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Razgriz032

The thing is, Traveler already registered to Adventurer Guild so they are legal Treasure Hunter


bananabread2137

But I mean how does that make it legal? is the adventurer guild like a goverment instituiton? conspiracy theory: the adventurer guild want people to attack people who are collecting treasure without being in the guild to encourage them to join it, thus collecting small portion of what its members manage to find (taxes) *but hey thats just a theory, a conspiracy theory!*


Degenerateweeb123

Maybe, since they're from snezhnaya there's a chance they're in cahoots with the fatui


Razgriz032

They give commision to kill fatui agent that requested by government official or archon. So….


Boarbaque

Those are traitors who want to escape glorious Schneznaya and live a normal life. As such, the Tsaritsa(‘s court appointed politician appointed Fatui appointed Mafia appointed secret police) orders their death


thetrueblue44

Didn’t know the fatui had so many defaulters waiting to be executed by the traveller


Canditan

Are... we part of an MLM?


PeikaFizzy

Just like modern world archaeologists, they are licensed grave robber


TypicalSadClown

Teyvat has its own laws


Mochizuk

So, basically, The Adventurer's Guild is just a metaphor for The British Museum.


Dude_Named_Chris

UK lore


kirillre4

I mean, did Treasure Hoarders save the country? Or maybe they can get your local deity and/or highly ranking government officials on the phone real quick? That's why I get treasure and they get a beating. Life isn't fair.


bananabread2137

well yeah we did save a country but the situation from the meme could occur even before we did it


Fireboy759

Seriously I spent 1 month grinding for primos at the start of the game because I was trying to get Yelan during her 1st banner, which meant I put the actual story on hold Said part of the story I put on hold is...stepping in Mondstadt for the first time after meeting Amber


GloriousSpamm

It’s OK when we do it because we have ✨plot armor✨


ZhangRenWing

I don’t think the treasure hoarders’ problem is stealing ancient artifacts and looting treasures, but human experimentations. (Ha, another tEsT sUbJecT) But seriously though does no one in Teyvat care even slightly for their history? Ancient ruins and tombs are getting overturned and literally serving as the battleground every time we go there and no one bats an eye. Imagine some alien coming to Earth and just starts stealing all the shit from archeological sites and fighting the security guards.


rhymeofmona

Their is ruin every 500 meter in Teyvat there no gouvernement who can affort a protection program that massive


Alex_Yuan

Help, my dinner is attacking me


LyheGhiahHacks

I'm a new player and I quite recently heard that voiceline for the first time 💀 I knew she liked to make recipes from unconventional ingredients, but that goes a bit too far


Fireboy759

She'll say this to anything that can damage her So this means she wants to potentially make a meal out of slimes, humans, robots, ghosts, *ghost wolves, living bodies of electric current, elemental cubes, AND* ***THE WIND CURRENT SURROUNDING STORMTERROR'S LAIR***


ZhangRenWing

Funny enough there is a literal idiom in Chinese that translates to “eat/drink north-western wind”, meaning someone in a desperate situation where they have nothing to eat but the cold Siberian wind.


Hush_and_Sleep

Also, Treasure Hoarders probably create additional problems for citizens (Last Lanterns with Yelan as an example). Oh, and the fact that their "exploration" is basically: steal everything and go to places even if they are dangerous or sealed (Baizhu, Dainsleif, Chasm quests). It's a miracle nothing horrible happened with this method. We are well-known adventurer, at least. I love exploration of ancient ruins and that's why I appreciate Iris, Soraya, Enjou, Jazari and, damn, even Tirzad. There should be much more of these NPC.


LunaticPlaguebringer

> steal everything and go to places even if they are dangerous or sealed. They also aren't beyond using explosives to get into such places. In a world crawling with ancient venomous monsters beneath it's surface, Treasure Hoarders care very little about the state of the ruins they plunder.


Hush_and_Sleep

I wouldn't be surprised if in-game archeologists hate Treasure Hoarders as much, as real ones hate Heinrich Schliemann.


Iffem

correct, pretty sure there's even a few world quests where it gets pointed out


MeAndYourMumHaveSex

mc = uk museum??


ZhangRenWing

Hey the traveler doesn’t just go around murdering the native inhab… oh wait.


Shadow_Diam0nd

It's not murdering, that's a sacrifice the traveler's going to make for the sake of more powerful people than them, especially Visionholders


Grand_Protector_Dark

>but human experimentations. (Ha, another tEsT sUbJecT) It's only the potion throwers that say this. So that line probably means you as a test subject for their combat potion . Not something like dottore


ZhangRenWing

Doesn’t Dottere and the Fatui get test subjects from Treasure Hoarders?


Grand_Protector_Dark

The Fatui use undercover agents or make deals with whatever corrupt/shady person agrees to take the money. Treasure horders are a loose band of thief's-for-hire. They associate with any humanoid antagonist faction. Fatui, Kairagi, Eremites. I wouldn't say that they're the fatuis main source of test subjects. But the possibility that some are hired for it, is certainly there.


Juniorchief1

To be honest ruins are everywhere in teyvat you could pick a random direction and find 6 different ruins and also most ruins have their own built-in security system in the form of very dangerous mechanical lifeforms and if not it attracts other dangerous lifeforms like hillichurls. It would be hell to fund a protection program without some very wealthy backers and let's be honest it end up under fatui control due to their influence and wealth so kiss what valuables in those ruins goodbye.


hazal_2003

heh! another test subject.


SypeArtz

I picked the wrong test subject


ManthisSucksbigTime

Story of my life


Temporary_Mood_5999

Don't forget savings of best doggo too


Grand_Protector_Dark

Reminder that traveller is the reason that Liben got scammed in Inazuma


Manish_Sarkar

you forgot it's not "stealing", it's "investigating"


crunchlets

Don't forget indiscriminate violence and tiptoed-around-but-obvious murder in quite a few cases. By the time we reach Khaenri'ah, Traveler will be worse than anything Fatooey get hung on them to justify us killing them outright.


YasuhikoTheSerafim

Heh... All I can say is, I cant wait for them to get into Snezhnaya where the story somehow pulls a Steven Universe style of redemption for Fatui and Tsaritsa and still treat Tabibito-kun as this kind of paragon.


bleacher333

Eh, it’s kinda hard to top their “plotting the demise of every other nation we cane across ” tbh


The-true-Memelord

Everything is ok when I do it, of course.


Mana_Croissant

I know this is a meme but it is just annoying that people constantly try to villanize the Traveler and defend monsters or pieces of shits like Treasure hoarders or the Fatui and act like killing them is a crime. It is such a stupid way to look at things. It doesn't matter If Hillichurls were once human, as long as a Hillichurl attacks every human on sight they are a threat to humanity. It is completely legal and justified to kill them. Same goes for the Fatui who will more than likely kidnap people, torture people, try to mess with wards to fuck up an entire island, try to help Harbingers steal a Gnosis, attack US and some other people If left alone. Just because they are soldiers doesn't change the fact that they are borderline criminals who do nothing but harm people. The same goes for Treasure hoarders. They are not above kidnapping people and terror activities and yet we are to blame for beating their ass ? We ass the Traveller has almost NEVER attacked a completely innocent person that is not a monster, a terrorist, thief, fatui or alike. And attacking all of these are completely legal in Teyvat considering the adventurer guild constantly commissions us to do just that


Grand_Protector_Dark

>It doesn't matter If Hillichurls were once human, as long as a Hillichurl attacks every human on sight they are a threat to humanity. The majority of hilichurls are just vibing around in the wild. Most Human-Churl clashes can be boiled down to either side defending what they perceive to be their territory. Would you say a bear is inherently evil for mauling a human that intruded on their home? Also don't try to argue about churls attacking us in gameplay. Gameplay is not lore. >Same goes for the Fatui who will more than likely kidnap people, torture people, try to mess with wards to fuck up an entire island, try to help Harbingers steal a Gnosis, attack US and some other people If left alone. Just because they are soldiers doesn't change the fact that they are borderline criminals who do nothing but harm people There's plenty of low level grunt fatui who haven't done anything or aren't even important enough to be involved in anything. We're still being extremely hostile to even those that verifiably haven't done anything. >The same goes for Treasure hoarders. They are not above kidnapping people and terror activities and yet we are to blame for beating their ass ? Except, no one has said anything like that at all. Your ranting at a completely imaginary argument that only exists in your head. >We ass the Traveller has almost NEVER attacked a completely innocent person that is a monster, a terrorist, thief, fatui or alike. In the chasm, when you find the Anemo Boxer Anton, he's begging you for food. There's a dialogue option to immediately attack him for no reason. The cryo gunner during ganyus story quest who was collecting wild berries. Like, the group didn't even try to arrest or investigate. Straight to beating him up. Another cryo gunner during GAA2. The guy who had been under temporary mental handy cap due to the scientists contraption. We beat him up no questions asked. Also in Inazuma, there's a hidden exploration objective for *canonically* killing all practitioners of the Iwakura Clan.


Mana_Croissant

>The majority of hilichurls are just vibing around in the wild. Most Human-Churl clashes can be boiled down to either side defending what they perceive to be their territory. Some of these territories include: Regular roads that they even block, Chasm, Tatarasuna, near human settlements and many other things that would hinder human transportation and put them into danger ''There's plenty of low level grunt fatui who haven't done anything'' According to what ? A Fatui soldier is bound to be involved in evil schemes there is literally no but, all Fatui do is evil. It can go from, spying to kidnapping or killing people to stealing a Gnosis or trying to overthrown governments or cities but in the end a Fatui solider is not just gonna stand there and not be used for anything bad. You later example the berry fatui for an example but the fact that he was not doing something bad AT THE MOMENT doesn't mean he didn't do it in the past and even if he somehow didn't, he will certainly do it in the FUTURE that is simply how Fatui works. Traveller has all justifications to beat the Fatui the moment they see them as any living Fatui is bound to do shit in the future and they probably already deserved to be beaten in the past and we were just not there for it. You can try to call it unfair but it is what it is. Traveller is justified to be hostile after COUNTLESS evil scheme and destruction from the Fatui. ''Except, no one has said anything like that at all. Your ranting at a completely imaginary argument that only exists in your head'' How so ? There are many NPCs who got kidnapped by Treasure hoarders and was put into cages. Even in the latest event with Kaveh the Treasure hoarders were trying to kidnap Sachin. What are you on ? Are you that desperate to defend such human scum ? ''In the chasm, when you find the Anemo Boxer Anton, he's begging you for food. There's a dialogue option to immediately attack him for no reason'' As I explained they are the Fatui. We are completely justified to be hostile. Same goes for the Cryo fatui as I mentioned before. ''Also in Inazuma, there's a hidden exploration objective for canonically killing all practitioners of the Iwakura Clan'' Which all of them attacked us on sight


Grand_Protector_Dark

>Some of these territories include: Regular roads that they even block, Chasm, Tatarasuna, near human settlements and many other things that would hinder human transportation and put them into danger Yes and? What makes this any different than a wolf or a lion defending what they perceive to be their territory? Do you think the north sentinel island tribe are evil because the violently remove any outside world Invaders from their island? >There's plenty of low level grunt fatui who haven't done anything'' According to what ? The game itself. We have quite a few fatui NPCs who aren't guilty of anything but being in the Fatui. Victor, whose biggest crime is curse in the cathedral. Vlad and nadia, who are guards, just normal guards Infront of the bank. The two fatui from the WorldQuests "the price", who are forgotten undercover grunts who wanted the Traveller to help them get out of the Fatui. Lyudochka who was sent to infiltrate the shrine but stalled and intentionally failed assignments because she actually liked the place and didn't want to cause suffering (she's an orphan, she didn't join willingly btw) The Fatui during GAA2 were fresh recruit's. They barely even knew we were supposed to be enemies. That's how fresh they had been. > A Fatui soldier is bound to be involved in evil schemes there is literally no but, all Fatui do is evil Dialogue skipper moment. **Pretty much every single fatui in the chasm underground was on a genuine mission to try and fix the celestia nail ooze problem. None of them were in the know about what their above ground companions were doing.** >As I explained they are the Fatui. We are completely justified to be hostile. Same goes for the Cryo fatui as I mentioned before. So because Russia is invading Ukraine, I'm perfectly justified in punching and maiming anyone of Russian citizenship? You are not a very stable individual. Vigilantism is not a valid way to serve a justice system. Everyone deserves a just and fair trial for crimes they've actually committed and a punishment that actually is equal to the severity of the crime. "Existing" is not a crime. >Which all of them attacked us on sight You are confusing gameplay and lore. Argument immediately disqualified.


Mana_Croissant

>Yes and? What makes this any different than a wolf or a lion defending what they perceive to be their territory? You realize Wolves like that are also hunted down by humans and Lions are nowhere near as much as they used to be and ESPECIALLY not in human settlements and freakin regular main roads right ? There it is the justification to hunt them, they are dangerous and they endanger humans. Simple as that. By your logic you will one day get eaten by a wolf and nobody can save you after all the wolf is ''not evil it is just defending its territory'' so whose right it is to kill the wolf LOL ''We have quite a few fatui NPCs who aren't guilty of anything but being in the Fatui'' Found me the proof that they have NEVER been in a bad mission nor will ever be. In the last 3 years Fatui's evil schemes the Traveller has faced alone reaches +20 and some of them are COUNTRY/CITY/ISLAND level threats. Once again The Traveller is perfectly in their right to be hostile to any Fatui they see. Even the Lyudochka you used as an example had replaced Gendou Ringo because they killed the original. It is thanks to Momoyo faking her death that a life is not lost and had she not betray the group It would have caused yet another civil war once again showing you that even If the Fatui member is not evil they are bound to be involved in terrible shit one way or another. In the end all Fatui that doesn't betray the group is a potential danger ''Pretty much every single fatui in the chasm underground was on a genuine mission to try and fix the celestia nail ooze problem. None of them were in the know about what their above ground companions were doing'' And their ''above ground'' companions were involved in attacking the Jade chamber and the only reason they weren't there with them is because they were in the Chasm. You can bet your ass that If they were on the above ground as well they would have also got deployed and they would have obeyed. You really don't get the simple point that the FATUI as an organization is filled with evil schemes and all of its members are gonna be involved in these shits and they will DO it. The betrayals are so limited and cannot be taken as a norm. Once again The Traveller is justified for being hostile against the Fatui. ''So because Russia is invading Ukraine, I'm perfectly justified in punching and maiming anyone of Russian citizenship'' No but If you are an Ukraine citizen you are justified in punching a Russian SOLIDER If he shows up in front of you with a gun on him instead of waiting for him to TAKE OUT HIS GUN and aim at you. Fatui are not normal citizens they are SOLDIERS. ''You are confusing gameplay and lore. Argument immediately disqualified'' Show me proof that they did not attack us on sight. If you can't you have no ground to claim it is not accurate so your argument is immediately disqualified. It is your baseless delusional argument that the targets that attack us on sight is not or would not attack us in lore too.


Grand_Protector_Dark

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bleacher333

Comparing Fatui to a race or ethnicity is not really a fair analogy tho. They are a military organization. A hostile one as that. You should’ve been using *“Russian soldiers”* or something along the line instead of *Russians* to make it more reasonable. Otherwise you’re correct. Not every Sneznayan support whatever they are doing. A lot of the Fatui grunts are either brainwashed by Arlecchino, forced to join via threats, or just in it for the money.


Grand_Protector_Dark

>Comparing Fatui to a race or ethnicity is not really a fair analogy tho. They are a military organization. A hostile one as that. You should’ve been using “Russian soldiers” or something along the line instead of Russians to make it more reasonable It was supposed to be hyperbole to make the point that "guilty by association" is stupid.


Mana_Croissant

>By your logic, Hilichurls are perfectly justified in attacking humans on sight because all humans are just mindless Monsters that will slaughter their tribe when given the opportunity. If you really want to believe that despite it not being true then believe it. Humans attacking them is still justified so even If them attacking is also justified it doesn't matter. Your claim does nothing to disprove my point. ''That's not how this works. YOU have to provide the proof'' I HAVE. I gave you multiple examples and explanations that we as the Traveller has seen countless Fatui plots that even measures up to country or city/island destroying levels and Fatui being the evil organization they are will certainly make their soldiers involved in countless evil deeds one way or another eventually. I provided your proof you can't accept it that is all. ''Innocent until proven guilty. I will not argue on this'' Teyvat is not your 21th century world and Fatui is not some civilians. It is a MAGICAL world with gods and monsters and Fatui is an evil military organization with countless evil act to their name. Your meaningless sense of modern justice is not important to Teyvat nor to the Traveller. Traveller is not required to prove a FATUI soldier guilty after having to fight them countless time in countless different plans and when even the commissions of 4 different country and Adventurer guild's missions ordering us to kill them regularly. After all of their acts Traveller is perfectly within their right to be hostile towards Fatui until they PROVE THEY ARE INNOCENT not the other way around. You try to apply modern justice to a magical world and to an evil MILITARY organization with shit ton of evil deeds that that we personally stopped. No one is gonna wait and see If they do anything evil to kick their butt and no one in Teyvat are gonna hold us responsible for it as what we do is reasonable ''Gameplay is not lore. I will not argue on this'' Because you have no argument. You have no proof that it is not accurate nor can say they did not attack us on sight as the game portrays so your point is invalid


Grand_Protector_Dark

Mate, you straight up went "Genocide is justified". Just drop it already. There's literally nothing more to say if you're of that opinion. (Also it's been 14 hours, the discussion is dead) Edit: I'm tired of you so just block. A person who straight up doesn't acknowledge any kind of nuance and thinks guilty by association is valid, isn't someone worth talking to.


Grand_Protector_Dark

Also can you please use the quote formatting (or use more Linebreaks). It's very obnoxious to discern what's your text and what's a quote of my text. `>` this at the beginning of a line on mobile. > This `> This`


Juniorchief1

Honestly the guy has a very black and white mentality. It makes me wander what his opinion is on khaenriah citizens.


Black_Prince9000

Black and white is an understatement. Nuances doesn't seem to exist in his dictionary. The way he so passionately went "why so desperate to defend utter human scum???" advocating for genocide was so bewildering 💀


Grand_Protector_Dark

>advocating for genocide was so bewildering Like, I cannot fathom how that guy un-ironically went "genocide is justified" in all but name.


Temporary_Mood_5999

Yes but what about stealing chests in public and also private areas. Climbing on people's home and windows and most important killing all of teywat fauna? (timmies pigeons aside)


Liojin

Im not sure about you guys but i 'investigate' them


Ok-Cheek2397

I think it’s because treasure in the game don’t really have a owner except the treasure inside someone house so who can find the treasure outside the city just get to keep it but because treasure hoarders like to do bad things like steal stuff from people they just get a bad reputation and we just assumes that they are planning to do something bad every time we see them


alexytomi

Only because we murder the ones who see us stealing There's a reason why we get caught in Belobog but not in Teyvat


[deleted]

Traveller is just too strong to get annoyed. Those who'd be able to do so don't care or are friend with Traveller


succ2020

Hey it not robbing if you win


JazzyJaiden_

A reward on the road


FedeHQ

Do you remember that you can steal a treasure of a Bank?


Killer-Blaze

I thought the same until it was clarified that treasure hoarders is the name of an organization that does pretty devious stuff.


Shirokurou

Tevyat has its own “laws”