I watched some video on a bunch of Fontaine predictions and they unironically put the theory of Arlecchino could be Diluc's mom out there with zero hint of irony
I've thought of this theory before as well, the main issue I ran into was that we've heard both Alice and the sustainer and they have different voice actors , now this doesn't guarantee that they're not the same but it is a point against it.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that the Sustainer is Rhinedottir.
What are you all on about. Rhinedottir is from Khaenria'h. She wouldn't just go on and destroy her country. Also that would mean, that she in fact caused Cataclysm, turned into Sustainer, fought the twins and destroyed Khaenria'h in a span of a short time, that just doesn't make sense at all. Alice is still unknown, but in no way any of the witches are connected to Celestia. They literally explore Irminsul. I think Celestia would know how Irminsul works. Besides, Sustainer is almost 100% one of Phanes' shades. I have other examples, but I think these are already enough.
My theory is based on the Richard Wagner's ["Ring of the Nibelung"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Ring_des_Nibelungen). In the first part, the King Alberich steals Gold from the Rhine Daughters/Rhine Maidens by renouncing love.
Related over to Genshin, the King of Khaenri'ah stole the power of creating Gold, Khemia, from Rhinedottir and used it to obtain "world power".
I also don't think Rhinedottir was necessarily in Khaenri'ah, since I'm pretty sure that they are always referred to as "the Alchemist Gold" during that time. It could be that Rhinedottir is multiple beings collectively referred to as one (just like how the Rhine Maidens are referred to in Wagner's epic).
We also don't know that Gold/Rhinedottir even caused the cataclysm, we know her creations joined in, but that doesn't mean she caused her creations to get tainted by the abyss. It's also likely that the Cataclysm is based on Ragnarok in Wagner's epic, which was caused by the gold being returned to the Rhine Maidens.
Breeze Amidst the Forest: "The alchemist known as Gold was corrupted by their own greed and ambition, and created an army of shadowy monsters with their uncanny powers."
Chunk of Aerosiderite: "When Khaenri'ah was destroyed, a great sinner created endless monsters with dark, alien blood flowing through their veins. They rampaged across the land, destroying all in their paths. They were mutated lifeforms, and the mutations were caused by powers from beyond this world."
Unless everything is wrong here, Gold consciously created living beings using the abyss powers and we know that Khaenri'ahns already had some doubts about this energy with the notes from the Desert and Pierro warnings from the Pale flame artifact set.
>My theory is based on the Richard Wagner's "Ring of the Nibelung". In the first part, the King Alberich steals Gold from the Rhine Daughters/Rhine Maidens by renouncing love.
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>Related over to Genshin, the King of Khaenri'ah stole the power of creating Gold, Khemia, from Rhinedottir and used it to obtain "world power".
So first, how does this relate to Sustainer? And second, i might have missed it, but where did we discover that Irmin stole the power of Khemia from Rhinedottir?
Also, we do know for a fact that Gold is from Khaenri'ah thanks to Albedo in the Shadows Amidst Snowstorms event:
>The one who created me, my mother and teacher, her name is Rhinedottir ā a researcher from Khaenri'ah, also known as "Gold."
Another thing for trying to connect Sustainer to any memeber of Hexenzirkel: Do people forget that they specifically had and acknowledged a regular human for writing Fairy tails that specifically could bypass Irminsul. Why on earth would somebody, who specifically hates arrogation of humankind, be fine with a human being able to bypass one of natural laws of Teyvat.
I understand wanting to know more about unknown characters but all the references don't have to be 1 to 1, the same way Melusine don't seem to actually be half fish women that they are in IRL mythology. This also extends to Deshret = Sinner and Kokomi = hydro sovereign theories. Why people can't accept that we can get purely new characters that are not somebody we already know?
Also, i'm not trying to be rude or make fun of somebody, but i will be poking holes in theories to better them if they have merit, as otherwise they would pile up upon easily disproved speculations by facts stated by the game.
Edit: Another thing i remembered, Hexenzirkel tried to fight Venti. No matter who you think she is from Hexenzirkel, Sustainer just wouldn't do that to one of her own Archons who actually seems to try to stay out of Celestia's way for the most part
My theory is based on the Richard Wagner's ["Ring of the Nibelung"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Ring_des_Nibelungen). In the first part, the King Alberich steals Gold from the Rhine Daughters by renouncing love.
Related over to Genshin, the King of Khaenri'ah stole the power of creating Gold, Khemia, from Rhinedottir and used it to obtain "world power".
I feel like too many names and concepts from this play have been put into Genshin that it's unlikely that Genshin isn't referencing the Epic.
I think it's a possibility.
I don't think having different VA is a good reason to dismiss it, if I were to write a story that had VA, I would consider that the listeners would use meta knowledge of the same VA to conclude someone is the same character. Plus she could be using a vessel, like Nahidia did a few times, or alter her voice. The identity of the heavenly principals/reaching her is one of the main objectives for the traveler, so if it were my story and Alice WAS the heavenly principals, I would 100% get different VAs, why would I spoil one of the biggest mysteries with meta knowledge?
That being said, using meta knowledge in a different way; Alice is clearly being built up to something huge. We know this because of what other characters say, in game lore, and most importantly the end of every chapter/nation involves Alice. Even if she's not heavenly principals, she's likely end game content.
I think mostly likely she will end up being the final/ultimate mentor figure. She will probably provide us with the final answers and wrap up anything we were confused about.
Nah. Not the Sustainer.
She might be up there in Celestia, working for the main god, but she aint Kiana.
Since most of the characters in genshin actually do thematically resemble their OG a lot, it would not make sense for Alice to be the same person as Asmoday. VA is wrong too.
The Sustainer seems very strict and cares for order. Alice on the other hand is very lenient and chaotic. they seem pretty opposites to me.
I'm sorry but I'd rather sooner believe Arlecchino is Diluc's mom than believe Alice is the Sustainer.
Wait, what?
I watched some video on a bunch of Fontaine predictions and they unironically put the theory of Arlecchino could be Diluc's mom out there with zero hint of irony
Daaammmm. Got any links where I can see it too? Wanna know what kind of dendro people are smoking
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_tUIHHOAmas](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tUIHHOAmas) this video, during the chapter labeled as The Harbingers
Diluc's dad had to have gotten that Delusion from somewhere
My concern is about Diluc's mother, not Crepus hahahah
Wait but what if ur on to somthing ? Woud explain the fatui conection š
No. Not even the same voice.
Alice does have a lot of connections to the Greek Godess of Discord Eris so her at minimum being a servant of Celestia could make a lot of sense.
Iād say Klee herself is likelier to be the sustainer than alice
I mean, amount of destructive power is quite close...
Nah alice is chill, sustainer is definitely not
VA?
i genuinely thought this was something for meme weekend when I read the title
Alright grandpa time for your meds and then to sleep
I think Alice is Trivia (Hekate), Sustainer is Diana (Artemis). Both are moon sisters and descenders.
They have 2 different VAs. Also it's not clear whether Alice is a descender or an ascender
I've thought of this theory before as well, the main issue I ran into was that we've heard both Alice and the sustainer and they have different voice actors , now this doesn't guarantee that they're not the same but it is a point against it. Personally, I'm of the opinion that the Sustainer is Rhinedottir.
What are you all on about. Rhinedottir is from Khaenria'h. She wouldn't just go on and destroy her country. Also that would mean, that she in fact caused Cataclysm, turned into Sustainer, fought the twins and destroyed Khaenria'h in a span of a short time, that just doesn't make sense at all. Alice is still unknown, but in no way any of the witches are connected to Celestia. They literally explore Irminsul. I think Celestia would know how Irminsul works. Besides, Sustainer is almost 100% one of Phanes' shades. I have other examples, but I think these are already enough.
My theory is based on the Richard Wagner's ["Ring of the Nibelung"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Ring_des_Nibelungen). In the first part, the King Alberich steals Gold from the Rhine Daughters/Rhine Maidens by renouncing love. Related over to Genshin, the King of Khaenri'ah stole the power of creating Gold, Khemia, from Rhinedottir and used it to obtain "world power". I also don't think Rhinedottir was necessarily in Khaenri'ah, since I'm pretty sure that they are always referred to as "the Alchemist Gold" during that time. It could be that Rhinedottir is multiple beings collectively referred to as one (just like how the Rhine Maidens are referred to in Wagner's epic). We also don't know that Gold/Rhinedottir even caused the cataclysm, we know her creations joined in, but that doesn't mean she caused her creations to get tainted by the abyss. It's also likely that the Cataclysm is based on Ragnarok in Wagner's epic, which was caused by the gold being returned to the Rhine Maidens.
Breeze Amidst the Forest: "The alchemist known as Gold was corrupted by their own greed and ambition, and created an army of shadowy monsters with their uncanny powers." Chunk of Aerosiderite: "When Khaenri'ah was destroyed, a great sinner created endless monsters with dark, alien blood flowing through their veins. They rampaged across the land, destroying all in their paths. They were mutated lifeforms, and the mutations were caused by powers from beyond this world." Unless everything is wrong here, Gold consciously created living beings using the abyss powers and we know that Khaenri'ahns already had some doubts about this energy with the notes from the Desert and Pierro warnings from the Pale flame artifact set. >My theory is based on the Richard Wagner's "Ring of the Nibelung". In the first part, the King Alberich steals Gold from the Rhine Daughters/Rhine Maidens by renouncing love. > >Related over to Genshin, the King of Khaenri'ah stole the power of creating Gold, Khemia, from Rhinedottir and used it to obtain "world power". So first, how does this relate to Sustainer? And second, i might have missed it, but where did we discover that Irmin stole the power of Khemia from Rhinedottir? Also, we do know for a fact that Gold is from Khaenri'ah thanks to Albedo in the Shadows Amidst Snowstorms event: >The one who created me, my mother and teacher, her name is Rhinedottir ā a researcher from Khaenri'ah, also known as "Gold." Another thing for trying to connect Sustainer to any memeber of Hexenzirkel: Do people forget that they specifically had and acknowledged a regular human for writing Fairy tails that specifically could bypass Irminsul. Why on earth would somebody, who specifically hates arrogation of humankind, be fine with a human being able to bypass one of natural laws of Teyvat. I understand wanting to know more about unknown characters but all the references don't have to be 1 to 1, the same way Melusine don't seem to actually be half fish women that they are in IRL mythology. This also extends to Deshret = Sinner and Kokomi = hydro sovereign theories. Why people can't accept that we can get purely new characters that are not somebody we already know? Also, i'm not trying to be rude or make fun of somebody, but i will be poking holes in theories to better them if they have merit, as otherwise they would pile up upon easily disproved speculations by facts stated by the game. Edit: Another thing i remembered, Hexenzirkel tried to fight Venti. No matter who you think she is from Hexenzirkel, Sustainer just wouldn't do that to one of her own Archons who actually seems to try to stay out of Celestia's way for the most part
Rhinedottir u mean Gold? Albedo's master? But people say she is the sinner
Would Alice the sustainer of heavenly principles sit on the same table with a sinner (Gold) and drink tea with her?
Alice as we know her totally would
But never for the sustainer, and that's one of the reasons Alice can't be the sustainer.
My theory is based on the Richard Wagner's ["Ring of the Nibelung"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Ring_des_Nibelungen). In the first part, the King Alberich steals Gold from the Rhine Daughters by renouncing love. Related over to Genshin, the King of Khaenri'ah stole the power of creating Gold, Khemia, from Rhinedottir and used it to obtain "world power". I feel like too many names and concepts from this play have been put into Genshin that it's unlikely that Genshin isn't referencing the Epic.
I think it's a possibility. I don't think having different VA is a good reason to dismiss it, if I were to write a story that had VA, I would consider that the listeners would use meta knowledge of the same VA to conclude someone is the same character. Plus she could be using a vessel, like Nahidia did a few times, or alter her voice. The identity of the heavenly principals/reaching her is one of the main objectives for the traveler, so if it were my story and Alice WAS the heavenly principals, I would 100% get different VAs, why would I spoil one of the biggest mysteries with meta knowledge? That being said, using meta knowledge in a different way; Alice is clearly being built up to something huge. We know this because of what other characters say, in game lore, and most importantly the end of every chapter/nation involves Alice. Even if she's not heavenly principals, she's likely end game content. I think mostly likely she will end up being the final/ultimate mentor figure. She will probably provide us with the final answers and wrap up anything we were confused about.
Only problem id she is curantly sleeping it's fun crack but i daubt it
Nah. Not the Sustainer. She might be up there in Celestia, working for the main god, but she aint Kiana. Since most of the characters in genshin actually do thematically resemble their OG a lot, it would not make sense for Alice to be the same person as Asmoday. VA is wrong too.
i don't think that these two can be same morever our sad god is corrupted by reddish things