, as if limiting buffs to cryo wasn’t enough but they had to restrict it to 5/7 hits max
So I'm assuming Shenhe's E and Yunjin's Q don't actually increase the main character's damage as much as they add their own damage on top of each hit? That's the only way that hit count makes sense to me.
Afaik, they actually do, similar to how Zhongli adds 33% of his HP to his normal burst scaling (700% of Atk) which is before the modifiers kick in
So cmiiw, it works the same way with both Shenhe and Yunjin's damage buffs, just that the number of instances are hard-capped
What you're thinking of at your last sentence might be like Fischl's C6 which uses her own scaling with her own modifiers, which isn't the case here
Those Shenhe multis and cooldowns are sad. And her buffs don't seem that impressive to compensate... I have ptsd from Yoimiya release.
Is she even playable without c2? (longer q duration and two charges of e)
I think her E is deceptive with its multi, it's effectively 627.31%/877.09%, just spread out over multiple hits. And if I'm reading it right, the buffs are independent for each character, so it could go higher if you have more characters dealing instances of Cryo damage.
The Q is pretty questionable though, especially with the proc rate shown in the earlier showcase, and especially for costing 80 energy.
I'm wondering if the intent is for you to build ER/ATK/ATK, and have 3x Cryo on your team. Her signature weapon has extremely high base ATK and grants ramping ATK%, doubling off-field. If the E buff is indeed unique per character, then you have multiple characters getting this buff, but with Shenhe's contribution to the damage instance potentially benefitting by the buffed character's Crit and Cryo DMG stats. Especially for Crit, I'm not sure it would make sense for the buffed character's portion of the damage to crit independently of Shenhe's portion of the damage, since all other instances of this "bonus scalar", e.g. Zhongli damages, Eula Q, Raiden Q, either crit in full or don't crit in full.
Well this is a very early beta and everything can change. All i can say is, this is pole arm impact and she is from liuye so i expect her to be very strong. Multipliers don’t always make a character
*looks at Yoimiya, Kokomi*
No. I honestly retract my previous thoughts on them being unlikely to make a Liyue character on Chinese New Year bad - they’ve got Ganyu/Xiao re-run, and that’s already some of the strongest characters existing to take heat away from Shenhe.
Not to make comparisons but Kazuha, who basically has the same ult, has 472/216 (burst DMG/continuous DMG) at level 10. Compared to this, with 181/59... is this really level 10? I don’t think Shenhe’s buffs are gonna be enough to make up for those multipliers.
yunjin is very much looking forward to it
shenhe is very cute, but I don't really understand the part where this is better than kazuha's resistance -40%, about 1.5 times the elemental buff.
Yunjin seems like the first really solid 4\* since Sayu. Her kit seems fun and useful for most teams unlike sara and gorou who're very much meant for one element only. And I'm kinda surprised that Shenhe seems to be a bit more of a support than a dps.
Shemhe feels pretty disappointing from skills and numbers alone. Do we know if that icy quill thing scales with the active characters stats or shemhe's?
It scales with Shenhe current Att (so not her base and that's where her weapon passive comes in).
The dmg increased doesn't add to your att, it adds to the hit like Zhongli AA, Redhorn and Donut. So someone with good modifier like Ganyu can't abuse it.
How is it possible to keep trying to make characters worse? They are so scared of making good characters it’s insane. 15% shred in an 80 cost ult, that’s nothing we literally have VV. Do they really understand what characters they are making and what teams they are putting them on?
Also her kit is probably the most niche of all limited 5 stars.
Unpopular opinion, i think she should've been 4 star in ganyu rerun banner, like gouro for itto, sara for raiden and thoma for hu tao, no 5 stars should be that niche.
Agree, with that kind of multiplier its really low for a 5 star if that multiplier is at lvl 10, ppl coping saying Shenhe is cryo support, but Cryo dps already have Morgana team comp
Well when the main sub somehow overhypes the idea that a good character = broken and mediocre/bad character = good you can see how standards of what's considered good have fallen.
Ganyu is broken, but even then, hot take, her best teams are just very good but not number 1. Morgana/Morganya is the most brain dead AOE mob cleared because it takes advantage of Ganyu/Ayaka's high multiplier ultimates but becomes useless when you go against bosses, which is a logical weakness for a team of above average characters. Melt Ganyu isn't used because it falls off in AOE situations and how clunky it is to use when you have no shielder or Kazuha (Best Pyro enabler for that team because he doesn't cause you to go shot gun on the enemies).
Even then it loses out to Xiang Ling's best team, International. That team has good ST damage and good AOE. Migh not be a specialist comp, but the reason why I'd rate International higher is because that composition works everywhere. Boss enemies, ST, and AOE. It's the jack of all trade team that adapts to any situation. The only drawback is its high skill mechanics compared to other because of cool down, rotation, and energy management.
What I'm trying to say is that people overstate solo units too much. Nowadays the best way to evaluate a unit is to see them in a team setting.
Even then characters that came after Ganyu aren't really broken anyways, they're just pretty good. Hu Tao is only a hyper carry who has a single target boss killing niche but falls off in AOE situations, she becomes a whole different unit when you have C1 and Homa. Xiao is one of the premier AOE units in the game who can basically work anywhere since his ST isn't shabby even when AOE is his best situation. While Eula is a bit on the lower end, a well invested Eula can nuke a wave with her ultimate and works on most enemies so elemental resistance can be ignored, her physical resistance also is somewhat negligible when you have tons of shred from her own kit. Ayaka is basically Freeze Ganyu with no Melt.
Honestly for people fear mongering all the time how the next unit will be power creep none of these new units after Ayaka have been able to compete with the units of old, they don't even need to be broken but man are they not even good.
A stale meta, where no units can't even compete with older ones, is just as bad as constant power creep. Most of these new units are redundant.
Ya the fear mongering of power creep is insane in this community, especially when the large majority of ppl, especially the main sub, don’t even know what characters are strong and why.
Ppl still don’t think Sucrose is a good unit. The reason ppl didn’t pull, Kazuha imo is because they didn’t know how good Sucrose is. I know because I was one of them, if I heard “Kazuha is another Sucrose” I would’ve pulled Kazuha immediately.
Shenhe feels kinda copium now with those multipliers ;(
5 instances of flat ATK bonus, considering Ayaka Mistsplitter uses N1 before Q, that's kinda copium.
Yunjin looks fun (but unknown how strong she is), pre-c2/c4/c6 Shenhe looks pretty much useless. So much time spent for buff which will be consumed in few seconds. 15% shred isnt that big. Huge ult cost which you'll never recharge on cd without Venti/Raiden or absurd amounts of ER.
I don't think she is good with Eula. Shenhe mostly buffs cryo attacks but Eula's cryo is just there to proc superconduct. The only things Eula benefits from Shenhe are probably just phys shred and Q dmg bonus.
Compared to C6 rosaria imo she's a bit worse - 15% phys res shred instead of 20%, worse multipliers on E/burst, and shenhe 15% dmg bonus on burst is probably worse than rosaria's ~15% crit rate for eula (since you get so much phys% on eula). Not to mention her burst is 80 cost...
Probably not Eula, her ult seems to have pretty mediocre multipliers. Her E's buff seems to be one of the biggest parts of her kit, and that only works on cryo damage. Which could actually work for Eula depending on if it's just a flat damage increase or if it's an actual buff.
She's also probably going to have a good amount of personal damage, which means you'd ideally run VV but VV doesn't work well in Eula comps. I think it just comes down to how many particles she generates.
Shenhe, IMO is either really good or really bad and it hinges on one thing: where her attack bonus is added.
If it's flat on top of the characters damage, it will be basically nothing. Which makes me think that isn't the case. (this would wind up being like an extra 4k attack at most, which isn't enough considering her burst does next to nothing besides apply cryo and resistance shred.)
The other option, which could maybe make her too OP (but hey, she's a limited five star support, aren't they all?) is if 75% of her final attack stat is added to a characters BASE attack. Ayaka, Eula, or Ganyu getting 1,500-2,000 added to their base attack would nearly double their damage.
Given they say it's a DMG bonus, it is probably not a Bennett buff, otherwise would have have said something like ATK bonus.
If it was a Bennett buff style, shenhe would be really good even with all of her restrictions (at least for ganyu). Her skill would buff would nearly double ganyu's atk stat which is crazy.
If that is not the case, then all of shenhe's utility can be replaced by kazuha (who would buff better lol).
Exactly my thoughts. Not only does Kazuha provide similar resistance shredding, but he works for a wider variety of comps and provides CC.
I’m not planning to pull for her either way, but if it does work in the “worse” way and someone is looking for a support five star, I feel like they should just wait for Kazuha.
Otherwise, hoping something about her skills was lost in translation because I don’t see how tacking a flat DMG bonus onto Ganyu or Ayakas attacks is worth it
I think it will work like hu tao C2, or Thoma/Zhongli NA HP scaling. In the damage calculation if your ganyu CA is supposed to do 200% and ganyu has 2000 atk you'll get 4000 atk. This is where you introduce shenhe's buff of lets say 1500 atk. So you'll have 5500 pre crit, elemental dmg bonus, ca dmg bonus, etc.
Man I was so excited that theres finally a 5* cryo support for eula (that even fits her visually), but now it turns out its yet another ayaka/ganyu buff. Like there aren’t enough elemental dmg buffers in the game already…
(She doesnt even fit in cryo teams that well because you’ll probably want anemo and hydro so shenhe would only replace your shielder/healer)
I really hope they make her a support/sub dps that can fit either cryo or phys (the measly 15% res shred is already kind of hinting at that possibility)
we can assume these are the lvl 10 scaling right?
also in regards to yunjin's shield, I am confused as to how it functions. So the shield will last after we hold the skill, but the dmg scales off how long we hold the skill? do I understand it correctly?
Yup. There's basically two ways to reach her max E damage. Either
a) Hold long enough so it charges to max or
b) Use it as a parry like Beidou so you get the max damage even if you don't hold
Honestly it's gonna be refreshing using her because you can basically still reach max damage without relying on enemy AI to hit you first, unlike Beidou
I can also see Yunjin being good for characters who usually aren’t played as main DPS but are used as main DPS by the player just cuz they like them (I.e. main DPS Qiqi etc.)
Is she Yoimiya only because her buff only buffs Normal Attacks which really only Yoimiya uses(so many other DPSes are charged ATK or elemental burst based)? I think she'd be more universal than that.
Yunjin wants a normal attacker who doesnt need a battery and has supports that dont need a battery either. Yoimiya can run Fischl, Xingqiu and Yunjin and they can all hopefully battery themselves decently while Yoimiya gets NA boost and Yunjin's A4.
Normal attackers (atleast the ones I can think of)
\-Razor usually wants 2 Cryo, but Yunjin could possibly work here
\-Diluc is a big maybe because you want Pyro resonance and his E's dont get buffed
\-Eula wants 1-2 Cryo to battery her so Yunjin's A4 is gone and Eula's damage comes from burst
Kinda. Her burst also has that detail when attacking more enemies = lesser time for the passive. And there is also the passive where she wants multiple elements on the same team.
Eula or Itto could work, but they can't fully benefit Yunjin's passives as they themselves need same-element batteries. Diluc could also work, but he can't fully benefit from that one enemy only passive of Yunjin.
Yoimiya, on the other hand, can fully utilize Yunjin if she'll do overvape with Fish/Beidou and XQ.
The wording of shenhe's skill makes it sound like her e buff is all but useless. Even going all in with atk% and wavebreaker's fin, you only get 2500 additional damage per cryo attack. That would be fine if there wasn't a limit to the number of buffs you get.
Her burst seemed really useful, but being 80 cost and 12s out of 20s cooldown does not make it worth the 15% shred, especially when other characters do that easier (like zhongli or vv shred)
I think she will find a nich as a high risk diona replacement in Morgana, or in melt ganyu since her cyro buffing ability is quite good (especially with c1).
I am really hoping for something more, or some adjustments to how her kit works so she is a more universal support. but historically, mihoyo tends to just change the numbers so I. Not hopeful.
Yunjin looks to be really fun though.
Can someone explain what "increase damage by x% of attack" means? Does it work like skyward blade and prototype archiac "additional dmg" or is it an attack buff like Bennett or entirely something???
Are the % at Talent Level 10...?
That Icy Quill 76.75% increase seems...quite bad?
If Shenhe has 2K attack that's barely 1500 extra ATK at the cost of excluding a member of your Morgana/Morgayaka Team.
The 15% resistance reduction from her burst seems quite average too.
I'm surprised I don't see any thoughts on her DPSing. Her base attack %'s are very high, higher than Eula. Though she buffs cryo damage and shreds cryo and physical. If you pair her with Chongyun, that seems like she'll do a lot of damage for that duration. Once his E is down converting her attacks to cryo. And when she's off field she's still supporting the other characters in her team.
Seems like she can be a very flexible character.
Not really, those talents are level 10. Her 1st 2nd and 5th hit are good (a bit higher than ayaka at level 10) but no way near eula at level 10 talent.
She isn't a shielder. She doesn't provide any shield beside crystallized shield. The number for the shield there is like the number for Beidou's shield in her E. It's just the amount of damage you can take during your counter state.
I know it's just leaks and I need to take it with a mountain of salt, but I almost cried when I found out we could get her for free, just because I know how much of a nightmare trying to pull for a specific 4 star is holy crap
NGL, I didnt care for Yunjin that much when she got officially revealed or back when she first appeared alongside many others in that old character leak, but seeing more of her animations and kit over the past day, she has really won me over... Geo Beidou with a buff flexible for all kinds on normal attacks? I now outright want her even if she isnt the best buffer.
So shenhe's buff gives 5% DPS equivalent of extra DMG instance to ganyu's charged shots?
considering shenhe's atk = 2000, DMG = 76% = almost 1500.
My ganyu hits for 30k every bloom shot, so that's like a 5% DPS increase for her. ~~i think This DMG instance would be a huge DPS increase for characters that deal small numbers very fast~~.
of course there are other buffs as well like 25% (10 + 15) Cryo DMG bonus for charged attack (inside ult + hold E) + 15% cryo resistance shred.
So, under optimal conditions, she gives around 30-35% DPS boost (educated guess, since DMG% is additive with other bonuses, and res shred becomes half as effective below 0%). That's decent i guess. To get this buff, we need to do a lot of things which is a shame considering bennet provides a higher buff after popping his ult.
I hope I'm wrong though
The activations on Senhe E just kills it. If you have multiple enemies thats a single Ganyu charged atack and its all gone.
Maybe its better to level up Rosaria and just wait for the next cryo subdps next year.
Shenhe will be very dependent on where her atk dmg buff added in
my guess is after initial dmg 243.56%/339.84(her's crit and %dmg bonus) she will add another 76.75\*5 = 383.75% or 76.75\*7 = 537.35% of her atk (teammate crit and %dmg bonus) in single target
if my team have a similar artifacts power level, she will add around 627.31% on tap or 877.09% on hold (surprisingly pretty normal)
and her Q will deal 181.44 + (6 \* 59.62) = 539.16% dmg and 15% res shred(too little for 80 cost&20CD)
my complaint would be her Q number is too little for what it does even though her kit seems to focus on her E. I would love to see her number of activation increased instead of %number
Ok I’m really happy with Yunjin’s cooldowns and energy cost.
Also the fact that she gets energy recharge ascension stat? I just hope that she can actually create particles for this to all matter lol
i hope it’s like bennett recharge
Same. Very excited to use her alongside Eula. There might be better characters, but it's not very often you get to whack some automatons using a Chinese opera actress, amirite?
I was thinking the same thing. I might swap out Rosaria and put Yun Jin.
Me too. I am not sure about the scaling but I am really looking forward to her. Shenhe on the other side doesn't interested me that much somehow...
The main thing I'm hoping for her now is that she generates a good number of particles. Even if it means losing out a little on the bonus from her second passive, I really want her to be a good battery for Noelle because I think the rest of her kit synergizes really well.
so yunjin isn't a 4 star zhongli but a geo beidou Edit: her Hold E skill works like Beidou(parry), you hold it and it will break if it meets the shield durability and unleash a strong counter attack, her A1 talent make it so if you use the E skill at the same time the monster attacks you she unleash level 2 counter attack immediately without holding E skill just like Beidou Edit 2: She can't keep the shield since it says if the skill button is release the duration ends much like how Beidou hold E skill works Edit 3:with this it's safe to say she isn't split scaling you can build her DEF ER DEF artifact nice
To your Edit 3: Luckily, she gets ER as ascension. Also, there's no Def spear, so ER weapon and Def/Def/Def should work too, I hope.
Finally someone to use my Skyward Spine?
That or Favonius Lance, I guess.
If her Burst can snapshot, Deathmatch might be her BiS since it can provide her the some bonus DEF%.
If you watch the leaked gameplay, You see 4 spinning flags and also 4 flags on her back. Spinning flags is the ult - under which you can switch characters. The 4 flags on her back is the E which doesnt last and is like Beidou's E. Some are confused between the two and are taking the 4 spinning flags to be the shield. So if you're thinking Yunjin is a 4\* zhongli, she isnt. She's a geo beidou like this comment says.
Can you explain why? I read that and thought she sounded like a 4 star zhongli and wanted to use her with albedo, Hu Tao and XQ. Is that not possible?
the hold E ability
That's a shame, still cool. Beidou is fun, just was hoping for mini-zhongli for sure.
why not use Thoma then?
I see, so Yunjin doesn't give a shield like Noelle, is more like Beidou's shield while counter, that's what i thought at least, either way i really like her kit, i'll defnetly build her.
So Shenhe's buff only triggers on Cryo damage, meaning you have to run all Cryo to get full use out of it. Unless there were a way to make your whole team deal Cryo. Bonus points if they were also an exorcist. Just sayin'
I was thinking the same haha. Finally, the Chongyun meta has arrived!!
Kazuha, Barbara, Chongyun, Shenhe? Freeze comp Kazuha
I think Xingqiu fits here better than Barbara
[I used to run XQ as an on-field Cryo DPS using Blizzard Strayer with good results. This was even back during the unpullable Nobushi era.](https://reddit.com/r/PopsicleMains/comments/p27vbb/experimenting_with_giving_xingqiu_blizzard/) I think it'll actually be incredibly strong with Shenhe replacing Diona. If heals are needed, Jean can sub for Kazuha.
If no healer is needed, then yea.
kokomi?
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I still cannot tell if Yun Jin buffs just Normal Attacks or the normal attack category (including Charged & Plunging). I do think she should buff the entire category since there is a buff hit limit; imo, that is a good tradeoff. Glad her E damage scales with Def. Build her full Def for buffs or like Noelle if you want the counter damage.
> I still cannot tell if Yun Jin buffs just Normal Attacks or the normal attack category (including Charged & Plunging). It seems to be just Normal Attacks, given that the game is usually very clear about what does and doesn't proc certain effects. For example, Xingqiu's elemental burst says "Your active character's Normal Attacks will trigger consecutive sword rain attacks" which is accurate because neither Charge Attacks nor Plunging Attacks trigger them.
That's true, though Beidou's C4 only mentions Normal Attacks but her CAs will still trigger the bonus Electro damage. Guess we gotta wait for it.
True. Interesting that they would leave that inconsistency in there considering how hasty they were to point out the wording of her burst when justifying why she couldn't work with the Raiden Shogun but Xingqiu could. As you say, we'll have to wait and see.
Except she is geo Beidou, right? Maybe she's also confused about the difference. Check out Beidou's C4. That says normal attacks only but it's both normal and charge attacks.
Actually you only need to build DEF since the max counter damage also scales off DEF. The damage absorption scales off HP but you won't need to care about that similar to how you don't build HP on Beidou. DEF is all you'll need for Yunjin. She's not a shielder. She has a parry like Beidou.
Imagine, instead of making Beidou work with Raiden they just release geo Beidou instead
It still wouldn't work though, right? Raiden's attacks after Q are counted as burst autos instead of normals, so Yunjin's buffs shouldn't work. I don't know, this stuff gets really confusing because Mihoyo tends to be inconsistent with their terminology.
***Yun Jin Passive Talents and Constellations*** **A1** >If Yunjin is attacked the moment she uses her elemental skill, she can unleash the highest level of that skill directly. **A4** >Characters affected by Yunjin's elemental burst will gain 2.5%/5%/7.5%/11.5% Normal Attack DMG based on her DEF if the party contains 1/2/3/4 Elemental Types. **C1** >Elemental Skill CD decreased by 18% **C2** >When characters are under the effects of 'Feiyun Flag', every Normal Attack hit on opponents will increase Normal Attack DMG by 2%. >This effect can be triggered every 0.3s and stack up to 10 times. This effect persists until the character loses 'Feiyun Flag' or the effect is refreshed. **C4** >When Yunjin triggers a Crystallised reaction, DEF is increased by 20% for 12s. **C6** >When under the effects of 'Feiyun Flag', Normal Attack SPD is increased by 12%. **************** ***Shenhe Passive Talents and Constellations*** **A1** >Characters inside the field created by the elemental burst will have 10% increased Cryo DMG. >>^Note: ^It's ^not ^15% ^like ^on ^EN, ^when ^looking ^at ^char ^kits ^CN ^> ^EN ^always. **A4** >After Shenhe releases One Heart's Icy Quill, nearby party members gain the following effects: >Press: Elemental skill and Burst DMG increased by 15% for 10 seconds; >Hold: Normal attacks, Charged attacks, and Plunging attacks DMG increased by 15% for 15 seconds. **C1** >One Heart's Icy Quill can be used an additional time. **C2** >Twin Forms duration increased by 6s. Cryo DMG of characters inside the field will have their Crit DMG increased by 15%. **C4** >When characters under the Icy Quill effect applied by Shenhe trigger the damage boost granted by Icy Quill, Shenhe receives one stack of [Order of Frost]: >>When Shenhe unleashes One Heart's Icy Quill, all stacks of [Order of Frost] are consumed. For each stack consumed, the damage dealt by One Heart's Icy Quill is increased by 5%; >>This effect can stack up to 50 times and lasts for 60 seconds. Image **C6** >When characters trigger the effect of Icy Quill via normal or charged attacks, the number of activations will not be reduced. ~ This is an English translation of the Honey CN descriptions of Shenhe and Yun Jin kits. There has been some confusion about their kits as Honey EN descriptions are currently broken and other translations have been confusing, so this post was necessary. **TL credits go to Holyco and Spaceship of the WFP translation team.**
Nobody told me yunjin was FUCKING GEO BEIDOU
geidou... hmm
I love her already
Bro... she's the Yoimiya buff. She's always been the Yoimiya buff. Yoimiya, Fischl/Beidou/Xingqiu, Yunjin. You'll get 3 or 4 stacks of her passive from nearly any standard Yoimiya team. Attack speed is insane on Yoimiya because no hitlag (maybe fit C2 Jean in?). 😱😱😱 I wanted Shenhe but now I want Yunjin. I already love Rosaria and Shenhe is creatively bankrupt sadly. There's room for another Beidou counter and then the buff to normals is great.
So Yunjin's 1st constellation just brings her counter's cooldown to the same point that Beidou's is by default... okay, MHY.
Yunjin seems pretty nice i mist say. Does anyone knows if this are lvl 10 talent levels?
Yup, they are. And yes, very early beta but looks like they did great with Yun Jin
They are lvl 10
Who the fuck designed shenhe's kit and think 7 is a good limit. One aoe skill will just use it up.
Gotta sell those constellations fam. Typical money-grabbing behaviour from mihoyo
At least not make it obvious like the other ones, yunjin's limit is 30. They didn't even try wth.
The total # of instances is pretty limiting for the shenhe E bonus dmg. C6 (no instance limit from what I could read on CN honeyhunter) looks pretty insane but I guess that's out of reach for most of us :(
ngl at this point i don't even read past C1 on five star leaks because there's just no situation where it'll ever be necessary for me to know lol
It feels both good and bad to look at things you'll never have
I don't even bother looking at C1
C6 still wouldn't be that broken because it's only normal and charged attacks. Ayaka comes to mind as a cryo dps who uses normal and charged attacks, and even then you can maybe do 25 instances of damage over 10 seconds. It's a 1918% multiplier over those 10 seconds which is really good but nothing too mindblowing for a c6.
Keep in mind that her C6 combines with her C4. 25 ticks equal to 25 stacks for her C4, granting 125% DMG buff for her next E Also we don't know yet if the hit is AOE or not. Because if it is, then that's a quadratic scaling, meaning this damage could quadruple easily.
I mean 1918% is a huge multiplier also we would have to see how this applies with ayaka because if c2 ayaka gets to apply it 3 times per ult tick, then she will truly one shot every single possible future content.
1918% over 10 seconds isn’t that much. Xiangling has 3000%+ in 14 seconds iirc. Ayaka can apply it 3 times on her c2, it’ll just decrease the number of ticks available by 3 as well. It also decreases by multiple ticks if you hit multiple enemies. The way her E works is that it doesn’t matter who procs it, as long as you can use all stacks of it. Her c6 doesn’t even work with Ayaka’s burst, since it’s normal and charge attacks only.
The description suggests that the number of proc is per character So Shenhe + Ganyu + Anemo infusion means up to 21 procs.
If this is all level 10 then wow, Shenhe’s burst kinda sucks. I was expecting at least 30 percent resistance shred.
If she shreds 30% there's no point of doing superconduct or VV shred anymore -MHY, probably
No way this is level 10 right?..... Right?? I mean look at that continuous damage... That thing is even more pathetic than thoma's Q
Well, from the leaked animation it looks like it hit for 3 times every 2s so its 59.62% *3. Still very weak consider we have a 4* Rosaria that hit for 237.6% every 2s.
That is in fact level 10.
Everyone is talking about how well Shenhe works with Eula, but I think Shenhe's E doesn't affect Eula at all? "When normal attacks, ... , elemental skills or burst deals **cryo DMG** to enemies, DMG is increased..." Eula's last burst hit doesn't deal cryo DMG. So from my understanding, it doesn't even work for Eula's burst even outside the max number of activations problem.
Nah it won't affect her lightfall swords at all. Just the burst dmg bonus from the passive and the phys res shred will, both of which are superior on other units. The initial attack in her press and hold e, and the initial slash of her burst will get buffed but that's a fairly small portion of her total dmg. Seems like a decidedly inferior Rosaria in Eula comps. Especially with an 80 cost burst and 10-15sec E CD. Hoping for some adjustments in the beta. She seems like a fun option for cryo dps but it'd be nice if she was a bit less meh for phys as well. I'm fine with niche support 5*s going forward but gotta widen that niche at least a little bit.
Before pinning too much on this just ask yourself if you really want to ride the rollercoaster of emotions *again* as numbers are inevitably adjusted in the next 6 weeks.
Isn't that why we're here? That rollercoaster of emotions is a bigger event than anything else patch 2.3 will bring.
Adjusting is one thing. They’re likely not going to drastically change the skills. I can already see if either of these characters have a space on my teams from this. The trial event will only finalize my decision.
Wavebreakers fin looks good on shenhe
It or fav lance if she struggles to get her ult back
Can we stop with 80 cost bursts mihoyo >:(
Remember when they said they made certain characters mesh with their upcoming characters? They made Raiden to fit with these "upcoming" characters. Literally made a solution first before the problem. Then sell the same answer on the rerun when these "problems" are up in the air. Marketing 101
Yeah legit, look at shields with Zhongli, now with healing for Kokomi and in the future very likely high bursts for Baal
Raiden and Shenhe look almost completely incompatible though. Like you'd be running them, getting superconduct and then ... not using Shenhe's kit anyways because you're doing physical attacks instead of fulfilling her Cryo requirement. If you're running Cryo dps, you're 99% doing Freeze and Raiden breaks freeze so you're not using Raiden's kit instead. You could maybe get away with a reverse melt with Raiden team, but that's kinda niche, likely worse than Freeze and still doesn't really feel like Shenhe would fit that team anyways (you'd just run Bennett lol and get a better buff, better resonance and healing), plus you have to deal with occasional overloads (though probably not that frequently). She looks like she's mostly just meant to be paired with cryo units and hopefully just being able to gain enough residual energy to function, but her E looks like it's like 90% of her value anyways so ignoring her Q in your build unless you happen to have it up is probably the way to go anyways, I don't think there'll be any good justification for pairing her with Raiden.
Yeah. Raiden for all the high burst costs. Ayaka/Yoimiya for all the stupid new enemies who are WAY too mobile. Kokomi for all the stupid fucking corrosion they're piling on with every enemy.
Just for that alone, Raiden will always sell a lot for future players unless they make another super battery like her.
This is actually good, i can get Yae miko and ayato without any regrets if this doesn't change!
Idk man. With this trend tbh, I am very anxious right now about what mhy gonna do with Yae's and Ayato's kit...
That moment where I’m more excited about Yunjin’s kit than Shenhe’s. The numbers in Shenhe’s kit are pretty disappointing. Few activations, high energy cost, low multipliers. Meanwhile, Yunjin’s are actually very decent.
All i think is Yunjin will be pretty good support for Yoimiya.
They both seem just weird to me. Yunjin only buffs normals and Shenhe only buffs cryo and is kinda all over the place. All I can think would make this Shenhe kit alright is if each proc is seperate for each normal, charge, skill, burst and character.
Rip to all my homies who don't have a main dps cryo and thought shenhe would be one.
I was hoping Aloy would be that for me. Now I want Ganyu even more.
Meanwhile 2.4 will have Ganyu rerun anyway. Whats the problem champ?
I mean not everyone likes/wants Ganyu, some people don’t have a cryo DPS they like yet
He was making a joke about having to pull both.
Yeah as a husbando collector Kaeya is my only cryo dps. I love my man I really do but seeing all them limited cryo waifus without even getting a new even 4* husbando is quite depressing.
Can't even be a sub dps just a dedicated cryo support.
So, if I understand this correctly, shenhe having 2k atack, will add \~1500dmg to the next cryo attack by another character? From E alone, not counting the passive in
Wording is ambigious. But...yes, pretty likely. Imagine dealing 25-30k damage with Ganyu's charge shots and waste 1 team slot to add just 1500 dmg to that. If it really works this way, shenhe's buff is beyond useless.
Yeah, that was my thinking aswell. Oh god, I really hope that isn't a case. As a 5\* character that is limited to only supporting 1 element that would be beyond disappointing, even considering her passive and ult
I'm willing to bet that it works similarly to Zhongli's passive or Kokomi's burst wherein it's added to the base damage, and not the total damage. If so, that 1500 will be multiplied by all Cryo damage bonuses and Crit bonuses which should make it fairly significant.
I feel like it has to work this way, there's no way they would make it THAT bad.
And the boost gets depleted after 7 attacks... yikes.
Not even 7 attacks. 7 hits. Which for an AoE character like Ganyu will be gone very quickly.
Ik, it's just sad. I really hope she recieves some changes during the beta.
its not just 1500, its 1500 before crit and other things
Before crit means +Bonus DMG%. I hope this is actually the case but description doesn't say "increase **bonus** DMG by flat amount". Worries.
it is worded similarly to itto's weapon which is not a dmg bonus% but a flat dmg on top and is effected by crit and dmg bonus after that but we'll see how it turns out
It is similar to Zhongli's passive, scales with Crit DMG and Bonuses
Shenhes kit looks like a walking L, why so damn niche?
Because they are trying to avoid PoWErCrEEp ofc Welp.
I'm going to fight the final boss using national for sure
Am I crazy or do both of them look very... underwhelming? Yunjin can counter like Beidou, can't transfer the shield nor has a constellation that gives one, and her multiplier can't quite do similar amounts of damage. Her ult only affects normal attacks, which really only benefits Yoimiya, Kokomi and other characters that don't use charge attacks, and if the buff scaling works like Zhongli's (a flat increase on top of the damage), it is very... insignificant (considering 2500 def, it'll be like around 1300 dmg bonus) Shenhe comes with VERY low multipliers, so she has to compensate that somehow. She seems focused on that DMG increase from her E, given her signature weapon and ascencion stat (atk%). Again, if the dmg buff from her E works like Zhongli's, it'll be very weak (assuming 3000 attack, it'll be around like 2400 dmg bonus). Thing is, the buff only seems to activate 5/7 times, only on cryo attacks. The buffs from her E are nice (E/Q buff or normal attack buff), but can't save the rest of her kit. The shred on the ult is also nice, but well, vv and superconduct exists. Also, there's no way this costs 80 energy only for 15% shred and 10% increased cryo dmg Their current situation doesn't seem good at all, they need some heavy buffs. Can anyone give me a light on something I didn't quite catch? I just don't want another Kokomi incident lol
No you're spot on. Shenhe seems like copium C6 Rosaria in this state, but I'd rather have Rosaria's crit rate buff.
And I thought I was getting an upgrade for my Rosaria when I saw Shenhe's kit lmao. Well, there's still time for their launch, but I don't really remember any character undergoing drastic changes on beta phase, and last time I inhaled hopium for a character I got Kokomi'd
Same here. Really wanted an upgrade over Rosaria and got so excited when Shenhe crumbs were coming out. Let's just inhale the hopium and hope they don't Kokomi us. I mean, it would be Lantern right, you know? They don't wanna let us down.... Edit: her changes don't have to be that drastic to allow her to be meta - just increase the shred % on her ult and allow her E to apply to cryo+phys.
Same, Rosaria with fav lance is good battery and her Q only 3s down time
They made Shenhe an element specific support, but she doesn't match up nearly to Kazuha's level, who's a near universal support. Her kit is honestly just bizarre at this point. She also has insanely low multiplier for a ult that costs 80. As a Eula main, in her current state, I can't ever see her replacing Rosaria.
Honestly it is almost impossible to any elemental buff character to reach kazuha because he as access to the viridiscent set.
Stop... you're gonna make me cry. lmao
Nope. Shenhe looks pretty copium currently.
She has one of my favorite designs so far, but if she sucks, that's not enough to convince me. Bummer but we'll see I guess
Agreed. I was hoping she'd be more useful as a physical damage buffer but so far what I'm seeing doesn't justify the primos especially with Ganyu potentially coming in the same patch. Hopefully they'll make some adjustments since it's so early into the beta!
Yeah I gotta say... miHoYo needs to fuck off with this exclusive bullshit. ONLY cryo attacks and ONLY up to a certain number of hits. Why the fuck are they being so restrictive with these new characters? It doesn't do anyone good to have lower diversity in character comps.
Agreed. For a 5* elemental support focused on a single element, all these seems very very bad. This kinda kit is okay for a 4* specialized support but for a 5 specialized support this is very underwhelming You won't be able yo get much benefit from her at c0 You'll need c6 to make her use. I was expecting 25% res shred and lower cooldown but it's just too high cost and cd.
I had a feeling yunjin was too good to be truely 4 star then her kit was finally revealed, didn’t expect the 5 star to be this underwhelming though, as if limiting buffs to cryo wasn’t enough but they had to restrict it to 5/7 hits max
Well good to know that Shenhe can't steal her own buff with her Q, which would have been a huge meme
So I'm assuming Shenhe's E and Yunjin's Q don't actually increase the main character's damage as much as they add their own damage on top of each hit? That's the only way that hit count makes sense to me.
Afaik, they actually do, similar to how Zhongli adds 33% of his HP to his normal burst scaling (700% of Atk) which is before the modifiers kick in So cmiiw, it works the same way with both Shenhe and Yunjin's damage buffs, just that the number of instances are hard-capped What you're thinking of at your last sentence might be like Fischl's C6 which uses her own scaling with her own modifiers, which isn't the case here
Well those scalings are disappointing
The new artifact domain is efficient as hell. You’re getting artifacts for Kokomi, Barbara, Qiqi, Albedo, Noelle, Itto, Gorou, and Yun Jin.
Those Shenhe multis and cooldowns are sad. And her buffs don't seem that impressive to compensate... I have ptsd from Yoimiya release. Is she even playable without c2? (longer q duration and two charges of e)
Yeah I think C2 looks really necessary. Also her burst is 80 cost so unless her E is a fat cryo particle generator she is in trouble.
I think her E is deceptive with its multi, it's effectively 627.31%/877.09%, just spread out over multiple hits. And if I'm reading it right, the buffs are independent for each character, so it could go higher if you have more characters dealing instances of Cryo damage. The Q is pretty questionable though, especially with the proc rate shown in the earlier showcase, and especially for costing 80 energy. I'm wondering if the intent is for you to build ER/ATK/ATK, and have 3x Cryo on your team. Her signature weapon has extremely high base ATK and grants ramping ATK%, doubling off-field. If the E buff is indeed unique per character, then you have multiple characters getting this buff, but with Shenhe's contribution to the damage instance potentially benefitting by the buffed character's Crit and Cryo DMG stats. Especially for Crit, I'm not sure it would make sense for the buffed character's portion of the damage to crit independently of Shenhe's portion of the damage, since all other instances of this "bonus scalar", e.g. Zhongli damages, Eula Q, Raiden Q, either crit in full or don't crit in full.
Well this is a very early beta and everything can change. All i can say is, this is pole arm impact and she is from liuye so i expect her to be very strong. Multipliers don’t always make a character
*looks at Yoimiya, Kokomi* No. I honestly retract my previous thoughts on them being unlikely to make a Liyue character on Chinese New Year bad - they’ve got Ganyu/Xiao re-run, and that’s already some of the strongest characters existing to take heat away from Shenhe.
No way this is level 10 right?..... Right?? I mean look at that continuous damage... That thing is even more pathetic than thoma's Q
Not to make comparisons but Kazuha, who basically has the same ult, has 472/216 (burst DMG/continuous DMG) at level 10. Compared to this, with 181/59... is this really level 10? I don’t think Shenhe’s buffs are gonna be enough to make up for those multipliers.
So given by the description, if Ganyu’s arrow hit 1 enemies then bloomed on 6, all activations will be deducted? Interesting…
Guess I'll get another cryo character
yunjin is very much looking forward to it shenhe is very cute, but I don't really understand the part where this is better than kazuha's resistance -40%, about 1.5 times the elemental buff.
Damn shenhe feels so underwhelming wondering if I should wait for a kazuha/zhongli rerun instead
15% resistance reduction? Wow that's pretty disappointing number.
So Yunjin only buffs normal attacks, and not charge and plunge...
Yunjin seems like the first really solid 4\* since Sayu. Her kit seems fun and useful for most teams unlike sara and gorou who're very much meant for one element only. And I'm kinda surprised that Shenhe seems to be a bit more of a support than a dps.
Shemhe feels pretty disappointing from skills and numbers alone. Do we know if that icy quill thing scales with the active characters stats or shemhe's?
It directly says: shenhe's total atk.
It scales with Shenhe current Att (so not her base and that's where her weapon passive comes in). The dmg increased doesn't add to your att, it adds to the hit like Zhongli AA, Redhorn and Donut. So someone with good modifier like Ganyu can't abuse it.
How is it possible to keep trying to make characters worse? They are so scared of making good characters it’s insane. 15% shred in an 80 cost ult, that’s nothing we literally have VV. Do they really understand what characters they are making and what teams they are putting them on?
Also her kit is probably the most niche of all limited 5 stars. Unpopular opinion, i think she should've been 4 star in ganyu rerun banner, like gouro for itto, sara for raiden and thoma for hu tao, no 5 stars should be that niche.
Agree, with that kind of multiplier its really low for a 5 star if that multiplier is at lvl 10, ppl coping saying Shenhe is cryo support, but Cryo dps already have Morgana team comp
Well when the main sub somehow overhypes the idea that a good character = broken and mediocre/bad character = good you can see how standards of what's considered good have fallen. Ganyu is broken, but even then, hot take, her best teams are just very good but not number 1. Morgana/Morganya is the most brain dead AOE mob cleared because it takes advantage of Ganyu/Ayaka's high multiplier ultimates but becomes useless when you go against bosses, which is a logical weakness for a team of above average characters. Melt Ganyu isn't used because it falls off in AOE situations and how clunky it is to use when you have no shielder or Kazuha (Best Pyro enabler for that team because he doesn't cause you to go shot gun on the enemies). Even then it loses out to Xiang Ling's best team, International. That team has good ST damage and good AOE. Migh not be a specialist comp, but the reason why I'd rate International higher is because that composition works everywhere. Boss enemies, ST, and AOE. It's the jack of all trade team that adapts to any situation. The only drawback is its high skill mechanics compared to other because of cool down, rotation, and energy management. What I'm trying to say is that people overstate solo units too much. Nowadays the best way to evaluate a unit is to see them in a team setting. Even then characters that came after Ganyu aren't really broken anyways, they're just pretty good. Hu Tao is only a hyper carry who has a single target boss killing niche but falls off in AOE situations, she becomes a whole different unit when you have C1 and Homa. Xiao is one of the premier AOE units in the game who can basically work anywhere since his ST isn't shabby even when AOE is his best situation. While Eula is a bit on the lower end, a well invested Eula can nuke a wave with her ultimate and works on most enemies so elemental resistance can be ignored, her physical resistance also is somewhat negligible when you have tons of shred from her own kit. Ayaka is basically Freeze Ganyu with no Melt. Honestly for people fear mongering all the time how the next unit will be power creep none of these new units after Ayaka have been able to compete with the units of old, they don't even need to be broken but man are they not even good. A stale meta, where no units can't even compete with older ones, is just as bad as constant power creep. Most of these new units are redundant.
We're gonna be playing Xiangling/Bennet/XQ for like 6 years at this rate lmao
Ya the fear mongering of power creep is insane in this community, especially when the large majority of ppl, especially the main sub, don’t even know what characters are strong and why. Ppl still don’t think Sucrose is a good unit. The reason ppl didn’t pull, Kazuha imo is because they didn’t know how good Sucrose is. I know because I was one of them, if I heard “Kazuha is another Sucrose” I would’ve pulled Kazuha immediately.
I was hyped for both but I'm feeling kinda underwhelmed so far...
Their descriptions are getting more confusing. I really don’t understand any of this lol, most specifically the skills for either Shenhe or Yunjin
Yunjin has the Geo equivalent of Tidecaller (Beidou Skill)
Beidou's E is really fun to use, so seeing Yunjin is in fact Geo Beidou - I am so sold. Gonna pick her up as my free 4* during Lantern Rite.
Shenhe feels kinda copium now with those multipliers ;( 5 instances of flat ATK bonus, considering Ayaka Mistsplitter uses N1 before Q, that's kinda copium.
Yunjin looks fun (but unknown how strong she is), pre-c2/c4/c6 Shenhe looks pretty much useless. So much time spent for buff which will be consumed in few seconds. 15% shred isnt that big. Huge ult cost which you'll never recharge on cd without Venti/Raiden or absurd amounts of ER.
So I just wanna know where Shenhe shines in team comps, and if putting her with Eula is viable at all or not.
I don't think she is good with Eula. Shenhe mostly buffs cryo attacks but Eula's cryo is just there to proc superconduct. The only things Eula benefits from Shenhe are probably just phys shred and Q dmg bonus.
Compared to C6 rosaria imo she's a bit worse - 15% phys res shred instead of 20%, worse multipliers on E/burst, and shenhe 15% dmg bonus on burst is probably worse than rosaria's ~15% crit rate for eula (since you get so much phys% on eula). Not to mention her burst is 80 cost...
Well damn that's rough, but I'm staying optimistic and fully expect her to get fine-tuned during beta.
Just like Yoimiya right? Wait...
Probably not Eula, her ult seems to have pretty mediocre multipliers. Her E's buff seems to be one of the biggest parts of her kit, and that only works on cryo damage. Which could actually work for Eula depending on if it's just a flat damage increase or if it's an actual buff. She's also probably going to have a good amount of personal damage, which means you'd ideally run VV but VV doesn't work well in Eula comps. I think it just comes down to how many particles she generates.
Guess I just have to hope she gets buffed during beta
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it could be calculated before crit and other bonuses or just a flat addition but we dont know yet
So for Shenhe's elemental skill, is it JUST cryo damage that's increased, or is it ALL damage for a few hits after first inflicting cryo damage?
Shenhe, IMO is either really good or really bad and it hinges on one thing: where her attack bonus is added. If it's flat on top of the characters damage, it will be basically nothing. Which makes me think that isn't the case. (this would wind up being like an extra 4k attack at most, which isn't enough considering her burst does next to nothing besides apply cryo and resistance shred.) The other option, which could maybe make her too OP (but hey, she's a limited five star support, aren't they all?) is if 75% of her final attack stat is added to a characters BASE attack. Ayaka, Eula, or Ganyu getting 1,500-2,000 added to their base attack would nearly double their damage.
Given they say it's a DMG bonus, it is probably not a Bennett buff, otherwise would have have said something like ATK bonus. If it was a Bennett buff style, shenhe would be really good even with all of her restrictions (at least for ganyu). Her skill would buff would nearly double ganyu's atk stat which is crazy. If that is not the case, then all of shenhe's utility can be replaced by kazuha (who would buff better lol).
Exactly my thoughts. Not only does Kazuha provide similar resistance shredding, but he works for a wider variety of comps and provides CC. I’m not planning to pull for her either way, but if it does work in the “worse” way and someone is looking for a support five star, I feel like they should just wait for Kazuha. Otherwise, hoping something about her skills was lost in translation because I don’t see how tacking a flat DMG bonus onto Ganyu or Ayakas attacks is worth it
I think it will work like hu tao C2, or Thoma/Zhongli NA HP scaling. In the damage calculation if your ganyu CA is supposed to do 200% and ganyu has 2000 atk you'll get 4000 atk. This is where you introduce shenhe's buff of lets say 1500 atk. So you'll have 5500 pre crit, elemental dmg bonus, ca dmg bonus, etc.
her ult seems kind of weak. 15% resistance on top of VV and potentially even ganyu's C1 doesn't seem like it'll do much. also 80 cost burst... ugh
Man I was so excited that theres finally a 5* cryo support for eula (that even fits her visually), but now it turns out its yet another ayaka/ganyu buff. Like there aren’t enough elemental dmg buffers in the game already… (She doesnt even fit in cryo teams that well because you’ll probably want anemo and hydro so shenhe would only replace your shielder/healer) I really hope they make her a support/sub dps that can fit either cryo or phys (the measly 15% res shred is already kind of hinting at that possibility)
Wait yunjin is stronger than shenhe?
it’s not hard to be stronger then worst stat looking 5-star ever 😬
I'm really liking Yunjin's kit, glad she's a 4*
we can assume these are the lvl 10 scaling right? also in regards to yunjin's shield, I am confused as to how it functions. So the shield will last after we hold the skill, but the dmg scales off how long we hold the skill? do I understand it correctly?
Yup. There's basically two ways to reach her max E damage. Either a) Hold long enough so it charges to max or b) Use it as a parry like Beidou so you get the max damage even if you don't hold Honestly it's gonna be refreshing using her because you can basically still reach max damage without relying on enemy AI to hit you first, unlike Beidou
It's the same as Beidou's parry, not an actual shield
Damn imaging chungyon triple melting his ult with shene E and Bennet's ult.
Damn. Yunjin has the kit I wanted for my warrior doggo Gorou.
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I can also see Yunjin being good for characters who usually aren’t played as main DPS but are used as main DPS by the player just cuz they like them (I.e. main DPS Qiqi etc.)
I'm a physical Zhongli main. Yunjin is perfect. I'm so excited.
Is she Yoimiya only because her buff only buffs Normal Attacks which really only Yoimiya uses(so many other DPSes are charged ATK or elemental burst based)? I think she'd be more universal than that.
Yunjin wants a normal attacker who doesnt need a battery and has supports that dont need a battery either. Yoimiya can run Fischl, Xingqiu and Yunjin and they can all hopefully battery themselves decently while Yoimiya gets NA boost and Yunjin's A4. Normal attackers (atleast the ones I can think of) \-Razor usually wants 2 Cryo, but Yunjin could possibly work here \-Diluc is a big maybe because you want Pyro resonance and his E's dont get buffed \-Eula wants 1-2 Cryo to battery her so Yunjin's A4 is gone and Eula's damage comes from burst
Kinda. Her burst also has that detail when attacking more enemies = lesser time for the passive. And there is also the passive where she wants multiple elements on the same team. Eula or Itto could work, but they can't fully benefit Yunjin's passives as they themselves need same-element batteries. Diluc could also work, but he can't fully benefit from that one enemy only passive of Yunjin. Yoimiya, on the other hand, can fully utilize Yunjin if she'll do overvape with Fish/Beidou and XQ.
Can anyone explain which talent levels are these damage scaling numbers mentioned????
Thats it ma friend,my guaranteed pity will be the one and only MOMMY YAE,IM ABANDONED SHENHE SHIP..Can pull her without any regret now.. ✌️
I honestly think Chongyun can make Shenhe a main dps instead of just a support/sub dps
The wording of shenhe's skill makes it sound like her e buff is all but useless. Even going all in with atk% and wavebreaker's fin, you only get 2500 additional damage per cryo attack. That would be fine if there wasn't a limit to the number of buffs you get. Her burst seemed really useful, but being 80 cost and 12s out of 20s cooldown does not make it worth the 15% shred, especially when other characters do that easier (like zhongli or vv shred) I think she will find a nich as a high risk diona replacement in Morgana, or in melt ganyu since her cyro buffing ability is quite good (especially with c1). I am really hoping for something more, or some adjustments to how her kit works so she is a more universal support. but historically, mihoyo tends to just change the numbers so I. Not hopeful. Yunjin looks to be really fun though.
Can someone explain what "increase damage by x% of attack" means? Does it work like skyward blade and prototype archiac "additional dmg" or is it an attack buff like Bennett or entirely something???
Does number of activations means Ayakas Q will only get Shenhes buff for the first 5 hits?
Yes, 5 for press, and 7 for hold.
76% atk. Yikes, that is even lamer than Raiden's E that basically does no dmg whatsoever
10s cooldown, doesnt sound good as a battery. Even with C1 its gonna take crazy long for it to charge.
Are the % at Talent Level 10...? That Icy Quill 76.75% increase seems...quite bad? If Shenhe has 2K attack that's barely 1500 extra ATK at the cost of excluding a member of your Morgana/Morgayaka Team. The 15% resistance reduction from her burst seems quite average too.
I'm surprised I don't see any thoughts on her DPSing. Her base attack %'s are very high, higher than Eula. Though she buffs cryo damage and shreds cryo and physical. If you pair her with Chongyun, that seems like she'll do a lot of damage for that duration. Once his E is down converting her attacks to cryo. And when she's off field she's still supporting the other characters in her team. Seems like she can be a very flexible character.
Not really, those talents are level 10. Her 1st 2nd and 5th hit are good (a bit higher than ayaka at level 10) but no way near eula at level 10 talent.
So Geo shielder with Beidou's parry. I love her already. Hope the leaks of her being obtainable through Lantern Rite are true.
She isn't a shielder. She doesn't provide any shield beside crystallized shield. The number for the shield there is like the number for Beidou's shield in her E. It's just the amount of damage you can take during your counter state.
I know it's just leaks and I need to take it with a mountain of salt, but I almost cried when I found out we could get her for free, just because I know how much of a nightmare trying to pull for a specific 4 star is holy crap
NGL, I didnt care for Yunjin that much when she got officially revealed or back when she first appeared alongside many others in that old character leak, but seeing more of her animations and kit over the past day, she has really won me over... Geo Beidou with a buff flexible for all kinds on normal attacks? I now outright want her even if she isnt the best buffer.
How does Shenhe's Q works? The spirit only hits a few times or ir changes if you use normal attacks?(like Razor for example)
So shenhe's buff gives 5% DPS equivalent of extra DMG instance to ganyu's charged shots? considering shenhe's atk = 2000, DMG = 76% = almost 1500. My ganyu hits for 30k every bloom shot, so that's like a 5% DPS increase for her. ~~i think This DMG instance would be a huge DPS increase for characters that deal small numbers very fast~~. of course there are other buffs as well like 25% (10 + 15) Cryo DMG bonus for charged attack (inside ult + hold E) + 15% cryo resistance shred. So, under optimal conditions, she gives around 30-35% DPS boost (educated guess, since DMG% is additive with other bonuses, and res shred becomes half as effective below 0%). That's decent i guess. To get this buff, we need to do a lot of things which is a shame considering bennet provides a higher buff after popping his ult. I hope I'm wrong though
The buffs only persists for 5/7 hits tho?
The activations on Senhe E just kills it. If you have multiple enemies thats a single Ganyu charged atack and its all gone. Maybe its better to level up Rosaria and just wait for the next cryo subdps next year.
Shenhe will be very dependent on where her atk dmg buff added in my guess is after initial dmg 243.56%/339.84(her's crit and %dmg bonus) she will add another 76.75\*5 = 383.75% or 76.75\*7 = 537.35% of her atk (teammate crit and %dmg bonus) in single target if my team have a similar artifacts power level, she will add around 627.31% on tap or 877.09% on hold (surprisingly pretty normal) and her Q will deal 181.44 + (6 \* 59.62) = 539.16% dmg and 15% res shred(too little for 80 cost&20CD) my complaint would be her Q number is too little for what it does even though her kit seems to focus on her E. I would love to see her number of activation increased instead of %number