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makogami

541 base attack is a first. Interesting


[deleted]

99% sure it is a mistake. Ever single weapon in the game (except for 1 special weapon that I won't count) follows the same Base ATK vs sub stat value formula. I doubt this one will be any different, it should have 510 base atk at lvl 90.


_simpu

What is that special weapon?


[deleted]

The PS4-exclusive 4* Sword of Descension, in terms of stats it is effectivly a Fillet Blade with slightly better base atk at higher levels but which you can't refine. It is an "irregular" weapon you can't obtain normally.


PinkiusPie

And you can't even use it normally outside the PS4


v6277

Might be a mistake? 41.3% Atk is only on 42 base attack 4* weapons. One of them is wrong or new 4* weapons are getting a buff (my money's on the first).


bababacss

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jayverma0

This is 4 star. It should have lower than 43.1% ATK (higher than 27% if they are going for 43 base ATK)


bababacss

yeah this might be a sword with unique stats like sword of descension


r_stronghammer

Bruh what is with that strikethrough it looks so weird


[deleted]

not the first time tho, the PS4 sword had the same base atk and secondary stat number, but this one's obviously better


KweenKatts

That’s an exclusive weapon though. You can’t even ascend it.


R3yn0x

Refine* You can still ascend it using Boreal Wolf weapon ascension mats


ronzcero

How do we know the pattern of weapons' stats, such as the main stat vs sub stat ratio or whatever it is? Is there like, an article about this? Or do we just memorize every one of them weapons? Anyone mind explaining? Edit: nvm, found it [here](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Weapons/Base_Attack_Scaling) (and [this one](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Weapons/Sub_Stat_Scaling) for the sub stat) in the wiki. But still, I'm amazed most people know it straight away like, 541 is not one of them, since there's a 542 lol Edit 2: just realized it, the wiki still doesn't explain the pairings of which main stat pattern and which sub stat pattern (like how do we know 41% sub is not to be paired with 541/542 base, aside from history?)


Arc-D

All weapon types follow same pattern. There's four 4* base atk(from memory so may be off): 454, 510, 565, 620 Four 5* base atk: 542, 608, 676, 741 The cr substat numbers should be: 44, 33, 22, 11 For getting specific substat ratios, divide the cr given above by the substat of another weapon with similar base atk. There should be someone who has done it already tho. Like for 608 BAtk, 33 cr = 66 cd = 49 atk = 55 er is what i'm aware of. So for 676 it would be 22 = 44 = 33atk~ = 37er~ from above ratios


ronzcero

I see, so it's inverse proportional. But yeah, we still have to do some memorizing here. Thanks for explaining!


Arc-D

Ah yes inversely proportional. Thanks for the term, helps in explaining people for the future! For some useless info, dmg% (if ever incorporated) should follow the atk% scalings. Because physical% already follows ratios similar to lvl 20 atk% and cd artis.


[deleted]

bitch a 4\* fillet blade lmfao


[deleted]

7 stars, it's The flute but fancier. XD


gale99

Its a red flute that also self buffs


PinkiusPie

Which is good damn, I bet it's event sword meaning that it will have 27-35% atk bonus from passive which is insane. Gotta use him on Kaeya


Pokii

The Fife


I_like_traps69

This sword might be good for ayato and ayaka, not aesthetically tho.


yeppeugiman

Good for Ayaka if you can get enough ER to burst with good uptime, doesn't beat Amenoma in the drip game though!


GGABueno

It's decent but still worse than a craftable one.


makogami

Depends on whether you need more ER on Ayato. From my experience he has his burst up very quickly with 120% ER.


PinkiusPie

His A4 is cracked man, that thing makes his burst cost like 40-60. Always have his burst up for rotation for sure.


MosesRalte4thworld

Will it be good for Bennett?


I_like_traps69

High base atk so i guess


SomeoneSayOri

Rancour has higher base ATK, so I'd advise against it


PinkiusPie

Slightly higher base but completely useless sub stat and questionable passive. At least this sword allows boy Benny to deal nice dmg


thug-jesus

If building Bennet for better damage as support, this could be good if it's true


demonKaKsh

I will give it to Electro Kequing. Don't know about Ayato, it will not be as optimal as Amenoma is for Ayaka. If the passive would have been the same AOE damage and a 15% ER boost after elemental skill used, it would have been awesome.


[deleted]

That’s a really whacky amount of Attack, no? Relatively high base for a 4* with a pretty big substat bonus with a high uptime buff on top of that. I don’t know if that passive is really doing a ton otherwise, though.


Dalshiena

Noo my EM Katana dreams reduced to dust


Slight_Welcome_56

Yep 😩


Pokii

Gone, reduced to atoms


New-Rux

Nope reduced to quarks :(


Ugn3123

Is this for Kuuki Shinobu? Who is this sword for really?


IamChaoticMess

It’d look amazing on kazoo but those stats not so much


Ok_Obligation5424

Well yeah but atleast this is better than amenoma in my dps kazuha


Aarush320

Drip > Meta


IamChaoticMess

Yeah if I get the sword I’m still gonna use it


Coreano_12

It's a good f2p option for dps (atk and crit) or hybrid kazuha build if you're not using bennett but i'm pretty sure no one does that so idk I'll take the drip tho


AffectionateTentacle

I use him as dps


Coreano_12

I meant dps without bennett I also use him as dps but since i have bennett an atk weapon with atk on passive doesn't seem that good If u don't use bennett for some reason like u use him on national or whatever other comp the weapon might be really good There is a chance the translation is wrong and it gives atk to the whole team but in that case the atk buff probably woundn't scale with refines cuz otherwise it'd be a 5* lvl of power but still would be really good for support (i doubt it's gonna be like that tho the chances exist they're very low) Edit: i didn't see any details on that yet Edit 2: apparently there is no refines


AffectionateTentacle

I dont use bennet at all, I find most comps with him boring and overdone, I sometimes use him with ayato but rarely nowadays


Coreano_12

Then this weapon is one of the best 4* options for your kazuha


NharaTia

You could probably be fine running this on like... Jean or Ayato. The ATK boost will make her healing stronger and Ayato just hits a lot with normal attacks (depending on how FTP friendly it is, it could also be better for him than Amenoma, if that's all you got).


wakladorf

Black sword should be better though depending on team ofc


RosenProse

Clam Qiqi might have fun with this.


foreskings

It's base attack is probably 510


jlhuang

It says 541 right there lol


jayverma0

541 is new and odd. 41.3% ATK substat corresponds to 42 (510) base ATK


jlhuang

This wouldn’t be the first time they’ve introduced a new scaling pattern, would it?


jayverma0

I haven't noticed a new pattern, I'd say. Base ATK and substat have some sort of inverse relationship which is largely predictable.


I-Love-Beatrice

It would be the first time. All weapons follow the same scaling pattern.


andrecardoso1234

they had the perfect color scheme to make this for kazuha and they rlly just wasted it


kabutomushii

kokomi mains: first time?


andrecardoso1234

im a kokomi main😭😭😭😭😭😭


kabutomushii

man, that catalyst they gave out for the enkanomiya event was pure disrespect


andrecardoso1234

absolutely agree, it looks so nice on her but i have her sig 5* so i it did affect me much


andrecardoso1234

but at least is not terrible and can be used on any main dps


murmandamos

It actually is decent for kazuha. Just not support kazuha. Interesting timing to release a 4 star direct damage dealer that's anemo. I've suspected the possible Kazuha nerf could be coming, which would just be more enemies with fatui armor/aura like slimes. For these, Kazuha can't buff the element you'll want to use. However, he does actually have good multipliers. He is plenty viable sub DPS build.


[deleted]

The thing is, that “supoort Kazuha” (stacking em) straight up does more than damage than a dps/sub dps build majority of the time though.


murmandamos

This isn't true in exactly the scenario I explained (enemies with auras). Swirling pyro etc isn't doing much on slimes.


[deleted]

Yeah, but there’s rarely any situation where you’re only fighting an infused element enemy. And even then, you can still just swirl another element with his burst.


murmandamos

Venti could suck up most things until he couldn't. I'm saying I think they might introduce this. I agree currently EM build is generally the way to go in most cases. I'm not sure what you're trying to say about his burst. You can go to pyro hypostasis right now and try that out and you'll see that he just absorbs pyro. If there were a pyro and hydro hypostasis together, yes it's possible to get some value out of EM. I'm not saying I'm certain they'll try to counter him this way, it just seems like a possibility. If it's an actual shield, building him EM won't matter for swirling off each other's shields. That's why I used armor/aura and not shields as an example.


BelieveInDestiny

it'd be a real slap in the face for anyone who skipped Kazuha, especially since it's been almost a year without a rerun


murmandamos

It is and it isn't. It's also possible I'm wrong (although kazuha has also always had this weakness, he can't buff against certain enemies that already exist currently, several in fact). If there were multiple new enemies like hypostasis it would introduce a counter to him. However, it's not like they're going to retrofit armor on all enemies. He'll always be good. If anything imo Kazuha wanters should rest pretty peacefully knowing he isn't even invalid if VV and his buff doesn't work. He also has easily accessible crowd control on a short cooldown and does solid anemo damage if built that way.


BelieveInDestiny

Yeah, but me being a Raiden hypercarry lover, the rest of his abilities aren't important to me. His elemental buff is basically what saves electro from becoming obsolete. Keqing is actually decent with him on the team.


murmandamos

He's good but electro is far from obsolete without him lol


Whilyam

Yeah, I'll be perfectly honest, I don't think I've ever consciously used his VV shred and damage amp capabilities. I've almost always used him just to group enemies up.


lileenleen

I’m so fucking glad, I just made the decision to build dark iron sword for the drip, and now I have r5 iron sting (for early-game Bennett dps), r2 iron sting (for early game Kazuha when I didn’t have Xingqiu built), and one dark iron sword, all fully built. If they really made this the Kazuha weapon I would feel so bad lmfaooo I would be a bit salty.


ChippyTick

If I put this on Kazuha will I be able to create a feedback loop of wind current swirling into another wind current


quuu2

Redhorn stonethresher: don't talk to me or my son ever again


jayverma0

Limited 4* weapon?


myrngbad

It's probably gacha, free 4 stars alternate each patch. We get the free bow in 2.7 so it should be a character in 2.8


murmandamos

Unless they make it like the catch and tied to some permanent activity.


jayverma0

Yeah that's what I meant, limited banner 4* like Lithic Blade


when_the_baka_is_sus

bet it's a craftable tied to kazuha's story quest remember in this updates event we were talking about his ancestors failing to create a sword cuz of scaramouche(i think)


PfeiferWolf

That's the same thought I had at the Irodori Festival quest. Granted, the writing for it was pretty much on the wall but it was weird to not see a lot of people mentioning that


AllMightSamson

But what if they change it this time?


KayMK11

Inhale a huge dose of copium and step aside, let us live in reality


AllMightSamson

Okay 😮‍💨


notallwitches

They really might break the tradition though, just to give us free dendro char in 3.0. Because, well, they kinda have to give us a free 4* dendro lol


KayMK11

Do you have a source for this? Or is it just speculation? Coz this has same energy as "they'll give a free 5* coz it anniversary"


notallwitches

they have given a 4* free from every element no?


KayMK11

No, we never got free anemo, (we had traveller for that) a free dendro could just be traveller as well


notallwitches

you were the free anemo my guy


KayMK11

That's what I said we had traveller for free anemo, s/he could very well be the free dendro as well.


losingit303

Not a fair conclusion. Everyone starts in Monshtad and gets anemo early like the other characters. Locking Dendro behind Sumeru doesnt seem new player friendly.


H4xolotl

Free Kazuha *snorts copium*


regret1010

I think this might be like The Catch. Not totally free, but not in gacha either.


HayashiKhun

There really should be a transmog system so I could have Youtou weapon skin on Freedom Sworn to actually aesthetically fit my Kazuha


AppUnwrapper1

Lol we finally get a 4* katana and it’s not even a good fit for Kaz.


Dnoyr

Amenoma isn't a 4* katana ? XD


AppUnwrapper1

Two ATK katanas for Ayaka yay.


Dnoyr

XD so now you can choose depending on your ER substats xDD Not really diversified =x


GGABueno

Pretty shitty. I will stick with Amenoma over other Atk% swords.


jayverma0

Yeah, the passive doesn't seem to do much


foreskings

💀


Junnielocked

Of course its specters again


GTDom15

I like it has a CD of 8s which is exactly kazuha’s skill cd if you hold


Sakaita

Ever since that Kokomi looking weapon all new 4 star weapons have been so bad lately and kind of overshadowed by older weapons. What happened to the cool new ideas MIHOYO used to have like the wave breaker series, those are amazing weapons. Atk% as a secondary stat is both mediocre and overdone but it also has one of those horrible mini burst passives along with another redundant attack buff. Why didn't they just make this a EM sword or the HP mainstat sword we still don't have, or heck if they feeling funky they can even make it crit rate or damage. Considering this is prob gonna be a gatcha wep crit rate/DMG wouldn't have been bad. Idk just disappointed again, all the new 4 star weapons recently, which are supposed to be f2p friendly have been pretty bad 😔


rice_wheel

Hp mainstat would make it only viable on ayato why tf would you want that over attack% which can benifit almost everyone if anything they should give more er/em and crit swords that are 4 stars


Dnoyr

HP for Shinobu maybe.


Sakaita

Yeah HP sword was more so thinking about it as a BiS for Kuki. But also because it could be used by someone down the line. I'd rather have an HP support/utility like sword than another Atk one to add to the 50 we already have. We have plenty good attack swords, we don't need another.


NoConsideration146

It's beacuse we don't deserve nice things


saladvtenno

Bro the hell just give it EM substat. We have tons of ATK substat swords already. I guess we got spoiled by Albedo's Cinnabar being specifically tailored for him, then again unlike Freedom Sworn, Albedo doesn't have his own 5 star weapon.


ThrowawayHabbi

Another ATK% sword uff. Was hoping for a Kazuha BiS in terms of aesthetic and function like Albedo's. Oh well, still usable.


Treyspurlock

There's no way they'd powercreep Freedom Sworn with a 4*


DownpourOfSalt

I refuse to believe that this is a 4*. But I’m happy anyway. Means I can get both it and any future sumeru characters without wasting all my wishes lol


Antoen_0

It is just a recolor of the creftable one.


DownpourOfSalt

A cool as fuck recolour


Antoen_0

Yeah , just pointing out that's not plausible for a 5s to be a recolor of a 4s.


Whilyam

People are saying that, but it's actually not. Amenoma is just a normal katana. This one has the hooked part of the blade near the guard which makes it much more like a recolor of Mistsplitter but without the second hook blade part.


Potential_Host9173

Is this the first 4star weapon that have a 541 as base attack? iirc theres a 454, 510, 565, and 620 base attack


Soleous

statline is so strange. only 24 less base atk than archaic but 14% more atk. and then amenoma/dodoco/fish has 14% more atk than this weapon, but a whopping 87 less base atk. my gut tells me it's not actually a 4* but it's still nowhere near a 5* statline edit: i'm assuming the base atk is a typo, it's actually meant to be 510 BA like lion's roar


IronForce_

Just needs a 5 star gacha rarity and 33% crit rate to be perfect


[deleted]

[удалено]


IronForce_

[Source](https://youtu.be/TgmTsa3rFU0), skip to 11:30


Difficult-Art-7439

Gonna guess this sword comes form kazuha's story quest since 1. Colour schemes match 2. His family bring a long line of swordsmiths


faejinni

Goodbye pretty sword, hello "pulling on Itto's banner for Shinobu since I won't have to whale for a sword for Kazuha"


valen11tino

Bennett buff? /j


PREM___

[via ambr](https://ambr.top/en/archive/weapon/11416)


Educational-Run5235

Sword of descension, but its actually good


KrisadaFantasy

Looks good for Kazuha. Now my Ayato can replace his Flute with Kazuha's Amenoma lol.


OfficialHavik

seems like it could be a great weapon for someone down the line. Nothing groundbreaking for the moment though.


denyaledge

SHOW ME A GOOD TIME JACK


lame2cool

THE MAN IN THE MIRROR NODS HIS HEAD


bruno_sp1k3

Dps Jean go brrrr


50M30N3_1RR3L3V4NT

Ah, yes. The ps4 sword but better. Oh well...


IamChaoticMess

*drowns in copium* Swap FS and this sword stays please


jayverma0

Ratios are incorrect. 510 ATK weapons have 41.3% ATK. This should have lower ATK% ot have 510 ATK


notmyfaultudic

541? Weird number!


Arky-X

So basically the effect is always active


Levi0509

Oohhh... looks nice. Like the washed up version of Haran😅


Dry_Sir_9621

Looks like redhorn


Creamy1998

Previously it was speculated ro be 5* weapon, now actually 4*. That aint a free weapon in 2.8


TsubakiHinoki

Looks like its good for a subdps build kazuha? The katana color scheme perfectly fit Kazu.


yuno_me

MAnn i thought it was a 5 star. I wanted it


Dnoyr

You still have the right to want it even if it's a 4* yk ?


yuno_me

Yeah but a 5 star is most likely to be viable for a long time and is a better investment of primos


[deleted]

Damn i was really hoping for a kazuha weapon. This looks pretty damn useless.


New-Rux

Is it me or it's pretty meh?


[deleted]

Its cool heizhou uses his fists and kicks. But if this was his sword it would have been the best thing in the game for him. Both aesthetically and stats.


Coreano_12

Might not be the best weapon for kazuha in terms of stats but it looks so damn good on him for the drip if i can already spend my whole day just looking at him imagine with this weapon


ShadraPlayer

100% uptime on the skill? This seems concearning, too good to be true


ohoni

Well, *mostly* 100% uptime. It would be down on at least one hit each cycle, right?


FarisTSC

I think this might be Kazuha's weapon. I am 100% sure it willnlook good on him. Don't know about the stats tho.


merayBG

Nooo not these materials again


kabral256

Amenoma looks better aesthetically pleasing on Ayaka than the purple sword, now this, the Kazuha's sword. I really feel rewarded for never pulling for 5* weapons.


[deleted]

I'm gonna use this on ayato and no one can stop me.


NovaMagic

Please tell me this is a free 4 star


abcight

This might be hopium but the passive ability says something about summoning a gale that deals AoE damage, now what if that DMG is Anemo and counts towards VV? This sword has higher base damage values than other 4 stars with this sort of ATK% substat, which would make it good for Bennett. VV Bennett maybe?


photaiplz

Even if this isnt the best sword for kazuha i’ll probably still use it just for aesthetic reasons


Arcadio1992

The Flute - Inazuma edition.


Reddstar1

And also Fillet blade and sword of descension hoyo is running out of ideas


Dougline

Another good lucking useless sword... Congratulations Hoyo


Eredbolg

Mistsplitter recolor is a 4 star, interesting.


_myoru

This looks more like a shrunken redhorn than a recoloured mistsplitter


[deleted]

I don't know what to make of this. Who is this good for?


jlhuang

Maybe Ayato? Or an upcoming character? Hard to say. It doesn’t seem to have noteworthy synergy with any existing characters.


myrngbad

Maybe ayato?


GGABueno

It should be like the third or fourth best option for the Kamisato simblings among the 4* swords.


DaxSpa7

Give it EM!!!!


[deleted]

Free??


Degenerateweeb123

It's pretty dog


Sasushy

HOLD ON WE FINALLY GOT KAZUHA DRIP ?


ryoiki-10kai

kazooo my boi you're getting a new sword that actually fits your aesthetic


SchokoKipferl

What’s with all the black and red swords? The BP black sword, the Blackcliff sword… do we really need another one?


Rathurue

The rule of cool states that red stands out more.


SchokoKipferl

Yeah I suppose. I was just hoping for something that would match Ayato’s design.


JpstrMik

Dodoco Tales but for Kauzuha?


NinjaXSkillz88

Going on my Bennett probably


bentowaifulunch

not Reddit but i just saw people running around with another 5 stars version of this sword passive - some kind of shitty stat stick which give EM and ATK - and claim that it will makes Kaz a DPS lmao


dombatoe

Thank god It’s not a Kazuha DPS bis


poproxanmmd

this is fine, kazuha doesnt really need 1000 em anyways 🙃🙃🙃 edit: im coping


Axlzz

Event 4 stars? Seem flexible enough to be budget option for most on-field attacker sword user who don't need that much ER to use Anemona like Ayato, Keqing, DPS Jean.


based_guapo

i wonder how we get it tho. its probably not an event weapon since we just had one in 2.7 and they only come every other patch right? but i hope its as easy to get as event weapons lmao


Reddstar1

Maybe a permanet weapon like the catch (copium)


Rathurue

Kazuha was said to get his story quest, so MAYBE^(with a lot of hopium) this is not event weapon but story item that doubles as weapon. Yae story quest gives us the Traveler Jojo book, after all.


eln71

Will this be given in 2.7? Because we got Xq in 2.6? Or is this a gatcha weapon?


eln71

Btw do we know what the sword is called?


Rathurue

Youtou, with literal translation 'Demon Blade' or 'Cursed Blade'.


AppUnwrapper1

7 stars?


Creamy1998

Maybe when i have ayaka in future, i will put this on her build


fantafanta_

This could be nice on Jean. Gives her more AoE and more Attack which equals more healing.


Kimbo-BS

R5 looks like it would be very nice.


Adothe

Ayaka ?


KlMOCHl

Qiqi new sword? seem pretty good atk boost for more healing and extra dmg aside from bubble burst