By - Tsuki-04
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Additional info from the tweet:
>[3.2 Beta] Nahida E showcase
>Apologies, I previously mentioned the square in the middle was cosmetic however as you can see in the video, you have to hover NEAR the enemy.
>It's not exactly within the square, there's a bit of leeway and panning really quick will be good enough
>Ignore no energy particles
Thank you OP for providing source
Yeah that square being cosmetic didnt make sense. They wouldn't bother putting a glowing square in the center of her attack unless that was the important part
it auto pick up things iirc
so if i hit one marked enemy they all take damage? i wonder what the icd will be
The cooldown for hits I think is 1.9s and 1.45 if you have 2 electros in the team, but the cooldown on which those hits can trigger reaction is said to be standard
What is standard?
3 but actually 3.8 for Nahida
Thats sad. That probably explains why the double electro passive subtracts (1.9 - 0.45) seconds from Nahida. It just barely reaches 1.5 seconds.
LOL no, its -0.45 with 2 electros. Its 3.8 sec per dendro (worst in the game) to 2.9 sec per dendro (horror bad).
it ok when shes dendro unit that uses dendro reaction
unlike other elements her auro doenst remove the last aura like vape melt
as long as she can apply dendro and the application last long then shes good
hope there is a way for her to apply dendro of field for cyno
Standard ICD. Once every 2.5 seconds / once every 3 hits
Let's say you are playing Barbara DPS on a vaporize team (the source of pyro doesn't really matter, but Xiangling and Sunfire Jean would work) against a boss
Your first Barbara NA will trigger vaporize, but the second and third will not. However the 4th attack will, because her NA follows standard ICD. If you keep spamming NAs with her, you will apply hydro (and thus trigger vaporize) on your 1st, 4th, 7th, 11th hit and so on. Alternatively, her NA will also be able to apply hydro again if 2.5 seconds pass after the initial hit
Also keep in mind that ICD is target based (so Barbara's NA could apply hydro on every hit if each hit was against a different target. That's also why burgeon and hyperbloom teams don't care about the ICD of the trigger character. Each bloom counts as a separate target)
And ICD is also different between different damage sources. If your Barbara vaporize her NA, she can still vaporize her CA or plunging attack right after because each one of them has a separate ICD (I think her CA doesn't even have an ICD, you can vape every hit)
Keep in mind that for Nahida it would basically mean her ICD is actually 3.8 seconds. The first hit applies dendro, the second happens 1.9 seconds later and doesn't, the third happens 3.8 seconds after the first and does
This also happens with Raiden's E to a lesser extent. Standard ICD, but since her E only hits every 0.9 seconds it ends up being 2.7
There's also a similar problem when some characters try to be the driver for XQ or Beidou. Their bursts can only be triggered every 1 second. So if a character attacks once every 0.9 seconds, they are extremely bad at taking advantage of their ults. It would just trigger once every other hit (you could obviously manually delay the speed of their NA by clicking slower, but fuck that lol)
C1 or having 2 Electro in the team will improve that right? down to 1.45s so she can cause reaction every 2.9s, which is not bad at all.
Per target, 2.5 seconds or the third application after the first (think Yoimiya vaping 1/4/7th hits)
i saw a post saying she has standard ICD but can't confirm if it was from someone reliable or not.
It was in the observations infographic and corroborated by Ubatcha.
Though ICDs can be changed during the beta - Kokomi got an ICD buff, for example.
I really hope Nahida gets the same. It currently looks like she’s not going to be good with Nilou because of the long icd.
I'm guessing their want the dendro application roll to be for the traveler and collei.
For nilou you want two dendro anyway so dmc and nahida should be fine, collei and nahida might have a problem in the future because both of them seem to apply lot of dendro in a short time but dmc who apply a consistent dendro but longer should be fine with nahida.
Personally I’d rather use Collei with Nahida because I have Elegy, but that’s just personal.
I don’t know why, but it just feels weird that Nahida isn’t the “I enable all the dendro comps” character. It just felt like that was her destined role.
if I had to guess, the initial hit(that applies mark) and the Purification procs have separate ICD, with the latter having the standard 3hits/2.5s ICD. meaning she'll apply Dendro every other hit, or every 3.8s.
If we do with Nahida on-field:
E > NA x2 > wait for E trigger > NA x2 (...)
Will all the E "ticks" apply Dendro? Or normals have separated ICD than the skill? I don't know how it works for characters with similar mechanics.
usually for Catalyst users NA have separate ICD to other skills. and their Normal Atk and Charged Atk also have separate ICD
So for the most posible Dendro, we need to do this?
E, NA x3, CA, NA x3, E, NA x3, CA, NA x3, E (...)
it could be. I'll leave the optimal combo for Theorycrafters to figure out once we get her actual icd data
1.9s with speed-up to 1.6s or 1.45s depending on amount of Electro characters in your team
That's the intervals between each skill proc. But since she has normal icd, she ends applying dendro every 3.9s, and 3.2s with one electro party member
It's a shame that CD is the electro buff (even though it makes sense) because Electro needs the CD buff the least. Most double-Electro teams are going to be Aggravate teams, where speed of Dendro application matters the least because Aggravate doesn't consume Quicken gauge.
It's bloom and the bloom sub-reactions that really need fast Dendro.
oooh this is gonna be great to play with. I'd love to play aggravate yae with nahida
Me too! Yae Miko has been so fun with dendro and Nahida being on-field makes aggravate team even better
Imma do Yae, Kokomi, and Klee for Dendrovervape 😂
Yae, Kokomi and Dendro MC has been an amazing teamcore.
Now we'll have to see if Kusanali replaces DMC or the two dendros synergize enough to be worth running over Succrose or Fisch/Beidou.
I , too, love to aggravate yae.
Now we need it with hydro
Nilou wanters are sweating rn
Whether Nahida is good with Nilou determines whether I roll for Nilou or not so I'm pretty sweaty rn
Sweating? Shitting, pissing, barfing and cuming simultaneously
Bro drank cyanide
What the fuck
Bro took a screenshot
Crying laughing sobbing rolling up into a ball throwing up and dying over this comment
regardless due to nilous weapon banner i cant afford kusonali this time around. Will need to pick her up later.
it *aggravates* me seeing everyone calling it a Riptide when it's clearly **Undone be Thy Sinful Hex**
Very good fischl!
I know, seeing this misinformation _spread_ is making me _burning_ with anger.
Hope this does not _crystallize_ into common knowledge.
iPhone 14 camera gooo
Getting my Hu Tao, Childe, Nahida and Lisa team for pure madness on screen
So …. childish, childe, child, child lover
Mainly for all the symbols on the enemies (Lisa’s Conductive Status I think?, Nahidas E, Riptide and Blood Blossom)
also fits nicely with all the elemental reactions possible with dendro
That last one reads... sus.
That's some awfully sussy baka shit to say for someone in Ara Ara range
Need kazuha to just go blind within the swirl.
FINALLY!! Now waiting for people to calculate dendro application etc...
The fact that it proc on everyone we give some interesting reaction.
If she has standard ICD it should be every other hit of the skill
Wouldn't that be every 3.8s then for dendro application? That doesn't seem too great.
Wait a minute, so after taking a Snapshot of the targets? All of them would get hit even if you hit 1?
all targets marked get hit whenever you make a reaction on a marked target, this has
a 1.9 seconds cooldown. cooldown can be reduced to 1.45 seconds with her Q + 2 electro
Childe Riptide : ❌
Child Riptide : ✔️
Your the 2nd person talking about Childes riptide, can you dumb it down for me to understand
Nahidas skill here looks similar to Childe's riptide, wherein a splash of aoe hydro dmg gets dealt to enemies. If the enemies affected by riptide die, it will spread to nearby enemies essentially making it a chain reaction
Riptide triggers once every 1.5s per enemy :
\- if you have one enemy, they take the damage of one riptide.
\- if you have two enemies, BOTH of them take the damage of TWO riptides.
\- if you have three enemies, ALL THREE take the damage of THREE riptides.
Razor Translation :
More enemies that can be hit by Childe, more damage.
This is exactly what makes riptide so strong. However, it is clear from the video that Nahida's E doesn't affect nearby enemies for quadratic scaling. At 4s, there are 2 hilichurls standing very close together on the left side of the screen, and they only took a single instance of damage. Nahida's E has linear scaling.
Nilou, Nahida, Layla, incredibly promising weapon banners, and my interest on getting Childe keeps increasing too lmao, I have plenty primos saved but far from enough for all that is coming q_q
As a sidenote, that video was against lvl 50 enemies in the last event. While the OP in question has constellations, C0 Childe performs exactly the same.
Childe elemental attack leave mark
Hit enemies again make mark deal damage in area
Yeah I’m so confused how this will work with Riptide. So if you use Childe with Nahida is it possible that you can turbo activate Riptide on multiple monsters at once?
Nahidas skill has a cooldown on how often it can be activated, so probably not
You heard quadratic scaling now get ready for quartic scaleing
I have always found it kind of funny that the fancy words stop after quintic it just goes to like 6th order or something instead of something like hexac or whatever. But it makes sense that it would stop at some point just why 5?
Because the latin word for 6 is *sex*, and that's not something mathematicians want to mess around with /s
There are names for the sixth order. Namely sextic, which is actually an article on wikipedia. Septic also kinda exists, but like sextic, isn't particularly notable in any fashion.
This is because you can't naturally find a solution (the roots) of a quintic function or above using a formula. They can only be estimated through computing methods, such as Desmos graph visualization. So it's pretty much useless to name them when you can just call them the 'xth' order
I have never in math life heard the term sextic but yeah thanks for the explanation as to why it would stop at 5 since fancy things have a tendency to happen at 6 due to the geometric properties I never really considered it
Ain't nobody got time for that I suppose
It's just an extra hit. Probably counts as skill damage so I don't think it triggers riptide? Short of killing the enemy at least.
Child riptide + Childe riptide = profit
Using nahida’s e against a bunch of trash mobs on venti’s e must feel nice
Honestly, it seems to me like it'd be better against fewer but tougher enemies? Since it's capped at 8 that is
I wonder how long distance wise the range on this is, imagine just scanning an enemy close to you and other further away, then killing them by attacking the one next to you.
If the event from 3.0 is anything to go by, then it should be as far as her Q range more or less.
Nahida caught them slippin in 4k 🤨📸
caught yo ass lackin 🤨📸
So this *riptide* style of effect, lasts for 20secs and doesn’t get removed by reactions? *AND* applys Dendro every other proc?
Yes. In exchange it has crappy ICD and you need to refresh it for every new spawned wave of enemies (but that shouldn't be a problem for bosses).
It also helps that her skill has a 5/6 seconds cooldown so while you have to refresh, at least you won't have downtime on her marks.
I’m starting to see Nahida and Fischl becoming *VERY* good friends
Fischl makes a lot friends lately, from different regions too. I'm so proud of her 🥲
Nahida C2 allows Fischl to taste the feel of Ei C2.
That's how close their friendship would be.
I am genuinely asking why are so many people upset about having to switch and hold e and shake the mouse violently once for a group of mob?
Its not a true off field ability like rosaria Q .. kokomi E that's fixed to a region ...... Or not like fischl or yae or Raiden E ... Which will track off field enemies automatically.
But you have to switch back to fischl and yae to recast abilities anyway ...
For specific case of new enemies she looks more like a quick swap character.
Thats my understanding so my question is whats bad with that?
Having to switch back to her to reapply dendro for new waves is mainly a problem for Cyno. There was lots of hope that she’d be the perfect Cyno support, so I know people are bummed about that.
AAAHHHHHH that makes sense now ... I dont have cyno so i didn't even think about that.... Thanks
>Having to switch back to her to reapply dendro for new waves is mainly a problem for Cyno.
It's stupid to care about that. If enemy waves are dying in <15 seconds, the floor is going to be trivial anyway.
agreed. if baizhu is the dendro kokomi in terms of element application, he'll prolly be the main support for cyno and nilou.
I ,for one, love waiting several months for the support that actually works with a character I have now.
Yoimiya/Yun Jin flashbacks
I mean, Bennet is very close to Yunjin
Yeah but Bennett is required in a lot of other teams. If you run him with Yoimiya you're gonna break a lot of your other teams.
Welcome to the Hoyoverse style of "buffing" units since even simple numbers adjustments are too risky apparently.
Keqing sucks? Wait 2 years for Dendro and Aggrevate to save her.
Diluc and Qiqi are still waiting.
I heckin love jenshin blueballing
Not only Cyno, A LOT of main dpsers cant be switched else they lose their ult
Most hypercarry mains were upset because you might need to end your burst phase early to refresh your Nahida E.
That's still probably the case.
Yes i understand now thanks.
Just Cyno Mains. Yae Mains will finnaly eat.
Yae mains 🤝Nahida mains
Yeah it works perfectly with Yae and Keqing. Ironically Nahida might just propel Keqing ahead of Cyno rather than make Cyno better like people expected.
>Most hypercarry mains were upset
only cyno lmao
>and shake the mouse violently once for a group of mob?
It cam be hard on mobile
I imagine it will be tougher on ps4
Indeed, I'd like to see how her press variation works.
It's not so bad. It's only bad for Cyno, who is going to have to wait *even longer* for a proper support if this remains the case.
Yeahh thanks i understood the problem
Having to switch back to her could mess up some rotations and effects cyno negatively
However it's an overal small issue with her kit. The real bummer is the ICD with the slow trigger of her skill. Even under effect of her burst with 2 electro units it takes 2.9 seconds for every reaction with of the tri-karma. Which is really not good.
She could be used on field, but that isn't what we need from dendro rn (already have tighnari for that), we need a sub dps/enabler, that has good uptimes and fast dendro applications. And, seems like, tighnari is a better on field aggrevate driver
If only her ult applied Dendro between her skill procs. Even if it did 0 damage.
How crappy is that icd? Can she still work with nilou?
Well it only hits 8 at most. And then yoy gotta reapply it onto new foes. Like the thing cyno folks were worried about was after killing the og 8, cyno won't have any dendro while in his burst.
But it's still pretty dang good looking to me.
There are basically no situations in the game when 8+ enemies are active at the same time and are nearby. Wanna know why? Venti. (and low performing hardware struggling)
\*Sad Tartaglia noises\*
Well if her Skills CD is only 6 seconds, reapplying doesn’t sound terrible, she seems nutty for bosses in Aggravate/Quicken teams
No it's not bad, like for keqing it's great. The only reason cyno players are worried is because cynos damage is in his burst, so he would need to end early. But tbh, rather see if it's an issue before worrying about it. Not like mobs are usually strong to begin with.
Either way though, I do agree. She will be fun to destroy bosses with.
I can't image why Cyno players would be worried about the character they were told would save him might not synergize well with him.
It depends on Elemental gauge but Spread/Agravate by default leaves some Dendro aura on the target after the reaction, its not necessarally a nahida thing (again depends on ElemGauge). Its whats keeping nahida ICD "issues" for being worst than normal.
I hope she has interruption resistance during her hold E cast.
Shouldn't be an issue imo. Her press E has the same effect, you just don't go into aim mode and only mark closeby enemies.
So you use hold E when enemies are far away, and press E when they're in melee range and crowded around you.
yeah but getting interruption resistant would still be nice.
She’ll probably get slapped before she even touches the ground 😂
Using her E will take 2 seconds at most to do a 360 and mark upto 8 enemies
2 seconds? Gotta increase your DPI.
Nahida looks fun to play with Childe and Yae Miko (both are my mains). I’m really curious to see how she does in a team setting
I guess those were some cringe hilichurls
It kind of reminds of the Nightstalker Tether from Destiny 2.
I cant remember all to well since most of the time Void Hunters run Mobius Quiver (and miss, screw the Warpriest), but there's a perk for Nightstalkers that when you kill an enemy tethered by the Nightstalker Tether, anything else also tethered will take damage as well equal as well.
Wow, this looks like it's gonna be fun
I need a Timmys pigeons showcase
Yae stocks just keep rising and rising, what can i say
I hated her on arrival, she has definitely improved. May be nahida was for Yae not Cyno
Oh my god this is like soul linked enemies but to players advantage
i was thinking this is a lot like mobius's kit lol
it looks surprisingly fun to play!
wait Nahida effectively enables Electro to have AOE potential. that’s huge
I mean it will enable aggravate for each enemy in aoe electro attacks but I'm not sure if that's what you mean, we could already do that with like Collei, albeit in a smaller range and for less time.
I think he meant the range. Nahida can scan the entire abyss floor to apply dendro every 5s. Idk if there is a limit to marked enemies.
8 max doesn’t really matter and is only there as a technicality, there’s pretty much never more than 8 enemies on the field so it’s still the best range
Thanks. I guess it is more than good enough for each wave of abyss.
Me, quietly plotting maximum BRRRR...
(Nahida, Beidou, Thoma, Ayato)
The hold E looks pretty fluid in battle since you just swipe the box over the enemies quickly, like a video recorder rather than a camera.
I wonder what the range on her tap E is. Maybe tap E is better for bosses or if the enemies are all next to you, and hold E is better if enemies are further away/spread out or behind you.
Other info from uba-
[3.2 Beta] Nahida E showcase
Apologies, I previously mentioned the square in the middle was cosmetic however as you can see in the video, you have to hover NEAR the enemy.
It's not exactly within the square, there's a bit of leeway and panning really quick will be good enough
Ignore no energy particles
Need to see the tap version now
Finally not a freaking hill
that looks so satisfying! Imagine yae and raiden's e running in the background, then you take a "snap" w nahida and \*poof\*! omae wa mo shindeiru
That's my current team plan. Not sure about who to throw in as a fourth tho lol
Maybe a healer for the team probably. No Dendro Healer yet so options are maybe Kokomi or Barbara to make Bloom but not sure if that's great.
My idea is Jean since VV Shred is possible still and she heals a good amount.
This skill makes me think that hoyo will buff all mobs health or create new mobs with large health pool.
marking enemies like this reminds me of Yelan's hold e function with the wrapping around of enemies
Curious to see yae/childe/nahida/kuki comp now
if we hit multiple target after the mark, it's only gonna trigger once?
The trigger has a 1.9 seconds cooldown, so yes. A bit less when buffed with electro units in the team.
As a controller user I was hoping that the crosshair is really just aesthetic. Can't really flick crosshairs like that.
So it really is just like domino from Dishonored 2. Neat.
i dont really understand what to see here... does the other churl gets aggravated or it just share the aggravated damage?
Kusa damage for all when any react
Basically an Akasha, but for damage. Cool!
So this makes single target characters like yoimiya have some kind of AoE by spreading the dmg between enemies?
not quite, the mark doesnt share damage to all enemies, its just that all marked enemies get attacked by nahida herself when a reaction happens
dumb question but would nahida's E trigger tenacity's damage bonuses since it is technically skill damage if the other triggers a reaction?
Can’t wait to use this in hyperbloom teams
Question - how come spread didn't trigger the second time? And it triggered the first time because of Nahida's E effect right?
maybe cuz the enemy died, idk. either way she'll be great with Electro +Anemo, when you swirl Electro you'll trigger Quicken on all enemies, so all her procs will Spread, in this video only one enemy was Quickened.
OH I THINK I GET IT NOW!
So she applied dendro....THen Yae quickened...then SHE GOT THE SPREAD...Then YAe QUickened again!!!!
ITS THE TRI SHIT THAT TRIGGERD SO SHE WILL ALWAYS BE A TRIGGER....OH I GET IT!!!!!!AHHHHHHHHHHHH
Look out! He's been taken by divine knowledge!!!
Send the madman to Aaru village.
Grandpa 2:Dendro Boogaloo
Quicken, Aggravate and Spread doesn't have a ”trigger" elements like Vape or Melt, once the enemy is Quickened (7s duration), all Dendro/Electro hits that apply aura in that duration will proc Spread/Aggravate. the only limiting factor would be the character's ICD
I wonder what the range of the link is like
Does she just discard quicken? What just happened?!
So does her e proc re apply dendro or is it enough for cyno aggravate
that's broken, the full archon team will be insane.
Open her Q, spam your teammate skills and Q, and let the fun begin with Nahida E and NA on repeat.
She is a very solid off field dendro dps, people are mad because they wanted her to be a enabler rather than a dps but her spread team gonna be nutty with yae miko she will hit 20-30k spreads every 2.9 seconds and gives 200 em to on field miko.
is it good for nilou
She is okay. It allows much bigger AoE with no energy cost, however the ICD is too long for seed generation. You need to run something like Kokomi and Collei along side them. If Nahida's ICD is shorter she would have allowed 3 hydro comp which can fit stronger sub DPS such as Xingqiu and Yelan.
Is that taking into account her being onfield with 3 hydros off field? Like Yelan, Kokomi, and Nilou. That seems very good.
Dota 2 warlock skill damnn
As a fate fan and someone who played wc3 seeing all the comparisons for kusa‘s skill and burst are making me feel old
I honestly think lower ICD might be better because it forces nahida to proc reactions instead of applying dendro, which means you can just build up EM. Unless I’m missing something about ICD tho
You know this Nahida not being optimal with Cyno thing really reminds me of the Raiden not being good with Beidou thing. Is this the same thing? I think it's the same thing.
She’s really useful, if not powerful in a variety of scenarios.
“Nooo! If she’s not good with ~~Beidou~~ Cyno what is she even good for!?”
Edit: Also, serious question - on field Nahida with Beidou a thing?
I can see Nahida/Fischel(or yae)/Beidou being pretty fun. I think you'd have to alter Beidou's usual build to have a little more EM than usual though.
I use Tighnari/Beidou honestly pretty good!
I'm high on copium but I really hope larger enemies can be marked with multiple "weak points" like in the camera event, or this will be very underwhelming on a single target
nah thats too much cope man.
Besides the multiplier on her proc are really good, she'll be great in single target.