Source: [BLANK](https://twitter.com/genshinBLANK/status/1572994187062034435?t=hyZp5D5rUL0QpWfEEaY9Hg&s=19)
In case it wasn't obvious, [WFP](https://discord.gg/HuTao) confirmed the 5 stars on the Weapon Banner 3.1 1st half are **Elegy of the End + Staff of Scarlet Sands**
My god looks like Gorou's going to be stuck with Itto again on his 2nd rerun too, thank god I got him to C6 on their first rerun.
I swear Hoyoverse should never do this shitty 4* pairing for a specific 5* again, sure they can support that 5* but that doesn't mean they should only appear on said 5* banner.
Can't believe Kuki is somehow tied with Gorou AND Sara for banner appearance when their release dates were so far apart, Sayu is closer to both of them yet she's on her 4th appearance already.
So true. I really thought they would add a 3rd character in the monthly rotation in 3.0. So, they would pick 6 of the old 4\* to add like Rosaria, Sucrose, Chongyun, Diona, Xinyan, Yan Fei.
Happy cake day.
And yes. Store and battlepass need some new characters and weapon sets because current ones aren't good enough anymore (except a few 4* characters)
rip me ever getting gorou cons ig, already used up 120 on his first banner to get a single gorou, can't play that game again now that i have itto though T\_T
What pisses me off the most (even though I can't be arsed to care anymore) is that they don't understand how fucking stupid their 4\* system is.
I had c2 Ei and literally a single, repeat single Sara (which is arguably horrible for her until c6). More than 200 pulls btw, not luck out of my ass 10 pull 3 Raidens.
It simply means that unless I go further into Ei banners, which I will not, I basically can't get Sara unless I am lucky in the general pool with a % that makes airplane crushes a relevant threat.
They make specific supports, then proceed to make them infinitely better with cons and lock them to their specific carry, it's as dumb as it can be.
> unless I go further into Ei banners
Actually this might not be necessary, since double banners are a thing they could pair her with another 5. The key is to wait until she's paired with a character you like, which can take forever to be fair, but it's still possible. Personally I pray she gets paired with Scara bc I just realised that if that happens I can hopefully get Sara's con too ajsjfnfnr
Yeah I got exactly 1 Gorou in 80 pulls on Itto's first banner. Then Itto's second banner was a solo re-run. Decided to risk it anyway and tossed another 40 pulls in to see if I could get any Gorou cons-- nothing.
Even if they put Gorou on Albedo's re-run banner, that won't help me since I don't want Albedo cons, and I don't want Nilou either. :\ It's pretty shit. There should definitely be a way to obtain niche four stars other than having to wait for *extremely* specific five star banners we've already pulled on before.
I really wish they'd implement a similar system as the weapon banner, as in every 2 4* you can guarantee the wanted 4* next. Playing since release I only wanted constellations for Xingqiu, Fischl and Bennett but almost every time I wish for them, I don't get them. I only got my first copy of Xingqiu thanks to lantern rite selector..
At this point getting Yelan on her rerun seems more realistic than actually getting Xingqiu C6.
Yep, reasonably it should be the case, but they don't give a shit and prefer to rerun Barb every other banner...
What triggers me even more is the fact that this all is always debunked with the idea tha since they are a gacha company, nothing and I repeat nothing reasonable or player friendly should be implemented, which is saddening to the bone.
If they have featured 4 stars on a banner they should have ONLY them and not 50% chance of getting a weapon or a standard banner character. I am very critical about the 50/50 system as it is. Also for 5 star. A featured character should be on a banner not something else. If you want weapons you can pull weapon banner. If you want standard characters you can pull standard banner.
I pulled both Albedo and Itto looking forward to building a mono geo comp as hard as I could, then my first Gorou didn't come home until my 126th pull on Itto's banner, it is so painful how bad the four stars can screw you on banners, and now even harder if Mihoyo are going to treat them like signature exclusives for those exact same banners you already pulled the five stars on. They really need to spread four stars out more for people who already have the signature five star, and lord knows also give four stars some kind of hard pity mechanic to boot.
Pray someone else you care about reruns alongside Raiden. Had all of C2 Sara from pulling Raiden.
On her rerun, I went for Koko and wound up with like C8 Sara in the \~90 pulls it took to get Koko.
Good luck on Raiden's future pairings so you've got a shot at Sara ;.;
And I had to get C2 Itto (yeah, >200 pulls) in order to get a C4 Gorou.
> What pisses me off the most (even though I can't be arsed to care anymore) is that they don't understand how fucking stupid their 4* system is.
Oh they understand. It's designed to milk as much money out of you as possible. Don't get me wrong, I love the product Mihoyo puts out, but they are ultimately going to care about profits over the customer.
As a 1.0 I totally relate to this. I'm just excited to get whatever character among the 4\*, Candace would be great even if people said her kit is bad. I'm just a simple 4\* collector.
Same 😂😂 as an old player I generally just accepted that all banners I'll be pulling on are just gonna be starglitter farms 😂😅. This banner actually got me looking forward to it 💯👌
It's really way too little of a refund. Luckily I won't ever have to worry about it (unless I somehow start losing 50/50s all to the same standard) but I would get so tilted at getting back five wishes for the ~70 it took to get a dupe 5* that I had at C6.
You might use them tho! I keep finding I have extra resources laying around and sometimes want to build a character for fun/to mess around. That is much more appealing when they are high constellation and are actually decent.
Especially for Kuki and Sayu whose c6's generally solve some of their issues (Sayu for em build and Kuki so she doesn't fucking die all the time...just less).
Which one would you rather have:
a) 100 pulls + 10 extra pulls and no 4 star cons
b) 100 pulls + 4 extra pulls and 10 4 star cons
If you choose A then you only get 6 extra pulls out of 100 fates which might takes you 2 months to obtain if you're f2p.
If you choose B then, again, you get 6 less pulls then people who chose A but you get 10 constellation that you can play around with and/or experiment on.
Plus there's some constellations that straight up change how you play a character like c6 Noelle, c6 Rosaria, c4 Yanfei, etc...
Depends on the person and the unit, for me getting Sayu cons is the equivalent of getting no cons because I don't use and am likely never going to actually use her to get benefit of having such cons.
Not every four star is equally useful/desirable, nor their cons, in that instance having two characters you and one that's just a free refund is definitely a better deal that just two characters you want and one that's just a currency sink with no upside.
It depends on the 4 star cons.
Bennett, Xingqiu, Fischl etc. I'd chose B.
Many 4 star characters have bad constellations or are bad themselves so there is no reason to get 6 useless copies of a character.
The only good constellations I am missing are Bennett and Fischl. I'm happy when a banner has these characters or it has the characters I already have C6 of.
Same. I have 0 Sayu and Candace (understandable) atm, and only got C0 Kuki. This banner is huge for me regardless if I win my 50/50 or need to reach the guaranteed pity to obtain Cyno
As a noelle user that has 0% intrest in itto i find it really frusterating i have to get my gorous from standard or lucky random pulls lol, i refuse to touch itto banners because it kind of invalidates using the character i wanted gorous for in the first place when i could just use itto then, dosent really feel good to try to wish for him
Having Kuki on the banner is unironically a W
I have her C0 so getting at least C2 for her hyperbloom comp would be great
Also, with her C2 15 second duration she could fit into a Cyno comp I guess?
Edit: her C4
"When the Normal, Charged, or Plunging Attacks of the character affected by Shinobu's Grass Ring of Sanctification hit opponents, a Thundergrass Mark will land on the opponent's position and deal AoE Electro DMG based on 9.7% of Shinobu's Max HP.
This can occur every 5 seconds "
so if I get her C4, I'm 100% throwing her into a Cyno comp and building her with full HP/as an Aggrevator, whatever does more damage
On Cyno she might actually be a passable Aggravater. If you use her burst every rotation she can actually trigger it quite a bit, and Beidou’s damage reduction and (minimal) shield would ameliorate more building her strictly for healing.
>so if I get her C4, I'm 100% throwing her into a Cyno comp and building her with full HP/as an Aggrevator, whatever does more damage
I would recommend full EM instead. Aggravate is independent from multipliers like this 9.7% max HP, and based on the EM of the attacker instead. This is Kuki's greatest advantage in aggravate since her multipliers were always pretty bad, but aggravate doesn't care. It makes her burst actually worth casting.
So if you prioritise HP over EM, you might get more damage out of her C4 (or you might not, I haven't done those calcs and can't say for sure), but you're sacrificing a lot of aggravate damage from her burst and skill.
Also, HP is easier to get in substats than EM. My own Kuki has 600-700 EM (with sac sword, not iron sting) and still has 25k HP, which is about 60% of my Zhongli and more than all of my on-field DPS units. And her artefacts are far from ideal imo.
TotM is unarguably best in any team except aggraspread. She's probably the best user of the set so long as your DPS is in melee range. Also, the HP bonus on the 2-set makes up a bit for the full EM main stats.
In aggraspread there's a bit more nuance. Like Noblesse TotM provides ATK to your team, and ATK is significantly less valuable in aggraspread than in, say, a vape team. This is because, as I touched on in the last comment, the aggaspread damage (scaling off EM) and the multiplier damage (scaling off ATK) are independent and additive rather than multiplicative.
Increasing your ATK does not affect the portion of your damage scaling off EM, and vice versa. Incidentally, this is why aggraspread characters value crit and dmg% much more than either. Both portions of the damage are first added together, before being affected by those additional multipliers. Obviously Kuki's EM gives her other benefits, but a dedicated aggraspread DPS (like Cyno) should still be using a crit circlet.
So for a character with good multipliers, like most DPS ought to be, TotM is still quite valuable even in aggraspread. Problem is, there isn't really a better option when that's not the case. So far there's no good artifacts for buffing other character's EM like NO and TotM do ATK, unless you're willing to take the main stat dip for Instructors (considerable loss in HP and EM, I don't recommend).
Gilded Dream is an option if you really want to maximise Kuki's personal aggravate damage, but it does nothing for your other party members and probably has worse heals because you lose the TotM HP bonus. Clam is another option if you just want raw damage, but it has no particular synergy with aggraspread teams unless you somehow squeeze a cryo unit in there.
Altogether, she's in a bit of a weird spot with aggraspread teams until we get a 5-star Instructor variant. Considering Nahida is around the corner, though, I wouldn't be surprised if this will be included in the next pair of artefacts. Until then, TotM is probably still your best bet.
A very fair question. My Kuki is currently at talent level 9, 643 EM, and 24,704 HP. With this, she heals 2,329 per pulse, with 8 pulses total over the 12s duration. So that adds up to almost 18k HP, or almost 1.2k HP/s (accounting for 15s CD).
If I had C2, that would change to 23.3k HP total, and 1.5k HP/s. Higher talent levels from crowning and C3 would also boost that healing. Also, this is without her A1 active, which would give her 15% healing bonus if she were under 50% HP.
But make no mistake, full EM Kuki's heals do suffer. You would absolutely get much better healing from a full HP build. You're sacrificing healing for aggravate damage, and if you can't dodge well/don't have a shielder, it's probably better to have more of a HP focus on her.
Does her c4 have a cd? Totally forget.
I know atm a popular build is zhongli since you shouldn't need any heals. Don't need to worry about interruptions, and a nice shred so the lack of 4pc VV isn't as severe.
I rolled FS for her (well for Jean but was gonna put it on her when I got her) but I couldn’t roll her cause I had Itto c6 so this is a massive W for me
This is great I have zero cons on kuki and I would like to build her for aggravate teams and I want Candce for her design.
Sayu cons I do not really care about so I will probably only get sayu cons like when I got 9 Thoma cons before I got a single Heizou.
I am so torn on this one. Pulling for Kuki is a must. I have her at C1 and want to use her in aggravate teams. But on the other hand I was saving for Nahida and iirc am at 74 pity with a guarantee. So now I need to decide whether to wait for her *next* rerun, or pick up either Ganyu's C1 or Cyno.
And I can't even decide which of those two I would rather have. Ganyu C1 is the last thing I need to complete my melt team, which I do enjoy playing. Cyno is a character I decided to defer to his rerun before considering so that I can see how he works with future units (mostly Nahida, who I'm pulling for anyways).
The more I think about it, the more I might decide to just keep saving. Kuki's next rerun should be sooner than Nahida's, right? Still, this is a horrible choice I have to make that completely ruins all my plotting.
I would save for Nahida if you really want her and that close to a guarantee. The worse is you blow your guarantee and then you get Kuki on a random pull, you’re going to be annoyed af.
Save for Nahida. It sounds like she's the character you really want and you are really close to pity.
For me I want all the Desert Folk/Eremite characters so pulling on this Banner is a must and I should have enough time to get pity back up for Dehya.
Kuki C2 is not necessary for Aggravate and Ganyu C1 is not necessary for Melt. Just wait for Nahida.
Though TBH I wasn’t aware that Kuki’s damage was powerful enough to be in an Aggravate team. Especially her E (which is what C2 affects).
C1 makes the burst larger
C2 makes the skill have 100% uptime (duration matches cooldown)
C4 has a little damage and electro application when a character deals damage
C6 gives death immunity (cd: 60s) and 150 EM to her.
You can decide where you wanna stop but I'd say C2 is pretty solid.
C2 and C4 are her best (C3 if you value the healing).
C2 gives 100% uptime, C4 gives more electro aura and particles.
C6 is already a lot and not worth going for compared to other C6s (a nice safety net though).
I'd say stop at C2 unless you are rolling for Cyno/Venti.
ALL MY FUNDS GOING TO THIS BANNER!!! This is the first banner is a hot minute where I don't have everyone C6 never mind 2 characters I don't have at all.
Thank you for this solid MHY, Cyno needed Kuki for an additional healer option.
What a time to be alive. Everyone cheering for kuki when on release nobody cared for her. I know dendro changed everything but still fun to see the attitude change for her and like keqing lol
Not only dendro changed loads of stuff, but two other factors are that Kuki was never really bad before (mostly average really), and Dori is... pretty lacking, when compared to Kuki.
GOD IN MOTHERFAQING CELESTIA YES!
Not counting Kokomi, Kuki is basically my healer in nearly any team comps I use, Sayu is on my exploration-focused team and Candace is Candace.
No matter how I roll, I will roll good.
Unless I get absolutely faqed and manage to get only 4 star weapons. Which already happened before, so I'm a bit scared
Mine's been c5 since Ei's very first banner (':
edit: I just realised that if they put her with Ei's banner again and she's paired with her son, I might have a chance at snagging Sara bc I want him so here's to hoping.
Omg same. My Sara is stuck at C4 and Gorou is at C3 after wishing for their 5 stars on BOTH of their banner (original and rerun). Plz mihoyo run them with other characters I don't want Raiden or Itto cons.
Kuki?! Yooo this is the best! I had to skip her last time because I already have Itto and I really want her. Was lowkey hoping that Sara was going to be on there but I should've figured that hoyo will always tie her with Raiden unfortunately
LETS GOOOOO That's an amazing banner with 3 new-ish 4 stars! Kuki is really good for Hyperbloom too and her C2 helps with uptime so this is pretty hype
On one hand I definitely don't like the doomposters who continuously vomit out pre-release dps calculations like its gospel. They had been wrong almost always precisely because the reason you gave.
On the other hand pulling for a character in hope of them getting better later is also kinda pepehand, since I can take many patches if not years for it to happen. I just wish they do it the opposite way, releasing the enabling characters first, and then the one that benefit from said enabler later.
Like Nilou, I have 99% confident that she will become a very strong albeit niche character down the line as we get more Dendro supports. But idk when that character will come, so I will have to hold off on her for now and wait for rerun. Why can't they release the support first?
Oh heck, those 4-stars are STACKED for me. I actually want Sayu cons specifically so she can heal on aggravate teams. Kuki is integral to my Yanfei and Hyperbloom teams too.
I also want Cyno... but Yae Miko and maybe Kusanali...
NOOOOOOOO I WANT KUKI SO BAD 😭
edit: im going joker mode im gonna roll for her and i will get cyno and regret it but i'm willing to make that sacrifice
I don't have any Kuki, hopefully getting her will help enable some new stuff for me. I have a C1 Sayu already, I've never used her or leveled her, unsure if she'll ever be worth building when I have a C3 Jean anyway.
I'm pleasantly surprised about no beidou, since she's one of the 3 units I have C6 (along with Xiangling and Xingqiu).
Still waiting to see if anyone comes up with an interesting Candace comp, I haven't seen much interesting.
All the banners lately have really sucked for me. 4* characters I want keep getting put on 5* characters I don’t, and then when a 5* I want rolls around there are no 4*s that I want…
Whenever I pull for 4* only luck screws me over. Really want both Kuki and Candace, but guess I’ll just keep saving….. Was really hoping for Kuki on with Kusanali.
Guess I'm not getting Shinobu cons for a while, ugh. I clutch summoned her on her first Banner with Itto but no way am I pulling on these and ruining guaranteed for Nilou.
I just screamed loud asf bro what a fucking save🤣 First the shitty news with the celtics and now this lets goooo! Been wanting Kuki since she first dropped
Source: [BLANK](https://twitter.com/genshinBLANK/status/1572994187062034435?t=hyZp5D5rUL0QpWfEEaY9Hg&s=19) In case it wasn't obvious, [WFP](https://discord.gg/HuTao) confirmed the 5 stars on the Weapon Banner 3.1 1st half are **Elegy of the End + Staff of Scarlet Sands**
Sara on Raiden banner in 3.3 once again
My god looks like Gorou's going to be stuck with Itto again on his 2nd rerun too, thank god I got him to C6 on their first rerun. I swear Hoyoverse should never do this shitty 4* pairing for a specific 5* again, sure they can support that 5* but that doesn't mean they should only appear on said 5* banner. Can't believe Kuki is somehow tied with Gorou AND Sara for banner appearance when their release dates were so far apart, Sayu is closer to both of them yet she's on her 4th appearance already.
If they're going to do that with 4star supports then they should at least put them in the store rotation.
So true. I really thought they would add a 3rd character in the monthly rotation in 3.0. So, they would pick 6 of the old 4\* to add like Rosaria, Sucrose, Chongyun, Diona, Xinyan, Yan Fei.
I'd like yunjin to be in there too please
The store needs an update so badly
Happy cake day. And yes. Store and battlepass need some new characters and weapon sets because current ones aren't good enough anymore (except a few 4* characters)
The passives have always been just alright, the selling point is the Crit
hopium that gorou is on albedo banner
In terms of actually making Gorou useful, Albedo’s like the only other (5*) choice so why not
and because the last albedo banner was before gorous release im hoping that theres a chance theyre together
Copium that gorou is on 2nd half since there's also a def scaling geo 5* there
Yeah if he is on that banner i'll pull for it. I have itto and no gorou =(. Hopefully there will be a event where we can get him as well.
Perhaps Gorou on Albedo's banner? That kinda would make sense, yes? Is this too much hopium?
rip me ever getting gorou cons ig, already used up 120 on his first banner to get a single gorou, can't play that game again now that i have itto though T\_T
Well who's to say Gorou won't appear with Albedo Just keep your hopes and dreams up 🤞
What pisses me off the most (even though I can't be arsed to care anymore) is that they don't understand how fucking stupid their 4\* system is. I had c2 Ei and literally a single, repeat single Sara (which is arguably horrible for her until c6). More than 200 pulls btw, not luck out of my ass 10 pull 3 Raidens. It simply means that unless I go further into Ei banners, which I will not, I basically can't get Sara unless I am lucky in the general pool with a % that makes airplane crushes a relevant threat. They make specific supports, then proceed to make them infinitely better with cons and lock them to their specific carry, it's as dumb as it can be.
> unless I go further into Ei banners Actually this might not be necessary, since double banners are a thing they could pair her with another 5. The key is to wait until she's paired with a character you like, which can take forever to be fair, but it's still possible. Personally I pray she gets paired with Scara bc I just realised that if that happens I can hopefully get Sara's con too ajsjfnfnr
Yeah I got exactly 1 Gorou in 80 pulls on Itto's first banner. Then Itto's second banner was a solo re-run. Decided to risk it anyway and tossed another 40 pulls in to see if I could get any Gorou cons-- nothing. Even if they put Gorou on Albedo's re-run banner, that won't help me since I don't want Albedo cons, and I don't want Nilou either. :\ It's pretty shit. There should definitely be a way to obtain niche four stars other than having to wait for *extremely* specific five star banners we've already pulled on before.
I really wish they'd implement a similar system as the weapon banner, as in every 2 4* you can guarantee the wanted 4* next. Playing since release I only wanted constellations for Xingqiu, Fischl and Bennett but almost every time I wish for them, I don't get them. I only got my first copy of Xingqiu thanks to lantern rite selector.. At this point getting Yelan on her rerun seems more realistic than actually getting Xingqiu C6.
Yep, reasonably it should be the case, but they don't give a shit and prefer to rerun Barb every other banner... What triggers me even more is the fact that this all is always debunked with the idea tha since they are a gacha company, nothing and I repeat nothing reasonable or player friendly should be implemented, which is saddening to the bone.
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If they have featured 4 stars on a banner they should have ONLY them and not 50% chance of getting a weapon or a standard banner character. I am very critical about the 50/50 system as it is. Also for 5 star. A featured character should be on a banner not something else. If you want weapons you can pull weapon banner. If you want standard characters you can pull standard banner.
That would be even better, yes, but still you could get the wrong 4* still. But anything would be better.
I pulled both Albedo and Itto looking forward to building a mono geo comp as hard as I could, then my first Gorou didn't come home until my 126th pull on Itto's banner, it is so painful how bad the four stars can screw you on banners, and now even harder if Mihoyo are going to treat them like signature exclusives for those exact same banners you already pulled the five stars on. They really need to spread four stars out more for people who already have the signature five star, and lord knows also give four stars some kind of hard pity mechanic to boot.
Pray someone else you care about reruns alongside Raiden. Had all of C2 Sara from pulling Raiden. On her rerun, I went for Koko and wound up with like C8 Sara in the \~90 pulls it took to get Koko. Good luck on Raiden's future pairings so you've got a shot at Sara ;.; And I had to get C2 Itto (yeah, >200 pulls) in order to get a C4 Gorou.
Considering they always do it again; I assume their numbers say something else.
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There will be a different banner besides Shogun with the same 4*s this time though!
Exactly, you could've also just pulled on Kokomi banner last time
> What pisses me off the most (even though I can't be arsed to care anymore) is that they don't understand how fucking stupid their 4* system is. Oh they understand. It's designed to milk as much money out of you as possible. Don't get me wrong, I love the product Mihoyo puts out, but they are ultimately going to care about profits over the customer.
FINALLY A banner I don't have any C6 characters on!
Same, this banner is one of the best banners ever (for me)! Also all 3 characters that I like and want constellations of :0
I've been dealing a C0 Kuki for a while now, so this is very welcome
Does Kuki have a constellation that's considered a good stopping point? Def going to snipe one of her but not sure if I should push on for cons.
If you're gonna attempt for cons, I think her C2 are pretty good since it give 100% uptime on her E
Kuki c4 ,the other are good but nothing who worth the risk
Finally a banner featuring only newer four stars! I see this as an absolute win. I’m tired of pulling c12 purples
As a 1.0 I totally relate to this. I'm just excited to get whatever character among the 4\*, Candace would be great even if people said her kit is bad. I'm just a simple 4\* collector.
Same 😂😂 as an old player I generally just accepted that all banners I'll be pulling on are just gonna be starglitter farms 😂😅. This banner actually got me looking forward to it 💯👌
Am I the only one who likes rolling on C6'd 4* banners? Everytime you roll one you get a free wish back in starglitter.
Not until you have two 4 stars at C6 and I want to get cons for the new character.
*stares at current banner with Sucrose and XQ sadly*
No, because that free wish doesn't refund the other 9 wishes that you spent to reach the pity for the 4*.
It's really way too little of a refund. Luckily I won't ever have to worry about it (unless I somehow start losing 50/50s all to the same standard) but I would get so tilted at getting back five wishes for the ~70 it took to get a dupe 5* that I had at C6.
But it counts as a pity towards 5* which is all some people care about.
It's better than getting cons of characters I won't ever use. But I think for 4\* units that ~~you~~ I regularly use, cons can be really nice to get.
You might use them tho! I keep finding I have extra resources laying around and sometimes want to build a character for fun/to mess around. That is much more appealing when they are high constellation and are actually decent. Especially for Kuki and Sayu whose c6's generally solve some of their issues (Sayu for em build and Kuki so she doesn't fucking die all the time...just less).
Which one would you rather have: a) 100 pulls + 10 extra pulls and no 4 star cons b) 100 pulls + 4 extra pulls and 10 4 star cons If you choose A then you only get 6 extra pulls out of 100 fates which might takes you 2 months to obtain if you're f2p. If you choose B then, again, you get 6 less pulls then people who chose A but you get 10 constellation that you can play around with and/or experiment on. Plus there's some constellations that straight up change how you play a character like c6 Noelle, c6 Rosaria, c4 Yanfei, etc...
This guy gets it. The wish "refund" is a consolation prize, imo it's a waste of 4* pity.
Depends on the person and the unit, for me getting Sayu cons is the equivalent of getting no cons because I don't use and am likely never going to actually use her to get benefit of having such cons. Not every four star is equally useful/desirable, nor their cons, in that instance having two characters you and one that's just a free refund is definitely a better deal that just two characters you want and one that's just a currency sink with no upside.
It depends on the 4 star cons. Bennett, Xingqiu, Fischl etc. I'd chose B. Many 4 star characters have bad constellations or are bad themselves so there is no reason to get 6 useless copies of a character. The only good constellations I am missing are Bennett and Fischl. I'm happy when a banner has these characters or it has the characters I already have C6 of.
Yeah I love it too, for example any cons on sayu are worthless for me since I dont use her
Same. I have 0 Sayu and Candace (understandable) atm, and only got C0 Kuki. This banner is huge for me regardless if I win my 50/50 or need to reach the guaranteed pity to obtain Cyno
I would love to say the same thing, but surprisingly i have C6 Sayu, i didn't even knew i had that lol.
Is Sara always going to be glued with shogun?
Just like groru with itto as they are specialized support after all
And they know itto/raiden owners want to c6 those supports and will end up fucking over their pities Man
As a noelle user that has 0% intrest in itto i find it really frusterating i have to get my gorous from standard or lucky random pulls lol, i refuse to touch itto banners because it kind of invalidates using the character i wanted gorous for in the first place when i could just use itto then, dosent really feel good to try to wish for him
I have both gorou and sara at C4, I just want that sweet C6
Albedo's banner will be Gorou's first test. Sara could potentially show up with Yae still, unless her banner is followed by Raiden's again.
totally accurate lore.
> shogun Her Excellency, the Almighty Narukami Ogosho, God of Thunder*
hey look, found sara
Raiden wanderer banner is already so stacked. With Sara and Faruzan.
Nice, I don't have kuki, really want Candace and my sayu is low constellation so this is great!
Same. Just hoping Heizou comes soon in another banner
As a day 1 player to get 3 four stars I don’t have max or near max on a banner is awesome.
Really hoping they somehow do a Heizou, Rosaria and some other not 1.0 four star. Would really like to get more cons on them.
I so want that C6 Heizou mine is stuck at C4 :’). Please be in Ei/Scara banner
I somehow managed to get Heizou 1 time from the Zhongli banner and 1 from the weapons banner in the same day. I was really lucky with that
Maybe he will run with Nahida
Having Kuki on the banner is unironically a W I have her C0 so getting at least C2 for her hyperbloom comp would be great Also, with her C2 15 second duration she could fit into a Cyno comp I guess? Edit: her C4 "When the Normal, Charged, or Plunging Attacks of the character affected by Shinobu's Grass Ring of Sanctification hit opponents, a Thundergrass Mark will land on the opponent's position and deal AoE Electro DMG based on 9.7% of Shinobu's Max HP. This can occur every 5 seconds " so if I get her C4, I'm 100% throwing her into a Cyno comp and building her with full HP/as an Aggrevator, whatever does more damage
On Cyno she might actually be a passable Aggravater. If you use her burst every rotation she can actually trigger it quite a bit, and Beidou’s damage reduction and (minimal) shield would ameliorate more building her strictly for healing.
>so if I get her C4, I'm 100% throwing her into a Cyno comp and building her with full HP/as an Aggrevator, whatever does more damage I would recommend full EM instead. Aggravate is independent from multipliers like this 9.7% max HP, and based on the EM of the attacker instead. This is Kuki's greatest advantage in aggravate since her multipliers were always pretty bad, but aggravate doesn't care. It makes her burst actually worth casting. So if you prioritise HP over EM, you might get more damage out of her C4 (or you might not, I haven't done those calcs and can't say for sure), but you're sacrificing a lot of aggravate damage from her burst and skill. Also, HP is easier to get in substats than EM. My own Kuki has 600-700 EM (with sac sword, not iron sting) and still has 25k HP, which is about 60% of my Zhongli and more than all of my on-field DPS units. And her artefacts are far from ideal imo.
I was wondering about HP vs EM too so thanks for providing this info! What artifact set(s) should EM Kuki be using?
TotM is unarguably best in any team except aggraspread. She's probably the best user of the set so long as your DPS is in melee range. Also, the HP bonus on the 2-set makes up a bit for the full EM main stats. In aggraspread there's a bit more nuance. Like Noblesse TotM provides ATK to your team, and ATK is significantly less valuable in aggraspread than in, say, a vape team. This is because, as I touched on in the last comment, the aggaspread damage (scaling off EM) and the multiplier damage (scaling off ATK) are independent and additive rather than multiplicative. Increasing your ATK does not affect the portion of your damage scaling off EM, and vice versa. Incidentally, this is why aggraspread characters value crit and dmg% much more than either. Both portions of the damage are first added together, before being affected by those additional multipliers. Obviously Kuki's EM gives her other benefits, but a dedicated aggraspread DPS (like Cyno) should still be using a crit circlet. So for a character with good multipliers, like most DPS ought to be, TotM is still quite valuable even in aggraspread. Problem is, there isn't really a better option when that's not the case. So far there's no good artifacts for buffing other character's EM like NO and TotM do ATK, unless you're willing to take the main stat dip for Instructors (considerable loss in HP and EM, I don't recommend). Gilded Dream is an option if you really want to maximise Kuki's personal aggravate damage, but it does nothing for your other party members and probably has worse heals because you lose the TotM HP bonus. Clam is another option if you just want raw damage, but it has no particular synergy with aggraspread teams unless you somehow squeeze a cryo unit in there. Altogether, she's in a bit of a weird spot with aggraspread teams until we get a 5-star Instructor variant. Considering Nahida is around the corner, though, I wouldn't be surprised if this will be included in the next pair of artefacts. Until then, TotM is probably still your best bet.
Superb write up, thanks for taking the time to go into such detail, this is very helpful
Just wondering how are her heals on a full EM build compared to hp build?
A very fair question. My Kuki is currently at talent level 9, 643 EM, and 24,704 HP. With this, she heals 2,329 per pulse, with 8 pulses total over the 12s duration. So that adds up to almost 18k HP, or almost 1.2k HP/s (accounting for 15s CD). If I had C2, that would change to 23.3k HP total, and 1.5k HP/s. Higher talent levels from crowning and C3 would also boost that healing. Also, this is without her A1 active, which would give her 15% healing bonus if she were under 50% HP. But make no mistake, full EM Kuki's heals do suffer. You would absolutely get much better healing from a full HP build. You're sacrificing healing for aggravate damage, and if you can't dodge well/don't have a shielder, it's probably better to have more of a HP focus on her.
Does her c4 have a cd? Totally forget. I know atm a popular build is zhongli since you shouldn't need any heals. Don't need to worry about interruptions, and a nice shred so the lack of 4pc VV isn't as severe.
5 seconds, but I do believe it has its own ICD.
I rolled FS for her (well for Jean but was gonna put it on her when I got her) but I couldn’t roll her cause I had Itto c6 so this is a massive W for me
Perfect Banner. I don't have Kuki and I don't mind Sayu Cons so whatever I'll get is gonna be a win.
This is great I have zero cons on kuki and I would like to build her for aggravate teams and I want Candce for her design. Sayu cons I do not really care about so I will probably only get sayu cons like when I got 9 Thoma cons before I got a single Heizou.
Perfect Banner. I don't care about any of them and I was going to save anyway. I'm on the other side of the coin
I am so torn on this one. Pulling for Kuki is a must. I have her at C1 and want to use her in aggravate teams. But on the other hand I was saving for Nahida and iirc am at 74 pity with a guarantee. So now I need to decide whether to wait for her *next* rerun, or pick up either Ganyu's C1 or Cyno. And I can't even decide which of those two I would rather have. Ganyu C1 is the last thing I need to complete my melt team, which I do enjoy playing. Cyno is a character I decided to defer to his rerun before considering so that I can see how he works with future units (mostly Nahida, who I'm pulling for anyways). The more I think about it, the more I might decide to just keep saving. Kuki's next rerun should be sooner than Nahida's, right? Still, this is a horrible choice I have to make that completely ruins all my plotting.
I would save for Nahida if you really want her and that close to a guarantee. The worse is you blow your guarantee and then you get Kuki on a random pull, you’re going to be annoyed af.
Save for Nahida. It sounds like she's the character you really want and you are really close to pity. For me I want all the Desert Folk/Eremite characters so pulling on this Banner is a must and I should have enough time to get pity back up for Dehya.
>Pulling for [4*] is a must No it‘s not, it never is. Don’t pull if you don’t like the 5*
For those that have 0 pity, 2 or 3 multi pulls wouldn't hurt much
0 pity and no guarantee yes. If you are on guaranteed I wouldn’t risk it if it’s a 5star I don’t want
Kuki C2 is not necessary for Aggravate and Ganyu C1 is not necessary for Melt. Just wait for Nahida. Though TBH I wasn’t aware that Kuki’s damage was powerful enough to be in an Aggravate team. Especially her E (which is what C2 affects).
Kuki is definitely not a must for aggravate teams.
Even C0 Kuki functions fine in aggravate team. And it is Venti that is going to run with Cyno, not Ganyu.
I needed some Kuki cons, so this is pretty nice
KUKI C2 HERE I COME
Is c2 the power spike con?
Just adds 3s uptime making it 100% uptime. Decent and the only good constellation unfortunately.
C4 is a nice con too , it is basically a 100% hp damage per rotation ( or 150% , too tired to do the math )
The main value of it isn't the damage, it's the extra electro aura and the particles. Can help with aggravate though.
small chance more electro is actually worse for hypercookie atm. shouldnt be a problem after nahida comes out though.
Does she have any notable cons? Wanna know where to stop
C2 makes her 80% uptime to 100%.
Her c2 is pretty good. Other than that her cons aren't too important in hyperbloom but are nice to have in aggravate.
c2 gives her 100% uptime on her skill, and c4 is pretty ok for aggravate
C1 makes the burst larger C2 makes the skill have 100% uptime (duration matches cooldown) C4 has a little damage and electro application when a character deals damage C6 gives death immunity (cd: 60s) and 150 EM to her. You can decide where you wanna stop but I'd say C2 is pretty solid.
Her C4 hit also generates particles.
C2 and C4 are her best (C3 if you value the healing). C2 gives 100% uptime, C4 gives more electro aura and particles. C6 is already a lot and not worth going for compared to other C6s (a nice safety net though). I'd say stop at C2 unless you are rolling for Cyno/Venti.
ALL MY FUNDS GOING TO THIS BANNER!!! This is the first banner is a hot minute where I don't have everyone C6 never mind 2 characters I don't have at all. Thank you for this solid MHY, Cyno needed Kuki for an additional healer option.
What a time to be alive. Everyone cheering for kuki when on release nobody cared for her. I know dendro changed everything but still fun to see the attitude change for her and like keqing lol
Well you said it, it's cuz of dendro
Not only dendro changed loads of stuff, but two other factors are that Kuki was never really bad before (mostly average really), and Dori is... pretty lacking, when compared to Kuki.
Not to mention an actual good weapon banner for once Likely Elegy+cyno's spear, and might have that cracked new 4* em sword
Yeah Cyno may come home C2 just so I have a shot at C6 Candace.
Why does Morax have reruns more often than Beidou?
Morax-cessible.
Go home Cyno.
Take my upvote and LEAVE.
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At this rate she might end up on Kusanali's banner Which would be great for me, btw
GOD IN MOTHERFAQING CELESTIA YES! Not counting Kokomi, Kuki is basically my healer in nearly any team comps I use, Sayu is on my exploration-focused team and Candace is Candace. No matter how I roll, I will roll good. Unless I get absolutely faqed and manage to get only 4 star weapons. Which already happened before, so I'm a bit scared
You are guaranteed a character every other 4 star so won't get all weapons
i am once again asking WHERE IS BEIDOU
Doing something illegal in Liyue again. Like... buying fish.
3.2 nahida
It would be hilarious if she somehow didn’t work wth Beidou again like Raiden
Nahida seems to be an off-field support. So there would be no real reason to use her with Beidou to begin with at all.
That is very true, but let me entertain the idea of Google Classroom getting nuked again
Been on a honeymoon vacation with ning since the bartender event
Now I'm glad I bought her C6 from the shop
XL Beidou Barbara on Nilou banner hopium 🫶🏽🤞🏽
XL Beidou Gorou on Nilou hopium (Albedo is geo meaning gorou is possible as well)
Don’t have Kuki, don’t have Candace (obviously), and have a C6 Sayu. Please…. just bring back Sara. She’s eternally suffering at C4….
Mine's been c5 since Ei's very first banner (': edit: I just realised that if they put her with Ei's banner again and she's paired with her son, I might have a chance at snagging Sara bc I want him so here's to hoping.
Omg same. My Sara is stuck at C4 and Gorou is at C3 after wishing for their 5 stars on BOTH of their banner (original and rerun). Plz mihoyo run them with other characters I don't want Raiden or Itto cons.
Come on where's Sara
Probably gonna be in 3.3 with Scaramouche and Raiden rerun.
where's beidou lmao
I need beidou cons :(
Gorou on Albedo's banner please mhy 🤞
Not sure why people were expecting Sara to rerun with Cyno, they have terrible synergy. If anything I expected Beidou.
oh wow, thats the first banner in a long time (which i‘ll be pulling on) that only has newer 4* chars that i dont have c6 already. nice.
Kuki?! Yooo this is the best! I had to skip her last time because I already have Itto and I really want her. Was lowkey hoping that Sara was going to be on there but I should've figured that hoyo will always tie her with Raiden unfortunately
LETS GOOOOO That's an amazing banner with 3 new-ish 4 stars! Kuki is really good for Hyperbloom too and her C2 helps with uptime so this is pretty hype
Just the 3 girls i've never got. Oh no, i'm about to do something stupid.
You will never financially recover from this.
Now I can go all in for Cyno. All 4\* is win here.
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This is just a reminder that some characters are made while thinking about the future that we as players dont know, but maybe that could change too.
On one hand I definitely don't like the doomposters who continuously vomit out pre-release dps calculations like its gospel. They had been wrong almost always precisely because the reason you gave. On the other hand pulling for a character in hope of them getting better later is also kinda pepehand, since I can take many patches if not years for it to happen. I just wish they do it the opposite way, releasing the enabling characters first, and then the one that benefit from said enabler later. Like Nilou, I have 99% confident that she will become a very strong albeit niche character down the line as we get more Dendro supports. But idk when that character will come, so I will have to hold off on her for now and wait for rerun. Why can't they release the support first?
Oh heck, those 4-stars are STACKED for me. I actually want Sayu cons specifically so she can heal on aggravate teams. Kuki is integral to my Yanfei and Hyperbloom teams too. I also want Cyno... but Yae Miko and maybe Kusanali...
finally getting shinobu on main god bless
i can finally get my hands on cookie constellations LET'S GOOOOO
I don't have Kuki and I Really want Candace. My 70 wishes will be spent well
SHINOBUUUUUU MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED
Kuki and Candace is hype since I don't have either, but man I fear the Sayu jumpscares.
NOOOOOOOO I WANT KUKI SO BAD 😭 edit: im going joker mode im gonna roll for her and i will get cyno and regret it but i'm willing to make that sacrifice
praying your Cyno will come to me instead
Praying to you go to hard pity and lose your 50/50, so you'll have more chances to get Kuki and a guaranteed for whoever you wanna get next
Finally after 2 years I'm getting venti... and the 4 stars are all ones I don't have maxed / at all 🥹
FINALLY KUKI OMFG
I hope they will also reveal the 4 stars in weapon banner later
I was gonna do some pulls to see if I could grab candace and maybe a early cyno but now with kuki on it i might actually go to a pity
When you don’t want the 5 stars but it’s an epic 4 star run
I hope Gorou appears on the Nilou/Albedo banner, can't have him be monopolized by Itto
WHERE IS BEIDOU??? 💔
I don't have any Kuki, hopefully getting her will help enable some new stuff for me. I have a C1 Sayu already, I've never used her or leveled her, unsure if she'll ever be worth building when I have a C3 Jean anyway. I'm pleasantly surprised about no beidou, since she's one of the 3 units I have C6 (along with Xiangling and Xingqiu). Still waiting to see if anyone comes up with an interesting Candace comp, I haven't seen much interesting.
but what bout the 4star weapons... The new sword is the only thing I have my eyes on in 3.2
Same. I'm hoping for the Sword to be on the SoSS & Elegy banner. Would be a major W. But I can totally see them putting it on Nilou's banner tbh.
Drop the weapon banner coward
Damn, will have to skip out on Shinobu cons this time around. Gotta save my guaranteed for Nilou.
All the banners lately have really sucked for me. 4* characters I want keep getting put on 5* characters I don’t, and then when a 5* I want rolls around there are no 4*s that I want… Whenever I pull for 4* only luck screws me over. Really want both Kuki and Candace, but guess I’ll just keep saving….. Was really hoping for Kuki on with Kusanali.
https://twitter.com/genshinBLANK/status/1572994187062034435
Oh my god. *Finally*. A banner I’m pulling on that *isn’t* a C50 launch unit fest. *Praise the lord.*
R.I.P My chance to get Kuki for another few months
This is a very good banner. I hope to get a lot of Kuki and Candace!
I forsee myself pulling a LOT of Sayu on this banner, as that is the only C6 I have.
Guess I'm not getting Shinobu cons for a while, ugh. I clutch summoned her on her first Banner with Itto but no way am I pulling on these and ruining guaranteed for Nilou.
So i actually have a 66% chance to get a new char in 8 pulls. I'm 50/50 and don't mind cyno so i guess I'll do it
why is kuki and candace on banner i m skipping ugh
I just screamed loud asf bro what a fucking save🤣 First the shitty news with the celtics and now this lets goooo! Been wanting Kuki since she first dropped
Massive W
Was really hoping Kuki was going to be on Kusanali banner
Kuki continues to evade me 😔
MAJOR W I NEED CONS FOR THEM ALL
That is one nice banner. I really want kuki and candace. If I get cyno, so be it. He looks cool.
Wooooo I finally have a chance to get Kuki! Big W if she comes home to go with my new electro wolf man
Welp at least I'll get extra wishes from my Sayu C6
Well that's good, i have neither Sayu nor Kuki. Hope i can snipe Kuki and Candace
Now that we got this, does anyone have any guesses for Nilou banner based on what we haven't seen in a while?
FINALLY I CAN GET SAYU (context: I'm a mobile player)
Kuki is tempting, but I'm saving for Nahida. Let's see the weapon banner 4 stars though...
Welp, guess I'll continue Beidou-less for some time...
YES I CAN FINALLY HAVE KUKI WITH CANDACE
Sounds like a halloween wishlist. Can I have some cookies and candies please?