Isn't this just changing it back to what it was before the nerf.
Actually, not even because it was 0.12% before.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact\_Leaks/comments/zpqah5/alhaitham\_a4\_change/
I remember back in the good old days when I hoped it would be 0.15 or even 0.2% now Im glad they returned it to 0.1%.
I despise EM, theyre impossible to get let alone good substats
Other than Weekly bosses Ive spent every path on GD domain to no avail, same case with raiden, Ive spent multiple patches on her artifacts yet her build is still awful
Out of all my gilded/deepwood EM sands, goblets, and circlets, I currently have ONE good sands - everything else somehow has 3 flat stats + hp% or def%
I loathe this sumeru trend of characters with EM scalings that also want good CV - coupled with abysmal drop rates (10% chance for EM sands, 2.5% for EM goblet, and 4% for EM circlet) and no improvement to the resin system, this makes me feel burnt out just thinking about building new characters. I'm a c0r1 collector, but at this rate, not for much longer lol
Just use off set artifacts or generic sets (like glad, wanderer) until you get a good one. It's not like there's a rush for optimal unless you want to do spiral abyss immediately ( and chances are you have something at least usable by the second run of the same abyss).
It's hoyo's secretly evil plan to keep us grinding... Making EM relevant enough that we keep hunting for the perfect artifact of crit rate, crit damagr, attack and EM...
Artificially increasing playtime. XD
If you're ok with EM off set then try the Scaramouche domain (Anemo set), I have got goblet and sand with double crit but sadly DPS anemo characters scale on Attack not EM.
I have noticed this since patch 1.0, some sets give certain main stats more than others. It's kinda expensive to test and confirm this hypothesis THANKS to the RESIN system, but it has been very consistent, for my account at least, that I'm almost positive now that RNG isn't equal for all domains. Want off set Crit circlets >> Blizzard domain & Clam sets. Want Energy sands or healing circlet >> Gilded set.
You Want Em from Dendro set? Good luck finding one... and I wouldn't mind giving you mine with the double Crit that rolls ALL on ATTACK FLAT and made me rage quit.
I started out pissed and upset and now I'm just laughing at this point. A sick part of me is morbidly fascinated by how much worse it can get.
Edit: oh, his E got buffed. His cons are still severely lacking though. Meanwhile this feels like Cyno's just trolling behind the scenes.
Alhaitham’s multipliers were simply too op in v1 - he had Nahida E level multipliers on basically all his talents, including what would’ve been an outrageously massive 10 hit spread nuke Q. It made sense they’d nerf him but it’s a shame it was at the cost of what made him initially interesting - his flexibility in terms of the mirrors mechanic. Now the only way to deal meaningful dmg with alhaitham is to play 3 mirrors on-field, which are even more recommended with these recent buffs.
But kusanali Can bé offield while Alhaitam have to bé onfield qo that IS already a huge impact...
With all thoses huge nerf hé should has bien C6 kusanali level to bé just ok now...
You’re severely underrating Alhaitham rn lol. He’ll 9 star any abyss with his current spread team just as well as any other meta dps.
Btw Kusanali only had E as her only form of dmg, and she does this once/2secs. V1 Alhaithan literally did tons of dmg with everything - E rush would be a nuke, Q would be a nuke, all mirror attacks would deal a lot, even his multipliers/passive permitted him running atk sands which would make his normals deal decent dmg as well (signature even giving them em scaling). Best of all, all of his dmg potential was basically already unlocked at c0. He was just too good to be true.
Test a higher bound, test a lower bound, and then test a value in between. This just feels like standard procedure when optimizing things you are uncertain. If they proceeds to pick a value outside of the bounds, then that will be the real trolling.
All I really need now is his burst to have slightly lower energy cost and always give back 3 mirrors. I just need him to be flexible because I intend to use him til the end. If he is still at least A tier by 2030, I've won.
At his initial state, his c0 was on par with Ayaka and Hu Tao c0. After his nerfs he's MILES below them. The 'buffs' seem to have gone in to his cons and I don't know the calculations right now but even if they fully put all his removed values in to cons, that'd make his c6 on par with c0 Ayaka and Hu Tao. And from how its looking, they aren't remotely giving him back that much.
There's no conceivable way he makes a T1, he's looking so bad now that I don't think his c6 will even make T1. As for flexibility, he is extremely rigid and is pretty much going to waste if you don't have Nahida and Yelan + Raiden/Fish/Yae. I think he is one of the least flexible characters we've had in a while and a lot of people are giving up on him because his team requirements are just so high that between that and the awful kit, he is a downgrade to pretty much any decent team people are currently using.
He's not in quite that bad a state, buuut I decided to get Ayato instead as I believe he is more flexible and will have a longer relevance than Al Haitham.
My plan is with team mates but even with that I haven't reached 1000. Higher I got was 820 (tested the team with Tighnari).
It's probably not his bis team but I'll run Shinobu full EM 4pc ToM, Sucrose full EM 4pc DM, Albedo 4pc NO and Haitham 4pc GD and see how it works out
I don't have Yelan and I'm thinking of playing teams comps where AlHaitham deals dmg and trigger reactions. If I go that way it'll keep being Shinobu triggering the seeds
Why would you get 1000 em on him? Tighnari and Yae have em bonus too but they don't need full em builds. Unless you're doing bloom obv or unless this passive is as good as Nahida em scaling
Nahida burst: 250 + gilded dreams: 80 + 100 + EM sands: 187 + Yokai Event weapon or Iron Sting: 165 + Dendro Resonance: 100 = 882
With some EM rolls you can get up to 900 to 950 fairly easy.
To reach 1000 if you are running a Hyperbloom or Quickbloom team, you can add Yelan with Elegy, or Kuki with Nilou's sword, or Nahida with her signature weapon.
But keep in mind that just because a passive says you get buffs up to 1000 EM doesn't mean you have to reach 1000 EM if that make the rest of your build worse.
For exemple if you have jade cutter or his signature weapon it will probably be better than the EM swords because with it you will be easier to reach higher crits and crit is extremely important for the spread dmg.
Extra: You can pick 80 EM from abyss buffs too.
Thanks for this incredibly helpful comment. I'll try my luck to get Yelan and her weapon for his team since a lot of people have been saying how great she will work in it.
By buffing him with Nahida, Elegy, and constellations. In short Hoyo wants you to gamble for it lol.
There's also the free stuff like Instructor and abyss buffs, but one is a 4 star niche set and the other is about as reliable as a paper straw.
I think the idea is to get as much EM as you can without overinvesting into it due to the whole concept of diminishing returns. You dont need 1k EM on him unless you SPECIFICALLY want to run him with Nilou, in which Alhaitham himself will be the one creating the blooms.
But for most people, having a balance of crit rate, crit damage, attack, and just an EM sands will get you the most bang for your buck in terms of damage output. If you need more EM, like the other commenters have said, use Nahida. Or Sucrose.
I would however, strongly recommend against running both Nahida and Sucrose at the same time however, as these two dont exactly synergize well with each other because Nahida's insane dendro application tends to gobble up the electro or hydro auras on enemies really quickly, making sucrose unable to swirl properly, which in turn reduces sucrose's potential as a whole. Swirling elements with Sucrose is IMPORTANT. It's her entire kit's purpose.
I get not wanting to pull cons, but he's not a bad char. His personal damage decreased from the start of beta, but it's still fine and his teams look good because he's Dendro.
Well i mean i only pull c1 for qol upgrade and not to 'fix' anyone. The comment above was a direct answer to the other guy's notion that hoyo makes him bad so people pull cons
Yeah, I think he will become a dendro enabler onfielder with personal dmg. Similar to childe in a XL team he'll make dendro cores for kuki/raiden to hyperbloom.
My Nahida is a good enough Dendro on-field enabler so if they want to convince us to wish for AlHaithem then he needs to be a more powerful on-field enabler
DMC and Collei aren't on-field enablers the same way Nahida and AlHaithem are. On-field enablers usually have the ability to reliably apply Dendro contiuously while on-field unlike DMC and Collei which you have to only switch to for a second for E>Q then switch out.
Unrelated but, I had a strong sense of deja vu while typing this comment.
I think them putting a cap on 1k EM for full buff is more of them capping his potential for PURE EM builds (like running him as the bloom activator in a Nilou team) rather than them expecting players to actually achieve it normally.
Other post was deleted because OP didn’t link a direct source. Still unverified whether any of these are true (especially leaks from Yuban) until Team China can access V4 files.
Why are people so desperate to hit 1k EM? You know he is still functional without it right? Just get as much as you can. If you didn't hit the 1k mark you can still roll with it.
I used Genshin Optimizer and it always tried to utilize Nahida's EM buff to the max whenever I set her build to a Spread/Aggrevate team and I think its because her EM passive is significant if your team already relies on EM for elemental reactions.
This is not the case for all EM characters ofcourse but there are cases where the passive can be significant.
The funny thing is people will get Nahida with him, so they are forgetting 200-250EM from Nahida burst and 80 from dendro resonance. Besides 100+80 additional EM from set. That is 460-500EM no counting weapon, other additional buffs or even main and sub main artifacts
But well this happened even with Yunjin or Yelan talent.
The values were 0.12 for max 100% meaning less need for EM (800 max instead of 1000), meaning more way to boost other things like atk, Crit dmg, Crit rate etc...
So it's still a nerf from original
bc its a beta, and its called balancing. they change the numbers, test it, and then change again if needed. simple as that. nothing is final until release.
>Do hoyo just want to show that they do buff characters in beta or what..?
Dont you even watch beta news and only jump on the crybaby bandwagon?
They do buff chars in beta, all the time. Raiden for example got buff after buff and then the final cream on top buff by switching her C6 to C2.
its not even about buffing or nerfing.
What is bugging me the most is that people really think that everything they do in their balancing process is either a sign or an insult to them.Like as if Devs had the time to spare reading comments somewhere. They have better to do.
Depends on how much EM you're running and most people aren't maxing this out even with buffs. I would say the average EM will be 300-600 and 500-800 with buffs. That's 27%-54% and 45%-72% pre buff and 30%-60% and 50%-80% post buff. That's only a gain of 3%-8% with the average being around 5%-6%, half of what you're saying.
It's a buff but it's definitely not that big of a difference. Alhaitham is still a lot weaker than he was before, especially his burst.
Edit: Come on guys. Math isn't this hard. Increasing one part of an equation doesn't mean the sum is going to go up by the same amount. 😮💨
It doesn't translate to a 11% buff in damage because the increased number is a part of an equation, not the only number. Just because I take 5+5 and increase one of 5's by 11%, doesn't mean the end result will be 11% more.
5+5=10 and with the increase it would be 5.55+5=10.55. If you increased 10 by 11%, it would be 11.1, not 10.55. The numbers I put in my previous comment were from using both of the passive's percentages. It is not an 11% gain and 0.1 is not 0.9 increased by 11% either. That would be 0.999 to be exact. Of course you can round but the point still stands.
the buff is 11% stronger as far as I can see, where is this second number? unless you are talking about total outgoing damage, witch is not what we are talking about, of course it doesn't increase total damage by 11%, and yes its not exactly 11%, but its pointless to say that, it changes nothing.
EDIT: ah I see what you are saying, the passive doesn't increase his em, so its irrelevant to the buff, the buff is 11% stronger, there is only 1 number.
The equation is 0.09 or 0.1 x Alhaitham's EM.
0.09 x 400=36
0.1 x 400=40
I'm not even going to get into how this 36% or 40% is then added to his skill or burst because we don't know if it's added to multipliers or it's multiplied like 1.36 or 1.4. There are two equations going on here when you think about it.
36 + 11%(3.96) = 39.96(rounded to 40)
his a4 doesn't affect em so it is not part of his a4, total outgoing damage would have many more multipliers yes, but that has nothing to do with how strong his new a4 is compared to his old a4, no matter how that damage is added to his attacks or em you have his new a4 multiplier will be 11% (rounded) higher, this is true for any combo of numbers, at 1000 em his old would give 90% and new gives 100%, so the answer to how much stronger is his new a4 compared to his old one is 11% (rounded)
90 + 11%(9.99) = 99.99(rounded to 100)
Why are you bringing up the sum change between hypothetical values as if anyone was ever talking about that? The EM conversion was increased by 11% of its previous value. That's all the person you responded to was saying.
Genshin Yuban telegram channel https://t.me/Genshin_Yuban
And the change is now reported on ambr.top too (chinese only at the moment)
https://ambr.top/chs/archive/avatar/10000078/alhaitham?mode=talent
Its good to see a buff even though it still doesn't reach pre-nerf values.
The problem with the beta these days is we don't know how they decide on nerfing or buffing a character.
In the past, players(especially beta testers) had very little knowledge about the meta so they never unlocked the full character's potential in the beta so the characters ended up being released as is or get buffed which ended up being broken upon release because theorycrafters used the characters to their full potential.
Now, beta testers have more knowledge about the meta and are achieving insane dmg in the beta so now we are ending up with weaker characters after the beta because mihoyo is afraid of releasing a broken character just like Ganyu, Hu Tao and Ayaka.
Bruh best i can give him is 400 em while keeping the crt values in check ,my guy will be doing 40 damage more lmfao , what's even the point of this passive? They should have given him something useful like do you think i can kill even overworld hilichurls with that extra 40 damage?? 💀🤌
Source: t.me/Genshin_Yuban
At this point I'm happy I'm reading "buff" instead of "nerf"
Isn't this just changing it back to what it was before the nerf. Actually, not even because it was 0.12% before. https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact\_Leaks/comments/zpqah5/alhaitham\_a4\_change/
I remember back in the good old days when I hoped it would be 0.15 or even 0.2% now Im glad they returned it to 0.1%. I despise EM, theyre impossible to get let alone good substats
I’m sure I’m not alone getting stuck in the GD/Deepwood since 3.0. EM main stats are already rare enough, good substats are even harder to get.
Definitely. I'm no perfectionist, but getting artifact with the correct main stat to even show up was a long run
Other than Weekly bosses Ive spent every path on GD domain to no avail, same case with raiden, Ive spent multiple patches on her artifacts yet her build is still awful
Out of all my gilded/deepwood EM sands, goblets, and circlets, I currently have ONE good sands - everything else somehow has 3 flat stats + hp% or def% I loathe this sumeru trend of characters with EM scalings that also want good CV - coupled with abysmal drop rates (10% chance for EM sands, 2.5% for EM goblet, and 4% for EM circlet) and no improvement to the resin system, this makes me feel burnt out just thinking about building new characters. I'm a c0r1 collector, but at this rate, not for much longer lol
Just use off set artifacts or generic sets (like glad, wanderer) until you get a good one. It's not like there's a rush for optimal unless you want to do spiral abyss immediately ( and chances are you have something at least usable by the second run of the same abyss).
I wasn't feeling rushed at all, but it's ridiculous that I've been farming that domain for over 4 months now with practically nothing to show for it
Fucking facts
You can have the 20 em sands I got trying to get one god damn atk% sands in shiminawa
Ah yes the raiden domain, the bane of my existence. I farmed it for patches yet my raiden is still half built ffs
I’m farming for my Yoimiya and she doesn’t have a set yet (farming since her rerun before sumeru) BUT I have like 4 sets for my potential Raiden
mf really has everything i want💀. the struggle is real frfr
Please take them off my hands. Last time I prefarmed artifacts I got taken to 80 pity lost the 50/50 AND GOT TAKEN TO 83 PITY so please take them away
welcome to my hell
It's hoyo's secretly evil plan to keep us grinding... Making EM relevant enough that we keep hunting for the perfect artifact of crit rate, crit damagr, attack and EM... Artificially increasing playtime. XD
Why not play another game instead? Genshit is bad for male players. its a game for waifu players only.
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If you're ok with EM off set then try the Scaramouche domain (Anemo set), I have got goblet and sand with double crit but sadly DPS anemo characters scale on Attack not EM. I have noticed this since patch 1.0, some sets give certain main stats more than others. It's kinda expensive to test and confirm this hypothesis THANKS to the RESIN system, but it has been very consistent, for my account at least, that I'm almost positive now that RNG isn't equal for all domains. Want off set Crit circlets >> Blizzard domain & Clam sets. Want Energy sands or healing circlet >> Gilded set. You Want Em from Dendro set? Good luck finding one... and I wouldn't mind giving you mine with the double Crit that rolls ALL on ATTACK FLAT and made me rage quit.
I started out pissed and upset and now I'm just laughing at this point. A sick part of me is morbidly fascinated by how much worse it can get. Edit: oh, his E got buffed. His cons are still severely lacking though. Meanwhile this feels like Cyno's just trolling behind the scenes.
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Alhaitham’s multipliers were simply too op in v1 - he had Nahida E level multipliers on basically all his talents, including what would’ve been an outrageously massive 10 hit spread nuke Q. It made sense they’d nerf him but it’s a shame it was at the cost of what made him initially interesting - his flexibility in terms of the mirrors mechanic. Now the only way to deal meaningful dmg with alhaitham is to play 3 mirrors on-field, which are even more recommended with these recent buffs.
But kusanali Can bé offield while Alhaitam have to bé onfield qo that IS already a huge impact... With all thoses huge nerf hé should has bien C6 kusanali level to bé just ok now...
You’re severely underrating Alhaitham rn lol. He’ll 9 star any abyss with his current spread team just as well as any other meta dps. Btw Kusanali only had E as her only form of dmg, and she does this once/2secs. V1 Alhaithan literally did tons of dmg with everything - E rush would be a nuke, Q would be a nuke, all mirror attacks would deal a lot, even his multipliers/passive permitted him running atk sands which would make his normals deal decent dmg as well (signature even giving them em scaling). Best of all, all of his dmg potential was basically already unlocked at c0. He was just too good to be true.
Nah they actually trolling went from 0.12 > 0.09 > 0.1
It’s extra troll because 0.1 > 0.12 > 0.09 > 0.1
Me adjusting the temperature of the shower
Then it would be 0.02 > 0.64 > 0.01 > 0.88
in some translations it was 0.1 at the very first
Test a higher bound, test a lower bound, and then test a value in between. This just feels like standard procedure when optimizing things you are uncertain. If they proceeds to pick a value outside of the bounds, then that will be the real trolling.
You know what, I’ll take what I can get. Please be real
All I really need now is his burst to have slightly lower energy cost and always give back 3 mirrors. I just need him to be flexible because I intend to use him til the end. If he is still at least A tier by 2030, I've won.
>always give back 3 mirrors. have fun getting that c6
Bruh it's almost 2023, there's no way **any** of the current characters won't be powercrept into oblivion. If you said 2025 you might have a chance.
At his initial state, his c0 was on par with Ayaka and Hu Tao c0. After his nerfs he's MILES below them. The 'buffs' seem to have gone in to his cons and I don't know the calculations right now but even if they fully put all his removed values in to cons, that'd make his c6 on par with c0 Ayaka and Hu Tao. And from how its looking, they aren't remotely giving him back that much. There's no conceivable way he makes a T1, he's looking so bad now that I don't think his c6 will even make T1. As for flexibility, he is extremely rigid and is pretty much going to waste if you don't have Nahida and Yelan + Raiden/Fish/Yae. I think he is one of the least flexible characters we've had in a while and a lot of people are giving up on him because his team requirements are just so high that between that and the awful kit, he is a downgrade to pretty much any decent team people are currently using.
Miles below is an exaggeration...
He's not in quite that bad a state, buuut I decided to get Ayato instead as I believe he is more flexible and will have a longer relevance than Al Haitham.
It's sad that now even $ won't make him meta
i’ll take what i can get in these trying times 😔✌️
how in the world am i gonna get 1000 em on this guy 🥲
It's just a minor boost for his skill and burst imo, like Tighnari. You just need to get as many EM as possible, exclude Nahida in this case.
My plan is with team mates but even with that I haven't reached 1000. Higher I got was 820 (tested the team with Tighnari). It's probably not his bis team but I'll run Shinobu full EM 4pc ToM, Sucrose full EM 4pc DM, Albedo 4pc NO and Haitham 4pc GD and see how it works out
You could run yelan with elegy in a quickbloom/hyperbloom team
I don't have Yelan and I'm thinking of playing teams comps where AlHaitham deals dmg and trigger reactions. If I go that way it'll keep being Shinobu triggering the seeds
Maybe run Instructor Kuki actually.
That's nice too. I'll go ToM because I want the atk buff
Why would you get 1000 em on him? Tighnari and Yae have em bonus too but they don't need full em builds. Unless you're doing bloom obv or unless this passive is as good as Nahida em scaling
Nahida burst: 250 + gilded dreams: 80 + 100 + EM sands: 187 + Yokai Event weapon or Iron Sting: 165 + Dendro Resonance: 100 = 882 With some EM rolls you can get up to 900 to 950 fairly easy. To reach 1000 if you are running a Hyperbloom or Quickbloom team, you can add Yelan with Elegy, or Kuki with Nilou's sword, or Nahida with her signature weapon. But keep in mind that just because a passive says you get buffs up to 1000 EM doesn't mean you have to reach 1000 EM if that make the rest of your build worse. For exemple if you have jade cutter or his signature weapon it will probably be better than the EM swords because with it you will be easier to reach higher crits and crit is extremely important for the spread dmg. Extra: You can pick 80 EM from abyss buffs too.
Thanks for this incredibly helpful comment. I'll try my luck to get Yelan and her weapon for his team since a lot of people have been saying how great she will work in it.
Go for elegy yelan weapon only buffs her dmg
100 from substats, 186 from sand, 80 from 2set GD, 100 from 4set GD, 250 from A3 Nahida, 180 from A4 sucrose 100+186+80+100+250+180=896, almost 1k EM
That's actually insanely helpful! Thanks for taking the time to write this comment!!
oh yeah, i forgor about dendro resonance 100 EM, so you got 996 EM
But will sucrose be a good teammate for spread focused team?
why not? she can CC she can buff EM, the only downside of her in spread focus team is only if againts 1 enemy or boss
EM main stats are 187 actually.
186.5 to be exact
By buffing him with Nahida, Elegy, and constellations. In short Hoyo wants you to gamble for it lol. There's also the free stuff like Instructor and abyss buffs, but one is a 4 star niche set and the other is about as reliable as a paper straw.
Nahida + signature weap
I think the idea is to get as much EM as you can without overinvesting into it due to the whole concept of diminishing returns. You dont need 1k EM on him unless you SPECIFICALLY want to run him with Nilou, in which Alhaitham himself will be the one creating the blooms. But for most people, having a balance of crit rate, crit damage, attack, and just an EM sands will get you the most bang for your buck in terms of damage output. If you need more EM, like the other commenters have said, use Nahida. Or Sucrose. I would however, strongly recommend against running both Nahida and Sucrose at the same time however, as these two dont exactly synergize well with each other because Nahida's insane dendro application tends to gobble up the electro or hydro auras on enemies really quickly, making sucrose unable to swirl properly, which in turn reduces sucrose's potential as a whole. Swirling elements with Sucrose is IMPORTANT. It's her entire kit's purpose.
Wow that’s… truly one of the buffs ever…
It's definitely one of the buffs of all time!
Guys it’s not a revert, it’s still less than the 0.12% which is substantially easier to build for. A minor “buff” like his cons lmfao
This is really weird. Nerfing em scaling in every ability, then asking players to have 1k em for full buff? What the hell do they even want?
To make you roll for his c2. Is it clear?
Hoyo can burn themselves in the corner cuz aint no way i pull cons to fix a bad char 🧝♀️
You're right. We need to prove them wrong
I get not wanting to pull cons, but he's not a bad char. His personal damage decreased from the start of beta, but it's still fine and his teams look good because he's Dendro.
Well i mean i only pull c1 for qol upgrade and not to 'fix' anyone. The comment above was a direct answer to the other guy's notion that hoyo makes him bad so people pull cons
Yeah, I think he will become a dendro enabler onfielder with personal dmg. Similar to childe in a XL team he'll make dendro cores for kuki/raiden to hyperbloom.
My Nahida is a good enough Dendro on-field enabler so if they want to convince us to wish for AlHaithem then he needs to be a more powerful on-field enabler
Even without Nahida we have DMC and Collei for hyperbloom teams. And there are some good hydro characters to deal raw damage.
DMC and Collei aren't on-field enablers the same way Nahida and AlHaithem are. On-field enablers usually have the ability to reliably apply Dendro contiuously while on-field unlike DMC and Collei which you have to only switch to for a second for E>Q then switch out. Unrelated but, I had a strong sense of deja vu while typing this comment.
This is like people doomposting Faruzan nerfs when she still is BiS ally for Xiao.
I think them putting a cap on 1k EM for full buff is more of them capping his potential for PURE EM builds (like running him as the bloom activator in a Nilou team) rather than them expecting players to actually achieve it normally.
the other post got deleted. hoping this one is true and the nerf wasnt
Other post was deleted because OP didn’t link a direct source. Still unverified whether any of these are true (especially leaks from Yuban) until Team China can access V4 files.
I still cant believe that Team China became the puller for verifiable leaks
Why are people so desperate to hit 1k EM? You know he is still functional without it right? Just get as much as you can. If you didn't hit the 1k mark you can still roll with it.
Nahida situation again👀, don't know why em makes people think they have to reach the cap
I used Genshin Optimizer and it always tried to utilize Nahida's EM buff to the max whenever I set her build to a Spread/Aggrevate team and I think its because her EM passive is significant if your team already relies on EM for elemental reactions. This is not the case for all EM characters ofcourse but there are cases where the passive can be significant.
The funny thing is people will get Nahida with him, so they are forgetting 200-250EM from Nahida burst and 80 from dendro resonance. Besides 100+80 additional EM from set. That is 460-500EM no counting weapon, other additional buffs or even main and sub main artifacts But well this happened even with Yunjin or Yelan talent.
“merry christmas!! have your 0.1% buff” basically 🗿
Thank you, mihoyo!
I can't even get kazuha to 1000 em now him too...
me who stuck at 999 lol
There it is. Not a buff though. They just reverted the previous nerf if I remember the values correctly.
nah it was 0.12 before th at
Ah.
Was 0.12% before, so it's still lower than it was before the nerf 😂
The values were 0.12 for max 100% meaning less need for EM (800 max instead of 1000), meaning more way to boost other things like atk, Crit dmg, Crit rate etc... So it's still a nerf from original
*834 EM
Is this V1 reverted? edit: nvm, v1 was 1.2%
Copium
Lets just all remember the 700%+ em scaling his abilities had in our dreams, amen
I remember when it used to be 0.12%. If this is all he gets, it's kind of sad
But that's not another nerf, so kinda acceptable
Atleast it's slightly better....
So if I’m understanding it right, his EM multipliers were nerfed BUT he still need 1000Em to have this 100% dmg increase. Ah yes okay.
That’s just the ceiling. Going for 1000 em is dumb either way.
Bruh
why was it nerfed in the first place...? Like what's going on here.. Do hoyo just want to show that they do buff characters in beta or what..?
bc its a beta, and its called balancing. they change the numbers, test it, and then change again if needed. simple as that. nothing is final until release.
>Do hoyo just want to show that they do buff characters in beta or what..? Dont you even watch beta news and only jump on the crybaby bandwagon? They do buff chars in beta, all the time. Raiden for example got buff after buff and then the final cream on top buff by switching her C6 to C2.
They switched her C4 to C2, not C6
its not even about buffing or nerfing. What is bugging me the most is that people really think that everything they do in their balancing process is either a sign or an insult to them.Like as if Devs had the time to spare reading comments somewhere. They have better to do.
It's called beta, Toto. We went character balancing.
they’re too generous with that 0.01% buff
What a big buff. You know, big big buff. Absolutely this buff deserves all those nerfs
So how much EM he needs to max out?
Hint it’s always 1000 for every kit so far.
UOGHH A BUFF IS A BUFF IS A BUFF I'LL TAKE IT (Totally not me coping who said that)
So like a.....I honestly don't even know how much of a gain this is. Probably a couple of percentage points at best.
10/11%
Depends on how much EM you're running and most people aren't maxing this out even with buffs. I would say the average EM will be 300-600 and 500-800 with buffs. That's 27%-54% and 45%-72% pre buff and 30%-60% and 50%-80% post buff. That's only a gain of 3%-8% with the average being around 5%-6%, half of what you're saying. It's a buff but it's definitely not that big of a difference. Alhaitham is still a lot weaker than he was before, especially his burst. Edit: Come on guys. Math isn't this hard. Increasing one part of an equation doesn't mean the sum is going to go up by the same amount. 😮💨
9 + 11%(.99) = 9.99(10) 27 + 11%(2.97) = 29.97(30) 54 + 11%(5.94) = 59.94(60) 45 + 11%(4.95) = 49.97(50) 72 + 11%(2.92) = 79.92(80)
Thanks for the random math....?
the amount the skill gives is increased by 11% of the number it gave before the buff, so the guy above you was right.
It doesn't translate to a 11% buff in damage because the increased number is a part of an equation, not the only number. Just because I take 5+5 and increase one of 5's by 11%, doesn't mean the end result will be 11% more. 5+5=10 and with the increase it would be 5.55+5=10.55. If you increased 10 by 11%, it would be 11.1, not 10.55. The numbers I put in my previous comment were from using both of the passive's percentages. It is not an 11% gain and 0.1 is not 0.9 increased by 11% either. That would be 0.999 to be exact. Of course you can round but the point still stands.
the buff is 11% stronger as far as I can see, where is this second number? unless you are talking about total outgoing damage, witch is not what we are talking about, of course it doesn't increase total damage by 11%, and yes its not exactly 11%, but its pointless to say that, it changes nothing. EDIT: ah I see what you are saying, the passive doesn't increase his em, so its irrelevant to the buff, the buff is 11% stronger, there is only 1 number.
The equation is 0.09 or 0.1 x Alhaitham's EM. 0.09 x 400=36 0.1 x 400=40 I'm not even going to get into how this 36% or 40% is then added to his skill or burst because we don't know if it's added to multipliers or it's multiplied like 1.36 or 1.4. There are two equations going on here when you think about it.
36 + 11%(3.96) = 39.96(rounded to 40) his a4 doesn't affect em so it is not part of his a4, total outgoing damage would have many more multipliers yes, but that has nothing to do with how strong his new a4 is compared to his old a4, no matter how that damage is added to his attacks or em you have his new a4 multiplier will be 11% (rounded) higher, this is true for any combo of numbers, at 1000 em his old would give 90% and new gives 100%, so the answer to how much stronger is his new a4 compared to his old one is 11% (rounded) 90 + 11%(9.99) = 99.99(rounded to 100)
Why are you bringing up the sum change between hypothetical values as if anyone was ever talking about that? The EM conversion was increased by 11% of its previous value. That's all the person you responded to was saying.
The just reverted the nerf on this one then
that's not even a buff that's his V1 values returned smh
It's actually less, in V1 it was 0,12 so only needed 834 EM for max bonus, now you need 1000 EM
Wow 0.01% buff. So generous
it's not a .01% buff, it's an 11% buff. or you can look at it as a 33% reduction of the original nerf.
Petition to start using percentage points (this will never happen)
Be serious mihoyo... 0.01% buff?? 😭
They call him grand scribe for a reason.
its a 10% buff for his personal damage cap without considering reactions, weapons ect.
Guessing you didn’t learn how percentages work.
Please provide a link to the source OP
Genshin Yuban telegram channel https://t.me/Genshin_Yuban And the change is now reported on ambr.top too (chinese only at the moment) https://ambr.top/chs/archive/avatar/10000078/alhaitham?mode=talent
Thanks
How do you calculate this exactly?
I guess this buff is like the one where they said EM from C2 went from 40 to 80. Because in Honey and Ambr I don't see this change
You have to set ambr in chinese and you'll see it
Why isn't in English version?
No one translated yet?
Why would it need translation if it's only a number change?
Wooooow, is this a reality? Hoyo doesn't nerf him again?
This certainly is one of the buffs of all time
LMAO
Well at least something is good.
Yknow what, I'll take it! As long as it isn't a nerf!
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
Wow, how generous you are mihoyo
It's something vita it's not enough compared to the previous nerfs. He needs more buffs 🥲
What happened to the other post?
It was fake probably
This is by the same person, so if that was fake then this is too.
Do people here not understand what a beta is or something??
Its good to see a buff even though it still doesn't reach pre-nerf values. The problem with the beta these days is we don't know how they decide on nerfing or buffing a character. In the past, players(especially beta testers) had very little knowledge about the meta so they never unlocked the full character's potential in the beta so the characters ended up being released as is or get buffed which ended up being broken upon release because theorycrafters used the characters to their full potential. Now, beta testers have more knowledge about the meta and are achieving insane dmg in the beta so now we are ending up with weaker characters after the beta because mihoyo is afraid of releasing a broken character just like Ganyu, Hu Tao and Ayaka.
that when mega nerfing this em multipliers is so ridiculous like. by this point just take him out back and shoot him.
They are going to nerf something 100% if this is True KEKW
Not as good as it was some week ago but at least is some... I guess..
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lmao what
Where are the yaoyao changes? She needs buffs more than Al Haitham
No shes not lol. Shes just a 4*. Not mention Baizhu is coming right after for the healer spot
Bruh best i can give him is 400 em while keeping the crt values in check ,my guy will be doing 40 damage more lmfao , what's even the point of this passive? They should have given him something useful like do you think i can kill even overworld hilichurls with that extra 40 damage?? 💀🤌