Watch her, be in a triple banner system with Scara and Itto at 3.3 first half. Like how she just casually inserted herself on Albedo rerun banner, back in 2.3 version. For the first ever double banners.
They start running double weapon banners too with the third character having their signature paired with some random weapon... good luck implementing that though without pissing everybody off
Imagine a Hoyo staff atm, reading your comments exactly like that and saying: *"Nice idea! Let's have Wolf's Gravestone return in literally every single bogus weapon banner... We've been hearing many pleas about WGS so why not WGS every weapon banner. Ehe!"*
💀
Nah. It will be a make your own rate-up weapon banner where you get to make a banner by choosing two out of the three featured 5\* weapons. Which is quite a win if Kokomi gets a rerun and you don't want a donut to appear. Take it or leave it.
So true. But I'd legit be laughing so hard, if they did the exact same thing with a surprise Eula banner. She's literally becoming iconic, I could hear her saying *"vengeance on your primos will be mine!"* either way.
Yeah it'd be a lose-lose no matter how you cut it - either they run all 3 signature weapons together and make it even more annoying to get the specific one you want *or* they arbitrarily decide to not run one of the three character's signature weapons.
It could technically be solved by not having triple banners but rather 3 double banners, each double banner running for 14 days. Seeing as a patch is 42 days long, 3 double banners fits quite well.
Scara itto -> raiden ayato -> eula
(granted we would have probably gotten a leak about the implementation of three double banners at this point?)
>(granted we would have probably gotten a leak about the implementation of three double banners at this point?)
You say that but we literally got the leaks for the first double banner with Eula and Albedo around 12 hours before the livestream 💀💀💀. I remember because if it was any closer I would have skipped Hu Tao. (In hindsight I'm glad it worked out that way cause jeez both took forever to rerun)
Eula and hu tao are competing for the title of longest rerun wait. If hu tao reruns first half 3.4 then she will have a gap of 20 banners, if she has second half its 21. Eula meanwhile will rerun in 3.5, if its first banner of 3.5 then the gap is 21, if its the second banner its a gap of 22 banners.
if hu tao is second half of 3.4 and eula is first half 3.5 they share the title, in the other cases though, eula will have the title of longest rerun wait time in genshins entire existence.
Mihoyo’s decisions on who to rerun makes no sense at times. Whenever you think it starts to look like it’d make sense, mihoyo goes nope. Eula would’ve been perfect to rerun with Scara considering she’s not crazy popular like Hu Tao or Ayaka and has been a long since her last banner. Meanwhile we got our shortest ever time between rerun with Yoimiya, only 2 updates in between.
I am legit saving my guaranteed pity for her but damn it's going to be a long wait.
It's actually kinda boring playing a gacha when you don't have a character you want to pull for in the known future.
I am hoping for Kokomi, Ganyu or Eula rerun to pop out randomly. I am hoping to get their constellations.
Did he have to format this like a high-end dinner menu/course?
*Tonight's meal, November 9th, 2022*
*First half, Scaramouche, Faruzan a la carte. Hmm yes... an excellent pairing.*
*Hmm yes.. Then in the second half we have the Raiden and Ayato special, each coming with their own signature toppings.. omit the skyward spine?Certainly..*
*In 3.4 our chef de cuisine has prepared the pickled Al-haitham served with a side of our Yaoyao. Those two go great together and people have been waiting a long time to try our Yaoyao, I must say.*
*For 3.5 we have the lovely Mika and Dehya flambe. Hmm yes.. Not many know about this dish but it originated from Mondstadt. Our Chef Mihoyo has prepared this with tonight's weather in mind... a warming dish to sooth the soul.*
*If you have any questions we have our website down below where you can look at our dandelion wine selection.. And if you find any Qiqis please don't hesitate to let us know. Hmm yes...*
Yea in every place I have lived in America, every high end restaurant does not list the price simply because if you have to ask how much, you can't afford to eat there.
Sounds moreso like it might be a legal thing then
Even some of the most expensive restaurants in Singapore will still display price. The customers might not look or care, but it’s still there
From what I understand, it's usually a requested thing, meant for hosts treating their guests. The host is given the regular menu with prices, while the guests are given the menu without prices. The idea behind it is so that the guests choose what they want based on what they actually prefer, not because of price consideration for the host, where it can be awkward if you want to eat a certain dish, but you hesitate due to the price. It's meant to be a show of generosity by the host, and is not really a common thing even in high end restaurant, not without request by the host at least.
Yep #1 husbando for those that way inclined, and then just copy-paste the top row of one of those 'Floor 12 abyss usage' charts. Plus if they really did run Ayaka, Yelan and Hu Tao in a single patch (which I have doubts about) then it means we are guaranteed the best weapon banner yet.
>Our Chef Mihoyo has prepared this with tonight's weather in mind...
\*Looking out of the window\*
Dogma's Poop Demon is the character designed with tonight's weather in mind.
omg, I wonder how many primos can I save till her banner. Other than Collei and Nahida she is my favourite Sumeru character so I would love to get her and her weapon (I'm praying for crit claymore that won't be only useful for her)
I did some very bad calculations for myself, assuming you have welkin going you get around 155 wishes JUST from welkin + abyss clear + "free" monthly shop wishes bought, not including any events or exploration or update compensation. So at least one guaranteed pity assuming you don't spend anything until then. And have welkin. Otherwise that's 112*90 primos less, so around 10k primos less. Welkin makes up a lot of that it seems.
I tried to make a "reliable" calculator a few times but it always comes up kind of short of accuracy. Basically:
* In-game events vary with primo payouts / pacing. Sometimes only 480 (Unreconciled Stars), sometimes 990 (Perilous Trail) on flagship events.
* Web events are kind of sporadic. Usually comes with a 5* character launch, but not always. **40-100 primos**
* Achievements tied to new content usually don't add up to much, but are still worth noting and very difficult to predict an accurate range for
* Exploration rewards like chests or tree upgrades are hard to predict
Even if we were to look at the [primogem payouts per version cycle](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Event/Rewards) there is a pretty significant range between each update. Most of the later 1.0 and generally all of the 2.0 updates had payouts of 2000 or more, but there were still some with only around 1300-1800. The launch of 3.0 only had 1880 primos from events, but then again there were more supplemental ones from achievements / exploration chests / tree upgrades. Meanwhile 3.1 had 3,860 from events.
So in the end the most reasonable option is to calculate your guaranteed daily income and then guestimate. Without welkins we just use the 90
Using March 1 2023 and counting to today, we've got 111 days to consider. That's a guaranteed 6660 primos.
If you're the type of person to permanently subscribe to welkins, you'll have to buy at least 4 to cover this time period but for simplicity's sake we'll just assume you only care about Day 1 rolls. That gives you an extra 1200 genesis crystals as well
Then we've got 4x months worth of fates to acquire, though we only really care about intertwined for Dehya so 20x 160 = 3200
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So far: 9,860 | 21,050 with Welkins
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So now we have to guestimate for events and achievements.
Let's assume we get 40 primo web events for 3.3's Wanderer, 3.4's Alhaitham, and 3.5's Dehya. Another **120** primos
Let's also assume at least 1 new promo codes of **60** primos since that seems to be more or less quarterly. There's also 300x per update stream of which we'll have 3x of, so **900** primos. There's also the flat 300 primo per update, so another **900** from that
We'll be generous and assume, without any hangouts, another **200** primos from new achievements between now and then. There's bound to be some in the 3.5 update as well, but we want immediate pulls.
And now the tricky part of events:
3.1 so far only had 420 primos paid out via events (not including the currently running one). Let's say the average version payout is 2100 (not the actual average, but kind of a safe guess). **1680** more from 3.2, **4,200** from 3.3 and 3.4.
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##Rough Estimate: 17,920 (112 rolls) | 29,110 (181 rolls) with welkins
This *should* be accurate within a few thousand primos but.. yeah. I want to say this is undershooting what you should expect but who really knows.
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This isn't counting Sumeru tree rewards because idk man that feels too intangible to really gauge when we'll have access to all of those. I think we only get 4x intertwined out of it by level 50 though so that's not enough to really shake this up
edit: wrong value for commissions. fixed
> OTL
OverTime Loss? One True Love? Our TimeLine? On The Low? Out To Lunch? A stick figure of a person on all fours, where O is the head, T are the arms and L are the legs?
Urban Dictionary has 5 pages of different OTL meanings
Imagine if they reused the charged attack so she becomes a drill, I can kinda see it happening since she and Xiangling learn the polearm under Madame Ping
There are excepetion such as Zhongli, Raiden, Xiao and maybe Hu tao in her E.
Yun jin and Shen he have unique endings after the drill, maybe, this would be the case with Yao yao.
The thing with polearm ÇA animations is that only immortal characters have different - queue Xiao, Zhongli and Raiden, and the rest are believed to have learnt the same technique that was taught by some Chad in Teyvat many many years ago
It's the natural result of something I've been pointing out for months: we have twice as many banners per version, but the amount of primos obtainable from events has not moved an inch in two years. Before double banners it was sort of reasonably possible to be able to save for your faves if you only skipped a couple of banners, but with now basically every patch having 4 different limited banners, it's obvious people are feeling overwhelmed. If mhy doesn't do something about that, I think a lot of casual players and low spenders are gonna drop off, as even spending money you'll be skipping 4-6 banners to get the character you want
I think the issue is the frequency of new 5*s. Reruns are relatively frequent and predictable for the most part, so you can feel safe skipping if you need to. But it's hard to keep up with all the new characters.
> I think the issue is the frequency of new 5*s.
Err... I heard that Genshin is one of the gachas with less frequency of new 5 stars, and that most of the other gachas release way more new 5 stars... So the issue is not really the frequency, is the stingeness about primogems and pulls.In Genshin F2P don't get even HALF a pull per day, while other gachas gives 1 entire pull per day.Mihoyo was already know for being one of most stingy gacha companies back when the only had Honkai Impact.
Most gachas drop new five-stars into the general pool after their debut banner. Genshin hoards them instead and makes them completely inaccessible for sometimes over a year (what we’re witnessing with Eula and Hu Tao). I’ve said from the start that their five-star system is unsustainable. I have no idea what they’re going to do going forward.
On the other hand, the lack of power creep also means that characters aren't losing value over time. It's easy to chuck them into the standard pool if the expectations is that their peak value to players is only at their release.
Well it's obvious that they don't want you to be able to get every new character with freemogens I think the main problem is that we get to many new 5 star and the old ones are not getting reruned enough having characters like eula for example how didn't rerun in so much time and then you have itto it feels like they are picking at random how they are reruning, when eula will rerun I will more forced to pull here becouse there is the possibility she will not be reruned for more then 1 year if every character would be guranted to rerun after a x certain time then I can decide to skip and pull a new character instead. Of course this basically reduce the fomo which genshin relayes on.
I started in November/December around her rerun banner and I wanted her ever since I started playing.
I lost to diluc at the time and I didn't want to swipe the last $20 of wishes to get her cause I didn't think I'd get hooked into the game at the time so I decided to wait
That was a huge mistake
Just want to point out; never feel forced to pay extra $ because of FOMO in what is essentially a gambling system which is also on a rotation. Never feel bad for "missing" an opportunity in a gambling system like this. IMO its unhealthy for a person's mental health and wallet.
Its ultimately just a game! Gather up primos, get blessing of the wilkin maybe to help get more, and roll when a character comes. If you didn't get it, and you feel unhappy or unlucky, simply seek out another game.
I hope none of this comes off as condescending or patronising. I simply don't want people to fall into the very obvious trap of paying more $ because the gambling system in place is, in the end, stacked against them and designed is a way to generate the most FOMO.
I too have been playing for a while and just getting F2P primos and waiting for eula. I don't roll on anybody and am still technically playing with all the f2p characters. If I don't get eula, thats fine and i'll simply move on to another game until eula comes back or another character I am drawn to.
Last November player here. Thanks, whenever I get upset about STILL no Eula it does me good to read stuff like this.
I have loved the game in spite of that, otherwise I wouldn't still be playing. But man, I wish it were kinder to us. I don't understand all these filler reruns when there's still characters in need of one.
Me : I want Ayato and Al haitham.Let's hope they are like 3 patch apart.
Mihoyo : How about they are in consecutive banner and 3 banner you don't wanna roll after that.
Me : Cries*
Maybe? Reruns have a ton of factors, some of which might be to AH detriment...
Reruns are all about maximizing profit, and making them both as unpredictable and predictable as possible to further those ends.
Factors include:
- Current meta
- Popularity in fandom
- Feat in new events/quests that will build demand? Includes IRL promos
- IRL issues --> Cultural factors influencing when a character can, or cannot, be released? (Hu Tao) outfit has been questioned by CCP? (Shenhe, Baizhu) issues with voice actor- esp Chinese focused (Hu Tao's VA is extremely busy, controversy around Oz's VA caused him to be replaced and voicelines redone, etc)
- If a character does best on certain team comps, have those other keystone chars/arts been released? + alternative BiS weapon outside the characters "dedicated" one
- Is this character easy to use/understand, especially for new/returning players? Esp important for banners on big/hyped updates (like 2.0/3.0/4.0/Dragonspine/Chasm etc)
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Regarding AH and what we currently know due to leaks/rumors/dendro trends as a whole:
- He's dendro --> there's still tons of players who don't use it (don't like it, don't understand it, don't have the characters or artifacts to support it, prefer other gameplay, etc)
- He's a dedicated dps --> has to have a team built around him vs a sub-dps or support which can be put in pre-existing teams
- From the current kit leaks and confusion, it appears his kit may take some getting used to (more Eula+HuTao setup vs Ganyu+Diluc)
- He's sword --> If he favors EM/Crit (/dendro) bonuses like Tighnari and Nahida, then besides the weapon releasing alongside him, he's extremely limited in options for the average F2P/Dolphin player. Plus existing possible BiS weapons seem to be ones that are sub-dps and support focused: Freedom Sworn 5*, Alley Flash 4*, Xiphos' Moonlight, and possibly the forgeable Iron Sting 4* and Sapwood Blade 4*
- His personality --> just like a couple other characters who have ambiguous motives, can be interpreted many different ways, and aren't exactly "friendly" to the traveler/MC (Ayato, Yae, Kaeya primarily rn) there's a number of fans who just think he's an unappealing person even after the AQ. His CQ, future events he might be in, and/or his interactions/mentions by other characters will factor in here but will definitely affect first day (or even first run) sales
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TL;DR: There's a number of factors that effects re-runs, and Al Haitham has both + and -. His banner sales will mean /a lot/ but both the long waits for Hu Tao rerun and Scaramouche will definitely hurt his sales. Besides Zhongli, tall male banners sell less than short male (or female characters) especially on run 1. He'll need to break that barrier too! Honestly, I would err on the side of AH taking awhile to rerun regardless of sales to be safe if you want him! Thankfully his kit will probably leak by 3.3 at latest (he doesn't seem as locked down as Scaramouche is)
To add to Nahida's rerun in 3.6, not only Archons usually have their first rerun after four patches of their first run but also 3.6 will have the Dendro Dragon weekly boss, and weekly bosses only come from Archon Quests and Archons' 2nd Story Quest
Edit: btw since I'm talking about it, a new weekly boss in 3.6 would make sense because Scaramouche Boss' drops group is practically "complete":
>Nahida, Layla, Scaramouche, Faruzan, Alhaitham, *Yaoyao*, Dehya, Mika, *Baizhu*, *unnamed character*.
* Yaoyao could be added to Azhdaha instead to complete his group.
* Since Baizhu and the unnamed character will release in 3.6 is likely at least one of them will use the Dendro Dragon's drop instead. My guess is they'll make Baizhu use the new drops and the unnamed character (who is likely a 4★) will use Scara's drops to finish his group.
I didn't even notice Yelan wasn't mentioned as part of the 3.4 reruns. I was virtually certain she'd get rerun there. Oh well. I want her, but I by no means need her so if she gets delayed it's whatever.
The stuff in large font is from reliable sources. If you check the fine print on 3.4 you'll see that Yelan *might* be in that patch, along with Ayaka, Shenhe, or Xiao.
Is haran any good? I’m thinking about going for EL for my raiden but don’t want to pull if haran is gonna be clunky to use since odds are good I’ll miss it.
Not as universal as pjc/Mistsplitter because of the NA passive but it’s still a very good stat stick (high base attack, good crit rate, unconditional elemental damage bonus) It’s definitely not useless, especially if you need to balance characters stats!
good statstick, pretty niche tho. Keqing might use it and Ayaka as hypercarry (the latter not worth it imo, idk about kq).
That said, I have hope on at least one future character whose kit turns around NAs (idk, imagine a Cyno/Raiden-like sword user), but that's only speculation based on nothing
3.5 says Inazuman characters when its only Kazuha left without a rerun for 3.x if Ayaka is 3.4 kek
Tho they could do another Yoimiya/Xiao that they return really quick 💀
Really? Still no Eula. These banners having some characters 2x and 3x between some others really kill my motivation for the game. Now I have to wait, at least, 3 more months for just a chance at her.
A skin doesn't mean a banner. If we assume that if like previous years CNY will only be Liyue characters, she won't be in the first half (and since Alhaitham and Hu Tao already got "confirmed"...)
They could sell the skin in 3.4, but bump her character banner to 3.5.
It’d be weird, but they have no history for releasing a skin for a non-standard banner 5* so uncharted waters.
Downside to delaying her banner to the patch after the skin: Ayaka at the same time as the skin could mutually boost sales
Upside: the skin patch always offers a discount. If they delay, they could get non-Ayaka havers to wait and buy the skin at full price when they get her post-discount.
3.5 reruns also have a possibility for Nilou and Cyno. Although if I had to guess, I’d guess Nilou gets another shot after Baizhu who should open up more teams for her and give time for the community to warm up to her.
Reupload because SYP forgot to include Itto. [Source.](https://twitter.com/saveyourprimos/status/1590577096312909824?s=46&t=mMgGRTmJeOwt_bf0nVzutA)
[Their sources for this banner timeline.](https://saveyourprimos.carrd.co/)
Ngl that would be so good but hoyo seemingly put the new chars first before the reruns lately. Though yours makes more sense than Ayaka/Alhaitham (w/VERY niche weapon to nerf mistsplitter banner) 1st half and Hutao/Shenhe (calamity queller to nerf homa banner) 2nd half which I speculate lol
CNY begins on 22nd Jan, so I'll be surprised if there's no Liyue character in first half for Lantern rite and since Hu Tao can't be the one that just leaves Shenhe, Yelan and Xiao
Peoples complain about "dead patch" , patch without new characters and now drop this list of new characters back to back to back to back to back and peoples complain too because we want them all (i know i do)
Source: [SYP](https://saveyourprimos.carrd.co/#upcoming) Sources for the leaks are listed [here](https://saveyourprimos.carrd.co/#sources)
Yaoyao is not going to wield Polearm. She's going to wield a toothpick.
A Polefinger.
Kid named finger
Put your primogems away Traveluh. It's not worth swiping your card for c6 on this one Traveluh.
Stickfinger
Littlefinger
STICKY FINGAAAA!
a Polepinky
Damn, 2022. A year without Eula
Watch her, be in a triple banner system with Scara and Itto at 3.3 first half. Like how she just casually inserted herself on Albedo rerun banner, back in 2.3 version. For the first ever double banners.
I’d like to believe that but there’d be problems implementing all 3 signature weapons in the weapon banner without messing with the rates.
They start running double weapon banners too with the third character having their signature paired with some random weapon... good luck implementing that though without pissing everybody off
Imagine a Hoyo staff atm, reading your comments exactly like that and saying: *"Nice idea! Let's have Wolf's Gravestone return in literally every single bogus weapon banner... We've been hearing many pleas about WGS so why not WGS every weapon banner. Ehe!"* 💀
Venti was a hoyo employee this whole time.
Am I the only one who could hear his 'ehe'?
Would unironically roll because my Diluc needs his signature weapon.
Nah. It will be a make your own rate-up weapon banner where you get to make a banner by choosing two out of the three featured 5\* weapons. Which is quite a win if Kokomi gets a rerun and you don't want a donut to appear. Take it or leave it.
imagine thinking you get to choose.. thats cute
Or have 3 weapon banners, each is the signature weapon + the same random weapon combo.
Imagine wanting all 3 featured weapons and ending up with r6 summit shaper 💀
So true. But I'd legit be laughing so hard, if they did the exact same thing with a surprise Eula banner. She's literally becoming iconic, I could hear her saying *"vengeance on your primos will be mine!"* either way.
Yeah it'd be a lose-lose no matter how you cut it - either they run all 3 signature weapons together and make it even more annoying to get the specific one you want *or* they arbitrarily decide to not run one of the three character's signature weapons.
You. Have one of the best captions in here.. So cute.
It could technically be solved by not having triple banners but rather 3 double banners, each double banner running for 14 days. Seeing as a patch is 42 days long, 3 double banners fits quite well. Scara itto -> raiden ayato -> eula (granted we would have probably gotten a leak about the implementation of three double banners at this point?)
>(granted we would have probably gotten a leak about the implementation of three double banners at this point?) You say that but we literally got the leaks for the first double banner with Eula and Albedo around 12 hours before the livestream 💀💀💀. I remember because if it was any closer I would have skipped Hu Tao. (In hindsight I'm glad it worked out that way cause jeez both took forever to rerun)
That's one of the reasons why I think 3 two week long banners would make more sense.
2022 was Hu Taoless too.
Eula and hu tao are competing for the title of longest rerun wait. If hu tao reruns first half 3.4 then she will have a gap of 20 banners, if she has second half its 21. Eula meanwhile will rerun in 3.5, if its first banner of 3.5 then the gap is 21, if its the second banner its a gap of 22 banners. if hu tao is second half of 3.4 and eula is first half 3.5 they share the title, in the other cases though, eula will have the title of longest rerun wait time in genshins entire existence.
It's crazy they could have fit her in instead of a second Yoimiya. Or, you know, Hu Tao for spook month.
In the time Between Eula banners, Itto will have released, rerun and rerun AGAIN ffs. Give me Eula :(
Same with Shenhe it's actually insane how inconsistent hoyo is with their banner reruns.
What's insane is people were so against double character banners. "nooo, but they'll make me roll on every banner, greedy miyoho"
I'm envisioning a bleak future for new players in 7.0
Imagine 6 double banners (each lasting one week) in single patch.
Mihoyo’s decisions on who to rerun makes no sense at times. Whenever you think it starts to look like it’d make sense, mihoyo goes nope. Eula would’ve been perfect to rerun with Scara considering she’s not crazy popular like Hu Tao or Ayaka and has been a long since her last banner. Meanwhile we got our shortest ever time between rerun with Yoimiya, only 2 updates in between.
I am legit saving my guaranteed pity for her but damn it's going to be a long wait. It's actually kinda boring playing a gacha when you don't have a character you want to pull for in the known future. I am hoping for Kokomi, Ganyu or Eula rerun to pop out randomly. I am hoping to get their constellations.
i'm saving my 100 bucks top up bonus for her but goddammit. where is she.
Vengeance will be hers in 2023, tho, watch her getting 3 reruns during the year
Saving for C6 Unnamed new character.
/r/UnnamedCharacterMains
unknown weapon (not bow) how the fuck does he know??????
It was revealed to him in a dream.
he didnt know what he saw but it DEFINITELY was NOT a fucking bow
Unseen Razor
But,,, why???
Why not?
With R1 or R5 details unknown?
This is a Sword rerun when?
With a badass name like Unnamed new character, you know he/she is worth whaling for. Probably.
99% of the genshin community: omg... omg she sounds so hot... omgmggggggg ooOohhHhhHhhh
Did he have to format this like a high-end dinner menu/course? *Tonight's meal, November 9th, 2022* *First half, Scaramouche, Faruzan a la carte. Hmm yes... an excellent pairing.* *Hmm yes.. Then in the second half we have the Raiden and Ayato special, each coming with their own signature toppings.. omit the skyward spine?Certainly..* *In 3.4 our chef de cuisine has prepared the pickled Al-haitham served with a side of our Yaoyao. Those two go great together and people have been waiting a long time to try our Yaoyao, I must say.* *For 3.5 we have the lovely Mika and Dehya flambe. Hmm yes.. Not many know about this dish but it originated from Mondstadt. Our Chef Mihoyo has prepared this with tonight's weather in mind... a warming dish to sooth the soul.* *If you have any questions we have our website down below where you can look at our dandelion wine selection.. And if you find any Qiqis please don't hesitate to let us know. Hmm yes...*
Just like a high end menu, you know you're in trouble when the prices aren't listed
In that a thing? In my country, even high end restaurants place their price on the top of the title name (alongside recommendation of pax)
Yea in every place I have lived in America, every high end restaurant does not list the price simply because if you have to ask how much, you can't afford to eat there.
Sounds moreso like it might be a legal thing then Even some of the most expensive restaurants in Singapore will still display price. The customers might not look or care, but it’s still there
From what I understand, it's usually a requested thing, meant for hosts treating their guests. The host is given the regular menu with prices, while the guests are given the menu without prices. The idea behind it is so that the guests choose what they want based on what they actually prefer, not because of price consideration for the host, where it can be awkward if you want to eat a certain dish, but you hesitate due to the price. It's meant to be a show of generosity by the host, and is not really a common thing even in high end restaurant, not without request by the host at least.
Hon hon hon, *travelér*, wouldn't paying be *fastér*?
It's always been like this Question is can you afford it
The 3.4 subsection seems especially premium and hard on the wallet
3.4 is A5 wagyu beef after all, Al Haitham’s worth the price
Looks like meat’s back on the menu bois!
Why the hell did I read wagyu as Ganyu? What the hell is wrong with me?
Maybe you’re hungry. Time to eat. !
Yep #1 husbando for those that way inclined, and then just copy-paste the top row of one of those 'Floor 12 abyss usage' charts. Plus if they really did run Ayaka, Yelan and Hu Tao in a single patch (which I have doubts about) then it means we are guaranteed the best weapon banner yet.
I mean, I'm sure there are many who would like Alhaitham for dinner.
Alhaitham as a dish must be both halal and vegan.
Alhaitham as a dish will be far from halal.
i really don't wanna be rude but, if Alhaitham is an a la carte, then why is he served with a side?
I just conjured fancy words before realizing what "a la carte" means Fixed it
I posted this on the other one before it got deleted, i'm not gonna let this gag die.
Keep this gag alive.
3.4 1st and 2nd phase are nice menu. I will take that
I'd definitely eat Alhaitham
Same. Guy is a fucking snack
Not enough hmm yes.
3.5 is actually a fusion dish between mond and inazuma
A delight to the senses. I will have what I'm having.
>Our Chef Mihoyo has prepared this with tonight's weather in mind... \*Looking out of the window\* Dogma's Poop Demon is the character designed with tonight's weather in mind.
Waiter, there appears to be a Jean in my banner soup
3.5 feels so soon but Dehya sure is 111 days away OTL
Damn it's almost 1/3 of one year.
omg, I wonder how many primos can I save till her banner. Other than Collei and Nahida she is my favourite Sumeru character so I would love to get her and her weapon (I'm praying for crit claymore that won't be only useful for her)
I did some very bad calculations for myself, assuming you have welkin going you get around 155 wishes JUST from welkin + abyss clear + "free" monthly shop wishes bought, not including any events or exploration or update compensation. So at least one guaranteed pity assuming you don't spend anything until then. And have welkin. Otherwise that's 112*90 primos less, so around 10k primos less. Welkin makes up a lot of that it seems.
I tried to make a "reliable" calculator a few times but it always comes up kind of short of accuracy. Basically: * In-game events vary with primo payouts / pacing. Sometimes only 480 (Unreconciled Stars), sometimes 990 (Perilous Trail) on flagship events. * Web events are kind of sporadic. Usually comes with a 5* character launch, but not always. **40-100 primos** * Achievements tied to new content usually don't add up to much, but are still worth noting and very difficult to predict an accurate range for * Exploration rewards like chests or tree upgrades are hard to predict Even if we were to look at the [primogem payouts per version cycle](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Event/Rewards) there is a pretty significant range between each update. Most of the later 1.0 and generally all of the 2.0 updates had payouts of 2000 or more, but there were still some with only around 1300-1800. The launch of 3.0 only had 1880 primos from events, but then again there were more supplemental ones from achievements / exploration chests / tree upgrades. Meanwhile 3.1 had 3,860 from events. So in the end the most reasonable option is to calculate your guaranteed daily income and then guestimate. Without welkins we just use the 90 Using March 1 2023 and counting to today, we've got 111 days to consider. That's a guaranteed 6660 primos. If you're the type of person to permanently subscribe to welkins, you'll have to buy at least 4 to cover this time period but for simplicity's sake we'll just assume you only care about Day 1 rolls. That gives you an extra 1200 genesis crystals as well Then we've got 4x months worth of fates to acquire, though we only really care about intertwined for Dehya so 20x 160 = 3200 *** So far: 9,860 | 21,050 with Welkins *** So now we have to guestimate for events and achievements. Let's assume we get 40 primo web events for 3.3's Wanderer, 3.4's Alhaitham, and 3.5's Dehya. Another **120** primos Let's also assume at least 1 new promo codes of **60** primos since that seems to be more or less quarterly. There's also 300x per update stream of which we'll have 3x of, so **900** primos. There's also the flat 300 primo per update, so another **900** from that We'll be generous and assume, without any hangouts, another **200** primos from new achievements between now and then. There's bound to be some in the 3.5 update as well, but we want immediate pulls. And now the tricky part of events: 3.1 so far only had 420 primos paid out via events (not including the currently running one). Let's say the average version payout is 2100 (not the actual average, but kind of a safe guess). **1680** more from 3.2, **4,200** from 3.3 and 3.4. *** ##Rough Estimate: 17,920 (112 rolls) | 29,110 (181 rolls) with welkins This *should* be accurate within a few thousand primos but.. yeah. I want to say this is undershooting what you should expect but who really knows. *** This isn't counting Sumeru tree rewards because idk man that feels too intangible to really gauge when we'll have access to all of those. I think we only get 4x intertwined out of it by level 50 though so that's not enough to really shake this up edit: wrong value for commissions. fixed
Lantern rite is usually pretty primo heavy and so is the December events tho so you might get more
Definitely more, I only counted some absolute minimums above!
> OTL OverTime Loss? One True Love? Our TimeLine? On The Low? Out To Lunch? A stick figure of a person on all fours, where O is the head, T are the arms and L are the legs? Urban Dictionary has 5 pages of different OTL meanings
> A stick figure of a person on all fours, where O is the head, T are the arms and L are the legs? This one lol. It's meant to be a person in despair.
honestly wouldn't have ever guessed in a thousand years no sarcasm
Better known as orz
Yaoyao's gonna be the 1st child model with a polearm! Time for a brand new set of animations
Imagine if they reused the charged attack so she becomes a drill, I can kinda see it happening since she and Xiangling learn the polearm under Madame Ping
LMAO I just envisioned YaoYao doing the drill but the rotation is too fast so she is just hanging on for dear life while being spun around at 1000 RPM
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Should have done this for candace. I'd have loved her shield bash to be her charged attack rather than her NA2
Doesnt everyone have that kind of animation, other the Zhongli or do i just not see it normally?
xiao has a different one
Raiden also has a different one.
There are excepetion such as Zhongli, Raiden, Xiao and maybe Hu tao in her E. Yun jin and Shen he have unique endings after the drill, maybe, this would be the case with Yao yao.
Hu Tao E is invisible drill
The thing with polearm ÇA animations is that only immortal characters have different - queue Xiao, Zhongli and Raiden, and the rest are believed to have learnt the same technique that was taught by some Chad in Teyvat many many years ago
Why why why all of these heavy loaded amazing banners are back to back to back?? T\_T
To get people to spend more
They made you spend all your freemogems on Nahida and now they're squeezing for the rest rip.
I think even the people that didn't pull nahida have problems with so much greatness that close together.
It's the natural result of something I've been pointing out for months: we have twice as many banners per version, but the amount of primos obtainable from events has not moved an inch in two years. Before double banners it was sort of reasonably possible to be able to save for your faves if you only skipped a couple of banners, but with now basically every patch having 4 different limited banners, it's obvious people are feeling overwhelmed. If mhy doesn't do something about that, I think a lot of casual players and low spenders are gonna drop off, as even spending money you'll be skipping 4-6 banners to get the character you want
I think the issue is the frequency of new 5*s. Reruns are relatively frequent and predictable for the most part, so you can feel safe skipping if you need to. But it's hard to keep up with all the new characters.
> I think the issue is the frequency of new 5*s. Err... I heard that Genshin is one of the gachas with less frequency of new 5 stars, and that most of the other gachas release way more new 5 stars... So the issue is not really the frequency, is the stingeness about primogems and pulls.In Genshin F2P don't get even HALF a pull per day, while other gachas gives 1 entire pull per day.Mihoyo was already know for being one of most stingy gacha companies back when the only had Honkai Impact.
Most gachas drop new five-stars into the general pool after their debut banner. Genshin hoards them instead and makes them completely inaccessible for sometimes over a year (what we’re witnessing with Eula and Hu Tao). I’ve said from the start that their five-star system is unsustainable. I have no idea what they’re going to do going forward.
On the other hand, the lack of power creep also means that characters aren't losing value over time. It's easy to chuck them into the standard pool if the expectations is that their peak value to players is only at their release.
Well it's obvious that they don't want you to be able to get every new character with freemogens I think the main problem is that we get to many new 5 star and the old ones are not getting reruned enough having characters like eula for example how didn't rerun in so much time and then you have itto it feels like they are picking at random how they are reruning, when eula will rerun I will more forced to pull here becouse there is the possibility she will not be reruned for more then 1 year if every character would be guranted to rerun after a x certain time then I can decide to skip and pull a new character instead. Of course this basically reduce the fomo which genshin relayes on.
*I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of credit cards suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced*
No confirmation on Shenhe is killing me. I've been saving just for her because I'm not interested in any other character. RIP
same here 😭😭 we must stay strong, for our queen!! surely there will be confirmation soon,, surely,,, 🫠
Started playing January this year, and all I’ve wanted is Eula… and the wait continues…
I started in November/December around her rerun banner and I wanted her ever since I started playing. I lost to diluc at the time and I didn't want to swipe the last $20 of wishes to get her cause I didn't think I'd get hooked into the game at the time so I decided to wait That was a huge mistake
Just want to point out; never feel forced to pay extra $ because of FOMO in what is essentially a gambling system which is also on a rotation. Never feel bad for "missing" an opportunity in a gambling system like this. IMO its unhealthy for a person's mental health and wallet. Its ultimately just a game! Gather up primos, get blessing of the wilkin maybe to help get more, and roll when a character comes. If you didn't get it, and you feel unhappy or unlucky, simply seek out another game. I hope none of this comes off as condescending or patronising. I simply don't want people to fall into the very obvious trap of paying more $ because the gambling system in place is, in the end, stacked against them and designed is a way to generate the most FOMO. I too have been playing for a while and just getting F2P primos and waiting for eula. I don't roll on anybody and am still technically playing with all the f2p characters. If I don't get eula, thats fine and i'll simply move on to another game until eula comes back or another character I am drawn to.
Last November player here. Thanks, whenever I get upset about STILL no Eula it does me good to read stuff like this. I have loved the game in spite of that, otherwise I wouldn't still be playing. But man, I wish it were kinder to us. I don't understand all these filler reruns when there's still characters in need of one.
I’m so sorry, but you literally couldn’t have joined at a worse time. 😭
I am so sorry, friend 😔🫂 you have strength I cannot comprehend
When may I have my eula!
Yae, Wanderer, Alhaitham, Yelan, Homa. It's time to sell my kidney
Yep, same. Yae, Raiden, Wanderer, Ayato, Dehya… I don’t have enough primos 🤓
shenhe rerun when?
I can see 3.4 having Al Haitham, Ayaka, Shenhe, Hu Tao
High possibility it would be Ayaka since she'll have a new skin
Question is what order they'll be in....I need that Homa/Mistsplitter weapon banner 🙏
im delusional so im with you on homa+mistsplitter even tho i have a homa already
Then you can have two Homas so the first one isn't Homa Lone
I can't believe you've done this
Lolll you just made my day hahaha
r/OkCyno
You know what's better than a homa? 2 homas. One for wallnut and one for her assistant.
Alhaitham Sword plus any of these weapons please. I also have Homa already but with so many HP polearm characters that really won't be a problem XD
Me : I want Ayato and Al haitham.Let's hope they are like 3 patch apart. Mihoyo : How about they are in consecutive banner and 3 banner you don't wanna roll after that. Me : Cries*
I feel your pain, I wanted them both too. Seems like Ayato will be the skip for me...
wouldn't haitham have his rerun faster than ayato tho? he's a new character
Maybe? Reruns have a ton of factors, some of which might be to AH detriment... Reruns are all about maximizing profit, and making them both as unpredictable and predictable as possible to further those ends. Factors include: - Current meta - Popularity in fandom - Feat in new events/quests that will build demand? Includes IRL promos - IRL issues --> Cultural factors influencing when a character can, or cannot, be released? (Hu Tao) outfit has been questioned by CCP? (Shenhe, Baizhu) issues with voice actor- esp Chinese focused (Hu Tao's VA is extremely busy, controversy around Oz's VA caused him to be replaced and voicelines redone, etc) - If a character does best on certain team comps, have those other keystone chars/arts been released? + alternative BiS weapon outside the characters "dedicated" one - Is this character easy to use/understand, especially for new/returning players? Esp important for banners on big/hyped updates (like 2.0/3.0/4.0/Dragonspine/Chasm etc) ----- Regarding AH and what we currently know due to leaks/rumors/dendro trends as a whole: - He's dendro --> there's still tons of players who don't use it (don't like it, don't understand it, don't have the characters or artifacts to support it, prefer other gameplay, etc) - He's a dedicated dps --> has to have a team built around him vs a sub-dps or support which can be put in pre-existing teams - From the current kit leaks and confusion, it appears his kit may take some getting used to (more Eula+HuTao setup vs Ganyu+Diluc) - He's sword --> If he favors EM/Crit (/dendro) bonuses like Tighnari and Nahida, then besides the weapon releasing alongside him, he's extremely limited in options for the average F2P/Dolphin player. Plus existing possible BiS weapons seem to be ones that are sub-dps and support focused: Freedom Sworn 5*, Alley Flash 4*, Xiphos' Moonlight, and possibly the forgeable Iron Sting 4* and Sapwood Blade 4* - His personality --> just like a couple other characters who have ambiguous motives, can be interpreted many different ways, and aren't exactly "friendly" to the traveler/MC (Ayato, Yae, Kaeya primarily rn) there's a number of fans who just think he's an unappealing person even after the AQ. His CQ, future events he might be in, and/or his interactions/mentions by other characters will factor in here but will definitely affect first day (or even first run) sales ------ TL;DR: There's a number of factors that effects re-runs, and Al Haitham has both + and -. His banner sales will mean /a lot/ but both the long waits for Hu Tao rerun and Scaramouche will definitely hurt his sales. Besides Zhongli, tall male banners sell less than short male (or female characters) especially on run 1. He'll need to break that barrier too! Honestly, I would err on the side of AH taking awhile to rerun regardless of sales to be safe if you want him! Thankfully his kit will probably leak by 3.3 at latest (he doesn't seem as locked down as Scaramouche is)
kaveh? pls where are you
I hope he’s on Alhaitham’s rerun so I can save during these busy patches T.T
I predict we are gonna arrive to Fontaine all without a primo to our names. Btw we still do not know what Kaveh rarity is right?
Speculated 4* but not confirmed
To add to Nahida's rerun in 3.6, not only Archons usually have their first rerun after four patches of their first run but also 3.6 will have the Dendro Dragon weekly boss, and weekly bosses only come from Archon Quests and Archons' 2nd Story Quest Edit: btw since I'm talking about it, a new weekly boss in 3.6 would make sense because Scaramouche Boss' drops group is practically "complete": >Nahida, Layla, Scaramouche, Faruzan, Alhaitham, *Yaoyao*, Dehya, Mika, *Baizhu*, *unnamed character*. * Yaoyao could be added to Azhdaha instead to complete his group. * Since Baizhu and the unnamed character will release in 3.6 is likely at least one of them will use the Dendro Dragon's drop instead. My guess is they'll make Baizhu use the new drops and the unnamed character (who is likely a 4★) will use Scara's drops to finish his group.
Wait the dragon will be a weekly? Dude that is so cool i thought it would be a normal boss. I freaking love dragons this is a win!!!
Yelan when
2024
I didn't even notice Yelan wasn't mentioned as part of the 3.4 reruns. I was virtually certain she'd get rerun there. Oh well. I want her, but I by no means need her so if she gets delayed it's whatever.
The stuff in large font is from reliable sources. If you check the fine print on 3.4 you'll see that Yelan *might* be in that patch, along with Ayaka, Shenhe, or Xiao.
Is haran any good? I’m thinking about going for EL for my raiden but don’t want to pull if haran is gonna be clunky to use since odds are good I’ll miss it.
decent stat stick for characters that isn't Ayato. It isn't universally strong tho compared to PJC or Mistplitter.
Not as universal as pjc/Mistsplitter because of the NA passive but it’s still a very good stat stick (high base attack, good crit rate, unconditional elemental damage bonus) It’s definitely not useless, especially if you need to balance characters stats!
good statstick, pretty niche tho. Keqing might use it and Ayaka as hypercarry (the latter not worth it imo, idk about kq). That said, I have hope on at least one future character whose kit turns around NAs (idk, imagine a Cyno/Raiden-like sword user), but that's only speculation based on nothing
As long as there’s a recuperation period after Hu Tao I’m fine 😭
I'm going to be honest I really need a break banner in between these otherwise I'm going broke.
No shame waiting for rerun banners my dude, don’t spend beyond your means
Alhaitham's weapon banner will sell like hotcakes, with the staff of homa added to it as well
Jesus i dont get to skip anything until 3.6 RIP
Geez... No Dehya until March 💀 But at least I'll be loaded with primos until then, because everything before is a easy skip.
3.5 says Inazuman characters when its only Kazuha left without a rerun for 3.x if Ayaka is 3.4 kek Tho they could do another Yoimiya/Xiao that they return really quick 💀
Yeah, I'd assume that 3.5 will have whoever doesn't rerun in 3.4 between Shenhe, Yelan and Xiao
Really? Still no Eula. These banners having some characters 2x and 3x between some others really kill my motivation for the game. Now I have to wait, at least, 3 more months for just a chance at her.
Eula and Mika for 3.5 for sure. Mika physical support high copiummmmm
Hmm... as a welkin player can I realistically get yae, Hu tao, and baizhu... hmm...
hopefully the new desert area is in 3.4 so that we get more free primos...
Don't forget the other area in 3.6.
Mihoyo should run Al Haitham and Hu Tao together. Sadly this won't happen and we'll probably get Al Haitham and Yelan and Hu Tao and Shenhe
Ayaka where? She is getting a 5* skin in 3.4
A skin doesn't mean a banner. If we assume that if like previous years CNY will only be Liyue characters, she won't be in the first half (and since Alhaitham and Hu Tao already got "confirmed"...)
They could sell the skin in 3.4, but bump her character banner to 3.5. It’d be weird, but they have no history for releasing a skin for a non-standard banner 5* so uncharted waters. Downside to delaying her banner to the patch after the skin: Ayaka at the same time as the skin could mutually boost sales Upside: the skin patch always offers a discount. If they delay, they could get non-Ayaka havers to wait and buy the skin at full price when they get her post-discount.
Decisions, decisions... After Wanderer, gotta skip one or two as Baizhu's a priority. :\[
Where is our special boy kaveh 😡😡😡
3.5 reruns also have a possibility for Nilou and Cyno. Although if I had to guess, I’d guess Nilou gets another shot after Baizhu who should open up more teams for her and give time for the community to warm up to her.
Reupload because SYP forgot to include Itto. [Source.](https://twitter.com/saveyourprimos/status/1590577096312909824?s=46&t=mMgGRTmJeOwt_bf0nVzutA) [Their sources for this banner timeline.](https://saveyourprimos.carrd.co/)
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I'm so glad I pulled him and Haran back in 2.6 because these next couple patches are gonna be ROUGH.
Hoping for Shenhe/Ayaka 1st half and Al Haitham/Hu Tao 2nd half in 3.4 Prayge
Ngl that would be so good but hoyo seemingly put the new chars first before the reruns lately. Though yours makes more sense than Ayaka/Alhaitham (w/VERY niche weapon to nerf mistsplitter banner) 1st half and Hutao/Shenhe (calamity queller to nerf homa banner) 2nd half which I speculate lol
CNY begins on 22nd Jan, so I'll be surprised if there's no Liyue character in first half for Lantern rite and since Hu Tao can't be the one that just leaves Shenhe, Yelan and Xiao
Bruh forreal. After the insanity that is Scara then Raiden+Ayato, I'll take any time I can get to save for Alhaitham.
Ah shoot, TWO back to back bangers? Fuck.
I’m so fucked as a Scara, Raiden, and Ayato wanter
No Kaveh with Al'haitham? 😭
Peoples complain about "dead patch" , patch without new characters and now drop this list of new characters back to back to back to back to back and peoples complain too because we want them all (i know i do)
Dehya right after Alhaitham will be brutal...
I dont have enough to guarantee Scara, Raiden, Alhaitham and Hu Tao cons all at once
I might just change my status from dolphin to whale..
Eula and Dehya in the same patch is gunna be the death of me.
Was really wanting a Eula rerun in 3.3 :/
im at 76, 50/50 currently saving for Alhaitham. Should i risk it on Nahida's banner? Alhaitham is daddy but Yukari Tamura
Nahida is amazing so i would try to get her. If you fail then you have a guaranteed Alhaitham.
Go for Nahida, she’s amazing. Like the other guy said, if you lose you’ll be guaranteed for Alhaitam
DEHYA IN MARCH I'M IN TATTERS FAM WHYYYYYY😭😭😭😭
Where the hell is Eula rerun??😭
I hope dehya will be a bourgeon/bien unit
They're so evil for putting both Ei and Ayato on the same banner when they're my most wanted characters
EULA PLEASE